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Now the third thing I want to talk about is Hacker News.
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Now this is basically a really simple forum that's hosted by YCombinator.
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And the thing that you realize about and the thing that you realize Hacker News is that it's incredibly
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technical.
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So the audience are people who work within tech and are not afraid of tech.
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And what this means is that usually the things that do well on Hacker News are things that are a little bit more
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technical than say for example Product Hunt or Beta list. But they do have the section which is called
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show Hacker News. And this is showing what you've made or what you've created what you've coded up etc.
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and the lure essentially is that if you do get to the front page of Hacker News i.e./news, if you
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get up to the top over here, the top 10 even, there is a huge amount of traffic to be had.
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And it is a huge audience to piggyback off.
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But the problem with Hacker News is that you thought that trying to launch on Product Hunt with all of
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the rules I mentioned was hard,
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Hacker News is even harder.
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The algorithm is incredibly-- the algorithm is incredibly geared
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again it's like the sort of vote cartels.
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So you have to really think very hard about how you're going to appear on there.
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For example when you submit something new, you need quite a few of upvotes within the first hour to even
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appear anywhere.
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So basically if you don't get any of votes within the first hour you're essentially dead in the water.
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But the other thing is that you can't get your upvotes from the same IP address because you can't get
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everybody in your office to upvote your product.
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So you're going to need people who are either geographically or VPNed and with different IP addresses to
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upvote you. Additionally like the timing really matters.
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Additionally the timing matters as well as how many comments you get matters.
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So what I would say is that the algorithm is really difficult to game.
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But if you do submit something and you get a couple of friends from you know across the world to upvote
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within the first hour of the submission, then you have a decent chance of getting organic traction.
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And if at that point then it still doesn't pick up because nobody is interested, then
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not a lot else can help you.
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But if it does gain traction and managed to stick up here, then again it's a massive load to traffic
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and you can pretty much just sit back and watch your downloads grow.