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Waiting for "Waterloo" by ABBA for Sweden.

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I miss her incredibly.

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Nearly not a day goes by
where I don't think about her.

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Agnetha Fältskog!

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Do you have a favorite outfit?

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Yes, personally I like jeans and pullover.

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You and Frida always look,
absolutely beautiful.

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Sometimes, I think...

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...that if I told people this...

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...they'd think I'm just lying.

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We loved each other.

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We want ABBA!

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The thing about fan worship...

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...It's a fantasy.

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Certain types of extreme fans
truly believe that they know them.

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You get a lot of letters and strange
things from slightly sick people.

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This was definitely idolatry
at its most extreme.

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He was the one who loved Abba the most.

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From eight years old he was like,
"I want her."

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This was someone
who took their infatuation

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one step, two steps, three steps further.

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Stalking is a pattern
of unwanted, fixated, obsessive behavior.

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It's very dangerous.

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The Dutchman who for several months
stalked and harassed Agnetha Fältskog

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was today convicted at Solna Tingsrätt.

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It was the beautiful blonde attacked
by a terrible, ugly man,

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but every story has two sides.

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She wrote me a letter.

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This is the proof I have
of us having a good relationship.

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This love story that he has created
isn't love. It's a crime.

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This man who stalked you,
is he still bothering you?

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I don't know if I can talk about that.
Due to security reasons, I can't.

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Today he was convicted of harassment.

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I've rarely heard a story with such
wild swings between euphoria and terror.

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- Do you still love her?
- Yes, I love her very much.

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COEVORDEN, NETHERLANDS

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22 YEARS AFTER THE VERDICT

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"Hello, Agnetha."

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"I will never send this letter,
and you will never read it."

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"But it feels good to write to you
anyway."

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"There's not a lot going on
here in Coevorden."

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"I still work at the warehouse."

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"You don't have to think very much.
I like that."

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"I think way too much otherwise."

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- Hello.
- Welcome.

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"I've begun seeing a therapist."

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"We spoke about you today.
About our relationship."

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"He wondered why things came to an end."

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"I didn't know how to reply."

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"Why did you break up with me?"

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It's very sensitive.

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Because...

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Because it's not over.

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Not for my part, at least.

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The thing is that I had a relationship
with a famous woman.

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And the woman keeps denying
that there was ever a relationship.

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And I'm in the papers again,

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with "he's stalking me
and ruining my life."

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It sounds strange, but when I tell people,
most people think:

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"He's lying like crazy. It can't be true."

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It's definitely a very unlikely story,
unbelievable story, I have to say.

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- Isn't it?
- You're free to say so.

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A man from the Netherlands
that's no Brad Pitt, so to say.

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That this has happened, so to say.
This is very special.

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When I heard
about his story I only knew very little.

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My picture was that he really did not have
a relationship with her.

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So I was just curious
what is his real story?

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Not only what's written in the media.

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CLASSMATE

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I went to elementary school
with Gert van der Graaf.

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And I remember him as a quiet boy.
He kept to himself.

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I don't remember Gert,
probably because nobody noticed him.

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But even then you should
remember somebody. It's just strange.

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It must have been hard on him as well.

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I didn't have a lot of friends as a child.

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I was a bit of a distant person.

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When I turned eight,
I got a turtle named Bram.

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As soon as I got home from school,
I gave him something to eat.

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Some minced meat or a worm or something.

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Bram was a sort of friend to me.
I developed a bond with him.

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He was always there for me.

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My sibling always brought home
classmates and they played together,

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but I was always alone at home, alone
in my room, playing with things I liked,

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or listening to music.

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Good evening, ladies and gentlemen.

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Welcome to
the 19th Eurovision Song Contest.

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I remember that I was eight years old.

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My dad sat down on the couch, and
we watched the Eurovision Song Contest.

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First it was England, then France...

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...and after that, it's Sweden.

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We move into Sweden,
the largest of the Scandinavian countries.

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Although we are looking at streets, it's
full of mountains, lakes, and forests.

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Of course it's full of blonde Vikings.
This is why it's good for pictures.

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These are ABBA.
If all the judges were men,

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I'm sure they would get a lot of votes.
You will see why in a minute.

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Their song is called "Waterloo."

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I remember that Agnetha and Frida
walked down some stairs

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and started singing "Waterloo."

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I've seen this a hundred thousand times.

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That evening, my life was changed.

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A new world opened up.

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I was caught by Agnetha's eyes.

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Those beautiful, blue eyes.

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They were pretty to look at, her eyes.

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I loved the song and started singing.
"Waterloo, Waterloo, Waterloo!"

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And I sang again. "Waterloo, Waterloo!"
Until my dad said:

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"Stop singing 'Waterloo'!
You're driving me crazy!"

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The winning song
of the 1974 Eurovision Song Contest.

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Sweden with "Waterloo," performed by ABBA.

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ABBA won, and I was really happy.

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After that night, I was mad about ABBA.

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As soon as the Eurovision Song Contest ended,

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I went up to my room and tried to set up
the radio to listen to "Waterloo" again.

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For the next number,
would you kids like to join us here?

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It's a song called "Waterloo"!

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The magic that happens
when ABBA plays is crazy.

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It was such a good song, so catchy
and fresh. They looked amazing.

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We got the song that won by the Swedish
group ABBA. It's about Waterloo.

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Eurovision was the perfect
launching pad to go international.

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Suddenly we've reached take-off,
and the rocket lifts off. "Oh my God."

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They are ABBA and their song that
everyone wants to hear is at number 1.

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In the '70s, there was an ABBA hysteria.

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They had millions of fans
from all around the world.

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In Australia,
more people watched ABBA on TV

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than watched the coverage
of the first man landing on the moon.

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They had the whole package.

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Geeky guys, gorgeous girls,
fabulous music. It's irresistible.

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ABBA is already
selling hundreds of thousands

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of records in the US.

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They were touring, revered, loved,
cracking America, cracking countries.

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They were huge.

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We're proud of what we've accomplished,

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and that's what we want the world to know.

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They were the modern Beatles.

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How does it feel to be an idol?

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I'm exhausted!

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Gert sets his sights on Agnetha
from a very young age.

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This attraction was about her beauty
and what she symbolized.

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It wasn't that she was a great singer
or that they were a great band.

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"I love their music. It makes me want
to dance." It was all about her.

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Gert has loved Agnetha
since he was eight years old.

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It's hard to get rid
of an obsession like that.

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Here is a collection of CDs.

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Agnetha's complete Swedish repertoire.

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And here I've got lots of movies,
Swedish movies.

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Fifteen years ago, I wrote the book "Fans"
about idolatry and obsession.

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That's when I met Gert van der Graaf.

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I've got a few t-shirts as well.

