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Who are the real-world Illuminati ?
Find out @ saveanilluminati.com
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[male reporter]
Join us now. Sisterhood is powerful.
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The battle cry
of the Women's Liberation Movement
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brings out down New York's Fifth Avenue
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as more than 10,000 militant feminists
stage a one-day strike for equal rights.
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[woman] In the late '60s and '70s,
the women's movement opened up
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a number of doors
for women to have choices
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{\an8}to be whatever they wanted to be.
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Equal rights. Equal rights to have a job,
to have respect,
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to not be viewed as a piece of meat.
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[McChesney] There was
a lot more Independence,
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a lot more empowerment.
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[woman] This will continue
as a political coalition
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to win the unfinished revolution
of women's equality.
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[McChesney] Women were a lot freer.
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Hitchhiking, for example,
was not a big deal.
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But because there was
more of an open society,
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new types of crimes against women
became more common.
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And in the Pacific Northwest at the time,
there was someone...
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evil out there...
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doing really horrible things to women.
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[Bundy] A person of this type
chooses his victims for a reason.
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His victims are young attractive women.
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Women are possessions.
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Beings which are subservient,
more often than not, to males.
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Women are merchandise.
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From the pornographic, through Playboy,
right on up to the evening news.
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So there is no denying
the sexual component.
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However, sex has significance
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only in the context
of a much broader scheme of things.
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That is possession, control, violence.
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[theme music playing]
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{\an8}[male reporter] Police are focused in
on their investigation into the cases
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of missing women in Washington State.
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[reporter #2] King County police launched
their investigation after Denise Naslund
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{\an8}and Janice Ott disappeared
from Lake Sammamish State Park.
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{\an8}A special 11-man task force
was flooded with calls from witnesses
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who said they had seen the suspect:
a man who called himself Ted.
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[man] Eight women disappeared
in and around Washington State
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over six months.
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{\an8}As far as I was concerned,
it was new territory.
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[man] All the girls
were between the ages of 18 and 21,
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{\an8}four of the girls attended,
were attending colleges.
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Same hairstyle...
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all very similar in appearance,
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and when they disappeared,
they left their personal effects.
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[Keppel] Everybody we could find,
anybody who'd call in, we talked to.
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[man] Thank you very much for calling.
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[man #2] Police were getting reports
that Ted was at Central State College
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and at the Seattle Tavern,
where two other girls had disappeared.
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And soon, Ted was being spotted
behind every tree, behind every bush.
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[McChesney]
We were working 12, 14 hours a day
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{\an8}nearly every day of the week.
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{\an8}We weren't sure if we had a suspect
whose name was really Ted or not,
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but that name
brought forth thousands of leads.
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We looked through databases,
driver's licenses,
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criminal records to see who we had
that might be Ted or Theodore.
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Middle name, first name, uh, nickname.
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We were also looking for someone
driving a light brown Volkswagen Bug.
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[Keppel] I don't know
if you know how many Bugs
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there were in the State of Washington
during that time.
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You wanna guess?
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Forty-two thousand.
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That's what we were dealing with.
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Masses of information.
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[McChesney]
We started with literally 1,000 names.
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Then we looked at suspects
who we had maybe of the name of Ted
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who drove that kind of a car,
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whom perhaps people had reported
as being a little strange.
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We put all those things together
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and we narrowed the number
of potential offenders down to 100.
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But at that time,
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we didn't have enough resources
to manage the data quickly.
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Everything was slow.
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[man] This is a little different
than, uh, most homicide cases.
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{\an8}We have witnesses that observed
our suspect, quote, "Ted."
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{\an8}I think one of these days we'll find him.
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I don't--
I can't tell you when, but we will.
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[man] After several weeks
of conversations with Ted on death row,
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when he started
talking in the third person,
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that was the breakthrough.
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{\an8}Our relationship changed
at that moment...
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{\an8}from me being
just another goddamn reporter
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to me being the conduit for Ted
being able to finally tell this story.
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[Bundy]
Now let's consider the possibility
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that this person suffered
from some sort of acute onset
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of a desire
that resulted in killing young women.
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How do you account for it?
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[Michaud]
Ted started laying out the history
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of what he
would soon come to call "the entity."
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At its start, it's just a feeling.
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First, this individual,
as he called himself,
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developed a pornography habit.
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[Bundy] The early manifestations
of this condition,
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which is an interest
concerning sexual images.
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[Michaud] Mm-hmm.
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[Bundy] Your standard fare
that you'd see in the movie house
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or in Playboy magazine.
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[Michaud] Gradually, this kind
of malign part of this individual
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started connecting...
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naked women with violence.
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[Bundy] The interest becomes skewed
toward a more specialized literature--
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some of it pretty grotesque,
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which would preoccupy him
more and more.
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I asked him,
"When does this individual first act out?"
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[Bundy] It would reach a point
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where the anger, the frustration,
the anxiety, the poor self-image
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feeling cheated, wronged, insecure...
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he decides upon young attractive women
being his victims.
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The feeling grew and grew
until the entity controlled him,
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and he would hear a voice
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and he did as the entity told him to do.
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[Bundy] One particular evening,
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he was driving down a fairly dark street,
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and saw a girl walking along the street.
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And parked his car
and ran up behind the girl
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and she heard him, she turned around,
and he brandished the knife,
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and grabbed her by the arm,
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and told her to do what wanted her to do.
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When he really got going,
his eyes went absolutely black.
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He had very blue eyes,
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but his eyes would go black.
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[Bundy] Let's say he placed his hands
around her throat
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just to throttle her into unconsciousness
so that she wouldn't scream anymore.
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When the need
of that malignant condition
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had been satisfied
through sexual release,
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he realized
that he couldn't let the girl go.
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So killing, to a degree,
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will become a way of destroying evidence.
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But the act of killing
becomes an end in itself.
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[indistinct chatter]
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[man] Steven had got Ted
talking in the third person.
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So we had a meeting, the three of us.
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{\an8}It was very strange, sitting...
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{\an8}a few feet...
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{\an8}three feet from a... guy like that.
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He would not look me
in the eye very often.
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I found myself,
and this sort of strange...
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I would almost be mesmerized
for a few moments...
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looking at his hands.
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Thinking, "My God,
what did those hands do?"
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[McChesney] After approximately a month,
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there was nothing new really coming in.
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[indistinct chatter]
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Okay, what address does she have?
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[McChesney] The big leap came
when we received a call from a woman
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who said,
"I'm concerned about my boyfriend
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named Ted Bundy,
whom you should look at."
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[young Keppel] This will be an interview
with Elizabeth Kloepfer. K-L-O-E-P-F-E-R.
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Are you aware
that this interview is being taped?
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[Kloepfer] Yes.
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-[Keppel] Is it taped with your approval?
-Yes.
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[Michaud] Ted and Liz
had a very complex relationship.
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Their relationship
had started rocking back and forth,
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and it left Liz in a real mess.
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There were these hints
that there was something deeper
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and more complex about Ted
than she had previously suspected.
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[Kloepfer] Uh, he... mentioned an incident
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about following a sorority girl.
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When he was out late at night,
he would follow people like that.
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That he'd try not to, but--
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but he just did it anyway.
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[Michaud] She found a bag
of women's underclothing
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in his apartment.
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She found a bowl filled with house keys.
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There was some plaster of Paris
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Another time she found a knife
under the right front seat of his car.
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[Kloepfer] The night
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he'd been with me and my family,
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and he left early in the evening
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daughter's baptism.
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And then he said,
"It's pretty scary, isn't it?"
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[McChesney] She reported
suspicious behavior on his part,
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and she was, frankly, afraid.
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But she was not certain.
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[Kloepfer] In my own mind,
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there were coincidences
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{\an8}Yet when I would think
about our day-to-day relationship,
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{\an8}there was nothing there
that would lead me to think
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{\an8}that he was a violent man
capable of doing something like that.
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[McChesney] We had a lot of women
who called and said,
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"I'm concerned
that my boyfriend might be this offender."
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Whether his name was Ted or not.
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But this Ted was about the right age,
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he was
about the right physical description.
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He was familiar
with the University of Washington
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because he lived
in the university district.
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He did have that kind of a car.
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So there were a lot of things
that started to add up.
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[Keppel] We even found information
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that this Ted had been
to Lake Sammamish State Park
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the weekend before
the Lake Sammamish event happened.
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[McChesney] So, where was Ted Bundy
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on these various days
when those women went missing?
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Was he anywhere where somebody
could provide an alibi for him?
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As it turned out,
as we continued to look at his life,
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there wasn't any alibi.
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So Ted was a... absolutely prime suspect.
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[Bundy] After Lake Sammamish,
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they were working from a list
of hundreds upon hundreds of leads.
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So the emphasis becomes
on don't get caught.
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Then it becomes a matter
of disposing of the problem...
