1 00:00:09,092 --> 00:00:10,468 {\an8}[man] We're up in Aspen. 2 00:00:11,011 --> 00:00:13,763 {\an8}We're scheduled for a preliminary hearing. 3 00:00:14,848 --> 00:00:18,309 I think Bundy was the only case on the criminal docket that morning. 4 00:00:19,227 --> 00:00:21,688 {\an8}I thought the court proceedings were going very well. 5 00:00:22,272 --> 00:00:24,607 We took the morning recess as always. 6 00:00:24,691 --> 00:00:28,111 So we went our separate directions. I was out in the hallway 7 00:00:28,194 --> 00:00:30,447 smoking a cigarette, talking to one of the deputies... 8 00:00:31,656 --> 00:00:34,367 and Ted was in the back of the courtroom, 9 00:00:34,826 --> 00:00:36,578 where the law library is. 10 00:00:36,661 --> 00:00:38,121 He was doing research. 11 00:00:40,373 --> 00:00:43,543 I was sitting out in the hallway, having a cigarette, 12 00:00:43,626 --> 00:00:46,838 when the Sheriff's deputy came along and asked if I knew where Bundy was. 13 00:00:47,464 --> 00:00:50,967 My approach to things like that is usually pretty whimsical, 14 00:00:51,051 --> 00:00:52,635 and I thought that was funny. 15 00:00:52,719 --> 00:00:55,555 And I said, "It's not really my turn to watch him." 16 00:00:56,014 --> 00:00:59,392 And the next thing I know, everybody's running into the courthouse. 17 00:01:01,227 --> 00:01:02,771 Somebody from the first floor came up 18 00:01:02,854 --> 00:01:04,731 and said somebody jumped out of the second floor window. 19 00:01:05,523 --> 00:01:07,859 Before anybody knew, he was gone. 20 00:01:08,651 --> 00:01:11,780 And, uh, that was it for the court proceedings for the day. 21 00:01:13,865 --> 00:01:15,658 [theme song playing] 22 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:23,074 Who are the real-world Illuminati ? Find out @ saveanilluminati.com 23 00:01:33,718 --> 00:01:35,845 [opening song playing] 24 00:01:38,473 --> 00:01:42,477 {\an8}Good evening. Convicted Utah kidnapper Theodore Bundy has escaped. 25 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:45,271 {\an8}Escaped from an Aspen, Colorado courtroom 26 00:01:45,730 --> 00:01:48,650 and remains, at this hour, the subject of a manhunt. 27 00:01:51,820 --> 00:01:56,074 What happened was seemingly inane but it's what took place. 28 00:01:56,157 --> 00:01:58,993 He jumped out of the courthouse and he was gone. 29 00:01:59,577 --> 00:02:01,037 [tires screech] 30 00:02:01,871 --> 00:02:03,164 And the next thing I know, 31 00:02:03,248 --> 00:02:06,334 the Sheriffs were running out of the courthouse and down the street. 32 00:02:06,417 --> 00:02:08,795 I mean, they took off trying to find him. 33 00:02:08,878 --> 00:02:11,214 It-- It was kind of a surreal experience. 34 00:02:11,756 --> 00:02:14,717 {\an8}[Lucas] I was there in Aspen after his escape from the courthouse. 35 00:02:14,801 --> 00:02:19,556 {\an8}Obviously, they weren't paying attention to how significant this serial killer was. 36 00:02:20,223 --> 00:02:21,474 That was irresponsible. 37 00:02:21,558 --> 00:02:23,601 It's one of those things that shouldn't have happened. 38 00:02:23,685 --> 00:02:27,105 [reporter] Guards waited outside the room but Bundy was alone inside 39 00:02:27,188 --> 00:02:31,442 when he decided to open that window and jump the 25 feet to the ground. 40 00:02:31,568 --> 00:02:33,987 In fact, you can still see the indentations in the grass here, 41 00:02:34,070 --> 00:02:35,321 where he landed. 42 00:02:35,405 --> 00:02:38,074 From here, Theodore Bundy decided to head for the hills. 43 00:02:39,576 --> 00:02:41,161 [Leidner] There was nobody looking after him. 44 00:02:41,244 --> 00:02:43,746 He wasn't shackled, he wasn't chained, he wasn't handcuffed. 45 00:02:43,830 --> 00:02:48,376 They didn't have a waist chain on him and they kind of let him roam freely 46 00:02:48,918 --> 00:02:50,670 throughout the, uh-- the courtroom. 47 00:02:51,421 --> 00:02:52,797 It was inconceivable to me 48 00:02:52,881 --> 00:02:55,758 that you would have somebody accused of first-degree murder, 49 00:02:55,842 --> 00:02:58,011 who by that time was thought to be involved 50 00:02:58,094 --> 00:03:00,138 in a series of murders throughout the West, 51 00:03:00,221 --> 00:03:02,599 and that your security level would be so low. 52 00:03:02,682 --> 00:03:05,518 I really don't know what happened this morning in terms of the guard. 53 00:03:05,602 --> 00:03:07,812 {\an8}Basically, uh, as I understand it, 54 00:03:07,896 --> 00:03:10,440 {\an8}the defendant was in the courtroom and, uh... 55 00:03:11,941 --> 00:03:13,610 the guard was at the door 56 00:03:13,693 --> 00:03:15,737 and the last time he looked, the defendant was there, 57 00:03:15,820 --> 00:03:18,114 and the next he looked, he was gone. [chuckles] 58 00:03:18,198 --> 00:03:19,949 So he didn't keep him inside at all times? 59 00:03:20,033 --> 00:03:23,369 -Apparently not. -Will he be disciplined for that? 60 00:03:23,453 --> 00:03:25,538 [chuckles] I assume so. 61 00:03:28,833 --> 00:03:31,336 [Bundy] I remember the beautiful, clear morning. 62 00:03:33,087 --> 00:03:36,007 The mountain top shining with the first rays of... 63 00:03:36,674 --> 00:03:39,344 the summer morning's light. 64 00:03:42,597 --> 00:03:44,933 I remember psyching myself all the way up 65 00:03:45,016 --> 00:03:47,435 saying to myself again and again, "You must go. 66 00:03:47,518 --> 00:03:49,062 You must go, you must go, you must go. 67 00:03:49,145 --> 00:03:51,189 Don't hesitate, don't stop, don't stop." 68 00:03:53,900 --> 00:03:56,069 [Leidner] The question is, does he know where he's going? 69 00:03:56,152 --> 00:03:58,279 Does he know anything about this area? 70 00:03:58,363 --> 00:04:01,032 There's only two roads out of Aspen. 71 00:04:01,449 --> 00:04:03,701 How is he going to get out of here? 72 00:04:04,244 --> 00:04:06,621 {\an8}[reporter] Roadblocks have been set up all around Aspen. 73 00:04:06,704 --> 00:04:09,999 {\an8}City police and Pitkin County Sheriff's deputies are checking every car 74 00:04:10,083 --> 00:04:11,751 leaving this mountain community. 75 00:04:14,128 --> 00:04:17,131 [reporter #2] So far these roadblocks have turned up no sign of Ted Bundy, 76 00:04:17,882 --> 00:04:20,301 but sources report nine others have been arrested 77 00:04:20,385 --> 00:04:22,011 in connection with other cases 78 00:04:22,095 --> 00:04:25,515 and officers have confiscated 200 pounds of marijuana. 79 00:04:26,307 --> 00:04:29,811 [Lucas] It was crazy. The cops didn't know what was going on. 80 00:04:29,894 --> 00:04:32,021 We'd go around talking to the police about the escape, 81 00:04:32,105 --> 00:04:34,065 "What do you know about it?" And nothing. 82 00:04:34,148 --> 00:04:37,193 My photographer and I spent hours driving up and down in the woods, 83 00:04:37,277 --> 00:04:40,113 combing the hill trying to-- to locate this idiot. 84 00:04:43,866 --> 00:04:45,618 [Leidner] People were showing up on horseback 85 00:04:45,702 --> 00:04:49,163 with the bandoleros strung across their chest, with rifles 86 00:04:49,247 --> 00:04:51,874 probably half lit, ready to go out and hunt Bundy. 87 00:04:51,958 --> 00:04:55,545 [reporter] The Sheriff's department said 150 men and five bloodhounds 88 00:04:55,628 --> 00:04:57,422 combed the canyons around Aspen. 89 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:00,258 [Lubeck] This was a catch-me-if-you-can game 90 00:05:00,341 --> 00:05:01,551 that he was engaged in, 91 00:05:01,634 --> 00:05:06,723 {\an8}and he was interested in one thing, and that is doing what he wanted. 92 00:05:06,931 --> 00:05:08,182 [dog sniffing] 93 00:05:08,266 --> 00:05:09,934 [Bundy] It certainly did cause a furor. 94 00:05:10,476 --> 00:05:12,478 They didn't know where in the world I was. 95 00:05:14,022 --> 00:05:15,565 And I was feeling really good. 96 00:05:15,648 --> 00:05:18,318 I had nobody helping me, I had no money, I had no nothing. 97 00:05:18,943 --> 00:05:21,321 [reporter] Using the scent from a sweater Bundy left behind, 98 00:05:21,404 --> 00:05:24,949 dogs did track him to a bridge in town, then they lost the trail. 99 00:05:26,117 --> 00:05:28,077 [Bundy] Just ran right up into the mountains 100 00:05:28,786 --> 00:05:30,288 and managed to find a cabin. 101 00:05:36,169 --> 00:05:39,881 [reporter] The search around Aspen, now in its third day, is being wound down. 102 00:05:39,964 --> 00:05:42,425 But the spokesman for the Pitkin County Sheriff's Department 103 00:05:42,508 --> 00:05:45,136 says the dragnet will definitely continue. 104 00:05:46,346 --> 00:05:47,805 [Michaud] For days and days and days, 105 00:05:47,889 --> 00:05:53,603 {\an8}he kept the level of interest and the guessing... uh, going. 106 00:05:54,562 --> 00:05:57,190 At that point, the FBI entered the case 107 00:05:57,273 --> 00:06:01,027 because Bundy became an interstate fugitive fleeing from justice. 