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Everything I have is Swedish.

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I interviewed Gert van der Graaf
for three days.

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One reason why I wrote "Fans"

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was that I myself have been a fan
of a number of artists.

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So I could relate, in part,
to his extreme devotion.

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My room was in the attic.
There I could be alone,

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and I started gathering information
about ABBA and Sweden.

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I collected things, I read magazines,
and I watched Swedish movies.

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Emil of Lönneberga, Pippi Longstocking.

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Gert loves Sweden,
and he has a pretty idealized,

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Astrid Lindgren-based image
of Sweden as a nation.

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I liked Volvo, Saab, Scania, Volvo trucks.

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Electrolux, Ikea, Husqvarna.

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Swedish food.

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Salisbury steak, minute steak,
hot dogs, falukorv sausage...

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I loved everything that had to do
with Sweden and ABBA.

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Perhaps this can be compared with
how some people have a hole inside,

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and then they find Jesus.

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ABBA may have become
an ersatz family or circle of friends.

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Since he didn't have any other friends,
other than a turtle,

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he could dive into these records,

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into the glittering world
that ABBA offered.

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He found something that he could focus on,
fixate on, and fantasize about.

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Then it became... It grew into a fixation,
a delusion, a fantasy.

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ABBA's music worked as a medicine for him.

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It healed his soul,

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and Agnetha Fältskog became his
obsession, his love, and his worship.

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When I was a teenager,
the others in my class

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started getting boyfriends
and girlfriends.

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I went home and listened to ABBA.

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I became more and more interested
in Agnetha.

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A very Happy New year
to all our Dutch viewers.

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- From Frida.
- From Benny.

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- And from Björn.
- And from Agnetha.

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It could feel deep down inside
that Agnetha was becoming interesting.

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I think she's amazing.

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Where did you meet? Is it a long story?

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Oh, it's a long story.

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At first I met Björn, and Frida met Benny.
Then we got together later.

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- And joined up as a foursome.
- But we met as friends.

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Agnetha was my first true love.

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But unfortunately,
she was married to Björn.

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You've almost been promoted as...

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From the beginning it's been very clear
that you are two couples.

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You're a tight unit where you're
not only recording, singing, touring,

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but you're married to each other! It's not
like they, "How was your day at work?"

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"I've been with you in the studio. We're
writing songs, singing, arguing, touring."

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That's intense.

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Something earth-shattering is happening

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in the personal lives
of Agnetha and Björn,

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causing upheaval
in journalists' minds: a divorce.

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- As you can see, we are good friends.
- Oh.

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In 1979, she divorced Björn.

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We don't want to discuss it anymore,
at least not I.

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And there I saw an opening for perhaps
getting a close contact with her.

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Gert and I were members
of an ABBA fan club.

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GERT'S PEN-PAL

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He was one of the many people
who I used to exchange letters with.

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He always focused on Agnetha.

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I myself was a big fan of Frida.
She was my idol.

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So we talked a lot about such things,

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but for him it was always about Agnetha.

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The goal was to meet Agnetha.

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The very first letter,
I wrote from the Netherlands.

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I didn't speak Swedish then,
so I tried writing in English,

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which I had learnt a bit in school.

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I didn't have her address,
so I just wrote "ABBA, Agnetha, Sweden."

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I didn't get a reply, so I continued
to write letters,

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hoping they would arrive.

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Many fans could handle it normally.

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Posters on the wall,
perhaps go to a concert

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and perhaps get a chance of meeting them
to get a picture and an autograph.

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That would be enough for them.
But never for him.

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Being a fan is a part of growing up.
I think that's healthy, actually,

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to feel that you belong to something,
a group, a collective, a shared identity.

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But the problem comes
when fan becomes fanatical.

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This is where things can really mushroom
and blow out of all proportion.

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Please sit down.

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The papers have been full of stories
that you're going to split, eventually.

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- You're not?
- No.

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- Are you quitting, or will you keep going?
- We've been asked that from the beginning.

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When will we stop?
When will ABBA fall apart?

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That's still just as difficult
to give an answer to.

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We've said that we'll continue
as long as it's fun,

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and as long as we have
something to give, musically.

236
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IS ABBA BREAKING UP?

237
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The fact that you only had
two couples and they both divorce.

238
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You've got no band anymore.

239
00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:06,960
So really, the end of those two marriages
was the end of ABBA.

240
00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:13,400
It was a very sad time.

241
00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:18,960
To have such an amazing, euphoric career
and success in the music business

242
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and then you are splitting as a group
and as a couple.

243
00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:27,360
For them it was awful.

244
00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:31,280
For the fans, too.

245
00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:38,400
In 1982, when ABBA broke up,
Gert was heartbroken.

246
00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:41,800
Until he read that Agnetha Fältskog
was going for a solo career.

247
00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:44,960
Agnetha Fältskog, welcome to Britain.

248
00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:48,720
You're here to promote an album coming out
later in the month.

249
00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:54,880
The album comes the last of May, and it's
called "Wrap Your Arms Around Me".

250
00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:56,080
I might.

251
00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:02,520
She went on a promotion tour of Europe
and performed in a Dutch TV program.

252
00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:11,880
I knew that Agnetha was coming. But I
wasn't allowed to go by my mom and dad.

253
00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:19,480
So I skipped school and biked
as quickly as I could

254
00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:22,000
about 50 kilometers to Aalsmeer.

255
00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:38,240
Hi. Welcome to Holland, Agnetha.

256
00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:42,720
It's a great honor for us
to have you here in our show.

257
00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:45,400
- It's so nice to be here.
- Yeah.

258
00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:52,120
There she was, for real, in front of me.

259
00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:56,200
Live in RAI, Agnetha Fältskog.

260
00:22:56,280 --> 00:23:00,360
It was the greatest dream I'd had.

261
00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:07,400
She looked out into the audience
when she was singing,

262
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:11,040
and I felt that she looked straight at me.

263
00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:21,080
She gave me a very special look.

264
00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:28,640
- We love you.
- I love you.

265
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,520
I wanted to get even closer.

266
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:46,880
That's when I decided that one day,
I would go to Sweden.

267
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,640
And try to find her.

268
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:55,160
The delusions that come from stalkers
are the stories

269
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:59,000
that they play over and over,
the fantasies.

270
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:04,280
It comes from, "Oh, they looked at me.
They were seeking me out."

271
00:24:04,360 --> 00:24:06,680
Then this whole story plays out
in their head.

272
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:12,200
In his mind, now it's just cemented,
these feelings that he's had.

273
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:18,480
He is determined that he will
get her attention and win her affection.

274
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:26,960
I had no money, no car,
not even a driver's license,

275
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:29,160
and I couldn't speak Swedish.

276
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:32,880
So I worked really hard
to realize my dream.

