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[crowd cheering]
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[man] I must be
in heaven, man.
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'Cause I get to introduce
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Little Steven
and the Disciples of Soul!
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Little Steven
and the Disciples of Soul.
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["Voice of America"
by Steven Van Zandt playing]
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♪ Can you hear me? ♪
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♪ Wake up ♪
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♪ Where's the voice
Of America? ♪
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♪ Can you hear me? ♪
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♪ Wake up ♪
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♪ Where's the voice
Of America? ♪
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Listen!
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♪ I know that we knew ♪
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♪ Right from wrong
Once upon a time ♪
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♪ Everything we stood for
Has been compromised ♪
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♪ I been quiet ♪
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♪ Too quiet ♪
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♪ While across
Our borderline ♪
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♪ My people lie ♪
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♪ Can you hear me? ♪
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♪ I said wake up ♪
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♪ We are the voice
Of America ♪
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♪ Can you hear me? ♪
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♪ Wake up ♪
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♪ We're the voice
Of America ♪
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♪ We're the voice
Of America ♪
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♪ We're the voice
Of America ♪
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♪ We're the voice
Of America ♪
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All right.
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[crowd cheering]
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["Some Things Don't Change"
by Southside Johnny playing]
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♪ After the wind
Dried my eyes ♪
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It was a time
when there were clubs
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all over for teenagers.
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On a Friday
or Saturday night,
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you had your choice
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of a dozen places to go
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to hear live music.
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[Stevie] We just had
a million places to play.
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Beach clubs and VFW halls
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and-and-and
high school dances,
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and there were clubs
built for teenagers.
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♪ And jump for joy
And Xanadu ♪
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♪ It's Hullabaloo ♪
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The Hullabaloo clubs
were a franchise
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from the television show.
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For one reason or another,
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I was going to the one
in Middletown one weekend.
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I walk in, and...
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uh, there was,
uh, a band playing,
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sounded really good.
Stevie was fronting.
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My recollection is,
I always say
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he had on a huge paisley tie
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that caught my attention,
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- and it was funny.
- Bruce had a band,
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The Castiles,
it was one of those bands.
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My band was the Source.
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Our two bands were the only
bands that had managers.
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He had this crazy character
named Tex, you know,
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and I had Big Mama McEvilly,
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who was the drummer's,
my drummer's mother.
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And I don't know if we
exchanged some information.
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I didn't have a phone.
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There was just some
mystical thing in the air
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that happens when
you meet somebody
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who feels about
something the same way
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with the kind of intensity
that you feel about it.
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So he just became
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my rock and roll brother
instantly, you know?
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Now tonight, the whole country
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is waiting to hear
England's Beatles.
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February 8th, 1964,
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there were no bands
in America.
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February 9th they play
The Ed Sullivan Show,
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February 10th, everybody
had a band in their garage.
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It was revealing this
extraordinary new world,
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especially for those of us
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who were misfits, freaks,
and outcasts, you know.
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We're not relating to anything
that society was offering us.
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But they were so good,
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you couldn't
picture doing it.
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What nobody knew
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is that we'd been
rehearsing and practicing
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in Britain, in Europe,
in Hamburg,
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and we'd put in
a lot of hours, you know.
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It's Malcolm Gladwell's
10,000 hours.
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Um, so by the time
we reached America,
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we were a fully formed beast.
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But you couldn't imagine
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how you get into
that world, you know?
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Four months later,
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lucky for us,
the Rolling Stones come.
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You know, they made it look
easier than it was.
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They wore different things,
they had no harmony,
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you know, it was
the first punk band.
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You've gotta
keep things simple.
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That's the great thing.
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If you listen
to any great records,
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they're so simple.
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[Stevie]
The fact that Mick Jagger
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did not smile.
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That to me meant this is not
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show business anymore,
this is a lifestyle.
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I was like,
"I want to do that."
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["Trapped Again"
by Southside Johnny playing]
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We would put together
one band after another,
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and we couldn't
get work, really.
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Nobody wanted to hire bands
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that were playing
any original music.
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[Stevie] I go see Bruce,
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he said there's
this new place called
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Upstage at Asbury Park.
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There was this
crazy idea for a club,
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just for kids, no booze,
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open from 8:00 at night
till 5:00 in the morning.
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And if you were good,
you would lead the jams.
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Stevie Van Zandt,
he's my baby,
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you know? [chuckles]
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The fact that he
played bass, keyboard.
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Of course, Steven excels
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with his guitar
and his voice.
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He and Bruce made
a great combination.
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Totally different
guitar players,
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and constantly
on the stage together.
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They would sweep the floor,
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they loaded soda machines,
they did everything.
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[Stevie] And Upstage
became the place
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where we met everybody.
Southside Johnny,
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Garry Tallent, Vini Lopez,
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uh, Danny Federici, everybody.
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And one day I came,
and there's this guy
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with long bushy hair
on stage,
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he was doing
a Yardbirds song,
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and he was killing it.
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I mean, the passion
was so much there.
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The guitar playing was great.
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He was killing the singing,
I just, I went,
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"Who's this guy?
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I don't need the competition.
I'm the singer here."
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But I figured I could either
make friends or kill him,
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so I went back
and made friends.
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And it was really the start
of a great friendship.
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You'd be in
one guy's band one week,
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another guy's band
another week,
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'cause they're putting
bands together, trying things.
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We did a duet thing one time,
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just guitar and harmonica.
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It was very fluid back then.
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And we were
rooting for each other,
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you know, we were
mildly competitive.
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But I think the love
we had for each other
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overwhelmed everything.
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[Johnny] He was one of those
guys I met, like Bruce,
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who said flat out at 17,
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"I'm gonna be a musician."
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[Bruce] We didn't think
"I should prepare to be...
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maybe I should
study up and do," no.
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It was all or nothing
at all, you know?
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Bruce was the first
really to get out.
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I mean, he-he actually
got an album made,
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and was playing around
the country a little bit.
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[Stevie]
Bruce and I had a bunch
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of different bands together,
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but he actually got signed
as a folk singer.
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Unfortunately,
Bruce had to say, uh,
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you know, "Now that
I'm signed as a folk singer,
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I'm not a folk singer,"
you know. [chuckling]
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"I got a band."
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And so the record
company's pissed.
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I was one guitar too many.
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At that point, you know,
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I said, "You know what?
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I think we missed
the boat anyway."
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So I quit entirely,
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and, um, I started
working construction.
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Steven lived
with my wife and I.
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He was working a jackhammer
on the parkway.
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He would come home
literally covered in tar,
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his hands would be like this.
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I'm saying, "You're a guitar
player, you can't do this,"
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and finally he got a gig
with The Dovells,
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uh, and did
the oldies circuit.
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["You Can't Sit Down"
by the Dovells playing]
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Uh, the Dovells made a couple
fantastic records,
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"Bristol Stomp"
and "You Can't Sit Down,"
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and along the oldies circuit,
you're also gonna play Vegas.
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Now, I'm a big...
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gambler as a kid
at that point.
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I'm also a bit of a Mob
aficionado, you know?
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So I'm all in, okay,
um, you know,
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and, um, and that begins
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a very big chapter
in my education.
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["The City Weeps Tonight"
by Little Steven playing]
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[Stevie] Back in the '50s,
we were really segregated.
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The white DJs were supposed
to play their white artists
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for their white audiences,
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the Black DJs were supposed
to do the same thing.
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There was Little Richard,
Bo Diddley, and Chuck Berry.
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When courageous DJs
like Alan Freed
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started playing
those Black records
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for their white audiences,
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that's when rock and roll
went to another dimension.
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Popular music became
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an instrument
for social change,
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and launched
a cultural phenomenon
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known as
the British Invasion.
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Ironically,
the British Invasion
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had the unintended
consequence
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of putting all those
pioneers out of work.
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If you had two hits
when the Beatles came,
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you were gonna
play those two hits
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the rest of your life.
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I get on this oldies tour,
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and all of these guys
have been put out to pasture
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in their thirties
and early forties.
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I mean, they are in
the prime of their lives.
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So they're all pissed off.
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All of 'em.
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They hate being
called oldies.
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They're not old.
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I'm the only one
having a great time.
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You know, I'm meeting
all these amazing people.
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Stevie would hang with us
on the tours we were doing.
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He always had a little hat,
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a little cap or beanie
or something on.
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And he always wore, like,
a purple jacket, brown pants.
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You never knew where
the style was going to go.
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[Dion]
The first time I met Steven,
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I was doing a show
for Dick Clark
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at the Flamingo Hotel.
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So I guess he's
up in the balcony,
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I'm doing a sound check,
and I start doing...
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Robert Johnson songs.
[chuckles]
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He was a great
blues writer and singer.
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A lot of people
don't know who he is.
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And I'm like,
"Am I hallucinating or what?"
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It turns out he's into,
you know, Robert Johnson,
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he's into Hank Williams,
he's into things, you know,
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that were just
fascinating to me.
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After we met at the Flamingo
Hotel, he joined my band.
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[Stevie] He says,
"We got a couple gigs left,"
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this oldies circuit thing
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was gonna end in Miami,
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and I come back to
Asbury Park January 2nd,
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and I'm still wearing
a flowered short-sleeved shirt,
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and the Frank Sinatra,
Sam Snead hat,
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and I'm like,
"Fuck winter, okay? I'm done.
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I'm tropical from now on."
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I'm carrying it with me, okay?
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And that's how Bruce starts
calling me "Miami Steve."
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♪ You're sweeter
Than the honey ♪
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♪ That the bees make ♪
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♪ Soul sister... ♪
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[Stevie] I got back,
me, Johnny, Bruce,
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and I think Gary,
went to see Sam and Dave,
259
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and they inspired us to start
260
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Southside Johnny
& the Asbury Jukes,
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combining rock and soul.
262
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["Got to be a Better Way Home"
by Southside Johnny & Jukes]
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[Stevie] I was
not only leading the band,
264
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you know,
but also managing it
265
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and doing all the business.
266
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We just kind of organically
built a band to do
267
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lots of different
types of music.
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I always wanted horns.
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'Cause Count Basie
and Duke Ellington,
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that's what I grew up
listening to, but more.
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The horns are on those old
Atlantic records, Stax-Volt.
272
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Steven really wanted them too.
273
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That's where
we had a mutuality.
274
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We both wanted to hear
this horn section go "Ba-da!"
275
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[Stevie] The scene revitalized
276
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when, uh, we put
the Jukes together.
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We just went into a bar
278
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that was about
to go out of business.
279
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There had been
a hurricane or something,
280
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the roof was falling in.
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It was called The Stone Pony.
282
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We said, "Look,
we'll play for the door,
283
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you have nothing to lose,
we play what we want."
284
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[rock music playing]
285
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[crowd cheering]
286
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[announcer] They started
lining up in the rain
287
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outside The Stone Pony
in Asbury Park
288
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six hours before
the 10:00 p.m. kickoff
289
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of the biggest night
in the lives
290
00:13:05,201 --> 00:13:08,079
of Southside Johnny
& the Asbury Jukes.
291
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[chuckling] You hear that?
Say that louder.
292
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That's the greatest.
293
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I've come to see
them 120 times.
294
00:13:15,462 --> 00:13:17,088
120 times!
295
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Who goes to see
anyone 120 times?
296
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[announcer] Kids would
huddle on the boardwalk
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with transistor radios,
298
00:13:22,761 --> 00:13:24,971
listening along
with their friends at home,
299
00:13:24,971 --> 00:13:27,015
and in bars along
the Jersey Shore,
300
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to the first live
concert broadcast
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in the history
of Asbury Park.
302
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Tonight may be Memorial Day
in the rest of America,
303
00:13:38,068 --> 00:13:40,695
but it's New Year's Eve
in Asbury Park.
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- All we wanna know...
- Yeah?
305
00:13:42,864 --> 00:13:45,241
...is what are you people
doing in my town?
306
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["This Time It's for Real"
by Southside Johnny & Jukes]
307
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I... I consider myself
very fortunate
308
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that I got to see
a bit of that part
309
00:13:56,169 --> 00:13:57,879
of Asbury Park.
310
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The boardwalk,
the club scene,
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Steven trying to create
an original sound
312
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out of classic dirt, grit,
313
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mud, heart, soul.
314
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Seeing them in this bar,
315
00:14:12,018 --> 00:14:15,772
you know, they were
just so powerful, you know?
316
00:14:15,772 --> 00:14:17,107
But you know, I always joke
317
00:14:17,107 --> 00:14:19,359
that we were probably
Southside fans
318
00:14:19,359 --> 00:14:22,278
before we were E Street Band
and Bruce fans.
319
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[cheering]
320
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I don't know about you...
321
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♪ We're having a party ♪
322
00:14:30,954 --> 00:14:33,331
♪ Everybody's swinging ♪
323
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♪ Dancing to the music... ♪
324
00:14:35,917 --> 00:14:38,003
[Stevie] So Bruce had done
the showcase clubs.
325
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You know, each stage,
the rules change.
326
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Once you're in that stage,
327
00:14:43,049 --> 00:14:44,884
and the records
weren't selling,
328
00:14:44,884 --> 00:14:46,970
and you know, he wasn't
gonna graduate
329
00:14:46,970 --> 00:14:48,930
to, uh, anywhere past that,
330
00:14:48,930 --> 00:14:51,725
so you know, he's coming down,
hanging out with us.
331
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♪ Dancing with my baby ♪
332
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♪ We're having a party ♪
333
00:14:59,107 --> 00:15:02,152
♪ Everybody's swinging ♪
334
00:15:02,152 --> 00:15:04,904
♪ Dancing to the music ♪
335
00:15:05,697 --> 00:15:07,741
♪ On the radio ♪
336
00:15:07,741 --> 00:15:09,200
♪ Oh yeah ♪
337
00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:11,244
♪ So listen, Mr. DJ... ♪
338
00:15:11,244 --> 00:15:13,121
[Stevie]
He created extra interest.
339
00:15:13,121 --> 00:15:14,372
People started coming
340
00:15:14,372 --> 00:15:16,374
from North Jersey
and Philadelphia,
341
00:15:16,374 --> 00:15:19,002
and we started to really
build up an audience,
342
00:15:19,002 --> 00:15:21,379
and we go to a second night,
and a third.
343
00:15:21,379 --> 00:15:22,839
One more time!
344
00:15:22,839 --> 00:15:25,050
♪ We're having a party... ♪
345
00:15:25,050 --> 00:15:27,260
[Stevie] That is what made
346
00:15:27,260 --> 00:15:29,679
that scene become
even more special.
347
00:15:29,679 --> 00:15:32,432
♪ Dancing to the music ♪
348
00:15:32,432 --> 00:15:35,060
♪ On the radio ♪
349
00:15:36,061 --> 00:15:39,230
♪ So listen, Mr. DJ ♪
350
00:15:39,230 --> 00:15:42,025
♪ Keep those
Records playing ♪
351
00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:45,820
♪ 'Cause I'm having
Such a good time ♪
352
00:15:45,820 --> 00:15:49,491
♪ Dancing ♪
353
00:15:50,909 --> 00:15:52,535
♪ With my ♪
354
00:15:52,535 --> 00:15:57,582
♪ Baby ♪
355
00:15:57,582 --> 00:16:00,669
[crowd cheering]
356
00:16:07,050 --> 00:16:09,427
[man] I think I really met
Steve for the first time
357
00:16:09,427 --> 00:16:12,138
when he came in
and saved our asses
358
00:16:12,138 --> 00:16:14,224
on "Tenth Avenue
Freeze-Out."
359
00:16:14,516 --> 00:16:17,143
We just knew
we hadn't fully realized
360
00:16:17,143 --> 00:16:19,145
the potential of the song.
361
00:16:19,145 --> 00:16:21,106
So Bruce calls Steve,
362
00:16:21,106 --> 00:16:23,024
who comes barreling in.
363
00:16:23,024 --> 00:16:25,610
And I have no knowledge,
364
00:16:25,610 --> 00:16:27,987
or particular diplomacy,
365
00:16:27,987 --> 00:16:30,156
or, you know, sophistication
366
00:16:30,156 --> 00:16:32,575
about the music business
at that point,
367
00:16:32,575 --> 00:16:35,036
and these guys are fucking up
my friend's record.
368
00:16:35,036 --> 00:16:36,996
And Bruce, you know,
369
00:16:36,996 --> 00:16:38,873
says, "Hey,
what do you think?"
370
00:16:38,873 --> 00:16:40,333
You know. [chuckling]
371
00:16:40,917 --> 00:16:42,335
Big mistake.
372
00:16:42,669 --> 00:16:44,379
And I was like...
373
00:16:44,879 --> 00:16:46,214
"This sucks."
374
00:16:46,214 --> 00:16:48,800
He kind of laughs it away,
and says, "All right,
375
00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:51,136
then go in there
and fix it then."
376
00:16:51,136 --> 00:16:54,514
Then he says, "Everybody,
377
00:16:54,514 --> 00:16:57,475
take that paper you're
looking at, throw it away."
378
00:16:57,475 --> 00:17:01,771
["Tenth Avenue Freeze-Out"
by Bruce Springsteen playing]
379
00:17:01,771 --> 00:17:03,565
"You, this is
what you're playing.
380
00:17:03,565 --> 00:17:04,816
You, play this.
381
00:17:04,816 --> 00:17:06,985
Now I want it
to sound real guttural,
382
00:17:06,985 --> 00:17:08,987
I want it to sound funky.
383
00:17:08,987 --> 00:17:11,114
Okay? I don't want
it to sound smooth.
384
00:17:11,114 --> 00:17:14,117
I want it to sound like soul."
385
00:17:14,117 --> 00:17:15,910
♪ I was standing
In the jungle ♪
386
00:17:15,910 --> 00:17:19,664
♪ Trying to take in all
The heat that was given... ♪
387
00:17:22,125 --> 00:17:23,960
[Jon] All of a sudden,
it was electric.
388
00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:25,211
You know, it was great.
389
00:17:25,211 --> 00:17:27,088
It only took 20 minutes.
390
00:17:27,088 --> 00:17:29,674
This guy is somebody
to deal with.
391
00:17:29,674 --> 00:17:31,593
It was just a grand slam.
392
00:17:31,593 --> 00:17:33,053
I had met another character,
393
00:17:33,053 --> 00:17:35,347
which I should mention...
[chuckling]
394
00:17:35,347 --> 00:17:37,807
...uh, named Jimmy Iovine,
395
00:17:37,807 --> 00:17:40,185
who was the engineer
on Born to Run.
396
00:17:40,685 --> 00:17:44,356
Uh, Jimmy says, um, "I know
you got this band, the Jukes,
397
00:17:44,356 --> 00:17:46,399
I got the key to the studio.
398
00:17:47,525 --> 00:17:50,362
We'll sneak them in after
hours and do a demo."
399
00:17:50,362 --> 00:17:52,197
I don't remember
the exact hustle,
400
00:17:52,197 --> 00:17:54,240
but I'm sure there
was a hustle involved.
401
00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:57,077
I got busy inside.
You got me doing this shit.
402
00:17:57,077 --> 00:17:58,828
Get Steve Van Zandt out here.
403
00:17:58,828 --> 00:18:00,497
He'll talk to you
all you want.
404
00:18:00,497 --> 00:18:01,748
He's better looking.
405
00:18:02,082 --> 00:18:03,375
Later.
406
00:18:03,375 --> 00:18:05,418
[Jimmy] We were doing
everything we could
407
00:18:05,418 --> 00:18:08,672
to help Steve and Southside
get the record done.
408
00:18:08,672 --> 00:18:12,050
Bruce suggests I see this guy
Steve Popovich,
409
00:18:12,050 --> 00:18:14,386
I give Steve the demo,
he loves it,
410
00:18:14,386 --> 00:18:17,389
and starts the process
of signing the band.
411
00:18:17,389 --> 00:18:20,892
And Steve Popovich,
in his insanity,
412
00:18:20,892 --> 00:18:24,312
sends the demo to Kid Leo,
413
00:18:24,312 --> 00:18:26,898
the most popular DJ
414
00:18:26,898 --> 00:18:28,983
at the most popular station,
415
00:18:28,983 --> 00:18:30,735
uh, in Cleveland.
416
00:18:30,735 --> 00:18:32,570
So Popovich is like...
417
00:18:33,113 --> 00:18:34,906
"We better start
making this record.
418
00:18:34,906 --> 00:18:36,116
It's already getting airplay."
419
00:18:36,116 --> 00:18:38,410
♪ Baby ♪
420
00:18:38,410 --> 00:18:41,204
♪ This time
It's for real... ♪
421
00:18:42,414 --> 00:18:44,624
You have the bootleg
Southside Johnny?
422
00:18:45,667 --> 00:18:47,961
[Stevie] We started
paying for the record,
423
00:18:47,961 --> 00:18:49,421
we happened
to have a good year
424
00:18:49,421 --> 00:18:51,214
at the track that summer.
425
00:18:51,214 --> 00:18:54,259
And, uh, which, uh...
426
00:18:54,718 --> 00:18:56,761
makes me curious as to
427
00:18:56,761 --> 00:18:58,179
why we've never received
428
00:18:58,179 --> 00:19:00,682
one single penny in royalties.
[chuckling]
429
00:19:00,682 --> 00:19:04,769
He gave me my first
royalty point on an album,
430
00:19:04,769 --> 00:19:07,564
which was Southside Johnny
& the Asbury Jukes.
431
00:19:07,564 --> 00:19:10,358
I'm not sure if
I ever got the royalty,
432
00:19:10,358 --> 00:19:11,818
but he gave it to me.
433
00:19:11,818 --> 00:19:14,320
I ought to call him
about that.
434
00:19:15,572 --> 00:19:17,157
♪ Baby ♪
435
00:19:17,157 --> 00:19:20,243
♪ This time
It's for real... ♪
436
00:19:20,910 --> 00:19:22,787
We still owe
money probably too.
437
00:19:23,288 --> 00:19:24,789
And that's kind of
how it went, you know?
438
00:19:24,789 --> 00:19:28,960
Uh, we'd had a handshake
agreement with Steve Popovich.
439
00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:32,672
[Stevie] I can safely say
nobody in the record industry
440
00:19:32,672 --> 00:19:35,759
would have, uh,
the same personality,
441
00:19:36,176 --> 00:19:37,886
uh, and been so encouraging,
442
00:19:37,886 --> 00:19:40,305
because we had a lot of
crazy ideas for the Jukes.
443
00:19:40,305 --> 00:19:42,265
I wanted to bring
Ronnie Spector
444
00:19:42,265 --> 00:19:44,309
and Lee Dorsey in
on the first record.
445
00:19:44,309 --> 00:19:47,479
We wanted to bring in
the Drifters and Coasters,
446
00:19:47,479 --> 00:19:49,898
and the Five Satins
on the second record,
447
00:19:49,898 --> 00:19:51,483
uh, reuniting them.
448
00:19:51,483 --> 00:19:53,651
Uh, these were not
commercial ideas.
449
00:19:53,651 --> 00:19:56,112
[Jimmy] I remember
doing Southside Johnny,
450
00:19:56,112 --> 00:19:57,697
he brought in Lee Dorsey.
451
00:19:57,697 --> 00:20:00,200
I was like,
"What are you talking about?"
452
00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:02,369
He said, "Shut up,
you don't understand."
453
00:20:02,369 --> 00:20:05,372
[chuckling] I said, "You're
right, I don't understand."
454
00:20:05,372 --> 00:20:07,749
I don't understand
how it all went together.
455
00:20:07,749 --> 00:20:11,127
I learned a lot from Steve
and Bruce both on soul music.
456
00:20:11,127 --> 00:20:12,921
I don't wanna go home.
457
00:20:12,921 --> 00:20:14,589
[crowd cheering]
458
00:20:14,589 --> 00:20:17,717
["I Don't Want to Go Home"
by Southside Johnny playing]
459
00:20:19,302 --> 00:20:20,637
[Jimmy]
He knew what he wanted
460
00:20:20,637 --> 00:20:23,348
that band to sound like.
His arrangement power,
461
00:20:23,348 --> 00:20:26,935
his commitment
to authentic music.
462
00:20:28,812 --> 00:20:31,356
♪ I know that
It's getting late ♪
463
00:20:31,356 --> 00:20:34,526
♪ But I don't
Want to go home ♪
464
00:20:35,902 --> 00:20:39,239
♪ I am in no hurry
Baby, time can wait ♪
465
00:20:39,239 --> 00:20:42,617
♪ I don't want
To go home... ♪
466
00:20:43,451 --> 00:20:46,705
[Stevie] You know, I had been
writing for years, really,
467
00:20:46,705 --> 00:20:48,623
and I never liked
anything I wrote.
468
00:20:48,623 --> 00:20:50,458
I just couldn't relate to it.
469
00:20:50,458 --> 00:20:52,293
I decide, "You know what?
I gotta go to school.
470
00:20:52,293 --> 00:20:55,255
I'm gonna go to school
my own way."
471
00:20:55,255 --> 00:20:59,551
Well, I decide it begins
with Leiber and Stoller.
472
00:20:59,551 --> 00:21:01,219
Jerry Leiber and Mike Stoller
473
00:21:01,219 --> 00:21:03,388
were the first
songwriter-producers
474
00:21:03,388 --> 00:21:06,224
that set the template
for everybody who followed.
475
00:21:06,224 --> 00:21:08,018
I decide,
"Okay, I'm gonna write
476
00:21:08,018 --> 00:21:09,728
a Leiber and Stoller song
477
00:21:09,728 --> 00:21:11,855
for Ben E. King
and the Drifters.
478
00:21:11,855 --> 00:21:13,565
That's gonna be my mission."
479
00:21:13,565 --> 00:21:15,942
And I write
"I Don't Want to Go Home,"
480
00:21:15,942 --> 00:21:18,987
which was the first song
I ever liked that I wrote.
481
00:21:18,987 --> 00:21:21,865
I didn't have the courage
to give it to Ben E. King.
482
00:21:21,865 --> 00:21:25,035
♪ Look at all
The people staying ♪
483
00:21:25,035 --> 00:21:27,370
♪ I don't want to go home ♪
484
00:21:27,370 --> 00:21:28,997
That's because...
485
00:21:28,997 --> 00:21:32,208
♪ In their minds
They've all been there ♪
486
00:21:32,208 --> 00:21:36,212
♪ And I don't wanna go home ♪
487
00:21:36,212 --> 00:21:38,173
♪ I know the words ♪
488
00:21:38,173 --> 00:21:40,300
♪ I know
They've got to be real ♪
489
00:21:40,300 --> 00:21:42,844
♪ Because
I don't wanna go home ♪
490
00:21:43,511 --> 00:21:48,099
♪ Baby, it's talking about
The way I feel ♪
491
00:21:48,099 --> 00:21:50,185
♪ And I don't wanna go home ♪
492
00:21:50,185 --> 00:21:54,481
♪ Baby, I know
We had to try ♪
493
00:21:54,481 --> 00:21:57,901
♪ To reach up
And touch the sky... ♪
494
00:21:57,901 --> 00:21:59,277
[man] It was perfect.
495
00:21:59,277 --> 00:22:01,279
The arrangement,
and the chart,
496
00:22:01,279 --> 00:22:04,824
the whole thing sounded
pretty much in the bag
497
00:22:04,824 --> 00:22:07,535
that, of the stuff
that we were doing.
498
00:22:08,244 --> 00:22:11,122
The song itself
I thought was wonderful,
499
00:22:11,122 --> 00:22:13,583
because it's so insistent.
500
00:22:13,583 --> 00:22:16,127
When he's like,
"I don't wanna go home,"
501
00:22:16,127 --> 00:22:18,838
it lends itself
to being repeated,
502
00:22:18,838 --> 00:22:21,466
and it's very touching.
503
00:22:21,883 --> 00:22:24,386
I think Ben E. King
would have loved it.
504
00:22:25,136 --> 00:22:27,555
♪ Sweeter than honey ♪
505
00:22:27,972 --> 00:22:29,140
♪ Believe it... ♪
506
00:22:29,140 --> 00:22:31,309
Back then,
everybody had a turntable,
507
00:22:31,309 --> 00:22:33,978
they brought their vinyl,
everybody's listening.
508
00:22:33,978 --> 00:22:36,272
I walked into a friend's room,
509
00:22:36,272 --> 00:22:39,901
and the first Southside
Johnny album was playing
510
00:22:39,901 --> 00:22:41,403
"I Don't Want to Go Home,"
511
00:22:41,403 --> 00:22:42,862
I'm like, "What's this?"
512
00:22:42,862 --> 00:22:45,532
"This is great. I've never
heard anything like this."
513
00:22:45,532 --> 00:22:48,284
And I looked, and it was
Steven Van Zandt.
514
00:22:48,284 --> 00:22:50,620
♪ Or a picture book ♪
515
00:22:50,620 --> 00:22:54,290
♪ I'm talking about
Love, love, love ♪
516
00:22:54,290 --> 00:22:57,919
♪ Ain't nothing
But love, love, love... ♪
517
00:22:57,919 --> 00:22:59,921
When you're a kid and have
a record in your hand,
518
00:22:59,921 --> 00:23:02,507
you're always reading who did
what, who wrote what,
519
00:23:02,507 --> 00:23:04,342
who produced what,
this and that,
520
00:23:04,342 --> 00:23:06,302
so Steve was that.
521
00:23:06,302 --> 00:23:10,306
♪ And that kind of love
Don't come easy ♪
522
00:23:10,306 --> 00:23:14,185
♪ Baby, ain't much of it
In the world around you... ♪
523
00:23:14,185 --> 00:23:17,230
Steve and Southside were
a very powerful team together,
524
00:23:17,230 --> 00:23:20,567
and they made
really good records.
525
00:23:20,567 --> 00:23:21,901
I used to say, "Steven,
526
00:23:21,901 --> 00:23:23,862
maybe you should
sing your stuff yourself."
527
00:23:23,862 --> 00:23:26,823
He wasn't ready to be
the front man at the time,
528
00:23:26,823 --> 00:23:29,826
which was the right decision
for him at that moment,
529
00:23:29,826 --> 00:23:32,245
because the records
he made with Southside's,
530
00:23:32,245 --> 00:23:34,622
uh, fabulous voice, and,
531
00:23:34,622 --> 00:23:37,584
and did great justice
to Stevie's material.
532
00:23:37,584 --> 00:23:40,545
What's gonna happen with
Steven? He gonna come out?
533
00:23:43,548 --> 00:23:46,009
Steven had already thought
he was gonna go with Bruce,
534
00:23:46,009 --> 00:23:47,719
even at the beginning
of the first record.
535
00:23:47,719 --> 00:23:49,637
We convinced
the record company
536
00:23:49,637 --> 00:23:51,222
it would be okay without me
537
00:23:51,222 --> 00:23:53,558
and I'd still
be there producing.
538
00:23:53,558 --> 00:23:55,685
And I was basically
gonna join up
539
00:23:55,685 --> 00:23:57,187
with Bruce for a minute.
540
00:23:57,812 --> 00:24:00,398
I went for seven gigs,
and I stayed seven years.
541
00:24:00,398 --> 00:24:02,901
♪ Rosalita
Jump a little higher ♪
542
00:24:02,901 --> 00:24:05,779
♪ Señorita
Come sit by my fire... ♪
543
00:24:06,696 --> 00:24:08,448
[Bruce] The friendship
was so intense,
544
00:24:08,448 --> 00:24:10,617
and I needed
another sounding board,
545
00:24:10,617 --> 00:24:13,244
and somebody
with Stevie's creativity,
546
00:24:13,244 --> 00:24:14,996
and things were going good.
547
00:24:14,996 --> 00:24:16,373
It was just a no-brainer.
548
00:24:16,373 --> 00:24:18,208
You know, we were so close
549
00:24:18,208 --> 00:24:20,251
that I just wanted
him near me,
550
00:24:20,251 --> 00:24:22,003
I wanted him at my side.
551
00:24:22,462 --> 00:24:23,838
[man] I heard that
when he was
552
00:24:23,838 --> 00:24:25,757
in the E Street Band
on those great tours,
553
00:24:25,757 --> 00:24:27,884
that he was managing
Southside Johnny,
554
00:24:27,884 --> 00:24:30,261
making payphone calls
before cell phones,
555
00:24:30,261 --> 00:24:33,431
and dealing with the Southside
Johnny Asbury Jukes stuff.
556
00:24:33,431 --> 00:24:35,183
I know that.
557
00:24:35,183 --> 00:24:36,893
Don't you think I know that?
558
00:24:36,893 --> 00:24:38,019
I know that.
559
00:24:38,019 --> 00:24:39,896
["Rosalita" by
Bruce Springsteen playing]
560
00:24:39,896 --> 00:24:41,022
On the piano,
561
00:24:41,523 --> 00:24:43,066
Professor Roy Bittan!
562
00:24:43,900 --> 00:24:46,945
[crowd cheering]
563
00:24:48,905 --> 00:24:51,366
On the bass guitar,
Garry W. Tallent.
564
00:24:51,366 --> 00:24:53,535
The names,
the nicknames, you know,
565
00:24:53,535 --> 00:24:55,745
the Big Mick,
Miami Steve,
566
00:24:55,745 --> 00:24:57,622
the Mighty Maxim, it's like...
567
00:24:57,622 --> 00:24:59,791
On the guitar, Miami Steve.