108 00:06:01,903 --> 00:06:06,783 They could throw a lot of bodies and equipment at the investigation, 109 00:06:07,408 --> 00:06:09,494 manpower, vehicles. 110 00:06:09,577 --> 00:06:13,331 But even then, the FBI was not much help. 111 00:06:13,456 --> 00:06:17,251 They didn't know anything that the locals didn't already know. 112 00:06:21,506 --> 00:06:23,883 [Bundy] If I could've kept on hiking I would have been long gone 113 00:06:23,966 --> 00:06:27,720 but a very cold sleet and rain storm hit me 114 00:06:27,804 --> 00:06:31,349 and I got very cold and went into a state of shock. 115 00:06:32,266 --> 00:06:36,646 Three, four days of high altitude and cold got to me and my mind got weak. 116 00:06:37,688 --> 00:06:39,315 I was just totally disoriented. 117 00:06:39,399 --> 00:06:43,152 It was like an experience I had never known before. 118 00:06:44,779 --> 00:06:47,240 That night I went and walked back into Aspen 119 00:06:47,323 --> 00:06:48,866 because I was cold and hungry. 120 00:06:49,409 --> 00:06:52,036 And I just said, "Well, let's just see what happens." 121 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:54,664 And a fluke actually, they stopped me. 122 00:07:01,712 --> 00:07:05,716 [camera shutters clicking, reporters shouting indistinctly] 123 00:07:06,300 --> 00:07:08,344 [reporter] Streets of Aspen are safe again. 124 00:07:08,428 --> 00:07:10,721 Suspected multiple murderer Theodore Bundy 125 00:07:10,805 --> 00:07:14,308 is back in custody after an absence of nearly seven days. 126 00:07:17,728 --> 00:07:21,315 {\an8}Bundy came here Wednesday after spending a miserable night in the rain. 127 00:07:21,399 --> 00:07:25,903 {\an8}He told officers he broke into this cabin, where he ate and slept Wednesday night. 128 00:07:26,487 --> 00:07:28,573 Then last night, Bundy said he walked into Aspen, 129 00:07:28,656 --> 00:07:31,909 took this car which was unlocked and had the keys in the ignition. 130 00:07:32,410 --> 00:07:35,705 He was on his way out of town but for some reason made a U-turn. 131 00:07:35,788 --> 00:07:37,540 That's when Bundy was apprehended. 132 00:07:38,332 --> 00:07:41,377 {\an8}I noted a vehicle driving erratically 133 00:07:42,003 --> 00:07:45,131 {\an8}about an eighth of a mile east of Aspen on highway 82. 134 00:07:45,923 --> 00:07:47,842 We observed this vehicle for a matter of seconds, 135 00:07:47,925 --> 00:07:51,637 and I turned around and pursued it, contacted it, 136 00:07:52,346 --> 00:07:54,932 and found Mr. Bundy driving it. 137 00:07:55,016 --> 00:07:57,101 [woman] Did you recognize him right away? 138 00:07:57,185 --> 00:08:00,188 It took about two glances. He was pretty... altered, 139 00:08:00,271 --> 00:08:02,940 his appearance had been altered by glasses and, uh... 140 00:08:03,733 --> 00:08:05,318 a minor growth of beard. 141 00:08:06,986 --> 00:08:08,779 [reporter] When Ted Bundy emerged from the courtroom, 142 00:08:08,863 --> 00:08:10,239 he was barefoot, haggard. 143 00:08:10,323 --> 00:08:13,951 He limped from the blisters on his feet and he weighed 25 pounds less 144 00:08:14,035 --> 00:08:16,746 than he did last Tuesday, at the time of his escape. 145 00:08:16,829 --> 00:08:20,208 [Lucas] When he was recaptured in Aspen, there in the courthouse in the crowd, 146 00:08:20,291 --> 00:08:23,544 in that famous shot where Bundy is walking into that crowd of reporters, 147 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:26,589 he came past me, turned to me and said, "Hi, Ward." 148 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:31,969 And two or three of the reporters standing around me said, "Who the hell are you?" 149 00:08:33,054 --> 00:08:36,432 It was very odd. But he obviously had been watching or listening 150 00:08:36,933 --> 00:08:41,812 paying attention to any time his name was used on the air, or in print. 151 00:08:41,896 --> 00:08:43,272 [camera shutter clicks] 152 00:08:43,981 --> 00:08:46,776 He was a narcissist along with being a psychopath, 153 00:08:46,859 --> 00:08:49,362 so I think he watched every TV newscast he could. 154 00:08:49,695 --> 00:08:52,573 I wouldn't be surprised if he saved newspaper clippings. 155 00:08:52,990 --> 00:08:55,201 Some people with his mindset do. 156 00:08:58,496 --> 00:09:00,748 [Bundy] I know of course the officers believed 157 00:09:00,831 --> 00:09:03,876 that I would be depressed. 158 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:05,586 Dejected as well as... 159 00:09:06,295 --> 00:09:08,839 in a state of physical exhaustion. 160 00:09:09,173 --> 00:09:10,258 And that... 161 00:09:11,259 --> 00:09:13,344 the inevitability of it all would 162 00:09:13,427 --> 00:09:16,013 shake me and that I was just a... 163 00:09:16,264 --> 00:09:18,599 a rotten tomato ready to burst. 164 00:09:19,433 --> 00:09:21,018 And all it would take would be 165 00:09:21,102 --> 00:09:23,938 this extraordinary circumstance to open me up. 166 00:09:25,565 --> 00:09:27,733 But my exhaustion notwithstanding, 167 00:09:29,193 --> 00:09:31,112 they were barking up the wrong tree. 168 00:09:33,322 --> 00:09:35,783 [Carlisle] Once he got caught and he was in jail, 169 00:09:36,284 --> 00:09:38,869 {\an8}he called-- He had a credit card that he could use. 170 00:09:39,370 --> 00:09:44,333 {\an8}And he called and we talked and talked for about 15 minutes or so. 171 00:09:45,001 --> 00:09:47,670 -[Bundy] How you doing? -Doing pretty good, Ted. How you doing? 172 00:09:47,753 --> 00:09:50,423 [Bundy] Uh, well, quite well, quite frankly, yeah. 173 00:09:50,756 --> 00:09:53,509 [stammering] There is still the scars from the blisters on my feet. 174 00:09:53,593 --> 00:09:55,928 -I'm sitting here bare footed. [laughs] -Uh-uh. 175 00:09:56,012 --> 00:09:57,930 [Bundy] From running around in the mountains. 176 00:09:58,014 --> 00:09:59,432 Extraordinary experience. 177 00:09:59,890 --> 00:10:02,226 -[Carlisle] They treating you pretty good? -Um... 178 00:10:02,310 --> 00:10:04,854 They, they have developed this paranoia about me. 179 00:10:04,937 --> 00:10:07,023 -Like I am going to escape or something. -[chuckles] 180 00:10:07,106 --> 00:10:08,858 I can't imagine where they are getting that. 181 00:10:08,941 --> 00:10:10,693 [Bundy laughs] 182 00:10:10,776 --> 00:10:12,737 -Yes, exactly. -Uh-uh. 183 00:10:13,779 --> 00:10:16,365 [Bundy] You know, we haven't really... [clears throat] 184 00:10:16,449 --> 00:10:20,453 you know, talked personally, obviously, since the latter part of January. 185 00:10:20,536 --> 00:10:21,454 [Carlisle] Yeah, right. 186 00:10:21,537 --> 00:10:24,957 [Bundy] Well, the impressions of all that you have been hearing about me 187 00:10:25,041 --> 00:10:26,417 and you know, the... 188 00:10:26,709 --> 00:10:28,002 [Carlisle] Okay. How do you mean? 189 00:10:28,085 --> 00:10:30,296 [Bundy] Well, like, the escape and everything like that. 190 00:10:31,088 --> 00:10:33,674 I wonder what your impression of that was. 191 00:10:33,758 --> 00:10:34,675 [Carlisle] Uh... 192 00:10:35,301 --> 00:10:36,594 I had mixed impressions. 193 00:10:36,677 --> 00:10:39,221 I was wondering if you were really getting uptight. 194 00:10:39,305 --> 00:10:41,349 And the pressure looked like it was on. 195 00:10:42,058 --> 00:10:44,268 In your own mind, what was happening? 196 00:10:44,352 --> 00:10:46,479 -[Bundy] Well... -What was the reason for... 197 00:10:46,562 --> 00:10:49,899 [Bundy] I just got sick and tired of being locked up, and... 198 00:10:50,316 --> 00:10:53,027 I had-- Over the months, I had noticed a number of opportunities 199 00:10:53,110 --> 00:10:54,779 to just walk right out. 200 00:10:55,780 --> 00:10:58,949 Just longed for freedom for so long and now I'm like... 201 00:10:59,450 --> 00:11:01,535 like I was living my ultimate dream. 202 00:11:02,036 --> 00:11:03,996 It was just an incredible experience. 203 00:11:04,747 --> 00:11:08,250 [Carlisle] It's almost like he's talking to a father 204 00:11:08,334 --> 00:11:11,379 and saying, you know: "I almost did a home run". 205 00:11:12,421 --> 00:11:14,548 You know, in the baseball game. It was so friendly. 206 00:11:14,965 --> 00:11:16,550 He was really quite proud of that. 207 00:11:18,469 --> 00:11:22,181 [Leidner] He talked about how lucky the people were to catch him, 208 00:11:22,515 --> 00:11:24,850 and how stupid the people were who caught him... 209 00:11:25,518 --> 00:11:26,727 and how... 210 00:11:27,353 --> 00:11:30,147 intellectually superior he was to everybody. 211 00:11:30,564 --> 00:11:32,358 And I thought to myself, 212 00:11:32,441 --> 00:11:34,443 "Those things may be true but you're the one in jail, 213 00:11:34,527 --> 00:11:36,320 and those are the ones who are on the outside." 214 00:11:38,781 --> 00:11:41,325 [reporter] Theodore Bundy left here in the midst of a hearing 215 00:11:41,409 --> 00:11:43,411 concerning his upcoming murder trial. 