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without leaving any, uh, evidence.
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[man] They finally had
their first possible suspect.
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At that point,
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the captain of Seattle homicide,
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{\an8}he had me do some ride-alongs
with some of his detectives,
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staking out a suspect
at the University of Washington.
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I was in the back seat
of an undercover car
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with two plain-clothed policemen
staking out somebody.
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We just sat there all night long
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on a radio, listening for...
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any movement of his car,
and there never was.
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And I didn't know at the time, in fact,
didn't realize until some time later,
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it was Ted Bundy's car.
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[McChesney] At that point,
we did have a photograph of Ted.
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and we prepared photo lineups
and showed to witnesses
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who had been
at Lake Sammamish Park.
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[reporter] The photograph of Ted Bundy
was shown to at least eight witnesses
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from Lake Sammamish.
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Seven positively said
Ted Bundy was not the mysterious Ted.
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[McChesney] It was a surprise
that they felt that it was not him.
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So, we didn't have
definitive identification
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that this indeed was the person
who had committed these crimes.
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But I certainly wish that we had.
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There were no fingerprints.
There were no eyewitnesses.
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There was nothing physically
that would connect Ted to the crimes.
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They had nothing to charge him with.
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Ted was never brought in
for an official police interview.
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[Bundy]
I suppose they could be faulted for not...
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actually coming out and talking to me,
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but on the other hand
they can't be faulted.
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Which one are they gonna pick,
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the law student
with no criminal background
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or are they going to go after
the guy with the...
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arrest record for robbery,
or you know, the types?
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The real weirdos.
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People don't realize that murderers
do not come out in the dark
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with long teeth
and saliva dripping off their chin.
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Everybody wanted this Ted
to be somebody you could pick out.
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He wasn't that way.
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[Keppel] We didn't have
any information at that time
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that we could have charged Bundy
with murder.
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That's what people don't understand.
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[female reporter]
Where does this investigation now stand?
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Police officials will not discuss
this King County investigation
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because it is still an active case.
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No one will or can confirm
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that the investigation
continues on other suspects.
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[McChesney] In any investigation,
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you will reach some point
where you run out of leads.
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So we stopped
the full task force at that point.
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But there was also the fact
that the murders had seemed to stop.
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So we didn't know
if the person had died,
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had left the area, had just stopped...
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committing these crimes on their own.
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[male reporter]
What it was evident this spring
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that the investigation
had reached a dead end,
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police admitted
that they could only catch Ted
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if he committed another crime
and got caught.
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[Bundy] I loved Utah.
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I decided that I was moving down there
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in September of '74.
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Hopped on the interstate
going south toward Provo.
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All of a sudden I felt--
I felt almost euphoric.
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I just looked out the window
and watched the scenery and...
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dreamed and reminisced and...
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generally maintained
a real good feeling I had
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all the way into Utah.
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Ted moved to Salt Lake City
to start law school
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{\an8}at the University of Utah.
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{\an8}I did not understand
why Ted went off to Utah for law school.
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{\an8}I advised him to go
to University of Puget Sound.
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{\an8}'Cause that was the school
I was going to.
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But he was insistent
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and I was surprised
that he went off to Utah.
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[Bundy]
We are dealing with an individual
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whose primary concern
is not to be detected.
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The individual's modus operandi was
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-moving large amounts of distance...
-Mm-hmm.
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...in an attempt
to camouflage what he was doing.
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And that he was also
able to take advantage
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of the anonymity factor.
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[Michaud] The Ted people saw in Utah
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was pretty much the same
mild-mannered law student
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that he projected
in the State of Washington.
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And that's what Ted did,
he snowed people.
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[man] Ted Bundy befriended me in 1974.
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{\an8}I was what we call a branch president
in the Mormon church.
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One day, two members in our branch
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had knocked on the door of, uh, Ted Bundy.
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They got talking
and he expressed an interest.
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Eventually,
he became a member of the church.
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He was baptized...
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and then he was placed in our branch.
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♪ Put your shoulder to the wheel... ♪
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[Bundy] He's probably so caught up
in living a dual life that...
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he'd been enmeshed
in that continuing cycle
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of trying to maintain a normal life.
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He would modify his behavior
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to make him a sound, stable,
law-abiding individual.
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[Preece]
I felt that he was a handsome young man
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that seemed to have his life
pretty much in order.
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He came to the activities.
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He came to the church meetings and, uh...
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responded in a positive way.
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So I thought that things were
good for him for the future.
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{\an8}[woman] Summer of '74 was just fun.
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{\an8}A fun summer.
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I was 18.
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Graduated from high school
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{\an8}and got a job at the local phone company.
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I had gotten a car, '74 Camaro.
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Maroon with black leather seats
and a black top.
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[laughs]
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And I just started dating a guy
who had a matching Camaro.
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Everything was great.
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I wasn't worried about anything.
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And then I heard about a girl
in a city next door, Midvale.
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She had been found murdered.
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She was a police chief's daughter.
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It was very alarming,
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but there wasn't a lot of information
to cause me to be in a panic.
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{\an8}[reporter] Melissa Smith left her father
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{\an8}to meet a friend
at this Midvale restaurant.
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{\an8}They talked for a while
and then Melissa left.
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She set for home. She never got there.
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Nine days later, Melissa's body
was found in Summit County.
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She had been beaten
and strangled with a nylon stocking.
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{\an8}I don't want another parent
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{\an8}to go through
what my wife and I went through.
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{\an8}I don't think that's right.
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I want to know that--
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that the young girls
are safe on the street.
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[Michaud] In the Autumn of 1974,
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there were two other disappearances
in the state of Utah.
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{\an8}Nancy Wilcox vanished
after leaving her house.
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Her body was never found.
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Another girl
by the name of Laura Aime
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{\an8}also vanished and was later found
in the Wasatch Mountains.
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She had been bludgeoned and raped.
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[man] People were very very worried.
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{\an8}I was the assistant prosecutor,
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{\an8}uh, for the Salt Lake County
Attorney's Office.
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The number of missing and dead girls
was certainly an unusual occurrence.
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We didn't connect our cases
to the missing girls in the Seattle area.
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You wouldn't ever think
in your wildest dreams
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there was a serial killer
in the community.
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[DaRonch]
November 8, 1974. It was a Friday.
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I didn't really have plans that night.
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So I decided that I would get in my car
and head over for the mall.
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I drove to the parking lot,
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parked under a light,
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and walked into the mall.
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Started looking in a bookstore window.
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And as I was looking in the window,
a man approached me.
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He said he was a police officer.
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He said, "Well, we found someone
trying to break into your car."
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He was polite.
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He asked me if I wanted
to come out to the car with him
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and see if anything was missing.
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So we got out to my car,
and I could see in the car
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that nothing was missing.
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And he kept leaning forward
like he wanted me
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to look further in the car,
but I wouldn't.
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I just said, "Nothing's missing."
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And that's when he said,
"Well, they're holding this guy
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down at the police station.
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Do you have time
to come down there
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and fill out a complaint against him?"
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And then I said,
"Do you have some kind of identification?"
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'Cause I-- I just was starting
to feel a little uneasy
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and I thought I could smell alcohol.
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And that's when he just promptly
pulled out his wallet
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and showed me a badge,
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and I went, "Oh, okay."
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He drove a Volkswagen,
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which I thought, "Well, that's
kind of odd, but maybe he's undercover."
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And I got in.
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He headed down a side street...
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and then he suddenly pulled over
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up on the side of a curb
by an elementary school.
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And that's when I just started
freaking out, "What are we doing?"
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And he grabbed my arm
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and he got one handcuff on one wrist,
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and he didn't get the other one on,
and the one was just dangling.
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00:22:39,024 --> 00:22:42,861
I had never been so frightened
in my entire life.
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00:22:44,863 --> 00:22:48,700
And I know this is cliché,
but my whole life went before my eyes.
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I thought, "My God, my parents are
never gonna know what happened to me."
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00:22:55,749 --> 00:22:58,168
The next thing I knew,
he had pulled out a gun
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and said, "I'll blow your head off."
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00:23:00,879 --> 00:23:04,424
I just thought, "Go ahead. Just go ahead.
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Do it. Just kill me now."
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00:23:06,927 --> 00:23:09,805
But I just found the door,
jumped out of the car.
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00:23:09,888 --> 00:23:13,558
He came out after me,
and we struggled outside.
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He had a crowbar.
He was trying to hit me over the head.
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I had my hand on top.
I could feel it.
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00:23:19,731 --> 00:23:23,610
I just fought with all my might,
thrashing with him and fighting.
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00:23:23,693 --> 00:23:25,695
My fingers nails were all broken.
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00:23:25,779 --> 00:23:29,324
I remember
his beady, blank, lifeless eyes.
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00:23:35,372 --> 00:23:38,834
At that time, a car started coming
the other direction.