568
00:24:59,791 --> 00:25:01,960
[Jackson] It was
traditional rock and roll
569
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,379
done in a very powerful
and new way.
570
00:25:04,379 --> 00:25:06,798
On the drums, the Mighty Max.
571
00:25:08,633 --> 00:25:12,262
It was new, but it was old.
It was both.
572
00:25:12,262 --> 00:25:14,597
On the organ, Dan Federici.
573
00:25:18,476 --> 00:25:21,980
On the saxophone,
Clarence Clemons.
574
00:25:23,398 --> 00:25:24,733
[Paul] The E Street Band,
575
00:25:24,733 --> 00:25:27,736
you know, you got
guys from Jersey.
576
00:25:28,361 --> 00:25:30,030
Loads of things
make a good band.
577
00:25:30,030 --> 00:25:32,615
I think one of
the important things
578
00:25:32,615 --> 00:25:35,410
is if you're all from
the kind of same area,
579
00:25:35,827 --> 00:25:38,246
if you all relate
to the same sort of stuff.
580
00:25:38,246 --> 00:25:42,250
[man] Everyone working
toward the exact same goal,
581
00:25:42,250 --> 00:25:43,710
in the same direction,
582
00:25:43,710 --> 00:25:45,337
from the same neighborhood,
583
00:25:45,337 --> 00:25:47,339
at the same time in history,
584
00:25:47,339 --> 00:25:49,591
with the same
record collections,
585
00:25:50,008 --> 00:25:52,010
that's what makes
a band great.
586
00:25:52,010 --> 00:25:54,679
[man] People talk about
the Liverpool sound.
587
00:25:54,679 --> 00:25:56,222
"Oh, The Beatles
put that on the map."
588
00:25:56,222 --> 00:25:59,184
It's the same thing that
these guys did for Jersey.
589
00:25:59,184 --> 00:26:02,228
Bruce, Steven, Southside
590
00:26:02,228 --> 00:26:05,023
put Asbury Park on the map.
591
00:26:05,023 --> 00:26:09,903
[rock music playing]
592
00:26:12,614 --> 00:26:15,784
[crowd cheering]
593
00:26:18,703 --> 00:26:21,247
You know, back in the day,
there wasn't, um,
594
00:26:21,247 --> 00:26:23,083
there wasn't really videos.
595
00:26:23,083 --> 00:26:25,585
You didn't see too many clips.
You saw pictures.
596
00:26:25,585 --> 00:26:27,587
When I saw pictures
of these guys,
597
00:26:27,587 --> 00:26:29,381
or even pictures
of them playing live,
598
00:26:29,381 --> 00:26:32,509
Little Steven had these
three-piece suits and hats,
599
00:26:32,509 --> 00:26:33,760
and he'd come and sing
600
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:35,470
these crazy
background vocals,
601
00:26:35,470 --> 00:26:36,888
and play guitar,
602
00:26:36,888 --> 00:26:38,556
and they were such a gang,
603
00:26:38,556 --> 00:26:42,018
a group of men
to be reckoned with.
604
00:26:42,018 --> 00:26:43,269
They scared me.
605
00:26:43,269 --> 00:26:46,314
Most groups, whether
it was the Sex Pistols,
606
00:26:46,314 --> 00:26:48,233
or early
Red Hot Chili Peppers,
607
00:26:48,233 --> 00:26:49,734
they scared you.
608
00:26:49,734 --> 00:26:52,028
Ramones, they were scary.
609
00:26:52,529 --> 00:26:53,988
The E Street Band
was the same.
610
00:26:53,988 --> 00:26:57,242
Some pictures from The River,
all dressed in black,
611
00:26:57,242 --> 00:26:58,785
looked like they
maybe dressed up
612
00:26:58,785 --> 00:27:00,495
for a wedding, but...
613
00:27:01,162 --> 00:27:03,665
the way they were dressed,
maybe gonna be a funeral.
614
00:27:03,665 --> 00:27:07,043
["Crush on You"
by Bruce Springsteen playing]
615
00:27:09,713 --> 00:27:11,381
You couldn't tell
who was playing
616
00:27:11,381 --> 00:27:12,799
what guitar on the records.
617
00:27:12,799 --> 00:27:15,427
You'd try to figure that
out when you were listening.
618
00:27:15,427 --> 00:27:18,638
But you could hear those
distinctive background vocals.
619
00:27:18,638 --> 00:27:20,098
He's just all over it.
620
00:27:20,098 --> 00:27:22,934
♪ Ooh, girl
I got a crush on you ♪
621
00:27:22,934 --> 00:27:26,146
♪ I said ooh, girl
I got a crush on you... ♪
622
00:27:26,146 --> 00:27:28,398
I was like,
"Wow, this is rock and roll."
623
00:27:28,815 --> 00:27:30,108
This is that camaraderie
624
00:27:30,108 --> 00:27:32,777
that, like, gang thing
that I look for,
625
00:27:33,194 --> 00:27:35,905
and seeing that these guys
had this connection.
626
00:27:35,905 --> 00:27:37,532
They could be
running down the street,
627
00:27:37,532 --> 00:27:38,908
a certain kind of
brotherhood,
628
00:27:38,908 --> 00:27:40,618
and I spotted
that right away,
629
00:27:40,618 --> 00:27:43,663
that Mick and Keith
thing with him and Bruce.
630
00:27:43,663 --> 00:27:45,290
[chuckling] All right.
631
00:27:45,290 --> 00:27:47,625
♪ I got some beer ♪
632
00:27:47,625 --> 00:27:49,753
♪ And the highway's free ♪
633
00:27:49,753 --> 00:27:51,546
♪ And I got you ♪
634
00:27:51,546 --> 00:27:54,090
♪ And baby you got me ♪
635
00:27:55,133 --> 00:27:57,010
Get down, chico.
636
00:28:01,848 --> 00:28:03,975
Of course, Barry.
637
00:28:08,188 --> 00:28:11,107
[strumming guitar]
638
00:28:11,107 --> 00:28:13,777
Born to Run and
Darkness on the Edge of Town
639
00:28:13,777 --> 00:28:16,071
were two very tough
records to make.
640
00:28:18,323 --> 00:28:21,326
When it came time for
The River, I was like,
641
00:28:21,326 --> 00:28:24,162
Bruce, I love you, but I can't
go through this again.
642
00:28:24,162 --> 00:28:26,331
[chuckling]
It's too much torture.
643
00:28:26,998 --> 00:28:30,085
He was like, "No, you gotta
produce this one with me."
644
00:28:30,502 --> 00:28:31,753
Bruce, he says, "You know,
645
00:28:31,753 --> 00:28:34,005
we got this amazing
reputation live,
646
00:28:34,005 --> 00:28:37,592
but you know, we can't get it
on record, you know?
647
00:28:37,592 --> 00:28:39,678
So you're a band guy,
I want you
648
00:28:39,678 --> 00:28:41,262
to produce
the record with me,
649
00:28:41,262 --> 00:28:45,350
and let's get the band sound
on the record, you know?"
650
00:28:45,767 --> 00:28:47,602
[Bruce] The River
is a classic example
651
00:28:47,602 --> 00:28:49,896
of Steve's influence
on my music,
652
00:28:49,896 --> 00:28:52,982
and him bringing
his best to the table,
653
00:28:52,982 --> 00:28:55,151
and creating something
that really was
654
00:28:55,151 --> 00:28:58,071
a creation
of the two of us, you know?
655
00:28:58,488 --> 00:29:01,700
I had two strong
sounding boards.
656
00:29:01,700 --> 00:29:03,868
I had Jon and I had Steve,
657
00:29:03,868 --> 00:29:06,496
and they did not have
the same vision
658
00:29:06,496 --> 00:29:08,164
for the music
we were making.
659
00:29:08,164 --> 00:29:09,165
It sounds great.
660
00:29:09,165 --> 00:29:11,167
Their visions were
not incompatible,
661
00:29:11,167 --> 00:29:14,838
but significantly off-center
with each other.
662
00:29:15,422 --> 00:29:17,882
Steve and I would agree
about many things
663
00:29:17,882 --> 00:29:19,300
in the studio.
664
00:29:19,300 --> 00:29:21,094
We also disagreed
about many things.
665
00:29:21,094 --> 00:29:22,721
[Bruce]
That was good for me,
666
00:29:22,721 --> 00:29:24,514
because I was
trying to suss out
667
00:29:24,514 --> 00:29:25,974
where I wanted to go,
668
00:29:25,974 --> 00:29:28,351
and I got the benefit
of all those different ideas,
669
00:29:28,351 --> 00:29:30,729
and was able to decide
on which way to go
670
00:29:30,729 --> 00:29:32,647
on any particular project.
671
00:29:32,647 --> 00:29:34,232
[Jon] We were there
for the same reason,
672
00:29:34,232 --> 00:29:36,735
which was to make
what we were working on
673
00:29:36,735 --> 00:29:38,445
the best it could be.
674
00:29:38,445 --> 00:29:40,405
It was a lot of fun
675
00:29:40,405 --> 00:29:41,656
some of the time.
676
00:29:41,656 --> 00:29:43,074
[chuckling]
677
00:29:43,074 --> 00:29:45,910
♪ Well I wish that
I could have myself ♪
678
00:29:45,910 --> 00:29:47,996
♪ A seven day weekend ♪
679
00:29:47,996 --> 00:29:50,582
You know, I was
a huge Gary U.S. Bonds fan,
680
00:29:50,582 --> 00:29:52,042
so I came
and saw him at a club
681
00:29:52,042 --> 00:29:53,710
here in New Jersey one night,
682
00:29:53,710 --> 00:29:55,086
ended up talking to him,
683
00:29:55,086 --> 00:29:56,921
I said, "Gee, I don't know,
684
00:29:56,921 --> 00:29:59,299
I'd love to produce something
for you, you know?
685
00:29:59,299 --> 00:30:01,634
It'd be fun if Stevie and I
did it together."
686
00:30:01,634 --> 00:30:04,346
He came in
and said, "Look, let's, uh...
687
00:30:04,971 --> 00:30:06,723
why don't we
record some stuff?"
688
00:30:06,723 --> 00:30:08,183
And I said, "Sure."
689
00:30:08,183 --> 00:30:11,227
[Stevie] And unbelievably,
we have a hit single.
690
00:30:11,227 --> 00:30:15,231
["This Little Girl"
by Gary U.S. Bonds playing]
691
00:30:15,231 --> 00:30:16,983
[Dick Clark] You're on the top
of the charts.
692
00:30:16,983 --> 00:30:18,526
[Bonds] Yeah, I like it, man.
693
00:30:18,526 --> 00:30:20,987
[Clark] Bruce Springsteen,
did he produce this album?
694
00:30:20,987 --> 00:30:22,822
Yep, and Miami Steve.
695
00:30:22,822 --> 00:30:25,116
- Miami Steve Van Zandt.
- That's it.
696
00:30:25,658 --> 00:30:27,077
I-I don't know
how Bruce knew it,
697
00:30:27,077 --> 00:30:29,662
but as one song
led to the other,
698
00:30:29,662 --> 00:30:31,039
I started to realize
699
00:30:31,039 --> 00:30:33,792
Gary is one of great
soul singers of all time.
700
00:30:33,792 --> 00:30:35,627
We'd like to do a song for you
701
00:30:35,627 --> 00:30:37,837
that was written
by Miami Steve Van Zandt.
702
00:30:37,837 --> 00:30:40,298
["Daddy's Come Home"
by Gary U.S. Bonds playing]
703
00:30:40,298 --> 00:30:45,136
♪ It's been a long
Long time for us ♪
704
00:30:46,638 --> 00:30:48,306
♪ I need to talk ♪
705
00:30:48,306 --> 00:30:51,142
♪ But I'm not
Strong enough... ♪
706
00:30:51,142 --> 00:30:52,727
[Bonds] "Daddy's Come Home,"
707
00:30:52,727 --> 00:30:54,729
which is still
my favorite song,
708
00:30:54,729 --> 00:30:55,980
and it's a ballad.
709
00:30:55,980 --> 00:30:58,775
He likes to get into
all the goody-goody,
710
00:30:58,775 --> 00:31:01,528
the kissy-kissy,
the huggy-huggy stuff too.
711
00:31:01,986 --> 00:31:04,572
[Johnny] Steven writes
emotional songs.
712
00:31:04,572 --> 00:31:06,616
He writes songs
from the heart.
713
00:31:06,616 --> 00:31:08,535
He's got a way
of turning a phrase,
714
00:31:08,535 --> 00:31:10,286
like Richard Thompson does,
715
00:31:10,286 --> 00:31:13,707
uh, Tom Waits, Bruce,
they all have that way of...
716
00:31:13,707 --> 00:31:15,333
You always go, "God damn,
717
00:31:15,333 --> 00:31:17,168
I wish I had
written that line."
718
00:31:17,168 --> 00:31:22,924
♪ Daddy's come home ♪
719
00:31:24,634 --> 00:31:29,347
♪ Daddy's come home ♪
720
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:35,437
♪ Back where he belongs... ♪
721
00:31:35,437 --> 00:31:38,189
[Bonds] He hears
a lot of stuff. It's amazing.
722
00:31:38,898 --> 00:31:40,859
He can hear horn lines,
723
00:31:40,859 --> 00:31:42,527
and he can hear guitar lines.
724
00:31:42,527 --> 00:31:46,031
You know, there are a lot
of cats, they don't hear it.
725
00:31:47,073 --> 00:31:51,411
♪ Daddy's come home ♪
726
00:31:52,537 --> 00:31:55,707
["Love Again"
by Little Steven playing]
727
00:32:04,841 --> 00:32:08,053
This is one of my favorite
songs of Steve's,
728
00:32:08,053 --> 00:32:09,888
called "Love Again."
729
00:32:10,347 --> 00:32:12,932
♪ I've been to
The Statue of Liberty ♪
730
00:32:12,932 --> 00:32:15,018
♪ So fine and full of grace ♪
731
00:32:15,018 --> 00:32:16,978
♪ Lately every girl I meet ♪
732
00:32:16,978 --> 00:32:19,564
♪ Has that lady's look
On their face ♪
733
00:32:19,564 --> 00:32:21,775
♪ I'm not a man
For one night stands ♪
734
00:32:21,775 --> 00:32:23,401
♪ That's never been
Where it's at ♪
735
00:32:23,401 --> 00:32:25,320
♪ Maybe I'm
A little old fashioned ♪
736
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,947
♪ But what's
So wrong with that? ♪
737
00:32:29,199 --> 00:32:31,534
[woman] Being in the studio
with Stevie Van Zandt
738
00:32:31,534 --> 00:32:34,621
was mind-blowing,
the things he came up with.
739
00:32:34,621 --> 00:32:36,748
The music that's in his head,
740
00:32:36,748 --> 00:32:38,291
different things he tried.
741
00:32:38,291 --> 00:32:40,502
Steve was
an incredible arranger.
742
00:32:40,502 --> 00:32:43,922
It's knowing how to take
a particular piece of music
743
00:32:43,922 --> 00:32:46,091
and get the best out of it.
744
00:32:46,091 --> 00:32:48,760
Arrangement to me
is all about that,
745
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,388
enhancing the song.
746
00:32:51,930 --> 00:32:55,183
The track in general
is there to support
747
00:32:55,183 --> 00:32:57,936
that song being sung
by that artist.
748
00:32:57,936 --> 00:33:00,063
The key, really,
to a successful arrangement
749
00:33:00,063 --> 00:33:01,981
is nothing conflicting.
750
00:33:01,981 --> 00:33:03,733
Everything's adding.
751
00:33:03,733 --> 00:33:05,485
Here's the horns.
752
00:33:07,153 --> 00:33:09,948
- The backing vocals.
- [singer vocalizing]
753
00:33:09,948 --> 00:33:11,574
See how they
go back and forth?
754
00:33:11,574 --> 00:33:13,451
- [trumpet playing]
- [singers vocalizing]
755
00:33:13,451 --> 00:33:14,619
They answer each other.
756
00:33:14,619 --> 00:33:17,414
- [singers] ♪ Ah ah ah ♪
- [trumpet playing]
757
00:33:17,414 --> 00:33:19,499
♪ Ah ah ah ♪
758
00:33:19,499 --> 00:33:22,585
See, the backing vocals
just doing "ah's,"
759
00:33:22,585 --> 00:33:25,213
but the horns are actually
playing a lick.
760
00:33:25,213 --> 00:33:28,174
And then they...
then they all got kind of...
761
00:33:28,174 --> 00:33:30,427
do a, like, a pad together.
762
00:33:32,303 --> 00:33:35,181
That's one of the kinds
of things he does.
763
00:33:36,433 --> 00:33:40,228
And the piano is just doing
part of the rhythm section.
764
00:33:41,271 --> 00:33:44,524
Steve is very specific
about balances.
765
00:33:44,524 --> 00:33:46,651
The fifth bar,
the second trumpet
766
00:33:46,651 --> 00:33:48,111
sticking out too much,
767
00:33:48,111 --> 00:33:49,988
he hears all
that in his head.
768
00:33:49,988 --> 00:33:53,158
He's a pretty formidable
talent, I'd have to say.
769
00:33:53,158 --> 00:33:54,784
- [phone rings]
- Hello?
770
00:33:54,784 --> 00:33:57,078
I was completely
taken and enamored
771
00:33:57,078 --> 00:33:59,247
by everything
that Steven touched.
772
00:33:59,247 --> 00:34:00,749
Finally, I said to him,
773
00:34:00,749 --> 00:34:03,418
when we started this record
company, EMI America,
774
00:34:03,418 --> 00:34:05,712
I said, you know,
"You need to make a record."
775
00:34:05,712 --> 00:34:10,216
Nobody's gonna need a love
song sung by a side man.
776
00:34:10,216 --> 00:34:12,677
[Gersh] I'm like, "No, no,
you need to do this."
777
00:34:12,677 --> 00:34:16,014
You're one of the greatest
songwriters of our day.
778
00:34:16,014 --> 00:34:19,517
You're as good a producer
as anybody I know,
779
00:34:19,517 --> 00:34:23,021
and, um, you need
to make a record.
780
00:34:23,688 --> 00:34:26,649
Steven, I'm going to kill you
if you don't do this.
781
00:34:29,110 --> 00:34:31,237
If I'm gonna do
a solo record at that point,
782
00:34:31,237 --> 00:34:34,824
um, I needed
to find an identity.
783
00:34:34,824 --> 00:34:36,618
You know, Miami Steve,
784
00:34:36,618 --> 00:34:38,119
the fun guy in the band,
785
00:34:38,119 --> 00:34:40,205
we were like
the rock and roll Rat Pack,
786
00:34:40,205 --> 00:34:42,207
and I was
the Dean Martin character.
787
00:34:42,207 --> 00:34:43,958
Uh, Bruce is Frank,
788
00:34:43,958 --> 00:34:46,544
and Clarence
is Sammy on steroids.
789
00:34:46,544 --> 00:34:49,923
I was the first guy you call
if you're gonna have a party.
790
00:34:49,923 --> 00:34:52,342
I thought, "I better kind of
introduce myself
791
00:34:52,342 --> 00:34:54,219
or reintroduce myself,"
you know?
792
00:34:54,219 --> 00:34:56,763
As this new character,
Little Steven.
793
00:34:56,763 --> 00:34:58,598
When I first
became aware of you,
794
00:34:58,598 --> 00:35:02,018
you were, uh,
Miami Steve Van Zandt.
795
00:35:02,018 --> 00:35:03,728
[audience member]
Yeah, that's right!
796
00:35:03,728 --> 00:35:06,398
[Letterman] Now, uh,
and now you're Little Steven.
797
00:35:06,398 --> 00:35:08,900
[Stevie] I'm still
gonna keep a nickname,
798
00:35:08,900 --> 00:35:10,276
because nicknames suggest
799
00:35:10,276 --> 00:35:12,278
not taking
yourself too seriously,
800
00:35:12,278 --> 00:35:15,448
but I wanted to be able
to take the work seriously.
801
00:35:15,448 --> 00:35:18,243
I said I'm gonna
open the first album
802
00:35:18,243 --> 00:35:21,079
with a song that's gonna
explain the rest of my career.
803
00:35:21,079 --> 00:35:22,997
You know, very political.
804
00:35:22,997 --> 00:35:24,249
Ask the question,
805
00:35:24,249 --> 00:35:26,918
"What happened
to all our '60s ideals?
806
00:35:26,918 --> 00:35:28,420
Where did they go?"
807
00:35:31,589 --> 00:35:34,426
[crowd cheering]
808
00:35:34,926 --> 00:35:37,178
♪ Come on, baby ♪
809
00:35:38,304 --> 00:35:42,267
♪ Come on, sing with me now ♪
810
00:35:42,726 --> 00:35:45,395
[vocalizing]
811
00:35:45,395 --> 00:35:47,731
[narrator] If there
is any such thing
812
00:35:47,731 --> 00:35:49,691
as an Asbury Park sound,
813
00:35:49,691 --> 00:35:51,359
then one of the guys
most responsible
814
00:35:51,359 --> 00:35:53,069
is Steve Van Zandt.
815
00:35:53,445 --> 00:35:54,612
Miami Steve is best known
816
00:35:54,612 --> 00:35:56,281
as Bruce Springsteen's
guitarist,
817
00:35:56,281 --> 00:35:58,825
but he's also
a respected songwriter,
818
00:35:58,825 --> 00:36:00,243
arranger, and producer.
819
00:36:00,243 --> 00:36:03,329
Now he's taking
that one final step.
820
00:36:03,329 --> 00:36:05,248
He's fronting his own band,
821
00:36:05,248 --> 00:36:08,043
Little Steven
and the Disciples of Soul.
822
00:36:08,460 --> 00:36:11,629
["Until the Good is Gone"
by Steven Van Zandt playing]
823
00:36:22,682 --> 00:36:24,476
[man] When he made
the first album,
824
00:36:24,476 --> 00:36:26,770
that was his
step away from Bruce.
825
00:36:26,770 --> 00:36:28,229
Those guys love one another.
826
00:36:28,229 --> 00:36:30,106
It's not the big brother
827
00:36:30,106 --> 00:36:32,067
that you're
stepping away from.
828
00:36:32,067 --> 00:36:34,819
It's trying to not feel like
829
00:36:34,819 --> 00:36:36,613
the little brother anymore.
830
00:36:36,613 --> 00:36:39,240
And when Steve made
Men Without Women...
831
00:36:39,657 --> 00:36:42,535
[chuckles] ...that's not
a little brother's record.
832
00:36:43,244 --> 00:36:45,830
♪ We always stood
On the same block ♪
833
00:36:45,830 --> 00:36:47,624
♪ Way back then ♪
834
00:36:48,917 --> 00:36:50,168
♪ Waiting to find out ♪
835
00:36:50,168 --> 00:36:52,837
♪ Where in the world
We fit in ♪
836
00:36:54,172 --> 00:36:55,840
♪ Then something
On the radio ♪
837
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,635
♪ Changed everything
We'd been ♪
838
00:36:59,469 --> 00:37:01,846
♪ And now I need it, baby ♪
839
00:37:01,846 --> 00:37:04,099
♪ Over and over again ♪
840
00:37:04,766 --> 00:37:09,604
♪ Where it comes from
Baby, I don't know ♪
841
00:37:09,604 --> 00:37:14,526
♪ That same old something
Just won't let me go ♪
842
00:37:14,526 --> 00:37:17,570
♪ Oh it's too late, baby ♪
843
00:37:17,570 --> 00:37:20,990
♪ It's been too long ♪
844
00:37:20,990 --> 00:37:22,659
♪ Don't try to stop me ♪
845
00:37:22,659 --> 00:37:25,578
♪ Till the good is gone ♪
846
00:37:26,705 --> 00:37:28,498
♪ It seems like
Only yesterday ♪
847
00:37:28,498 --> 00:37:30,500
♪ I could hear
Big Mama call... ♪
848
00:37:30,500 --> 00:37:32,168
[Chris]
Men Without Women came out.
849
00:37:32,168 --> 00:37:35,296
It was basically
the Southside sound,
850
00:37:35,296 --> 00:37:37,048
but taken to another level.
851
00:37:37,048 --> 00:37:39,009
♪ One more time
Say yeah ♪
852
00:37:39,009 --> 00:37:41,886
♪ Yeah, yeah... ♪
853
00:37:41,886 --> 00:37:43,263
[Eddie] I was coming into it
854
00:37:43,263 --> 00:37:45,348
with quite
a lot of knowledge,
855
00:37:45,348 --> 00:37:47,475
but also a lot of expectation.
856
00:37:47,475 --> 00:37:49,352
It feels very organic,
857
00:37:49,352 --> 00:37:50,895
and personal.
858
00:37:51,354 --> 00:37:53,231
I fell in love
with those songs.
859
00:37:53,231 --> 00:37:55,483
[woman] I met Steven
when I was an intern
860
00:37:55,483 --> 00:37:57,360
at Power Station studios.
861
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:58,695
And this was at a time
862
00:37:58,695 --> 00:38:00,530
when he was
starting his solo album,
863
00:38:00,530 --> 00:38:02,282
but he was looking
for a specific sound
864
00:38:02,282 --> 00:38:04,034
on a song.
865
00:38:04,034 --> 00:38:06,202
And, uh, Ben Newberry,
866
00:38:06,202 --> 00:38:08,538
his guitar tech,
said, "Zoe plays oboe,
867
00:38:08,538 --> 00:38:10,623
is that the sound
you're looking for?"
868
00:38:10,623 --> 00:38:11,791
He said, "Yes."
869
00:38:13,376 --> 00:38:16,671
["Caravan" by Little Steven
& the Disciples playing]
870
00:38:25,263 --> 00:38:26,598
When we finished the record,
871
00:38:26,598 --> 00:38:28,767
he said, "Do you
wanna go on tour?"
872
00:38:33,563 --> 00:38:37,609
["Save Me" by Little Steven
& the Disciples playing]
873
00:38:47,786 --> 00:38:50,455
[Jay] When he was working
on his albums in New York,
874
00:38:50,455 --> 00:38:51,706
we'd meet every Friday
875
00:38:51,706 --> 00:38:54,125
at this little
Mexican restaurant,
876
00:38:54,125 --> 00:38:55,418
and then go see a movie.
877
00:38:55,418 --> 00:38:56,920
It was like being a teenager
878
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,673
when you'd get off early
on Friday. It was so much fun.
879
00:38:59,673 --> 00:39:01,966
[Stevie]
I think I met Jay Cocks
880
00:39:01,966 --> 00:39:03,968
through Marty Scorsese.
881
00:39:03,968 --> 00:39:06,721
And because Marty and Jay
were very close,
882
00:39:06,721 --> 00:39:10,141
um, Marty had shown me
and Bruce Mean Streets.
883
00:39:10,141 --> 00:39:11,518
[Jay] We were talking about
884
00:39:11,518 --> 00:39:12,936
making a film
about the songs.
885
00:39:12,936 --> 00:39:15,355
That's when I introduced
him to John Cassavetes,
886
00:39:15,355 --> 00:39:18,566
who could light
anybody up with the idea,
887
00:39:18,566 --> 00:39:20,485
"You can do this,
you can make a movie."
888
00:39:20,485 --> 00:39:23,988
These two guys
were kindred spirits.
889
00:39:23,988 --> 00:39:26,282
[Chris] I see at some
Santa Monica cinema
890
00:39:26,282 --> 00:39:27,617
that doesn't exist anymore
891
00:39:27,617 --> 00:39:29,953
there's a one week
run of the film,
892
00:39:29,953 --> 00:39:31,538
Men Without Women.
893
00:39:31,538 --> 00:39:33,415
I'm like, "I gotta see
this fucking thing.
894
00:39:33,415 --> 00:39:36,001
Steve made a movie?"
895
00:39:36,376 --> 00:39:38,003
Uh, so I go,
896
00:39:38,003 --> 00:39:40,588
and it's a rough cut,
it's like a lost movie.
897
00:39:40,588 --> 00:39:44,759
I've spoken to Steven since,
and I think it's gone.
898
00:39:44,759 --> 00:39:48,179
Let's ask him for the great
undiscovered secret,
899
00:39:48,179 --> 00:39:51,099
like the lost footage from
The Magnificent Ambersons.
900
00:39:51,099 --> 00:39:52,642
[Bruce] I remember it.
901
00:39:52,642 --> 00:39:55,603
I remember it from...
I saw it when it came out.
902
00:39:55,603 --> 00:39:58,231
I haven't seen it since,
so that's, I don't know,
903
00:39:58,231 --> 00:40:00,025
30 or 35 years ago,
904
00:40:00,025 --> 00:40:01,860
or whenever it was, you know?
905
00:40:02,485 --> 00:40:04,904
[speaking Italian]
906
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:21,880
[man] Van Zandt says the film
is not a documentary,
907
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:24,758
although the storyline does
parallel his own life.
908
00:40:25,258 --> 00:40:27,010
That's Maureen
"Knuckles" Santoro,
909
00:40:27,010 --> 00:40:29,512
who married Van Zandt
earlier this year.
910
00:40:29,512 --> 00:40:31,181
[speaking Italian]
911
00:40:31,598 --> 00:40:34,059
[Stevie] Back in '75,
at one of those showcase gigs
912
00:40:34,059 --> 00:40:36,895
I was playing with Bruce
and the E Street Band,
913
00:40:37,604 --> 00:40:40,148
it is at that Bottom Line gig
914
00:40:40,148 --> 00:40:42,442
where I first met Maureen.
915
00:40:43,568 --> 00:40:45,236
And I see this girl,
916
00:40:45,236 --> 00:40:46,946
and I just go nuts, you know?
917
00:40:46,946 --> 00:40:48,073
I'm like, "Wow,
918
00:40:48,073 --> 00:40:50,533
this is the Brigitte Bardot
of New Jersey."
919
00:40:50,533 --> 00:40:52,577
And we talked
a little bit afterwards,
920
00:40:52,577 --> 00:40:54,871
and-and that was it.
921
00:40:56,706 --> 00:40:58,625
[Stevie] I talked her
into going out with me
922
00:40:58,625 --> 00:41:01,127
like a year later.
It took me, like, a year.
923
00:41:01,461 --> 00:41:04,255
Once Steve met Maureen,
that was it, you know?
924
00:41:04,255 --> 00:41:06,007
Simple as that, that was it.
925
00:41:09,636 --> 00:41:11,346
[Stevie] I was
one of those guys,
926
00:41:11,346 --> 00:41:12,931
never gonna get married.
927
00:41:12,931 --> 00:41:15,308
She was just into
all kinds of things,
928
00:41:15,308 --> 00:41:16,810
literature and ballet.
929
00:41:16,810 --> 00:41:19,979
She was way above
my level of sophistication.
930
00:41:19,979 --> 00:41:22,607
She turned me
on to all of that,
931
00:41:22,607 --> 00:41:25,151
expanded my consciousness
tremendously.
932
00:41:25,151 --> 00:41:29,239
She really just, you know,
rocked my world, as they say.
933
00:41:29,781 --> 00:41:32,283
You know, I'm very
grateful to her for that.
934
00:41:33,076 --> 00:41:36,079
[Maureen] Men Without Women
was written when we met.
935
00:41:36,079 --> 00:41:38,998
You feel like someone
is opening a window
936
00:41:38,998 --> 00:41:42,419
onto a private thing,
your relationship.
937
00:41:42,961 --> 00:41:46,172
["Angel Eyes" by Little Steven
& the Disciples playing]
938
00:41:49,509 --> 00:41:52,220
On the other hand,
it's a really beautiful thing,
939
00:41:52,220 --> 00:41:55,598
and it's what any rock
and roll girl would dream of.
940
00:41:55,598 --> 00:41:59,811
["Forever" by Little Steven
& the Disciples playing]
941
00:42:02,647 --> 00:42:05,150
[Bruce] He says
he's getting married, great,
942
00:42:05,150 --> 00:42:06,985
I'm his best man.
943
00:42:07,485 --> 00:42:09,571
Little Richard's
gonna marry him.
944
00:42:09,571 --> 00:42:11,823
Why not? [chuckles]
945
00:42:14,325 --> 00:42:17,454
I don't know who came up
with the Little Richard idea.
946
00:42:17,454 --> 00:42:19,831
I know I was completely
in agreement with it.
947
00:42:19,831 --> 00:42:22,083
Didn't think it would happen,
and it did happen.
948
00:42:22,083 --> 00:42:24,336
[Bruce] We sat down
with Little Richard,
949
00:42:24,336 --> 00:42:25,712
tried to explain to him
950
00:42:25,712 --> 00:42:27,505
the kind of service
we wanted.
951
00:42:27,839 --> 00:42:30,216
We don't want too much
of the Jesus thing.
952
00:42:30,967 --> 00:42:33,678
"Oh, yes, absolutely,
absolutely."
953
00:42:34,012 --> 00:42:35,972
At the ceremony,
he disregarded
954
00:42:35,972 --> 00:42:37,140
everything we said.
955
00:42:37,140 --> 00:42:39,184
First thing, he's going
"Jesus!" [chuckles]
956
00:42:39,184 --> 00:42:41,561
[Richard] But together
you can daily offer
957
00:42:41,561 --> 00:42:43,021
your prayers to God,
958
00:42:43,021 --> 00:42:46,775
and as your love for him grows
stronger and stronger,
959
00:42:46,775 --> 00:42:51,196
your love for each other will
be purified and strengthened.