216 00:11:43,494 --> 00:11:44,912 If that's what he hoped to avoid, 217 00:11:44,995 --> 00:11:46,872 he didn't really accomplish much by escaping. 218 00:11:47,331 --> 00:11:50,167 He's back in jail, that hearing resumes Thursday morning, 219 00:11:50,251 --> 00:11:52,837 and now Bundy faces new charges... of escape. 220 00:11:54,463 --> 00:11:56,799 [Michaud] This is one of those strange dichotomies with Ted. 221 00:11:56,882 --> 00:11:58,467 He liked being the center of attention, 222 00:11:58,551 --> 00:12:01,178 but did not understand what kind of trouble came with it. 223 00:12:02,138 --> 00:12:07,351 The better known he was, the more he put himself under undue risk... 224 00:12:08,686 --> 00:12:11,856 but Ted did not see it that way. 225 00:12:15,693 --> 00:12:19,864 [Bundy] This kind of boldness that we see from time to time from this personality, 226 00:12:20,322 --> 00:12:21,157 um... 227 00:12:21,532 --> 00:12:25,035 it's probably just being willing to take the risk. 228 00:12:25,119 --> 00:12:26,829 Or perhaps not even seeing risk. 229 00:12:27,288 --> 00:12:31,751 Just overcome by that boldness and desire to accomplish a particular thing. 230 00:12:32,501 --> 00:12:34,795 To understand how he thought, 231 00:12:34,879 --> 00:12:38,424 you have to be able to project yourself into a sociopath's brain. 232 00:12:38,507 --> 00:12:40,634 If you can do that, um... 233 00:12:41,093 --> 00:12:42,720 more power to you. [chuckles] 234 00:12:42,803 --> 00:12:44,930 I'm-- It's a point of pride with me that I can't. 235 00:12:47,475 --> 00:12:51,937 [Bundy] I think we can say that he-- he felt almost as if he was immune... 236 00:12:52,229 --> 00:12:53,647 -[Michaud] Mm-hmm. -...uh... 237 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:56,275 from detection, as if he were in a dimension 238 00:12:56,358 --> 00:12:59,445 that he just kind of, like, could walk through doors. 239 00:13:00,237 --> 00:13:02,948 That he had some supernatural powers. 240 00:13:03,699 --> 00:13:06,577 That no matter how much he fucked up, nothing could go wrong. 241 00:13:17,463 --> 00:13:20,007 [Michaud] December 30th, 1977, 242 00:13:20,883 --> 00:13:25,721 Ted is in prison waiting for trial for the murder of Caryn Campbell. 243 00:13:27,348 --> 00:13:31,977 That evening a guard, as usual, brought him his food and left. 244 00:13:35,105 --> 00:13:38,067 The next morning, the guard returned to Ted's cell, 245 00:13:40,152 --> 00:13:41,862 and found his food uneaten. 246 00:13:43,572 --> 00:13:47,243 He looked over and Bundy appeared to be in his cot, asleep. 247 00:13:48,911 --> 00:13:51,622 But as he entered the cell and pulled back the covers, 248 00:13:51,705 --> 00:13:55,125 he finds nothings but a pile of books, where Ted should have been. 249 00:13:55,751 --> 00:13:57,002 There was no Bundy. 250 00:13:59,255 --> 00:14:01,257 [indistinct shouting] 251 00:14:04,552 --> 00:14:07,137 [reporter] New Year's Eve, 1977. 252 00:14:09,890 --> 00:14:13,310 {\an8}In the Garfield County Jail, Bundy walked out. 253 00:14:13,644 --> 00:14:16,981 [female reporter] Bundy starved down to less than 140 pounds, 254 00:14:17,147 --> 00:14:20,609 slipped through a hole in the ceiling of his cell and was free again. 255 00:14:23,988 --> 00:14:27,658 [McChesney] The second escape, Ted was quite creative. 256 00:14:27,741 --> 00:14:32,371 Lost some weight, and hacked his way through the ceiling. 257 00:14:32,788 --> 00:14:37,334 He managed to climb on some books, lift himself into the ceiling, 258 00:14:37,418 --> 00:14:39,128 crawl through the ceiling area, 259 00:14:39,211 --> 00:14:45,759 {\an8}into the apartment of one of the jailers, which was above his prison cell. 260 00:14:46,427 --> 00:14:50,931 He took some of the jailer's clothing and walked out the front door. 261 00:14:56,645 --> 00:14:59,732 [Keppel] Bundy's second escape was pretty much of a nightmare. 262 00:15:01,442 --> 00:15:04,695 {\an8}That's the one where he just disappeared and no one knew where he went. 263 00:15:06,196 --> 00:15:07,615 [Leidner] Just could not believe it, 264 00:15:07,698 --> 00:15:09,950 could not believe that somehow he got out of there. 265 00:15:10,034 --> 00:15:12,202 That's what really was a scary situation. 266 00:15:14,288 --> 00:15:18,000 [Lucas] I was so disgusted with what had gone on. 267 00:15:18,459 --> 00:15:19,460 I think it was a travesty. 268 00:15:20,502 --> 00:15:22,421 The county commissioners of course are responsible 269 00:15:22,504 --> 00:15:24,757 {\an8}ultimately for the safety of prisoners. 270 00:15:25,215 --> 00:15:27,968 {\an8}The safekeeping of prisoners in a county facility. 271 00:15:28,344 --> 00:15:29,678 They were derelict in their duty. 272 00:15:29,762 --> 00:15:32,598 I can assure you that if anybody has been harmed 273 00:15:32,681 --> 00:15:36,769 by Mr. Bundy's leaving Garfield County on the first of January, 274 00:15:36,852 --> 00:15:39,146 that I intend fully to follow up 275 00:15:39,229 --> 00:15:43,067 uh, and file charges against people who were perhaps criminally negligent. 276 00:15:44,443 --> 00:15:47,446 [Leidner] It just brought to mind a little kid who's been denied 277 00:15:47,529 --> 00:15:49,323 candy for however much time, 278 00:15:50,157 --> 00:15:51,533 and this situation, 279 00:15:51,617 --> 00:15:54,036 it was like Bundy couldn't control himself. 280 00:15:54,119 --> 00:15:55,996 He had this opportunity 281 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:57,957 and took off. 282 00:15:59,041 --> 00:16:02,252 [Lucas] He was this vicious killer who was just a complete and total con man, 283 00:16:02,336 --> 00:16:05,214 a psychopath. And he was running around out there. 284 00:16:05,464 --> 00:16:06,924 People began looking everywhere, 285 00:16:07,007 --> 00:16:09,468 because a serial killer doesn't quit until he is stopped. 286 00:16:13,973 --> 00:16:16,475 [Yocom] I got a call from the local authorities 287 00:16:16,558 --> 00:16:19,019 saying that Ted had escaped again. 288 00:16:19,561 --> 00:16:22,523 {\an8}We were afraid that he might be coming back to the Salt Lake area 289 00:16:22,606 --> 00:16:24,984 {\an8}and we certainly didn't want him back there. [chuckles] 290 00:16:26,735 --> 00:16:29,780 [woman] I heard about the escape on the news. 291 00:16:30,322 --> 00:16:33,826 {\an8}I was concerned with him being loose, 292 00:16:33,909 --> 00:16:37,329 {\an8}on what was going to happen to someone else. 293 00:16:37,413 --> 00:16:42,084 Just the magnitude of it was just very overwhelming and shocking. 294 00:16:42,543 --> 00:16:45,546 {\an8}Well, I'm concerned that this individual has been on the street, 295 00:16:45,629 --> 00:16:48,924 {\an8}and we of course take all necessary precautions and, uh... 296 00:16:49,591 --> 00:16:52,761 with our witnesses that testified against him in our case here... 297 00:16:52,845 --> 00:16:56,265 and of course will assist any way we can with Colorado to... 298 00:16:56,682 --> 00:16:58,475 um, see that he's apprehended. 299 00:17:00,728 --> 00:17:03,522 [female reporter] Are you worried that he might hurt somebody else? 300 00:17:03,981 --> 00:17:05,482 Well, there's always this possibility. 301 00:17:06,859 --> 00:17:11,280 [Keppel] There's law enforcement officers in Idaho, Colorado, Utah... 302 00:17:11,363 --> 00:17:13,032 all investigating Bundy. 303 00:17:14,283 --> 00:17:17,369 So we contacted everybody we could think of. 304 00:17:17,786 --> 00:17:21,540 Liz, his friends, his mother. 305 00:17:21,623 --> 00:17:24,543 Basically threatened them all with arrest, 306 00:17:24,626 --> 00:17:27,004 all in an effort to try and get them 307 00:17:27,087 --> 00:17:29,423 to tell us everything they could about Bundy. 308 00:17:29,506 --> 00:17:31,175 [siren wailing] 309 00:17:31,258 --> 00:17:32,760 Was he coming this way? 310 00:17:32,843 --> 00:17:34,553 We didn't know if he was or not. 311 00:17:38,057 --> 00:17:40,100 [male reporter] Assistant US Attorney James McConkey 312 00:17:40,184 --> 00:17:41,769 approved processing the document, 313 00:17:41,852 --> 00:17:44,313 which brings the Federal Bureau of Investigation 314 00:17:44,396 --> 00:17:46,065 into the hunt for Ted Bundy. 315 00:17:46,857 --> 00:17:50,444 [man] Wanted for questioning in connection with similar type sexual slayings 316 00:17:50,527 --> 00:17:54,281 throughout the Pacific northwest and into Utah and Colorado. 317 00:17:54,364 --> 00:17:59,411 {\an8}A federal warrant was issued on January 5, 1978 at Denver, Colorado, 318 00:17:59,870 --> 00:18:01,497 charging Bundy with unlawful flight 319 00:18:01,580 --> 00:18:03,582 to avoid prosecution for the crime of murder. 320 00:18:04,291 --> 00:18:05,918 [Lucas] If Bundy is ever recaptured, 321 00:18:06,001 --> 00:18:08,170 the Colorado prosecution will continue, 322 00:18:08,253 --> 00:18:10,506 and he could be prosecuted for one of the Utah murders 323 00:18:10,589 --> 00:18:12,382 before this thing is all over with. 324 00:18:12,466 --> 00:18:17,054 But for the moment, Theodore Bundy is merely an escaped convicted kidnapper. 