277
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:40,080
Gert gathered return bottles,
worked at a patisserie, in a warehouse.

278
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:43,200
He saved all his money
and allowed himself no excesses.

279
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:46,040
The goal was to get to Sweden.

280
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:54,840
He devoted his entire existence
to getting to this woman.

281
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:59,200
His role on this planet, this Earth,
this life was to be with her.

282
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:02,320
He just went for it.
"What the heck? I don't have anything."

283
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,840
"Let's go for it. Let's see what happens."

284
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:12,800
I got my driver's license, I bought
a Volvo, and I took lessons in Swedish.

285
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:20,760
It took many years, but when I was 28,
I could at last make my dream come true.

286
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,960
She's celebrated,
successful and beautiful.

287
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:38,600
He's a Dutch weirdo.
All the odds are against a romance.

288
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,160
All the odds were against a romance.

289
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:48,760
You watching "Waterloo",
ABBA videos and concerts...

290
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:53,640
That's a one in ten million chance that
you will have a relationship with her.

291
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:55,160
It's unbelievable.

292
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:07,840
It felt absolutely wonderful.
I almost kissed the ground when I arrived.

293
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:11,680
I was finally in my dream country.

294
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:21,080
The first time I went to Sweden,
I had a map exactly like this one.

295
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:27,120
So I ended up in Halmstad
and followed the E6 to Gothenburg.

296
00:26:29,120 --> 00:26:31,280
Gert drove along the west coast.

297
00:26:31,360 --> 00:26:36,040
He had heard that Agnetha had
a house near the Norwegian border...

298
00:26:36,120 --> 00:26:38,200
...which she didn't.

299
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,920
He visited cities in Sweden,
and in every city,

300
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:50,080
he went to a phone booth
and checked the phone book

301
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:53,120
looking up Fältskog
to see if she lived there.

302
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:59,080
Finally, he came to Jönköping,
the city that Agnetha Fältskog is from.

303
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:01,920
I was hoping to find her there.

304
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,280
I found the address
of an Agnetha Fältskog.

305
00:27:05,360 --> 00:27:07,000
I could barely believe it.

306
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:11,600
I bought flowers and chocolate
and went to the address.

307
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:17,200
I pressed the buzzer and waited.
I was so nervous.

308
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:21,000
And when the door opened...

309
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:26,920
...it was the wrong Agnetha.

310
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:33,640
That made me a bit disappointed,
but in Jönköping, I met another ABBA fan.

311
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,280
She told me
that Agnetha lived in Stockholm.

312
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:44,880
Stockholm was so beautiful,
an old city yet at the same time modern.

313
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:50,200
But it was big,
a lot bigger than I'd expected.

314
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:56,840
When I realized how big Stockholm was,
I started to lose hope.

315
00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:02,840
I got lost everywhere I went. I was
thinking that I'd never find her here.

316
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:13,320
Agnetha Fältskog lived out on Ekerö
and rarely came into the city.

317
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:18,200
She was a very reclusive artist surrounded
by myths, Pop Sweden's Greta Garbo.

318
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:31,960
You won't believe this,

319
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:37,840
but by coincidence I ended up
at Skytteholm, a hotel on Ekerö.

320
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:45,400
He claims he went there
looking for cheap accommodation,

321
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,760
not because he knew
that Agnetha Fältskog lived on Ekerö.

322
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:52,040
He claims that he ended up there
by coincidence.

323
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,480
There's never a coincidence.

324
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:59,720
They plan out how they're going
to get up close and personal.

325
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:05,000
For the stalker, that's when they come
alive and are connected to this person.

326
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,480
At the hotel, I met a bartender.

327
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:19,240
I told him that I was a fan
and was looking for Agnetha in Stockholm.

328
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:25,960
He took paper and a pen
and started drawing a map.

329
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:32,200
Apparently,
she lived ten minutes from there.

330
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,320
So I drove there.

331
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:49,360
Gert drove out to her large estate
thinking, "Wow, this is where she lives."

332
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:56,560
I think he brought Dutch Gouda cheese
and some tulips with him.

333
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:07,240
Agnetha was driving out, and the two
nearly crashed into each other.

334
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:12,320
Gert was thinking, "Oh, no.
What if I had crashed into my great idol?"

335
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,920
It was the first time I saw her.

336
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:22,720
I was a bit sorry
that I did something like that.

337
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:26,400
Maybe she got shocked or scared.

338
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:32,240
I drove back to Skytteholm and drank
a coffee to calm my nerves a bit.

339
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,600
I was thinking about how
the next time would be.

340
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:42,960
But then it happened.

341
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:51,440
According to Gert,
they met at a parking lot at Skytteholm.

342
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:55,320
Agnetha was out on a walk,
and it was her birthday.

343
00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:59,040
I couldn't believe my eyes.

344
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:04,160
I was caught by surprise
that she was at the same place as me.

345
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:11,520
She was walking with a man.
I didn't know who that person was.

346
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,400
I was both happy and worried
at the same time.

347
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,600
I said, "Happy birthday, Agnetha."

348
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:25,440
I saw it in her eyes
that she got a bit happy.

349
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:30,040
Already by that time,
I felt there was something between us.

350
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:37,080
In some way, we had a strong connection.
I felt that something clicked between us.

351
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,760
You've got to look at
it from Agnetha's point of view.

352
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:51,240
A fan says "Happy birthday".
She's going to respond in a nice way.

353
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:56,280
But the way Gert's taken that,
is completely different

354
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:59,320
and he's built his own fantasy
of what that means.

355
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:04,960
Gert felt that something magical happened
between them when they first talked.

356
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:09,240
I have a hard time believing that
Agnetha Fältskog felt something similar.

357
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:10,760
Agnetha Fältskog.

358
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:22,840
- I think you didn't expect that.
- Did you just fall?

359
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:29,320
I can understand
that people are big fans of Agnetha.

360
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,280
She is such a great artist.

361
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:36,520
I can imagine many boys
must have had a crush on her.

362
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,640
Agnetha has to put up
with her butt all the time.

363
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:41,920
And her blonde hair, I guess.

364
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:47,600
I see that as a positive thing,
but other things may be less positive.

365
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:52,200
She's more than "I'm so pretty."
She had the talent as well.

366
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:55,840
Obviously, the looks are great.
Lots of pop stars just look good,

367
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,440
but she was also an amazing performer.

368
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:02,280
How long did it take you
to record the album?

369
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:06,520
- Between two and three years.
- That's quite a long time.

370
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:12,480
Everybody was in love with Agnetha.
She was a fantastic songwriter.

371
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:14,080
We love you!

372
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:17,280
- Thank you.
- What did that woman say?

373
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:20,000
"I love you. We love you."