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00:23:38,917 --> 00:23:41,461
And that's when I broke loose
and ran to the car
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00:23:42,546 --> 00:23:45,799
I flew open their door
and jumped in on them,
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00:23:45,882 --> 00:23:49,803
and I said,
"Take me to the police station."
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00:23:49,886 --> 00:23:52,013
I was just hysterical.
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00:23:54,808 --> 00:23:59,146
I was very lucky and it was
really shocking to find out later
407
00:23:59,229 --> 00:24:02,524
that he was so angry
that I had gotten away
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00:24:02,607 --> 00:24:05,986
he just drove somewhere else
and killed someone else.
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00:24:12,534 --> 00:24:15,620
[reporter] Debra Kent was attending a play
with Viewmont High School.
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00:24:16,329 --> 00:24:18,748
She left the play early
to pick up her brother.
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00:24:19,291 --> 00:24:21,001
Debbie never got to her car.
412
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The same night
that Carol DaRonch was kidnapped,
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Debbie Kent was abducted
in a parking lot north of Salt Lake.
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Found in the parking lot
was a handcuff key.
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00:24:36,433 --> 00:24:40,729
And the key fit my handcuff
that I had had on me.
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[reporter] Police believe the key
was from the same handcuffs
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used to kidnap Carol DaRonch
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00:24:46,193 --> 00:24:49,863
four hours earlier, the same night
Debbie Kent disappeared.
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00:24:51,198 --> 00:24:54,659
[Michaud]
Now there's a witness and real evidence.
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The police are starting
to make connections.
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{\an8}[McChesney]
It had been a number of months,
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00:25:07,797 --> 00:25:11,259
and we had run out of leads to pursue
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for the missing women
in the State of Washington.
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00:25:14,304 --> 00:25:18,975
So, sometimes you have to rely
on people who might...
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00:25:19,726 --> 00:25:21,228
by circumstance,
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find something.
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00:25:26,107 --> 00:25:28,443
{\an8}[Lucas] I got a call from a friend
in the police department.
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00:25:28,527 --> 00:25:30,362
And he said,
"Get your butt up to Taylor Mountain."
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00:25:30,445 --> 00:25:32,572
I said, "What's going on?"
And he said, "Just go."
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00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,117
So I went up there with some
of the Seattle homicide detectives,
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and, uh, they told me
that they had found bodies.
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[Keppel]
It was a group of student foresters
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marking trees on Taylor Mountain,
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00:25:46,044 --> 00:25:49,506
and they found the skull of Brenda Ball,
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00:25:50,131 --> 00:25:51,132
laying in the woods.
436
00:25:55,345 --> 00:25:57,430
They called the Sheriff's Office
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00:25:57,514 --> 00:26:02,477
and we began a search ourselves
with our own search and rescue volunteers.
438
00:26:02,561 --> 00:26:08,817
And we discovered, a hundred feet apart,
the remains of three other women.
439
00:26:09,234 --> 00:26:11,194
It was pretty much of a nightmare.
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00:26:14,906 --> 00:26:17,033
[young Keppel]
We keep finding more and more everyday.
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00:26:17,117 --> 00:26:19,703
You get into that woods
and you just don't know what's in there.
442
00:26:19,786 --> 00:26:23,331
{\an8}It's so thick
and so overgrown with bushes...
443
00:26:23,915 --> 00:26:26,084
{\an8}that you could find anything,
you know...
444
00:26:26,418 --> 00:26:28,712
{\an8}uh, a couple of hours from now
or five minutes from now.
445
00:26:28,795 --> 00:26:29,629
{\an8}It doesn't matter.
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00:26:37,137 --> 00:26:41,141
[Michaud] What do you think
can be surmised about Taylor Mountain?
447
00:26:41,808 --> 00:26:45,061
[Bundy]
About the Taylor Mountain crime scene?
448
00:26:46,187 --> 00:26:48,398
We can make a reasonable guess...
449
00:26:49,274 --> 00:26:52,777
that this individual was clearly trying
to cover up his crimes.
450
00:26:54,070 --> 00:26:55,447
When a body was left there,
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00:26:55,530 --> 00:26:58,617
the animals in the area were doing,
you know,
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00:26:58,700 --> 00:27:00,160
his work for him.
453
00:27:00,243 --> 00:27:01,953
And he would continue to go back there
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00:27:02,037 --> 00:27:04,456
simply because he had
his own garbage disposal.
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00:27:06,166 --> 00:27:09,544
[reporter] Remains of six missing girls
were found at the same site.
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00:27:09,628 --> 00:27:13,089
{\an8}The skeletal remains
of 21-year-old Linda Ann Healy,
457
00:27:13,173 --> 00:27:16,051
{\an8}22-year-old Brenda Ball of Seattle,
458
00:27:16,134 --> 00:27:19,929
{\an8}18-year-old Susan Elaine Rancourt
of Anchorage, Alaska,
459
00:27:20,013 --> 00:27:24,851
{\an8}and 20-year-old Roberta Kathleen Parks
from Lafayette, California.
460
00:27:24,934 --> 00:27:28,271
Just a few miles away from the place
where those four were found,
461
00:27:28,563 --> 00:27:31,316
police identified
two other murdered girls.
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00:27:31,399 --> 00:27:35,070
These two disappeared from the same place,
Lake Sammamish State Park.
463
00:27:35,153 --> 00:27:37,280
{\an8}They were 23-year-old Janice Ott...
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{\an8}and 18-year-old Denise Naslund.
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[McChesney] The women were abducted
from entirely different locations,
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{\an8}but were ultimately found
up at Taylor Mountain.
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00:27:51,002 --> 00:27:53,421
{\an8}And so, at that point,
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00:27:53,505 --> 00:27:55,006
{\an8}we were quite sure that...
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00:27:55,799 --> 00:27:59,260
the women who had been missing
and the women who had been found
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00:27:59,344 --> 00:28:01,805
were all killed by the same person.
471
00:28:04,557 --> 00:28:08,853
I began reporting
that this person was a serial killer.
472
00:28:09,562 --> 00:28:11,439
So-- I think we were the first station
473
00:28:11,523 --> 00:28:13,942
that began making that assumption
on the air.
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00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:16,778
Other reporters
then began jumping on the story.
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00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:21,199
[reporter] And Mackie, the Taylor Mountain
is sort of known as a lover's lane.
476
00:28:21,282 --> 00:28:24,119
{\an8}There's evidence to indicate it
if you look around the ground.
477
00:28:25,286 --> 00:28:28,206
{\an8}-Can you be a bit more specific, please?
-Can you formulate any hypothesis--
478
00:28:28,289 --> 00:28:33,837
Can you formulate an hypothesis
that maybe this-- the subject, uh,
479
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:35,839
was first a lover, then a killer?
480
00:28:36,756 --> 00:28:37,716
Well...
481
00:28:38,633 --> 00:28:41,386
you can conjecture all you want on that,
482
00:28:41,469 --> 00:28:45,640
but the problem that we have
in this-- these cases, is--
483
00:28:46,015 --> 00:28:49,477
is different than most homicide cases.
We don't know the way they were killed.
484
00:28:49,561 --> 00:28:53,273
So it's pretty hard to make
any judgment on this at all...
485
00:28:53,815 --> 00:28:56,943
of how they were killed,
because all we've found is bones.
486
00:28:59,696 --> 00:29:02,407
[McChesney] The remains
were found scattered apart,
487
00:29:02,490 --> 00:29:05,034
affected and impacted by animals.
488
00:29:05,118 --> 00:29:08,079
We didn't have the technology
that we have now.
489
00:29:08,163 --> 00:29:11,082
We didn't have the DNA capabilities.
490
00:29:12,125 --> 00:29:15,628
[young Keppel] The evidence that we
had initially found on our bodies...
491
00:29:16,713 --> 00:29:18,548
{\an8}was almost non-existent
492
00:29:18,631 --> 00:29:21,926
It kind of sounds morbid to say this,
but we were hoping for another body
493
00:29:22,010 --> 00:29:23,595
with more evidence on it
494
00:29:23,678 --> 00:29:26,139
than what we could produce
from the ones we had.
495
00:29:27,140 --> 00:29:29,768
[McChesney]
We still didn't have an offender named,
496
00:29:29,851 --> 00:29:32,520
and it was still quite a mystery.
497
00:29:36,232 --> 00:29:38,234
{\an8}[birds chirping]
498
00:29:42,113 --> 00:29:43,615
{\an8}[Lucas] After working in Seattle,
499
00:29:43,698 --> 00:29:46,576
I got the job with the TV station
in Denver, Colorado.
500
00:29:46,951 --> 00:29:49,829
{\an8}When I got there,
I realized that, by coincidence,
501
00:29:49,913 --> 00:29:52,499
{\an8}there was also a problem
with missing and murdered women
502
00:29:52,582 --> 00:29:53,750
{\an8}throughout Colorado.
