1 00:00:05,048 --> 00:00:06,397 Previously on "The Rookie"... 2 00:00:06,441 --> 00:00:07,964 That's Aaron Thorsen. 3 00:00:08,008 --> 00:00:09,661 Rich kid. TikTok famous 4 00:00:09,705 --> 00:00:12,882 before he got arrested for murdering his roommate in Paris. 5 00:00:12,925 --> 00:00:16,016 I was locked in a cell for 541 days. 6 00:00:16,059 --> 00:00:18,409 The person who murdered Patrick, he's still out there, 7 00:00:18,453 --> 00:00:20,237 and no one is looking for him 8 00:00:20,281 --> 00:00:21,673 because they still think that I did it. 9 00:00:21,717 --> 00:00:23,675 I don't want to be a part of this reality TV show. 10 00:00:23,719 --> 00:00:25,721 Sweetie, it's only gonna help you. 11 00:00:25,764 --> 00:00:28,376 I'm Morris Mackey. I'm the reality TV producer here. 12 00:00:28,419 --> 00:00:30,552 I just want to say, this has been so fascinating. 13 00:00:30,595 --> 00:00:33,250 I love true crime, and to be in a documentary, 14 00:00:33,294 --> 00:00:34,817 it's just -- it's a dream come true. 15 00:00:34,860 --> 00:00:35,818 Thank you. Thank you. 16 00:00:35,861 --> 00:00:39,082 ♪ 17 00:00:39,126 --> 00:00:40,779 Nolan: Do I just...? 18 00:00:41,824 --> 00:00:43,217 You're back. 19 00:00:43,260 --> 00:00:44,261 Interviewer: Another crazy story -- 20 00:00:44,305 --> 00:00:47,090 - how could I stay away? - Thank you. 21 00:00:47,134 --> 00:00:48,700 - You good to go? - Um, yeah. 22 00:00:48,744 --> 00:00:50,180 Where should I, uh -- where should I start? 23 00:00:50,224 --> 00:00:52,574 Why don't you, uh, tell me about Aaron Thorsen? 24 00:00:52,617 --> 00:00:55,403 Well, Aaron came to the F.T.O. program 25 00:00:55,446 --> 00:00:57,361 with the deck stacked against him. 26 00:00:57,405 --> 00:01:00,408 He had to sue the LAPD even to get into the Academy. 27 00:01:00,451 --> 00:01:02,410 I mean, you have to respect just how hard he fought 28 00:01:02,453 --> 00:01:04,238 just to be here. 29 00:01:04,281 --> 00:01:08,198 Uh, but what happened in Paris never left him, 30 00:01:08,242 --> 00:01:10,287 no matter how hard he tried to move on. 31 00:01:10,331 --> 00:01:12,072 People would argue that doing a reality show 32 00:01:12,115 --> 00:01:14,161 is the opposite of moving on. 33 00:01:14,204 --> 00:01:15,988 Well, those people haven't experienced 34 00:01:16,032 --> 00:01:17,903 what it's like to be infamous. 35 00:01:17,947 --> 00:01:21,385 I mean, Aaron was desperate to reset the way the world saw him. 36 00:01:21,429 --> 00:01:22,865 And it all blew up in his face. 37 00:01:22,908 --> 00:01:25,389 Yeah. Yeah, it really did. 38 00:01:25,433 --> 00:01:27,826 ♪ 39 00:01:27,870 --> 00:01:29,915 [ Gunshots ] 40 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:32,570 [ People shouting ] 41 00:01:32,614 --> 00:01:33,702 [ Glass shatters ] 42 00:01:33,745 --> 00:01:35,878 [ Indistinct shouting ] 43 00:01:35,921 --> 00:01:38,141 Aaron: I can't believe this is happening to me again. 44 00:01:38,185 --> 00:01:39,447 Interviewer: It's nice to see you again. 45 00:01:39,490 --> 00:01:40,578 Mm-hmm. 46 00:01:40,622 --> 00:01:42,450 And congratulations on the baby. 47 00:01:42,493 --> 00:01:43,973 Thank you. 48 00:01:44,016 --> 00:01:45,496 Did being pregnant make what you went through 49 00:01:45,540 --> 00:01:46,541 with Aaron more stressful? 50 00:01:46,584 --> 00:01:47,977 Not here to talk about me. 51 00:01:48,020 --> 00:01:49,848 Fair enough. Uh, let's talk about 52 00:01:49,892 --> 00:01:50,893 the reality show. 53 00:01:50,936 --> 00:01:53,200 Okay. It was his mom's idea. 54 00:01:53,243 --> 00:01:55,724 It was a way to rebrand his image. 55 00:01:55,767 --> 00:01:57,204 And what did you think of the title? 56 00:01:58,509 --> 00:01:59,771 No comment. 57 00:01:59,815 --> 00:02:01,251 Seriously, though. You have to have 58 00:02:01,295 --> 00:02:03,035 had an opinion --Listen, you're not gonna get me 59 00:02:03,079 --> 00:02:05,821 to say that dumbass title, so let's just move on. 60 00:02:05,864 --> 00:02:08,824 [ Up-tempo hip-hop music plays ] 61 00:02:08,867 --> 00:02:18,703 ♪ 62 00:02:18,747 --> 00:02:19,704 [ Camera shutters clicking ] 63 00:02:19,748 --> 00:02:20,705 [ Handcuffs clicking ] 64 00:02:20,749 --> 00:02:23,099 [ Cell door closing ] 65 00:02:23,143 --> 00:02:24,100 [ Siren chirps ] 66 00:02:24,144 --> 00:02:29,192 ♪ 67 00:02:29,236 --> 00:02:30,889 [ Engine revving ] 68 00:02:30,933 --> 00:02:32,369 ♪ 69 00:02:32,413 --> 00:02:34,589 Yeah, so back there is my parents' room 70 00:02:34,632 --> 00:02:35,981 and the family room. 71 00:02:36,025 --> 00:02:39,811 Um... Oh, right here, this is my favorite photo. 72 00:02:39,855 --> 00:02:41,335 I was 6. 73 00:02:41,378 --> 00:02:42,945 And you might recognize my dad. 74 00:02:42,988 --> 00:02:45,904 He was part of a '90s rap duo, Flex n' Flow. 75 00:02:45,948 --> 00:02:47,123 That's them right here. 76 00:02:47,167 --> 00:02:48,342 [ Rapping ] ♪ Party's never stoppin' 77 00:02:48,385 --> 00:02:49,473 ♪ Who the boys that make the noise? ♪ 78 00:02:49,517 --> 00:02:50,735 ♪ Flex n' Flow, yo, Flex n' Flow ♪ 79 00:02:50,779 --> 00:02:52,041 Yeah, man, when I was a kid, I used to love 80 00:02:52,084 --> 00:02:54,435 riding my tricycle up and down this hallway. 81 00:02:54,478 --> 00:02:57,046 Until he knocked over my Music Industry Achievement Award 82 00:02:57,089 --> 00:02:58,482 and broke it. 83 00:02:58,526 --> 00:03:00,397 Aaron tried to put it back together with Play-Doh, 84 00:03:00,441 --> 00:03:02,443 thinking we wouldn't notice. 85 00:03:02,486 --> 00:03:06,011 But that's my son, always trying to get away with something. 86 00:03:07,404 --> 00:03:08,753 Not anymore. 87 00:03:08,797 --> 00:03:11,756 I mean, now he's... very responsible. 88 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:13,367 ♪ 89 00:03:13,410 --> 00:03:15,586 Over here, we got my childhood bedroom. 90 00:03:15,630 --> 00:03:18,459 [ Dog barking ] 91 00:03:18,502 --> 00:03:21,026 What the hell? 92 00:03:21,070 --> 00:03:23,594 Hey, I never had this picture of Patrick. 93 00:03:23,638 --> 00:03:24,943 Did you put this here? 94 00:03:24,987 --> 00:03:26,989 Morris: We just thought it'd be a nice surprise. 95 00:03:27,032 --> 00:03:28,251 Man, Morris, what the hell did I tell you, man, 96 00:03:28,295 --> 00:03:29,774 about faking stuff like this? 97 00:03:29,818 --> 00:03:31,907 Relax. Uh, not a big deal. 98 00:03:31,950 --> 00:03:33,865 We just wanted to do it for a take. 99 00:03:33,909 --> 00:03:34,779 Yeah, man, that's not cool. 100 00:03:34,823 --> 00:03:35,824 You know what? You're right. 101 00:03:35,867 --> 00:03:37,260 My bad. 102 00:03:37,304 --> 00:03:40,045 We'll -- We'll do it again, but without the photo. 103 00:03:40,089 --> 00:03:41,351 Okay. 104 00:03:41,395 --> 00:03:43,135 Yeah, okay. 105 00:03:46,313 --> 00:03:47,966 Got that? 106 00:03:48,010 --> 00:03:50,012 Morris was white-hot from doing 107 00:03:50,055 --> 00:03:52,057 several award-winning documentaries in a row. 108 00:03:52,101 --> 00:03:54,146 The king of those "30 Under 30" lists. 109 00:03:54,190 --> 00:03:56,236 He had a real gift for earning people's trust, 110 00:03:56,279 --> 00:03:58,281 convincing them that he was on their side, 111 00:03:58,325 --> 00:04:00,849 that they have a say on the final cut. 112 00:04:00,892 --> 00:04:02,807 Then -- surprise -- they didn't. 113 00:04:02,851 --> 00:04:05,897 [ Baby cooing ] 114 00:04:05,941 --> 00:04:07,377 Hey. 115 00:04:07,421 --> 00:04:10,075 Sorry. I, uh, totally forgot this was happening today. 116 00:04:10,119 --> 00:04:11,294 We just started. 117 00:04:11,338 --> 00:04:12,643 Uh, don't forget to tell him about the, uh, 118 00:04:12,687 --> 00:04:13,688 forensics expert. 119 00:04:13,731 --> 00:04:14,950 I know. 120 00:04:14,993 --> 00:04:16,691 And the, uh -- the French prosecutor. 121 00:04:16,734 --> 00:04:17,953 I sent you that interview, right? 122 00:04:17,996 --> 00:04:19,607 He was biased against Aaron from the jump. 123 00:04:21,261 --> 00:04:23,306 I'm a decade older, 124 00:04:23,350 --> 00:04:25,221 but Aaron and I had similar upbringings -- 125 00:04:25,265 --> 00:04:27,223 rich parents, private schools. 126 00:04:27,267 --> 00:04:29,617 I'm just lucky social media didn't exist. 127 00:04:29,660 --> 00:04:31,227 Look, if I was in Aaron's generation, 128 00:04:31,271 --> 00:04:33,490 I would have just as much embarrassing footage as he did. 129 00:04:33,534 --> 00:04:36,493 Of what? You studying tort reform at 15? 130 00:04:36,537 --> 00:04:38,452 I got into trouble. 131 00:04:38,495 --> 00:04:39,931 - Uh-huh. - Okay. 132 00:04:39,975 --> 00:04:41,933 The point is, when you grow up in this world, 133 00:04:41,977 --> 00:04:44,414 you don't hear "no" a lot, which can make you a real ass-- 134 00:04:44,458 --> 00:04:46,155 can make you a very selfish person. 135 00:04:46,198 --> 00:04:47,374 ♪ Another day 136 00:04:47,417 --> 00:04:49,071 Aaron: Ooh-hoo-hoo-hoo-hoo! 137 00:04:49,114 --> 00:04:50,725 Yo, they only got, like, five pairs of these 138 00:04:50,768 --> 00:04:52,509 in the whole world, and I got a pair. 139 00:04:52,553 --> 00:04:53,771 You don't have a pair, but I do. 140 00:04:53,815 --> 00:04:55,773 What's up, what's up?! 141 00:04:55,817 --> 00:04:56,513 Hey, yo, what up, everybody? 142 00:04:56,557 --> 00:04:57,688 It's your boy, AT! 143 00:04:57,732 --> 00:04:59,473 My guy Patty P right here. 144 00:04:59,516 --> 00:05:02,824 We got a pool party tonight. Everybody come through. 145 00:05:02,867 --> 00:05:04,434 Got the matching, you know? 146 00:05:04,478 --> 00:05:05,870 - Got the matching. - And the shoes. 147 00:05:05,914 --> 00:05:07,481 Hey. Have fun. 148 00:05:07,524 --> 00:05:09,091 - You know what it is. - Hey! Whoa! 149 00:05:09,134 --> 00:05:10,614 [ Laughs ] You know the vibes. 150 00:05:10,658 --> 00:05:11,615 You know the vibes! 