960
00:42:54,199 --> 00:42:56,910
[Bruce] It was a classic
Steven production.
961
00:42:56,910 --> 00:43:00,372
He had Percy Sledge singing
"When a Man Loves a Woman."
962
00:43:00,372 --> 00:43:02,165
[Percy] Ladies and gentlemen,
963
00:43:03,708 --> 00:43:07,796
Mr. and Mrs. Van Zandt.
Meet them.
964
00:43:07,796 --> 00:43:10,548
["When a Man Loves a Woman"
playing]
965
00:43:10,548 --> 00:43:16,805
♪ When a man loves a woman ♪
966
00:43:18,390 --> 00:43:20,392
[Bruce] It was way out there.
967
00:43:20,767 --> 00:43:23,103
I was an usher.
I'm glad to see that my job,
968
00:43:23,103 --> 00:43:25,271
I did a good job
and it worked, right?
969
00:43:25,271 --> 00:43:26,898
That had something
to do with it.
970
00:43:26,898 --> 00:43:31,861
["Forever" by Little Steven
& the Disciples playing]
971
00:43:31,861 --> 00:43:33,905
[Jesse] I remember
when we were kids,
972
00:43:33,905 --> 00:43:35,782
and we heard
Little Steven got married,
973
00:43:35,782 --> 00:43:37,617
and Bruce was the best man.
974
00:43:37,617 --> 00:43:39,035
My best man right here.
975
00:43:39,035 --> 00:43:42,122
And it was the wedding band
from The Godfather.
976
00:43:43,248 --> 00:43:47,252
♪ But it really isn't
What I need... ♪
977
00:43:47,919 --> 00:43:51,881
[Stevie] And, uh, I heard
it was really great.
978
00:43:52,215 --> 00:43:53,758
I don't remember a thing,
979
00:43:53,758 --> 00:43:55,635
but that's what I heard.
980
00:43:59,597 --> 00:44:03,268
Do you feel like
Steven Van Zandt is
981
00:44:03,601 --> 00:44:07,647
living out your fantasy
or your dream?
982
00:44:08,106 --> 00:44:09,274
Absolutely.
983
00:44:09,941 --> 00:44:12,444
Seems like yesterday,
listening to the radio,
984
00:44:13,153 --> 00:44:15,655
and saying,
"Jeez, I'd like to do that."
985
00:44:16,781 --> 00:44:18,074
And then you are,
986
00:44:18,074 --> 00:44:19,492
and that's-that's great.
987
00:44:19,492 --> 00:44:20,952
I feel very lucky about that.
988
00:44:20,952 --> 00:44:24,456
["Lyin' In a Bed of Fire"
by Little Steven playing]
989
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:27,042
[man] Little Steven
and the Disciples of Soul,
990
00:44:27,042 --> 00:44:29,461
- how are you doing?
- Hello, Peter, how are you?
991
00:44:29,461 --> 00:44:31,129
What are you doing
in your show now?
992
00:44:31,129 --> 00:44:33,882
It's basically
rock and roll, um...
993
00:44:34,632 --> 00:44:36,009
with horns, you know?
994
00:44:36,009 --> 00:44:39,304
["Lyin' In a Bed of Fire"
by Little Steven playing]
995
00:44:39,304 --> 00:44:41,890
♪ Ain't it hard
To see through it ♪
996
00:44:41,890 --> 00:44:44,684
♪ Don't it hurt your eyes
To try ♪
997
00:44:44,684 --> 00:44:47,562
♪ It was so much easier
Yesterday ♪
998
00:44:47,562 --> 00:44:50,565
♪ When all we had to do
Was survive ♪
999
00:44:50,565 --> 00:44:52,984
[Stevie]
In my so-called career,
1000
00:44:52,984 --> 00:44:56,154
I met the coolest,
most important cats.
1001
00:44:56,571 --> 00:44:57,739
Frankie Barsalona,
1002
00:44:57,739 --> 00:44:59,741
he was the last
of the great agents.
1003
00:44:59,741 --> 00:45:03,036
The old, uh, promoters
were all basically thieves,
1004
00:45:03,036 --> 00:45:05,705
and he decided to put
his own people in place
1005
00:45:05,705 --> 00:45:07,248
the same way that Maranzano
1006
00:45:07,248 --> 00:45:10,293
and then Luciano divided
the Mob up into regions,
1007
00:45:10,293 --> 00:45:13,129
introducing the concept
of longevity.
1008
00:45:13,129 --> 00:45:16,174
By telling these promoters,
"Look, you're gonna lose money
1009
00:45:16,174 --> 00:45:19,678
the first-first tour,
maybe the second,
1010
00:45:19,678 --> 00:45:21,971
you break even on the third,
maybe fourth.
1011
00:45:21,971 --> 00:45:24,015
From then on, you make money
the rest of your life."
1012
00:45:24,015 --> 00:45:26,518
This was a radical concept.
1013
00:45:26,518 --> 00:45:28,687
He created an industry
1014
00:45:28,687 --> 00:45:30,855
that, you know,
now could relax
1015
00:45:30,855 --> 00:45:33,525
and people could develop.
1016
00:45:33,942 --> 00:45:35,610
Because greatness
is not born,
1017
00:45:35,610 --> 00:45:37,112
greatness is developed,
1018
00:45:37,112 --> 00:45:39,531
and I want Bruce
to be with Frank.
1019
00:45:39,531 --> 00:45:40,907
Frank's the best.
1020
00:45:40,907 --> 00:45:42,659
I want Bruce
to be with the best.
1021
00:45:42,659 --> 00:45:44,744
["Where the Bands Are"
by Springsteen playing]
1022
00:45:44,744 --> 00:45:46,287
It was important
for Steven that
1023
00:45:46,287 --> 00:45:48,164
the E Street Band
followed the plan
1024
00:45:48,164 --> 00:45:50,208
that Frank had
worked out for them.
1025
00:45:50,208 --> 00:45:52,877
So from 1975 to 1980,
1026
00:45:52,877 --> 00:45:54,504
the E Street Band
basically followed
1027
00:45:54,504 --> 00:45:56,423
that Frank Barsalona formula.
1028
00:45:56,423 --> 00:45:59,300
You know, they went from
small clubs, then theaters,
1029
00:45:59,300 --> 00:46:01,845
then to bigger
places like arenas,
1030
00:46:01,845 --> 00:46:03,888
and eventually to stadiums.
1031
00:46:03,888 --> 00:46:06,349
By the time they went in
to record Born in the USA,
1032
00:46:06,349 --> 00:46:07,767
they were poised to become
1033
00:46:07,767 --> 00:46:09,102
the biggest band
in the world.
1034
00:46:09,102 --> 00:46:13,064
["Undefeated"
by Little Steven playing]
1035
00:46:13,732 --> 00:46:15,358
[Jon] On Born in the USA,
1036
00:46:15,358 --> 00:46:19,237
Bruce started turning a little
more in my direction,
1037
00:46:20,488 --> 00:46:24,117
and Stevie wanted to be heard,
1038
00:46:24,117 --> 00:46:27,287
and if anything, he wanted
to be heard more.
1039
00:46:28,371 --> 00:46:31,791
And so that arrangement
1040
00:46:31,791 --> 00:46:34,210
that worked well on The River
1041
00:46:34,210 --> 00:46:37,714
started to become a little
dysfunctional for Stevie.
1042
00:46:37,714 --> 00:46:38,965
He just was not happy.
1043
00:46:38,965 --> 00:46:40,884
[Stevie]
Part of the rationalization
1044
00:46:40,884 --> 00:46:42,719
and satisfaction
of being a boss
1045
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:44,346
working for another boss
1046
00:46:44,346 --> 00:46:47,599
was the ability to offer
suggestions and advice.
1047
00:46:48,016 --> 00:46:49,726
I liked being the underboss
1048
00:46:49,726 --> 00:46:52,228
in the E Street Band,
the consigliere.
1049
00:46:52,228 --> 00:46:54,606
Kept me out of the spotlight,
but allowed me to make
1050
00:46:54,606 --> 00:46:56,483
a significant enough
contribution
1051
00:46:56,483 --> 00:46:59,611
to justify my own existence
in my own mind.
1052
00:46:59,986 --> 00:47:03,907
And there was a balance
between me, Bruce, and Jon.
1053
00:47:03,907 --> 00:47:05,617
But somewhere in '83,
1054
00:47:05,617 --> 00:47:08,828
it started to feel like
Bruce had stopped listening.
1055
00:47:09,496 --> 00:47:10,997
Fifteen years,
1056
00:47:11,456 --> 00:47:14,417
we finally made it,
and I quit...
1057
00:47:15,126 --> 00:47:16,586
the night before payday.
1058
00:47:17,420 --> 00:47:20,173
It was fucking with
destiny big time.
1059
00:47:20,757 --> 00:47:22,467
Or was it fulfilling it?
1060
00:47:23,426 --> 00:47:25,345
[Maureen]
I think the initial intent
1061
00:47:25,345 --> 00:47:27,639
was not to leave
the E Street Band,
1062
00:47:27,639 --> 00:47:30,266
but to just
do his own project,
1063
00:47:30,266 --> 00:47:32,769
but then I think
it became apparent
1064
00:47:32,769 --> 00:47:34,813
that he needed to...
1065
00:47:34,813 --> 00:47:36,106
to go out and do this.
1066
00:47:36,106 --> 00:47:38,400
We had heard he was
going back and forth
1067
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:40,360
in and out of the studio,
and got tunes,
1068
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:42,904
and some of them are done,
some of them aren't.
1069
00:47:42,904 --> 00:47:45,115
And maybe there'll
be four or five more,
1070
00:47:45,115 --> 00:47:47,450
and you're not gonna
be playing on them?
1071
00:47:47,450 --> 00:47:48,785
We talked about it,
1072
00:47:48,785 --> 00:47:50,954
and-and Bruce may have to
1073
00:47:50,954 --> 00:47:52,872
finish it without me,
you know?
1074
00:47:52,872 --> 00:47:55,000
[Jimmy] At the time,
I thought he was nuts.
1075
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:56,960
I didn't understand it
one bit.
1076
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:58,712
Uh, I told him so.
1077
00:47:58,712 --> 00:48:01,339
He felt he had to give it
his whole 100%,
1078
00:48:01,339 --> 00:48:02,590
do it, you know.
1079
00:48:02,590 --> 00:48:05,135
But, um... hey,
1080
00:48:05,135 --> 00:48:07,679
you gotta follow your dream,
your conviction.
1081
00:48:07,679 --> 00:48:10,015
If you don't,
what are you following?
1082
00:48:10,015 --> 00:48:13,184
I thought, you know,
"You're in a band that's...
1083
00:48:13,727 --> 00:48:15,520
doing phenomenally well,
1084
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:17,063
having a great time,
1085
00:48:17,063 --> 00:48:19,691
you know, you're working
with your best friend.
1086
00:48:20,025 --> 00:48:22,819
Do you wanna
risk losing that?"
1087
00:48:23,695 --> 00:48:26,448
[Stevie] Though I started
recording solo albums,
1088
00:48:26,448 --> 00:48:28,700
technically I was still
producer on the album,
1089
00:48:28,700 --> 00:48:30,535
and still involved in it.
1090
00:48:30,535 --> 00:48:33,705
"Dancing in the Dark"
was way till the end.
1091
00:48:33,705 --> 00:48:35,206
They had the record together,
1092
00:48:35,206 --> 00:48:37,083
Jon Landau, the manager,
was saying,
1093
00:48:37,083 --> 00:48:38,543
"We're missing one more song,
1094
00:48:38,543 --> 00:48:42,255
we need one more
verifiable hit," or something,
1095
00:48:42,630 --> 00:48:44,215
and so Bruce kept trying
1096
00:48:44,215 --> 00:48:46,426
and kept trying,
until Steven said,
1097
00:48:46,885 --> 00:48:49,346
"I think I put out
two solo records
1098
00:48:49,346 --> 00:48:52,807
in the time it took you
to write that one song."
1099
00:48:53,475 --> 00:48:56,227
[imitating Bruce]
"You're right. I remember."
1100
00:48:58,063 --> 00:49:00,065
[Stevie] He plays me
"Dancing in the Dark"
1101
00:49:00,065 --> 00:49:02,067
and "No Surrender."
1102
00:49:02,067 --> 00:49:04,611
Says, "'Dancing in the Dark'
is gonna be on the record,
1103
00:49:04,611 --> 00:49:08,573
and 'No Surrender' is gonna be
an outtake, like a B-side."
1104
00:49:09,908 --> 00:49:13,787
And I'm like,
"Uh, Bruce, I gotta tell ya,
1105
00:49:14,204 --> 00:49:15,622
you got it backwards.
1106
00:49:15,955 --> 00:49:17,999
I don't know about
'Dancing in the Dark,'
1107
00:49:17,999 --> 00:49:19,751
but this 'No Surrender,'
1108
00:49:19,751 --> 00:49:21,294
this is what it's all about."
1109
00:49:21,753 --> 00:49:23,088
This is for, uh...
1110
00:49:23,088 --> 00:49:25,256
This is for
Little Steven. He's...
1111
00:49:25,256 --> 00:49:27,592
- [crowd cheering]
- He's got...
1112
00:49:30,136 --> 00:49:33,014
He's got a record out
called Voice of America now.
1113
00:49:33,390 --> 00:49:36,101
"No Surrender" was something
I was going to take off,
1114
00:49:36,101 --> 00:49:38,770
but he said, "No,
you've got to keep it on."
1115
00:49:39,354 --> 00:49:41,773
And I was afraid it was
too one-dimensional,
1116
00:49:41,773 --> 00:49:44,859
or-or... but he-he really...
1117
00:49:45,235 --> 00:49:47,946
when he came in at the end
and said, "No, that's...
1118
00:49:48,405 --> 00:49:49,989
that's gotta be
on the record,
1119
00:49:49,989 --> 00:49:52,450
man, that's what it's
all about, you know?"
1120
00:49:52,450 --> 00:49:54,744
It's funny he did that,
'cause it's a song
1121
00:49:54,744 --> 00:49:56,538
that speaks
more to who Stevie is
1122
00:49:56,538 --> 00:49:58,123
than maybe to who I am,
1123
00:49:58,123 --> 00:50:00,875
but it said something
about us also together.
1124
00:50:00,875 --> 00:50:03,712
["No Surrender" playing]
1125
00:50:07,465 --> 00:50:09,134
[Zoe]
Making a decision to leave
1126
00:50:09,134 --> 00:50:11,636
an iconic band
like the E Street Band
1127
00:50:11,636 --> 00:50:13,304
had to be...
1128
00:50:14,139 --> 00:50:15,974
probably one
of the most significant
1129
00:50:15,974 --> 00:50:17,475
decisions in his life.
1130
00:50:18,935 --> 00:50:20,729
That album featured two songs
1131
00:50:20,729 --> 00:50:23,773
that seemed to be about Bruce
and Steven's relationship.
1132
00:50:23,773 --> 00:50:25,150
"Bobby Jean,"
1133
00:50:25,150 --> 00:50:27,485
where one of the friends
goes out on their own,
1134
00:50:27,485 --> 00:50:30,113
and "No Surrender,"
which seems to be about
1135
00:50:30,113 --> 00:50:32,490
their promises
to each other over time.
1136
00:50:32,490 --> 00:50:34,951
Only Bruce and Steven
know if those songs
1137
00:50:34,951 --> 00:50:36,411
reveal something
they could never
1138
00:50:36,411 --> 00:50:39,164
bring themselves to say
to each other in person.
1139
00:50:39,164 --> 00:50:42,500
♪ Then we busted
Out of class ♪
1140
00:50:42,500 --> 00:50:46,087
♪ Had to get away
From those fools ♪
1141
00:50:46,463 --> 00:50:50,467
♪ We learned more from
A three-minute record, baby ♪
1142
00:50:50,467 --> 00:50:53,636
♪ Than we ever
Learned in school... ♪
1143
00:50:53,636 --> 00:50:56,348
[Bruce] He did need
to take a shot at that point.
1144
00:50:56,681 --> 00:50:59,100
The night we talked
about him leaving was,
1145
00:50:59,100 --> 00:51:01,227
we talked,
"Let's not throw the baby out
1146
00:51:01,227 --> 00:51:03,021
with the bath water.
1147
00:51:03,021 --> 00:51:04,647
You know, I think that,
1148
00:51:04,647 --> 00:51:07,400
all I know is you're
one of my deepest friends.
1149
00:51:07,692 --> 00:51:09,694
I need that relationship.
1150
00:51:10,070 --> 00:51:11,988
I don't want
that to disappear."
1151
00:51:12,364 --> 00:51:15,617
♪ Well we made a promise ♪
1152
00:51:15,617 --> 00:51:19,913
♪ We swore
We'd always remember ♪
1153
00:51:20,372 --> 00:51:23,208
♪ No retreat, baby ♪
1154
00:51:23,208 --> 00:51:27,045
♪ No surrender ♪
1155
00:51:27,045 --> 00:51:29,631
I think he just needed
his independence,
1156
00:51:29,631 --> 00:51:31,716
and, uh, um...
1157
00:51:32,425 --> 00:51:35,136
so I was as
supportive as I could be,
1158
00:51:35,136 --> 00:51:38,723
but I felt badly about him
not being in the band.
1159
00:51:41,393 --> 00:51:43,978
It was difficult and painful,
1160
00:51:43,978 --> 00:51:46,940
and, uh, not
my favorite chapter
1161
00:51:46,940 --> 00:51:48,900
in what we've done,
you know?
1162
00:51:48,900 --> 00:51:52,404
[crowd cheering]
1163
00:51:55,407 --> 00:51:58,410
["Justice"
by Little Steven playing]
1164
00:52:11,297 --> 00:52:13,299
[Stevie]
Politics in rock began
1165
00:52:13,299 --> 00:52:15,051
with the first two sentences
1166
00:52:15,051 --> 00:52:17,637
of Bob Dylan's "Subterranean
Homesick Blues."
1167
00:52:17,637 --> 00:52:20,223
"Johnny's in the basement
mixing up the medicine,
1168
00:52:20,223 --> 00:52:21,349
I'm on the pavement
1169
00:52:21,349 --> 00:52:22,851
thinking about
the government."
1170
00:52:22,851 --> 00:52:24,769
Thinking about the government?
1171
00:52:25,937 --> 00:52:28,440
Well, why would you do that?
1172
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:38,241
["Checkpoint Charlie"
by Little Steven playing]
1173
00:52:38,241 --> 00:52:40,243
We're on our first
European tour, man,
1174
00:52:40,243 --> 00:52:42,579
we're breaking,
we've broken through.
1175
00:52:43,955 --> 00:52:48,126
[Bruce] He and I went
to East Berlin in 1980,
1176
00:52:48,126 --> 00:52:49,836
just the two of us,
one afternoon.
1177
00:52:49,836 --> 00:52:52,797
You know, they confiscated
your reading material.
1178
00:52:52,797 --> 00:52:54,049
You could go over there,
1179
00:52:54,049 --> 00:52:56,968
but it was a very, very
oppressed society.
1180
00:52:58,011 --> 00:53:01,139
And I believe that that was
part of the beginning
1181
00:53:01,139 --> 00:53:03,850
of his awakening to...
1182
00:53:03,850 --> 00:53:05,477
political ideas,
1183
00:53:05,477 --> 00:53:08,730
and wanting to
include it in his music.
1184
00:53:10,148 --> 00:53:15,195
♪ Checkpoint Charlie ♪
1185
00:53:15,195 --> 00:53:20,825
♪ Walls so wide,
Can't get around it ♪
1186
00:53:20,825 --> 00:53:22,911
I'm just walking to a park,
1187
00:53:22,911 --> 00:53:25,705
in Munich, I think it was,
somewhere in Germany.
1188
00:53:25,705 --> 00:53:26,998
Some kid asked me,
1189
00:53:26,998 --> 00:53:29,042
why am I putting
missiles in his country?
1190
00:53:29,042 --> 00:53:31,127
"No, there's a guitar
in that case, kid.
1191
00:53:31,127 --> 00:53:32,379
There's no missiles.
1192
00:53:32,379 --> 00:53:34,005
What are you talking about?"
1193
00:53:34,005 --> 00:53:36,466
And it just would not
leave my head.
1194
00:53:37,509 --> 00:53:39,636
It finally occurred to me,
"Oh my God,
1195
00:53:39,636 --> 00:53:41,846
this kid isn't looking at me
like a rock star,
1196
00:53:41,846 --> 00:53:45,100
or a Democrat, or Republican,
or anything else.
1197
00:53:45,100 --> 00:53:46,976
He's looking at me
as an American."
1198
00:53:46,976 --> 00:53:48,269
And I'm like...
1199
00:53:48,603 --> 00:53:51,731
"I never thought of myself
as an American.
1200
00:53:51,731 --> 00:53:53,316
I'm from New Jersey."
1201
00:53:53,316 --> 00:53:56,444
["Love On the Wrong Side
of Town" by Southside Johnny]
1202
00:53:58,405 --> 00:54:00,865
[woman] What part of New
Jersey did you grow up in?
1203
00:54:00,865 --> 00:54:03,451
Did I grow up? I guess I did.
1204
00:54:03,910 --> 00:54:06,037
Middletown, New Jersey.
1205
00:54:06,037 --> 00:54:07,539
Right in the middle.
1206
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:12,836
[woman] So Middletown was
a very conservative town.
1207
00:54:12,836 --> 00:54:15,714
All the dads went to work,
the moms stayed home.
1208
00:54:15,714 --> 00:54:18,800
It was that
Leave it to Beaver existence.
1209
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:20,051
But it was the '60s,
1210
00:54:20,051 --> 00:54:23,138
so the kids
were not like that,
1211
00:54:23,138 --> 00:54:25,765
and perfect example
was Steven.
1212
00:54:25,765 --> 00:54:28,810
[Stevie] My very Catholic
mother divorced my father
1213
00:54:28,810 --> 00:54:30,812
when I was two
or three years old,
1214
00:54:30,812 --> 00:54:33,273
which was quite
unusual in the '50s.
1215
00:54:33,273 --> 00:54:35,859
Virtually unheard of
in the Catholic religion.
1216
00:54:36,234 --> 00:54:38,737
I spent most of my time
with Nana Lento,
1217
00:54:39,070 --> 00:54:40,947
the matriarch of the family,
1218
00:54:40,947 --> 00:54:44,826
who, if there is any trace
of show business in my DNA,
1219
00:54:44,826 --> 00:54:47,495
it all would have had
to have come from her.
1220
00:54:47,495 --> 00:54:50,123
One of my earliest memories
is her dancing around
1221
00:54:50,123 --> 00:54:51,750
to Elvis Presley records.
1222
00:54:51,750 --> 00:54:54,544
Until my mother remarried
when I was around seven,
1223
00:54:54,544 --> 00:54:57,339
I was brought up
by two very strong women.
1224
00:54:57,339 --> 00:54:59,132
[woman] How old are you?
1225
00:54:59,132 --> 00:55:00,383
[Stevie] Eight years old.
1226
00:55:00,383 --> 00:55:01,760
You have any other relatives?
1227
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:04,262
[Stevie] Yeah,
I have over 80 of them.
1228
00:55:04,596 --> 00:55:07,182
Steven always talks about
being a band guy,
1229
00:55:07,182 --> 00:55:10,101
and I-I think that comes from
1230
00:55:10,101 --> 00:55:11,478
the big family he grew up in.
1231
00:55:11,478 --> 00:55:13,271
We're a very close
Italian family,
1232
00:55:13,271 --> 00:55:15,106
and first five years
of his life,
1233
00:55:15,106 --> 00:55:16,941
he was living
with Nana and Grandpa
1234
00:55:16,941 --> 00:55:18,276
and the aunts and uncles.
1235
00:55:18,276 --> 00:55:20,362
So he's used to having that.
1236
00:55:20,945 --> 00:55:23,782
[Kathi] My grandparents
lived five minutes away,
1237
00:55:23,782 --> 00:55:25,950
so we would
go there every Sunday,
1238
00:55:25,950 --> 00:55:27,452
and everybody would be there,
1239
00:55:27,452 --> 00:55:29,829
all the cousins,
aunts, and uncles.
1240
00:55:30,955 --> 00:55:34,042
My grandfather spoke
with a heavy accent.
1241
00:55:34,376 --> 00:55:36,419
He spent a lot of time
with the grandkids.
1242
00:55:36,419 --> 00:55:39,297
He taught Steven how to play
the mandolin and guitar.
1243
00:55:39,297 --> 00:55:41,591
And I think
he started the whole...
1244
00:55:41,591 --> 00:55:43,551
the whole love
of music for Steven.
1245
00:55:43,551 --> 00:55:45,136
Steven Van Zandt
is your real name?
1246
00:55:45,136 --> 00:55:46,304
Yes.
1247
00:55:46,304 --> 00:55:48,556
Do you have
Dutch ancestors, or...
1248
00:55:48,556 --> 00:55:51,059
No, I was adopted
when I was young.
1249
00:55:51,059 --> 00:55:53,770
I'm a-I actually
have Italian blood.
1250
00:55:53,770 --> 00:55:56,439
[woman] How about singing
a little song for us?
1251
00:55:56,439 --> 00:55:58,191
[William and Stevie singing]
♪ Oh ♪
1252
00:55:58,191 --> 00:56:00,485
♪ Goodbye, my Coney Island ♪
1253
00:56:00,485 --> 00:56:01,861
♪ Baby... ♪
1254
00:56:01,861 --> 00:56:04,030
My brother and sister are
1255
00:56:04,030 --> 00:56:05,657
much younger
than me, you know,
1256
00:56:05,657 --> 00:56:08,493
seven years younger
and 11 years younger.
1257
00:56:08,993 --> 00:56:11,538
And unfortunately, I feel
really bad about it now.
1258
00:56:11,538 --> 00:56:13,206
I never spent
much time with them.
1259
00:56:13,206 --> 00:56:16,584
I have one fabulous memory,
1260
00:56:16,584 --> 00:56:18,670
um, with my brother...
1261
00:56:19,671 --> 00:56:21,923
that I, among all
the other gratitude
1262
00:56:21,923 --> 00:56:23,341
I have for the Beatles.
1263
00:56:23,341 --> 00:56:24,884
We had, um,
1264
00:56:25,176 --> 00:56:26,594
these transistor radios.
1265
00:56:26,594 --> 00:56:28,346
At night, you go to bed,
1266
00:56:28,346 --> 00:56:29,848
and under the covers,
you know,
1267
00:56:29,848 --> 00:56:31,850
you put the radio on
and listen to it.
1268
00:56:31,850 --> 00:56:33,977
My brother
was in the next bed,
1269
00:56:34,519 --> 00:56:35,854
and so he could hear,
1270
00:56:35,854 --> 00:56:39,357
and, uh, on comes,
uh, the Beatles,
1271
00:56:39,357 --> 00:56:41,192
finally getting
airplay in America
1272
00:56:41,192 --> 00:56:42,360
on their fifth single,
1273
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:44,571
with "I Wanna
Hold Your Hand,"
1274
00:56:45,155 --> 00:56:46,281
and, um...
1275
00:56:46,740 --> 00:56:48,616
when they get
to the high part...
1276
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:51,036
"I wanna hold your hand,"
1277
00:56:51,036 --> 00:56:52,370
uh, me and my brother
1278
00:56:52,370 --> 00:56:54,956
just spontaneously
burst out laughing.
1279
00:56:54,956 --> 00:56:56,166
You know?
1280
00:56:56,916 --> 00:56:58,835
We didn't have
much in common,
1281
00:56:59,377 --> 00:57:01,296
but we had that in common.
1282
00:57:01,296 --> 00:57:03,340
That's how profound
1283
00:57:03,340 --> 00:57:06,634
and how amazing
the Beatles music was,
1284
00:57:06,634 --> 00:57:09,054
to cover that big a gap
1285
00:57:09,054 --> 00:57:12,223
with what they were
communicating at that moment,
1286
00:57:12,223 --> 00:57:14,059
which you have to define
1287
00:57:14,059 --> 00:57:17,020
as simply unbridled joy.
1288
00:57:17,020 --> 00:57:18,605
When I get this thing going,
1289
00:57:18,605 --> 00:57:20,690
what do you
want me to talk about?
1290
00:57:21,107 --> 00:57:22,359
[Billy] The Beatles.
1291
00:57:22,359 --> 00:57:24,361
[Stevie] Which one
do you like best?
1292
00:57:24,361 --> 00:57:25,862
[Kathi] Paul and George.
1293
00:57:25,862 --> 00:57:27,906
- [Stevie] Paul and George?
- [Kathi] Yeah.
1294
00:57:27,906 --> 00:57:30,158
- [Stevie] You like Ringo?
- [Kathi] Yes.
1295
00:57:30,158 --> 00:57:31,701
[Stevie]
What song you like best?
1296
00:57:31,701 --> 00:57:33,453
[Billy] "I Saw
Her Standing There."
1297
00:57:33,453 --> 00:57:35,246
[Stevie] How does that go?
1298
00:57:35,246 --> 00:57:36,581
[Billy] I don't know.
1299
00:57:36,581 --> 00:57:38,875
[Stevie] Well,
you're the Beatle expert.
1300
00:57:38,875 --> 00:57:41,378
[Kathi] We were all raised
in the Baptist church,
1301
00:57:41,378 --> 00:57:43,129
but it was
a pretty serious church.
1302
00:57:43,129 --> 00:57:44,714
Like, your job was to go out
1303
00:57:44,714 --> 00:57:46,341
and witness to other people,
1304
00:57:46,341 --> 00:57:48,218
meaning to bring
them into the church.
1305
00:57:48,218 --> 00:57:50,762
I think Steven is as fervent
1306
00:57:50,762 --> 00:57:52,972
and passionate
about rock and roll
1307
00:57:52,972 --> 00:57:56,643
as those people in the church
were about their religion.
1308
00:57:56,643 --> 00:57:59,646
["Out of the Darkness"
by Little Steven playing]
1309
00:57:59,646 --> 00:58:01,940
[narrator]
Out in the darkness...
1310
00:58:03,983 --> 00:58:06,069
there's a voice
trying to make sense
1311
00:58:06,069 --> 00:58:08,988
out of a world
that's losing its soul.
1312
00:58:09,447 --> 00:58:12,117
A voice that's been
silent too long.
1313
00:58:14,661 --> 00:58:16,746
Can't miss out.
Best show of the year.
1314
00:58:16,746 --> 00:58:18,498
Ace show.
1315
00:58:19,958 --> 00:58:23,128
♪ There's a sadness
All around us ♪
1316
00:58:23,670 --> 00:58:27,048
♪ There are words
We're too afraid to say ♪
1317
00:58:27,048 --> 00:58:31,636
♪ The things that I thought
Would last forever ♪
1318
00:58:31,636 --> 00:58:33,763
♪ Are changing every day ♪
1319
00:58:33,763 --> 00:58:36,433
[man] There were great
moments we played Italy,
1320
00:58:36,433 --> 00:58:38,518
he was like a superstar there.
1321
00:58:38,518 --> 00:58:40,020
We played this one show,
1322
00:58:40,020 --> 00:58:43,314
and the girls are trying
to rip our clothes off,
1323
00:58:43,314 --> 00:58:45,442
and we played in Verona,
1324
00:58:45,442 --> 00:58:48,153
and as we're pulling up
in the cars to the gig,
1325
00:58:48,153 --> 00:58:49,487
the kids are piling on
1326
00:58:49,487 --> 00:58:51,656
and banging our windows
and all this stuff,
1327
00:58:51,656 --> 00:58:54,075
so he was getting
some of that love too,
1328
00:58:54,075 --> 00:58:56,244
and realized
this is what it could be.
1329
00:58:56,244 --> 00:58:58,747
[crowd cheering]
1330
00:59:00,665 --> 00:59:02,834
[speaking Italian]
1331
00:59:02,834 --> 00:59:05,211
- Okay, you're great.
- [chuckling]
1332
00:59:05,754 --> 00:59:07,464
[Zoe]
At the time we were touring
1333
00:59:07,464 --> 00:59:08,923
on Voice of America,
1334
00:59:08,923 --> 00:59:10,800
Born in the USA had exploded.
1335
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:13,678
- ♪ The years gone by... ♪
- [Zoe] Bruce hit the road,
1336
00:59:13,678 --> 00:59:16,014
it was a slightly different
E Street Band.
1337
00:59:16,014 --> 00:59:18,391
Patti Scialfa was
on background vocals,
1338
00:59:18,391 --> 00:59:20,727
Nils Lofgren handled guitar.
1339
00:59:20,727 --> 00:59:23,104
I fucking love Nils Lofgren,
1340
00:59:23,104 --> 00:59:26,066
but when Little Steven
wasn't there,
1341
00:59:26,066 --> 00:59:29,194
and Nils was, that was
like having a stepdad.
1342
00:59:29,861 --> 00:59:31,571
Took me a while
to get used to him
1343
00:59:31,571 --> 00:59:33,156
being in the house and...
1344
00:59:33,448 --> 00:59:34,824
fucking my mom.
1345
00:59:35,325 --> 00:59:36,701
[laughing]
1346
00:59:36,701 --> 00:59:39,329
[Zoe] And that record
Steven co-produced
1347
00:59:39,329 --> 00:59:41,206
had seven Top Ten singles,
1348
00:59:41,206 --> 00:59:43,375
and at that time,
I believe it was tied
1349
00:59:43,375 --> 00:59:45,627
for the most of all time.