503
00:29:57,670 --> 00:30:01,591
I felt that I was following
this trail of terror
504
00:30:01,674 --> 00:30:03,968
from the northwest to Colorado.
505
00:30:04,052 --> 00:30:09,015
{\an8}On January 12th, 1975, Caryn Campbell
disappeared from the Wildwood Inn.
506
00:30:10,517 --> 00:30:13,853
{\an8}[man] Caryn Campbell was
a young woman on vacation
507
00:30:13,937 --> 00:30:17,357
{\an8}with her fiancé, I believe,
and his children.
508
00:30:17,816 --> 00:30:19,901
[female reporter]
Caryn Campbell sat with her fiancé,
509
00:30:19,984 --> 00:30:21,236
Dr. Raymond Gadowski,
510
00:30:21,319 --> 00:30:23,947
in front of a fire in the lobby
of the Wildwood Inn.
511
00:30:24,030 --> 00:30:26,950
They had just finished dinner
at a restaurant, The Stew Pot.
512
00:30:27,033 --> 00:30:29,285
Miss Campbell
wanted a magazine from her room.
513
00:30:29,369 --> 00:30:31,788
About eight o'clock in the evening,
she caught the elevator
514
00:30:31,871 --> 00:30:32,872
to the second floor.
515
00:30:32,956 --> 00:30:36,084
That was the last time
Gadowski saw her alive.
516
00:30:38,169 --> 00:30:42,924
Thirty-six days later, her nude body
was found almost three miles away.
517
00:30:43,007 --> 00:30:45,844
Though the body was partially
destroyed by animals,
518
00:30:45,927 --> 00:30:49,055
the coroner was able to establish
that Miss Campbell had died
519
00:30:49,138 --> 00:30:53,184
about two hours after the dinner
at The Stew Pot on January 12th.
520
00:30:54,602 --> 00:30:56,271
[Leidner] Caryn Campbell's family
521
00:30:56,354 --> 00:30:58,690
must have gone
through all kinds of anguish.
522
00:30:59,357 --> 00:31:01,067
Her body was found...
523
00:31:01,818 --> 00:31:05,947
and it had been out there
for the greater part of the winter.
524
00:31:06,614 --> 00:31:09,742
I can't imagine how they dealt with it.
I cannot imagine.
525
00:31:11,744 --> 00:31:15,582
It was a big deal, because murders
didn't happen in Aspen.
526
00:31:17,959 --> 00:31:21,629
And then there were at least
two other killings in Colorado.
527
00:31:22,088 --> 00:31:23,798
{\an8}[male reporter]
Two more women have gone missing.
528
00:31:23,882 --> 00:31:27,051
{\an8}Julie Cunningham,
a 26-year-old woman from Vale,
529
00:31:27,135 --> 00:31:31,097
{\an8}and Denise Oliverson,
a 24-year-old from Grand Junction.
530
00:31:31,389 --> 00:31:33,349
{\an8}Their whereabouts are unknown.
531
00:31:34,601 --> 00:31:38,897
They both vanished without a witness,
without a sign, without anything.
532
00:31:39,814 --> 00:31:42,233
[reporter] Colorado authorities
now add to their growing list
533
00:31:42,317 --> 00:31:43,818
of missing and murdered women.
534
00:31:43,902 --> 00:31:46,571
A coroner's report concludes
that it is possible
535
00:31:47,071 --> 00:31:49,240
the same person killed these women.
536
00:31:50,116 --> 00:31:53,286
Somebody was getting away with murders.
Many murders.
537
00:31:53,870 --> 00:31:55,038
{\an8}It had all of the elements
538
00:31:55,121 --> 00:31:57,582
{\an8}of what we feared
was going on in the northwest.
539
00:31:58,333 --> 00:32:00,835
{\an8}That was a pattern that somebody
should have looked at.
540
00:32:00,919 --> 00:32:03,254
But these various police departments...
541
00:32:03,338 --> 00:32:05,506
they weren't sharing information
across state lines.
542
00:32:05,590 --> 00:32:08,593
[Bundy] The inherent shortcomings
of law enforcement
543
00:32:08,676 --> 00:32:10,428
make the detection of crime
544
00:32:10,929 --> 00:32:15,475
and the solution of crime
an extremely difficult process.
545
00:32:15,558 --> 00:32:18,686
Defects in our system of law enforcement
546
00:32:18,770 --> 00:32:21,314
permit the individual to get away with it.
547
00:32:24,525 --> 00:32:28,488
[Michaud] Ted had pride in what he did.
He really thought of himself as a hunter,
548
00:32:28,947 --> 00:32:30,198
and he took big game,
549
00:32:30,531 --> 00:32:33,785
and he felt that he had achieved
something really special...
550
00:32:34,494 --> 00:32:36,079
that nobody else had done
551
00:32:36,829 --> 00:32:38,539
because he was so damn good at it.
552
00:32:49,717 --> 00:32:51,594
[DaRonch] Almost a year later,
553
00:32:51,678 --> 00:32:55,056
the police had no suspect
in my kidnapping.
554
00:32:56,349 --> 00:32:57,642
I thought about it all the time.
555
00:32:57,725 --> 00:33:00,645
I thought, "Why can't they find this man?"
556
00:33:01,437 --> 00:33:05,650
The police watched my house constantly,
drove past all the time.
557
00:33:06,234 --> 00:33:10,321
My dad slept
with his deer hunting rifle under his bed.
558
00:33:11,698 --> 00:33:13,992
I tried to move on with my life,
559
00:33:14,492 --> 00:33:17,203
but it was always in the back of my mind,
560
00:33:17,286 --> 00:33:19,998
"Where is this guy?
Why can't they catch him?"
561
00:33:25,003 --> 00:33:27,922
[Yocom] One night,
a highway patrolman, Bob Hayward,
562
00:33:28,297 --> 00:33:31,217
was in a residential area
around Salt Lake City.
563
00:33:31,300 --> 00:33:33,886
And he saw this VW automobile
564
00:33:33,970 --> 00:33:36,597
driving down the street
with its lights off.
565
00:33:36,681 --> 00:33:39,976
He became very suspicious
and tried to stop the vehicle.
566
00:33:40,727 --> 00:33:42,812
It ran from him and he chased it...
567
00:33:43,271 --> 00:33:45,940
and finally stopped it and pulled it over.
568
00:33:46,816 --> 00:33:49,527
[Bundy] It was a freak occurrence
that brought me in contact with Hayward
569
00:33:49,610 --> 00:33:51,571
at two o'clock in the morning.
570
00:33:51,654 --> 00:33:53,156
We're talking about luck.
571
00:33:53,740 --> 00:33:56,200
[Yocom] The driver was arrested
for failing to stop
572
00:33:56,284 --> 00:33:57,744
at the command a police officer.
573
00:34:00,830 --> 00:34:03,166
{\an8}He was identified as Ted Bundy.
574
00:34:04,834 --> 00:34:08,796
{\an8}[man] Mr. Bundy wanted to hire a lawyer,
so he called me and said,
575
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,299
{\an8}"I've been arrested,
and I need to see a lawyer."
576
00:34:11,382 --> 00:34:12,967
{\an8}Made an appointment and came in.
577
00:34:13,968 --> 00:34:18,556
John O'Connell was the other lawyer
and eventually became lead counsel.
578
00:34:20,516 --> 00:34:23,394
Initially, it just seemed
like a minor matter.
579
00:34:23,478 --> 00:34:25,063
Misdemeanor charges.
580
00:34:25,146 --> 00:34:29,442
Seemed to be just a big mistake
in a series of coincidences.
581
00:34:29,525 --> 00:34:32,236
Here's a guy
that was a college graduate.
582
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:34,906
He was joining the LDS Church.
583
00:34:35,406 --> 00:34:38,951
My secretary at the time
was a young lady who had dated him.
584
00:34:39,035 --> 00:34:42,622
He seemed like, uh,
one of us, if you will.
585
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:47,085
But shortly thereafter,
prosecutors got in touch with me
586
00:34:47,168 --> 00:34:49,837
and said, "We'd like you to come in
and talk to you about this guy."
587
00:34:50,588 --> 00:34:53,591
We think there may be more to this
than meets the eye.
588
00:34:54,175 --> 00:34:56,469
[female reporter]
Police found a brown gym bag in his car,
589
00:34:56,552 --> 00:35:01,390
containing a ski mask, an ice pick,
some strips of torn sheet.
590
00:35:01,891 --> 00:35:04,977
[Yocom] The items found in his vehicle
were very suspicious.
591
00:35:05,228 --> 00:35:08,523
There was a pry bar, pantyhose,
there were handcuffs.
592
00:35:08,940 --> 00:35:11,442
He also matched the description
of the individual
593
00:35:11,526 --> 00:35:13,903
that had attempted
to kidnap Carol DaRonch.