151 00:05:11,659 --> 00:05:14,618 [ Cheering, laughter ] 152 00:05:14,662 --> 00:05:16,664 ♪ 153 00:05:16,707 --> 00:05:19,014 $30,000 a bottle, 154 00:05:19,057 --> 00:05:20,494 and he didn't drink a sip. 155 00:05:20,537 --> 00:05:22,887 That boy lost his mind. 156 00:05:22,931 --> 00:05:24,585 I had to get him out of his comfort zone. 157 00:05:24,628 --> 00:05:26,848 I mean, I-I thought, you know, a semester abroad 158 00:05:26,891 --> 00:05:28,371 would've helped him mature, 159 00:05:28,415 --> 00:05:30,721 so I sent him to Paris. 160 00:05:30,765 --> 00:05:35,335 ♪ 161 00:05:35,378 --> 00:05:36,640 [ Clears throat ] 162 00:05:36,684 --> 00:05:38,642 I was on scholarship. 163 00:05:38,686 --> 00:05:40,035 University of Michigan. 164 00:05:40,078 --> 00:05:41,732 Go Wolverines. [ Chuckles ] 165 00:05:41,776 --> 00:05:43,647 I don't know why I said that. Can I please start over? 166 00:05:43,691 --> 00:05:46,128 Interviewer: [ Laughs ] You're doing fine. 167 00:05:46,171 --> 00:05:47,999 Uh, when did you first meet Aaron and Patrick? 168 00:05:48,043 --> 00:05:50,393 The program held a mixer when we first arrived. 169 00:05:50,437 --> 00:05:52,526 It was mostly just a bunch of awkward college students 170 00:05:52,569 --> 00:05:54,310 butchering French, 171 00:05:54,354 --> 00:05:56,834 but Aaron and Patrick were from this whole other world. 172 00:05:56,878 --> 00:05:59,010 First impressions? [ Chuckles ] 173 00:05:59,054 --> 00:06:03,188 I mean, honestly, they seemed like entitled douchebags. 174 00:06:03,232 --> 00:06:04,364 But then I got to know them. 175 00:06:04,407 --> 00:06:06,278 You know, it was like another planet -- 176 00:06:06,322 --> 00:06:07,671 Planet Rich. [ Chuckles ] 177 00:06:07,715 --> 00:06:09,151 Patrick was the funniest. 178 00:06:09,194 --> 00:06:11,283 All that stuff you saw on Instagram, 179 00:06:11,327 --> 00:06:12,807 no, that's not who they were. 180 00:06:12,850 --> 00:06:14,852 Yeah, I mean, we went from the Two Musketeers to Four, 181 00:06:14,896 --> 00:06:16,158 you know, just like that. 182 00:06:16,201 --> 00:06:18,160 Me, Patrick, Rowan, and Everest, 183 00:06:18,203 --> 00:06:22,033 we were, uh, inseparable. 184 00:06:22,077 --> 00:06:24,296 And uh... 185 00:06:24,340 --> 00:06:26,473 Man, that feels like so long ago. 186 00:06:26,516 --> 00:06:27,648 Are you nervous about the reunion? 187 00:06:27,691 --> 00:06:28,866 A little. 188 00:06:28,910 --> 00:06:31,129 Or a lot. 189 00:06:31,173 --> 00:06:34,742 Yeah, I mean, um, I haven't seen them since the trial. 190 00:06:34,785 --> 00:06:37,527 And they all went home, graduated from college, 191 00:06:37,571 --> 00:06:39,660 got jobs, and... 192 00:06:39,703 --> 00:06:41,096 I went to prison. 193 00:06:41,139 --> 00:06:42,402 Do they believe in your innocence? 194 00:06:42,445 --> 00:06:44,229 Yeah, 100%. 195 00:06:44,273 --> 00:06:45,361 They've both said that. 196 00:06:45,405 --> 00:06:46,623 You know, there can be a big difference 197 00:06:46,667 --> 00:06:49,278 between what people say and what they believe. 198 00:06:49,321 --> 00:06:52,716 ♪ 199 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:53,978 Sorry. Let's -- Hold on. 200 00:06:54,022 --> 00:06:56,285 Let me reset that. 201 00:06:56,328 --> 00:07:02,683 Sorry. [ Breathes deeply ] 202 00:07:06,034 --> 00:07:08,297 Ro, Ro, good to see you, man! 203 00:07:08,340 --> 00:07:09,298 Yeah, you too, man. 204 00:07:09,341 --> 00:07:10,560 Yeah. You look so different. 205 00:07:10,604 --> 00:07:12,083 Yeah, I'm a little older. 206 00:07:12,127 --> 00:07:14,172 No, it's not that. I don't know. 207 00:07:14,216 --> 00:07:15,565 You're like a different guy. 208 00:07:15,609 --> 00:07:17,480 Something like that.[ Chuckles ] 209 00:07:17,524 --> 00:07:18,916 I think I'm gonna cry. Hey. 210 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:20,440 No, no, no crying. You're gonna mess up my makeup. 211 00:07:20,483 --> 00:07:21,658 Oh! 212 00:07:21,702 --> 00:07:23,486 Oh, I'm sorry I didn't come sooner. 213 00:07:23,530 --> 00:07:24,835 No, d-- don't worry about it, really. 214 00:07:24,879 --> 00:07:27,447 I'm just glad to see you guys. 215 00:07:27,490 --> 00:07:29,187 Alright, so let's, uh, get inside. 216 00:07:29,231 --> 00:07:31,451 I got food, drinks... 217 00:07:31,494 --> 00:07:34,018 cameras, and, uh... 218 00:07:34,062 --> 00:07:35,846 I'm sorry. This is so weird. 219 00:07:35,890 --> 00:07:37,326 Hey, it's fine. We're just happy to see you, bro. 220 00:07:38,458 --> 00:07:39,589 Yeah, me too. Yeah. 221 00:07:39,633 --> 00:07:41,243 Yeah. Alright.[ Camera chirps ] 222 00:07:41,286 --> 00:07:42,374 Connor: Guys, I got to swap out my battery. 223 00:07:42,418 --> 00:07:43,854 Give me a second? 224 00:07:43,898 --> 00:07:45,508 Aaron: Okay. 225 00:07:53,342 --> 00:07:54,561 What the hell? 226 00:07:54,604 --> 00:08:04,309 [ Dramatic music plays ] 227 00:08:04,353 --> 00:08:05,876 Holy --[ Video cuts ] 228 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:07,530 Morris Mackey's throat had been cut. 229 00:08:07,574 --> 00:08:08,923 By the time his body was found, 230 00:08:08,966 --> 00:08:10,968 he'd been dead approximately four hours. 231 00:08:11,012 --> 00:08:12,796 Interviewer: And who were your initial suspects? 232 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:14,319 Everyone who stepped foot in the house that day. 233 00:08:14,363 --> 00:08:15,320 Including Aaron. 234 00:08:15,364 --> 00:08:16,931 Everyone. 235 00:08:16,974 --> 00:08:19,629 - Interviewer: Good morning. - Good morning. 236 00:08:19,673 --> 00:08:20,412 It's nice to see you again. 237 00:08:20,456 --> 00:08:22,153 Nice to see you! 238 00:08:22,197 --> 00:08:23,154 I heard you were happy with how 239 00:08:23,198 --> 00:08:24,373 the last documentary came out. 240 00:08:24,416 --> 00:08:27,028 Oh, my God. It was so good, and -- and -- 241 00:08:27,071 --> 00:08:29,596 [ Laughs ] And I got so many compliments. 242 00:08:29,639 --> 00:08:32,729 Oh, that's great. How about you? 243 00:08:32,773 --> 00:08:34,557 Didn't see it. Can we get started? 244 00:08:34,601 --> 00:08:36,211 Uh, yeah. 245 00:08:36,254 --> 00:08:38,474 So, tell me what happened when you arrived at the scene. 246 00:08:38,518 --> 00:08:39,562 We were the first responders. 247 00:08:39,606 --> 00:08:42,391 [ Siren wails ] 248 00:08:46,787 --> 00:08:47,962 Lucy: Whoa. 249 00:08:48,005 --> 00:08:48,963 Okay. 250 00:08:49,006 --> 00:08:51,182 It was a...frenetic day. 251 00:08:51,226 --> 00:08:55,578 So many people -- so -- so many personalities. 252 00:08:55,622 --> 00:08:58,015 But when you're talking a star-studded crime scene 253 00:08:58,059 --> 00:09:01,410 with a witness list comprised mostly of influencers, 254 00:09:01,453 --> 00:09:03,107 I guess that's no surprise. 255 00:09:03,151 --> 00:09:04,631 Alright, look, even with all those cameras 256 00:09:04,674 --> 00:09:07,111 and phones rolling in the house, none of them caught anything 257 00:09:07,155 --> 00:09:08,809 even remotely helpful to our investigation. 258 00:09:08,852 --> 00:09:10,332 Yeah. Luck? 259 00:09:10,375 --> 00:09:12,987 It just wasn't in our cards that day. 260 00:09:14,554 --> 00:09:15,555 What? Why are you so happy? 261 00:09:15,598 --> 00:09:18,035 I am being colorful. 262 00:09:18,079 --> 00:09:19,123 They will use more of our coverage 263 00:09:19,167 --> 00:09:20,560 if we give them evocative sound bites. 264 00:09:20,603 --> 00:09:21,952 I'm right, right? 265 00:09:21,996 --> 00:09:23,867 Can we get back to the murder? 266 00:09:23,911 --> 00:09:26,174 I followed protocols. You know, I -- I called it in, 267 00:09:26,217 --> 00:09:27,915 cleared the house, did everything right. 268 00:09:27,958 --> 00:09:29,264 - Lucy: Mm-hmm. - You believe me, right? 269 00:09:29,307 --> 00:09:30,744 O-Of course. 270 00:09:30,787 --> 00:09:32,484 I mean, but we have to follow protocol, too. 271 00:09:32,528 --> 00:09:34,225 It's gonna be okay. 272 00:09:34,269 --> 00:09:35,879 I can't believe this is happening to me again. 273 00:09:35,923 --> 00:09:37,054 I know. 274 00:09:37,098 --> 00:09:38,316 [ Breathing raggedly ] 275 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:41,145 A-Are you okay? 276 00:09:41,189 --> 00:09:42,930 I think I'm having, like, a panic attack. 277 00:09:42,973 --> 00:09:44,584 Oh, okay. Uh, just sit down, 278 00:09:44,627 --> 00:09:45,715 and I'm gonna grab you some water, okay? 279 00:09:45,759 --> 00:09:46,977 I'll be right back. 280 00:09:47,021 --> 00:09:48,675 Show's over. Time to go. 281 00:09:48,718 --> 00:09:51,416 What? Uh, no, no, no. No, it's not. 282 00:09:51,460 --> 00:09:53,462 This is my house, my production. 283 00:09:53,505 --> 00:09:54,463 The show goes on. 284 00:09:54,506 --> 00:09:55,638 Connor, keep filming. 285 00:09:55,682 --> 00:09:56,683 Yeah, that's not how this works. 286 00:09:56,726 --> 00:09:57,814 This is my crime scene. 287 00:09:57,858 --> 00:10:00,425 Shut it off now. 288 00:10:00,469 --> 00:10:01,601 Shut it off! 289 00:10:01,644 --> 00:10:03,820 [ Camera beeps ] 290 00:10:03,864 --> 00:10:05,039 There was nothing we could do. 291 00:10:05,082 --> 00:10:06,214 Tim: Well, thanks for coming out. 292 00:10:06,257 --> 00:10:07,519 Yeah. 293 00:10:07,563 --> 00:10:09,870 Our paramedic crew was short-staffed, 294 00:10:09,913 --> 00:10:13,264 and since we're all EMT-trained, I was subbing in. 295 00:10:13,308 --> 00:10:14,309 Interviewer: Oh, I don't understand. 296 00:10:14,352 --> 00:10:15,527 Why were you called in at all? 297 00:10:15,571 --> 00:10:17,181 He was clearly dead, right? 298 00:10:17,225 --> 00:10:19,575 You have no idea how many people I see look that way 299 00:10:19,619 --> 00:10:21,185 and then spring back to life. 300 00:10:21,229 --> 00:10:22,796 Oh. Interesting. 301 00:10:22,839 --> 00:10:24,101 And what did you think at the time? 302 00:10:24,145 --> 00:10:25,668 Did it seem to you like Aaron did it? 303 00:10:25,712 --> 00:10:28,410 Of course not. He would never do anything like that. 304 00:10:28,453 --> 00:10:30,586 Really? And you're confident saying that -- 305 00:10:30,630 --> 00:10:33,197 considering your ex-husband? 