374
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:25,080
Agnetha Fältskog is one of the most
iconic Swedish women of all time.

375
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:30,520
Her charisma, her presence and her look
left a deep impression in music history.

376
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:38,880
My name is Leif Schulman. I've worked
as a journalist since the seventies.

377
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:45,360
Through my work I've often come into
contact with ABBA throughout the years.

378
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:55,200
We met privately at different parties.
I have a memory of one of these parties

379
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:59,600
seeing Agnetha getting up
and going to the living room floor

380
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:01,160
where people were dancing.

381
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:06,120
She stood there listening, humming, and
dancing a bit to the music. As people did.

382
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:12,240
In my view, she was this great artist,
but here she was just a normal girl.

383
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,160
She loved to sing and stand on the stage,

384
00:34:21,240 --> 00:34:25,400
but what she didn't like was the touring.

385
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:31,840
ABBA on one side
and the children and family on the other.

386
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:36,120
- How does it work, Agnetha?
- Of course it's also a problem.

387
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:42,880
Because you always feel guilty
that you don't have enough time for them.

388
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:49,400
The children always need you. Even though
they're ten they need you as much.

389
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:56,800
She definitely wasn't comfortable
in the star roll.

390
00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:03,160
She has always been the girl next door.
She was never really the star.

391
00:35:03,240 --> 00:35:06,560
She was and still is
the girl from Jönköping.

392
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:08,480
It shines through her.

393
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:15,640
- I am like everybody else.
- That's exactly what you are not.

394
00:35:15,720 --> 00:35:19,280
Yes, I am. I'm so very ordinary.

395
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:32,600
I got such a strong feeling
from our first encounter.

396
00:35:34,240 --> 00:35:39,440
So I started dreaming
of Agnetha becoming my girlfriend.

397
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:48,480
When I got back home to Holland,
I started planning my next trip to Sweden.

398
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:55,440
I traveled perhaps 30 times
between Holland and Sweden.

399
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,880
Back and forth, back and forth.

400
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,080
I wrote a hundred letters, at least.

401
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:11,400
In the letters,
I wrote which dates I was in Ekerö.

402
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:15,360
I didn't get any replies,
but I never gave up.

403
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,800
I tried to be in places

404
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:31,280
where I could I get a feel
of where she used to go.

405
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:34,720
Everybody needs to go out to eat
sometimes where you live.

406
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,640
- So that was only a plan, then?
- It was already a plan, yes.

407
00:36:37,720 --> 00:36:44,680
Then I knew which sushi bar
she used to get take-away,

408
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:50,760
where she went to eat out,
and where she used to shop.

409
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:54,960
I knew where she went on walks,
which car she drove...

410
00:36:56,080 --> 00:37:02,400
Yes, I kept track of that.
I kept an eye on it.

411
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:08,720
It's terrifying when another human being
spends all their time

412
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:14,880
and commits to researching
and hunting another human being.

413
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,440
That's what we should call it.
Hunting humans.

414
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:25,680
In order for a stalker to
stop, they must recognize that it's wrong.

415
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:28,640
I think that's where the problem lies,

416
00:37:28,720 --> 00:37:33,840
because if you allow this delusion,
this fixation, to fester

417
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,080
it just evolves.

418
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:46,320
I commuted every weekend to Ekerö.
It was really frustrating.

419
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:49,800
Staying at hotels was getting expensive.

420
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:55,120
Later on, he discovered that there was
a small house nearby, on Ekerö.

421
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,640
This small house was for sale.

422
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:04,000
He thought that if he stayed there,
he could even get to know Agnetha.

423
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:09,520
So in May of '97,
I bought a house on Ekerö.

424
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:13,000
Eight hundred meters from Agnetha's house?

425
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:24,000
It takes his stalking to another level.

426
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:32,400
It shows how obsessed he was with her
and how extremely fixated he was on her.

427
00:38:36,240 --> 00:38:38,840
It must be quite unusual
even for a stalker

428
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,120
to get a mortgage and buy a cabin

429
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:44,240
to live near the person you're fixated on.

430
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:56,760
For ten years,
I was followed and chased wherever I went.

431
00:38:56,840 --> 00:39:00,440
It felt difficult sometimes
to never be left alone.

432
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:04,600
Sometimes I just long for a place
where I can be by myself.

433
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:11,560
Agnetha, the blonder singer of ABBA.

434
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:16,600
The songs are still heard,
but Agnetha is no longer seen.

435
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:20,440
The superstar has turned her back
against the music and the audience.

436
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:29,120
From '92 to '93, Agnetha Fältskog
disappeared from public life completely.

437
00:39:32,720 --> 00:39:35,680
She says no to every interview,
shuns the outside world,

438
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:40,200
and has even employed a security
company to keep curious people far away.

439
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:47,720
I've had it with traveling
and barren hotel rooms over the years.

440
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,920
Many times I've been in some place
missing home,

441
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,960
where I can be myself with the kids.

442
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:00,160
AGNETHA'S DARKEST
SECRET REVEALED

443
00:40:00,240 --> 00:40:03,840
In the early nineties Agnetha had
some difficulties in her family.

444
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:07,640
THIS IS WHERE HER MOM FELL

445
00:40:07,720 --> 00:40:12,960
Her father died. Her mother committed
suicide. Terrible. You're in shock.

446
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:19,560
You need comfort, you need compassion.
Someone has to understand you.

447
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:29,080
Agnetha Fältskog had recently
been through her second divorce.

448
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:31,640
She had also lost both her parents.

449
00:40:31,720 --> 00:40:37,080
Not long after that,
Stikkan Anderson passed away.

450
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:40,400
ABBA's discoverer and manager.

451
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:45,200
Stig Anderson is first out.

452
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:48,400
Stikkan Anderson
is dead, the music publisher,

453
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:50,560
lyricist, and father of ABBA.

454
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:54,160
That is how
he will be remembered by the world.

455
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:01,160
I thought Agnetha
would be broken by sorrow.

456
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:08,120
And I wanted to be there
when she needed me.

457
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:16,720
He gets into his car after a long shift
at the warehouse

458
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:21,760
and speeds off toward Sweden to help her
in this difficult moment.

459
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:30,640
I wanted to help and support her,
the same way her music had done for me.

460
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:50,840
I fell asleep by the wheel
and overturned my car.

461
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:00,680
I lost control of the wheel.

462
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:06,640
I overturned all the way up
to that bridge, the viaduct.

463
00:42:06,720 --> 00:42:12,520
The car was totaled, and I was
brought to the hospital in Södertälje.

464
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:16,840
It wasn't that bad.
I was tired, that was pretty much it.

465
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:23,720
But this accident
turned out to be a blessing in disguise.

466
00:42:26,240 --> 00:42:29,720
He writes a letter to Agnetha
from his hospital bed.