325 00:18:17,638 --> 00:18:20,265 And now one of the FBI's most wanted men. 326 00:18:22,142 --> 00:18:24,144 [McChesney] Even with the FBI involved, 327 00:18:24,228 --> 00:18:26,480 sharing information was a real challenge. 328 00:18:27,773 --> 00:18:29,733 There was no central database. 329 00:18:30,150 --> 00:18:31,235 There was no Internet. 330 00:18:31,318 --> 00:18:32,152 [phone rings] 331 00:18:32,236 --> 00:18:35,656 [Michaud] The FBI were limited in their reach to the general public. 332 00:18:36,365 --> 00:18:38,075 In those days, there was always a delay 333 00:18:38,158 --> 00:18:40,202 between what happened and getting the story. 334 00:18:41,161 --> 00:18:44,123 And so Ted was just a legend in his own time zone. 335 00:18:45,916 --> 00:18:49,378 [Bundy] The FBI knows that people are creatures of habit... 336 00:18:49,795 --> 00:18:53,715 that we have our little things that we like to do. 337 00:18:56,593 --> 00:19:02,975 And they just wait for a person to assume those habits again. 338 00:19:05,561 --> 00:19:07,688 The person has to examine his life and say, 339 00:19:08,230 --> 00:19:11,984 "What parts of my life are distinctive?" And then change them. 340 00:19:14,820 --> 00:19:16,321 Creating an identity... 341 00:19:18,532 --> 00:19:23,829 is-- is not terribly difficult to do at all. 342 00:19:33,589 --> 00:19:36,967 Frightened coeds at Florida State University in Tallahassee 343 00:19:37,050 --> 00:19:39,178 walked to class in groups today 344 00:19:39,261 --> 00:19:41,096 while detectives tried to track a man 345 00:19:41,180 --> 00:19:45,017 who slipped into a sorority house early yesterday and murdered two women. 346 00:19:47,394 --> 00:19:49,855 {\an8}[reporter] In the early morning hours, through a backdoor, 347 00:19:49,938 --> 00:19:52,524 {\an8}the Intruder came in, carrying an oak tree limb 348 00:19:53,108 --> 00:19:54,943 [reporter #2] The killer came in from the night, 349 00:19:55,027 --> 00:19:59,072 and then returned to it with an ease that has so far baffled police 350 00:19:59,156 --> 00:20:01,617 and left most coeds here terrified. 351 00:20:02,910 --> 00:20:06,121 [man] It all began at about 2:30 a.m. 352 00:20:06,205 --> 00:20:08,248 A call I'll never forget. 353 00:20:08,624 --> 00:20:11,627 {\an8}The frantic nature of the... 354 00:20:12,211 --> 00:20:16,506 {\an8}caller on the other end of the phone saying, "Sheriff, uh... 355 00:20:17,132 --> 00:20:19,509 we may have as many as four dead 356 00:20:20,219 --> 00:20:23,555 at the Chi Omega sorority house, Florida State University." 357 00:20:24,056 --> 00:20:26,225 -[sirens wailing] -[indistinct chatter] 358 00:20:26,642 --> 00:20:31,271 As I arrived, they were taking girls out on stretchers. 359 00:20:31,855 --> 00:20:34,608 I didn't know, and frankly they didn't either, 360 00:20:34,691 --> 00:20:36,276 whether they were dead or alive. 361 00:20:38,403 --> 00:20:42,115 It appeared that the person was attempting to be organized 362 00:20:42,199 --> 00:20:46,161 like it was necessary to do things in order. 363 00:20:46,703 --> 00:20:49,706 [reporter] Most Chi Os had come back from their dates and gone to bed. 364 00:20:50,082 --> 00:20:53,585 {\an8}That's where the intruder found Margaret Bowman asleep. 365 00:20:54,002 --> 00:20:55,254 {\an8}She never woke up. 366 00:20:55,337 --> 00:20:59,132 She died in her bed, beaten, strangled, sexually molested. 367 00:21:00,634 --> 00:21:04,721 [Katsaris] But you could tell that the person that did this 368 00:21:05,264 --> 00:21:07,057 was also losing control. 369 00:21:08,058 --> 00:21:10,519 {\an8}[reporter] Further down the hall, Lisa Levy was asleep. 370 00:21:10,936 --> 00:21:13,772 She, too, died without regaining consciousness. 371 00:21:15,315 --> 00:21:18,777 {\an8}Still further down the hall, roommates Karen Chandler and Kathy Kleiner 372 00:21:18,860 --> 00:21:20,404 {\an8}survived their attacks. 373 00:21:20,487 --> 00:21:23,365 {\an8}Both were asleep, neither saw their attacker. 374 00:21:24,074 --> 00:21:26,243 [Katsaris] When you walk into a room, 375 00:21:26,326 --> 00:21:29,079 with the intentions of harming someone 376 00:21:29,162 --> 00:21:31,540 but then end up brutalizing 377 00:21:31,915 --> 00:21:33,500 one, two, 378 00:21:33,583 --> 00:21:35,460 three, four-- 379 00:21:36,253 --> 00:21:39,381 It shocked even all of us who have seen... 380 00:21:39,965 --> 00:21:41,550 brutalization before. 381 00:21:45,512 --> 00:21:48,724 {\an8}When he hit the girls, I just don't think they had a chance 382 00:21:48,807 --> 00:21:49,808 to fight back. 383 00:21:50,350 --> 00:21:51,893 I think he just went in and hit. 384 00:21:52,352 --> 00:21:54,688 I just don't think they had a chance to cry out. 385 00:21:56,064 --> 00:21:59,109 [Katsaris] That same night, while I was outside, 386 00:21:59,192 --> 00:22:01,987 we got a call that crackled on my radio and said, 387 00:22:02,070 --> 00:22:06,533 "There are some real unusual noises coming from a duplex. 388 00:22:06,908 --> 00:22:10,495 The neighbor next door is calling in and saying, 389 00:22:10,579 --> 00:22:13,749 'It sounds like somebody is really being beat up.'" 390 00:22:13,832 --> 00:22:16,335 And I said, "Could it be? 391 00:22:17,002 --> 00:22:22,215 Is it possible? Could the same person have gone to another location?" 392 00:22:23,216 --> 00:22:26,970 And I said, "No, in all my studies of criminology, 393 00:22:27,054 --> 00:22:29,639 crime, criminals and their methods, 394 00:22:29,723 --> 00:22:31,933 they do something like this, they're on the lam. 395 00:22:32,017 --> 00:22:33,894 They're gone. They don't want to be around. 396 00:22:33,977 --> 00:22:36,021 They're certainly not gonna commit another crime." 397 00:22:36,772 --> 00:22:39,399 I sent an investigator to that scene. 398 00:22:39,483 --> 00:22:41,693 It was only about six blocks away. 399 00:22:41,777 --> 00:22:46,490 {\an8}Sure enough, there laid a young lady, a dance major, 400 00:22:47,366 --> 00:22:49,326 brutalized, beaten, 401 00:22:49,659 --> 00:22:51,286 laying in a pool of blood. 402 00:22:52,371 --> 00:22:55,123 {\an8}Obviously, we had the same individual 403 00:22:55,207 --> 00:22:59,127 {\an8}who didn't get but a few blocks and couldn't stop himself. 404 00:23:04,216 --> 00:23:05,759 He brutalized them. 405 00:23:05,842 --> 00:23:07,386 Two to their death 406 00:23:07,469 --> 00:23:11,556 and three to his certainty that he had killed them. 407 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:12,849 But he had not. 408 00:23:13,642 --> 00:23:15,811 [reporter] Florida Department of Criminal Law Enforcement 409 00:23:15,894 --> 00:23:18,897 crime lab experts are busy sifting through and analyzing 410 00:23:18,980 --> 00:23:21,358 evidence that was collected from the Chi Omega house. 411 00:23:21,900 --> 00:23:26,446 We were thinking, "Who could it be and how did he get there? 412 00:23:26,530 --> 00:23:29,908 And what methods were used and why?" 413 00:23:29,991 --> 00:23:32,494 I mean, the questions were just numerous. 414 00:23:33,537 --> 00:23:35,872 So I made my way to the morgue. 415 00:23:36,540 --> 00:23:41,503 There, as I examined the bodies of the two deceased girls, 416 00:23:41,586 --> 00:23:45,924 I saw that there was mutilation by mouth, by teeth. 417 00:23:47,008 --> 00:23:48,969 There was a very large, 418 00:23:49,594 --> 00:23:50,846 very imprinted, 419 00:23:51,346 --> 00:23:53,098 double bite mark. 420 00:23:54,808 --> 00:23:57,561 {\an8}[male reporter] What kind of a person do you think is at large? 421 00:23:57,644 --> 00:24:00,272 {\an8}Well, I'd rather say 422 00:24:00,605 --> 00:24:04,693 {\an8}we've got a very disturbed, sick individual. 423 00:24:08,530 --> 00:24:10,532 [birds chirping] 424 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:17,122 [girl] Everybody's scared all the time. Even just walking to classes. 425 00:24:17,205 --> 00:24:19,040 And today, we've been keeping our doors locked 426 00:24:19,124 --> 00:24:21,001 during the day too, which we don't usually do. 427 00:24:24,087 --> 00:24:27,382 [man] There'd never been a crime like this before in Tallahassee. 428 00:24:27,966 --> 00:24:30,135 There was a tenseness in the air. 429 00:24:30,218 --> 00:24:32,471 {\an8}A nagging fear, a nagging question, 430 00:24:32,888 --> 00:24:35,932 {\an8}that could not be just pushed aside. 431 00:24:37,100 --> 00:24:42,022 I was a 28-year-old journalist down at WFSU TV in Tallahassee. 432 00:24:43,940 --> 00:24:49,696 Across the street from the TV station was a Chi Omega sorority house. 433 00:24:50,363 --> 00:24:53,825 We had coeds who were savagely attacked. 434 00:24:53,909 --> 00:24:57,078 And nobody knew who was responsible for this, 435 00:24:57,162 --> 00:24:58,622 but they were still out there. 