306 00:10:33,241 --> 00:10:36,679 Wow. Okay. 307 00:10:36,723 --> 00:10:38,289 Ah, clearly, you come prepared. 308 00:10:38,333 --> 00:10:43,207 Yeah, um, I -- I married a sociopath once. 309 00:10:43,251 --> 00:10:46,297 So maybe I'm not the best judge of character. 310 00:10:46,341 --> 00:10:47,647 It's not about being a good judge of character. 311 00:10:47,690 --> 00:10:49,126 We judge by the facts. 312 00:10:49,170 --> 00:10:50,693 Interviewer: And what did the facts say? 313 00:10:50,737 --> 00:10:52,652 At first? 314 00:10:52,695 --> 00:10:53,914 Not much. 315 00:10:56,003 --> 00:10:57,744 How long you been here filming today? 316 00:10:57,787 --> 00:10:59,441 About three or four hours. 317 00:10:59,484 --> 00:11:00,616 After rehearsal this morning, 318 00:11:00,660 --> 00:11:02,009 they had Everest and me in the kitchen, 319 00:11:02,052 --> 00:11:03,532 getting our hair and makeup done 320 00:11:03,575 --> 00:11:05,012 while they filmed other stuff. 321 00:11:05,055 --> 00:11:06,491 Lucy: So you were in the kitchen the whole time? 322 00:11:06,535 --> 00:11:10,234 Uh, well, I did sneak off to crafty once or... 323 00:11:10,278 --> 00:11:11,714 four times. I heard they had ice cream, 324 00:11:11,758 --> 00:11:12,976 and I've been dieting like crazy 325 00:11:13,020 --> 00:11:14,238 'cause I was gonna be on television, 326 00:11:14,282 --> 00:11:15,762 and I heard the camera adds like 10 pounds. 327 00:11:15,805 --> 00:11:17,328 Is that true? 328 00:11:17,372 --> 00:11:18,982 Tim: So when was the last time you saw Morris? 329 00:11:19,026 --> 00:11:20,810 Honestly, I ain't seen him all day. 330 00:11:20,854 --> 00:11:22,116 I was dealing with work stuff 331 00:11:22,159 --> 00:11:23,900 right up until we started filming. 332 00:11:23,944 --> 00:11:25,946 Lucy: And where were you when Morris's body was found? 333 00:11:25,989 --> 00:11:27,904 In my office. 334 00:11:27,948 --> 00:11:29,079 And how would you characterize 335 00:11:29,123 --> 00:11:31,342 Aaron's relationship with Morris? 336 00:11:31,386 --> 00:11:33,040 [ Sighs ] 337 00:11:34,345 --> 00:11:35,956 It's important you tell the truth. 338 00:11:38,175 --> 00:11:40,525 They didn't always agree about the direction of the show. 339 00:11:40,569 --> 00:11:42,310 But my son, he would never hurt anyone. 340 00:11:49,665 --> 00:11:52,450 Hey, do we really have to do this in here? 341 00:11:52,494 --> 00:11:53,713 Yes, we do, son. 342 00:11:55,802 --> 00:11:58,718 Per government code 3300 and per Lybarger, 343 00:11:58,761 --> 00:12:01,198 I am required to advise that you do not have 344 00:12:01,242 --> 00:12:02,852 the right to remain silent. 345 00:12:02,896 --> 00:12:05,550 Anything you say can and will be used against you. 346 00:12:05,594 --> 00:12:08,379 Refusal to fully and completely answer 347 00:12:08,423 --> 00:12:11,078 all of Detective Lopez's questions 348 00:12:11,121 --> 00:12:14,516 will result in immediate termination. 349 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:17,693 Do you understand? 350 00:12:17,737 --> 00:12:18,781 Yes, sir. 351 00:12:18,825 --> 00:12:20,087 And I'm here to protect you 352 00:12:20,130 --> 00:12:21,828 as your union representative. 353 00:12:21,871 --> 00:12:23,612 This is your choice. 354 00:12:23,655 --> 00:12:25,570 But like Sergeant Grey said, 355 00:12:25,614 --> 00:12:27,790 if you choose not to cooperate, you will lose your job. 356 00:12:27,834 --> 00:12:28,965 Of course I'll cooperate. 357 00:12:31,272 --> 00:12:32,229 Good man. 358 00:12:34,492 --> 00:12:35,711 Alright. 359 00:12:35,755 --> 00:12:36,799 I'll leave you to it. 360 00:12:38,583 --> 00:12:40,672 [ Sighs ] 361 00:12:40,716 --> 00:12:41,848 I didn't kill Morris. 362 00:12:41,891 --> 00:12:42,936 [ Door closes ] 363 00:12:46,113 --> 00:12:49,986 When I saw him lying there, like Patrick... 364 00:12:50,030 --> 00:12:51,379 Lopez: I understand. 365 00:12:51,422 --> 00:12:53,120 But it was common knowledge that you and Morris 366 00:12:53,163 --> 00:12:54,730 weren't on the best of terms. 367 00:12:54,774 --> 00:12:58,125 Who are you with? TMZ? 368 00:12:58,168 --> 00:12:59,735 You still feeding off my grief, - you vultures?! - Come on, guys. 369 00:12:59,779 --> 00:13:00,736 Morris, - what are you doing, man? - Get 'em out of here, man! 370 00:13:00,780 --> 00:13:02,738 Get out of here now! Go! 371 00:13:02,782 --> 00:13:04,827 Yeah, what he did to Patrick's dad 372 00:13:04,871 --> 00:13:08,570 was callous and exploitative, 373 00:13:08,613 --> 00:13:10,398 but I wouldn't kill him for it. 374 00:13:10,441 --> 00:13:11,834 Harper: Yeah, that was bad. 375 00:13:11,878 --> 00:13:15,359 Aaron pulled over Patrick's dad in a routine car stop. 376 00:13:15,403 --> 00:13:17,884 It was a total random reunion, 377 00:13:17,927 --> 00:13:21,322 but Morris and his cameraman were there filming, 378 00:13:21,365 --> 00:13:23,672 and that just made everything worse. 379 00:13:23,715 --> 00:13:27,067 Dexter Hayes, he was a -- a grieving father, you know? 380 00:13:27,110 --> 00:13:31,027 And he -- he took a swing at Officer Thorsen, 381 00:13:31,071 --> 00:13:32,159 so we had to book him, 382 00:13:32,202 --> 00:13:35,205 but we let him go as soon as we could. 383 00:13:35,249 --> 00:13:37,599 And, you know, I thought that would be the end of it. 384 00:13:37,642 --> 00:13:38,861 Interviewer: But you suspected that Patrick's dad 385 00:13:38,905 --> 00:13:41,081 - could have killed Morris? - We did. 386 00:13:41,124 --> 00:13:44,084 He was furious about "Every Rose Has A --" 387 00:13:44,127 --> 00:13:46,347 about the reality show. 388 00:13:46,390 --> 00:13:49,916 And after years of the press feeding off of his grief, 389 00:13:49,959 --> 00:13:52,832 yeah, it was believable that he could've snapped. 390 00:13:52,875 --> 00:13:54,964 This is absurd. You do know that? 391 00:13:55,008 --> 00:13:55,878 Tim: Alright, sir, can you tell me where you were 392 00:13:55,922 --> 00:13:57,314 yesterday afternoon? 393 00:13:57,358 --> 00:13:59,882 I was in the office, morning to midnight. 394 00:13:59,926 --> 00:14:01,884 Ask any one of my employees. 395 00:14:01,928 --> 00:14:03,625 I didn't do this. 396 00:14:03,668 --> 00:14:05,627 Any idea who did? 397 00:14:05,670 --> 00:14:08,717 I can tell you that whoever killed that man, 398 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:11,851 his last name is Thorsen. 399 00:14:11,894 --> 00:14:14,679 I blame myself for ever letting them into Patrick's life. 400 00:14:14,723 --> 00:14:16,029 They're a sick family. 401 00:14:16,072 --> 00:14:18,466 And Aaron is not the only killer among them. 402 00:14:18,509 --> 00:14:19,771 Interviewer: What did he mean by that? 403 00:14:19,815 --> 00:14:20,990 You know what he meant by that. 404 00:14:21,034 --> 00:14:23,384 And we knew from the reality show 405 00:14:23,427 --> 00:14:25,908 that Morris gave Aaron's father a clear motive. 406 00:14:25,952 --> 00:14:28,563 And that's what I was thinking for the opening theme. 407 00:14:28,606 --> 00:14:29,520 Yeah? Yeah. 408 00:14:29,564 --> 00:14:30,260 I like it. 409 00:14:30,304 --> 00:14:31,827 You do? 410 00:14:31,871 --> 00:14:33,437 Almost as much as I like you. 411 00:14:33,481 --> 00:14:34,961 Mm. 412 00:14:35,004 --> 00:14:36,919 You're so sweet.[ Door opens ] 413 00:14:36,963 --> 00:14:38,399 Oh. 414 00:14:38,442 --> 00:14:39,530 Lincoln: Hey! 415 00:14:39,574 --> 00:14:41,663 You hooking up with my wife, man?! 416 00:14:41,706 --> 00:14:42,925 Linc, it's not what you think. 417 00:14:42,969 --> 00:14:45,449 Boy, you better get the hell up out of here! 418 00:14:45,493 --> 00:14:46,668 [ Bottle shatters ] 419 00:14:48,191 --> 00:14:49,845 What the hell was that?! 420 00:14:49,889 --> 00:14:51,978 Are you seriously doing this to me again?! 421 00:14:52,021 --> 00:14:53,457 In my own house! 422 00:14:53,501 --> 00:14:54,894 Interview: There's footage of Lincoln catching 423 00:14:54,937 --> 00:14:56,765 Morris and Yvonne in an intimate moment. 424 00:14:56,808 --> 00:14:58,941 That had to factor into your investigation. 425 00:14:58,985 --> 00:15:01,248 Jealousy is a primal motive. 426 00:15:01,291 --> 00:15:02,640 And some believe that Lincoln had killed 427 00:15:02,684 --> 00:15:04,164 for jealousy once before. 428 00:15:04,207 --> 00:15:06,470 He was a suspect in a 20-year-old murder, wasn't he? 429 00:15:06,514 --> 00:15:07,471 Yes, he was. 430 00:15:07,515 --> 00:15:08,733 [ Camera shutter clicks ] 431 00:15:09,082 --> 00:15:09,821 [ Gunshots ] 432 00:15:13,869 --> 00:15:17,003 Interviewer: What can you tell me about your father's hip-hop duo, Flex n' Flow? 433 00:15:17,046 --> 00:15:17,960 I mean, I was, like, a baby, you know, 434 00:15:18,004 --> 00:15:19,527 when they were at their height. 435 00:15:19,570 --> 00:15:22,399 And, uh, that was the year "Make Da Noise" went platinum. 436 00:15:22,443 --> 00:15:23,400 Interviewer: Flex n' Flow had one of the most 437 00:15:23,444 --> 00:15:24,967 iconic singles of the late '90s. 438 00:15:25,011 --> 00:15:26,360 Oh, my God. "Make Da Noise"? 439 00:15:26,403 --> 00:15:29,450 That's like one of my go-to karaoke jams. 440 00:15:29,493 --> 00:15:31,017 [ Rapping ] ♪ My crib, it's all a-poppin' ♪ 441 00:15:31,060 --> 00:15:32,192 ♪ The party's never stoppin' ♪ 442 00:15:32,235 --> 00:15:33,367 ♪ Who da boyz that make da noise? ♪ 443 00:15:33,410 --> 00:15:35,543 ♪ Flex 'n Flow, yo, Flex n' Flow ♪ 444 00:15:35,586 --> 00:15:36,544 Can I be interviewed alone? 