594
00:35:14,487 --> 00:35:18,032
So the investigation of Ted Bundy
began in earnest.
595
00:35:20,326 --> 00:35:23,454
{\an8}The police called to say
they had a suspect
596
00:35:23,538 --> 00:35:25,957
{\an8}and they want to know
if I could come down
597
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,543
{\an8}and look at him in a lineup.
598
00:35:29,377 --> 00:35:32,755
It was a relief to think
that they had caught someone.
599
00:35:34,006 --> 00:35:37,176
{\an8}Ted called me unexpectedly at home
600
00:35:37,260 --> 00:35:39,846
{\an8}and said that he was upset.
601
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:43,766
He explained to me
that he had been arrested
602
00:35:43,850 --> 00:35:47,770
and that he was scheduled
the following day to be in a lineup.
603
00:35:48,980 --> 00:35:52,066
His demeanor at that time
was unlike him.
604
00:35:52,150 --> 00:35:55,653
He was usually so well ordered,
so... calm.
605
00:35:56,237 --> 00:35:59,365
But there was something
very upsetting in this to him.
606
00:35:59,448 --> 00:36:00,408
I could tell.
607
00:36:00,950 --> 00:36:03,995
That made me, uh, suspicious.
608
00:36:07,498 --> 00:36:09,959
[Yocom]
When Ted was brought in for a lineup,
609
00:36:10,042 --> 00:36:13,796
he had changed his appearance completely
from the few days before.
610
00:36:16,090 --> 00:36:20,761
He had his hair cut off and he changed
his part from one side to the other,
611
00:36:20,845 --> 00:36:22,471
and he made himself look
completely different.
612
00:36:24,390 --> 00:36:27,435
So we had to scramble
to get other people in the lineup
613
00:36:27,518 --> 00:36:29,270
to look like him at the time.
614
00:36:29,770 --> 00:36:33,441
It so happened the only people available
were law enforcement officers.
615
00:36:35,067 --> 00:36:38,321
[DaRonch] They brought me
into the police station and sat me down.
616
00:36:39,030 --> 00:36:41,866
And they had them walk out
and turn around and talk.
617
00:36:43,159 --> 00:36:45,244
And I recognized him immediately.
618
00:36:46,412 --> 00:36:51,292
The minute he walked in,
when I saw him walk, I knew it was him.
619
00:36:52,668 --> 00:36:55,755
[Bundy] People built a case
around a non-existent eyewitness.
620
00:36:55,838 --> 00:36:58,424
Eyewitness identification
was built by the police.
621
00:36:58,507 --> 00:36:59,508
But I kept it together,
622
00:36:59,592 --> 00:37:01,677
because there's no point
in destroying myself.
623
00:37:01,761 --> 00:37:05,389
I have got to keep myself together.
I've got to keep my presence of mind.
624
00:37:05,473 --> 00:37:08,768
Because as long as I do that,
I am going to beat these people.
625
00:37:11,020 --> 00:37:13,022
[Lubeck] After those identifications,
626
00:37:13,105 --> 00:37:16,442
he was charged very quickly
with the kidnapping.
627
00:37:16,984 --> 00:37:20,821
And things changed from there,
as we got to know more.
628
00:37:23,783 --> 00:37:26,953
[Michaud] The front page
of the Seattle Post Intelligencer
629
00:37:27,036 --> 00:37:31,332
has a headline which reads,
"Is 'Utah Ted' the 'Seattle Ted?'"
630
00:37:31,874 --> 00:37:34,210
[McChesney]
From that moment on, we thought,
631
00:37:34,293 --> 00:37:38,965
"This might be the 'Ted'
that we were looking for."
632
00:37:39,757 --> 00:37:44,136
[reporter] Is Ted Bundy indeed a suspect
in your cases in King County?
633
00:37:45,137 --> 00:37:49,558
{\an8}Well, it-- it's--
It's common knowledge that he is.
634
00:37:50,810 --> 00:37:54,063
[Michaud] That is when the states
start talking to one another.
635
00:37:55,273 --> 00:37:57,817
[male reporter]
Investigators from multiple Western states
636
00:37:57,900 --> 00:37:59,402
are convening in Aspen today
637
00:37:59,485 --> 00:38:01,779
to compare notes
on missing women cases
638
00:38:02,154 --> 00:38:05,324
that could be connected
to Theodore Robert Bundy.
639
00:38:05,408 --> 00:38:08,661
It's the first multi-state conference
of its kind.
640
00:38:09,161 --> 00:38:12,915
[Keppel] We were wondering
if what happened to the Colorado victim
641
00:38:12,999 --> 00:38:16,127
looks like what happened
to the Utah victim
642
00:38:16,210 --> 00:38:19,297
and looks like what happened
to the Washington State victim.
643
00:38:20,131 --> 00:38:23,259
[Yocom] There were
similar characteristics to the homicides.
644
00:38:23,342 --> 00:38:26,637
But at the time,
the kidnapping case of Carol DaRonch
645
00:38:26,721 --> 00:38:28,764
was the best case against Ted Bundy.
646
00:38:28,848 --> 00:38:33,102
The next step was to put the case
together and, uh, bring it to trial.
647
00:38:33,185 --> 00:38:37,273
The responsibility that was placed
on my shoulders is the lead prosecutor.
648
00:38:39,108 --> 00:38:42,028
[Preece] The reaction
of the people in our church branch
649
00:38:42,111 --> 00:38:45,614
that had known Ted
was one of incredulity.
650
00:38:45,906 --> 00:38:50,161
{\an8}They just knew that he was innocent
of all charges.
651
00:38:50,244 --> 00:38:52,204
That was-- That was their feeling.
652
00:38:52,788 --> 00:38:55,708
Surely, this couldn't be true
of Ted Bundy.
653
00:38:57,126 --> 00:39:01,339
[Vortman] Ted called me up,
told me he was in jail in Utah.
654
00:39:01,422 --> 00:39:04,425
And I said, "Okay, I'll come down
and see you, hold your hand."
655
00:39:04,967 --> 00:39:07,511
I flew down to Salt Lake
and put myself up.
656
00:39:08,012 --> 00:39:10,056
[Preece] The branch members wondered,
657
00:39:10,139 --> 00:39:13,142
"What can we do to make people know
that he's not guilty?"
658
00:39:13,225 --> 00:39:15,519
{\an8}And they flocked to his defense.
659
00:39:18,230 --> 00:39:22,068
{\an8}[DaRonch] I remember
running into a woman in my subdivision,
660
00:39:22,151 --> 00:39:25,696
and she had said, you know, "Carol,
are you sure you have the right guy?"
661
00:39:26,155 --> 00:39:29,658
She was questioning me
just because he was a college student
662
00:39:29,742 --> 00:39:31,494
and... charming,
663
00:39:31,577 --> 00:39:33,913
good-looking, smart...
664
00:39:34,497 --> 00:39:36,082
and it was frustrating.
665
00:39:44,340 --> 00:39:47,051
{\an8}[Lubeck]
We went to trial in February of '76.
666
00:39:47,968 --> 00:39:49,220
There was a lot of publicity.
667
00:39:50,429 --> 00:39:52,098
Ted wanted to be involved.
668
00:39:52,181 --> 00:39:55,810
He would look up cases
and come to us with ideas.
669
00:39:55,893 --> 00:39:58,813
He said, "I didn't do anything.
I'm not worried about it."
670
00:39:58,896 --> 00:40:01,982
It was pretty evident
that he relished the fight.
671
00:40:03,609 --> 00:40:07,822
Ted presented himself
as a clean-cut, boy-next-door type
672
00:40:07,905 --> 00:40:11,325
and he had a following in the courtroom
that gave him a lot of confidence.
673
00:40:11,659 --> 00:40:14,537
[reporter] You mentioned that it was, uh,
an education for the justice system.
674
00:40:14,620 --> 00:40:16,580
How do you feel
about the justice system in general
675
00:40:16,664 --> 00:40:17,832
based on your experience?
676
00:40:17,915 --> 00:40:20,459
Well, I'm sure it works
and you've gotta have faith it'll work
677
00:40:20,543 --> 00:40:23,504
or else you'd be reduced
to some kind of, uh...
678
00:40:23,587 --> 00:40:24,922
you know, mumbling idiot.
679
00:40:25,005 --> 00:40:27,383
Does that mean, uh, ultimately
you want to get involved
680
00:40:27,466 --> 00:40:29,927
-in the criminal justice system?
-Well... [chuckles]
681
00:40:30,010 --> 00:40:33,264
Um, a funny thing happened to me
on the way to labor law class one morning.
682
00:40:33,347 --> 00:40:36,183
I got two weeks in the spa
on the third floor up here.