436 00:24:59,956 --> 00:25:01,750 [helicopter thrumming] 437 00:25:01,833 --> 00:25:05,212 You'd hear helicopters flying overhead at night, 438 00:25:05,295 --> 00:25:07,172 buzzing across the city. 439 00:25:07,964 --> 00:25:10,217 [reporter] Police continue to guard the Chi Omega house 440 00:25:10,300 --> 00:25:12,260 around the clock, but the girls who live there 441 00:25:12,344 --> 00:25:14,554 haven't slept in the house since last weekend 442 00:25:15,013 --> 00:25:17,140 and there's no word on when they'll return. 443 00:25:17,224 --> 00:25:18,725 Everybody wanted answers. 444 00:25:18,808 --> 00:25:20,810 Obviously, we didn't have any answers. 445 00:25:21,853 --> 00:25:25,607 We did call the FBI, but they were not very helpful. 446 00:25:26,900 --> 00:25:29,945 They started working on getting together a profile 447 00:25:30,028 --> 00:25:33,073 of the type of person we might be looking for, 448 00:25:33,532 --> 00:25:37,369 but unfortunately a profile could apply to so many people. 449 00:25:38,286 --> 00:25:40,747 It's good when you have the person that did it, 450 00:25:40,830 --> 00:25:43,667 and say, "Aha! See? It matches." 451 00:25:43,750 --> 00:25:47,462 But you couldn't take that profile and go out and find the person. 452 00:25:47,879 --> 00:25:49,589 It just doesn't work that way. 453 00:25:50,215 --> 00:25:53,176 {\an8}We are trying to establish the whereabouts, um, 454 00:25:53,260 --> 00:25:57,722 {\an8}and if certain people and so on could've been in the Tallahassee area. Yes. 455 00:25:57,806 --> 00:26:01,226 It's just running down every lead to the nth degree, 456 00:26:01,309 --> 00:26:03,395 rather than allowing anything to slip by. 457 00:26:04,521 --> 00:26:06,898 [Katsaris] Every County in Florida was frightened. 458 00:26:07,399 --> 00:26:10,026 Window locks, door locks, padlocks. 459 00:26:10,652 --> 00:26:13,280 I mean, the stores were selling out of everything, 460 00:26:13,655 --> 00:26:17,951 {\an8}because people thought, "Goodness, there's a murderer on the loose." 461 00:26:30,672 --> 00:26:33,675 {\an8}[man] Lake City was, you know, small town USA. 462 00:26:33,758 --> 00:26:35,343 {\an8}Everybody knew everybody. 463 00:26:36,011 --> 00:26:39,806 People didn't lock the front door, left keys in the car in the driveway. 464 00:26:40,348 --> 00:26:42,142 Kids just walked all over town. 465 00:26:43,935 --> 00:26:46,605 {\an8}And Kim Leach was just a small-town girl. 466 00:26:47,939 --> 00:26:49,983 [reporter] 12-year-old Kimberly Diane Leach 467 00:26:50,066 --> 00:26:51,818 went to school Thursday, February 9th, 468 00:26:51,901 --> 00:26:54,029 {\an8}here at Lake City Junior High School. 469 00:26:54,112 --> 00:26:55,947 By mid-morning, she was missing 470 00:26:56,239 --> 00:26:58,825 and no one has seen or heard from her since. 471 00:26:59,367 --> 00:27:01,703 [Dekle] First I heard of the disappearance of Kim Leach, 472 00:27:01,786 --> 00:27:03,371 I was driving to the hospital 473 00:27:03,913 --> 00:27:06,166 to visit my wife who had just delivered our third child 474 00:27:06,249 --> 00:27:08,585 and I heard about it on the radio. 475 00:27:09,586 --> 00:27:13,465 [male reporter] She exited this building and walked across this basketball court. 476 00:27:13,882 --> 00:27:16,885 But from then on, the whereabouts of Kimberly Diane Leach 477 00:27:16,968 --> 00:27:19,721 is unknown to the Lake City Police Department. 478 00:27:20,639 --> 00:27:21,890 [Dekle] It was a real whodunit. 479 00:27:22,557 --> 00:27:24,893 We had a missing person to begin with, 480 00:27:24,976 --> 00:27:29,314 but we didn't have Kim Leach's body. It was a monumental task. 481 00:27:30,231 --> 00:27:32,984 [reporter] A wide search is being made for Leach in Lake City. 482 00:27:33,068 --> 00:27:35,236 More than 75 state troopers, 483 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:38,365 Florida Division of Forestry workers, deputies and others 484 00:27:38,448 --> 00:27:40,241 are helping out in that hunt. 485 00:27:57,050 --> 00:27:59,052 [birds chirping] 486 00:28:14,150 --> 00:28:17,654 [Bundy] That day in Pensacola had been one of the best I'd spent. 487 00:28:18,029 --> 00:28:20,281 It was sunny, I'd gone to the ocean, laid on the beach. 488 00:28:20,782 --> 00:28:23,535 And I said to myself-- I remember saying to myself that day, 489 00:28:23,618 --> 00:28:25,537 "Boy, you've got it whipped." You know? 490 00:28:25,620 --> 00:28:27,539 "This is the way to start out 1978, 491 00:28:27,622 --> 00:28:30,041 laying on the beach in the Gulf of Florida." 492 00:28:31,376 --> 00:28:34,546 And just laying there in the sand and getting a bit of a tan. 493 00:28:35,213 --> 00:28:36,881 I mean, I was super confident 494 00:28:36,965 --> 00:28:39,050 and I was just-- just feeling 495 00:28:39,134 --> 00:28:42,387 really satisfied with the way things were. 496 00:28:53,314 --> 00:28:55,191 [reporter] Police arrested this 31-year-old man 497 00:28:55,275 --> 00:28:58,486 after a high speed chase Wednesday morning in Pensacola, Florida. 498 00:28:58,570 --> 00:29:01,197 He claims to be a Florida State University law student. 499 00:29:01,823 --> 00:29:05,910 [Katsaris] An officer in Pensacola, doing his job very well, 500 00:29:06,536 --> 00:29:09,330 stopped a car that, in his gut, said, 501 00:29:09,414 --> 00:29:12,834 "This isn't right, it's going slow." It just didn't look right. 502 00:29:13,501 --> 00:29:15,003 [reporter] Who is this man? 503 00:29:15,086 --> 00:29:17,839 He was arrested driving a stolen Tallahassee car, 504 00:29:17,922 --> 00:29:20,508 and carrying 21 stolen credit cards, 505 00:29:20,592 --> 00:29:23,303 many of which belonged to FSU coeds. 506 00:29:23,386 --> 00:29:25,597 He refused to give his name to authorities 507 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:27,974 and he resisted arrest with violence. 508 00:29:28,391 --> 00:29:31,686 [man] He grabbed my wrist and we had a struggle for control of my revolver. 509 00:29:31,770 --> 00:29:34,147 {\an8}After several minutes of fighting, I did manage to subdue him 510 00:29:34,230 --> 00:29:35,982 {\an8}by striking him with my revolver 511 00:29:36,065 --> 00:29:39,319 {\an8}and completing the arrest by placing the cuff on his other hand 512 00:29:39,402 --> 00:29:40,820 {\an8}and taking him back to the patrol car. 513 00:29:42,614 --> 00:29:44,407 {\an8}[Katsaris] For the initial period 514 00:29:44,491 --> 00:29:48,828 {\an8}that he was being held in Pensacola County Jail, 515 00:29:49,329 --> 00:29:50,580 he had another name. 516 00:29:51,289 --> 00:29:55,293 [reporter] He told police that he was 29-year-old Kenneth Misner of Tallahassee, 517 00:29:55,376 --> 00:29:57,670 and even had ID cards to prove it. 518 00:29:58,713 --> 00:30:01,257 [Katsaris] That person heard that he was in jail 519 00:30:01,341 --> 00:30:03,510 and notified us and said, 520 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,387 {\an8}"Hey, that's not me. I'm here. 521 00:30:06,471 --> 00:30:08,598 {\an8}I'm not over there. I didn't do this." 522 00:30:09,682 --> 00:30:12,435 [Dekle] Police didn't know who they had in Pensacola. 523 00:30:12,977 --> 00:30:15,522 He handed over a driver's license, 524 00:30:15,605 --> 00:30:18,274 {\an8}but, you know, driver's licenses in 1979 in Florida 525 00:30:18,358 --> 00:30:20,318 {\an8}were printed on a little piece of paper, 526 00:30:20,401 --> 00:30:23,196 {\an8}almost like, you know, you'd put the form into a typewriter 527 00:30:23,279 --> 00:30:24,656 and type it out. 528 00:30:24,739 --> 00:30:26,199 There's no picture on them. 529 00:30:26,699 --> 00:30:29,035 [reporter] When the real Misner was located at home, 530 00:30:29,118 --> 00:30:30,578 he admitted the IDs were phony. 531 00:30:30,995 --> 00:30:34,249 He was ordered held without bond by a circuit court judge this morning 532 00:30:34,332 --> 00:30:37,085 after he again refused to identify himself. 533 00:30:37,544 --> 00:30:39,504 [judge] Are you acquainted with or are you familiar 534 00:30:39,587 --> 00:30:42,757 with the charges against you as outlined by the state's attorney? 535 00:30:43,758 --> 00:30:47,637 I would like the court to, um, list them again. 536 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,431 I don't believe I picked everything up from the state's attorney. 537 00:30:50,515 --> 00:30:54,727 [judge] This is for possession of stolen property, an automobile, 538 00:30:54,811 --> 00:30:57,230 possession of a stolen television, 539 00:30:57,939 --> 00:30:59,107 uh... 540 00:30:59,190 --> 00:31:02,527 possession of stolen credit cards on 21 accounts, 541 00:31:03,278 --> 00:31:07,490 possession of stolen tags, that is automobile tags, 542 00:31:08,032 --> 00:31:12,787 battery of a police officer and resisting arrest with violence. 543 00:31:13,371 --> 00:31:15,832 [public defender] He is entitled to a bond on these cases. 