445 00:15:36,587 --> 00:15:38,633 [ Record scratching ] 446 00:15:38,676 --> 00:15:39,982 Yeah, we comin' for you. 447 00:15:40,026 --> 00:15:41,027 [ Rapping ] ♪ My crib, it's all a-poppin' ♪ 448 00:15:41,070 --> 00:15:42,376 ♪ This party's never stoppin' ♪ 449 00:15:42,419 --> 00:15:43,551 ♪ We're the boyz who make da noise ♪ 450 00:15:43,594 --> 00:15:44,900 ♪ Flex n' Flow, yo, Flex n' Flow ♪ 451 00:15:44,944 --> 00:15:46,336 ♪ My crib, it's all a-poppin' ♪ 452 00:15:46,380 --> 00:15:47,772 ♪ This party's never stoppin' ♪ 453 00:15:47,816 --> 00:15:48,948 ♪ We're the boyz who make da noise ♪ 454 00:15:48,991 --> 00:15:50,123 ♪ Flex n' Flow, yo, Flex n' Flow ♪ 455 00:15:50,166 --> 00:15:51,254 ♪ Flex n' Flow 456 00:15:51,298 --> 00:15:58,914 ♪ 457 00:15:58,958 --> 00:16:00,481 [ Chuckles ] 458 00:16:00,524 --> 00:16:02,613 Oh, yes, that's me. 459 00:16:02,657 --> 00:16:05,094 I was a Flow Girl. 460 00:16:05,138 --> 00:16:06,922 [ Chuckles ] Wait. What? 461 00:16:06,966 --> 00:16:09,794 There was a scout who saw me cheering in high school, 462 00:16:09,838 --> 00:16:11,492 and he asked me to audition. 463 00:16:11,535 --> 00:16:13,842 At first, I thought he was just trying to get in my pants. 464 00:16:13,885 --> 00:16:19,108 But it turned out to be legit, and it was for Flex n' Flow. 465 00:16:19,152 --> 00:16:21,154 I was the biggest fan. 466 00:16:21,197 --> 00:16:22,459 Interviewer: What are you wearing, by the way? 467 00:16:22,503 --> 00:16:25,810 Oh, I teach capoeira on Thursdays and Sundays. 468 00:16:25,854 --> 00:16:26,986 Oh. 469 00:16:27,029 --> 00:16:28,726 Did you ever see Flex n' Flow argue 470 00:16:28,770 --> 00:16:29,640 while you were working with them? 471 00:16:29,684 --> 00:16:32,339 Mm, I mean...well, sure, 472 00:16:32,382 --> 00:16:34,167 but nothing serious. 473 00:16:34,210 --> 00:16:36,082 They were like brothers, and brothers fight. 474 00:16:36,125 --> 00:16:37,518 What do you say to the people who are convinced 475 00:16:37,561 --> 00:16:39,389 that your husband killed his late partner? 476 00:16:39,433 --> 00:16:42,392 Oh, honey, this alleged "feud" between Linc and Calvin 477 00:16:42,436 --> 00:16:45,265 has gotten blown way out of proportion over the years. 478 00:16:45,308 --> 00:16:47,223 But what about the night of Calvin's murder? 479 00:16:47,267 --> 00:16:49,399 The infamous pre-release party for "2 Hype Homies"? 480 00:16:49,443 --> 00:16:52,054 Did the party get a little wild? Sure. 481 00:16:52,098 --> 00:16:54,274 Did the police come and break it up? Mm-hmm. 482 00:16:54,317 --> 00:16:57,059 And did Linc and Calvin argue? You bet. 483 00:16:57,103 --> 00:16:59,105 But they were just passionate people. 484 00:16:59,148 --> 00:17:02,238 And nobody ever threatened nobody. 485 00:17:02,282 --> 00:17:05,589 Yeah, they, uh -- they threatened each other. 486 00:17:05,633 --> 00:17:06,764 I was there. 487 00:17:06,808 --> 00:17:08,418 I was a rookie officer then. 488 00:17:08,462 --> 00:17:11,204 And my T.O. and I had got a 415 call 489 00:17:11,247 --> 00:17:13,684 for an out-of-control party. 490 00:17:13,728 --> 00:17:17,558 It was a record release event for Flex n' Flow. 491 00:17:17,601 --> 00:17:20,082 But anyway, as we were breaking things up, 492 00:17:20,126 --> 00:17:22,432 I saw Flex n' Flow in each other's faces. 493 00:17:22,476 --> 00:17:24,086 Interviewer: Could you hear what they were fighting about? 494 00:17:24,130 --> 00:17:27,307 No. Um, as I approached, their limousine was pulling up. 495 00:17:27,350 --> 00:17:29,178 But Flex -- um -- 496 00:17:29,222 --> 00:17:31,833 um, I'm sorry, Lincoln -- was still very hot. 497 00:17:31,876 --> 00:17:36,533 He refused to get into the limo with Flow, and, um... 498 00:17:36,577 --> 00:17:39,014 Yeah, he said that he'd rather walk 499 00:17:39,058 --> 00:17:41,277 than to deal with Flow's nonsense. 500 00:17:41,321 --> 00:17:42,539 Um... 501 00:17:42,583 --> 00:17:44,541 It was a good thing, too. 502 00:17:44,585 --> 00:17:46,804 Anchor: A devastating loss for the music industry today, 503 00:17:46,848 --> 00:17:50,808 as Calvin Yard, one half of the popular duo Flex n' Flow, 504 00:17:50,852 --> 00:17:53,159 was gunned down in Los Angeles last night 505 00:17:53,202 --> 00:17:55,683 after leaving his record launch party. 506 00:17:55,726 --> 00:17:57,598 It couldn't have been more than five minutes later 507 00:17:57,641 --> 00:18:00,122 that we got a shots-fired call. 508 00:18:00,166 --> 00:18:04,561 As Flow's limo was making the turn on La Cienega, 509 00:18:04,605 --> 00:18:07,956 a car pulled alongside it and unloaded 20 rounds 510 00:18:07,999 --> 00:18:09,436 at the rear of the vehicle. 511 00:18:09,479 --> 00:18:10,872 [ Gunshots ] 512 00:18:10,915 --> 00:18:13,440 Um, Flow was shot seven times. 513 00:18:14,919 --> 00:18:17,183 Yeah. 514 00:18:17,226 --> 00:18:19,402 That was my first homicide. 515 00:18:19,446 --> 00:18:20,925 I'll never forget it. 516 00:18:20,969 --> 00:18:22,840 It changes you. 517 00:18:22,884 --> 00:18:27,149 I did not have anything to do with Calvin's death. 518 00:18:27,193 --> 00:18:28,629 Interviewer: But at the time of his murder, all the talk was -- 519 00:18:28,672 --> 00:18:29,934 That was garbage, man. 520 00:18:29,978 --> 00:18:31,153 All garbage. 521 00:18:31,197 --> 00:18:32,328 I loved Calvin like a brother. 522 00:18:32,372 --> 00:18:34,330 You know, this -- 523 00:18:34,374 --> 00:18:35,897 this is straight-up exploitive. 524 00:18:35,940 --> 00:18:38,856 Calvin's murder was solved decades ago, and you know it. 525 00:18:38,900 --> 00:18:42,295 A man named Gary Brown was convicted of Flow's murder. 526 00:18:42,338 --> 00:18:44,775 It turns out Flow was sleeping with Gary's wife. 527 00:18:44,819 --> 00:18:48,257 So as far as the LAPD was concerned, case closed. 528 00:18:48,301 --> 00:18:50,651 Yeah, but the aura of guilt haunted Lincoln's reputation 529 00:18:50,694 --> 00:18:52,783 like a dark shroud. 530 00:18:52,827 --> 00:18:53,915 I'm sorry. 531 00:18:53,958 --> 00:18:56,265 That was really good. 532 00:18:56,309 --> 00:18:58,180 Thanks. 533 00:18:58,224 --> 00:19:00,095 And with Lincoln alibi'd out, you know, 534 00:19:00,139 --> 00:19:02,358 the investigation focused on Yvonne. 535 00:19:02,402 --> 00:19:04,447 Mrs. Thorsen, how long had you been having an affair 536 00:19:04,491 --> 00:19:05,361 with Morris Mackey? 537 00:19:05,405 --> 00:19:06,797 [ Scoffs ] Please. 538 00:19:06,841 --> 00:19:08,451 I was not sleeping with him. 539 00:19:08,495 --> 00:19:11,019 But the footage -- from "Every Rose Has A Thorsen" -- 540 00:19:11,062 --> 00:19:13,587 - we saw it. - That was for the show. 541 00:19:13,630 --> 00:19:15,371 What, are you saying you staged it? 542 00:19:15,415 --> 00:19:18,635 It's a reality show. Of course we staged it. 543 00:19:18,679 --> 00:19:20,681 I can prove it. I have the rest of the footage. 544 00:19:20,724 --> 00:19:22,900 Boy, you better get the hell up out of here! 545 00:19:22,944 --> 00:19:23,814 [ Bottle shatters ] 546 00:19:25,686 --> 00:19:27,122 What the hell was that?! 547 00:19:27,166 --> 00:19:29,472 Are you seriously doing this to me again?! 548 00:19:29,516 --> 00:19:30,473 In my own house! 549 00:19:30,517 --> 00:19:32,823 You got some nerve! 550 00:19:32,867 --> 00:19:34,651 L-Let's talk about all the women you slept with 551 00:19:34,695 --> 00:19:36,436 when you were F-Flex? 552 00:19:36,479 --> 00:19:38,438 Morris: Cut! 553 00:19:38,481 --> 00:19:40,440 Cut, cut, cut, cut. 554 00:19:40,483 --> 00:19:43,791 Linc, buddy, you're going off-script. 555 00:19:43,834 --> 00:19:44,966 "I can't believe you're seriously 556 00:19:45,009 --> 00:19:46,272 doing this to me again"? 557 00:19:46,315 --> 00:19:47,882 That's not the line. 558 00:19:47,925 --> 00:19:49,318 Yeah, man, I was improv'ing a little. 559 00:19:49,362 --> 00:19:51,190 Yeah, maybe not do that, okay? 560 00:19:51,233 --> 00:19:52,843 It's a lot more powerful if this is the first time 561 00:19:52,887 --> 00:19:54,236 Yvonne has stepped out on you. 562 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:56,238 Okay. So, Morris, how did I do? 563 00:19:56,282 --> 00:19:57,892 It was a bit big. 564 00:19:57,935 --> 00:19:59,807 Yeah, maybe, uh, dial it back a hair. 565 00:19:59,850 --> 00:20:01,025 Let's go again. 566 00:20:01,069 --> 00:20:02,636 Man: Back to one. 567 00:20:02,679 --> 00:20:03,898 Go. 568 00:20:03,941 --> 00:20:04,986 We're making a show, people. 569 00:20:05,029 --> 00:20:06,857 [ Clears throat ] 570 00:20:06,901 --> 00:20:09,556 None of that was in the footage you turned over to us. 571 00:20:09,599 --> 00:20:11,210 Oops. My bad. 572 00:20:11,253 --> 00:20:13,516 We want everything -- now -- 573 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:15,518 or you'll be arrested for obstruction. 574 00:20:15,562 --> 00:20:17,999 Ooh, that was good. 575 00:20:18,042 --> 00:20:20,001 Do you think I can get a copy of that? 576 00:20:20,044 --> 00:20:22,003 That will play really well in the show. 577 00:20:22,046 --> 00:20:23,700 Mrs. Thorsen, this is serious. 578 00:20:23,744 --> 00:20:25,528 Morris Mackey was murdered in your house. 579 00:20:25,572 --> 00:20:27,095 Your son is still a suspect. 580 00:20:27,138 --> 00:20:29,140 Just like the police to only focus 581 00:20:29,184 --> 00:20:31,273 on what's in front of their nose. 582 00:20:31,317 --> 00:20:33,928 Morris Mackey didn't just appear out of thin air 583 00:20:33,971 --> 00:20:35,408 when he started working for me. 584 00:20:35,451 --> 00:20:37,975 Honey, the man had enemies. 585 00:20:38,019 --> 00:20:43,154 [ Crowd chanting "We are Q! We are Q!" ] 586 00:20:43,198 --> 00:20:44,634 They're the crazy ones! 587 00:20:44,678 --> 00:20:46,157 We're the sane ones! 588 00:20:46,201 --> 00:20:48,290 You're the cult! You're sheep! 589 00:20:48,334 --> 00:20:50,423 Prior to working with the Thorsen family, 590 00:20:50,466 --> 00:20:53,948 Morris had been hired by a bunch of QAnon conspiracy theorists. 591 00:20:53,991 --> 00:20:55,950 Apparently, they didn't like the negative publicity 592 00:20:55,993 --> 00:20:57,212 they were getting, 593 00:20:57,256 --> 00:20:59,258 and they wanted to show their side. 594 00:20:59,301 --> 00:21:00,476 Try to control the narrative. 