1350
00:59:46,044 --> 00:59:47,045
Woo!
1351
00:59:47,420 --> 00:59:49,047
Well, that was a tough period.
1352
00:59:49,047 --> 00:59:51,424
It was very strange,
because on one hand,
1353
00:59:51,424 --> 00:59:53,385
it was kind of...
we were having
1354
00:59:53,385 --> 00:59:55,345
all of this
tremendous success,
1355
00:59:56,096 --> 00:59:57,222
and at the time,
1356
00:59:57,222 --> 00:59:59,808
I couldn't share it with
Steve, he wasn't there.
1357
00:59:59,808 --> 01:00:02,769
So I think it... I think
that would have been...
1358
01:00:03,395 --> 01:00:05,563
It would have been nice
at that moment.
1359
01:00:05,563 --> 01:00:09,442
I can imagine that affected
Steven somewhat,
1360
01:00:09,442 --> 01:00:13,446
but I can say he was super
focused on what he was doing.
1361
01:00:14,072 --> 01:00:17,701
It was a crazy tour.
It changed the band a bit.
1362
01:00:17,701 --> 01:00:19,911
[man] What was the reason
for dropping the horns?
1363
01:00:19,911 --> 01:00:22,247
[Stevie] As I began
to write for the new album,
1364
01:00:22,247 --> 01:00:25,375
I realized I wasn't really
writing for horns anymore.
1365
01:00:26,459 --> 01:00:28,253
And you know,
I may change every year.
1366
01:00:28,253 --> 01:00:31,339
♪ What people need
What people want ♪
1367
01:00:31,798 --> 01:00:35,051
♪ When are we gonna start
Talking about that? ♪
1368
01:00:36,636 --> 01:00:38,471
[Pat] At the point
I was touring with him,
1369
01:00:38,471 --> 01:00:42,684
it was about
full-on rock stuff.
1370
01:00:43,685 --> 01:00:46,229
♪ No more party ♪
1371
01:00:47,522 --> 01:00:50,400
♪ No more party ♪
1372
01:00:50,984 --> 01:00:53,778
♪ No more party ♪
1373
01:00:55,405 --> 01:00:57,615
♪ No more party ♪
1374
01:00:57,615 --> 01:01:00,910
♪ Got my own
Party right here ♪
1375
01:01:00,910 --> 01:01:02,620
Have you found it a problem
1376
01:01:02,620 --> 01:01:04,789
that to be in radio,
1377
01:01:04,789 --> 01:01:07,625
radio locked up because
of rock music being white,
1378
01:01:07,625 --> 01:01:09,586
and your band
is not exactly white,
1379
01:01:09,586 --> 01:01:11,421
it's in between
the soul, the Black,
1380
01:01:11,421 --> 01:01:12,630
where do you fit in?
1381
01:01:12,630 --> 01:01:15,258
- We don't. [chuckling]
- [host] Yeah.
1382
01:01:15,258 --> 01:01:16,384
Uh, so far.
1383
01:01:16,384 --> 01:01:17,969
[host] Has that
been a problem?
1384
01:01:17,969 --> 01:01:20,388
It is, yeah, it's a problem
for everybody
1385
01:01:20,388 --> 01:01:22,557
who cannot be
categorized exactly.
1386
01:01:22,557 --> 01:01:24,684
You know, that's been
a problem in radio.
1387
01:01:25,477 --> 01:01:29,230
[Zoe] The look of that band
obviously is his creation,
1388
01:01:29,230 --> 01:01:30,732
but not many bands had
1389
01:01:30,732 --> 01:01:33,485
multiracial men
and women in it.
1390
01:01:33,985 --> 01:01:37,322
To have brought together
a drummer from the Rascals,
1391
01:01:37,864 --> 01:01:39,949
and a bass player
from the Plasmatics.
1392
01:01:40,367 --> 01:01:42,952
They should have never met,
those two guys.
1393
01:01:43,536 --> 01:01:46,915
I think Steven's philosophy
about a band is it's a club.
1394
01:01:46,915 --> 01:01:49,167
And, you know,
we had these long coats
1395
01:01:49,167 --> 01:01:51,544
that he made for
everyone in the band,
1396
01:01:51,544 --> 01:01:53,838
and those were
like our colors.
1397
01:01:53,838 --> 01:01:55,799
I mean, I remember
running around Liverpool
1398
01:01:55,799 --> 01:01:57,676
with Maureen
with our dusters.
1399
01:01:57,676 --> 01:01:59,135
I mean, we had to represent.
1400
01:01:59,135 --> 01:02:01,096
Steven brought them
on David Letterman
1401
01:02:01,096 --> 01:02:03,181
and had the Late Night
band wearing them.
1402
01:02:03,181 --> 01:02:05,016
Did you actually
bring the clothes
1403
01:02:05,016 --> 01:02:06,685
for the gentlemen
in the band?
1404
01:02:06,685 --> 01:02:08,853
- No, I'll tell you the truth.
- [chuckling]
1405
01:02:08,853 --> 01:02:11,022
I went in the dressing room,
brought extra things,
1406
01:02:11,022 --> 01:02:12,732
I go in there, they're gone.
1407
01:02:12,732 --> 01:02:14,359
[audience laughing]
1408
01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:17,320
[rock music playing]
1409
01:02:21,408 --> 01:02:23,993
This is our third trip back
to Europe in a year,
1410
01:02:23,993 --> 01:02:26,788
which is unusual, especially
for an American band.
1411
01:02:26,788 --> 01:02:27,997
I like it in Europe,
1412
01:02:27,997 --> 01:02:29,833
because I can see
America's place
1413
01:02:29,833 --> 01:02:31,751
in the world more clearly.
1414
01:02:32,085 --> 01:02:33,920
We're like ambassadors
over here.
1415
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:35,422
We represent America.
1416
01:02:37,132 --> 01:02:39,384
I feel it's necessary to...
1417
01:02:40,218 --> 01:02:41,511
apologize
1418
01:02:42,178 --> 01:02:44,347
for my government's arrogance,
1419
01:02:44,347 --> 01:02:46,725
- and my people's ignorance...
- [cheering]
1420
01:02:46,725 --> 01:02:49,394
...and I hope you don't
judge us too harshly.
1421
01:02:49,394 --> 01:02:50,979
There's voices that do not
1422
01:02:50,979 --> 01:02:53,148
wanna put missiles
in your country.
1423
01:02:53,982 --> 01:02:56,943
We need solidarity
right now, uh...
1424
01:02:58,361 --> 01:03:00,363
before, uh, it's too late.
1425
01:03:01,031 --> 01:03:04,534
♪ Where have you gone
Desaparecido ♪
1426
01:03:04,534 --> 01:03:08,747
♪ I taste your blood
In the roots of this land ♪
1427
01:03:08,747 --> 01:03:12,000
♪ Where have you gone
Desaparecido ♪
1428
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:14,210
♪ Mi querido ♪
1429
01:03:14,210 --> 01:03:18,173
♪ Only yesterday
I held your hand... ♪
1430
01:03:38,902 --> 01:03:42,280
Stevie is an
all-or-nothing person.
1431
01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:45,617
[chuckling] He's all in,
or he's not in.
1432
01:03:45,617 --> 01:03:48,161
And when we first started out,
1433
01:03:48,161 --> 01:03:51,164
Stevie was,
"No politics, no politics.
1434
01:03:51,164 --> 01:03:54,751
That's not the way to go
about it, that's wrong."
1435
01:03:54,751 --> 01:03:57,462
Then he became all politics.
1436
01:03:57,462 --> 01:03:58,838
It's all politics.
1437
01:03:58,838 --> 01:04:02,133
♪ Where have you gone
Desaparecido ♪
1438
01:04:02,133 --> 01:04:05,970
♪ How can they just turn
Their backs to our shame ♪
1439
01:04:05,970 --> 01:04:10,100
♪ Where have you gone
Desaparecido... ♪
1440
01:04:10,725 --> 01:04:12,394
[Stevie] I felt
if I could shine a light
1441
01:04:12,394 --> 01:04:13,645
on some of these things,
1442
01:04:13,645 --> 01:04:15,814
maybe I could,
you know, stimulate
1443
01:04:15,814 --> 01:04:17,899
some thought,
1444
01:04:17,899 --> 01:04:20,026
which would stimulate
some conversation,
1445
01:04:20,026 --> 01:04:21,611
which would
stimulate some action.
1446
01:04:21,611 --> 01:04:24,948
We're supposed to be heroes
of democracy and freedom,
1447
01:04:24,948 --> 01:04:26,366
and we weren't.
1448
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:30,912
["Pretoria"
by Little Steven playing]
1449
01:04:30,912 --> 01:04:35,625
♪ I was standing in Pretoria ♪
1450
01:04:35,625 --> 01:04:39,546
♪ Waiting for the sky to fall ♪
1451
01:04:45,677 --> 01:04:48,013
[indistinct chatter]
1452
01:04:50,098 --> 01:04:54,936
♪ Impilo Geyethu
Thina Sigidela Phambili ♪
1453
01:04:54,936 --> 01:04:56,855
Overseas, the violence
in South Africa
1454
01:04:56,855 --> 01:04:58,732
is becoming even
more commonplace.
1455
01:04:58,732 --> 01:05:00,525
It has returned to Soweto,
1456
01:05:00,525 --> 01:05:03,403
the giant Black township
outside Johannesburg.
1457
01:05:03,403 --> 01:05:06,406
Last night in South Africa,
three Blacks were killed
1458
01:05:06,406 --> 01:05:09,034
while they were protesting
the country's race laws.
1459
01:05:09,034 --> 01:05:12,162
We don't believe,
for instance, in the so-called
1460
01:05:12,162 --> 01:05:14,164
guarantees
for minority rights,
1461
01:05:14,164 --> 01:05:16,124
because guaranteeing
minority rights
1462
01:05:16,124 --> 01:05:17,459
implies the recognition
1463
01:05:17,459 --> 01:05:20,378
of portions of the community
on a race basis.
1464
01:05:20,378 --> 01:05:22,881
We believe in our country,
there shall be no minority,
1465
01:05:22,881 --> 01:05:25,050
no majorities, just be people.
1466
01:05:25,717 --> 01:05:29,012
[Stevie] I didn't know what
was going on in South Africa.
1467
01:05:29,012 --> 01:05:32,182
I hear this song "Biko,"
by a guy named Peter Gabriel.
1468
01:05:32,182 --> 01:05:34,934
["Biko" by
Peter Gabriel playing]
1469
01:05:34,934 --> 01:05:39,898
♪ Biko, because Biko ♪
1470
01:05:40,482 --> 01:05:43,026
[Stevie] But man,
the song was amazing.
1471
01:05:43,026 --> 01:05:45,528
It really led
to my engagement
1472
01:05:45,528 --> 01:05:47,155
with activism in general,
1473
01:05:47,155 --> 01:05:49,366
and specifically,
the apartheid regime
1474
01:05:49,366 --> 01:05:50,658
of South Africa.
1475
01:05:51,076 --> 01:05:54,204
Political songs
were not my genre,
1476
01:05:54,788 --> 01:05:56,081
but in South Africa,
1477
01:05:56,081 --> 01:05:58,041
which had racism enshrined
1478
01:05:58,041 --> 01:06:00,460
in its constitution,
in apartheid,
1479
01:06:00,460 --> 01:06:03,088
that was a struggle
that connected with me.
1480
01:06:03,088 --> 01:06:05,256
And with Biko's arrest,
1481
01:06:05,256 --> 01:06:07,217
I'm not sure they
meant to kill him.
1482
01:06:07,217 --> 01:06:10,095
I'm sure they meant to torture
the hell out of him.
1483
01:06:10,095 --> 01:06:12,722
So it was a shock
when his death was announced.
1484
01:06:12,722 --> 01:06:14,683
[reporter]
Sunday, September 25th,
1485
01:06:14,683 --> 01:06:16,685
20,000 Black South Africans
1486
01:06:16,685 --> 01:06:18,228
came to mourn Steve Biko,
1487
01:06:18,228 --> 01:06:19,813
the non-violent
but militant
1488
01:06:19,813 --> 01:06:21,272
Black radical leader
1489
01:06:21,272 --> 01:06:23,316
who died mysteriously
in police custody.
1490
01:06:23,316 --> 01:06:25,360
I couldn't find out
much about South Africa,
1491
01:06:25,360 --> 01:06:27,779
it was just
very, very mysterious,
1492
01:06:27,779 --> 01:06:29,280
and I had to
see it firsthand.
1493
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:32,117
[singing]
1494
01:06:38,081 --> 01:06:40,125
[Stevie]
I think on my second trip,
1495
01:06:40,125 --> 01:06:43,003
I'm in a taxi,
I'm going down the street,
1496
01:06:43,003 --> 01:06:46,464
and-and a Black guy
steps off the curb,
1497
01:06:47,215 --> 01:06:50,010
and the cab driver swerved
to try and hit him.
1498
01:06:50,010 --> 01:06:53,179
I was literally in shock.
1499
01:06:53,179 --> 01:06:57,434
I was like, "Man, let me out
the next corner," you know.
1500
01:06:57,434 --> 01:06:59,894
I gotta think about
what I just witnessed.
1501
01:06:59,894 --> 01:07:02,230
And at that moment, really,
1502
01:07:02,230 --> 01:07:06,484
um, I went from artist
to activist.
1503
01:07:06,484 --> 01:07:09,487
So I'm meeting now with the
Azanian People's Organization
1504
01:07:09,487 --> 01:07:13,324
in Soweto and had to sneak in
in the back seat of a car,
1505
01:07:13,324 --> 01:07:16,119
because there was a military
blockade at the time.
1506
01:07:16,661 --> 01:07:19,080
So they're burning,
like, coal fires,
1507
01:07:19,622 --> 01:07:23,710
and there's, uh, like,
three feet of, like, fog
1508
01:07:23,710 --> 01:07:25,378
as far as the eye could see.
1509
01:07:25,879 --> 01:07:27,172
And we get to this house,
1510
01:07:27,172 --> 01:07:29,758
and, um, a cat comes out,
1511
01:07:29,758 --> 01:07:31,176
you know, they got machetes,
1512
01:07:31,176 --> 01:07:32,927
and they're
the tough guys.
1513
01:07:32,927 --> 01:07:34,471
They're on the front lines,
1514
01:07:34,471 --> 01:07:36,348
they're blowing up
radio stations,
1515
01:07:36,348 --> 01:07:38,975
they're killing people,
they're the real thing.
1516
01:07:39,225 --> 01:07:41,227
And they're very,
very adversarial.
1517
01:07:41,227 --> 01:07:42,729
They don't
like that I'm there.
1518
01:07:42,729 --> 01:07:44,939
As far as they're concerned,
I'm violating the boycott
1519
01:07:44,939 --> 01:07:46,566
by being there, you know?
1520
01:07:47,359 --> 01:07:49,694
I have to explain to him,
I say, "Listen,
1521
01:07:50,153 --> 01:07:51,279
I'm on your side."
1522
01:07:51,279 --> 01:07:53,031
I don't think
they were pretending.
1523
01:07:53,031 --> 01:07:55,200
They were thinking
about killing me.
1524
01:07:56,242 --> 01:07:58,995
But at that point,
I was completely fearless.
1525
01:07:58,995 --> 01:08:03,958
I had lost all-all of, uh,
my fear of everything
1526
01:08:03,958 --> 01:08:06,127
on the flight
down to South Africa.
1527
01:08:06,544 --> 01:08:10,674
Uh, it occurred to me that
I had blown my life, you know?
1528
01:08:11,049 --> 01:08:14,219
Um, 15 years of work
with the E Street Band,
1529
01:08:14,219 --> 01:08:16,179
and I quit, and you know,
1530
01:08:16,179 --> 01:08:17,931
I didn't care about anything,
1531
01:08:17,931 --> 01:08:19,766
you know, at that point.
1532
01:08:19,766 --> 01:08:23,269
Uh, so that helped me, uh,
you know, stand up to them,
1533
01:08:23,269 --> 01:08:26,272
'cause they were really,
you know, you know...
1534
01:08:27,065 --> 01:08:28,233
fingering their machetes
1535
01:08:28,233 --> 01:08:30,068
as they're talking to me,
you know?
1536
01:08:30,068 --> 01:08:33,279
I said to them,
"You're not gonna win this war
1537
01:08:33,279 --> 01:08:36,574
blowing shit up, okay?
And shooting people."
1538
01:08:36,574 --> 01:08:38,076
And they were like,
1539
01:08:38,076 --> 01:08:40,078
"We're not gonna
win the war that way?
1540
01:08:40,078 --> 01:08:41,496
How are we gonna win?"
1541
01:08:41,496 --> 01:08:43,498
I said, "I'm gonna
win the war on TV."
1542
01:08:45,417 --> 01:08:48,378
["Sun City" by Artists United
Against Apartheid playing]
1543
01:08:54,342 --> 01:08:56,886
I got home and started
spreading the word.
1544
01:08:56,886 --> 01:08:58,138
I needed help.
1545
01:08:58,555 --> 01:09:01,182
[Zoe] Steven called and said
"I gotta get this idea down,
1546
01:09:01,182 --> 01:09:04,102
so he came to Ben
and my apartment
1547
01:09:04,102 --> 01:09:08,690
and we recorded
the "Sun City," uh, demo
1548
01:09:08,690 --> 01:09:10,442
on a four-track recorder.
1549
01:09:10,442 --> 01:09:12,277
This is, uh, Danny Schechter
1550
01:09:12,277 --> 01:09:14,446
of GlobalVision
and the Media Channel.
1551
01:09:14,446 --> 01:09:17,449
[Stevie] There was four of us,
equally important.
1552
01:09:17,449 --> 01:09:20,285
Danny Schechter,
who had been a real, um,
1553
01:09:20,285 --> 01:09:21,661
rabble-rouser from way back,
1554
01:09:21,661 --> 01:09:24,164
came from Boston,
and had been involved
1555
01:09:24,164 --> 01:09:26,416
with that issue
years before me.
1556
01:09:26,416 --> 01:09:30,462
He was the reason why
it was publicized at all.
1557
01:09:31,004 --> 01:09:33,048
Arthur Baker
offered his studio,
1558
01:09:33,048 --> 01:09:35,133
and his engineers,
and his musicians,
1559
01:09:35,133 --> 01:09:36,801
and the record
as his phone book.
1560
01:09:37,635 --> 01:09:39,471
When Steve told me
about the record,
1561
01:09:39,471 --> 01:09:42,349
I decided I wanted
to get involved.
1562
01:09:42,349 --> 01:09:44,184
[Stevie] Hart Perry filmed it.
1563
01:09:44,726 --> 01:09:47,312
If he hadn't filmed, no one
would have heard of it,
1564
01:09:47,312 --> 01:09:49,397
because American
radio wouldn't play it.
1565
01:09:49,397 --> 01:09:51,232
It was too Black
for white radio,
1566
01:09:51,232 --> 01:09:52,817
too white for Black radio.
1567
01:09:53,485 --> 01:09:56,321
Any one of those four guys
were not involved,
1568
01:09:56,321 --> 01:09:57,655
it wouldn't have happened.
1569
01:09:57,655 --> 01:10:00,283
I said, "Steven,
we should do something."
1570
01:10:00,283 --> 01:10:02,744
He said,
"I've already written a song."
1571
01:10:03,161 --> 01:10:04,746
The track was really catchy.
1572
01:10:04,746 --> 01:10:07,290
And then we started
just sort of brainstorming
1573
01:10:07,290 --> 01:10:09,167
who could be on the record.
1574
01:10:09,167 --> 01:10:13,129
And we get together
at this, uh, Sunrise Diner
1575
01:10:13,129 --> 01:10:14,506
right on 57th Street.
1576
01:10:14,506 --> 01:10:16,299
We go in there,
we'd make a list,
1577
01:10:16,299 --> 01:10:18,718
and we'd draw it
on the placemat.
1578
01:10:19,302 --> 01:10:22,764
[Stevie] Sun City is
a resort like Las Vegas
1579
01:10:22,764 --> 01:10:25,475
in the middle of what
they call homelands.
1580
01:10:25,475 --> 01:10:28,436
The homelands are where
the South African government
1581
01:10:28,436 --> 01:10:31,022
is relocating all
the South African Blacks
1582
01:10:31,022 --> 01:10:32,691
against their will.
1583
01:10:32,691 --> 01:10:34,984
So what happens is
they pay a lot of money
1584
01:10:34,984 --> 01:10:36,361
for people to come down.
1585
01:10:36,361 --> 01:10:38,363
Every time somebody
goes down and plays,
1586
01:10:38,363 --> 01:10:39,698
they are justifying
1587
01:10:39,698 --> 01:10:41,991
South Africa's
relocation policy.
1588
01:10:41,991 --> 01:10:45,870
♪ We're rockers and rappers
United and strong ♪
1589
01:10:45,870 --> 01:10:48,248
♪ We're here to talk
About South Africa ♪
1590
01:10:48,248 --> 01:10:50,083
♪ We don't like
What's going on ♪
1591
01:10:50,083 --> 01:10:52,544
- ♪ Tell it ♪
- ♪ Time for some justice ♪
1592
01:10:52,544 --> 01:10:54,546
- ♪ It's time for the truth ♪
- ♪ Speak it ♪
1593
01:10:54,546 --> 01:10:56,214
♪ We've realized ♪
1594
01:10:56,214 --> 01:10:58,425
♪ There's only one thing
We can do ♪
1595
01:10:58,425 --> 01:10:59,551
♪ We gotta say I... ♪
1596
01:10:59,551 --> 01:11:01,136
[Wolf]
There was nothing like it.
1597
01:11:01,136 --> 01:11:02,637
Steven got together
1598
01:11:02,637 --> 01:11:04,514
with different
genres of music.
1599
01:11:04,514 --> 01:11:07,058
Rockers, punk rockers,
1600
01:11:07,058 --> 01:11:09,227
rappers, R&B stars.
1601
01:11:09,602 --> 01:11:12,188
And the amount of artists
that were involved.
1602
01:11:12,188 --> 01:11:13,857
I was an early
Midnight Oil fan.
1603
01:11:13,857 --> 01:11:17,527
You know, Peter Garrett
to Peter Gabriel to Bono.
1604
01:11:17,527 --> 01:11:19,988
God almighty, you got
two of the Temptations,
1605
01:11:19,988 --> 01:11:21,740
Eddie Kendricks,
David Ruffin.
1606
01:11:21,740 --> 01:11:23,867
I was always big
on the Temptations,
1607
01:11:23,867 --> 01:11:26,745
so just seeing them
is like seeing God.
1608
01:11:26,745 --> 01:11:29,205
[Chris] I remembered
Lou Reed's in the thing.
1609
01:11:29,205 --> 01:11:31,416
People will get
the word eventually, but...
1610
01:11:31,416 --> 01:11:33,418
It seeps in like osmosis.
1611
01:11:33,418 --> 01:11:36,838
You could tell it was gonna be
something monumental,
1612
01:11:36,838 --> 01:11:38,214
because of who was there,
1613
01:11:38,214 --> 01:11:40,342
and the main thing,
why they was there,
1614
01:11:40,342 --> 01:11:42,010
and everybody's passion
1615
01:11:42,010 --> 01:11:44,137
for what the project
stood for.
1616
01:11:44,137 --> 01:11:46,514
[Townshend]
We should impose sanctions.
1617
01:11:46,514 --> 01:11:49,309
The only sanction
a rock performer can impose
1618
01:11:49,309 --> 01:11:51,561
is to say, "We're not
gonna come and play
1619
01:11:51,561 --> 01:11:53,438
until you do things right."
1620
01:11:53,897 --> 01:11:57,025
This country prides itself
in being the land of the free.
1621
01:11:57,025 --> 01:11:58,401
We should
be able to understand
1622
01:11:58,401 --> 01:11:59,944
most people who
want to be free,
1623
01:11:59,944 --> 01:12:01,112
and support them.
1624
01:12:01,112 --> 01:12:02,655
[man] This is a continuation
1625
01:12:02,655 --> 01:12:06,159
of what I've preached
all my life about Apartheid.
1626
01:12:06,159 --> 01:12:09,079
It fills me full
of joy to participate.
1627
01:12:09,079 --> 01:12:11,456
I had a call from
Steven, he said,
1628
01:12:11,456 --> 01:12:13,416
"This is how I heard about
1629
01:12:13,416 --> 01:12:14,959
what was going on
in South Africa."
1630
01:12:14,959 --> 01:12:17,587
It wasn't "Let's all
hold hands, drink Coca-Cola
1631
01:12:17,587 --> 01:12:19,214
and say the word peace."
1632
01:12:19,214 --> 01:12:21,883
It was about actually
there's something wrong
1633
01:12:21,883 --> 01:12:23,551
that we need to fix.
1634
01:12:23,551 --> 01:12:25,512
Rage is at the heart
of rock and roll,
1635
01:12:25,512 --> 01:12:27,472
and you can
direct it at the people
1636
01:12:27,472 --> 01:12:29,099
who are oppressing you,
1637
01:12:29,099 --> 01:12:30,725
or you can direct it at people
1638
01:12:30,725 --> 01:12:32,852
who are oppressing
other people,
1639
01:12:33,436 --> 01:12:35,855
who can live in far-off lands.
1640
01:12:36,356 --> 01:12:38,942
As a Black South African,
I cannot vote.
1641
01:12:38,942 --> 01:12:42,237
And as a Black South African,
I cannot own land.
1642
01:12:42,237 --> 01:12:44,656
As a Black South African,
1643
01:12:44,656 --> 01:12:47,158
I am not allowed
to get married
1644
01:12:47,158 --> 01:12:49,327
to someone from another city.
1645
01:12:49,661 --> 01:12:52,372
So, you know,
from the cradle to the grave,
1646
01:12:52,372 --> 01:12:53,998
if you're Black
in South Africa,
1647
01:12:53,998 --> 01:12:56,292
you need government
permission to exist.
1648
01:12:57,168 --> 01:12:59,629
[Darlene] I think
people will sit and listen.
1649
01:12:59,629 --> 01:13:01,965
Nobody is really aware
1650
01:13:01,965 --> 01:13:04,384
of everything that's
going on in South Africa,
1651
01:13:04,384 --> 01:13:07,053
and I think this will make
people really aware.
1652
01:13:07,053 --> 01:13:08,680
It wasn't about
egos or anything.
1653
01:13:08,680 --> 01:13:10,598
We were just
all happy to do it.
1654
01:13:10,598 --> 01:13:12,267
With everybody on that album,
1655
01:13:12,267 --> 01:13:13,852
it's completely
different voices,
1656
01:13:13,852 --> 01:13:17,022
and different temperaments,
and everybody fit in.
1657
01:13:17,022 --> 01:13:19,524
♪ Relocation ♪
1658
01:13:19,524 --> 01:13:21,526
♪ To phony homelands ♪
1659
01:13:21,526 --> 01:13:25,238
♪ Separation of families
I can't understand ♪
1660
01:13:25,822 --> 01:13:29,659
♪ 23 million can't vote
Because they're Black ♪
1661
01:13:29,659 --> 01:13:33,538
♪ We're stabbing our brothers
And sisters in the back ♪
1662
01:13:33,538 --> 01:13:34,914
♪ We're gonna say I ♪
1663
01:13:34,914 --> 01:13:36,916
♪ I, I, I, I ♪
1664
01:13:36,916 --> 01:13:40,712
♪ Ain't gonna play
Sun City... ♪
1665
01:13:41,296 --> 01:13:42,422
I'll try and cue you.
1666
01:13:42,422 --> 01:13:44,299
There's a part
where there's na-na's.
1667
01:13:44,299 --> 01:13:45,717
[woman] Na-na.
1668
01:13:45,717 --> 01:13:47,552
♪ Na-na na-na-na na ♪
1669
01:13:47,552 --> 01:13:49,471
♪ Na-na-na, yeah ♪
1670
01:13:49,804 --> 01:13:51,973
♪ Well this quiet diplomacy ♪
1671
01:13:51,973 --> 01:13:55,393
♪ Ain't nothing but a joke
I'm gonna say ♪
1672
01:13:56,144 --> 01:13:58,563
[Bruce] The ability to get
all those artists on board,
1673
01:13:58,563 --> 01:14:00,690
something that was political,
1674
01:14:00,690 --> 01:14:03,318
was quite a feat of,
amongst many other things,
1675
01:14:03,318 --> 01:14:04,819
salesmanship. [laughing]
1676
01:14:04,819 --> 01:14:07,364
Which Steve
is pretty good at.
1677
01:14:07,364 --> 01:14:08,740
- All this...
- Thank you.
1678
01:14:08,740 --> 01:14:11,159
...is a Little Steven
production.
1679
01:14:11,159 --> 01:14:12,702
I'm still impressed
how he gathered
1680
01:14:12,702 --> 01:14:14,746
all of these different
people together,
1681
01:14:14,746 --> 01:14:17,749
and everybody at that time
was in their prime.
1682
01:14:17,749 --> 01:14:21,002
[Zoe] On the day that
we recorded Miles Davis,
1683
01:14:21,002 --> 01:14:23,880
we were not sure
that he was even coming.
1684
01:14:23,880 --> 01:14:26,299
And we were all
on pins and needles,
1685
01:14:26,299 --> 01:14:27,634
and then I get the call.
1686
01:14:28,009 --> 01:14:30,178
One of those
magical times in the studio
1687
01:14:30,178 --> 01:14:31,596
that become part of your life.
1688
01:14:31,596 --> 01:14:34,140
[backing track playing]
1689
01:14:37,268 --> 01:14:39,312
This, I'm jumping
at the chance
1690
01:14:39,312 --> 01:14:41,022
to do this, this one.
1691
01:14:41,314 --> 01:14:43,274
South Africa makes me ill,
1692
01:14:43,274 --> 01:14:46,486
sick all over, everything.
1693
01:14:46,486 --> 01:14:48,613
When I think about it,
I can't do nothing.
1694
01:14:48,613 --> 01:14:50,281
I can't even play.
1695
01:14:51,616 --> 01:14:55,578
[whispering]
1696
01:14:59,833 --> 01:15:02,419
There will be a lot
of different versions
1697
01:15:02,419 --> 01:15:04,004
on the, uh, on the record.
1698
01:15:04,004 --> 01:15:06,965
It could be either
five or six versions.
1699
01:15:06,965 --> 01:15:08,800
The more great
performances we get,
1700
01:15:08,800 --> 01:15:10,468
the more versions. [chuckles]
1701
01:15:10,468 --> 01:15:11,678
[Zoe] And it turned out
1702
01:15:11,678 --> 01:15:13,847
that six versions
of "Sun City"
1703
01:15:13,847 --> 01:15:17,892
were produced simply
out of the creative process.
1704
01:15:17,892 --> 01:15:20,895
And then Bono
flew in from Africa,
1705
01:15:20,895 --> 01:15:24,232
and Keith Richards
was around, Ron Wood,
1706
01:15:24,232 --> 01:15:25,525
and their last song,
1707
01:15:25,525 --> 01:15:27,944
called "Silver and Gold,"
was created.
1708
01:15:28,361 --> 01:15:31,031
You know, the dirty
little secret here
1709
01:15:31,031 --> 01:15:35,452
is none of us wants
to get that call,
1710
01:15:35,452 --> 01:15:38,496
where the other artist
is going to ask you
1711
01:15:38,496 --> 01:15:40,331
to put down
what you were doing
1712
01:15:40,331 --> 01:15:42,292
to take up their cross,
1713
01:15:42,292 --> 01:15:45,337
to follow them
on some mission.
1714
01:15:45,337 --> 01:15:48,006
He corralled all of us.
1715
01:15:48,465 --> 01:15:50,925
Steven understood
that perhaps
1716
01:15:50,925 --> 01:15:54,596
that rock 'n' roll owed a debt
to the continent of Africa.
1717
01:15:54,596 --> 01:15:57,682
[singing in African language]
1718
01:16:03,480 --> 01:16:05,065
[Stevie] The Malopoets,
1719
01:16:05,065 --> 01:16:06,691
uh, have some members
1720
01:16:06,691 --> 01:16:08,526
that still live
in South Africa,
1721
01:16:08,526 --> 01:16:10,028
and I asked them, uh...
1722
01:16:10,028 --> 01:16:12,947
It could be dangerous
to be on this record.
1723
01:16:12,947 --> 01:16:15,492
Who knows what
reprisals may happen.
1724
01:16:15,492 --> 01:16:18,286
They told me, "We have
to be on this record."
1725
01:16:18,870 --> 01:16:20,789
Somebody tells you
they're ready to die
1726
01:16:20,789 --> 01:16:22,749
to be on a record, you know...
1727
01:16:23,750 --> 01:16:24,876
that's commitment.
1728
01:16:25,210 --> 01:16:28,672
Though the Black South African
suffering is horrifying,
1729
01:16:28,672 --> 01:16:31,174
they do not
ask us for our pity.
1730
01:16:31,883 --> 01:16:35,595
All they ask us is that we
look at them and see them,
1731
01:16:35,970 --> 01:16:38,723
because by seeing them,
we see ourselves.
1732
01:16:38,723 --> 01:16:41,393
Okay, well you should
come in on the first "I."