544 00:31:15,915 --> 00:31:17,584 [judge] We can't bail him out if we-- 545 00:31:17,667 --> 00:31:20,795 We don't even now who he is, he won't tell us who he is. 546 00:31:22,547 --> 00:31:24,215 Who would be the principal on the bond? 547 00:31:24,299 --> 00:31:26,009 Your Honor, all I know is what they say. 548 00:31:26,092 --> 00:31:28,219 I don't know whether he's given his name or not. 549 00:31:28,303 --> 00:31:31,055 He's certainly entitled to a bond in any event I would think. 550 00:31:31,139 --> 00:31:33,683 [prosecutor] Your Honor, the public defender heard the man admit 551 00:31:33,766 --> 00:31:36,060 that he is not the person whose name he gave 552 00:31:36,144 --> 00:31:38,563 and he has failed to come forward with his correct name. 553 00:31:39,856 --> 00:31:44,944 [judge] Well, until we find out who he is, there's no way we can bail him out. 554 00:31:45,028 --> 00:31:46,279 [public defender] All right. 555 00:31:46,821 --> 00:31:49,115 [reporter] The mystery man will be kept behind bars 556 00:31:49,198 --> 00:31:51,117 before returning to court to enter a plea. 557 00:31:51,409 --> 00:31:54,537 Officials say by then, they hope to know who he is. 558 00:31:55,705 --> 00:31:58,541 [Katsaris] We have an individual, we don't know who he is yet. 559 00:31:59,167 --> 00:32:02,921 So it became an information-gathering process, 560 00:32:03,296 --> 00:32:05,840 and we focused on the car. 561 00:32:07,508 --> 00:32:09,677 There was no hair fibers. 562 00:32:10,011 --> 00:32:13,431 There were no trace evidence of any kind. 563 00:32:15,058 --> 00:32:18,311 But we did identify that it was a stolen vehicle, 564 00:32:18,853 --> 00:32:20,772 stolen from nearby... 565 00:32:21,481 --> 00:32:22,565 the Chi Omega house. 566 00:32:23,232 --> 00:32:26,861 {\an8}I thought, you know, this might be our first potential suspect. 567 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,948 {\an8}So I sent investigators to Pensacola 568 00:32:30,031 --> 00:32:32,408 and we started to learn more about him. 569 00:32:33,117 --> 00:32:35,745 [male reporter] Two people who want most to know who he is 570 00:32:35,828 --> 00:32:38,957 are Tallahassee detectives Steve Bodiford and Don Pachen. 571 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,834 They have now spent several hours quizzing Mr. Mystery 572 00:32:41,918 --> 00:32:45,380 about the slayings last month of two Florida State University coeds 573 00:32:45,463 --> 00:32:46,464 from St. Petersburg. 574 00:32:47,507 --> 00:32:50,468 [Katsaris] We started investigating and talking to him, 575 00:32:50,551 --> 00:32:53,972 asked him if he would talk to us, and he was reluctant. 576 00:32:54,430 --> 00:32:55,890 He started playing games. 577 00:32:56,265 --> 00:32:59,644 He's a very careful thinker, and from what I understand, he-- 578 00:32:59,727 --> 00:33:02,981 from the men who've been questioning him-- he says what, uh... 579 00:33:03,064 --> 00:33:06,150 what he wants to, and he's very careful about how he says it. 580 00:33:06,818 --> 00:33:10,279 [Katsaris] For a while, I let him play his games with my investigators 581 00:33:10,363 --> 00:33:12,240 until I said, "Enough." 582 00:33:12,782 --> 00:33:14,826 And then it started unraveling. 583 00:33:16,411 --> 00:33:19,998 [Bundy] I was being interrogated by the police in Pensacola. 584 00:33:20,540 --> 00:33:24,085 And I have no way of measuring... 585 00:33:25,128 --> 00:33:29,090 on a scale of one to ten, or one to a hundred even what-- 586 00:33:29,173 --> 00:33:33,219 what the traumatic effect on my mind and body was. 587 00:33:33,970 --> 00:33:35,722 And I said I wanted to talk to somebody. 588 00:33:35,805 --> 00:33:37,557 Just someone to talk to-- 589 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:39,851 I needed a friend, I needed somebody close. 590 00:33:39,934 --> 00:33:42,937 I didn't want a cop or an attorney. I was sick and tired of cops. 591 00:33:43,438 --> 00:33:45,940 I needed somebody there. Somebody to talk to. 592 00:33:46,399 --> 00:33:47,859 Somebody to settle me down 593 00:33:47,942 --> 00:33:50,445 and to help me get over this... 594 00:33:51,195 --> 00:33:54,073 reaction I was having being back in custody. 595 00:33:54,699 --> 00:33:56,993 He finally identified himself 596 00:33:57,076 --> 00:34:00,621 in exchange for a phone call to his girlfriend Liz. 597 00:34:03,291 --> 00:34:08,337 [male investigator] The date is 2/21/78. The time is 15:20 hours. 598 00:34:08,796 --> 00:34:11,883 This will be an interview with Elizabeth Kloepfer. 599 00:34:12,675 --> 00:34:15,845 Could you begin on February 16th, '78 600 00:34:15,928 --> 00:34:19,599 and describe the telephone call that you received from Ted Bundy? 601 00:34:19,682 --> 00:34:22,727 [woman] Uh, he called collect, my daughter accepted the charges. 602 00:34:22,810 --> 00:34:26,773 And he said that he was in custody and I asked him where and he said Florida. 603 00:34:27,231 --> 00:34:28,733 He repeated over and over again 604 00:34:28,816 --> 00:34:30,818 that this was really going to be bad when it broke. 605 00:34:30,902 --> 00:34:32,820 That it was not going to break until tomorrow morning 606 00:34:32,904 --> 00:34:35,656 and be in the press, but it was going to be really ugly. 607 00:34:35,740 --> 00:34:37,366 And I asked him... 608 00:34:37,867 --> 00:34:40,787 if he was referring to the murders of some sorority girls in Florida, 609 00:34:40,870 --> 00:34:43,998 and he said that he wouldn't talk about it. 610 00:34:44,874 --> 00:34:48,211 He told me that he wished that we could sit down and talk about... 611 00:34:48,961 --> 00:34:50,838 things without anyone listening. 612 00:34:50,922 --> 00:34:53,758 About why he was the way he is, and I said, 613 00:34:53,841 --> 00:34:55,927 "Are you telling me that you're sick?" 614 00:34:56,010 --> 00:35:00,723 And he said-- He was really defensive and he told me to back off. 615 00:35:01,516 --> 00:35:04,685 Saturday morning at two, he called again... collect. 616 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:09,482 And he said that he wanted to talk about what we'd been talking about. 617 00:35:10,441 --> 00:35:12,652 He told me that he was sick and that he... 618 00:35:13,778 --> 00:35:16,656 was consumed by something that he didn't understand 619 00:35:16,739 --> 00:35:18,741 and that, um... 620 00:35:19,659 --> 00:35:20,576 that it-- 621 00:35:21,619 --> 00:35:23,329 that he just couldn't contain it. 622 00:35:23,704 --> 00:35:28,793 He spent so much time trying to maintain a normal life and he just couldn't do it. 623 00:35:28,876 --> 00:35:31,546 He said that he was preoccupied with this force. 624 00:35:33,756 --> 00:35:37,635 [Michaud] Ted was identified, and at that point, the jig's up, right? 625 00:35:38,594 --> 00:35:40,638 [reporter] The police in Pensacola, Florida, 626 00:35:40,721 --> 00:35:43,891 stopped a man driving a stolen car and found to their surprise, 627 00:35:43,975 --> 00:35:46,769 and perhaps pleasure, it was Theodore Robert Bundy, 628 00:35:46,853 --> 00:35:50,148 one of the ten most wanted criminals in this country. 629 00:35:50,231 --> 00:35:54,944 [Michaud] It was remarkable that Ted was able to elude the police for so long. 630 00:35:55,278 --> 00:35:58,114 But Ted had that sort of chameleon-like face 631 00:35:58,197 --> 00:36:02,243 that could look 100 different ways, depending on the angle that you caught it. 632 00:36:02,326 --> 00:36:07,707 He was handsome and smooth-talking. That allowed him to do what he did. 633 00:36:08,457 --> 00:36:12,461 And Ted told me that after he escaped Colorado, 634 00:36:12,545 --> 00:36:13,880 he got himself on a bus, 635 00:36:15,089 --> 00:36:17,592 took the bus to Denver. 636 00:36:19,177 --> 00:36:22,513 At Denver, he got a flight to Chicago. 637 00:36:24,182 --> 00:36:27,894 In Chicago he got on an Amtrak train and went to Ann Arbor, 638 00:36:28,853 --> 00:36:33,691 and was there to watch his alma mater, the University of Washington, 639 00:36:33,774 --> 00:36:36,194 play the University of Michigan in the Rose Bowl. 640 00:36:40,114 --> 00:36:42,325 He got drunk watching it in a college bar 641 00:36:42,825 --> 00:36:45,536 and almost got himself beat to shit by a bunch of Michigan fans. 642 00:36:46,329 --> 00:36:49,248 Spent the night in the sanctuary of a Methodist church, 643 00:36:49,916 --> 00:36:51,584 stole a car the next day, 644 00:36:52,501 --> 00:36:54,212 and got as far as... 645 00:36:54,837 --> 00:36:57,006 Atlanta, where he abandons it. 646 00:36:58,674 --> 00:37:01,344 He then takes a bus to... 647 00:37:01,427 --> 00:37:04,388 Tallahassee and Florida State University. 648 00:37:08,351 --> 00:37:10,144 [man] Well, why Florida in the first place? 649 00:37:10,228 --> 00:37:14,482 [Bundy] It was the very opposite end of the country from the Pacific Northwest. 