595 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:01,738 - Mm. - Interviewer: So what happened? 596 00:21:01,782 --> 00:21:03,697 Morris was allowed into the inner sanctum. 597 00:21:03,740 --> 00:21:06,439 Conducted dozens of interviews with founders and followers. 598 00:21:06,482 --> 00:21:08,484 But he didn't make a propaganda film, 599 00:21:08,528 --> 00:21:09,790 he told the truth. 600 00:21:09,833 --> 00:21:11,052 [ Modulated voice ] We're in a war. 601 00:21:11,095 --> 00:21:12,793 Every one of us is prepared to start killing 602 00:21:12,836 --> 00:21:13,968 for our freedom. 603 00:21:14,011 --> 00:21:15,143 Morris may have won an Emmy, 604 00:21:15,186 --> 00:21:16,797 but he also pissed off a lot of unhinged 605 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:18,538 and hyper-violent people. 606 00:21:18,581 --> 00:21:20,148 The storm is coming. 607 00:21:20,191 --> 00:21:20,801 There will be retribution. 608 00:21:25,066 --> 00:21:28,504 Interviewer: I've heard rumors that you have insight into the QAnon angle on this case. 609 00:21:28,548 --> 00:21:30,637 Have you ever tried to put toothpaste back in the tube? 610 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:32,726 Look, I know it's an expression, 611 00:21:32,769 --> 00:21:35,206 but have you actually tried to do it? 612 00:21:35,250 --> 00:21:36,773 I have. 613 00:21:36,817 --> 00:21:38,601 It's basically impossible. 614 00:21:38,645 --> 00:21:40,342 And what do you think Q is trying to tell people 615 00:21:40,386 --> 00:21:43,084 with his Q-Drops, these cryptic messages? 616 00:21:43,127 --> 00:21:44,651 I really wasn't trying to say anything. 617 00:21:44,694 --> 00:21:47,610 I was just typing, and maybe I got a little carried away. 618 00:21:47,654 --> 00:21:49,177 Wait. What did you say? 619 00:21:50,657 --> 00:21:54,008 Well, I guess now is as good a time as any to reveal it. 620 00:21:56,402 --> 00:21:58,099 I'm Q. 621 00:21:58,142 --> 00:21:59,448 Smitty is Q? 622 00:21:59,492 --> 00:22:00,449 I'm sorry. What? 623 00:22:00,493 --> 00:22:02,059 - Lord, give me strength. - What? 624 00:22:02,103 --> 00:22:04,627 A lot of writers use pseudonyms. 625 00:22:04,671 --> 00:22:07,326 Q is my first initial, so... 626 00:22:07,369 --> 00:22:08,762 Hey, is my name down there? 627 00:22:10,938 --> 00:22:11,982 But it was an accident? 628 00:22:12,026 --> 00:22:14,376 He -- He didn't start it on purpose? 629 00:22:14,420 --> 00:22:15,508 Interviewer: That's what he said. 630 00:22:15,551 --> 00:22:16,987 Yeah, sounds like Smitty. 631 00:22:17,031 --> 00:22:19,120 I was trying to start the fan-fiction club 632 00:22:19,163 --> 00:22:21,731 for "This Is Us," and things just got out of hand. 633 00:22:21,775 --> 00:22:23,342 Interviewer: What the hell does "This is Us" fanfic 634 00:22:23,385 --> 00:22:24,691 have to do with a cult? 635 00:22:24,734 --> 00:22:27,824 I mistakenly mixed cough syrup with diet pills 636 00:22:27,868 --> 00:22:30,479 when I was writing this satanic, alien story line 637 00:22:30,523 --> 00:22:32,612 for Jack and Rebecca. 638 00:22:32,655 --> 00:22:35,397 I woke up the next morning and read it -- 639 00:22:35,441 --> 00:22:36,746 none of it made sense. 640 00:22:36,790 --> 00:22:39,053 But, overnight, I'd gotten so many followers, 641 00:22:39,096 --> 00:22:40,359 I just went with it. 642 00:22:40,402 --> 00:22:42,839 You can't put the toothpaste back in the tube. 643 00:22:44,450 --> 00:22:48,149 Morris had received threats from hundreds of QAnon followers, 644 00:22:48,192 --> 00:22:50,630 but when we started investigating them, 645 00:22:50,673 --> 00:22:52,675 one immediately stood out. 646 00:22:52,719 --> 00:22:53,981 Interviewer: Tell me about Connor Hart. 647 00:22:54,024 --> 00:22:55,461 What about him got your attention? 648 00:22:55,504 --> 00:22:58,159 Well, he was working as a cameraman on the reality show, 649 00:22:58,202 --> 00:23:00,422 so -- that. 650 00:23:00,466 --> 00:23:01,554 [ Door opens ] 651 00:23:01,597 --> 00:23:04,121 Tim: Connor, thanks for coming down. 652 00:23:04,165 --> 00:23:05,514 I'm not in trouble, am I? 653 00:23:05,558 --> 00:23:08,604 No. We just need to clear a few things up. 654 00:23:08,648 --> 00:23:10,998 I told you everything I know. 655 00:23:11,041 --> 00:23:14,131 I was getting a battery, and he was just lying there. 656 00:23:14,175 --> 00:23:15,655 I'm not sure if you're aware, 657 00:23:15,698 --> 00:23:18,179 but it's common to run background checks on witnesses. 658 00:23:18,222 --> 00:23:19,920 And when we looked into you, we discovered 659 00:23:19,963 --> 00:23:21,182 that you're a member of QAnon. 660 00:23:21,225 --> 00:23:22,836 No, no, no, I -- 661 00:23:22,879 --> 00:23:24,838 I may have gone to a political rally or two, 662 00:23:24,881 --> 00:23:26,230 but I'm really not into that. 663 00:23:26,274 --> 00:23:27,971 I swear. 664 00:23:28,015 --> 00:23:29,625 [ Manipulated voice ] We're in a war. 665 00:23:29,669 --> 00:23:32,498 Every one of us is prepared to start killing for our freedom. 666 00:23:32,541 --> 00:23:34,064 The storm is coming. 667 00:23:34,108 --> 00:23:35,501 There will be retribution. 668 00:23:35,544 --> 00:23:36,763 [ Video fast-forwarding ] 669 00:23:41,071 --> 00:23:43,639 So, clearly, you are a follower of Q. 670 00:23:43,683 --> 00:23:44,858 Why would you work for Morris? 671 00:23:44,901 --> 00:23:46,468 Honestly? 672 00:23:46,512 --> 00:23:47,904 I realized Morris was the best thing 673 00:23:47,948 --> 00:23:49,645 that could have happened to the movement. 674 00:23:49,689 --> 00:23:50,864 That makes no sense. 675 00:23:50,907 --> 00:23:52,692 But it does. 676 00:23:52,735 --> 00:23:55,477 Morris's documentary exposed who was a true believer. 677 00:23:55,521 --> 00:23:57,784 And who wasn't. 678 00:23:57,827 --> 00:24:00,047 He never admitted it, 679 00:24:00,090 --> 00:24:03,137 but I think Morris was working for Q. 680 00:24:03,180 --> 00:24:05,008 That's why I followed him to the next gig. 681 00:24:05,052 --> 00:24:07,184 Do you still consider yourself a believer of Q? 682 00:24:07,228 --> 00:24:10,318 Well, some stuff didn't come true. 683 00:24:10,361 --> 00:24:12,451 The London bombing, the Pope's arrest, 684 00:24:12,494 --> 00:24:13,843 Zuckerberg still has a job. 685 00:24:13,887 --> 00:24:15,584 January 20th came and went, 686 00:24:15,628 --> 00:24:17,717 March 4th came and went. 687 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:20,502 I'm starting to think Kennedy is still dead. 688 00:24:20,546 --> 00:24:21,634 Both of them. 689 00:24:21,677 --> 00:24:22,939 Mm. 690 00:24:22,983 --> 00:24:25,942 So you don't believe in Q anymore? 691 00:24:25,986 --> 00:24:27,683 Oh, I believe every word. 692 00:24:27,727 --> 00:24:29,206 Connor was, um -- 693 00:24:29,250 --> 00:24:31,078 Deranged? 694 00:24:31,121 --> 00:24:33,515 Let's say... reality-challenged, 695 00:24:33,559 --> 00:24:35,299 which doesn't make him a killer. 696 00:24:35,343 --> 00:24:38,085 No. And the fact that he had a camera on his shoulder 697 00:24:38,128 --> 00:24:39,956 for the entire murder window 698 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:41,958 means that he couldn't have killed Morris, 699 00:24:42,002 --> 00:24:44,091 so we were back to square one. 700 00:24:44,134 --> 00:24:45,919 Interviewer: When the QAnon lead didn't pan out, 701 00:24:45,962 --> 00:24:47,747 how did you pick up the pieces of the case? 702 00:24:47,790 --> 00:24:50,489 We rolled up our sleeves and put in the hours. 703 00:24:50,532 --> 00:24:52,012 We took on the painstaking process 704 00:24:52,055 --> 00:24:54,754 of reviewing every piece of video Morris shot 705 00:24:54,797 --> 00:24:56,233 in the weeks before he died, 706 00:24:56,277 --> 00:25:00,237 including the footage Yvonne "forgot" to give us. 707 00:25:00,281 --> 00:25:02,065 Until I found something that changed everything. 708 00:25:02,109 --> 00:25:04,590 ♪ 709 00:25:04,633 --> 00:25:06,809 Lopez! 710 00:25:06,853 --> 00:25:08,376 Come look at this! 711 00:25:08,419 --> 00:25:10,073 So I immediately informed Detective Lopez 712 00:25:10,117 --> 00:25:11,031 of what I discovered. 713 00:25:11,074 --> 00:25:11,814 Look what I just found. 714 00:25:11,858 --> 00:25:13,250 Wow. 715 00:25:13,294 --> 00:25:14,251 What? 716 00:25:14,295 --> 00:25:16,123 Look. 717 00:25:16,166 --> 00:25:17,820 Morris: Okay. 718 00:25:19,605 --> 00:25:21,041 [ Sighs ] 719 00:25:23,522 --> 00:25:26,176 I thought I knew everything about Patrick's murder. 720 00:25:26,220 --> 00:25:28,483 I had done my homework. 721 00:25:28,527 --> 00:25:32,922 But the truth was hiding right in front of me all this time. 722 00:25:32,966 --> 00:25:35,969 I know who killed Patrick Hayes. 723 00:25:36,012 --> 00:25:37,144 And I can prove it. I -- 724 00:25:37,187 --> 00:25:40,060 [ Door opens, footsteps approaching ] 725 00:25:40,103 --> 00:25:41,104 Uh, someone's here. 726 00:25:42,541 --> 00:25:43,716 More to follow. 727 00:25:43,759 --> 00:25:45,108 Nolan: That video was recorded 728 00:25:45,152 --> 00:25:47,023 minutes before Morris was murdered. 729 00:25:51,288 --> 00:25:53,726 Interviewer: I mean, Morris claiming that he knew 730 00:25:53,769 --> 00:25:54,988 who the killer was must've been energizing for you. 731 00:25:55,031 --> 00:25:55,989 Finally. A break in your roommate's murder -- 732 00:25:56,032 --> 00:25:58,339 No, he -- He wasn't my roommate. 733 00:25:58,382 --> 00:26:00,820 And I -- I hate when people call him that -- 734 00:26:00,863 --> 00:26:02,343 you know, like we found each other 735 00:26:02,386 --> 00:26:04,737 on some French Craigslist or something like that. 736 00:26:04,780 --> 00:26:06,086 Patrick was my best friend, 737 00:26:06,129 --> 00:26:07,566 from the time that we were little kids. 738 00:26:07,609 --> 00:26:08,828 I mean, I was at his house so often, 739 00:26:08,871 --> 00:26:10,656 his dad bought us two of everything, 740 00:26:10,699 --> 00:26:11,961 you know, like siblings. 