467
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,720
He goes back to his house on Ekerö,

468
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:36,400
and the following evening,
there's a knock on his door.

469
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:43,200
I was doing the dishes
and looked out the window.

470
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:47,720
Then I suddenly see two women
approaching my house.

471
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:50,120
It was Agnetha and her friend.

472
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,440
I couldn't believe my eyes.

473
00:43:04,720 --> 00:43:11,240
My greatest idol, the one who
I'm in love with, knocked on my door.

474
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:17,040
She wanted to know
how I was feeling after the accident.

475
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:22,280
I was really, really nervous.

476
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:26,760
I had worked so hard
to get close to Agnetha.

477
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:29,120
And now, she was the one who came to me.

478
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:33,120
I still cannot believe it.

479
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:42,000
According to Gert, Agnetha Fältskog
came back later that night.

480
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:47,200
That's when they got
more acquainted with each other.

481
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:54,880
We had an amazing time.

482
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:59,280
I could never have imagined that
I was going to have an evening like that.

483
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:06,320
Agnetha was the first woman
I had sex with.

484
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:11,880
It was magical.
It was like a force from within.

485
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:18,720
I was so happy to have spent
my first night with my idol.

486
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:24,080
I fell in madly love with her.
It was incredible.

487
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:33,360
It's an incredible dream story,
to be honest.

488
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:37,400
You could never have predicted that
when you were 16.

489
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:43,320
You might hope or fantasize.
A lot of people do.

490
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:45,520
You don't make things like that up,
do you?

491
00:44:46,240 --> 00:44:47,560
You're not making this up?

492
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:55,760
You have to tie a lot of threads together
to make up a story like that.

493
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:58,080
A very special one.

494
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:04,680
- Yes. Is it strange?
- Not strange but rare, maybe. Isn't it?

495
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:07,440
You're a psychologist,
do you find it strange?

496
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:12,320
Yes, well, it's rare.
It's something you wouldn't expect.

497
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:19,240
What I find insulting is that when
you say something no one believes you.

498
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:22,320
People don't believe
the things you're telling me.

499
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:33,280
He claims he slept with Agnetha.
He had sex with her. I doubt it.

500
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:38,320
But there was one thing
that was strange for me.

501
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:45,120
When I was reading the magazines,
I saw a picture of that man and Agnetha.

502
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:56,080
In this photo,
I'm sitting next to Agnetha.

503
00:45:56,160 --> 00:46:00,760
We're sitting here, holding hands
and in love. You can tell we are.

504
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:05,440
Wow. Wow.

505
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:11,480
She looks very happy.
That's not her ABBAtar, is it?

506
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:15,520
He claims they were sitting
on a couch, hand in hand.

507
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:19,040
You can see them on the couch,
but not hand in hand.

508
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:29,400
They are sitting close, so they must've
been more than celebrity and stalker.

509
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:33,320
There must have been
some kind of connection.

510
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:36,760
Otherwise you won't sit
that close together on the couch.

511
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:39,880
Do you have more photos of the two of you?

512
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:46,200
Of us together? Not really.

513
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:51,120
But this one is important.

514
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:55,200
I have seen so many photos
of people with their arms around stars.

515
00:46:55,280 --> 00:47:01,120
I have no idea what that photo means.
It means there was a photo taken.

516
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:04,560
Fine. There are two people.
One of them appears to be Agnetha.

517
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:07,320
Where are you?

518
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:13,040
My mom took this picture of us
in my house, on my birthday.

519
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:17,520
I have these floral wallpapers
in my house.

520
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:27,520
I've been to that cabin and have seen
the photos of her in that couch.

521
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:30,480
The same couch I and Gert sat in...

522
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:35,600
So, she's been to his home
and it's absolutely incredible.

523
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:42,720
When you see the photo, you don't
really think that they're crazy in love.

524
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:49,520
They're sitting in the couch together,
but something about the photo is off.

525
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:56,080
This is the proof I have
of us having a good relationship.

526
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:58,600
Unbelievable.

527
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:03,960
I couldn't believe it.

528
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:06,840
It was a fairytale.

529
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:12,000
We met up several times a week.

530
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:16,240
We went for walks and had organic meals.

531
00:48:17,720 --> 00:48:22,800
We drove to the city
and did smaller excursions.

532
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:28,400
We did things together
just like any other couple.

533
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:31,520
We enjoyed the nature here.

534
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:37,440
She said that she had started to like me
and was falling in love.

535
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:42,160
It was nice to sit here with her,
having a cinnamon bun.

536
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:51,920
I thought Agnetha would fall in love
with an artist or something else.

537
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:53,920
Not with me.

538
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:58,360
I was a regular warehouse worker.
But that's what happened.

539
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:06,560
Agnetha, she was, at that stage,
quite reclusive.

540
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:14,760
It was a time
where she basically was vulnerable.

541
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:21,440
There were a lot of negative things
in her life.

542
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:27,920
And I feel that that retreatment made her
more vulnerable to certain types.

543
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:36,160
Did the media, press or friends know
that she had that relationship with you?

544
00:49:36,240 --> 00:49:40,080
No, we were really careful about
not being caught on camera together.

545
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:43,560
- Why?
- Why? Yeah...

546
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:48,480
I think Agnetha thought
it was a bit too exciting.

547
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:54,520
We went into town
and had dinner in the evenings

548
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:57,560
or went to Stockholm,
picked up sushi or something.

549
00:49:57,640 --> 00:49:59,440
But she mostly stayed in the car.

550
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:06,880
When you're in love and with that person,

551
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:10,760
you can be afraid of losing
the one you love.

552
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:14,840
Then you'll get jealous.

553
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:21,960
Gert and Agnetha once went to the cinema
to watch Colin Nutley's "Under the Sun."

554
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:26,560
We sat next to each other
watching the movie.

555
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:33,360
Agnetha felt that I stared too much
at Helena Bergström.

556
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:40,200
We had a huge fight in the car.

557
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:46,200
I explained to her
that she's the only one I want.

558
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:48,160
It didn't help.

559
00:50:48,240 --> 00:50:52,320
After nearly a year together,
she broke up with me.

560
00:50:56,120 --> 00:51:01,920
I wrote her letters where I explained
that I only loved her.

561
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:11,960
One beautiful day, Agnetha called me
and wanted to talk by the church in Ekerö.

562
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:15,880
Agnetha called me.

563
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:22,440
"I'll be by the church
at half past seven."

564
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:25,560
"Will you be there?"

565
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:29,240
"Yes, I will. I want to talk with you."

566
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:33,360
"If you don't come,
we'll never talk again."

567
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:38,880
She didn't go out, but waved at me
to come over to her car.

568
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:40,960
We didn't have to say anything.