650 00:37:15,316 --> 00:37:16,901 Not that I disliked the northern climate, 651 00:37:16,984 --> 00:37:19,403 but I didn't have the clothing and it was... 652 00:37:19,487 --> 00:37:21,322 It'd just be harder to get around 653 00:37:21,697 --> 00:37:25,034 and to live in a cold climate when you didn't have any money. 654 00:37:25,576 --> 00:37:29,121 I didn't know anybody in Florida, and I thought the likelihood 655 00:37:29,205 --> 00:37:33,042 that Florida would know anything about Ted Bundy was remote. 656 00:37:33,834 --> 00:37:37,755 [McChesney] The fact that Ted was able to escape and get into Florida 657 00:37:37,838 --> 00:37:39,882 through a circuitous route 658 00:37:40,466 --> 00:37:44,053 sounds crazy, but back in the late '70s, 659 00:37:44,136 --> 00:37:46,764 we didn't have the technology that we have now. 660 00:37:48,808 --> 00:37:51,686 [Michaud] The authorities, including the FBI, 661 00:37:51,769 --> 00:37:54,605 had a very limited number of tools. 662 00:37:57,316 --> 00:38:01,988 No DNA, you know, no teletypes-- They didn't even have fax machines. 663 00:38:05,116 --> 00:38:08,160 You know, imagine a world where most of the communication 664 00:38:08,244 --> 00:38:11,872 is done by US mail or rotary telephones. 665 00:38:12,873 --> 00:38:17,169 And so they were always at least a step behind Ted. 666 00:38:17,712 --> 00:38:21,257 And he believed, "I can't get caught doing this." 667 00:38:23,342 --> 00:38:25,970 [Katsaris] After all the grief that he created, 668 00:38:26,762 --> 00:38:28,514 it was a traffic stop! 669 00:38:29,974 --> 00:38:33,352 A traffic stop that we got him on. 670 00:38:33,436 --> 00:38:36,897 [male reporter] Authorities say they can place Bundy in Tallahassee in January 671 00:38:36,981 --> 00:38:41,402 and he has become a prime suspect in the Chi Omega sorority house murders. 672 00:38:51,787 --> 00:38:53,789 [indistinct clamoring] 673 00:39:01,505 --> 00:39:04,550 [Keppel] I believe Kathy McChesney read it in the newspaper 674 00:39:04,633 --> 00:39:09,055 that Bundy had been arrested in Florida. 675 00:39:09,138 --> 00:39:11,390 So we were pleased to know it. 676 00:39:11,474 --> 00:39:13,809 We weren't pleased that somebody was murdered, but... 677 00:39:14,643 --> 00:39:16,145 {\an8}certainly it was, uh... 678 00:39:16,937 --> 00:39:17,897 {\an8}a good start. 679 00:39:19,106 --> 00:39:21,650 [McChesney] Ted was a absolutely prime suspect 680 00:39:21,734 --> 00:39:22,943 for the Chi Omega, 681 00:39:23,361 --> 00:39:29,158 and he was placed just, you know, within miles... 682 00:39:29,241 --> 00:39:31,744 of where the offenses occurred. 683 00:39:32,828 --> 00:39:35,373 [reporter] Many of the 21 credit cards Bundy had with him 684 00:39:35,456 --> 00:39:36,832 were stolen in Sherrod's, 685 00:39:37,291 --> 00:39:40,669 a bar next to the Chi Omega sorority, on Jefferson Avenue. 686 00:39:40,753 --> 00:39:43,297 {\an8}[reporter #2] Bundy lived in this house, which is four blocks 687 00:39:43,381 --> 00:39:44,965 from the Chi Omega sorority. 688 00:39:45,049 --> 00:39:48,094 He was there for several weeks before and after the killings. 689 00:39:48,928 --> 00:39:51,639 Frances Messier lived across the hall from Bundy 690 00:39:51,722 --> 00:39:53,307 and knew him as Chris. 691 00:39:53,391 --> 00:39:54,850 What kind of person was he? 692 00:39:55,559 --> 00:39:57,812 Um, a quiet-type person. 693 00:39:59,647 --> 00:40:02,024 {\an8}Aloof and friendly. 694 00:40:02,108 --> 00:40:04,068 You'd gone out to dinner with him one time? 695 00:40:04,527 --> 00:40:06,070 We went out to dinner once. 696 00:40:07,154 --> 00:40:09,365 Yes, that, that's kinda... [chuckles] 697 00:40:13,536 --> 00:40:16,163 {\an8}[Dekle] At this point, Bundy was also a suspect 698 00:40:16,664 --> 00:40:19,417 as the potential killer of Kim Leach. 699 00:40:19,959 --> 00:40:22,253 {\an8}We tracked a number of stolen credit cards 700 00:40:22,336 --> 00:40:24,130 {\an8}that we found in his possession 701 00:40:24,755 --> 00:40:28,259 {\an8}and found that he had spent the night at the Lake City Holiday Inn 702 00:40:28,634 --> 00:40:30,636 {\an8}two and a half miles from... 703 00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:34,265 the Lake City Junior High School the night before Kim went missing. 704 00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:38,102 Uh, that's a pretty good indication you might want to look at him 705 00:40:38,185 --> 00:40:39,478 as a possible suspect. 706 00:40:40,104 --> 00:40:42,773 [male reporter] Bundy allegedly spent the evening after he checked in 707 00:40:42,857 --> 00:40:44,483 sitting in the motel's bar, 708 00:40:44,567 --> 00:40:48,279 sipping gin while chatting with a man next to him for several hours. 709 00:40:48,779 --> 00:40:50,948 Bundy checked out of the Lake City Holiday Inn 710 00:40:51,031 --> 00:40:53,117 the next morning at about 7:30, 711 00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:55,786 the same morning Kimberly Leach disappeared. 712 00:40:56,370 --> 00:40:59,165 But before we could make any kind of a homicide case, 713 00:40:59,248 --> 00:41:00,458 we had to find the body. 714 00:41:01,625 --> 00:41:04,462 And some time about a month and a half later, 715 00:41:04,545 --> 00:41:06,755 we had found what we were looking for. 716 00:41:08,007 --> 00:41:10,009 [reporter] Eight weeks of searching led to her body. 717 00:41:10,092 --> 00:41:13,179 in a deserted tin shack, next to an empty hog pen. 718 00:41:15,848 --> 00:41:17,892 [Dekle] Worst thing in the world a prosecutor can do 719 00:41:17,975 --> 00:41:19,768 is get personally involved in a case. 720 00:41:21,395 --> 00:41:24,190 And, uh... I had not cried 721 00:41:24,565 --> 00:41:26,192 in my entire adult life. 722 00:41:26,275 --> 00:41:28,652 I hadn't cried since I was a teenager. 723 00:41:29,570 --> 00:41:32,406 I cried the day we found Kim Leach's body. 724 00:41:37,536 --> 00:41:40,372 She was just a... smart, intelligent, 725 00:41:40,706 --> 00:41:41,707 obedient, 726 00:41:42,374 --> 00:41:44,168 little girl who, uh... 727 00:41:44,877 --> 00:41:46,337 reminded me of my daughter. 728 00:41:48,130 --> 00:41:50,341 [woman] To actually have a 12-year-old child 729 00:41:50,424 --> 00:41:51,967 taken from our community 730 00:41:52,551 --> 00:41:54,011 and brutally murdered 731 00:41:54,094 --> 00:41:56,013 by some monster-- 732 00:41:56,096 --> 00:41:59,016 Just grabbed her up and took her away-- 733 00:41:59,266 --> 00:42:01,727 It's just shock and disbelief. 734 00:42:08,776 --> 00:42:10,236 [Katsaris] I told Ted Bundy, 735 00:42:10,319 --> 00:42:14,323 we now have the evidence to charge him with both cases. 736 00:42:16,283 --> 00:42:21,997 He looked at me and said, "When you find the person... 737 00:42:22,873 --> 00:42:27,336 that committed these crimes that you think I committed... 738 00:42:28,462 --> 00:42:29,755 that person... 739 00:42:30,339 --> 00:42:33,801 is going to be wanted for... 740 00:42:34,927 --> 00:42:36,762 murders of women 741 00:42:37,596 --> 00:42:39,390 in the three digits... 742 00:42:41,517 --> 00:42:42,393 and... 743 00:42:43,727 --> 00:42:45,062 six states." 744 00:42:46,772 --> 00:42:48,774 And he put his fingers up like that. 745 00:42:52,528 --> 00:42:54,822 {\an8}[Dekle] Ted Bundy was one mad-dog killer 746 00:42:55,072 --> 00:42:56,782 {\an8}and I wanted him executed, 747 00:42:56,865 --> 00:42:59,994 {\an8}but he had not been indicted in either case. 748 00:43:01,245 --> 00:43:05,708 So I spent a good deal of time in Tallahassee conferring with the, uh, 749 00:43:05,791 --> 00:43:08,711 prosecutors in Tallahassee about the Tallahassee case. 750 00:43:09,086 --> 00:43:11,213 Which case should be tried first. 751 00:43:12,256 --> 00:43:13,632 I felt that, uh, 752 00:43:13,716 --> 00:43:16,677 Bundy ought to be tried in Tallahassee first, 753 00:43:17,011 --> 00:43:20,097 because they had a much more secure jail in Tallahassee. 754 00:43:22,349 --> 00:43:25,227 [Katsaris] My goal was to never... 755 00:43:25,686 --> 00:43:29,315 ever allow him to kill another young lady. 756 00:43:30,441 --> 00:43:33,986 So we put him into a secure portion of the jail. 757 00:43:34,945 --> 00:43:37,364 And then we had three locks on the door: 758 00:43:37,531 --> 00:43:41,619 the traditional key lock, the big key, the jail key, 759 00:43:41,702 --> 00:43:45,289 and then two very large, uh... 760 00:43:45,372 --> 00:43:47,958 very, very strong padlocks. 761 00:43:51,545 --> 00:43:53,922 One night, I did something unusual. 762 00:43:54,548 --> 00:43:58,427 And I went to his cell and I said, "Ted you're coming with me." 763 00:43:58,802 --> 00:44:01,889 And he said, "This is a change-up. This is different." 