741 00:26:12,005 --> 00:26:13,746 Yeah, Patrick was my brother. 742 00:26:13,789 --> 00:26:15,182 How did it feel to hear that Morris thought 743 00:26:15,225 --> 00:26:17,053 he'd discovered who killed Patrick? 744 00:26:17,097 --> 00:26:21,405 I mean, there had been so many theories over the years. 745 00:26:21,449 --> 00:26:24,147 And so many people think that they had it figured out. 746 00:26:24,191 --> 00:26:27,716 I -- I just never really got my hopes up about it. 747 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:29,500 This was different, though. I mean, he made a break 748 00:26:29,544 --> 00:26:30,850 in the case and died minutes later. 749 00:26:30,893 --> 00:26:32,765 You have to see the connection. 750 00:26:32,808 --> 00:26:37,160 Well, uh, in the words of Detective Harper -- 751 00:26:37,204 --> 00:26:40,294 We look for facts, not stories. 752 00:26:40,337 --> 00:26:41,991 Yeah, sure, but, I mean, the timing -- 753 00:26:42,035 --> 00:26:44,167 I mean, these murders had to be related. 754 00:26:44,211 --> 00:26:46,648 Whoever killed Patrick also killed Morris. 755 00:26:46,692 --> 00:26:47,910 Interviewer: Is it possible Morris found out 756 00:26:47,954 --> 00:26:49,651 that Aaron was the killer all along? 757 00:26:49,695 --> 00:26:51,174 Not a chance. The Paris police 758 00:26:51,218 --> 00:26:54,700 never had a shred of evidence against Aaron. 759 00:26:54,743 --> 00:26:56,397 They fumbled the entire case. 760 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:57,703 Right off the bat, the paparazzi 761 00:26:57,746 --> 00:26:59,487 completely contaminated the crime scene. 762 00:26:59,530 --> 00:27:01,489 [ Speaking French ] 763 00:27:01,532 --> 00:27:03,665 [ Siren wailing ] 764 00:27:03,709 --> 00:27:04,753 [ Police radio chatter ] 765 00:27:04,797 --> 00:27:06,494 [ Camera shutter clicks ] 766 00:27:06,537 --> 00:27:09,453 [ Speaking French ] 767 00:27:09,497 --> 00:27:10,716 [ Camera shutter clicks ] 768 00:27:10,759 --> 00:27:12,674 [ Speaking French ] 769 00:27:12,718 --> 00:27:14,633 [ Camera shutter clicking ] 770 00:27:16,722 --> 00:27:18,811 Interviewer: But Aaron's DNA was all over the murder weapon. 771 00:27:18,854 --> 00:27:20,421 You mean the knife the killer pulled 772 00:27:20,464 --> 00:27:22,858 from the kitchen block on Aaron and Patrick's counter? 773 00:27:22,902 --> 00:27:25,426 What -- What do you want to bet that if we went to your house, 774 00:27:25,469 --> 00:27:27,602 we'd find your DNA all over your stuff, too? 775 00:27:27,646 --> 00:27:29,909 I mean -- [ Stammers ] 776 00:27:29,952 --> 00:27:31,345 Was that too mean? 777 00:27:31,388 --> 00:27:33,956 No, that actually felt good. 778 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:35,523 It was a dumb question. 779 00:27:35,566 --> 00:27:37,046 From the beginning, the French police's case 780 00:27:37,090 --> 00:27:38,700 against Aaron seemed flawed -- 781 00:27:38,744 --> 00:27:40,702 Oh, yeah. Their case was a mess -- 782 00:27:40,746 --> 00:27:43,270 and their forensics were compromised. 783 00:27:43,313 --> 00:27:45,707 I mean, the theory that Aaron killed Patrick 784 00:27:45,751 --> 00:27:47,970 because he didn't do his share of the chores never made sense. 785 00:27:48,014 --> 00:27:50,059 For one thing, they had a housekeeper. 786 00:27:50,103 --> 00:27:51,626 For another, Aaron is not a psychopath, 787 00:27:51,670 --> 00:27:53,454 which you would have to be to stab your roommate 788 00:27:53,497 --> 00:27:55,586 for leaving dirty dishes in the sink. 789 00:27:55,630 --> 00:27:59,068 I mean, I've come close to stabbing him over dirty dishes, 790 00:27:59,112 --> 00:28:01,636 but that's different -- we're married. 791 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:02,898 Mm. 792 00:28:02,942 --> 00:28:04,204 Interviewer: What do you say to the theory 793 00:28:04,247 --> 00:28:06,249 that Aaron had a falling out with his roommate? 794 00:28:06,293 --> 00:28:08,991 Aaron and Patrick were out partying that night. 795 00:28:09,035 --> 00:28:10,689 Does that sound like a broken friendship 796 00:28:10,732 --> 00:28:12,299 careening towards murder? 797 00:28:12,342 --> 00:28:14,518 By his own admission, Aaron was taking prescription drugs. 798 00:28:14,562 --> 00:28:17,391 Yeah. For a football injury he got in high school. 799 00:28:17,434 --> 00:28:20,611 They impair your ability to operate heavy machinery, 800 00:28:20,655 --> 00:28:23,397 not -- not turn you into a hardened killer. 801 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:24,615 ♪ 802 00:28:24,659 --> 00:28:27,009 Aaron passed out early. 803 00:28:27,053 --> 00:28:28,228 Woke up in the middle of the night. 804 00:28:28,271 --> 00:28:31,753 Went to pee and found Patrick's body. 805 00:28:31,797 --> 00:28:41,023 ♪ 806 00:28:41,067 --> 00:28:43,765 The French police took one look at a young Black man, 807 00:28:43,809 --> 00:28:45,680 and decided he was the killer. 808 00:28:45,724 --> 00:28:48,161 I mean, they didn't even pursue any other suspects. 809 00:28:48,204 --> 00:28:49,858 Bonjour, I appreciate you speaking with me. 810 00:28:49,902 --> 00:28:52,252 [ Scoffs ] Your accent is terrible. 811 00:28:52,295 --> 00:28:53,644 Um, Detective, you've been accused 812 00:28:53,688 --> 00:28:55,995 of leading an incredibly biased investigation -- 813 00:28:56,038 --> 00:28:57,779 Mais non. [ Speaks French ] 814 00:28:57,823 --> 00:28:59,259 We followed the facts. 815 00:28:59,302 --> 00:29:01,217 Mm. And the fact that Patrick picked up 816 00:29:01,261 --> 00:29:02,697 a woman at the club that night? 817 00:29:02,741 --> 00:29:03,959 Collette Lavinge? 818 00:29:04,003 --> 00:29:06,614 She was seen leaving the apartment 819 00:29:06,657 --> 00:29:08,094 before the time of death. 820 00:29:08,137 --> 00:29:09,443 Understand? 821 00:29:09,486 --> 00:29:11,662 What about her jealous, controlling boyfriend? 822 00:29:11,706 --> 00:29:12,838 Did you interview him? 823 00:29:15,144 --> 00:29:17,756 - No. We did not. - Mm. 824 00:29:17,799 --> 00:29:19,235 Interviewer: But the thing that ultimately got you released 825 00:29:19,279 --> 00:29:21,934 from prison was the identification of this man. 826 00:29:21,977 --> 00:29:23,326 Aaron: Yeah. Collette's boyfriend, Julien. 827 00:29:23,370 --> 00:29:25,938 Handsome. French. 828 00:29:25,981 --> 00:29:27,678 And, you know, let's just say it -- 829 00:29:27,722 --> 00:29:29,289 he's super white. You know? 830 00:29:29,332 --> 00:29:30,899 Uh, what is -- 831 00:29:30,943 --> 00:29:33,293 What is "Finance Bro" in French? 832 00:29:33,336 --> 00:29:35,817 Shouldn't you know that? You spent years in France. 833 00:29:35,861 --> 00:29:38,080 Yeah, but I didn't -- I didn't retain it. 834 00:29:38,124 --> 00:29:41,214 It was actually a group of Internet sleuths 835 00:29:41,257 --> 00:29:42,998 who found Collette's boyfriend. 836 00:29:43,042 --> 00:29:46,349 They spent countless hours investigating Aaron's case. 837 00:29:46,393 --> 00:29:48,090 They also pointed the finger at dozens 838 00:29:48,134 --> 00:29:49,788 of innocent people, ruining their lives. 839 00:29:49,831 --> 00:29:52,834 Yes. Some members of the group took it a little too far. 840 00:29:52,878 --> 00:29:55,445 Interviewer: We've been looking at the Internet sleuths, actually. 841 00:29:55,489 --> 00:29:59,188 Any chance you post under the title "truecrimejunkie"? 842 00:30:00,233 --> 00:30:01,190 I... 843 00:30:02,888 --> 00:30:05,629 That -- That -- That doesn't s-- 844 00:30:05,673 --> 00:30:07,980 I might have logged on once -- once or twice, yeah. 845 00:30:08,023 --> 00:30:09,720 Seriously? 846 00:30:09,764 --> 00:30:11,635 I mean, can you not see how people would take that 847 00:30:11,679 --> 00:30:13,115 as a clear sign of bias? 848 00:30:13,159 --> 00:30:17,032 I categorically deny any preferential treatment, okay? 849 00:30:17,076 --> 00:30:18,294 Interviewer: How can you say that with a straight face, 850 00:30:18,338 --> 00:30:19,861 when it was revealed that Julien was the son 851 00:30:19,905 --> 00:30:21,515 of the French Finance Minister? 852 00:30:21,558 --> 00:30:23,038 Are you telling me you didn't get a phone call asking you -- 853 00:30:23,082 --> 00:30:23,822 [ Speaking French ] 854 00:30:23,865 --> 00:30:24,910 Merci beaucoup. 855 00:30:24,953 --> 00:30:26,215 C'est terminé. 856 00:30:26,259 --> 00:30:27,651 Merci. 857 00:30:27,695 --> 00:30:29,610 Oh, come on. Don't do that. Come back. 858 00:30:29,653 --> 00:30:31,220 Interviewer: So, it must've been so frustrating to learn 859 00:30:31,264 --> 00:30:33,092 that the French police knew his identity 860 00:30:33,135 --> 00:30:35,877 before your first trial and didn't say anything. 861 00:30:35,921 --> 00:30:37,313 I mean, yeah. The -- The good news 862 00:30:37,357 --> 00:30:40,621 was that the fact that they ignored Julien -- 863 00:30:40,664 --> 00:30:42,884 uh, it got me my retrial. 864 00:30:42,928 --> 00:30:47,584 But the bad news was the unidentified DNA on the knife -- 865 00:30:47,628 --> 00:30:49,021 it -- it didn't belong to Julien. 866 00:30:49,064 --> 00:30:51,240 So he -- You know, he had an alibi. 867 00:30:51,284 --> 00:30:52,720 As horrible as the experience was, 868 00:30:52,763 --> 00:30:54,678 is there anything that you actually miss from that time? 869 00:30:54,722 --> 00:30:56,202 I miss? 870 00:30:56,245 --> 00:30:57,159 God, no. 871 00:30:57,203 --> 00:30:59,335 W-- 872 00:30:59,379 --> 00:31:00,902 Well, Carlos. 873 00:31:00,946 --> 00:31:01,947 Carlos? 874 00:31:01,990 --> 00:31:02,861 [ Chuckling ] Yeah. 875 00:31:02,904 --> 00:31:05,080 Uh, Carlos the Jackal. 876 00:31:05,124 --> 00:31:06,908 He -- He was my cellmate. 877 00:31:06,952 --> 00:31:09,693 And, uh, man, pbht, he has some stories. 