569
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:44,720
She gave me a hug
and said that she had missed me.

570
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:49,720
Yes, it's sad.

571
00:51:57,920 --> 00:51:59,800
We went to the west coast for a holiday.

572
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:07,120
Skummeslövsstrand is a special place.

573
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:10,560
We walked all this way here.

574
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:12,240
And then we stood there,

575
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:18,600
and listened to the water and the sound
of the waves and had a good time.

576
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:30,920
Agnetha started a serious conversation
about our relationship,

577
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:34,000
and if we could live together.

578
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:40,640
In the fall '97, I decided
to move permanently to Sweden.

579
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:47,720
For me, there was only one person.
One woman.

580
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:53,000
I used to tell her,
"You must never leave me."

581
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:04,440
He asked me if he could work for me.

582
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:08,640
We're an agency for warehouse workers
around Stockholm.

583
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:14,600
I was impressed because he had come
from the Netherlands to Sweden,

584
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:16,880
and that he spoke Swedish.

585
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:20,960
He told me that it was love
that brought him to Sweden.

586
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:25,240
His girlfriend's name was Agnetha
and she lived in Stockholm.

587
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:30,320
I promised Agnetha not to talk about us.

588
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:33,480
I said that I have a girlfriend
and her name is Agnetha, and that's all.

589
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:38,280
I didn't find it strange.
I understood. Because love...

590
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:41,080
Love can push any man incredibly far.

591
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:45,920
I got the job, and I really enjoyed it.

592
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:52,360
He did well. He got to work on time,
he was never sick. He was great.

593
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:59,720
I felt so happy in Sweden, but since
we kept the relationship to ourselves,

594
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:03,280
it didn't feel right.

595
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:09,920
Gert was supposed
to get hired by a client.

596
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:12,600
They interviewed him.

597
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:17,400
After that, the client calls me and says:
"I can't hire Gert."

598
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:21,400
I was surprised. "Why not?"

599
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:23,520
"He's a liar."

600
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:29,040
"A liar?" "He says he's in a relationship
with Agnetha Fältskog."

601
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:35,800
It was unbelievable.

602
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:39,640
I can imagine her being his idol, but...

603
00:54:39,720 --> 00:54:44,960
But that Agnetha Fältskog and Gert
would meet

604
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:48,040
and fall in love...

605
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:54,200
That's... I couldn't see it.
I don't think anyone could.

606
00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:01,400
You don't hear those stories every day.

607
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:07,320
I knew where he lived. I had his address.
So I started to examine it.

608
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:19,280
It was very unlikely
that they would be together.

609
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:25,520
I was more concerned about him
moving here to be able to stalk her.

610
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:31,680
I called him up to my office

611
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:35,640
and told him
that he can't say things like that.

612
00:55:35,720 --> 00:55:38,600
"But I am in a relationship with her."

613
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:43,000
That can't be real.
Agnetha is an icon in Sweden.

614
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:49,560
She's famous, and you're from the
Netherlands and work in a warehouse.

615
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:53,000
"I struggle to believe this, Gert."

616
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:58,160
I called the police and asked them,

617
00:55:58,240 --> 00:56:01,320
"Do you know if Agnetha Fältskog
is stalked by anyone?"

618
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:04,200
They said no.

619
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:07,080
I guess they wouldn't have told me
even if she was.

620
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:15,840
I can understand why people didn't
believe me, because it was a bit odd.

621
00:56:17,720 --> 00:56:24,600
That made me sad,
so sad that I stayed home from work.

622
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:26,600
He got angry with me.

623
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:31,640
"Why are you lying?"

624
00:56:31,720 --> 00:56:35,480
That's what I was thinking.
Why would he lie about things like this?

625
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:42,760
I was told in a letter

626
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:45,920
that he was in a relationship with Agnetha.

627
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:52,440
That it was a secret
that I couldn't tell anyone.

628
00:56:56,520 --> 00:57:01,320
I was told that if I wanted
to make a trip to Sweden,

629
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:05,200
I would get to meet Agnetha, and he said...

630
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:08,720
Frida was my big idol.
Maybe something could be arranged.

631
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:16,080
I suspected something wasn't quite right.

632
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:21,080
I thought it was some sort of fantasy
that he was trying to involve me in.

633
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:28,760
I ignored that letter and didn't reply.
I moved on with my life.

634
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:35,920
But I've often thought, "If I had gone,
what would have happened?"

635
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:40,520
Let's see...

636
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:46,760
Let's see... This one...

637
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:54,280
She missed the tenderness and there
has to be a way for us to continue.

638
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:58,280
She wrote me a letter.

639
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:00,760
"Thank you for all the love
you've shown me."

640
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:04,400
"Thanks for not giving up
on looking for me."

641
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:09,400
Gert showed me a letter
Agnetha Fältskog had given him.

642
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:13,960
She had written, "Thanks for
not giving up on looking for me."

643
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:20,040
She thanked him for his strong devotion.

644
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:30,160
Here... October 12, 1998.

645
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:36,640
"Hello, Gert. I have wanted to leave
everything at home so many times."

646
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:40,720
"To run up to you to tell you"

647
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:46,080
"how much I love you.
I miss you incredibly much."

648
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:51,680
The letters I have from her...
They're not many,

649
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:54,720
but she wrote letters. That's the truth.

650
00:58:55,920 --> 00:59:00,080
If these go missing...

651
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:04,520
That would destroy me.

652
00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:09,880
I would never be able to handle that.
I look after these.

653
00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:15,600
Do you think
that Agnetha wrote these letters?

654
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:21,000
Or is there anything
that speaks against it?

655
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:34,160
I think they're real.
I'm almost sure of it.

656
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:37,360
What do you think? Have you heard
anything suggesting they're not?

657
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:44,640
I wanted to take the next step,
to live together.

658
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:50,680
But she pushed the brakes all the time.

659
00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:58,160
Everything was on her conditions.

660
00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:04,960
She snuck out to my house.
I wasn't allowed to go to hers.

661
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:12,080
FÄLTSKOG'S SECRET
50TH BIRTHDAY PARTY

662
01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:16,680
Agnetha was turning 50
and was having a big party.

663
01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:21,240
I wasn't invited to the party.

664
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:25,520
That was quite sad for me.

665
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:36,040
One evening after work,
I was at Agnetha's place.

666
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:41,680
She said that she had
something important to tell me.

667
01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:47,920
She didn't want to see me anymore,
so she broke up with me.

668
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:53,040
That was hard to take in.

669
01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:02,120
At that time, Bram died.

670
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:05,000
My beloved turtle.

671
01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:15,480
I lost the two that I loved the most
in the whole world.

672
01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:31,680
Thank you.

673
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:43,360
I'm still trying to understand...

674
01:01:45,080 --> 01:01:46,080
her reasons.