1733
01:16:41,393 --> 01:16:44,312
Jonathan Demme,
who shot the thing,
1734
01:16:44,312 --> 01:16:46,981
was just the A-1 cat.
1735
01:16:46,981 --> 01:16:49,401
[Demme] Shooting on
the video is happening
1736
01:16:49,401 --> 01:16:51,194
in two countries at once,
1737
01:16:51,194 --> 01:16:53,655
um, England and America,
and on two coasts,
1738
01:16:53,655 --> 01:16:55,824
New York and California.
1739
01:16:56,241 --> 01:16:57,534
It was planned to bring
1740
01:16:57,534 --> 01:16:59,536
this huge number
of artists into town,
1741
01:16:59,536 --> 01:17:01,746
and to gather them together
some way or other
1742
01:17:01,746 --> 01:17:03,915
to, um, do a-a unity,
1743
01:17:03,915 --> 01:17:06,209
a unified image
of everybody singing together.
1744
01:17:06,209 --> 01:17:09,129
And, um, the night
before we had to shoot,
1745
01:17:09,129 --> 01:17:10,880
Little Steven had
the great idea
1746
01:17:10,880 --> 01:17:12,924
of doing it
in Washington Square.
1747
01:17:12,924 --> 01:17:15,343
All this was happening
at once. On one day,
1748
01:17:15,343 --> 01:17:16,845
Godley and Creme
were shooting
1749
01:17:16,845 --> 01:17:18,763
Ringo and Zak Starr
in London,
1750
01:17:18,763 --> 01:17:20,807
while we were
shooting Eddie Kendrick,
1751
01:17:20,807 --> 01:17:23,476
and Lou Reed, and Rubén
Blades, in New York.
1752
01:17:23,476 --> 01:17:25,645
And then the next day,
1753
01:17:25,645 --> 01:17:27,063
Hart Perry went out
to Los Angeles
1754
01:17:27,063 --> 01:17:29,733
to get Bob Dylan
and Jackson Browne.
1755
01:17:29,733 --> 01:17:32,027
- ♪ Relocation ♪
- ♪ Relocation ♪
1756
01:17:32,027 --> 01:17:34,320
- ♪ To phony homelands ♪
- ♪ Phony homelands... ♪
1757
01:17:34,320 --> 01:17:35,447
[Demme] George Clinton,
1758
01:17:35,447 --> 01:17:36,614
who's incredible
in the piece.
1759
01:17:36,614 --> 01:17:38,616
I'm glad it's
becoming more clear
1760
01:17:38,616 --> 01:17:39,951
what's going on over there.
1761
01:17:39,951 --> 01:17:41,786
So maybe
the awareness will help
1762
01:17:41,786 --> 01:17:43,997
make a change there,
I'm quite sure it will.
1763
01:17:43,997 --> 01:17:48,043
Actually, I was making
music videos at the time,
1764
01:17:48,043 --> 01:17:50,128
and I figured,
"Wow, you know, uh,
1765
01:17:50,128 --> 01:17:53,006
this is like
a music documentary.
1766
01:17:53,006 --> 01:17:56,176
I'll take my camera
and just start shooting."
1767
01:17:57,093 --> 01:17:59,304
[Melle] Steve says,
"Here comes Bruce now."
1768
01:17:59,304 --> 01:18:00,805
So now
I'm expecting to see
1769
01:18:00,805 --> 01:18:03,475
like, a whole entourage,
1770
01:18:03,475 --> 01:18:04,851
and bodyguards,
1771
01:18:04,851 --> 01:18:06,770
and he came around the corner
1772
01:18:06,770 --> 01:18:09,064
by himself,
hands in his pocket.
1773
01:18:09,064 --> 01:18:11,608
I was like, "Wow,
that's big right there."
1774
01:18:11,608 --> 01:18:13,985
And he was hot as
a firecracker, you know?
1775
01:18:13,985 --> 01:18:16,905
It wasn't glossy,
it wasn't showbiz-y.
1776
01:18:16,905 --> 01:18:18,823
He really consciously kept it
1777
01:18:18,823 --> 01:18:22,118
with "We don't need
this to go to Hollywood,"
1778
01:18:22,118 --> 01:18:24,621
'cause we go Hollywood,
you miss the point.
1779
01:18:24,621 --> 01:18:27,499
So when you edit
like Harlem streets,
1780
01:18:27,499 --> 01:18:30,585
and then you go and edit
some of the African streets,
1781
01:18:30,585 --> 01:18:34,339
it almost match, you know,
with that same type of vibe
1782
01:18:34,339 --> 01:18:36,174
and that grittiness.
1783
01:18:36,174 --> 01:18:39,678
You know, back in the days,
like, if you go to school,
1784
01:18:39,678 --> 01:18:41,554
and somebody
call you an African,
1785
01:18:41,554 --> 01:18:43,473
you would be ready
to fight them.
1786
01:18:43,473 --> 01:18:45,016
Because what
they had put in all
1787
01:18:45,016 --> 01:18:46,643
the history books and stuff,
1788
01:18:46,643 --> 01:18:48,853
they made all Africans
look like savages.
1789
01:18:48,853 --> 01:18:50,939
So if somebody say,
"Yo, you an African,"
1790
01:18:50,939 --> 01:18:53,525
it was like somebody
talking about your mother.
1791
01:18:53,525 --> 01:18:55,026
[Melle] That's the race thing.
1792
01:18:55,026 --> 01:18:57,821
It's like a con job,
but they made Black people
1793
01:18:57,821 --> 01:19:00,532
the main focus of what
the con is, you know?
1794
01:19:00,532 --> 01:19:02,242
'Cause for me,
I believe in my heart
1795
01:19:02,242 --> 01:19:04,911
there's really only one race,
it's the human race.
1796
01:19:04,911 --> 01:19:06,871
Everything else
is like a con game,
1797
01:19:06,871 --> 01:19:09,249
and they,
and it works perfectly.
1798
01:19:09,249 --> 01:19:12,711
But, uh, if you're-if you're
at the bottom of the con,
1799
01:19:12,711 --> 01:19:15,880
I mean... [chuckling]
It's not all that great.
1800
01:19:16,756 --> 01:19:19,217
[Wolf]
MTV was pretty segregated.
1801
01:19:19,217 --> 01:19:21,136
You didn't see
R&B artists on there.
1802
01:19:21,136 --> 01:19:23,013
You didn't see
rap artists on there.
1803
01:19:23,013 --> 01:19:25,056
And when Steven
pulled this together,
1804
01:19:25,056 --> 01:19:26,808
it was really
ahead of the curve.
1805
01:19:26,808 --> 01:19:29,060
He was just
including everyone.
1806
01:19:29,060 --> 01:19:30,895
Hip hop would be over here,
1807
01:19:30,895 --> 01:19:33,106
you know, rock and roll
would be over there.
1808
01:19:33,106 --> 01:19:35,567
Hip hop was more this
like the bastard music
1809
01:19:35,567 --> 01:19:36,985
of all the genres.
1810
01:19:36,985 --> 01:19:38,903
[Scorpio] We all know what
each other's doing,
1811
01:19:38,903 --> 01:19:40,321
but we looking
at each other,
1812
01:19:40,321 --> 01:19:42,699
'cause we come from
different walks of life.
1813
01:19:42,699 --> 01:19:44,200
[man] Whenever
they do these things,
1814
01:19:44,200 --> 01:19:47,120
and this happens
unfortunately very frequently,
1815
01:19:47,120 --> 01:19:51,207
they're doing a project that
has an international impact,
1816
01:19:51,583 --> 01:19:53,251
they don't call
Latin artists.
1817
01:19:53,835 --> 01:19:55,420
"We Are the World."
1818
01:19:56,171 --> 01:19:59,007
You know, "We are
the world, except you."
1819
01:19:59,007 --> 01:20:01,009
We all have
to be represented.
1820
01:20:01,009 --> 01:20:02,844
Whatever problem exists,
1821
01:20:02,844 --> 01:20:05,472
it's not just one
nationality's problem.
1822
01:20:05,472 --> 01:20:06,931
It's everyone's problem.
1823
01:20:06,931 --> 01:20:08,683
[Bruce]
It's a good moment for us
1824
01:20:08,683 --> 01:20:09,893
to look at the racism
1825
01:20:09,893 --> 01:20:11,936
and the prejudice
that still exists
1826
01:20:11,936 --> 01:20:13,229
in our own backyard.
1827
01:20:13,229 --> 01:20:15,482
It's a moment
we should reinvestigate
1828
01:20:15,482 --> 01:20:17,025
our own racial problems.
1829
01:20:17,025 --> 01:20:19,402
People try to put it across
as propaganda,
1830
01:20:19,402 --> 01:20:22,197
that it's the left or right.
This is apolitical.
1831
01:20:22,197 --> 01:20:24,407
Doesn't matter what side.
It's common sense.
1832
01:20:24,407 --> 01:20:28,370
It was like the whole music
industry came together.
1833
01:20:28,828 --> 01:20:30,955
It was almost like
you felt you belonged.
1834
01:20:30,955 --> 01:20:33,458
♪ Oh whoa whoa whoa ♪
1835
01:20:33,458 --> 01:20:36,127
♪ Na-na na-na-na ♪
1836
01:20:36,127 --> 01:20:39,130
♪ Na-na-na yeah ♪
1837
01:20:39,130 --> 01:20:41,675
The whole band, you know,
the E Street Band,
1838
01:20:41,675 --> 01:20:43,259
he felt that all these people
1839
01:20:43,259 --> 01:20:45,595
would be on the right
side of history.
1840
01:20:45,595 --> 01:20:47,222
What separated Little Steven
1841
01:20:47,222 --> 01:20:50,183
was some kind of
righteous anger.
1842
01:20:50,684 --> 01:20:52,185
[Zoe] Steven was
really informed
1843
01:20:52,185 --> 01:20:54,854
and very outspoken
about apartheid.
1844
01:20:54,854 --> 01:20:56,356
He spoke
at the United Nations,
1845
01:20:56,356 --> 01:20:59,275
and I remember him going
on the Donahue show.
1846
01:20:59,901 --> 01:21:02,153
We're in New York City
talking about "Sun City,"
1847
01:21:02,153 --> 01:21:05,115
the most politically
aggressive maneuver
1848
01:21:05,115 --> 01:21:07,117
in the history
of rock 'n' roll.
1849
01:21:07,117 --> 01:21:10,495
That video is totally
misrepresentative
1850
01:21:10,495 --> 01:21:11,788
of the true facts.
1851
01:21:11,788 --> 01:21:14,749
Why should Sun City
then be linked
1852
01:21:14,749 --> 01:21:17,002
with what you saw up there?
1853
01:21:17,002 --> 01:21:19,796
Let's get to the truth now.
We wanna talk about truth.
1854
01:21:19,796 --> 01:21:21,923
Uh, this is the truth.
1855
01:21:22,674 --> 01:21:24,551
It's not Sun City itself,
1856
01:21:24,551 --> 01:21:27,220
the entertainment complex
that's the problem.
1857
01:21:27,220 --> 01:21:29,681
It's where it is,
and where it is
1858
01:21:29,681 --> 01:21:32,017
is where people are not free
1859
01:21:32,017 --> 01:21:33,643
to go where they want to go.
1860
01:21:33,643 --> 01:21:34,853
They're there because
1861
01:21:34,853 --> 01:21:36,479
they have been
relocated forcibly.
1862
01:21:36,479 --> 01:21:37,856
They've been put on a truck,
1863
01:21:37,856 --> 01:21:40,025
and taken hundreds
of miles from their home,
1864
01:21:40,025 --> 01:21:43,361
and dropped in this area,
and they cannot leave.
1865
01:21:43,361 --> 01:21:45,280
They cannot get
visas or passports,
1866
01:21:45,280 --> 01:21:46,865
their citizenship
has been stripped.
1867
01:21:46,865 --> 01:21:48,408
And no one in the world
1868
01:21:48,408 --> 01:21:50,493
recognizes this as
an independent country,
1869
01:21:50,493 --> 01:21:52,871
except for the South African
government.
1870
01:21:52,871 --> 01:21:54,539
[reporter]
The single has sold well
1871
01:21:54,539 --> 01:21:56,124
since its release yesterday,
1872
01:21:56,124 --> 01:21:58,043
and is getting
a lot of radio play.
1873
01:21:58,043 --> 01:21:59,919
We asked the people
at Tower Records
1874
01:21:59,919 --> 01:22:02,547
to play "Sun City."
Customers listen to lyrics
1875
01:22:02,547 --> 01:22:06,259
such as "23 million can't
vote because they're Black,
1876
01:22:06,259 --> 01:22:09,095
we're stabbing our brothers
and sisters in the back."
1877
01:22:09,095 --> 01:22:11,139
Some of the lyrics
are a little critical,
1878
01:22:11,139 --> 01:22:13,683
and when you're
dealing with the public,
1879
01:22:13,683 --> 01:22:15,101
you have to be careful.
1880
01:22:15,101 --> 01:22:17,562
- Would you buy this song?
- Yes, I would.
1881
01:22:18,355 --> 01:22:21,358
♪ Quiet diplomacy
Ain't nothing but a joke ♪
1882
01:22:21,358 --> 01:22:25,153
- ♪ We're gonna say ♪
- ♪ I, I, I, I ♪
1883
01:22:25,153 --> 01:22:27,906
♪ Ain't gonna play Sun City ♪
1884
01:22:27,906 --> 01:22:30,909
♪ Hey, hey, hey, hey, I... ♪
1885
01:22:30,909 --> 01:22:33,203
The system of apartheid,
it's not recognized
1886
01:22:33,203 --> 01:22:34,996
by any government
in the world,
1887
01:22:34,996 --> 01:22:36,498
except South Africa.
1888
01:22:36,498 --> 01:22:37,582
It's like Nazism.
1889
01:22:38,625 --> 01:22:40,752
The song, "Sun City"
1890
01:22:41,086 --> 01:22:42,754
is an affirmation
of the resolve
1891
01:22:42,754 --> 01:22:44,506
of the community of artists
1892
01:22:44,506 --> 01:22:46,132
to contribute to awakening
1893
01:22:46,132 --> 01:22:48,635
the public's
social consciousness,
1894
01:22:48,635 --> 01:22:50,387
to put an end to this inhuman
1895
01:22:50,387 --> 01:22:54,057
and totally
unacceptable policy.
1896
01:22:54,891 --> 01:22:56,976
It was an incredible creation.
1897
01:22:56,976 --> 01:22:59,479
In my opinion, it's a very
historic piece of music
1898
01:22:59,479 --> 01:23:02,065
that really, I think,
had an effect on apartheid,
1899
01:23:02,065 --> 01:23:04,109
and the way it was seen
around the world.
1900
01:23:04,109 --> 01:23:06,486
We have Band Aid,
we've had USA For Africa,
1901
01:23:06,486 --> 01:23:07,445
we had Live Aid,
1902
01:23:07,445 --> 01:23:08,947
Artists United
Against Apartheid,
1903
01:23:08,947 --> 01:23:10,407
Farm Aid, Fashion Aid.
1904
01:23:10,407 --> 01:23:11,700
You think there might be
1905
01:23:11,700 --> 01:23:13,159
too many aid records?
1906
01:23:13,159 --> 01:23:15,620
No, I think-I think, um,
1907
01:23:15,620 --> 01:23:17,122
as long as there's injustice
1908
01:23:17,122 --> 01:23:20,667
and problems in the world,
we should talk about them,
1909
01:23:20,667 --> 01:23:23,461
and rock and roll is the best
communication we have.
1910
01:23:23,461 --> 01:23:26,006
[Stevie indistinct
over loudspeaker]
1911
01:23:28,174 --> 01:23:30,301
Ronnie Reagan
can't hear that, come on.
1912
01:23:30,301 --> 01:23:32,012
[Johnny]
There's a political element
1913
01:23:32,012 --> 01:23:33,513
in rock and roll anyway.
1914
01:23:33,513 --> 01:23:34,806
It is you saying,
1915
01:23:34,806 --> 01:23:36,141
"I'm doing this
1916
01:23:36,141 --> 01:23:37,517
no matter what people think."
1917
01:23:37,517 --> 01:23:39,978
But when he started
to actually do things,
1918
01:23:39,978 --> 01:23:42,814
and say things
about politics,
1919
01:23:42,814 --> 01:23:44,649
he politicized rock and roll.
1920
01:23:44,649 --> 01:23:46,609
We've been quiet too long.
1921
01:23:47,235 --> 01:23:49,404
We've been patient too long.
1922
01:23:53,366 --> 01:23:55,994
We the people
will no longer tolerate
1923
01:23:55,994 --> 01:23:57,454
the terrorism
1924
01:23:57,454 --> 01:24:00,373
of the government
of South Africa.
1925
01:24:00,790 --> 01:24:02,292
Tell 'em, Steve.
1926
01:24:05,211 --> 01:24:06,880
We'll no longer do business
1927
01:24:07,339 --> 01:24:08,590
with those who do business
1928
01:24:08,590 --> 01:24:11,092
with the terrorist government
of South Africa.
1929
01:24:11,092 --> 01:24:13,428
[Chris] The fact he's
partially responsible for
1930
01:24:13,428 --> 01:24:15,347
bringing down a government
is extraordinary.
1931
01:24:15,347 --> 01:24:18,391
I don't know if anybody
talks about that anymore.
1932
01:24:18,767 --> 01:24:21,603
We the people demand
1933
01:24:22,020 --> 01:24:24,856
the unconditional release
of Nelson Mandela.
1934
01:24:24,856 --> 01:24:26,941
[cheering]
1935
01:24:27,692 --> 01:24:31,654
[Bono] We always knew
he had a kind of feistiness.
1936
01:24:32,364 --> 01:24:34,574
The surprise was
how organized he was.
1937
01:24:34,574 --> 01:24:37,619
["Sun City" by Artists
Against Apartheid playing]
1938
01:24:37,619 --> 01:24:39,746
♪ Na-na na-na-na ♪
1939
01:24:39,746 --> 01:24:41,873
♪ Na-na-na yeah ♪
1940
01:24:41,873 --> 01:24:45,001
♪ Yeah yeah yeah ♪
1941
01:24:45,001 --> 01:24:46,961
♪ Na-na na-na-na ♪
1942
01:24:46,961 --> 01:24:49,881
♪ Na-na-na yeah ♪
1943
01:24:49,881 --> 01:24:54,219
[crowd cheering]
1944
01:24:56,054 --> 01:25:00,392
Keep the pressure on!
1945
01:25:00,392 --> 01:25:03,228
And I didn't know about
apartheid, I was 12, 13,
1946
01:25:03,228 --> 01:25:06,272
and I learned about it
because I saw that video.
1947
01:25:07,148 --> 01:25:09,192
There was a bill passed
1948
01:25:09,192 --> 01:25:11,277
um, in the Congress,
1949
01:25:11,277 --> 01:25:13,238
the Anti-Apartheid Act,
1950
01:25:13,238 --> 01:25:15,990
and it was essentially
economic sanctions
1951
01:25:15,990 --> 01:25:17,867
against South Africa,
1952
01:25:17,867 --> 01:25:20,537
until they ended apartheid,
1953
01:25:20,537 --> 01:25:23,039
and it was vetoed
by Ronald Reagan.
1954
01:25:23,039 --> 01:25:24,332
Steve called me,
1955
01:25:24,332 --> 01:25:26,418
and he knew
what the situation was.
1956
01:25:26,418 --> 01:25:28,920
The Congress
was now gonna vote
1957
01:25:28,920 --> 01:25:31,256
to override the veto, or not.
1958
01:25:31,256 --> 01:25:34,050
To override
one of his vetoes was,
1959
01:25:34,050 --> 01:25:36,344
uh, quite a,
quite a challenge.
1960
01:25:36,344 --> 01:25:37,595
He stepped forward, said,
1961
01:25:37,595 --> 01:25:39,431
"I'm gonna be part
of that process,"
1962
01:25:39,431 --> 01:25:42,100
and he came down,
and made persuasive cases
1963
01:25:42,100 --> 01:25:43,435
to a number of senators,
1964
01:25:43,435 --> 01:25:46,479
and it's very impressive
we succeeded.
1965
01:25:46,479 --> 01:25:49,441
We overrode
the president's veto.
1966
01:25:49,858 --> 01:25:52,861
And that was the end.
Once the banks cut them off,
1967
01:25:52,861 --> 01:25:54,821
they had to let
Mandela out of jail.
1968
01:25:57,615 --> 01:26:00,285
[reporter]
There's Mr. Nelson Mandela,
1969
01:26:00,285 --> 01:26:04,039
a free man,
taking his first steps
1970
01:26:04,456 --> 01:26:06,541
into a new South Africa.
1971
01:26:09,085 --> 01:26:11,004
It was the most
thrilling moment of my life.
1972
01:26:11,004 --> 01:26:12,589
Mandela came here.
1973
01:26:12,589 --> 01:26:15,300
There was a whole celebration
for Nelson Mandela
1974
01:26:15,300 --> 01:26:16,885
at the Tribeca Grill.
1975
01:26:16,885 --> 01:26:19,971
So Robert De Niro was there,
like everybody was there.
1976
01:26:19,971 --> 01:26:23,933
Steven is really
the-the, uh...
1977
01:26:24,809 --> 01:26:28,313
the person who started this,
the whole thing here,
1978
01:26:28,313 --> 01:26:30,899
and I thank him,
and we all thank him.
1979
01:26:30,899 --> 01:26:32,942
And we can tell
1980
01:26:33,318 --> 01:26:35,487
the movie companies
we work for
1981
01:26:35,862 --> 01:26:39,157
we do not want our films to be
distributed in South Africa.
1982
01:26:39,157 --> 01:26:40,533
[crowd cheering]
1983
01:26:40,533 --> 01:26:44,621
We can... we can tell
the record companies
1984
01:26:44,621 --> 01:26:46,623
we don't want
our records to be sold.
1985
01:26:46,623 --> 01:26:50,418
We have power, and we
have to take advantage of it.
1986
01:26:50,418 --> 01:26:52,671
Little Steven,
ladies and gentlemen.
1987
01:26:52,671 --> 01:26:54,589
[crowd cheering]
1988
01:26:54,589 --> 01:26:56,633
[applause]
1989
01:26:59,386 --> 01:27:01,346
Ladies and gentlemen,
Deputy President
1990
01:27:01,346 --> 01:27:03,515
of the African
National Congress,
1991
01:27:03,890 --> 01:27:04,933
Nelson Mandela.
1992
01:27:04,933 --> 01:27:06,851
[crowd cheering]
1993
01:27:09,187 --> 01:27:10,563
[Stevie]
I never felt that before.
1994
01:27:10,563 --> 01:27:14,693
You know, like, he had,
like, an aura, you know?
1995
01:27:15,026 --> 01:27:18,780
Of-of a... of spirituality.
1996
01:27:19,489 --> 01:27:22,242
[Kathi] My mother and I got
to meet him. Wonderful man,
1997
01:27:22,242 --> 01:27:25,495
who said, "You must be
very proud of your brother."
1998
01:27:27,455 --> 01:27:29,666
And now I'm gonna cry.
[sniffles]
1999
01:27:29,666 --> 01:27:32,502
[Richie] That's impressive.
Politicians can't do that,
2000
01:27:32,502 --> 01:27:34,045
presidents can't do that.
2001
01:27:34,045 --> 01:27:37,215
But he did pull
all those people together
2002
01:27:37,215 --> 01:27:40,051
and made a change
in the world.
2003
01:27:40,051 --> 01:27:41,636
[Bono] That is the way to go.
2004
01:27:41,636 --> 01:27:44,848
Indeed, years later, that's
exactly the way I went.
2005
01:27:44,848 --> 01:27:49,185
I followed him right down
those marbled halls
2006
01:27:49,185 --> 01:27:51,813
and through those oak doors,
2007
01:27:51,813 --> 01:27:54,065
and made my own case,
2008
01:27:54,065 --> 01:27:56,151
um, against extreme poverty.
2009
01:27:56,151 --> 01:27:57,736
But I followed his example.
2010
01:27:58,111 --> 01:28:00,071
A lot of people,
especially once we did
2011
01:28:00,071 --> 01:28:01,197
the "Sun City" thing,
2012
01:28:01,197 --> 01:28:03,533
you know, started to connect,
2013
01:28:03,533 --> 01:28:06,995
you know, the whole
rock music to politics.
2014
01:28:06,995 --> 01:28:08,496
It was starting
to reach people
2015
01:28:08,496 --> 01:28:10,790
in the way I was
hoping to reach them.
2016
01:28:11,166 --> 01:28:14,169
The song itself
was an irrefutable jam
2017
01:28:14,169 --> 01:28:15,670
that featured perhaps the most
2018
01:28:15,670 --> 01:28:18,006
revolutionary gathering
of musicians
2019
01:28:18,006 --> 01:28:20,050
ever heard on a recording.
2020
01:28:20,050 --> 01:28:21,801
It was an inspired song,
2021
01:28:21,801 --> 01:28:23,261
an inspired video,
2022
01:28:23,261 --> 01:28:25,180
and it inspired American youth
2023
01:28:25,180 --> 01:28:26,931
who were part
of the global movement,
2024
01:28:26,931 --> 01:28:29,976
which eventually pressured
apartheid out of existence.
2025
01:28:29,976 --> 01:28:32,020
For me and most people I know,
2026
01:28:32,020 --> 01:28:33,438
music did that.
2027
01:28:33,438 --> 01:28:35,023
You know, we came up in a time
2028
01:28:35,023 --> 01:28:37,942
of the Live Aid concerts,
the Amnesty International,
2029
01:28:37,942 --> 01:28:40,278
and I know there were
predecessors to that.
2030
01:28:40,278 --> 01:28:43,031
Whether it be George Harrison
or Pete Seeger,
2031
01:28:43,031 --> 01:28:44,532
this was a formative time,
2032
01:28:44,532 --> 01:28:46,659
and it had
a huge impact on me.
2033
01:28:46,659 --> 01:28:48,620
["I'm a Patriot"
by Little Steven playing]
2034
01:28:48,620 --> 01:28:50,455
We got something
going on in America
2035
01:28:50,455 --> 01:28:52,332
that they're calling...
2036
01:28:53,124 --> 01:28:55,043
"New Patriotism," you know?
2037
01:28:56,211 --> 01:28:57,837
But, uh...
2038
01:28:58,588 --> 01:29:01,216
It don't look like
no new patriotism to me.
2039
01:29:01,216 --> 01:29:04,094
It looks like blind
nationalism, you know?
2040
01:29:05,970 --> 01:29:09,432
That ain't right. That ain't
what patriotism is all about.
2041
01:29:09,432 --> 01:29:12,352
My friend had a copy,
on one of those Beta tapes,
2042
01:29:12,352 --> 01:29:14,062
of a performance they did
2043
01:29:14,062 --> 01:29:16,481
on a German show
called Rock Palace.
2044
01:29:17,524 --> 01:29:18,817
And I remember it
2045
01:29:18,817 --> 01:29:21,069
because he did
a great introduction
2046
01:29:21,069 --> 01:29:22,612
to the song "I'm a Patriot,"
2047
01:29:22,612 --> 01:29:26,074
where he talked about
early onset nationalism
2048
01:29:26,074 --> 01:29:27,659
back in the States.
2049
01:29:28,326 --> 01:29:30,286
Being a good patriot
means you question
2050
01:29:30,286 --> 01:29:33,707
every motherfucker
everywhere every time.
2051
01:29:35,875 --> 01:29:37,919
It sure ain't about parties,
you know?
2052
01:29:37,919 --> 01:29:41,131
Loyalty to the party instead
of loyalty to the truth.
2053
01:29:42,674 --> 01:29:46,386
He understands
the need to utilize
2054
01:29:46,386 --> 01:29:49,931
music not just as
a means for escape reality,
2055
01:29:49,931 --> 01:29:53,518
but to document it,
and/or confront it.
2056
01:29:53,518 --> 01:29:55,520
Especially Steven,
at a time when,
2057
01:29:55,520 --> 01:29:58,231
you know, Reagan and all that
stuff was in America,
2058
01:29:58,231 --> 01:30:00,400
like to go to that
direction, it's brave.
2059
01:30:00,400 --> 01:30:03,194
♪ Listen
I ain't no communist ♪
2060
01:30:03,194 --> 01:30:04,487
♪ Yeah ♪
2061
01:30:04,487 --> 01:30:06,322
♪ I ain't no capitalist ♪
2062
01:30:06,322 --> 01:30:07,449
♪ Yeah ♪
2063
01:30:07,449 --> 01:30:08,908
♪ I ain't no socialist ♪
2064
01:30:08,908 --> 01:30:09,951
♪ Yeah ♪
2065
01:30:09,951 --> 01:30:12,037
♪ I sure ain't
No imperialist ♪
2066
01:30:12,037 --> 01:30:13,204
♪ Yeah ♪
2067
01:30:13,204 --> 01:30:14,748
♪ I ain't no Democrat ♪
2068
01:30:14,748 --> 01:30:15,874
♪ Yeah ♪
2069
01:30:15,874 --> 01:30:18,418
♪ I sure ain't no
Fucking Republican ♪
2070
01:30:18,793 --> 01:30:21,212
♪ I only know one party ♪
2071
01:30:21,212 --> 01:30:24,049
♪ Its name is freedom ♪
2072
01:30:24,049 --> 01:30:26,468
♪ Say it, I am ♪
2073
01:30:26,468 --> 01:30:30,221
♪ I am, I am ♪
2074
01:30:30,221 --> 01:30:33,099
♪ I am a patriot ♪
2075
01:30:33,099 --> 01:30:36,728
[Eddie] I used to be part of
little benefits in San Diego,
2076
01:30:36,728 --> 01:30:39,647
I was working a midnight
shift security job,
2077
01:30:39,647 --> 01:30:43,568
and that was one of the songs
that really could connect.
2078
01:30:43,985 --> 01:30:46,821
♪ And the river shall open
For the righteous ♪
2079
01:30:46,821 --> 01:30:49,699
♪ And the river shall open
For the righteous... ♪
2080
01:30:49,699 --> 01:30:52,077
So I kind of
dissected the song
2081
01:30:52,077 --> 01:30:54,662
and made a version of it.
2082
01:30:54,662 --> 01:30:57,415
♪ I was walking ♪
2083
01:30:57,415 --> 01:31:00,168
♪ With my brother ♪
2084
01:31:00,168 --> 01:31:03,129
♪ And he wondered ♪
2085
01:31:03,129 --> 01:31:05,757
♪ Oh, how I am ♪
2086
01:31:05,757 --> 01:31:07,467
I'm gonna leave
you with this song.
2087
01:31:07,467 --> 01:31:09,427
This is about
my favorite song,
2088
01:31:09,427 --> 01:31:10,929
written by Little Steven.
2089
01:31:10,929 --> 01:31:13,598
[Eddie] I think it was '86,
Amnesty International,
2090
01:31:13,598 --> 01:31:16,434
I saw Jackson Browne
play a version,
2091
01:31:16,434 --> 01:31:18,228
and that was really exciting.
2092
01:31:18,228 --> 01:31:20,855
♪ I am a patriot... ♪
2093
01:31:23,483 --> 01:31:26,027
[Jackson] Stevie was
a huge influence on me
2094
01:31:26,027 --> 01:31:28,238
at a time when
I was trying to write
2095
01:31:28,238 --> 01:31:30,240
songs about
what I cared about.
2096
01:31:30,240 --> 01:31:32,492
And that I hadn't
even dared to try
2097
01:31:32,492 --> 01:31:34,536
to talk about it in a song.
2098
01:31:34,536 --> 01:31:37,831
♪ She said, "I want
To run like the lion ♪
2099
01:31:37,831 --> 01:31:40,542
♪ Released
From the cages..." ♪
2100
01:31:40,542 --> 01:31:42,627
I would say that probably
2101
01:31:42,627 --> 01:31:44,629
most people
who come to my concerts
2102
01:31:44,629 --> 01:31:46,297
think that that's my song.
2103
01:31:46,715 --> 01:31:49,300
I take the trouble to tell
them whose song it is.
2104
01:31:49,300 --> 01:31:50,885
I've told him,
I said, "Steve,
2105
01:31:50,885 --> 01:31:54,347
I'm sure a lot of people
think I wrote this, you know."
2106
01:31:54,681 --> 01:31:56,099
Usually, as a writer,
2107
01:31:56,099 --> 01:32:00,020
you're more concerned with
saying too much, you know?
2108
01:32:00,395 --> 01:32:02,439
I was concerned
with not saying enough.
2109
01:32:02,814 --> 01:32:05,817
And Jackson Browne doing
one of your songs is wild,
2110
01:32:05,817 --> 01:32:07,819
and then Eddie Vedder
also would do it.
2111
01:32:07,819 --> 01:32:11,573
Such an endorsement,
you know, such a-such a, uh,
2112
01:32:11,573 --> 01:32:13,283
such a wonderful validation
2113
01:32:13,283 --> 01:32:14,743
of what you're doing,
you know?
2114
01:32:14,743 --> 01:32:16,745
[Eddie]
We still play it this day.
2115
01:32:16,745 --> 01:32:18,913
We've played it fast,
we've played it slow.
2116
01:32:18,913 --> 01:32:21,708
You can take that-that
car of a song,
2117
01:32:21,708 --> 01:32:23,960
get in a demolition derby,
and you will win.