878 00:31:09,737 --> 00:31:11,608 So you're saying the Jackal got you through 879 00:31:11,652 --> 00:31:13,262 your year and a half of incarceration? 880 00:31:13,306 --> 00:31:14,481 No. 881 00:31:14,524 --> 00:31:15,482 My mom did. 882 00:31:15,525 --> 00:31:17,353 Yeah, I don't -- 883 00:31:17,397 --> 00:31:19,399 I don't think I would have got through it without her. 884 00:31:19,442 --> 00:31:20,791 Um... 885 00:31:20,835 --> 00:31:24,534 She actually leased an apartment in Paris 886 00:31:24,578 --> 00:31:26,014 until I was released. 887 00:31:26,058 --> 00:31:28,321 And, uh, she visited me every week. 888 00:31:28,364 --> 00:31:30,192 And I'll tell you what. If they would have let her, 889 00:31:30,236 --> 00:31:31,280 she would have been over there every day. 890 00:31:31,324 --> 00:31:32,891 Of course I moved to Paris. 891 00:31:32,934 --> 00:31:34,370 I'm his mother. 892 00:31:34,414 --> 00:31:36,938 I would have served the prison time for him if I could. 893 00:31:36,982 --> 00:31:38,113 You're a close family. 894 00:31:38,157 --> 00:31:39,114 We are. 895 00:31:39,158 --> 00:31:40,637 We've been tested. 896 00:31:40,681 --> 00:31:42,378 Were you close with Patrick? 897 00:31:42,422 --> 00:31:43,553 Yes. 898 00:31:43,597 --> 00:31:44,859 I adored him. 899 00:31:44,903 --> 00:31:46,469 He was a wonderful boy. 900 00:31:46,513 --> 00:31:47,688 According to your friends, 901 00:31:47,731 --> 00:31:48,732 you thought Patrick was a troublemaker, 902 00:31:48,776 --> 00:31:49,951 and a bad influence on Aaron. 903 00:31:49,995 --> 00:31:52,258 Anyone who said that was lying. 904 00:31:52,301 --> 00:31:55,565 Yvonne -- were you in Paris the day Patrick was murdered? 905 00:31:56,827 --> 00:31:59,656 Of course not. I was here in LA. 906 00:31:59,700 --> 00:32:01,006 How do you explain this footage, 907 00:32:01,049 --> 00:32:02,964 taken the day of Patrick's murder? 908 00:32:03,008 --> 00:32:04,444 [ Vehicles passing ] 909 00:32:04,487 --> 00:32:11,059 ♪ 910 00:32:11,103 --> 00:32:12,495 Oh, hell, no. 911 00:32:12,539 --> 00:32:13,627 This interview is over. 912 00:32:13,670 --> 00:32:15,585 Yvonne. No. No. 913 00:32:15,629 --> 00:32:17,544 We did not okay this question. 914 00:32:17,587 --> 00:32:19,372 Who do you think you are? 915 00:32:19,415 --> 00:32:20,721 Fired! 916 00:32:20,764 --> 00:32:21,635 I actually don't work for you. 917 00:32:21,678 --> 00:32:22,418 You need to kiss my ass. 918 00:32:26,248 --> 00:32:28,468 Interviewer: Did you know that your mother was in Paris 919 00:32:28,511 --> 00:32:29,164 the day that Patrick was killed? 920 00:32:29,208 --> 00:32:30,905 What? 921 00:32:30,949 --> 00:32:33,255 No, she was -- she was home in LA. 922 00:32:33,299 --> 00:32:35,127 Mm. We have footage of her shopping 923 00:32:35,170 --> 00:32:37,172 on the Champs-Elysées the night of the murder. 924 00:32:37,216 --> 00:32:39,522 Okay, well, that -- [ Chuckles ] That's impossible. 925 00:32:39,566 --> 00:32:40,697 Isn't this her? 926 00:32:42,264 --> 00:32:47,704 ♪ 927 00:32:47,748 --> 00:32:50,490 [ Breathes deeply ] 928 00:32:50,533 --> 00:32:51,578 Okay. 929 00:32:53,493 --> 00:32:55,190 Officer Thorsen, come back. 930 00:32:55,234 --> 00:32:57,584 Come on. Let's finish this interview. 931 00:32:57,627 --> 00:32:59,673 Man: [ Whispering ] Hey, there he is. 932 00:32:59,716 --> 00:33:00,935 - Aaron: You lied to me. - Jimmy, get down. 933 00:33:00,979 --> 00:33:02,415 You lied to everyone. 934 00:33:02,458 --> 00:33:04,112 I didn't want all my private business out there 935 00:33:04,156 --> 00:33:05,374 for all the world to see. 936 00:33:05,418 --> 00:33:07,072 Mom, you are literally producing 937 00:33:07,115 --> 00:33:08,464 a reality show about our lives. 938 00:33:08,508 --> 00:33:10,162 That's different. 939 00:33:10,205 --> 00:33:12,381 I was on trial for murder, fighting for my life. 940 00:33:12,425 --> 00:33:13,730 Exactly. 941 00:33:13,774 --> 00:33:16,037 The fact that I was even in Paris on that night -- 942 00:33:16,081 --> 00:33:17,299 how does that help you? 943 00:33:17,343 --> 00:33:18,431 Interviewer: And what was your reaction 944 00:33:18,474 --> 00:33:19,693 to the revelation that Aaron's mother 945 00:33:19,736 --> 00:33:21,173 was in Paris at the time of the murder? 946 00:33:21,216 --> 00:33:23,044 Like, bombshell. Game changer. 947 00:33:23,088 --> 00:33:25,438 I mean, none of this stuff came out at the time of the trial. 948 00:33:25,481 --> 00:33:26,787 [ Chuckles ] This is -- 949 00:33:26,830 --> 00:33:28,789 It's so exciting, what it means for the case -- 950 00:33:28,832 --> 00:33:31,052 Not for Aaron. His mom lied to him. 951 00:33:31,096 --> 00:33:33,620 Y-Yes, that -- Well, that is true. 952 00:33:36,536 --> 00:33:37,841 Thanks for coming back in. 953 00:33:37,885 --> 00:33:39,191 We just need to clear something up 954 00:33:39,234 --> 00:33:40,627 about the night Patrick was killed. 955 00:33:40,670 --> 00:33:43,412 Patrick? I thought this was about Morris's murder. 956 00:33:43,456 --> 00:33:45,284 Oh, it's about both. 957 00:33:45,327 --> 00:33:48,765 See, you felt Patrick was a bad influence on your son. 958 00:33:48,809 --> 00:33:50,941 So you flew Aaron to Paris to separate them. 959 00:33:50,985 --> 00:33:53,466 Only Patrick followed Aaron there, 960 00:33:53,509 --> 00:33:55,642 so you took matters into your own hands. 961 00:33:55,685 --> 00:33:57,948 You flew to Paris, you killed Patrick. 962 00:33:57,992 --> 00:33:59,863 But somehow Morris found out, 963 00:33:59,907 --> 00:34:02,475 so to keep your deadly secret, 964 00:34:02,518 --> 00:34:03,911 you killed him too. 965 00:34:05,434 --> 00:34:09,003 Yeah, that's a fun theory -- 966 00:34:09,047 --> 00:34:11,484 a good story -- but you're wrong. 967 00:34:11,527 --> 00:34:13,225 Then explain why you went to Paris 968 00:34:13,268 --> 00:34:15,183 and why you kept it a secret. 969 00:34:15,227 --> 00:34:18,360 Because I was with Jean-Pierre Darby. 970 00:34:18,404 --> 00:34:19,927 Who? The footballer? 971 00:34:19,970 --> 00:34:23,322 Yes, we met a month before, at a fashion show in Milan. 972 00:34:23,365 --> 00:34:24,671 I'm -- I'm sorry. 973 00:34:24,714 --> 00:34:27,195 You went to Paris for an international bootie call? 974 00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:28,283 Yes. 975 00:34:28,327 --> 00:34:29,937 And we were in bed all night. 976 00:34:29,980 --> 00:34:31,286 Ask him. 977 00:34:31,330 --> 00:34:33,854 Hell, ask the neighbors. 978 00:34:33,897 --> 00:34:35,986 Yvonne: They were determined to convict you. 979 00:34:36,030 --> 00:34:37,988 Had it come out that I was in town, 980 00:34:38,032 --> 00:34:39,555 they would've used it against you, 981 00:34:39,599 --> 00:34:42,341 said that we were conspiring to kill Patrick. 982 00:34:42,384 --> 00:34:45,518 Coming clean would've only hurt your case, made it worse. 983 00:34:45,561 --> 00:34:47,911 Yeah, you know what? I forgot how good you are at that. 984 00:34:47,955 --> 00:34:48,738 At what? 985 00:34:48,782 --> 00:34:50,914 At justifying yourself. 986 00:34:50,958 --> 00:34:53,830 You lied in a murder trial, you cheated on your husband, 987 00:34:53,874 --> 00:34:56,006 and now you're the hero, right? 988 00:34:56,050 --> 00:34:57,399 Yeah. Sure, Mom. 989 00:34:57,443 --> 00:34:58,531 We'll go with that. 990 00:35:02,448 --> 00:35:03,884 [ Sighs heavily ] 991 00:35:03,927 --> 00:35:05,451 Interviewer: You accused Aaron's mother of the murder. 992 00:35:05,494 --> 00:35:07,366 With almost no evidence to back it up. 993 00:35:07,409 --> 00:35:08,628 I -- I did. 994 00:35:08,671 --> 00:35:11,935 And, uh, in my defense, 995 00:35:11,979 --> 00:35:14,068 I'd been scrubbing reality show footage 996 00:35:14,112 --> 00:35:15,939 for over 200 hours at that point. 997 00:35:15,983 --> 00:35:17,550 So who broke the case? 998 00:35:17,593 --> 00:35:19,029 Oh, that was Detective Lopez. 999 00:35:19,073 --> 00:35:21,119 My wife is a badass. 1000 00:35:21,162 --> 00:35:22,685 We knew the murders were connected. 1001 00:35:22,729 --> 00:35:24,383 And we knew that Patrick's murder in Paris 1002 00:35:24,426 --> 00:35:25,732 was never properly investigated. 1003 00:35:25,775 --> 00:35:28,169 So I dug back into that case. 1004 00:35:28,213 --> 00:35:30,302 Right now I'm just trying to build a timeline, 1005 00:35:30,345 --> 00:35:32,913 getting to know more about Patrick's life. 1006 00:35:32,956 --> 00:35:35,089 What did the four of you do that last month? 1007 00:35:35,133 --> 00:35:36,395 No detail is too small. 1008 00:35:36,438 --> 00:35:38,484 Um... 1009 00:35:38,527 --> 00:35:41,182 Let's ask my brain. 1010 00:35:41,226 --> 00:35:43,271 I can tell you one thing that we definitely didn't do. 1011 00:35:43,315 --> 00:35:44,751 Go to class. 1012 00:35:44,794 --> 00:35:46,796 I mean, Aaron's parents let him borrow their private jet 1013 00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:48,885 anytime he wanted, so we went all around Europe. 1014 00:35:48,929 --> 00:35:51,410 I mean, Italy. 1015 00:35:51,453 --> 00:35:52,411 Greece. 1016 00:35:52,454 --> 00:35:53,238 French Riviera. 1017 00:35:53,281 --> 00:35:54,282 [ Chuckles ] 1018 00:35:54,326 --> 00:35:55,109 Can I see? 1019 00:35:55,153 --> 00:35:56,545 Yeah. 1020 00:35:56,589 --> 00:35:58,243 I thought -- screw school, 1021 00:35:58,286 --> 00:36:00,462 when am I ever gonna get to visit planet rich again, right? 1022 00:36:00,506 --> 00:36:03,248 So, Santorini for the weekend? 1023 00:36:03,291 --> 00:36:04,423 Yes, please. 1024 00:36:04,466 --> 00:36:06,164 These photos of you guys on the tarmac, 1025 00:36:06,207 --> 00:36:08,078 you always have so much luggage. 1026 00:36:08,122 --> 00:36:09,384 I know. 1027 00:36:09,428 --> 00:36:11,865 Rowan always acted like it was the Oregon Trail. 1028 00:36:11,908 --> 00:36:13,475 Why? Every time I've seen him, 1029 00:36:13,519 --> 00:36:15,347 he was wearing a golf tee and jeans. 