683
00:40:36,559 --> 00:40:40,438
And, yes, I intend to complete
my legal education to become a lawyer
684
00:40:40,521 --> 00:40:42,356
and be a damn good lawyer.
685
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:44,775
Uh, I think things are going to work out.
686
00:40:44,859 --> 00:40:46,277
That's about all I can say.
687
00:40:49,697 --> 00:40:53,826
[Yocom] Prior to the trial,
Ted had waived his right to a jury trial
688
00:40:53,909 --> 00:40:57,496
and decided to try the case
before Judge Hanson without a jury,
689
00:40:57,580 --> 00:41:01,417
so the judge would make the decision
on guilt or innocence alone
690
00:41:01,500 --> 00:41:02,585
without a jury there.
691
00:41:03,627 --> 00:41:05,629
[Lubeck]
We felt pretty good about the trial.
692
00:41:06,213 --> 00:41:07,923
Carol DaRonch was not strong.
693
00:41:08,507 --> 00:41:10,009
She wasn't real certain of herself.
694
00:41:11,177 --> 00:41:13,637
[DaRonch]
There were tons of people at the trial.
695
00:41:13,721 --> 00:41:17,933
I had never done anything
like that before and I was frightened.
696
00:41:18,476 --> 00:41:21,061
[man] Did he look different today
than as you remembered him to?
697
00:41:21,145 --> 00:41:23,314
He's looked different every time.
He's changed his appearance.
698
00:41:23,397 --> 00:41:24,523
[man] Different all the time?
699
00:41:25,357 --> 00:41:27,359
[DaRonch] I was on the stand for hours.
700
00:41:28,402 --> 00:41:32,156
They were always trying to confuse me
or trip me up...
701
00:41:33,032 --> 00:41:34,241
but I didn't care.
702
00:41:35,451 --> 00:41:37,745
[Bundy]
When Carol DaRonch came to testify,
703
00:41:37,828 --> 00:41:40,080
I was beside myself with rage.
704
00:41:40,164 --> 00:41:43,667
Uh, she is turning into a professional
witness as far as I'm concerned.
705
00:41:44,335 --> 00:41:47,296
I pointed at him and said,
"He was the one.
706
00:41:47,379 --> 00:41:50,174
He was the man that tried to kidnap me."
707
00:41:50,716 --> 00:41:52,551
[Bundy]
When I heard her go through that routine,
708
00:41:52,635 --> 00:41:54,803
I got very, very angry and indignant.
709
00:41:54,887 --> 00:41:57,765
And I got up and I pointed at the judge
and pointed at her
710
00:41:57,848 --> 00:42:01,101
and I said, "She's lying.
She's lied before, and she's lying now.
711
00:42:01,185 --> 00:42:03,521
[DaRonch]
I just thought he was really arrogant
712
00:42:03,604 --> 00:42:06,065
and always had a smirk on his face.
713
00:42:06,982 --> 00:42:09,109
[Bundy]
There is no right way for me to act.
714
00:42:09,193 --> 00:42:11,070
I showed emotion.
You know what people said?
715
00:42:11,153 --> 00:42:14,198
"See? He really can
get violent and angry."
716
00:42:14,281 --> 00:42:16,867
And I don't care
what people think about how I act.
717
00:42:16,951 --> 00:42:20,663
I act according to the way I think
is right and best for me at the time.
718
00:42:21,705 --> 00:42:24,500
I just think he thought
he was gonna get away with it.
719
00:42:26,502 --> 00:42:29,004
[male news anchor]
Theodore Robert Bundy, at age 25,
720
00:42:29,088 --> 00:42:31,340
a Republican campaign worker
in Seattle.
721
00:42:31,966 --> 00:42:34,468
At 28, a University of Utah law student.
722
00:42:35,052 --> 00:42:37,429
At 29, a convicted Utah kidnapper.
723
00:42:45,646 --> 00:42:47,982
{\an8}[man] I just heard this afternoon that...
724
00:42:48,065 --> 00:42:50,776
{\an8}the Salt Lake prosecutors
had obtained a conviction.
725
00:42:51,151 --> 00:42:52,444
{\an8}And I just think they did
726
00:42:52,528 --> 00:42:54,572
{\an8}a thoroughly professional,
outstanding job,
727
00:42:54,655 --> 00:42:57,616
{\an8}and I congratulate them
on having succeeded.
728
00:42:59,076 --> 00:43:00,869
[Lubeck]
During the sentencing proceedings,
729
00:43:00,953 --> 00:43:04,290
Ted was eventually given
what is called a 90-day evaluation,
730
00:43:04,373 --> 00:43:07,084
where he went to the Utah State Prison
for an evaluation.
731
00:43:08,586 --> 00:43:12,631
[man] I was a psychologist
doing evaluations for the judge
732
00:43:12,715 --> 00:43:17,177
about whether he wants to send the person
to prison or be put on probation.
733
00:43:17,595 --> 00:43:20,180
{\an8}The question was not whether or not
he committed the crime.
734
00:43:20,264 --> 00:43:21,890
{\an8}He'd been found guilty.
735
00:43:21,974 --> 00:43:24,810
{\an8}The question was
whether or not is he violent.
736
00:43:25,686 --> 00:43:29,940
There were so many people who said,
"He couldn't have done these things.
737
00:43:30,024 --> 00:43:32,610
He just doesn't have the personality."
738
00:43:32,693 --> 00:43:36,363
And so that's what was so fascinating--
It was a big mystery.
739
00:43:37,031 --> 00:43:38,365
And I like mysteries.
740
00:43:40,034 --> 00:43:42,119
My introduction to Ted:
741
00:43:42,202 --> 00:43:45,497
He walks toward me
with a smile on his face,
742
00:43:45,914 --> 00:43:47,207
looking very nice.
743
00:43:47,833 --> 00:43:49,710
You know, his clothes were pressed.
744
00:43:50,461 --> 00:43:51,337
And...
745
00:43:52,338 --> 00:43:54,798
he extended his hand and says,
746
00:43:55,341 --> 00:43:58,344
"Hi, I'm Ted Bundy.
You must be Dr. Carlisle."
747
00:43:59,178 --> 00:44:00,596
[Bundy] The psychologist--
748
00:44:00,679 --> 00:44:03,474
Well, he was an asshole,
but there must be, uh...
749
00:44:03,557 --> 00:44:06,852
some better words to describe
that kind of mentality.
750
00:44:06,935 --> 00:44:10,230
I-- I probably spoke to him more often
751
00:44:10,314 --> 00:44:12,775
during the time
I was at the Utah State Prison
752
00:44:12,858 --> 00:44:14,985
than any other prison official.
753
00:44:16,779 --> 00:44:19,782
[Carlisle] In essence, I says,
"Okay, Ted, to understand you.
754
00:44:19,865 --> 00:44:21,825
I wanna talk about your life."
755
00:44:23,619 --> 00:44:27,873
Bundy always painted
a very positive picture...
756
00:44:27,956 --> 00:44:31,001
of his mother, of his grandparents.
757
00:44:31,377 --> 00:44:34,129
[Bundy] Most of my close friends,
we played pee wee football.
758
00:44:34,213 --> 00:44:37,424
I later went out for the track team.
I did well in academics.
759
00:44:37,841 --> 00:44:41,095
Never had any trouble.
Not even a suggestion of trouble.
760
00:44:41,553 --> 00:44:44,723
I talked to the family.
They thought he was wonderful.
761
00:44:46,141 --> 00:44:49,103
{\an8}[Mrs. Bundy] We still don't believe it.
It just-- just can't be.
762
00:44:49,186 --> 00:44:52,439
{\an8}I keep shaking my head, saying,
"How can this be?"
763
00:44:52,523 --> 00:44:54,566
{\an8}Because he had lots of friends,
764
00:44:55,234 --> 00:44:59,279
very good student in school,
was a very normal, active boy.
765
00:45:00,114 --> 00:45:02,449
[voice wavering]
Our son is the best son in the world.
766
00:45:03,367 --> 00:45:06,036
[Carlisle]
I talked to a few people in Salt Lake.
767
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:08,872
I talked to some girlfriends.
768
00:45:09,665 --> 00:45:12,292
There were those who said,
"No, there's another side.
769
00:45:12,376 --> 00:45:13,669
There's a dark side of him."
770
00:45:15,129 --> 00:45:18,048
One girl told me
they went swimming together...
771
00:45:18,674 --> 00:45:22,720
and he pushes her head underwater
and holds it there.
772
00:45:23,929 --> 00:45:25,097
He lets her up,
773
00:45:25,514 --> 00:45:26,598
takes a breath,
774
00:45:26,682 --> 00:45:28,225
he pushes her down again.
775
00:45:30,102 --> 00:45:32,563
And she's thinking,
"He's trying to kill me."
776
00:45:35,065 --> 00:45:37,526
And I found out that there was this big...