2118
01:32:23,960 --> 01:32:29,549
♪ And the river shall
Open for the righteous ♪
2119
01:32:30,175 --> 01:32:33,136
♪ And the river shall
Open for the righteous ♪
2120
01:32:33,136 --> 01:32:34,429
♪ Someday ♪
2121
01:32:34,429 --> 01:32:36,848
♪ I'm a patriot... ♪
2122
01:32:37,265 --> 01:32:40,852
You know, whatever,
whatever side of the fence,
2123
01:32:40,852 --> 01:32:44,105
or if they're
leaning on it, um...
2124
01:32:44,981 --> 01:32:46,024
it transmits.
2125
01:32:46,024 --> 01:32:47,692
♪ Sanctuary... ♪
2126
01:32:47,692 --> 01:32:52,072
["Sanctuary"
by Little Steven playing]
2127
01:32:53,698 --> 01:32:55,325
♪ Sanctuary... ♪
2128
01:32:59,662 --> 01:33:01,790
[Bruce] His solo records
were just filled
2129
01:33:01,790 --> 01:33:03,917
with in-depth
political thought.
2130
01:33:03,917 --> 01:33:06,586
[Stevie] There's some
kind of adrenaline rush
2131
01:33:06,586 --> 01:33:10,465
that takes place
when you start to realize
2132
01:33:10,465 --> 01:33:12,676
why you're on this planet.
2133
01:33:13,385 --> 01:33:16,763
This combination of artist
and journalist thing
2134
01:33:17,222 --> 01:33:19,265
where I'm going places,
doing research,
2135
01:33:19,265 --> 01:33:22,018
and checking things out,
turning it into stories.
2136
01:33:22,018 --> 01:33:25,021
I'm doing something
that feels important.
2137
01:33:25,021 --> 01:33:28,733
♪ America's on trial... ♪
2138
01:33:28,733 --> 01:33:31,653
I was terrified, because
he went into situations
2139
01:33:31,653 --> 01:33:33,571
that I later found out
2140
01:33:33,571 --> 01:33:36,116
were really, really dangerous.
2141
01:33:36,658 --> 01:33:38,076
I thought, "What happened?"
2142
01:33:38,076 --> 01:33:41,079
You know, I marry
this fun rock and roll guy,
2143
01:33:41,079 --> 01:33:43,206
and we're going
all over the world,
2144
01:33:43,206 --> 01:33:44,666
we're having a great life,
2145
01:33:44,666 --> 01:33:46,918
and all of a sudden,
he's in South Africa
2146
01:33:46,918 --> 01:33:48,086
being smuggled
2147
01:33:48,086 --> 01:33:50,588
into some dangerous area
under a blanket.
2148
01:33:50,588 --> 01:33:51,840
I didn't know that then.
2149
01:33:51,840 --> 01:33:54,259
While I admired
what he was doing,
2150
01:33:54,259 --> 01:33:56,094
I think I really resented it,
2151
01:33:56,094 --> 01:33:58,763
because I felt it was putting
everything at risk.
2152
01:33:58,763 --> 01:34:01,599
His life, our relationship,
2153
01:34:01,599 --> 01:34:03,560
even his musical life.
2154
01:34:03,560 --> 01:34:06,438
Out of all the disturbing...
2155
01:34:06,438 --> 01:34:10,066
situations around
the world, um...
2156
01:34:10,817 --> 01:34:13,570
the single most disturbing
was right here,
2157
01:34:13,987 --> 01:34:16,031
with the treatment
of Native Americans.
2158
01:34:16,031 --> 01:34:20,368
["Trail of Broken Treaties"
by Little Steven playing]
2159
01:34:20,368 --> 01:34:24,497
♪ Love's been sacrificed ♪
2160
01:34:24,497 --> 01:34:26,791
♪ Promises buried beneath ♪
2161
01:34:26,791 --> 01:34:30,378
♪ The trail
Of broken treaties ♪
2162
01:34:35,884 --> 01:34:37,802
We celebrated 200 years...
2163
01:34:38,219 --> 01:34:40,096
of our Constitution
the other day.
2164
01:34:40,096 --> 01:34:42,599
That's something we should
be happy about,
2165
01:34:43,141 --> 01:34:46,227
but until we start honoring
Indian treaties,
2166
01:34:46,227 --> 01:34:48,229
the Constitution is a lie.
2167
01:34:48,521 --> 01:34:53,568
♪ Sing it, I ♪
2168
01:34:53,568 --> 01:35:00,325
♪ I am Native American... ♪
2169
01:35:00,325 --> 01:35:02,827
[Stevie] On the Freedom -
No Compromise album,
2170
01:35:02,827 --> 01:35:04,954
the concept was the state.
2171
01:35:04,954 --> 01:35:08,083
Uh, I decided
to do three sub-themes.
2172
01:35:08,083 --> 01:35:10,210
There's South Africa,
Native America,
2173
01:35:10,210 --> 01:35:12,003
and Latin America.
2174
01:35:13,004 --> 01:35:15,006
[man] Stevie was
like a bow and arrow,
2175
01:35:15,006 --> 01:35:17,884
a very well dressed,
you know, archer,
2176
01:35:18,343 --> 01:35:21,805
and was shooting those arrows
exactly where he aimed them.
2177
01:35:21,805 --> 01:35:24,182
Now, if they
hit the right target,
2178
01:35:24,182 --> 01:35:26,768
you're in trouble.
He shook people up.
2179
01:35:26,768 --> 01:35:28,144
If you have that in you,
2180
01:35:28,144 --> 01:35:30,772
you were a threat
to corporate structures.
2181
01:35:34,150 --> 01:35:37,862
[Jay] He's such
a galvanic humanist,
2182
01:35:38,446 --> 01:35:40,240
that you kind of
have to make
2183
01:35:40,240 --> 01:35:43,159
that kind of progression
into politics.
2184
01:35:43,159 --> 01:35:45,954
It was political,
but it was more
2185
01:35:45,954 --> 01:35:48,748
generally humanistic
than that.
2186
01:35:48,748 --> 01:35:51,376
No party line, all compassion,
2187
01:35:51,376 --> 01:35:52,794
all empathy.
2188
01:35:57,382 --> 01:35:59,134
[Jackson]
I went to Nicaragua once,
2189
01:35:59,134 --> 01:36:00,885
and then Steve
decided to come.
2190
01:36:00,885 --> 01:36:02,929
I mean, he was
amazing on this trip.
2191
01:36:02,929 --> 01:36:06,141
He brought nothing but, like,
Gatorade and Marlboros.
2192
01:36:06,141 --> 01:36:09,894
And here's this guy
who is so well-read,
2193
01:36:09,894 --> 01:36:11,730
and so politically astute,
2194
01:36:11,730 --> 01:36:14,733
but dressed like, you know,
like a rock and roll,
2195
01:36:14,733 --> 01:36:17,652
you know, like
a dervish or a pirate.
2196
01:36:18,153 --> 01:36:21,698
♪ Someday we'll reap
What we have sown ♪
2197
01:36:21,698 --> 01:36:25,577
♪ I don't look east
I don't look west ♪
2198
01:36:26,036 --> 01:36:29,205
♪ I don't understand
Their accents ♪
2199
01:36:29,706 --> 01:36:35,211
♪ I will gather no more
Of your bitter fruit... ♪
2200
01:36:35,211 --> 01:36:38,506
[Rubén] What Stevie
did meant something.
2201
01:36:38,506 --> 01:36:40,050
This particular song
2202
01:36:40,050 --> 01:36:43,178
had to do with an injustice,
2203
01:36:43,178 --> 01:36:46,431
and that's a good thing that
Stevie is teaching people.
2204
01:36:46,681 --> 01:36:48,808
They don't know
these stories,
2205
01:36:49,476 --> 01:36:52,520
and it was built
with integrity.
2206
01:36:53,063 --> 01:36:55,482
[MC] I have the honor
and the privilege
2207
01:36:55,940 --> 01:36:57,734
to introduce somebody
2208
01:36:57,734 --> 01:37:01,821
who is not only
one of the greatest forces
2209
01:37:01,821 --> 01:37:04,449
in rock and roll
on this planet,
2210
01:37:04,449 --> 01:37:06,451
but one of the greatest forces
2211
01:37:06,451 --> 01:37:08,995
for justice and human rights
on this planet,
2212
01:37:08,995 --> 01:37:10,830
and that's Little Steven!
2213
01:37:17,879 --> 01:37:19,297
[Stevie] The whole '80s
for me,
2214
01:37:19,297 --> 01:37:21,800
I was completely
obsessed with politics,
2215
01:37:21,800 --> 01:37:24,302
against all rational
thought, you know,
2216
01:37:24,302 --> 01:37:26,680
beginning with leaving
the E Street Band.
2217
01:37:27,097 --> 01:37:28,765
But it was more than that.
2218
01:37:29,224 --> 01:37:30,975
Every album had
a different theme,
2219
01:37:30,975 --> 01:37:33,269
a different soundtrack,
2220
01:37:33,269 --> 01:37:37,148
which was part of my,
uh, problem commercially,
2221
01:37:37,148 --> 01:37:41,236
and part of my
artistic, uh, success.
2222
01:37:41,236 --> 01:37:43,905
♪ Keep the people divided ♪
2223
01:37:43,905 --> 01:37:46,157
♪ Keep the energy spent ♪
2224
01:37:46,157 --> 01:37:48,326
♪ Keep the people divided ♪
2225
01:37:48,326 --> 01:37:50,787
♪ So they don't think
About the government ♪
2226
01:37:50,787 --> 01:37:53,665
♪ Look at all
The pretty children ♪
2227
01:37:53,665 --> 01:37:55,875
♪ They all look the same ♪
2228
01:37:55,875 --> 01:37:58,169
♪ They don't want
Your anger ♪
2229
01:37:58,169 --> 01:38:00,505
♪ They don't
Share your pain... ♪
2230
01:38:00,755 --> 01:38:02,340
[Stevie]
I'm writing this in 1989.
2231
01:38:02,340 --> 01:38:05,760
The alienation between
the workforce and labor
2232
01:38:05,760 --> 01:38:08,346
started to now
become contagious,
2233
01:38:08,346 --> 01:38:10,181
and I thought
the alienation had now
2234
01:38:10,181 --> 01:38:12,183
moved into the institutions.
2235
01:38:12,183 --> 01:38:14,894
No longer trusted the Church,
the government,
2236
01:38:14,894 --> 01:38:16,396
no longer trusted
our schools,
2237
01:38:16,396 --> 01:38:19,315
and as now,
spreading to the alienation
2238
01:38:19,315 --> 01:38:22,318
from our very life support
systems, the environment.
2239
01:38:22,318 --> 01:38:25,238
It's a bit more powerful,
more beefy with the sounds
2240
01:38:25,238 --> 01:38:27,657
than a typical
dance record, but, um,
2241
01:38:27,657 --> 01:38:29,534
it wasn't anything
to do with rock.
2242
01:38:29,534 --> 01:38:31,536
Anyway, uh, that, that...
2243
01:38:31,536 --> 01:38:33,204
uh, confused people
2244
01:38:33,204 --> 01:38:36,207
pretty, pretty, uh, consistently.
2245
01:38:36,708 --> 01:38:39,544
He had the most
resolute agenda.
2246
01:38:39,544 --> 01:38:40,962
He had it kind of mapped out
2247
01:38:40,962 --> 01:38:43,006
where he was gonna go
with these songs,
2248
01:38:43,006 --> 01:38:45,300
three or four albums deep,
2249
01:38:45,300 --> 01:38:48,261
because he is nothing
less than revolutionary.
2250
01:38:48,845 --> 01:38:51,139
This is for, uh, Leonard...
2251
01:38:51,598 --> 01:38:53,475
in Leavenworth Prison.
2252
01:38:54,100 --> 01:38:56,644
I was focused on
the international situation.
2253
01:38:57,395 --> 01:38:59,189
But of course,
as it turns out,
2254
01:38:59,189 --> 01:39:02,734
in a way, the Native American
situation is international,
2255
01:39:02,734 --> 01:39:05,570
because they are
sovereign nations.
2256
01:39:06,237 --> 01:39:08,656
[Jackson] I read
In the Spirit of Crazy Horse.
2257
01:39:08,656 --> 01:39:09,991
It was very striking to me
2258
01:39:09,991 --> 01:39:11,743
that Steven would
write this song,
2259
01:39:11,743 --> 01:39:13,244
"Justice for Leonard Peltier,"
2260
01:39:13,244 --> 01:39:15,789
and try to give him
the kind of attention
2261
01:39:15,789 --> 01:39:17,332
and regard that he did.
2262
01:39:17,332 --> 01:39:20,335
♪ He should say
What he wants to say ♪
2263
01:39:20,877 --> 01:39:23,672
♪ It's time we listen ♪
2264
01:39:24,255 --> 01:39:27,217
♪ He should pray
Where he wants to pray ♪
2265
01:39:27,217 --> 01:39:30,553
♪ Without asking permission ♪
2266
01:39:30,553 --> 01:39:32,263
♪ Leonard Peltier ♪
2267
01:39:32,263 --> 01:39:34,307
[Maureen] Everything
that he's gone after
2268
01:39:34,307 --> 01:39:37,227
has been a really noble
or meaningful thing,
2269
01:39:37,227 --> 01:39:41,272
so in the end, how could
you not support that?
2270
01:39:41,272 --> 01:39:43,358
It might scare you,
make you upset,
2271
01:39:43,358 --> 01:39:46,236
but you cannot say,
"You shouldn't do this."
2272
01:39:46,236 --> 01:39:48,446
We dedicate this show today
2273
01:39:48,947 --> 01:39:50,782
to the students in China.
2274
01:39:51,658 --> 01:39:53,576
Solidarity with them.
2275
01:39:53,576 --> 01:39:54,994
[crowd cheering]
2276
01:39:54,994 --> 01:39:56,663
[Stevie] Finally, I peaked,
2277
01:39:56,663 --> 01:39:59,082
you know, in Rome, 1989.
2278
01:39:59,457 --> 01:40:02,293
We did a concert
for Tiananmen Square.
2279
01:40:02,293 --> 01:40:05,046
I couldn't see the end
of the crowd, like Woodstock.
2280
01:40:05,046 --> 01:40:08,008
This is where my political
trip has been leading,
2281
01:40:08,425 --> 01:40:09,592
and I realized
2282
01:40:10,135 --> 01:40:11,761
I don't wanna
be a politician.
2283
01:40:12,303 --> 01:40:13,763
I said what I wanted to say,
2284
01:40:13,763 --> 01:40:15,515
learned what
I wanted to learn.
2285
01:40:15,515 --> 01:40:17,600
I said, "Man, that's it.
2286
01:40:18,184 --> 01:40:20,103
I'm done. I'm done."
2287
01:40:20,103 --> 01:40:23,148
["Saint Francis"
by Little Steven playing]
2288
01:40:45,170 --> 01:40:48,048
♪ The war stopped
For a moment ♪
2289
01:40:48,048 --> 01:40:51,634
♪ We held our breaths,
My brothers and I ♪
2290
01:40:51,634 --> 01:40:54,346
♪ The poisoned sky
Stopped crying ♪
2291
01:40:54,346 --> 01:40:57,349
♪ The red sun tried to shine ♪
2292
01:40:57,349 --> 01:41:00,352
♪ We looked down
From the mountain top ♪
2293
01:41:00,352 --> 01:41:03,855
♪ And felt so alone ♪
2294
01:41:03,855 --> 01:41:06,358
♪ This once was paradise ♪
2295
01:41:06,358 --> 01:41:10,403
♪ This wasteland
Once was home ♪
2296
01:41:13,281 --> 01:41:16,242
♪ Oh... ♪
2297
01:41:21,706 --> 01:41:24,876
[Stevie] I had a trip planned
for my next album,
2298
01:41:24,876 --> 01:41:26,461
to do research in Algeria,
2299
01:41:26,461 --> 01:41:28,380
and so I came home from that,
2300
01:41:28,380 --> 01:41:31,383
I recorded my fifth album,
Born Again Savage,
2301
01:41:31,383 --> 01:41:33,718
but I wasn't
gonna tour with it.
2302
01:41:34,594 --> 01:41:36,930
No record company
wanted to sign me anymore.
2303
01:41:36,930 --> 01:41:38,390
I was done.
2304
01:41:51,403 --> 01:41:54,781
[Jay] The weight, I think,
began to put the brakes
2305
01:41:54,781 --> 01:41:57,200
on Steve's freedom
2306
01:41:57,200 --> 01:41:59,744
to let his imagination
go where he wanted.
2307
01:41:59,744 --> 01:42:02,706
And the outlets seemed
like they had been
2308
01:42:02,706 --> 01:42:04,582
turned off like water taps.
2309
01:42:04,582 --> 01:42:06,918
[Stevie] I was
spiritually exhausted,
2310
01:42:06,918 --> 01:42:08,753
mentally, physically.
2311
01:42:09,254 --> 01:42:12,090
I went out to the wilderness,
man, you know?
2312
01:42:12,090 --> 01:42:13,800
And walked my dog
for seven years.
2313
01:42:13,800 --> 01:42:18,555
["Inside of me (French TV)"
by Little Steven playing]
2314
01:42:19,639 --> 01:42:24,269
♪ Don't ever say
it was all in vain ♪
2315
01:42:26,604 --> 01:42:28,273
♪ Yeah, don't tell me... ♪
2316
01:42:28,273 --> 01:42:30,650
[Stevie] So there I was, uh...
2317
01:42:31,109 --> 01:42:34,612
no more record deal,
no more job opportunities,
2318
01:42:34,612 --> 01:42:35,989
no more offers, really,
2319
01:42:35,989 --> 01:42:38,825
and, uh, no particular
ambition either.
2320
01:42:39,242 --> 01:42:42,579
♪ Yeah, I know
It still remains ♪
2321
01:42:42,579 --> 01:42:45,457
♪ Because
I'm still the same... ♪
2322
01:42:45,457 --> 01:42:48,376
Certainly, it mystified me,
2323
01:42:48,376 --> 01:42:51,755
why someone of his caliber
2324
01:42:52,255 --> 01:42:55,050
would have trouble
getting record deals,
2325
01:42:55,050 --> 01:42:56,134
or holding onto one,
2326
01:42:56,134 --> 01:42:58,928
but knowing what I do
2327
01:42:58,928 --> 01:43:00,805
about record companies,
2328
01:43:01,556 --> 01:43:04,726
you know, it was...
it wasn't hard to see why.
2329
01:43:06,519 --> 01:43:08,938
[Rubén]
The idea of writing directly,
2330
01:43:08,938 --> 01:43:10,899
addressing directly an issue,
2331
01:43:10,899 --> 01:43:13,860
is not commercially kosher.
2332
01:43:13,860 --> 01:43:16,363
Promoters don't
wanna hire you.
2333
01:43:16,363 --> 01:43:18,448
The radios will not play you.
2334
01:43:18,448 --> 01:43:19,949
When you're
dealing with issues
2335
01:43:19,949 --> 01:43:23,995
that have to do with feeding
yourself and your family,
2336
01:43:24,412 --> 01:43:25,538
then the question is
2337
01:43:25,538 --> 01:43:28,458
how far are you willing to go
2338
01:43:29,167 --> 01:43:30,919
to support your idea?
2339
01:43:30,919 --> 01:43:33,088
You could feed
people in Africa,
2340
01:43:33,088 --> 01:43:34,339
they're okay with that,
2341
01:43:34,339 --> 01:43:36,257
but start bringing down
governments,
2342
01:43:36,257 --> 01:43:38,301
they start getting
a little nervous.
2343
01:43:38,301 --> 01:43:40,804
You know, like, uh...
2344
01:43:40,804 --> 01:43:43,014
"Maybe we're next," you know?
2345
01:43:43,014 --> 01:43:45,850
[speaking Italian]
2346
01:43:51,356 --> 01:43:54,401
[speaking Italian]
2347
01:43:55,610 --> 01:43:59,322
[grandmother speaking Italian]
2348
01:44:01,157 --> 01:44:04,577
[Stevie speaking Italian]
2349
01:44:08,039 --> 01:44:10,792
I met him at a time
when he was
2350
01:44:10,792 --> 01:44:13,169
not having success.
2351
01:44:13,545 --> 01:44:16,089
He couldn't get good music
2352
01:44:16,089 --> 01:44:18,383
released by anybody.
2353
01:44:19,384 --> 01:44:21,261
[Gabriel]
Painful as it is, you know,
2354
01:44:21,261 --> 01:44:22,929
I think it's a quite
good experience
2355
01:44:22,929 --> 01:44:24,347
for artists, you know.
2356
01:44:24,347 --> 01:44:26,474
You learn more
from failures in life
2357
01:44:26,474 --> 01:44:28,393
than you do from
successes, I think.
2358
01:44:28,393 --> 01:44:29,811
They're better teachers.
2359
01:44:29,811 --> 01:44:32,230
[Zoe] Bruce had disbanded
the E Street Band,
2360
01:44:32,230 --> 01:44:34,482
and was moving on
to other things.
2361
01:44:34,482 --> 01:44:37,527
During the time that Bruce
had disbanded the band,
2362
01:44:37,527 --> 01:44:40,363
was also a time
for reflection for Steven.
2363
01:44:40,363 --> 01:44:43,408
I thought about being
a professional producer.
2364
01:44:43,408 --> 01:44:46,161
You know, I liked
producing records,
2365
01:44:46,161 --> 01:44:48,496
but I only did it
for my friends, really.
2366
01:44:48,496 --> 01:44:50,290
I ended up producing
a couple records.
2367
01:44:50,290 --> 01:44:51,875
I did the Arc Angels,
and, uh,
2368
01:44:51,875 --> 01:44:55,170
a Nigerian cat named
Majek Fashek, Lone Justice,
2369
01:44:55,170 --> 01:44:56,671
and then I did
a reunion record
2370
01:44:56,671 --> 01:44:59,549
with Southside Johnny
& the Asbury Jukes.
2371
01:44:59,549 --> 01:45:02,302
♪ It's been a long time ♪
2372
01:45:02,302 --> 01:45:04,429
♪ Since we've
Laughed together ♪
2373
01:45:04,429 --> 01:45:08,433
♪ It's been a long time
Since we cried... ♪
2374
01:45:08,433 --> 01:45:10,560
[reporter]
Greetings from Asbury Park.
2375
01:45:10,560 --> 01:45:12,645
On the stage
of the fabled Stone Pony,
2376
01:45:12,645 --> 01:45:15,398
the three guys who put
the place on the rock map,
2377
01:45:15,398 --> 01:45:17,984
Little Steven Van Zandt,
Bruce Springsteen,
2378
01:45:17,984 --> 01:45:19,611
and Southside Johnny Lyon.
2379
01:45:19,611 --> 01:45:21,279
[Johnny]
It felt like we should
2380
01:45:21,279 --> 01:45:22,614
be working together again.
2381
01:45:22,614 --> 01:45:25,116
We laugh, have fun,
tell lots of stories,
2382
01:45:25,116 --> 01:45:27,118
we had-we listened
to a lot of music.
2383
01:45:27,118 --> 01:45:28,536
We sat down and wrote things,
2384
01:45:28,536 --> 01:45:31,122
it felt like it did
when we first started out.
2385
01:45:31,122 --> 01:45:32,540
[reporter] The forthcoming LP
2386
01:45:32,540 --> 01:45:34,959
by Southside Johnny
& the Asbury Jukes,
2387
01:45:34,959 --> 01:45:36,461
entitled Better Days,
2388
01:45:36,461 --> 01:45:38,129
resurrects the horn-enriched sound
2389
01:45:38,129 --> 01:45:41,257
that was a musical trademark
of the band in the late '70s.
2390
01:45:41,257 --> 01:45:43,510
The album is produced
and arranged
2391
01:45:43,510 --> 01:45:46,388
by former Juke and good
friend, Little Steven.
2392
01:45:46,388 --> 01:45:50,141
I just try to keep it human,
and simple, and...
2393
01:45:51,184 --> 01:45:52,644
live as possible.
2394
01:45:52,644 --> 01:45:54,979
That's the way we always
did it, the way I still do.
2395
01:45:54,979 --> 01:45:57,649
I haven't really changed
since I started, really.
2396
01:45:57,649 --> 01:45:59,359
Do the same
thing long enough,
2397
01:45:59,359 --> 01:46:02,862
eventually it becomes
fashionable. [chuckling]
2398
01:46:02,862 --> 01:46:05,740
[Johnny] I don't remember it
was any much that different,
2399
01:46:05,740 --> 01:46:08,326
but when we got into
the studio for Better Days,
2400
01:46:08,326 --> 01:46:10,328
we both were relaxed enough
2401
01:46:10,328 --> 01:46:12,872
that we could let things
happen, it was great.
2402
01:46:13,873 --> 01:46:16,459
[Bruce] You go back to Asbury,
there's Southside,
2403
01:46:16,459 --> 01:46:18,336
there's Steve, there's me.
2404
01:46:18,336 --> 01:46:19,546
Just those three guys.
2405
01:46:19,546 --> 01:46:21,006
That's not gonna
happen again.
2406
01:46:21,006 --> 01:46:23,341
Those are the people
you were there with.
2407
01:46:23,341 --> 01:46:25,343
Those times are gone,
2408
01:46:25,760 --> 01:46:28,263
but those feelings,
the feeling remains.
2409
01:46:28,263 --> 01:46:30,181
[chuckles] The soul,
2410
01:46:30,181 --> 01:46:33,810
and the love,
and the feelings,
2411
01:46:34,394 --> 01:46:36,855
we still keep
a great faith with.
2412
01:46:37,230 --> 01:46:39,065
♪ We lived in a time ♪
2413
01:46:39,065 --> 01:46:41,234
♪ In a world of our own ♪
2414
01:46:41,776 --> 01:46:45,739
♪ Making up the rules
As we went along ♪
2415
01:46:45,739 --> 01:46:47,782
♪ Just one coat between us ♪
2416
01:46:47,782 --> 01:46:50,368
♪ And we never felt cold ♪
2417
01:46:50,368 --> 01:46:54,289
♪ We were never
Gonna get old ♪
2418
01:46:54,873 --> 01:46:56,750
♪ It's been a long time ♪
2419
01:46:56,750 --> 01:46:59,210
♪ Since we laughed together ♪
2420
01:46:59,627 --> 01:47:03,673
♪ It's been a long time
Since we cried... ♪
2421
01:47:03,673 --> 01:47:06,217
[Stevie] Luckily, Lance Freed,
2422
01:47:06,217 --> 01:47:08,261
a music publisher
who happened to be
2423
01:47:08,261 --> 01:47:11,222
the son of the legendary
DJ Alan Freed,
2424
01:47:11,222 --> 01:47:12,932
heard the Southside
Johnny album.
2425
01:47:12,932 --> 01:47:15,852
Said, "I haven't heard writing
like this in a long time,"
2426
01:47:15,852 --> 01:47:18,521
and offered me
a publishing deal,
2427
01:47:18,521 --> 01:47:20,315
which saved my life.
2428
01:47:20,732 --> 01:47:24,235
There were decades of success
2429
01:47:24,235 --> 01:47:25,695
in the past.
2430
01:47:25,695 --> 01:47:29,074
I didn't feel
that his-his writing
2431
01:47:29,074 --> 01:47:30,950
had-had diminished at all.
2432
01:47:30,950 --> 01:47:34,412
I felt like it was every bit
as good as it had ever been.
2433
01:47:34,412 --> 01:47:38,625
And eventually, you know,
things come around.
2434
01:47:39,250 --> 01:47:40,752
At the time it was
a lot of money,
2435
01:47:40,752 --> 01:47:42,671
and paid my bills for years.
2436
01:47:42,671 --> 01:47:44,506
Lance, if you're out there,
2437
01:47:44,506 --> 01:47:45,924
I love you, baby.
2438
01:47:45,924 --> 01:47:50,845
["All Alone on Christmas"
by Darlene Love playing]
2439
01:47:55,225 --> 01:47:58,436
My relationship with Steven
started with Home Alone 2.
2440
01:47:58,436 --> 01:48:00,730
We were looking for a song
2441
01:48:00,730 --> 01:48:03,233
that would cover a montage.
2442
01:48:03,233 --> 01:48:04,901
I said, "Let's think
about this.
2443
01:48:04,901 --> 01:48:07,737
What you need to do
is call Stevie Van Zandt."
2444
01:48:07,737 --> 01:48:09,614
♪ The cold wind's blowing ♪
2445
01:48:09,614 --> 01:48:11,616
♪ And the streets
Are getting dark ♪
2446
01:48:11,616 --> 01:48:13,785
♪ I'm writing you a letter ♪
2447
01:48:13,785 --> 01:48:15,787
♪ And I don't know
Where to start ♪
2448
01:48:15,787 --> 01:48:17,497
♪ The bells will be ringing ♪
2449
01:48:17,497 --> 01:48:19,666
♪ Saint John, the Divine ♪
2450
01:48:19,666 --> 01:48:21,376
♪ I get a little lonely ♪
2451
01:48:21,376 --> 01:48:23,378
♪ Every year
Around this time... ♪
2452
01:48:23,378 --> 01:48:26,589
[Chris] I said, "I don't know
what the song exactly is,
2453
01:48:26,589 --> 01:48:28,883
but it has to feel
like some of the stuff
2454
01:48:28,883 --> 01:48:32,303
you had just done on
the latest Southside album,"
2455
01:48:32,303 --> 01:48:33,805
which was Better Days.
2456
01:48:33,805 --> 01:48:36,266
Steve says, "I'm gonna
get the E Street Band
2457
01:48:36,266 --> 01:48:38,226
to come in to be
backing musicians."
2458
01:48:38,226 --> 01:48:40,520
Wow! Okay, all right.
2459
01:48:40,520 --> 01:48:43,064
I'm coming to that recording
session. [chuckling]
2460
01:48:43,064 --> 01:48:46,693
And I thought, "My world
has finally connected
2461
01:48:46,693 --> 01:48:48,862
with my dream world."
2462
01:48:48,862 --> 01:48:50,822
I think Steven,
with that particular song,
2463
01:48:50,822 --> 01:48:53,783
wrote one of the great
Christmas songs.
2464
01:48:53,783 --> 01:48:57,203
In my mind, I felt that
if there was ever a situation
2465
01:48:57,203 --> 01:48:59,581
where I needed
a song in a film,
2466
01:48:59,581 --> 01:49:00,915
I would call Steven.
2467
01:49:00,915 --> 01:49:05,920
♪ This is the time
Of your life ♪
2468
01:49:06,504 --> 01:49:08,965
♪ Whatcha gonna do with it ♪
2469
01:49:09,966 --> 01:49:12,844
♪ Don't fool with it... ♪
2470
01:49:12,844 --> 01:49:14,763
[Chris] I needed a song
for the end credits
2471
01:49:14,763 --> 01:49:17,557
that celebrated
the way I was feeling
2472
01:49:17,557 --> 01:49:19,851
about being a young father
for the first time,
2473
01:49:19,851 --> 01:49:22,854
and he comes back
with "Time of Your Life."
2474
01:49:23,521 --> 01:49:26,024
♪ Don't think
About the future ♪
2475
01:49:26,024 --> 01:49:29,861
♪ Don't think
About the past ♪
2476
01:49:29,861 --> 01:49:32,614
♪ There's just this moment ♪
2477
01:49:32,614 --> 01:49:36,451
♪ You better
Make it last... ♪
2478
01:49:36,451 --> 01:49:39,204
[Chris] It's an intensely
personal song.
2479
01:49:39,204 --> 01:49:40,538
I don't really...
2480
01:49:40,538 --> 01:49:43,041
think he's written a song
quite like it since.
2481
01:49:43,041 --> 01:49:45,710
Well, most people
who get into a band,
2482
01:49:45,710 --> 01:49:48,421
you don't do it
to-to win accolades.
2483
01:49:48,421 --> 01:49:49,964
You do it because
you love music,
2484
01:49:49,964 --> 01:49:51,883
you wanna be
on stage and share it.
2485
01:49:51,883 --> 01:49:53,885
Gold records, winning awards,
2486
01:49:53,885 --> 01:49:56,971
those things definitely
are meaningful,
2487
01:49:56,971 --> 01:49:59,808
but they're definitely
not the reason you do it.
2488
01:49:59,808 --> 01:50:02,102
♪ Whatcha gonna do with it ♪
2489
01:50:04,562 --> 01:50:07,232
[crowd cheering]
2490
01:50:08,733 --> 01:50:10,819
[Kempner] He was trying
to get the Rascals
2491
01:50:10,819 --> 01:50:12,070
up and running again,
2492
01:50:12,070 --> 01:50:14,614
and they had been
feuding for decades,
2493
01:50:14,614 --> 01:50:17,242
and they were a personal
favorite of Stevie's.
2494
01:50:17,242 --> 01:50:19,953
And to induct them
into the Hall of Fame,
2495
01:50:19,953 --> 01:50:22,747
he came out wearing those
outfits they used to wear
2496
01:50:22,747 --> 01:50:26,334
in the very beginning,
like little schoolboy outfits.
2497
01:50:26,710 --> 01:50:28,712
Some people
may not realize it,
2498
01:50:28,712 --> 01:50:32,590
but the Rascals were the first
rock band in the world.