1030 00:36:15,390 --> 00:36:16,783 Not exactly a clotheshorse. 1031 00:36:16,826 --> 00:36:19,264 Oh, uh... 1032 00:36:19,307 --> 00:36:20,482 True. 1033 00:36:20,526 --> 00:36:22,092 I wonder what was in there. 1034 00:36:22,136 --> 00:36:24,269 Did you ever see Rowan with drugs back then? 1035 00:36:24,312 --> 00:36:25,618 I mean -- yeah. 1036 00:36:25,661 --> 00:36:27,402 He was always kind of "the life of the party," 1037 00:36:27,446 --> 00:36:28,490 if you know what I mean. 1038 00:36:28,534 --> 00:36:30,231 Why? Before Paris, 1039 00:36:30,275 --> 00:36:32,799 Rowan's family in Iowa was in financial trouble. 1040 00:36:32,842 --> 00:36:34,192 He almost dropped out of school. 1041 00:36:34,235 --> 00:36:36,716 Now he lives in Brentwood and drives a Porsche. 1042 00:36:36,759 --> 00:36:38,544 I guess? 1043 00:36:38,587 --> 00:36:41,242 I -- I see you're very excited, 1044 00:36:41,286 --> 00:36:43,549 and I love that -- I -- I'm not really following. 1045 00:36:43,592 --> 00:36:44,637 I... 1046 00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:45,551 [ Door closes ] 1047 00:36:45,594 --> 00:36:47,248 Hey, Nolan. 1048 00:36:47,292 --> 00:36:48,554 Where's Rowan? 1049 00:36:48,597 --> 00:36:50,077 Uh, he just left. 1050 00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:51,644 Why? I thought you were done with him? 1051 00:36:51,687 --> 00:36:53,646 I was -- until I realized he's the one who killed Patrick. 1052 00:36:57,302 --> 00:36:58,825 Alright. Here we go. Here we go. 1053 00:36:58,868 --> 00:37:00,261 Keith: Nice, nice. 1054 00:37:00,305 --> 00:37:01,436 Bro, it's been crazy. 1055 00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:02,655 I've added like half a million followers 1056 00:37:02,698 --> 00:37:04,309 from all the publicity. 1057 00:37:04,352 --> 00:37:06,833 What? You think, uh -- You think, uh, Aaron did it? 1058 00:37:06,876 --> 00:37:07,877 Pbht. Of course he did. 1059 00:37:07,921 --> 00:37:09,401 The guy's a total psycho. 1060 00:37:09,444 --> 00:37:10,663 Okay, watch this -- 1061 00:37:15,015 --> 00:37:16,582 Aw. Fudge. 1062 00:37:16,625 --> 00:37:17,583 Hold on, I'm gonna do it again -- 1063 00:37:17,626 --> 00:37:18,497 Okay, okay.[ Siren chirping ] 1064 00:37:18,540 --> 00:37:21,630 Rowan. What the hell? 1065 00:37:21,674 --> 00:37:23,066 We got a warrant for your arrest. 1066 00:37:23,110 --> 00:37:24,024 What? 1067 00:37:24,067 --> 00:37:25,852 For what? 1068 00:37:25,895 --> 00:37:28,289 Lucy: For the murders of Patrick Hayes and Morris Mackey. 1069 00:37:28,333 --> 00:37:29,377 Oh, snap. 1070 00:37:29,421 --> 00:37:30,944 That's crazy. 1071 00:37:30,987 --> 00:37:32,206 And wrong. 1072 00:37:32,250 --> 00:37:34,252 I didn't -- why would you even think that? 1073 00:37:34,295 --> 00:37:35,905 Because Patrick found out you were smuggling drugs 1074 00:37:35,949 --> 00:37:38,343 in Aaron's private jet, and threatened to tell the police. 1075 00:37:38,386 --> 00:37:40,606 Somehow Morris found out that you killed Patrick 1076 00:37:40,649 --> 00:37:42,912 to protect your secret, so you killed him too. 1077 00:37:42,956 --> 00:37:44,174 - Come on. - That's -- I mean -- 1078 00:37:44,218 --> 00:37:45,263 That's so -- so wrong -- 1079 00:37:45,306 --> 00:37:46,786 - Hey! Rowan! - Rowan! 1080 00:37:46,829 --> 00:37:48,701 [ Siren wailing ] 1081 00:37:48,744 --> 00:37:50,006 - Okay. - Keith: Bro, wait. 1082 00:37:50,050 --> 00:37:53,227 [ Siren wailing ] 1083 00:37:53,271 --> 00:37:54,881 - Oh. - Oh, snap. 1084 00:37:59,015 --> 00:38:00,626 Lucy: You okay? 1085 00:38:00,669 --> 00:38:02,192 Alright, you're fine. 1086 00:38:02,236 --> 00:38:03,716 Stand up. 1087 00:38:03,759 --> 00:38:05,326 - Tim: Put it down. - You're under arrest. 1088 00:38:05,370 --> 00:38:08,111 Rowan always had these crazy plans. 1089 00:38:08,155 --> 00:38:10,244 You know, "Let's go to Morocco," 1090 00:38:10,288 --> 00:38:13,203 or, "Dude, I heard about this sick party in Ibiza..." 1091 00:38:13,247 --> 00:38:17,730 And I -- I -- I never thought about it, 1092 00:38:17,773 --> 00:38:21,516 but he was the one who decided where we were flying to always. 1093 00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:23,866 And, you know, now, looking back at it, 1094 00:38:23,910 --> 00:38:27,870 with "cop eyes," I mean, it is so obvious 1095 00:38:27,914 --> 00:38:30,569 that Rowan was up to something. 1096 00:38:30,612 --> 00:38:31,918 I just could never see it. 1097 00:38:33,789 --> 00:38:36,139 I mean, Patrick did, though. 1098 00:38:38,054 --> 00:38:41,057 But, like, why -- why -- why didn't he tell me, you know? 1099 00:38:41,101 --> 00:38:43,321 We talked about everything -- you know, why wouldn't he -- 1100 00:38:43,364 --> 00:38:44,844 why wouldn't he tell me about this? 1101 00:38:47,063 --> 00:38:48,369 You know, if he had... 1102 00:38:48,413 --> 00:38:51,503 ♪ 1103 00:38:51,546 --> 00:38:53,156 everything -- 1104 00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:54,897 everything would've been so different. 1105 00:38:54,941 --> 00:39:00,468 ♪ 1106 00:39:00,512 --> 00:39:01,600 [ Car alarm chirps ] 1107 00:39:03,079 --> 00:39:03,863 Dexter: Aaron. 1108 00:39:09,782 --> 00:39:11,740 Is it true? 1109 00:39:11,784 --> 00:39:14,308 Yes, sir. 1110 00:39:14,352 --> 00:39:16,919 Rowan Clauson confessed to murdering Patrick. 1111 00:39:20,401 --> 00:39:21,707 I'm so sorry I didn't believe you. 1112 00:39:24,623 --> 00:39:25,928 Can you ever forgive me? 1113 00:39:28,496 --> 00:39:29,671 Of course. 1114 00:39:32,065 --> 00:39:34,937 ♪ Say you'll be there for me 1115 00:39:34,981 --> 00:39:38,376 After all this time, the case of who killed Patrick Hayes 1116 00:39:38,419 --> 00:39:40,029 was finally solved. 1117 00:39:40,073 --> 00:39:42,075 But the question that lingers is -- 1118 00:39:42,118 --> 00:39:45,295 is whether the emotional wounds will heal -- 1119 00:39:45,339 --> 00:39:46,427 [ Inhales sharply ] 1120 00:39:46,471 --> 00:39:47,297 ♪ When I need you 1121 00:39:47,341 --> 00:39:49,082 Feels gross, right? Yeah. 1122 00:39:49,125 --> 00:39:51,432 ♪ I need you 1123 00:39:51,476 --> 00:39:53,565 ♪ Say you'll be there 1124 00:39:53,608 --> 00:39:54,914 Two people were dead. 1125 00:39:54,957 --> 00:39:56,306 ♪ ...for an answer that I... 1126 00:39:56,350 --> 00:39:58,613 Even after you catch the guy, it's still just awful. 1127 00:39:58,657 --> 00:40:00,963 ♪ Look down and see the body I can barely breathe in ♪ 1128 00:40:01,007 --> 00:40:03,444 I'm just glad the truth finally came out. 1129 00:40:03,488 --> 00:40:07,579 Aaron's innocence is now proven without a doubt. 1130 00:40:07,622 --> 00:40:10,233 He deserves to move on with the rest of his life. 1131 00:40:10,277 --> 00:40:12,845 And we'll be here to help him do that. 1132 00:40:12,888 --> 00:40:14,368 Interviewer: And now that it's over, 1133 00:40:14,412 --> 00:40:15,891 what's your view of Aaron Thorsen? 1134 00:40:15,935 --> 00:40:17,415 Ah. [ Chuckles ] 1135 00:40:17,458 --> 00:40:20,896 I will admit, it took a minute for Aaron to win me over. 1136 00:40:20,940 --> 00:40:23,769 But once he did, I knew he'd be a good cop. 1137 00:40:23,812 --> 00:40:24,596 ♪ I need your help 1138 00:40:24,639 --> 00:40:25,858 Alright, I'm done. 1139 00:40:25,901 --> 00:40:27,425 Uh, wait. 1140 00:40:27,468 --> 00:40:30,950 This is not gonna air before his training is done, right? 1141 00:40:30,993 --> 00:40:33,126 'Cause I gotta -- I gotta keep him hungry. 1142 00:40:33,169 --> 00:40:36,521 I never once stopped believing in my boy. 1143 00:40:36,564 --> 00:40:38,784 Interviewer: Has he forgiven you for the lie? 1144 00:40:38,827 --> 00:40:40,568 He will. 1145 00:40:40,612 --> 00:40:43,049 There's nothing our family can't get through. 1146 00:40:43,092 --> 00:40:44,485 It looks like Aaron will finally be able 1147 00:40:44,529 --> 00:40:45,878 to put all this behind him. 1148 00:40:45,921 --> 00:40:48,184 That's -- That's not really how it works. 1149 00:40:48,228 --> 00:40:51,623 I mean, as someone who has had friends killed, 1150 00:40:51,666 --> 00:40:54,016 you never really get closure. 1151 00:40:54,060 --> 00:40:57,759 All you can hope for is that the memories of them -- 1152 00:40:57,803 --> 00:41:00,719 the -- the good times you had together -- 1153 00:41:00,762 --> 00:41:03,069 are what you see when you think of them. 1154 00:41:03,112 --> 00:41:04,810 How does it feel, having the truth come out 1155 00:41:04,853 --> 00:41:06,028 after all these years? 1156 00:41:06,072 --> 00:41:07,813 ♪ ...when I need you to 1157 00:41:07,856 --> 00:41:09,945 I-I-- I don't know. 1158 00:41:09,989 --> 00:41:11,773 It's -- It's still sinking in. 1159 00:41:11,817 --> 00:41:13,558 This is obviously gonna make compelling episodes 1160 00:41:13,601 --> 00:41:14,341 of your reality show. 1161 00:41:14,384 --> 00:41:16,343 Oh, no. That -- 1162 00:41:16,386 --> 00:41:18,954 "Every Rose Has A Thorsen" is not moving forward. 1163 00:41:18,998 --> 00:41:21,174 I mean, it was -- it was a mistake to do 1164 00:41:21,217 --> 00:41:23,219 in the first place, yeah. 1165 00:41:23,263 --> 00:41:25,091 I mean, the only reason why I did agree to it 1166 00:41:25,134 --> 00:41:27,615 was to rehabilitate my image. 1167 00:41:27,659 --> 00:41:32,707 Um, but ironically it ended up doing something even better -- 1168 00:41:32,751 --> 00:41:34,753 which was uncover the truth. 1169 00:41:34,796 --> 00:41:37,277 So what are you gonna do now? 1170 00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:39,758 ♪ You reach out and say what I need to hear ♪ 1171 00:41:39,801 --> 00:41:43,718 ♪ Might be dark right now but the light is near ♪ 1172 00:41:43,762 --> 00:41:45,241 Live. 1173 00:41:45,285 --> 00:41:47,766 ♪ And I know that you... For myself. 1174 00:41:47,809 --> 00:41:48,810 ♪ ...will always be here And for Patrick. 1175 00:41:48,854 --> 00:41:50,508 Mm-hmm. 1176 00:41:58,298 --> 00:42:22,452 ♪