777
00:45:38,152 --> 00:45:42,322
event that occurred, which I think
was really something powerful.
778
00:45:43,115 --> 00:45:45,367
When he was about 14 years old,
779
00:45:45,451 --> 00:45:49,288
in an old trunk,
he found his birth certificate
780
00:45:49,371 --> 00:45:52,082
and in the spot where it says, "father,"
781
00:45:53,167 --> 00:45:55,169
it said, "unknown."
782
00:45:57,421 --> 00:46:00,549
So that's how he found out
that he was illegitimate.
783
00:46:02,718 --> 00:46:04,887
[Michaud]
Ted's mother, Louise, became pregnant
784
00:46:04,970 --> 00:46:08,390
and had him in a home for unwed mothers.
785
00:46:08,474 --> 00:46:11,477
Then she left. She went home.
786
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:13,479
She didn't intend to keep the child.
787
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:17,566
But her father,
Ted's grandfather, insisted,
788
00:46:17,649 --> 00:46:20,611
"No, you go back and get that boy
and bring him home."
789
00:46:22,738 --> 00:46:26,241
[Carlisle] When I ask him about that,
he says, "Oh, that was no problem.
790
00:46:26,742 --> 00:46:28,452
That didn't bother me at all."
791
00:46:28,952 --> 00:46:31,955
[Bundy] This, of course,
this illegitimacy issue is...
792
00:46:32,414 --> 00:46:34,750
for the amateur psychologist
it's the thing.
793
00:46:34,833 --> 00:46:37,669
I mean, it's so stupid.
It just bugs the shit out of me.
794
00:46:37,753 --> 00:46:39,171
I don't know what to do about it.
795
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:41,673
How many people are in fact--
796
00:46:41,757 --> 00:46:44,968
find out that they are illegitimate,
or even adopted, at a later age?
797
00:46:45,052 --> 00:46:46,094
It's normal.
798
00:46:47,304 --> 00:46:50,349
Denial, denial, denial, denial.
799
00:46:50,432 --> 00:46:52,601
To me, that was a big red flag.
800
00:46:53,352 --> 00:46:55,771
[Bundy]
The prison psychologist hoped so much
801
00:46:55,854 --> 00:46:58,273
that he himself would be responsible
802
00:46:58,357 --> 00:47:00,943
for opening Ted Bundy up
for the world to see...
803
00:47:01,026 --> 00:47:05,322
what was ticking inside
Bundy's obviously devious mind.
804
00:47:06,657 --> 00:47:10,661
[Michaud] It turns out that
Ted's grandfather had a violent streak.
805
00:47:11,370 --> 00:47:13,580
And there was ample reason to suspect
806
00:47:13,664 --> 00:47:16,416
that Ted suffered
some sort of abuse as a child,
807
00:47:16,500 --> 00:47:17,918
psychological or physical.
808
00:47:19,795 --> 00:47:22,589
[Carlisle] We were getting close
to the end of all this interviewing,
809
00:47:22,673 --> 00:47:25,425
and Ted and I were standing
outside the office.
810
00:47:25,509 --> 00:47:28,720
He says,
"Al, do you believe I killed those girls
811
00:47:28,804 --> 00:47:31,223
that they suspect me of in the Northwest?"
812
00:47:32,307 --> 00:47:34,726
And I hadn't mentioned them.
813
00:47:35,477 --> 00:47:37,855
And I paused for just a moment.
814
00:47:37,938 --> 00:47:39,481
What I said was,
815
00:47:39,565 --> 00:47:42,734
"Ted, I don't know, but I think
if you did, you'll do it again."
816
00:47:43,527 --> 00:47:45,904
He just looked at me for just a moment...
817
00:47:46,321 --> 00:47:49,992
and then he went back
down the corridor to his cell.
818
00:47:50,534 --> 00:47:53,036
And I submitted my report to the judge
819
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:56,540
saying that it was my opinion
820
00:47:56,623 --> 00:47:59,793
that Ted had a violent side to him.
821
00:48:01,128 --> 00:48:04,172
Judge Hanson sentenced him
to the Utah State Prison for,
822
00:48:04,256 --> 00:48:07,634
under Utah law, what's called
an indeterminate term of one to 15 years.
823
00:48:11,138 --> 00:48:15,058
After he was sentenced to prison,
I stayed in touch with him quite closely,
824
00:48:15,142 --> 00:48:17,477
much, much more so than any other client.
825
00:48:18,270 --> 00:48:20,564
And I went to see him frequently
at the prison.
826
00:48:24,818 --> 00:48:27,237
[Bundy] I was in the visiting area
of maximum security
827
00:48:27,321 --> 00:48:29,948
at the Utah State Prison
with Bruce Lubeck.
828
00:48:30,032 --> 00:48:32,784
Bruce and I had been talking
for no more than 15 minutes
829
00:48:32,868 --> 00:48:36,163
when the steel doors
to security slid open.
830
00:48:36,747 --> 00:48:39,041
And into the room walked three men.
831
00:48:39,625 --> 00:48:42,586
They approached me and said,
"Mr. Bundy, we have here...
832
00:48:42,669 --> 00:48:46,965
the warrant for your arrest for the murder
of Caryn Campbell in Colorado.
833
00:48:50,677 --> 00:48:53,972
{\an8}Bundy became an interest to Colorado
because of good detective work.
834
00:48:55,265 --> 00:48:57,976
There was circumstantial evidence
that put Bundy
835
00:48:58,060 --> 00:49:01,313
in the Wildwood Inn, in Snowmass.
836
00:49:02,606 --> 00:49:04,650
[Yocom]
We had found, through a search warrant,
837
00:49:04,733 --> 00:49:07,319
in Ted's apartment in Salt Lake,
838
00:49:07,653 --> 00:49:10,656
a brochure advertising the Wildwood Inn
839
00:49:10,739 --> 00:49:12,741
where Caryn Campbell was staying.
840
00:49:12,824 --> 00:49:15,452
We gave that over to Colorado.
841
00:49:16,036 --> 00:49:20,248
[Michaud] Then the police in Colorado
got Ted's gas slips,
842
00:49:20,332 --> 00:49:24,086
and they could place him
within a few miles of Caryn Campbell
843
00:49:24,169 --> 00:49:25,337
on the night she disappeared.
844
00:49:26,254 --> 00:49:30,092
[Yocom] A witness came forward
as seeing him in the elevator
845
00:49:30,175 --> 00:49:33,011
on the very day that Caryn was missing.
846
00:49:34,554 --> 00:49:38,350
[Leidner] He was, uh, charged
first-degree murder with premeditation,
847
00:49:38,684 --> 00:49:41,103
which would have carried,
at that time, the death penalty.
848
00:49:41,812 --> 00:49:46,149
Utah allowed him to be extradited back
to Colorado, which is very unusual.
849
00:49:46,483 --> 00:49:50,112
But the Colorado case involved a murder,
so it was more serious.
850
00:49:50,195 --> 00:49:53,031
[male news anchor] It was thought
Bundy would fight extradition,
851
00:49:53,115 --> 00:49:56,535
{\an8}but this morning he told a Utah judge
he was ready to go to Colorado.
852
00:49:56,618 --> 00:49:58,453
[female reporter]
Why did Ted decide to wave extradition?
853
00:49:59,079 --> 00:50:01,707
{\an8}Well, he is confident
that he can win in Colorado.
854
00:50:01,999 --> 00:50:04,626
He's confident that he can go
over there, stand trial, and win.
855
00:50:04,710 --> 00:50:05,877
And that's what he's gonna do.
856
00:50:08,839 --> 00:50:12,759
[Yocom] He was placed
in a jail in Aspen, awaiting trial there.
857
00:50:14,344 --> 00:50:15,679
[Lubeck] When he went to Colorado,
858
00:50:15,762 --> 00:50:19,224
we began to see a good deal of change
in Mr. Bundy, the way he...
859
00:50:19,516 --> 00:50:21,184
reacted to the legal system.
860
00:50:22,310 --> 00:50:24,771
I went over to visit him in county jail,
861
00:50:24,855 --> 00:50:27,524
which was a trip back in history.
862
00:50:28,900 --> 00:50:32,320
Down in the basement, low ceiling, bars--
863
00:50:32,404 --> 00:50:34,531
Just the classic old jail.
864
00:50:35,741 --> 00:50:38,618
Down there, he had gotten in a row
with one of the guards.
865
00:50:38,702 --> 00:50:41,788
A very innocuous comment
was made by the guard,
866
00:50:42,581 --> 00:50:44,958
but he got really, really angry.
867
00:50:45,042 --> 00:50:48,837
Red face, teeth bared, shaking...
868
00:50:50,213 --> 00:50:52,799
They were treating him
just like everyone else.
869
00:50:52,883 --> 00:50:56,762
Like he was nothing special
and he couldn't endure it.