764 00:44:03,182 --> 00:44:04,850 I said, "We're going for a ride." 765 00:44:05,142 --> 00:44:07,394 And that didn't go over real well. 766 00:44:08,103 --> 00:44:10,356 I believe he thought I was going to take him for a ride 767 00:44:10,439 --> 00:44:12,358 from which he would never return, 768 00:44:12,900 --> 00:44:14,693 that I was going to exercise 769 00:44:15,027 --> 00:44:18,405 some kind of authority as the sheriff to do him in. 770 00:44:20,324 --> 00:44:22,993 We transported him with a series of cars 771 00:44:23,494 --> 00:44:28,248 and as we opened the back door to go up the stairway, the back entrance, 772 00:44:29,416 --> 00:44:32,920 doors swung open, and there stood these three doctors 773 00:44:33,003 --> 00:44:36,757 their white smocks on, and behind them was a dental chair. 774 00:44:37,091 --> 00:44:39,176 And he lost it. 775 00:44:41,011 --> 00:44:43,555 He didn't know that what I had 776 00:44:43,639 --> 00:44:46,266 was a bite mark from the crime scene, 777 00:44:46,350 --> 00:44:50,521 which, I believed at the time, was Ted Bundy's signature, 778 00:44:50,938 --> 00:44:54,483 and we wanted to search any and all parts of his mouth 779 00:44:54,566 --> 00:44:55,943 including his teeth. 780 00:44:57,486 --> 00:44:58,904 Well, he started screaming, 781 00:44:58,987 --> 00:45:01,198 "You can't do this without my attorney." 782 00:45:01,281 --> 00:45:03,158 I said, "Oh, yes, we can. 783 00:45:04,118 --> 00:45:07,788 Ted, we have a warrant and we're serving it on you." 784 00:45:08,372 --> 00:45:12,459 We showed him the devices that we could use as a degree of force. 785 00:45:13,836 --> 00:45:19,425 Then on a dime, his mindset changed like it was a different person. 786 00:45:21,260 --> 00:45:22,594 He looked at me... 787 00:45:23,721 --> 00:45:24,972 he turned around... 788 00:45:25,764 --> 00:45:27,599 he sat in the dental chair... 789 00:45:28,100 --> 00:45:29,435 he leaned back... 790 00:45:30,144 --> 00:45:31,395 put a smile on 791 00:45:31,854 --> 00:45:32,855 and said, 792 00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:34,398 "Ken, 793 00:45:35,274 --> 00:45:37,359 you know you don't need all that stuff. 794 00:45:37,776 --> 00:45:39,737 I'm not a violent person." 795 00:45:40,279 --> 00:45:41,488 He opened his mouth. 796 00:45:42,072 --> 00:45:43,782 He said, "Do what you have to do." 797 00:45:53,876 --> 00:45:58,172 [Hula] Everybody realized that there was somebody very special 798 00:45:58,255 --> 00:46:01,800 being held by the police in Tallahassee. 799 00:46:02,301 --> 00:46:05,971 The dots began to connect from all across the country. 800 00:46:06,346 --> 00:46:10,934 From Washington State to Utah, through the Rockies to Florida. 801 00:46:11,018 --> 00:46:16,023 We became a focal point of criminal justice inquiries 802 00:46:16,106 --> 00:46:17,524 in the weeks that followed. 803 00:46:18,233 --> 00:46:20,819 [Katsaris] Other investigators came to the jail 804 00:46:21,236 --> 00:46:25,449 to try to interview him for other cases they were working on, 805 00:46:25,532 --> 00:46:27,075 for which they didn't have evidence. 806 00:46:27,159 --> 00:46:29,661 That had to wait, because we had evidence 807 00:46:29,745 --> 00:46:31,997 and we had Ted Bundy in our custody, 808 00:46:32,498 --> 00:46:35,876 something the other investigators never had the luxury of. 809 00:46:35,959 --> 00:46:40,839 So I wasn't going to divert from the path we set. Period. 810 00:46:42,341 --> 00:46:44,968 And I will tell you I had a personal vengeance 811 00:46:45,052 --> 00:46:47,095 for the person that did this. 812 00:46:55,354 --> 00:46:57,397 I wanted to be the one to tell him 813 00:46:57,481 --> 00:47:00,275 that the grand jurors of this county 814 00:47:00,359 --> 00:47:02,069 have indicted you for murder. 815 00:47:06,198 --> 00:47:09,076 [Bundy] Gentlemen, I'm not gonna be paraded for Ken Katsaris' benefit. 816 00:47:09,159 --> 00:47:10,494 Step out, Mr. Bundy. 817 00:47:15,541 --> 00:47:17,292 [Bundy] What do we have here, Ken? Let's see. 818 00:47:17,376 --> 00:47:20,838 Oh, it's an indictment? All right. Why don't you read it to me? 819 00:47:20,921 --> 00:47:22,548 You're about up for election, aren't you? 820 00:47:23,048 --> 00:47:25,342 -This is how you got it, didn't you? -Mr. Bundy-- 821 00:47:25,425 --> 00:47:27,469 You told me, that you were going to get me. 822 00:47:27,553 --> 00:47:30,305 He said he was going to get me, okay? You got me indicted. 823 00:47:30,389 --> 00:47:33,392 It's all you're going to get. Just read it. Let's go. 824 00:47:34,184 --> 00:47:35,853 Theodore Robert Bundy, 825 00:47:35,936 --> 00:47:39,481 you are charged, indictment, two counts of burglary, 826 00:47:39,565 --> 00:47:42,401 and, uh, two counts murder in the first degree, 827 00:47:42,734 --> 00:47:46,196 three counts attempted murder in the first degree. 828 00:47:46,530 --> 00:47:49,074 In the name of, and by the authority of the State of Florida, 829 00:47:49,157 --> 00:47:52,244 the grand jurors of the State of Florida and panel that's sworn to inquire 830 00:47:52,327 --> 00:47:54,663 and true presentment make. And therefore the County of Leon 831 00:47:54,746 --> 00:47:57,416 upon their oath do present that Theodore Robert Bundy, 832 00:47:57,499 --> 00:48:00,168 on the 15th day of January 1978, 833 00:48:00,252 --> 00:48:03,589 in Leon County, Florida, did then there unlawfully kill a human being 834 00:48:03,672 --> 00:48:06,466 to wit: Margaret Bowman, by strangling and/or beating her, 835 00:48:06,550 --> 00:48:09,511 and said killing was perpetrated by said Theodore Robert Bundy, 836 00:48:09,595 --> 00:48:11,346 from or with a premeditated design 837 00:48:11,430 --> 00:48:13,515 or attempt to affect the death of said Margaret Bowman, 838 00:48:13,974 --> 00:48:16,518 contrary to Section 810-02 Florida Statutes. 839 00:48:16,602 --> 00:48:18,520 -Very good. -And your grand jurors being present 840 00:48:18,604 --> 00:48:20,898 further give the court to be informed and understand... 841 00:48:20,981 --> 00:48:26,028 [Hula] It wasn't a press conference. It was a staged perp walk 842 00:48:26,111 --> 00:48:28,071 by Sheriff Ken Katsaris. 843 00:48:28,530 --> 00:48:34,328 to make a big deal out of him arresting and charging Theodore Bundy. 844 00:48:35,245 --> 00:48:39,041 Katsaris in his black suit, and his cowboy boots on. 845 00:48:39,499 --> 00:48:42,586 It was part political theater, part crime drama. 846 00:48:43,086 --> 00:48:45,923 Said killing was perpetrated by said Theodore Robert Bundy 847 00:48:46,006 --> 00:48:50,636 from or with a premeditated design or attempt to affect the death 848 00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:53,597 -of said Lisa Levy... -My chance to talk to the press. 849 00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:56,600 ...contrary to section 780-204 Florida statutes. 850 00:48:56,683 --> 00:48:58,185 I'll plead not guilty right now. 851 00:48:58,268 --> 00:49:01,146 And your grand jurors being present in said court further gives the court 852 00:49:01,229 --> 00:49:03,023 to be informed and understand that Theodore Bundy 853 00:49:03,106 --> 00:49:06,318 -on the 15th day of January-- -Can I talk to the press when you're done? 854 00:49:06,401 --> 00:49:09,571 did then and there unlawfully attempt to kill a human being to wit... 855 00:49:09,655 --> 00:49:13,075 [Bundy] It ceased to be an issue whether or not I was innocent or guilty. 856 00:49:13,575 --> 00:49:15,786 The issue now is, "Can we pin it on him?" 857 00:49:15,869 --> 00:49:19,831 [stuttering] Can we follow through and maintain our reputation 858 00:49:19,915 --> 00:49:21,583 as law enforcement officers? 859 00:49:22,793 --> 00:49:27,089 The police aren't willing to accept what I think they know, 860 00:49:27,172 --> 00:49:29,383 and they know that I didn't do these things. 861 00:49:29,758 --> 00:49:32,386 That is the indictment handed down by the grand jury. 862 00:49:32,970 --> 00:49:35,138 -Is that my copy? -No, it is not. 863 00:49:35,222 --> 00:49:37,891 -Do I get a copy? -We have your copy. You have the copy? 864 00:49:37,975 --> 00:49:39,017 Can I have a copy? 865 00:49:39,768 --> 00:49:40,811 How about the case? 866 00:49:41,436 --> 00:49:43,397 -You get that. -Can I talk to the press? 867 00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:44,690 I mean, you had your chance. 868 00:49:45,023 --> 00:49:48,318 You've displayed the prisoner, now I think it's my turn. 869 00:49:49,695 --> 00:49:52,072 I've been kept in isolation for six months, 870 00:49:52,155 --> 00:49:54,992 I've been kept away from the press, I've been buried by you, 871 00:49:55,075 --> 00:49:58,370 you've been talking for six months, I think it's my turn now. 872 00:49:58,912 --> 00:49:59,871 All right? 873 00:50:00,330 --> 00:50:02,749 We got a court order that there won't be any press interviews. 874 00:50:02,833 --> 00:50:05,210 Sure there won't be any press interviews. You've given them up. 875 00:50:05,293 --> 00:50:06,920 I-- I'm gagged, you're not. 876 00:50:07,004 --> 00:50:07,921 All right. 877 00:50:08,005 --> 00:50:09,047 I'll be heard. 877 00:50:10,305 --> 00:51:10,860 -== [ www.OpenSubtitles.org ] ==-