2499
01:50:32,590 --> 01:50:34,926
[audience cheers]
2500
01:50:34,926 --> 01:50:39,055
In the center of the universe,
New Jersey,
2501
01:50:39,055 --> 01:50:41,433
the Rascals
were the first band.
2502
01:50:41,891 --> 01:50:44,561
[Wolf] And who knew
that sitting in New Jersey,
2503
01:50:44,561 --> 01:50:47,772
watching on TV,
was this guy David Chase,
2504
01:50:48,481 --> 01:50:52,485
saying, "You know, that guy
2505
01:50:53,069 --> 01:50:55,655
could be good
for my new TV show."
2506
01:50:56,072 --> 01:50:59,451
You know, their stage garb
was a little, uh, bizarre.
2507
01:50:59,451 --> 01:51:01,536
Uh, what I'm trying to say
2508
01:51:01,536 --> 01:51:03,872
is people think
they dress funny.
2509
01:51:04,789 --> 01:51:06,750
Now, this is a subject
I know something about.
2510
01:51:06,750 --> 01:51:09,169
[audience laughing]
2511
01:51:09,961 --> 01:51:12,297
And I just, you know,
for the record tonight,
2512
01:51:12,297 --> 01:51:15,967
I wanna say that there was
absolutely nothing
2513
01:51:16,259 --> 01:51:19,262
unusual about the way
the Rascals dressed.
2514
01:51:22,140 --> 01:51:23,308
I...
2515
01:51:23,308 --> 01:51:25,769
[audience cheering]
2516
01:51:29,022 --> 01:51:30,732
Nothing strange about that.
2517
01:51:31,149 --> 01:51:33,276
[man] I used to buy
Springsteen albums,
2518
01:51:33,276 --> 01:51:34,527
back to the days of vinyl.
2519
01:51:34,527 --> 01:51:36,363
I used to read the album
over and over,
2520
01:51:36,363 --> 01:51:37,405
stare at it.
2521
01:51:37,405 --> 01:51:38,823
And I saw this guy,
2522
01:51:38,823 --> 01:51:40,158
every album, there he was.
2523
01:51:40,158 --> 01:51:42,660
And he looked Italian to me.
I'm Italian.
2524
01:51:42,660 --> 01:51:46,998
So you know,
it-it pricked my attention.
2525
01:51:47,332 --> 01:51:48,667
And he was very funny,
2526
01:51:48,667 --> 01:51:51,127
glued me to the TV,
just really charismatic,
2527
01:51:51,127 --> 01:51:53,630
and I said, "That guy's
gotta be in the show."
2528
01:51:53,630 --> 01:51:55,674
[Lance] We were
having dinner one night,
2529
01:51:55,674 --> 01:51:58,677
he goes, "You know,
this guy, David Chase,
2530
01:51:58,677 --> 01:52:00,136
he saw me speak
2531
01:52:00,136 --> 01:52:02,847
at the Rock and Roll
Hall of Fame induction dinner,
2532
01:52:02,847 --> 01:52:06,476
and he wants me
to try a part for HBO."
2533
01:52:06,976 --> 01:52:09,646
And I said, "Steven,
you can't fucking do that.
2534
01:52:10,105 --> 01:52:12,315
You can't be in television.
2535
01:52:12,315 --> 01:52:15,151
I mean,
think of Donny & Marie.
2536
01:52:15,151 --> 01:52:17,570
Are you
the Partridge Family? No.
2537
01:52:17,570 --> 01:52:19,030
You're Stevie Van Zandt,
2538
01:52:19,030 --> 01:52:21,658
you're a fucking
rock and roll idol.
2539
01:52:21,658 --> 01:52:23,034
You can't do this.
2540
01:52:23,034 --> 01:52:25,453
You're gonna
ruin everything."
2541
01:52:25,453 --> 01:52:28,707
And he goes,
"Well, I'm also broke."
2542
01:52:28,707 --> 01:52:31,793
["Affection"
by The Lost Boys playing]
2543
01:52:52,063 --> 01:52:55,734
Steven goes, "I did
this pilot for this TV show,
2544
01:52:55,734 --> 01:52:58,987
about a Mob family
in New Jersey,
2545
01:52:58,987 --> 01:53:00,613
I don't know if it's
the right thing."
2546
01:53:00,613 --> 01:53:02,157
I said, "What do you mean?"
2547
01:53:02,157 --> 01:53:04,826
He goes, "Rock 'n' rollers
shouldn't be on TV."
2548
01:53:04,826 --> 01:53:08,830
I said, "Well, look, Steven,
TV has no memory."
2549
01:53:09,205 --> 01:53:11,750
He goes, "What do you mean,
has no memory?"
2550
01:53:11,750 --> 01:53:14,085
I said, "Do you know
2551
01:53:14,085 --> 01:53:18,256
that Henry Fonda
had a TV series?"
2552
01:53:18,256 --> 01:53:20,592
[theme music plays]
2553
01:53:20,592 --> 01:53:22,844
He goes, "He did?"
2554
01:53:23,303 --> 01:53:24,387
I said, "Yeah.
2555
01:53:24,387 --> 01:53:26,765
Do you know Jimmy Stewart
had a TV series?"
2556
01:53:26,765 --> 01:53:29,392
[theme music plays]
2557
01:53:29,392 --> 01:53:31,269
He goes, "He did?"
2558
01:53:31,269 --> 01:53:32,937
I says, "Yeah."
2559
01:53:32,937 --> 01:53:35,982
He said, "I don't remember."
I said, "That's my point.
2560
01:53:35,982 --> 01:53:39,110
If the thing is great, great.
2561
01:53:39,110 --> 01:53:41,905
If the thing is bad,
they'll forget about it."
2562
01:53:41,905 --> 01:53:43,531
If he's right, he's right.
2563
01:53:44,074 --> 01:53:45,784
What the fuck are you doing?
2564
01:53:45,784 --> 01:53:47,535
Sil, take it easy.
2565
01:53:47,535 --> 01:53:48,995
I'm losing my balls over here!
2566
01:53:48,995 --> 01:53:50,789
This fucking moron
is playing Hazel?
2567
01:53:50,789 --> 01:53:52,624
Get the fuck outta here!
2568
01:53:52,624 --> 01:53:54,292
I was trying
to sweep the cheese--
2569
01:53:54,292 --> 01:53:56,127
Why? Why now?
2570
01:53:56,127 --> 01:53:57,545
Leave it there.
2571
01:53:57,545 --> 01:53:59,547
- I don't know, I was just--
- What?
2572
01:54:00,465 --> 01:54:02,967
Where do you get
these fucking idiots? Where?
2573
01:54:02,967 --> 01:54:05,720
He's sweeping the cheese
while I'm trying to get...
2574
01:54:05,720 --> 01:54:07,597
Leave the fucking
cheese there!
2575
01:54:07,597 --> 01:54:09,140
I love cheese on my feet.
2576
01:54:09,140 --> 01:54:11,976
I stick mother fucking
provolone in my socks at night
2577
01:54:11,976 --> 01:54:14,145
so they smell like
your sister's crotch.
2578
01:54:14,145 --> 01:54:17,190
All right? So leave
the cock sucking cheese
2579
01:54:17,190 --> 01:54:18,858
where it is!
2580
01:54:19,734 --> 01:54:21,653
[man] What stunned people
2581
01:54:21,653 --> 01:54:23,613
was the breadth and range
2582
01:54:23,613 --> 01:54:26,074
and authenticity of this cast,
2583
01:54:26,074 --> 01:54:29,202
the surprise of this cast.
2584
01:54:29,202 --> 01:54:33,373
And Steve Van Zandt was
the personification
2585
01:54:33,373 --> 01:54:35,208
of that surprise,
2586
01:54:35,208 --> 01:54:37,335
because he wasn't
a professional actor.
2587
01:54:37,335 --> 01:54:42,507
And you could see that
he was made to do this.
2588
01:54:42,507 --> 01:54:44,259
He was built to do this.
2589
01:54:47,095 --> 01:54:48,722
[David] He said
he didn't wanna take
2590
01:54:48,722 --> 01:54:50,098
a job from an actor.
2591
01:54:50,098 --> 01:54:52,225
We were auditioning
all kinds of actors.
2592
01:54:52,684 --> 01:54:56,521
So I said, "Well, we'll
create a character for you,"
2593
01:54:56,521 --> 01:54:57,689
which we did.
2594
01:54:57,689 --> 01:54:59,149
And it was based
on a character
2595
01:54:59,149 --> 01:55:01,651
that he had invented,
named Silvio Dante.
2596
01:55:01,651 --> 01:55:03,028
His club was gonna
be traditional,
2597
01:55:03,028 --> 01:55:04,821
with maybe '40s music,
2598
01:55:04,821 --> 01:55:07,073
and I said, "That'd be great
for the show."
2599
01:55:07,073 --> 01:55:09,200
Well, what it wound up as
was a strip club.
2600
01:55:09,200 --> 01:55:11,536
[Steve] I wrote a whole
biography about him.
2601
01:55:11,536 --> 01:55:14,456
He grew up with Tony Soprano,
he was his best friend,
2602
01:55:14,456 --> 01:55:17,584
and I kind of used
my relationship with Bruce.
2603
01:55:19,461 --> 01:55:20,545
[sighs]
2604
01:55:20,545 --> 01:55:23,340
["Intermezzo" from
Cavalleria Rusticana plays]
2605
01:55:27,469 --> 01:55:29,095
[chuckles]
2606
01:55:30,305 --> 01:55:32,307
[Wolf] We were driving
on the North End,
2607
01:55:32,307 --> 01:55:35,018
which is kind of like
Mulberry Street, New York.
2608
01:55:35,018 --> 01:55:38,188
It's a real old school
Italian district.
2609
01:55:38,188 --> 01:55:39,939
"Silvio's here
on the North End!"
2610
01:55:39,939 --> 01:55:41,900
Owners of the restaurant
come out,
2611
01:55:41,900 --> 01:55:43,985
they're bringing him
out meatballs.
2612
01:55:43,985 --> 01:55:47,072
We gotta keep him in the van
because it's Beatlemania.
2613
01:55:48,615 --> 01:55:51,659
From the Sopranos soundtrack,
our thanks to Little Steven.
2614
01:55:51,659 --> 01:55:53,578
♪ Even if it's all over ♪
2615
01:55:53,578 --> 01:55:56,915
♪ Don't ever say it was
All in vain... ♪
2616
01:55:56,915 --> 01:55:58,416
[Zoe] What was interesting
2617
01:55:58,416 --> 01:56:01,544
in the music that David Chase
chose for the show
2618
01:56:01,544 --> 01:56:03,963
was that it was exposing
Little Steven songs,
2619
01:56:03,963 --> 01:56:06,049
and even unreleased
Little Steven songs,
2620
01:56:06,049 --> 01:56:07,926
to a brand new audience.
2621
01:56:07,926 --> 01:56:09,761
[David] I loved
picking out the music,
2622
01:56:09,761 --> 01:56:11,221
and thinking about songs,
2623
01:56:11,221 --> 01:56:14,140
and some of them I'd had
in my head for 30 years.
2624
01:56:14,140 --> 01:56:16,101
It was my favorite
part of the show.
2625
01:56:16,101 --> 01:56:20,271
But it was never me trying
to, like, introduce, um...
2626
01:56:20,772 --> 01:56:22,190
the world to any music,
2627
01:56:22,190 --> 01:56:25,485
it was just what was right
for that dramatic piece.
2628
01:56:25,485 --> 01:56:27,946
When I came in
to open up one morning,
2629
01:56:27,946 --> 01:56:30,365
there you were,
your head half in the toilet.
2630
01:56:30,365 --> 01:56:33,743
Your hair was in
the toilet water. Disgusting.
2631
01:56:33,743 --> 01:56:35,036
I told you I had the flu.
2632
01:56:35,036 --> 01:56:36,955
I said my piece, Chrissy.
2633
01:56:36,955 --> 01:56:38,623
He was almost unrecognizable.
2634
01:56:38,623 --> 01:56:40,083
If you see him in the band,
2635
01:56:40,083 --> 01:56:42,127
then when you see him
in The Sopranos.
2636
01:56:42,127 --> 01:56:44,921
Uh, I was just deathly afraid
of people saying "Hey,
2637
01:56:44,921 --> 01:56:47,215
I just saw you
play in Cleveland.
2638
01:56:47,215 --> 01:56:49,884
What are you doing trying
to be a mobster," you know?
2639
01:56:49,884 --> 01:56:51,302
I was deathly afraid of that.
2640
01:56:51,302 --> 01:56:53,304
That's why I gained,
I went in the gym,
2641
01:56:53,304 --> 01:56:56,725
I gained, like,
30, 40, 50 pounds right away.
2642
01:56:56,725 --> 01:56:58,810
Uh, and muscle, you know,
2643
01:56:58,810 --> 01:57:01,021
I really, you know,
tried to, bulked up,
2644
01:57:01,021 --> 01:57:04,315
and I wanted to be
as different as I could be,
2645
01:57:04,315 --> 01:57:06,526
thinking I'm never
going back to music.
2646
01:57:06,526 --> 01:57:07,944
You know... [chuckling]
2647
01:57:07,944 --> 01:57:09,487
I was in one trailer,
2648
01:57:09,487 --> 01:57:11,489
and Stevie was
right next to me,
2649
01:57:11,489 --> 01:57:14,367
and I used to play
a lot of Bruce and Southside.
2650
01:57:14,367 --> 01:57:16,703
Steven comes by,
I had the door open,
2651
01:57:16,703 --> 01:57:19,789
and he says, "I figured
you'd be playing Sinatra,"
2652
01:57:20,165 --> 01:57:23,001
and I says, "No, man,
this is Southside."
2653
01:57:23,001 --> 01:57:24,419
He said, "I know who it is."
2654
01:57:24,419 --> 01:57:26,171
"You know I wrote
all those songs?"
2655
01:57:26,171 --> 01:57:27,839
I says, "I didn't know that."
2656
01:57:27,839 --> 01:57:29,841
and I took the CD out,
said Van Zandt,
2657
01:57:29,841 --> 01:57:31,301
I says, "I didn't know that."
2658
01:57:31,301 --> 01:57:34,512
[Gabriel] He's clearly
fabricating a persona,
2659
01:57:34,512 --> 01:57:38,433
but you smell enough
of Steven in the character,
2660
01:57:38,433 --> 01:57:41,561
that-that it's totally
believable.
2661
01:57:41,561 --> 01:57:42,937
[cheering]
2662
01:57:42,937 --> 01:57:46,316
Without Frank, none of youse
would be in this room tonight.
2663
01:57:46,316 --> 01:57:48,860
[Eddie] I was talking
to the guitar tech,
2664
01:57:48,860 --> 01:57:50,570
and he said,
"Every once in a while,
2665
01:57:50,570 --> 01:57:52,614
he'd be waiting too long
for his guitar,
2666
01:57:52,614 --> 01:57:55,158
he'd turn around
and turn into Silvio."
2667
01:57:55,158 --> 01:57:56,868
"What the fuck, give me my...
2668
01:57:56,868 --> 01:58:00,121
[chuckling]
My fucking guitar."
2669
01:58:01,873 --> 01:58:03,750
It was probably
always in there,
2670
01:58:04,250 --> 01:58:06,836
but now it became unleashed.
2671
01:58:06,836 --> 01:58:07,879
Hey, Sil.
2672
01:58:07,879 --> 01:58:09,547
- What?
-"What?"
2673
01:58:09,547 --> 01:58:12,384
I've been gone a long time.
Let me hear it.
2674
01:58:14,719 --> 01:58:17,055
[as Pacino] Just when they
thought I was out,
2675
01:58:17,055 --> 01:58:19,099
they pull me back in.
2676
01:58:19,099 --> 01:58:20,350
[laughter]
2677
01:58:20,350 --> 01:58:22,477
All right, get
the fuck out of here.
2678
01:58:22,769 --> 01:58:25,397
I was not fooling around.
I came out of that trailer
2679
01:58:25,397 --> 01:58:28,233
as Silvio Dante,
and I was really him.
2680
01:58:28,233 --> 01:58:31,319
You know, I didn't...
I didn't take that lightly.
2681
01:58:31,319 --> 01:58:33,738
When you're connected
with Gandolfini,
2682
01:58:33,738 --> 01:58:35,073
you just gotta get better,
2683
01:58:35,073 --> 01:58:38,118
and Steven and Jimmy
got along so good.
2684
01:58:38,118 --> 01:58:39,911
He learned a lot from Jimmy.
2685
01:58:39,911 --> 01:58:41,830
He'd always say,
"Look in the mirror.
2686
01:58:41,830 --> 01:58:43,373
Look at this face, you know?
2687
01:58:43,373 --> 01:58:46,084
You believe they cast me
as the lead in this show?"
2688
01:58:46,084 --> 01:58:48,128
[chuckling]
He meant it, you know?
2689
01:58:48,128 --> 01:58:50,547
Just being in
a scene with him,
2690
01:58:50,547 --> 01:58:52,215
you walked away
a better actor.
2691
01:58:52,215 --> 01:58:53,758
You just couldn't help it.
2692
01:58:53,758 --> 01:58:54,926
He was that good.
2693
01:58:54,926 --> 01:58:56,344
What the fuck do you know
2694
01:58:56,344 --> 01:58:57,637
what goes on in my head?
2695
01:58:57,637 --> 01:58:59,973
I've known you since
you were a kid, Ton'.
2696
01:59:00,390 --> 01:59:04,310
Frankly... you've got
a problem with authority.
2697
01:59:05,562 --> 01:59:07,355
I knew exactly those dynamics.
2698
01:59:07,355 --> 01:59:09,607
I know what it's like
to be the only guy
2699
01:59:09,607 --> 01:59:10,900
bringing the bad news.
2700
01:59:10,900 --> 01:59:12,068
That's the job.
2701
01:59:12,068 --> 01:59:13,903
You wanna be
somebody's best friend?
2702
01:59:13,903 --> 01:59:15,071
Be a real friend?
2703
01:59:15,071 --> 01:59:17,240
You wanna be a consigliere?
2704
01:59:17,240 --> 01:59:18,825
You've gotta take that heat.
2705
01:59:18,825 --> 01:59:20,452
And you gotta stand up to it,
2706
01:59:20,452 --> 01:59:22,287
because that's the job, man.
2707
01:59:22,287 --> 01:59:24,205
'Cause everybody else
is too afraid to do it.
2708
01:59:24,205 --> 01:59:26,791
You know, it might cost you
your friendship,
2709
01:59:26,791 --> 01:59:30,170
or in this case, in Sopranos,
it might cost your life,
2710
01:59:30,170 --> 01:59:32,130
you know, but you gotta do it.
2711
01:59:32,130 --> 01:59:33,423
That's the gig.
2712
01:59:33,423 --> 01:59:36,134
So I was comfortable
with those dynamics,
2713
01:59:36,134 --> 01:59:38,011
and, uh, I think it helped me
2714
01:59:38,011 --> 01:59:39,637
as a first-time actor.
2715
01:59:39,637 --> 01:59:41,890
All his experience
through his career,
2716
01:59:41,890 --> 01:59:43,308
with Bruce, and other ways,
2717
01:59:43,308 --> 01:59:45,977
he gave me tips, um,
2718
01:59:45,977 --> 01:59:47,479
which were really valuable.
2719
01:59:47,479 --> 01:59:50,440
He took on more
thematic responsibility too
2720
01:59:50,440 --> 01:59:52,150
as he became a consigliere.
2721
01:59:52,150 --> 01:59:54,235
That's what he's like
as a person.
2722
01:59:54,778 --> 01:59:56,404
He was always
that way with me.
2723
01:59:56,404 --> 01:59:58,656
"Don't do this,
don't do this," you know?
2724
01:59:58,656 --> 02:00:00,075
That was the big time.
2725
02:00:00,075 --> 02:00:02,285
He'd been in the big time
for a long time.
2726
02:00:02,285 --> 02:00:05,330
I'm gonna tell you something
I never told anybody.
2727
02:00:06,206 --> 02:00:07,707
Back when Jackie
was at the end,
2728
02:00:07,707 --> 02:00:09,167
they floated the idea
2729
02:00:09,167 --> 02:00:10,960
of me stepping up
to the big seat.
2730
02:00:11,670 --> 02:00:13,338
Not Tony, me.
2731
02:00:13,338 --> 02:00:14,881
- Really?
- Yeah.
2732
02:00:14,881 --> 02:00:17,258
But I thought,
"It's not for me."
2733
02:00:17,258 --> 02:00:19,260
Still, you wouldn't
sneeze at it.
2734
02:00:19,260 --> 02:00:22,013
I never saw myself
as that kind of guy.
2735
02:00:22,013 --> 02:00:23,848
I'm more behind the scenes.
2736
02:00:23,848 --> 02:00:27,018
Advice... strategy.
2737
02:00:28,728 --> 02:00:30,772
And here you are, Sil.
2738
02:00:31,356 --> 02:00:33,400
The times make the man, honey,
2739
02:00:33,400 --> 02:00:35,652
not the other way around.
2740
02:00:39,656 --> 02:00:41,366
Come on, Stevie!
2741
02:00:41,825 --> 02:00:43,243
Once more.
2742
02:00:44,536 --> 02:00:46,329
One, two!
2743
02:00:46,454 --> 02:00:49,290
["Two Hearts" by Bruce
Springsteen playing]
2744
02:00:53,128 --> 02:00:57,757
♪ Once I spent my time
Playing tough-guy scenes ♪
2745
02:00:57,757 --> 02:00:59,342
♪ Yeah ♪
2746
02:00:59,342 --> 02:01:03,805
♪ I was living in a world
Of childish dreams... ♪
2747
02:01:04,764 --> 02:01:06,141
Here's two friends
2748
02:01:06,558 --> 02:01:09,519
that I'm so happy they're
getting back together again,
2749
02:01:09,519 --> 02:01:11,563
and that's how
I felt about that.
2750
02:01:11,563 --> 02:01:14,649
Those guys have a connection,
and it's fucking awesome.
2751
02:01:14,649 --> 02:01:16,943
They're laughing,
they're like two kids.
2752
02:01:16,943 --> 02:01:18,361
That's the relationship.
2753
02:01:18,361 --> 02:01:20,572
♪ I believe in the end ♪
2754
02:01:20,947 --> 02:01:24,242
♪ Two hearts
Are better than one ♪
2755
02:01:24,659 --> 02:01:27,787
♪ Two hearts
Girl, get the job done ♪
2756
02:01:27,787 --> 02:01:31,541
♪ Two hearts
Are better than one... ♪
2757
02:01:31,541 --> 02:01:33,168
[Bono] Being in a band is like
2758
02:01:33,168 --> 02:01:36,296
being in the priesthood
or the Mob.
2759
02:01:36,296 --> 02:01:38,965
These are organizations
you can't leave.
2760
02:01:39,424 --> 02:01:40,759
Unless you're dead.
2761
02:01:40,759 --> 02:01:43,762
The whole mythology
of the band of brothers.
2762
02:01:45,930 --> 02:01:47,891
♪ My special one ♪
2763
02:01:47,891 --> 02:01:51,019
♪ Two hearts
Are better than one ♪
2764
02:01:51,436 --> 02:01:54,314
♪ Two hearts
Girl, get the job done ♪
2765
02:01:54,773 --> 02:01:57,400
♪ Two hearts
Are better than one ♪
2766
02:01:57,400 --> 02:01:58,860
- Steve!
- Yeah, Boss?
2767
02:01:58,860 --> 02:02:01,363
[Vincent] How the hell
is this guy gonna be doing
2768
02:02:01,363 --> 02:02:02,822
a rock show the night before,
2769
02:02:02,822 --> 02:02:05,700
and had a 6:00 a.m. call
the next day in New York?
2770
02:02:05,700 --> 02:02:08,078
We used to wait and say,
"Is he gonna make it?"
2771
02:02:08,078 --> 02:02:09,746
Boom, he shows up,
comes out
2772
02:02:09,746 --> 02:02:10,789
looking like Silvio,
2773
02:02:10,789 --> 02:02:12,624
- and we go to work.
- Let's go act.
2774
02:02:12,624 --> 02:02:15,168
[reporter] Van Zandt
is creatively restless,
2775
02:02:15,168 --> 02:02:17,462
says his wife,
Maureen, who also plays
2776
02:02:17,462 --> 02:02:19,798
his TV wife in The Sopranos.
2777
02:02:19,798 --> 02:02:22,258
You know, that's
what's interesting about him,
2778
02:02:22,258 --> 02:02:25,261
that he's a... he's a real
Renaissance man.
2779
02:02:25,261 --> 02:02:27,430
I know that sounds
very cliche, but he is.
2780
02:02:27,430 --> 02:02:31,685
["Salvation"
by Little Steven playing]
2781
02:02:32,102 --> 02:02:33,520
[Stevie] People ask me, uh,
2782
02:02:33,520 --> 02:02:35,605
"What have you been doing
these last 20 years?"
2783
02:02:35,605 --> 02:02:39,776
And I say to them, "I've been
putting all of my energy
2784
02:02:39,776 --> 02:02:42,362
into preserving this thing
we call rock and roll."
2785
02:02:42,362 --> 02:02:44,614
And they said
it wouldn't last.
2786
02:02:44,614 --> 02:02:46,366
The Underground Garage
this week
2787
02:02:46,366 --> 02:02:47,826
begins its fifth year.
2788
02:02:47,826 --> 02:02:50,829
[man] It started with
his syndicated radio show
2789
02:02:50,829 --> 02:02:53,331
Little Steven's
Underground Garage,
2790
02:02:53,331 --> 02:02:55,375
now heard on 200 stations.
2791
02:02:55,375 --> 02:02:58,503
He said, "I started going,
city by city,
2792
02:02:58,503 --> 02:03:00,463
I would get a dinner
2793
02:03:00,463 --> 02:03:02,465
with the head
of the radio station,
2794
02:03:02,465 --> 02:03:05,677
and then we'd talk
Sopranos for an hour,"
2795
02:03:05,677 --> 02:03:07,554
he'd say "What's your
slowest night?"
2796
02:03:07,554 --> 02:03:11,975
He wheeled and dealed
to get this golden music
2797
02:03:11,975 --> 02:03:13,601
into the people's ears.
2798
02:03:13,977 --> 02:03:15,687
[woman] I remember being
on the West Coast
2799
02:03:15,687 --> 02:03:17,564
listening to
Underground Garage,
2800
02:03:17,564 --> 02:03:20,442
like, "These are the coolest
bands I've ever heard."
2801
02:03:20,442 --> 02:03:23,611
My only desire was to be
on that station as a band.
2802
02:03:24,612 --> 02:03:27,407
Your radio show, Little
Steven's Underground Garage--
2803
02:03:27,407 --> 02:03:30,035
Yes, we are the only
radio show with dancers.
2804
02:03:30,035 --> 02:03:31,828
[Shaffer] Yeah, I noticed.
2805
02:03:32,829 --> 02:03:35,123
You know, it goes
from punk rock, to surf,
2806
02:03:35,123 --> 02:03:37,125
to doo-wop, to psychedelic,
2807
02:03:37,125 --> 02:03:39,961
to, you know, modern garage
stuff to old garage stuff,
2808
02:03:39,961 --> 02:03:43,340
and glam, and a bunch
more I'm forgetting.
2809
02:03:43,340 --> 02:03:44,674
There's even reggae in there.
2810
02:03:44,674 --> 02:03:47,427
You think of all those
bands that got played,
2811
02:03:47,427 --> 02:03:48,636
he was the first guy
2812
02:03:48,636 --> 02:03:50,847
to turn anybody
on to the White Stripes.
2813
02:03:50,847 --> 02:03:52,140
I mean, that was him.
2814
02:03:52,515 --> 02:03:55,226
And it just steamrolled
into this monster,
2815
02:03:55,518 --> 02:03:57,645
you know,
groundbreaking thing.
2816
02:04:01,066 --> 02:04:03,651
Underground Garage
gave Steven his freedom
2817
02:04:03,651 --> 02:04:05,403
to play whatever he wanted.
2818
02:04:05,403 --> 02:04:07,364
I can't say the name
of the track,
2819
02:04:07,364 --> 02:04:09,657
because it's got
a horrible word in it.
2820
02:04:09,657 --> 02:04:12,243
It's my station, we can do
whatever the fuck we want.
2821
02:04:12,243 --> 02:04:13,536
Well, there you go.
2822
02:04:13,536 --> 02:04:15,246
I ask people, "How do
you know my music?"
2823
02:04:15,246 --> 02:04:18,208
They say Underground Garage.
I get that all the time.
2824
02:04:18,208 --> 02:04:20,251
[Eddie]
It wasn't just the past.
2825
02:04:20,251 --> 02:04:22,921
It was like, "Here's the past,
2826
02:04:22,921 --> 02:04:24,547
and here's the future."
2827
02:04:24,547 --> 02:04:26,925
♪ When you're walking in LA ♪
2828
02:04:26,925 --> 02:04:29,010
♪ Everybody knows
That you're down... ♪
2829
02:04:29,010 --> 02:04:31,429
[Scott] He thought there
was country music
2830
02:04:31,429 --> 02:04:32,555
being unrepresented,
2831
02:04:32,555 --> 02:04:33,932
and said
"I got a second idea,
2832
02:04:33,932 --> 02:04:36,017
I wanna do this thing
called Outlaw Country.
2833
02:04:36,017 --> 02:04:39,187
So Outlaw Country comes.
Guy's got another channel.
2834
02:04:39,187 --> 02:04:40,939
You wanna make
those connections.
2835
02:04:40,939 --> 02:04:42,565
You wanna connect dots,
2836
02:04:42,565 --> 02:04:43,858
like you do in music,
2837
02:04:43,858 --> 02:04:46,277
Like, how is Robert Johnson
the same as
2838
02:04:46,778 --> 02:04:48,446
the White Stripes, or whoever?
2839
02:04:48,446 --> 02:04:49,823
I think he realizes that if
2840
02:04:49,823 --> 02:04:51,908
somebody doesn't
keep this going,
2841
02:04:51,908 --> 02:04:53,034
it may die.
2842
02:04:53,034 --> 02:04:56,538
♪ Who will save
Rock and roll... ♪
2843
02:04:56,538 --> 02:04:58,957
[reporter] From his
New York office, Van Zandt
2844
02:04:58,957 --> 02:05:01,626
also books underground
garage concerts.
2845
02:05:01,626 --> 02:05:03,712
[Zoe] He was trying
to save CBGB's.
2846
02:05:03,712 --> 02:05:05,463
He reunited some great bands
2847
02:05:05,463 --> 02:05:07,841
for the Garage Rock Festival.
2848
02:05:09,426 --> 02:05:10,802
And for all these events,
2849
02:05:10,802 --> 02:05:13,138
he'd bring friends
from E Street and Sopranos.
2850
02:05:13,138 --> 02:05:15,265
[man] I hope youse
having a great time
2851
02:05:15,265 --> 02:05:17,684
listening to all
this garage trash today.
2852
02:05:18,268 --> 02:05:19,602
I know I'm trying.
2853
02:05:19,602 --> 02:05:23,231
Steven has this...
sheet of paper
2854
02:05:23,231 --> 02:05:25,150
with all of the things
2855
02:05:25,150 --> 02:05:26,776
that he wants to do.
2856
02:05:26,776 --> 02:05:29,654
I'm pretty sure
he's done them all.
2857
02:05:29,654 --> 02:05:31,072
Like, it's just mind-blowing,
2858
02:05:31,072 --> 02:05:34,284
but I think he has
kind of checked a box
2859
02:05:34,284 --> 02:05:36,286
on every one
of those branches.
2860
02:05:36,286 --> 02:05:37,912
[Zoe] Steven's second act,
2861
02:05:37,912 --> 02:05:40,248
it's amazing how much
he's accomplished.
2862
02:05:40,248 --> 02:05:42,083
[chuckling]
2863
02:05:42,542 --> 02:05:44,586
Is that the teachers?
2864
02:05:46,212 --> 02:05:49,007
[Zoe] All of a sudden,
he's involved in TV, radio,
2865
02:05:49,007 --> 02:05:52,052
education, he's building
a record label.
2866
02:05:52,469 --> 02:05:54,596
[Palmyra]
Steven showed up to our gig,
2867
02:05:54,596 --> 02:05:56,222
he's like,
"I want that record."
2868
02:05:56,222 --> 02:05:57,724
You can have that record.
2869
02:05:57,724 --> 02:05:59,392
It's all about music for him.
2870
02:05:59,392 --> 02:06:01,561
There's just a lot
of bands these days,
2871
02:06:01,561 --> 02:06:03,521
and a lot of the bands
came to us saying
2872
02:06:03,521 --> 02:06:04,731
"We need more help."
2873
02:06:04,731 --> 02:06:06,358
That was gonna be successful,
2874
02:06:06,358 --> 02:06:07,859
because people love rock.
2875
02:06:07,859 --> 02:06:10,111
♪ One, two three
Good love ♪
2876
02:06:11,154 --> 02:06:12,197
♪ Good love ♪
2877
02:06:12,197 --> 02:06:14,282
[Jon] He was on fire
2878
02:06:14,282 --> 02:06:15,992
about this Rascals thing.
2879
02:06:15,992 --> 02:06:18,995
The next thing I know,
it's on Broadway,
2880
02:06:18,995 --> 02:06:21,164
which is tremendous.