675
01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:51,400
Why she broke up with me.

676
01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:58,720
I haven't really received an answer
to that question.

677
01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:04,640
You don't think the reason can be
that she wasn't in love with you anymore?

678
01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:08,560
I don't think so. To first be in love,

679
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:14,320
so in love that she once wrote

680
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:18,320
that our relationship just kept growing,

681
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:21,720
and then choose to end it
two months later...

682
01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:24,360
I don't understand that.

683
01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:30,080
It's impossible.

684
01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:34,840
In my experience... I don't
know any stalker that would accept no.

685
01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:38,640
For them it's their right,
and their entitlement,

686
01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:41,000
to behave in the way that they are.
It's all about them.

687
01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:50,120
They won't accept no, and it's difficult
to take them off this pathway.

688
01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:53,040
They don't want to stop this behavior.
They want to carry on.

689
01:03:05,080 --> 01:03:10,840
It was hard to understand
that it was completely over.

690
01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:19,520
I wrote a letter to her and asked her
to meet me at Ekerö Church.

691
01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:26,280
Just like she told me
over the phone earlier.

692
01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:34,640
I went there and waited,
but she never showed up.

693
01:03:35,720 --> 01:03:37,520
Unfortunately.

694
01:03:44,080 --> 01:03:47,280
I did my best too, of course,

695
01:03:47,360 --> 01:03:50,800
and she's told me that
a few times as well.

696
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:56,400
That she liked that I never gave up
looking for her,

697
01:03:56,480 --> 01:03:59,720
and eventually it worked, and then...

698
01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:02,800
...she slammed the door in my face.

699
01:04:06,600 --> 01:04:11,400
I couldn't understand or accept
that she broke up with me.

700
01:04:13,680 --> 01:04:14,880
I got angry.

701
01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:23,240
She has said that she was glad
that I never gave up looking for her.

702
01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:27,520
So I continue writing letters to her.

703
01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:30,880
Eventually, I received a response.

704
01:04:32,160 --> 01:04:37,960
This is a letter that should
really be burned, not read.

705
01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:40,560
I got very upset from reading this letter.

706
01:04:42,120 --> 01:04:47,400
I wrote many letters
in response to this letter.

707
01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:49,800
- How many letters?
- Well...

708
01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:54,000
By 1999, around 350 letters.

709
01:04:54,760 --> 01:04:56,600
But I never got a response from her.

710
01:05:02,680 --> 01:05:06,840
This is a letter that was referred to
in the trial.

711
01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:10,680
It's dated January 18, 2000.

712
01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:16,880
"Gert, the reason why I'm writing you is
that I want to be left alone."

713
01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:21,880
"I stick by my decision.
There's no hope for us together."

714
01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:26,960
"I'm asking you now to respect this
on every level."

715
01:05:27,040 --> 01:05:32,080
"I don't want any more letters
or anything else. Agnetha."

716
01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:39,160
Now he knows that she's saying no.

717
01:05:39,240 --> 01:05:42,600
There's no imagination, there's no
"were going to be together."

718
01:05:42,680 --> 01:05:44,320
It's an absolute rejection.

719
01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:47,800
He turns into the rejected and vengeful.

720
01:05:47,880 --> 01:05:51,240
That's when she starts to become
concerned for her safety.

721
01:05:53,240 --> 01:05:56,440
Over many years he's been obsessing
and fantasizing

722
01:05:56,520 --> 01:06:01,120
about his potential of meeting Agnetha
and this relationship.

723
01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:03,960
It then overlaps that stalking,

724
01:06:04,040 --> 01:06:08,120
from strangers stalking
into ex-intimate partner stalking.

725
01:06:08,200 --> 01:06:10,640
That's when there is fear of violence.

726
01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:13,640
They are the most dangerous
type of stalker.

727
01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:18,760
Gert starts to write
a huge amount of letters to Agnetha.

728
01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:23,680
He tries to contact her children,
her friends, her neighbors.

729
01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:27,600
He makes her life a living hell.

730
01:06:34,720 --> 01:06:38,720
This is what it says
in Agnetha's statement:

731
01:06:41,880 --> 01:06:46,800
"From '97 to '99, the suspect wrote"

732
01:06:46,880 --> 01:06:52,560
"around 300 letters to Fältskog."

733
01:06:52,640 --> 01:06:57,680
"He called very often,
around one to three times a day."

734
01:06:57,760 --> 01:07:02,840
"He also followed Fältskog
wherever she went."

735
01:07:08,760 --> 01:07:10,760
Mm...

736
01:07:15,080 --> 01:07:17,920
Is that how it was?

737
01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:25,120
I have written a lot of letters to her

738
01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:31,800
in an attempt for us to get back together.
That's correct.

739
01:07:31,880 --> 01:07:38,200
But that I followed her is not correct.

740
01:07:38,280 --> 01:07:40,280
- I'll continue.
- Mm.

741
01:07:42,440 --> 01:07:44,280
She's being stalked,

742
01:07:44,360 --> 01:07:48,160
like so many other women
who have ended a relationship.

743
01:07:48,240 --> 01:07:52,080
This is a controlling behavior,

744
01:07:52,160 --> 01:07:56,320
which men use in order to harass women.

745
01:07:56,400 --> 01:07:59,800
"From '97 to September '99,"

746
01:07:59,880 --> 01:08:05,360
"the suspect has also surveyed places
which Fältskog visited,"

747
01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:11,280
"followed her car, stood in places
where she would often go for walks..."

748
01:08:11,360 --> 01:08:18,160
- "...for example, Ekerö Church..."
- That was maybe one time.

749
01:08:18,680 --> 01:08:21,240
- "...Skytteholm..."
- Mm.

750
01:08:22,480 --> 01:08:24,760
Being stalked is being hunted.

751
01:08:25,280 --> 01:08:27,640
You feel like a sitting duck.

752
01:08:27,720 --> 01:08:32,440
You are constantly on edge,
waiting for the next thing to happen.

753
01:08:33,720 --> 01:08:36,000
And your space is closed down.

754
01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:40,600
"Her life has become
incredibly restricted."

755
01:08:40,680 --> 01:08:43,200
"She doesn't dare to go outside"

756
01:08:43,280 --> 01:08:46,960
"without being accompanied
by her neighbor."

757
01:08:51,440 --> 01:08:54,920
But I wrote that I want to speak with her,

758
01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:58,200
in this... in this letter.

759
01:08:58,840 --> 01:09:01,800
He says that he loves her,
and everything else,

760
01:09:01,880 --> 01:09:06,080
but if someone's telling you not do
something and they want it to stop,

761
01:09:06,160 --> 01:09:11,760
but you continue, how do you see that
as love? It's a crime.