870
00:50:58,263 --> 00:51:01,349
[Bundy] I don't like being locked up.
I don't like my liberty taken away,
871
00:51:01,433 --> 00:51:03,226
and I don't like
being treated like an animal,
872
00:51:03,310 --> 00:51:05,771
and I don't like
people walking around and ogling me
873
00:51:05,854 --> 00:51:08,899
like I'm some sort of weirdo,
because I'm not.
874
00:51:09,399 --> 00:51:11,193
Uh, being in prison...
875
00:51:11,943 --> 00:51:13,403
going through a kind of hell...
876
00:51:14,362 --> 00:51:18,617
matures a person, and I-- I think it's--
it's done good things for me.
877
00:51:20,952 --> 00:51:22,996
[Leidner]
He wasn't one of my favorite clients.
878
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:25,040
He was very egocentric.
879
00:51:25,123 --> 00:51:26,333
When I would go to visit him,
880
00:51:26,416 --> 00:51:28,877
the only thing he would talk about
is himself.
881
00:51:29,211 --> 00:51:30,462
He wouldn't talk about the case.
882
00:51:30,545 --> 00:51:32,923
He wouldn't talk
about the cases in other states.
883
00:51:33,715 --> 00:51:36,343
The conversations were completely vapid
884
00:51:36,426 --> 00:51:38,595
and devoid of any content.
885
00:51:40,222 --> 00:51:43,642
Yeah, I know more about the--
My class is graduating in about a month.
886
00:51:44,851 --> 00:51:46,061
From law school.
887
00:51:46,144 --> 00:51:49,022
I'll bet you I know more about law
than any of them.
888
00:51:49,106 --> 00:51:51,066
[woman] How does it make you feel
that they are graduating?
889
00:51:51,149 --> 00:51:54,402
That pisses me off. [chuckles]
Now, that does piss me off.
890
00:51:56,029 --> 00:52:00,158
[female reporter] Bundy spends his life
inside this 16-cell county jail.
891
00:52:00,242 --> 00:52:02,327
He gets up at 6:30 in the morning,
892
00:52:02,410 --> 00:52:05,956
walks, he says,
about two miles a day, pacing his cell.
893
00:52:06,373 --> 00:52:09,709
But he spends most of his time
preparing his defense.
894
00:52:09,793 --> 00:52:12,629
First of all, I guess I should just ask
how are you doing up here.
895
00:52:13,547 --> 00:52:15,257
It's a-- It's a--
896
00:52:15,340 --> 00:52:17,843
short question
deserving a long answer. Uh...
897
00:52:18,176 --> 00:52:20,637
I'm doing well. I feel good. Uh...
898
00:52:21,012 --> 00:52:22,639
Working hard on my case.
899
00:52:23,390 --> 00:52:24,474
Uh...
900
00:52:24,558 --> 00:52:27,060
Need a lot more sun
and a lot more fresh air.
901
00:52:27,144 --> 00:52:28,562
But other than that, I'm doing okay.
902
00:52:28,645 --> 00:52:31,523
[woman] Do you get fresh air? Sun?
Do you get out at all?
903
00:52:31,606 --> 00:52:35,902
Well, I get to go to the library.
[chuckles] It's a 50-yard walk from here
904
00:52:35,986 --> 00:52:40,282
across the parking lot to the library.
That's my fresh air.
905
00:52:40,365 --> 00:52:42,868
[reporter] Ted, when you left Salt Lake,
when you were extradited,
906
00:52:42,951 --> 00:52:45,036
you issued a statement saying...
907
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:46,454
you feel that...
908
00:52:47,038 --> 00:52:49,416
everything will turn out all right,
that you are innocent.
909
00:52:49,499 --> 00:52:50,500
Do you still feel that?
910
00:52:50,584 --> 00:52:52,878
You bet. Yeah, more than ever.
911
00:52:52,961 --> 00:52:55,463
I feel good about it,
and yes, I feel that I'm right,
912
00:52:55,547 --> 00:52:57,299
and yes, I feel I'm going to make it.
913
00:52:57,382 --> 00:52:58,717
No doubt in my mind.
914
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:02,137
Gotta stick it up here more.
915
00:53:02,220 --> 00:53:04,514
Let me ask just a question here now, okay?
916
00:53:04,973 --> 00:53:06,308
You are not guilty?
917
00:53:07,350 --> 00:53:10,312
No, I'm not guilty. [laughs]
918
00:53:10,812 --> 00:53:14,774
Does that include the time I stole
a comic book when I was five years old?
919
00:53:14,858 --> 00:53:18,028
[chuckles] I am not guilty of the charges
which have been filed against me.
920
00:53:18,111 --> 00:53:19,571
And the allegations?
921
00:53:19,654 --> 00:53:22,073
-And the allegations.
-And the rumors, and--
922
00:53:22,157 --> 00:53:24,784
I don't know all of what
you're speaking about, Lucky.
923
00:53:24,868 --> 00:53:27,787
It's too broad, and I can't
get into it in any detail.
924
00:53:27,871 --> 00:53:29,039
Uh...
925
00:53:29,122 --> 00:53:31,708
But I'm satisfied with-- with my...
926
00:53:32,334 --> 00:53:34,377
blanket statement that I'm innocent.
927
00:53:34,794 --> 00:53:37,255
Uh, no man is truly innocent.
928
00:53:37,339 --> 00:53:40,967
I mean, we all transgressed
in some way in our lives.
929
00:53:41,051 --> 00:53:42,260
And as I say I...
930
00:53:43,136 --> 00:53:44,262
I've been, uh...
931
00:53:44,346 --> 00:53:47,974
impolite and other things
I regret having done in my life,
932
00:53:48,475 --> 00:53:50,227
uh, but...
933
00:53:50,810 --> 00:53:54,105
nothing like the things
I think that you're referring to.
934
00:53:54,981 --> 00:53:56,942
[female reporter] Have you ever
physically harmed anyone?
935
00:53:57,025 --> 00:53:58,818
"Ever physically harmed anyone"?
936
00:53:59,444 --> 00:54:00,445
No.
937
00:54:02,113 --> 00:54:03,031
No.
938
00:54:03,657 --> 00:54:05,283
You know, uh...
939
00:54:06,326 --> 00:54:09,829
Again, not in the context
I think that you're speaking of.
940
00:54:10,872 --> 00:54:12,499
You know? [inhales]
941
00:54:15,043 --> 00:54:17,545
[male reporter]
Do you think about getting out of here?
942
00:54:17,629 --> 00:54:19,130
Well... [chuckles]
943
00:54:19,214 --> 00:54:22,050
Well, legally, sure. [chuckles]
944
00:54:32,686 --> 00:54:35,480
[Bundy] As the months and weeks
wore on into spring,
945
00:54:35,563 --> 00:54:38,566
I think that one opportunity
after another passed,
946
00:54:38,650 --> 00:54:42,195
and I became more and more
impatient with myself.
947
00:54:44,864 --> 00:54:47,909
I psyched, psyched, psyched
myself up for weeks.
948
00:54:48,326 --> 00:54:50,161
And literally, it took-- it took weeks.
949
00:54:52,205 --> 00:54:58,962
I began jumping off the top bunk
in my cell in the Garfield County jail.
950
00:54:59,045 --> 00:55:02,507
Jumping again and again and again
off the top bunk to the floor
951
00:55:02,590 --> 00:55:04,592
to strengthen my legs for the impact.
952
00:55:06,594 --> 00:55:08,763
I measured,
mentally measured the distance
953
00:55:08,847 --> 00:55:10,849
from the corner of the courthouse
to the alley
954
00:55:10,932 --> 00:55:14,227
and from the alley to the riverbed
and from the riverbed to the mountains.
955
00:55:18,106 --> 00:55:21,067
And I measured my cell
and I ran those distances.
956
00:55:21,568 --> 00:55:23,903
I ran those distances again and again.
957
00:55:25,488 --> 00:55:28,408
I practiced how rapidly
I could change my clothes
958
00:55:28,491 --> 00:55:31,369
from my courtroom attire
to my shorts, and...
959
00:55:32,162 --> 00:55:34,414
I, uh, got a haircut...
960
00:55:35,123 --> 00:55:37,042
so that I had a different appearance.
961
00:55:39,044 --> 00:55:41,004
Finally I stood right before it.
962
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:43,006
I hesitated.
963
00:55:43,089 --> 00:55:46,468
You cannot believe the thoughts
that flipped through my mind.
964
00:55:46,551 --> 00:55:47,635
I could be free.
965
00:55:48,053 --> 00:55:52,974
The windows were open and the fresh air
is blowing through and the sky was blue.
966
00:55:55,226 --> 00:55:56,770
And I said, "I'm ready to go,"
967
00:55:56,853 --> 00:55:58,855
and I walked to the window and jumped out.
[laughs]
967
00:55:59,305 --> 00:56:59,731
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