2881
02:06:21,539 --> 02:06:23,541
He sees it historically,
2882
02:06:23,541 --> 02:06:25,502
'cause he is a historian.
2883
02:06:25,502 --> 02:06:28,546
He probably knows more
about my music than I do.
2884
02:06:28,546 --> 02:06:31,383
It's every performer's dream
to play Broadway.
2885
02:06:31,383 --> 02:06:33,218
That dream came true for me
2886
02:06:33,718 --> 02:06:36,554
when I wrote and co-directed
Once Upon a Dream,
2887
02:06:36,554 --> 02:06:38,181
reuniting The Rascals.
2888
02:06:38,181 --> 02:06:42,143
♪ How can I be sure ♪
2889
02:06:42,894 --> 02:06:47,065
♪ I'll be sure ♪
2890
02:06:47,565 --> 02:06:51,069
♪ With you ♪
2891
02:06:51,069 --> 02:06:52,195
[audience cheering]
2892
02:06:52,195 --> 02:06:54,364
One of the police officers
who was helping us
2893
02:06:54,364 --> 02:06:56,366
when we'd come out
of the stage door,
2894
02:06:57,283 --> 02:06:58,535
pulls me aside and says,
2895
02:06:58,535 --> 02:07:00,704
"I've been working
Broadway for 20 years,
2896
02:07:00,704 --> 02:07:02,872
and I have never
seen an audience
2897
02:07:02,872 --> 02:07:06,167
come out
of a show like this.
2898
02:07:06,543 --> 02:07:08,420
Cheering, singing,
2899
02:07:08,420 --> 02:07:10,255
smiles, happiness."
2900
02:07:10,255 --> 02:07:13,258
It took people to a place,
in the audience,
2901
02:07:13,258 --> 02:07:16,344
that they never thought
in their wildest dreams
2902
02:07:16,344 --> 02:07:18,263
they would ever get back to.
2903
02:07:18,722 --> 02:07:22,600
Musicians are very theatrical.
2904
02:07:22,892 --> 02:07:25,812
They become
different people, you know.
2905
02:07:25,812 --> 02:07:29,441
When I stood on the stage
of Carnegie Hall,
2906
02:07:29,441 --> 02:07:32,986
and announced Stevie's name,
2907
02:07:33,445 --> 02:07:34,904
I just felt so cool.
2908
02:07:35,196 --> 02:07:37,615
I mean, I just felt
like my world went...
2909
02:07:37,615 --> 02:07:41,119
[whooshes] And I could be...
2910
02:07:41,911 --> 02:07:43,413
anything I wanted to be.
2911
02:07:44,289 --> 02:07:47,459
["First Call" bugle melody
plays on piano]
2912
02:07:47,459 --> 02:07:49,210
[chuckling]
2913
02:07:49,210 --> 02:07:51,796
Now, this could only happen
2914
02:07:52,297 --> 02:07:54,049
to a guy like me.
2915
02:07:55,884 --> 02:07:59,846
And only happened
in a town like this.
2916
02:07:59,846 --> 02:08:01,765
- [crowd cheering]
- Am I right?
2917
02:08:01,765 --> 02:08:04,893
♪ This is ♪
2918
02:08:04,893 --> 02:08:08,980
♪ My kind of town ♪
2919
02:08:08,980 --> 02:08:10,440
♪ Lilyhammer is... ♪
2920
02:08:10,440 --> 02:08:12,150
[Stevie]
I started a record label,
2921
02:08:12,150 --> 02:08:14,986
and I start signing a bunch
of Norwegian bands.
2922
02:08:14,986 --> 02:08:17,989
I'm producing one of them
in Bergen, Norway.
2923
02:08:17,989 --> 02:08:20,450
The assistant engineer
says, "There's a couple
2924
02:08:20,450 --> 02:08:22,452
in the lobby,
they wanna say hello."
2925
02:08:22,911 --> 02:08:25,330
It's Eilif Skodvin
and Anne Bjornstad,
2926
02:08:25,330 --> 02:08:27,582
and they say to me,
"We're TV writers,
2927
02:08:27,582 --> 02:08:29,501
and we wrote
a TV show for you."
2928
02:08:29,918 --> 02:08:32,796
[chuckling] Well,
2929
02:08:32,796 --> 02:08:34,839
you don't hear that every day.
2930
02:08:34,839 --> 02:08:36,049
Kind of out of the blue,
2931
02:08:36,049 --> 02:08:37,842
I get a call
from Stevie's agent,
2932
02:08:37,842 --> 02:08:40,470
saying, "Will you take a call
with Stevie Van Zandt?"
2933
02:08:40,470 --> 02:08:43,473
And I said, "Would I?
Anyone ever say no to that?"
2934
02:08:43,473 --> 02:08:46,518
Very excited. No idea what
they're gonna talk about.
2935
02:08:46,518 --> 02:08:48,645
I'm thinking "Lilyhammer."
2936
02:08:48,645 --> 02:08:51,564
Three episodes were complete,
and I loved it.
2937
02:08:51,940 --> 02:08:55,110
Really what that was,
like the first Netflix show.
2938
02:08:55,110 --> 02:08:57,862
I think that
that digital world,
2939
02:08:57,862 --> 02:09:00,073
for a guy who is as off-beat
2940
02:09:00,657 --> 02:09:02,367
as, uh, Steve is,
2941
02:09:02,367 --> 02:09:04,494
will create opportunities.
2942
02:09:04,494 --> 02:09:07,706
The sheep head,
it's my dinner.
2943
02:09:07,706 --> 02:09:09,582
I thought I was gonna
have to give
2944
02:09:09,582 --> 02:09:11,334
Johnny Fontaine a movie part.
2945
02:09:11,334 --> 02:09:12,877
[both chuckle]
2946
02:09:13,795 --> 02:09:15,338
It's Gary U.S. Bonds!
2947
02:09:15,338 --> 02:09:18,883
♪ Should auld acquaintance
Be forgot... ♪
2948
02:09:18,883 --> 02:09:21,094
- I'm impressed.
- Yeah!
2949
02:09:21,094 --> 02:09:23,221
I got to direct
the final episode,
2950
02:09:23,221 --> 02:09:24,472
of Lilyhammer,
2951
02:09:24,472 --> 02:09:26,349
and that was one of
my scripts,
2952
02:09:26,349 --> 02:09:27,809
uh, and, uh...
2953
02:09:28,560 --> 02:09:32,188
you know, I had been talking
to Bruce about, uh...
2954
02:09:33,314 --> 02:09:34,566
getting in somewhere.
2955
02:09:34,566 --> 02:09:36,484
We had been talking
since Sopranos.
2956
02:09:37,485 --> 02:09:39,404
Angelina, Anthony.
2957
02:09:39,654 --> 02:09:40,905
What brings you here?
2958
02:09:40,905 --> 02:09:43,992
It's our brother, like always.
2959
02:09:43,992 --> 02:09:46,244
I was thrilled that he
did it, because, uh,
2960
02:09:46,244 --> 02:09:49,581
people have been trying to
get him to act for 30 years.
2961
02:09:49,581 --> 02:09:51,875
You know, I'm proud of that.
2962
02:09:51,875 --> 02:09:53,668
We've been
friends a long time,
2963
02:09:53,668 --> 02:09:56,212
still, you know,
he trusted me.
2964
02:09:57,130 --> 02:09:59,424
[Stevie] No Child
Left Behind legislation
2965
02:09:59,424 --> 02:10:02,427
had devastated all
the arts classes in America,
2966
02:10:02,427 --> 02:10:04,346
So I said how about we do
2967
02:10:04,346 --> 02:10:06,348
a music history
curriculum instead.
2968
02:10:06,348 --> 02:10:09,184
Teacher asks the kid,
"What are you listening to?"
2969
02:10:09,184 --> 02:10:11,770
And whatever they answer,
you trace it back.
2970
02:10:11,770 --> 02:10:13,605
[Jackson]
And he's not kidding.
2971
02:10:13,605 --> 02:10:15,940
He wants rock and roll
taught in school.
2972
02:10:15,940 --> 02:10:18,026
You mustn't lose
the history of music,
2973
02:10:18,026 --> 02:10:19,944
the history of anything.
2974
02:10:19,944 --> 02:10:22,947
[Joan] Rock and roll is
important, it's great to have
2975
02:10:22,947 --> 02:10:25,825
Steven out there
making sure people know
2976
02:10:25,825 --> 02:10:27,702
how important it is,
what it means,
2977
02:10:27,702 --> 02:10:29,579
and what a lifeline it can be.
2978
02:10:29,996 --> 02:10:32,040
[Wolf] He's almost like
John the Baptist.
2979
02:10:32,040 --> 02:10:34,834
He's out there screaming
there's a sacredness,
2980
02:10:34,834 --> 02:10:36,336
there's a holiness to rock.
2981
02:10:36,336 --> 02:10:39,005
This guy is doing
40 things at once,
2982
02:10:39,005 --> 02:10:40,715
and they're all complicated.
2983
02:10:40,715 --> 02:10:42,384
And they're all good.
2984
02:10:42,384 --> 02:10:45,637
[rock music playing]
2985
02:10:51,351 --> 02:10:53,937
[David] He's a writer,
he's a director,
2986
02:10:53,937 --> 02:10:56,356
he's a musician,
he's a producer,
2987
02:10:56,356 --> 02:10:59,150
he's a businessman,
he's a philanthropist,
2988
02:10:59,150 --> 02:11:01,152
and now he wrote
an entire book
2989
02:11:01,152 --> 02:11:03,321
in prose, and it's very good.
2990
02:11:03,863 --> 02:11:05,281
[reporter]
The book has it all.
2991
02:11:05,281 --> 02:11:08,284
Sex, drugs, rock and roll
in unequal measure,
2992
02:11:08,284 --> 02:11:11,246
and the true story
behind the bandana.
2993
02:11:11,788 --> 02:11:14,082
♪ Could have been
A politician ♪
2994
02:11:14,499 --> 02:11:17,836
♪ In a bulletproof
Limousine ♪
2995
02:11:18,503 --> 02:11:22,382
♪ Could have made
A lot of promises... ♪
2996
02:11:23,341 --> 02:11:25,510
I did invite Stevie
to my 80th.
2997
02:11:25,510 --> 02:11:28,680
[Stevie] Bill Wyman invited us
to his 80th birthday party.
2998
02:11:28,680 --> 02:11:30,598
Leo Green,
his crazy promoter,
2999
02:11:30,598 --> 02:11:33,518
he says, "That's the same
week as my blues festival.
3000
02:11:34,269 --> 02:11:36,021
Why don't you
throw a band together
3001
02:11:36,021 --> 02:11:37,564
and headline one night?"
3002
02:11:37,564 --> 02:11:38,898
It sounded like fun.
3003
02:11:38,898 --> 02:11:41,192
I thought maybe
I'll bring the horns back,
3004
02:11:41,192 --> 02:11:45,655
I'll do a handful of my own
songs from the old days.
3005
02:11:45,655 --> 02:11:47,032
For almost 30 years,
3006
02:11:47,032 --> 02:11:49,284
Steven did not
perform his own music.
3007
02:11:49,284 --> 02:11:51,369
He acted, he was
performing with Bruce,
3008
02:11:51,369 --> 02:11:53,830
he was involved
in a lot of different things,
3009
02:11:53,830 --> 02:11:55,874
but he didn't play
any of his own songs
3010
02:11:55,874 --> 02:11:57,542
for a very long time.
3011
02:11:57,876 --> 02:12:00,045
♪ Could have been a lawyer ♪
3012
02:12:00,545 --> 02:12:04,049
♪ But my daddy taught me
Right from wrong ♪
3013
02:12:04,924 --> 02:12:07,594
♪ That could have been
The reason ♪
3014
02:12:08,136 --> 02:12:10,972
♪ Everything takes too long ♪
3015
02:12:11,473 --> 02:12:15,268
♪ I could have hung out
In Hollywood ♪
3016
02:12:15,268 --> 02:12:18,730
♪ I could have
Been a millionaire ♪
3017
02:12:19,189 --> 02:12:20,857
♪ Could have been big... ♪
3018
02:12:20,857 --> 02:12:23,109
As I'm-as I'm going
through my old songs,
3019
02:12:23,109 --> 02:12:25,570
I couldn't get through
them at first.
3020
02:12:26,237 --> 02:12:28,239
And my-my throat
was tightening up,
3021
02:12:28,239 --> 02:12:30,492
I-I... I started to tear up.
3022
02:12:30,492 --> 02:12:32,786
And I went to Bruce,
I said, "Bruce,
3023
02:12:32,786 --> 02:12:35,121
has anything like this
happened to you?"
3024
02:12:35,663 --> 02:12:39,292
[chuckling] And he's like,
"Yeah, I know why,
3025
02:12:39,292 --> 02:12:42,379
because you abandoned
your children for 30 years."
3026
02:12:43,421 --> 02:12:45,799
It reminded me
these songs have value.
3027
02:12:45,799 --> 02:12:47,509
I really shouldn't have
abandoned them.
3028
02:12:47,509 --> 02:12:50,428
I was like, "Dude, yeah,
3029
02:12:50,887 --> 02:12:52,472
you should be doing this."
3030
02:12:53,306 --> 02:12:55,725
But, you know, who knew he was
3031
02:12:55,725 --> 02:12:58,269
gonna pile it on top
of everything else he's doing?
3032
02:12:58,269 --> 02:13:01,648
I was overjoyed. He should
have been on the road anyway,
3033
02:13:01,648 --> 02:13:03,066
'cause he loves the road.
3034
02:13:03,066 --> 02:13:04,651
He stays in the fine hotels,
3035
02:13:04,651 --> 02:13:07,404
and, you know, drinks
that fine wine and all that.
3036
02:13:07,404 --> 02:13:11,074
["Soulfire"
by Little Steven playing]
3037
02:13:15,912 --> 02:13:17,414
My first manager over here.
3038
02:13:17,414 --> 02:13:20,458
Nobody messes with Big Mama.
You're my baby.
3039
02:13:20,458 --> 02:13:23,586
Without you,
I don't know where I'd be.
3040
02:13:23,586 --> 02:13:25,130
Oh, Stevie.
3041
02:13:25,463 --> 02:13:28,758
♪ Stop the world
For a minute ♪
3042
02:13:29,759 --> 02:13:33,680
♪ Is that a tear
I see in your eye? ♪
3043
02:13:33,680 --> 02:13:38,018
♪ This is your chance
This is your moment, baby ♪
3044
02:13:38,351 --> 02:13:41,229
♪ Spread your wings
It's time to fly... ♪
3045
02:13:41,229 --> 02:13:43,148
He's a great performer,
3046
02:13:43,148 --> 02:13:44,649
great songwriter,
3047
02:13:44,649 --> 02:13:46,526
great producer,
great arranger,
3048
02:13:46,526 --> 02:13:48,862
and made a couple
of great records
3049
02:13:49,195 --> 02:13:50,864
that ought to be out there.
3050
02:13:50,864 --> 02:13:53,450
He had gone
quite a-quite a period
3051
02:13:53,450 --> 02:13:56,745
without using some
of his greatest abilities.
3052
02:13:56,745 --> 02:13:58,371
Stevie called me up and said,
3053
02:13:58,371 --> 02:14:00,790
"I wanna get back
into doing this."
3054
02:14:00,790 --> 02:14:02,917
I said, "Of course, man."
3055
02:14:03,793 --> 02:14:07,172
That was just one of
the sweet things about Steve.
3056
02:14:07,172 --> 02:14:09,424
Is that he
would think, "Can I?"
3057
02:14:10,342 --> 02:14:12,218
That he would think
to make that call.
3058
02:14:12,218 --> 02:14:14,971
I don't think that would
happen in other bands.
3059
02:14:14,971 --> 02:14:18,141
♪ Lighting the soulfire ♪
3060
02:14:18,141 --> 02:14:20,185
♪ Lighting the soulfire... ♪
3061
02:14:20,185 --> 02:14:22,270
[Kempner] I saw them
in downtown LA.
3062
02:14:22,270 --> 02:14:24,939
Mike Stoller was the emcee,
3063
02:14:24,939 --> 02:14:26,816
which blew my mind.
3064
02:14:26,816 --> 02:14:31,863
Here they are, Little Steven
and the Disciples of Soul.
3065
02:14:31,863 --> 02:14:35,200
["Soulfire"
by Little Steven playing]
3066
02:14:36,785 --> 02:14:39,245
♪ Ah yeah ♪
3067
02:14:51,800 --> 02:14:53,051
[Chris]
When I put on "Soulfire"
3068
02:14:53,051 --> 02:14:54,177
for the first time,
3069
02:14:54,177 --> 02:14:55,387
I have to be honest,
3070
02:14:55,387 --> 02:14:57,263
I had tears running
down my face,
3071
02:14:57,263 --> 02:14:59,224
because it picked me up
3072
02:14:59,224 --> 02:15:01,559
and threw me back into 1977.
3073
02:15:18,785 --> 02:15:19,869
♪ Hey hey hey... ♪
3074
02:15:19,869 --> 02:15:21,413
He gets on with it.
3075
02:15:21,413 --> 02:15:24,749
Who goes on the road
with 14 musicians?
3076
02:15:24,749 --> 02:15:27,794
[singing]
3077
02:15:27,794 --> 02:15:29,462
Steven asked me,
3078
02:15:29,462 --> 02:15:31,965
"Can you find out
how big the stage is
3079
02:15:31,965 --> 02:15:33,758
at the Cavern Club
in Liverpool?"
3080
02:15:33,758 --> 02:15:36,302
And I went, "Uh, yeah, why?"
3081
02:15:36,302 --> 02:15:38,346
And he goes,
"I wanna play there."
3082
02:15:38,346 --> 02:15:40,807
[man] You are eternally part
3083
02:15:41,683 --> 02:15:42,934
of our wall of fame.
3084
02:15:42,934 --> 02:15:44,352
- [clapping]
- Thank you.
3085
02:15:44,352 --> 02:15:45,520
[man] It's your turn.
3086
02:15:45,520 --> 02:15:49,232
["I Saw Her
Standing There" playing]
3087
02:15:49,733 --> 02:15:51,484
I love his enthusiasm,
3088
02:15:51,484 --> 02:15:54,946
and his passion
for what we both love.
3089
02:15:54,946 --> 02:15:57,323
He lives it
and he promotes it,
3090
02:15:57,323 --> 02:15:59,159
you know,
with his radio station.
3091
02:15:59,159 --> 02:16:02,162
♪ Well, she was just 17 ♪
3092
02:16:02,620 --> 02:16:05,331
♪ If you know what I mean ♪
3093
02:16:06,166 --> 02:16:07,625
♪ And the way she looked... ♪
3094
02:16:07,625 --> 02:16:09,294
[Paul] The thing
I see with Stevie,
3095
02:16:09,294 --> 02:16:11,087
I think he's just
following threads
3096
02:16:11,087 --> 02:16:12,922
that he really likes.
3097
02:16:13,381 --> 02:16:15,842
♪ So how could I dance ♪
3098
02:16:15,842 --> 02:16:18,136
♪ With another ♪
3099
02:16:18,136 --> 02:16:19,637
♪ Woo ♪
3100
02:16:19,637 --> 02:16:23,892
♪ I saw her
Standing there... ♪
3101
02:16:23,892 --> 02:16:27,228
What he's doing, the tradition
he's carrying on,
3102
02:16:27,645 --> 02:16:29,522
rock and soul,
from Sam and Dave
3103
02:16:29,522 --> 02:16:32,025
to the Dave Clark Five
to the Stones,
3104
02:16:32,025 --> 02:16:33,485
he's a witness.
3105
02:16:34,152 --> 02:16:35,612
[cheering]
3106
02:16:35,612 --> 02:16:39,866
["No Surrender"
by Bruce Springsteen playing]
3107
02:16:39,866 --> 02:16:41,993
♪ Well, we made a promise ♪
3108
02:16:41,993 --> 02:16:45,372
♪ We swore we'd
Always remember ♪
3109
02:16:45,372 --> 02:16:47,499
♪ No retreat, baby ♪
3110
02:16:47,499 --> 02:16:50,085
♪ No surrender... ♪
3111
02:16:50,669 --> 02:16:53,338
[Bruce] It is 20 years now
since we've been back.
3112
02:16:53,338 --> 02:16:55,090
[chuckles] It's crazy.
3113
02:16:55,090 --> 02:16:56,966
You know, it's, uh,
3114
02:16:57,300 --> 02:16:59,260
it feels like it's
the way it ought to be.
3115
02:16:59,260 --> 02:17:02,806
♪ Baby, no surrender ♪
3116
02:17:02,806 --> 02:17:04,224
Come on, kid!
3117
02:17:04,224 --> 02:17:06,726
♪ No retreat, baby ♪
3118
02:17:06,726 --> 02:17:12,107
♪ No ♪
3119
02:17:12,357 --> 02:17:14,192
♪ Surrender ♪
3120
02:17:14,192 --> 02:17:15,777
Whoo!
3121
02:17:16,236 --> 02:17:18,113
Things have a way
of coming around,
3122
02:17:18,530 --> 02:17:20,365
and working themselves out.
3123
02:17:20,782 --> 02:17:22,826
If people
have the faith in...
3124
02:17:23,493 --> 02:17:25,870
in each other,
it'll allow that to happen,
3125
02:17:25,870 --> 02:17:27,664
and the love, you know?
3126
02:17:30,417 --> 02:17:34,587
["Summer of Sorcery"
by Little Steven playing]
3127
02:17:38,425 --> 02:17:39,926
This is for Maureen.
3128
02:17:39,926 --> 02:17:42,804
[audience cheering]
3129
02:17:42,804 --> 02:17:44,139
[Wolf] She's been there
3130
02:17:44,139 --> 02:17:46,474
through the thick
and the thin,
3131
02:17:46,891 --> 02:17:49,978
and that's pretty darn rare.
3132
02:17:49,978 --> 02:17:52,188
♪ I wanna protect you ♪
3133
02:17:52,188 --> 02:17:54,232
♪ I wanna connect with you ♪
3134
02:17:54,232 --> 02:17:57,068
♪ I wanna affect you ♪
3135
02:17:57,068 --> 02:17:58,611
♪ I wanna reflect you ♪
3136
02:17:58,611 --> 02:18:01,239
♪ I wanna be your happy end ♪
3137
02:18:01,614 --> 02:18:03,742
♪ We start all over again ♪
3138
02:18:03,742 --> 02:18:05,910
♪ I wanna feel
The same pain you do ♪
3139
02:18:05,910 --> 02:18:08,413
♪ Dancing in the rain
With you ♪
3140
02:18:08,413 --> 02:18:11,833
The two of them, they're both
really lucky, you know?
3141
02:18:12,375 --> 02:18:13,960
And so is the dog.
3142
02:18:14,502 --> 02:18:16,921
[romantic rock song plays]
3143
02:18:29,976 --> 02:18:33,521
And now he's back, there's
no politics. [laughing]
3144
02:18:33,521 --> 02:18:35,940
For the moment, you know?
3145
02:18:36,691 --> 02:18:38,443
I mean,
he's still an activist.
3146
02:18:38,443 --> 02:18:40,653
It comes through
in the spirit of the music,
3147
02:18:40,653 --> 02:18:42,781
and in the way
that he plays it.
3148
02:18:44,616 --> 02:18:46,659
♪ Take it easy ♪
3149
02:18:46,659 --> 02:18:49,621
♪ Yeah yeah yeah... ♪
3150
02:18:49,621 --> 02:18:52,457
[Darlene] You know, Stevie
told me many years ago
3151
02:18:52,457 --> 02:18:55,418
rock and roll kept him alive,
3152
02:18:55,418 --> 02:18:59,339
and I really do believe
it's his religion.
3153
02:18:59,339 --> 02:19:02,467
♪ I don't know
If you realize it or not ♪
3154
02:19:02,467 --> 02:19:06,137
♪ Yeah yeah yeah ♪
3155
02:19:06,137 --> 02:19:09,474
♪ I don't know if you have
Cable TV or not ♪
3156
02:19:10,975 --> 02:19:13,978
♪ But outside
These walls right here ♪
3157
02:19:13,978 --> 02:19:16,106
♪ Yeah yeah yeah ♪
3158
02:19:16,106 --> 02:19:19,067
♪ The world is going
Fucking crazy... ♪
3159
02:19:19,067 --> 02:19:21,778
[audience cheering]
3160
02:19:21,778 --> 02:19:24,447
♪ And we're here tonight ♪
3161
02:19:25,532 --> 02:19:26,825
♪ For sanctuary ♪
3162
02:19:26,825 --> 02:19:29,577
[audience cheering]
3163
02:19:29,577 --> 02:19:31,579
♪ We're here tonight ♪
3164
02:19:31,579 --> 02:19:34,833
♪ For some
Spiritual nourishment ♪
3165
02:19:36,084 --> 02:19:37,502
That's right.
3166
02:19:37,502 --> 02:19:39,713
We come to this cathedral
3167
02:19:41,423 --> 02:19:43,675
for spiritual nourishment.
3168
02:19:45,010 --> 02:19:48,179
And there ain't no
spiritual nourishment
3169
02:19:48,638 --> 02:19:51,182
like real live music.
3170
02:19:51,182 --> 02:19:55,228
[cheering]
3171
02:19:55,228 --> 02:19:57,022
[Paul] He has this passion
3172
02:19:57,022 --> 02:19:59,065
for rock and roll,
3173
02:20:00,900 --> 02:20:02,736
but Stevie goes beyond.
3174
02:20:03,862 --> 02:20:05,905
♪ It makes you
Wanna say yeah ♪
3175
02:20:05,905 --> 02:20:07,449
- ♪ Yeah ♪
- ♪ Yeah... ♪
3176
02:20:07,449 --> 02:20:09,200
[Paul] A whole sort of
3177
02:20:09,200 --> 02:20:12,078
encyclopedic knowledge
of music.
3178
02:20:12,537 --> 02:20:15,540
You know, um,
I'd say I know quite a bit,
3179
02:20:16,041 --> 02:20:17,417
but he knows more.
3180
02:20:17,417 --> 02:20:19,544
♪ Something like that
Uh-huh ♪
3181
02:20:19,544 --> 02:20:22,422
- ♪ Yeah yeah ♪
- ♪ Uh, huh ♪
3182
02:20:22,422 --> 02:20:24,299
- ♪ Yeah ♪
- ♪ Yeah ♪
3183
02:20:24,299 --> 02:20:25,550
- ♪ Yeah ♪
- ♪ Yeah... ♪
3184
02:20:25,550 --> 02:20:27,218
[Maureen] The world
isn't going to get
3185
02:20:27,218 --> 02:20:28,595
everything you do.
3186
02:20:28,595 --> 02:20:31,389
The success to me is
that you had that vision,
3187
02:20:31,389 --> 02:20:32,891
and you followed through on it
3188
02:20:32,891 --> 02:20:34,851
and you went
all the way with it.
3189
02:20:34,851 --> 02:20:38,188
♪ Yeah give me some drums
Give me some drums ♪
3190
02:20:38,188 --> 02:20:39,564
- ♪ Yeah ♪
- ♪ Yeah ♪
3191
02:20:39,564 --> 02:20:41,066
- ♪ Yeah yeah ♪
- ♪ Yeah ♪
3192
02:20:41,483 --> 02:20:43,443
♪ A little bit louder now ♪
3193
02:20:43,443 --> 02:20:44,778
- ♪ Yeah ♪
- ♪ Yeah ♪
3194
02:20:44,778 --> 02:20:46,363
- ♪ Yeah ♪
- ♪ Oh yeah ♪
3195
02:20:46,363 --> 02:20:49,324
♪ Yeah a little bit
Louder, baby ♪
3196
02:20:49,324 --> 02:20:50,575
- ♪ Yeah ♪
- ♪ Oh yeah ♪
3197
02:20:50,575 --> 02:20:52,118
- ♪ Oh yeah ♪
- ♪ Yeah ♪
3198
02:20:52,118 --> 02:20:54,079
♪ Everybody sing now ♪
3199
02:20:54,079 --> 02:20:57,290
♪ Yeah yeah yeah ♪
3200
02:20:57,290 --> 02:20:59,250
♪ Everybody sing now ♪
3201
02:20:59,250 --> 02:21:00,543
♪ Yeah... ♪
3202
02:21:00,543 --> 02:21:02,212
[Bruce] The fact
that he manages
3203
02:21:02,212 --> 02:21:03,713
to put these things together,
3204
02:21:03,713 --> 02:21:05,715
and then the impact
that they have,
3205
02:21:05,715 --> 02:21:09,052
is a credit to his
belief in what he does.
3206
02:21:09,636 --> 02:21:12,180
♪ Yeah yeah yeah ♪
3207
02:21:12,180 --> 02:21:16,434
♪ Oooh... ♪
3208
02:21:16,434 --> 02:21:19,938
At the end of the day,
Steve's a true believer.
3209
02:21:19,938 --> 02:21:22,273
♪ Oh yeah ♪
3210
02:21:33,159 --> 02:21:35,245
[crowd cheering]
3211
02:21:35,245 --> 02:21:39,541
["Camouflage of Righteousness"
by Little Steven playing]
3212
02:22:19,914 --> 02:22:23,168
♪ The old men make excuses ♪
3213
02:22:23,168 --> 02:22:26,838
♪ While the young men
Bring the noise ♪
3214
02:22:26,838 --> 02:22:30,425
♪ And nothing ever changes ♪
3215
02:22:30,425 --> 02:22:34,387
♪ ‘Cause boys keep being boys ♪
3216
02:22:34,387 --> 02:22:37,807
♪ And the women
Just surrendered ♪
3217
02:22:37,807 --> 02:22:41,144
♪ While Cinderella slept ♪
3218
02:22:41,144 --> 02:22:44,898
♪ Now they know they've waited
Too long ♪
3219
02:22:44,898 --> 02:22:49,527
♪ There's nothing worth
Stealing left ♪
3220
02:22:50,153 --> 02:22:54,199
♪ Under the camouflage
Of righteousness ♪
3221
02:22:54,199 --> 02:22:57,869
♪ We supply the sins
While you confess ♪
3222
02:22:57,869 --> 02:23:03,541
♪ You're seduced by
The vampires' sweet caress ♪
3223
02:23:03,541 --> 02:23:09,714
♪ Behind the camouflage
Of righteousness ♪
3224
02:23:09,714 --> 02:23:12,926
♪ We give you politicians ♪
3225
02:23:12,926 --> 02:23:16,930
♪ And you call it choice ♪
3226
02:23:16,930 --> 02:23:20,183
♪ We let you do the voting ♪
3227
02:23:20,183 --> 02:23:24,062
♪ And you think
You have a voice ♪
3228
02:23:24,062 --> 02:23:27,691
♪ We control the information ♪
3229
02:23:27,691 --> 02:23:31,444
♪ And you call yourself
Informed ♪
3230
02:23:31,444 --> 02:23:34,698
♪ We give you our religion ♪
3231
02:23:34,698 --> 02:23:39,411
♪ And you believe it's yours ♪
3232
02:23:40,078 --> 02:23:44,040
♪ Under the camouflage
Of righteousness ♪
3233
02:23:44,040 --> 02:23:47,711
♪ We supply the sins
While you confess ♪
3234
02:23:47,711 --> 02:23:53,258
♪ You're seduced by
The vampires' sweet caress ♪
3235
02:23:53,258 --> 02:24:00,140
♪ Behind the camouflage
Of righteousness ♪
3236
02:24:36,217 --> 02:24:40,847
♪ Breathe,
Life is just a dream ♪
3237
02:24:40,847 --> 02:24:44,768
♪ Reach out and touch
The screen ♪
3238
02:24:45,518 --> 02:24:48,938
♪ We're here to soothe you ♪
3239
02:24:50,774 --> 02:24:52,067
♪ Relax ♪
3240
02:24:52,067 --> 02:24:55,236
♪ It's better
If you don't fight ♪
3241
02:24:55,945 --> 02:24:58,948
♪ Believe in the
Flickering light ♪
3242
02:24:58,948 --> 02:25:03,119
♪ We can't afford to lose you ♪
3243
02:25:19,844 --> 02:25:22,806
♪ We offer you diversion ♪
3244
02:25:22,806 --> 02:25:26,267
♪ On any channel you choose ♪
3245
02:25:26,267 --> 02:25:29,813
♪ We give you bread
And circus ♪
3246
02:25:29,813 --> 02:25:33,692
♪ And you still call it news ♪
3247
02:25:33,692 --> 02:25:37,195
♪ We orchestrate your hatred ♪
3248
02:25:37,195 --> 02:25:40,865
♪ It's as clear as white
And black ♪
3249
02:25:40,865 --> 02:25:44,202
♪ We select your history ♪
3250
02:25:44,202 --> 02:25:48,873
♪ And you believe it's fact ♪
3251
02:25:49,582 --> 02:25:53,712
♪ Under the camouflage
Of righteousness ♪
3252
02:25:53,712 --> 02:25:57,215
♪ We supply the sins
While you confess ♪
3253
02:25:57,215 --> 02:26:02,762
♪ You're seduced by
The vampires' sweet caress ♪
3254
02:26:03,304 --> 02:26:14,232
♪ Behind the camouflage
Of righteousness ♪
3255
02:26:14,232 --> 02:26:20,280
♪ Behind the camouflage... ♪
3256
02:26:30,248 --> 02:26:32,417
[music fades]