762
01:09:15,000 --> 01:09:20,040
Can you understand, when you hear this,

763
01:09:20,120 --> 01:09:24,520
that she was afraid?

764
01:09:26,120 --> 01:09:27,520
No.

765
01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:34,120
The fantasies in their head
becomes their reality.

766
01:09:34,200 --> 01:09:37,760
In their world,
what they believe to be true.

767
01:09:38,400 --> 01:09:45,200
In Gert's case he believes that they are
in love and can be together.

768
01:09:51,360 --> 01:09:56,760
Good afternoon,
and a very warm welcome to you all.

769
01:09:58,360 --> 01:10:03,680
Now things are as usual. My light burns
for each and every one of you.

770
01:10:07,240 --> 01:10:11,400
For the last months,
he's been counting down the days.

771
01:10:11,480 --> 01:10:14,600
He writes that something big
is about to happen.

772
01:10:17,800 --> 01:10:24,760
On Christmas Eve '99, I went to her
house, despite not being allowed to.

773
01:10:25,800 --> 01:10:30,560
Me going there was meant to be.
It was destiny.

774
01:10:33,240 --> 01:10:38,520
I entered her property
with all the security equipment.

775
01:10:38,600 --> 01:10:44,400
I know it wasn't right,
maybe it was stupid...

776
01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:51,600
...but I really wanted to see her.

777
01:10:54,320 --> 01:10:59,720
This time it was me coming to her.

778
01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:08,040
Why can't I talk to her?
I couldn't understand it.

779
01:11:20,000 --> 01:11:23,240
I would never want to hurt her.

780
01:11:23,320 --> 01:11:27,040
I was always so kind to her.

781
01:11:28,480 --> 01:11:33,440
And then I was arrested by the police
who said she feared for her life.

782
01:11:38,080 --> 01:11:44,920
Gert was given so many different
indications. "Leave her alone."

783
01:11:45,440 --> 01:11:51,200
Who knows what would've happened
if she hadn't called the police

784
01:11:51,280 --> 01:11:53,440
and gotten him arrested?

785
01:11:53,520 --> 01:11:57,400
ARRESTED AT AGNETHA'S

786
01:12:00,760 --> 01:12:04,240
He has stalked and harassed her
for more than a year,

787
01:12:04,320 --> 01:12:07,160
but when the trial started
at Solna Tingsrätt,

788
01:12:07,240 --> 01:12:12,000
the besieged singer did not have
to meet her fanatical admirer.

789
01:12:20,440 --> 01:12:24,520
I was here
because I was accused of harassment.

790
01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:29,360
But I didn't exactly feel
like I was guilty of that.

791
01:12:29,440 --> 01:12:32,600
I knew for certain
that I had not done anything wrong.

792
01:12:35,720 --> 01:12:40,080
It's a crime of mental terror.
That's what stalking is.

793
01:12:40,160 --> 01:12:45,360
It's to destroy the victim's mind,
to gain that power over them.

794
01:12:45,440 --> 01:12:46,440
"I'm obsessed with her"

795
01:12:46,520 --> 01:12:50,240
He explained to the court that
Agnetha Fältskog means everything to him.

796
01:12:50,320 --> 01:12:53,520
He denies that he ever hurt
or offended her.

797
01:12:54,320 --> 01:12:57,160
Gert knows exactly what he did.

798
01:12:57,240 --> 01:12:58,680
ABBA-Agnetha tells of the terror:
"I fear for my life"

799
01:12:58,760 --> 01:13:05,760
It boosted his ego that here is this
woman who is a big celebrity,

800
01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:11,200
her name is known all over the world,
and he is controlling her.

801
01:13:11,280 --> 01:13:16,680
He's making her fearful.
And now he has all this power.

802
01:13:16,760 --> 01:13:18,800
And that's what it's about.

803
01:13:19,520 --> 01:13:22,680
When Agnetha Fältskog stepped into
the court room this morning,

804
01:13:22,760 --> 01:13:28,200
the 34-year-old Dutchman
had been taken to another room.

805
01:13:28,280 --> 01:13:30,680
That was something that Agnetha arranged,

806
01:13:30,760 --> 01:13:35,920
so she wouldn't have to see me
in the court room.

807
01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:38,880
Why, I still don't know.

808
01:13:40,520 --> 01:13:43,960
This whole affair, with the stalker,

809
01:13:44,040 --> 01:13:46,840
had a profound effect on Agnetha.

810
01:13:46,920 --> 01:13:52,440
It confirmed all the fears she had
when she was considering...

811
01:13:52,520 --> 01:13:56,600
She decided to step out of the limelight
to get away from intrusive fans.

812
01:13:56,680 --> 01:13:58,000
"I want a normal life again"

813
01:13:58,080 --> 01:14:01,520
And then that exact thing happens.

814
01:14:03,480 --> 01:14:07,960
A doctor that examined him
said that he had Paranoia erotica,

815
01:14:08,040 --> 01:14:10,800
or De Clerambault Syndrome,
as it's also known.

816
01:14:10,880 --> 01:14:13,640
You believe you're loved
by another person,

817
01:14:13,720 --> 01:14:15,760
despite all facts pointing
to the opposite.

818
01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:22,400
I had to see a forensic psychologist.

819
01:14:22,480 --> 01:14:24,840
He said: "Don't imagine that I believe
that you've had a relationship"

820
01:14:24,920 --> 01:14:29,800
"with Agnetha, because I really don't."
That's what he said.

821
01:14:29,880 --> 01:14:36,480
"You're stupid to say such a thing,
because no one will believe you."

822
01:14:36,560 --> 01:14:39,960
In less than five minutes,
I'd been labeled.

823
01:14:40,560 --> 01:14:45,880
- That is very irritating. That hurts, yes.
- It hurts.

824
01:14:54,520 --> 01:14:57,640
For over a year,
Gert van der Graaf stalked and harassed

825
01:14:57,720 --> 01:14:59,040
the former ABBA star.

826
01:14:59,120 --> 01:15:00,920
Today he was convicted of harassment

827
01:15:01,000 --> 01:15:03,520
and will be deported
and can't return for two years.

828
01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:06,960
The verdict means that Agnetha's tormentor
will return to Holland,

829
01:15:07,040 --> 01:15:09,640
and she can breathe easier.

830
01:15:15,200 --> 01:15:17,600
Gert was convicted.

831
01:15:17,680 --> 01:15:23,360
His punishment was to be deported
and he was given a restraining order.

832
01:15:25,160 --> 01:15:30,800
My experience with stalking cases
and victims... It's a piece of paper.

833
01:15:30,880 --> 01:15:35,640
It means little or nothing to the stalker.

834
01:15:37,840 --> 01:15:43,800
Gert's punishment wasn't
strong enough to make him stop.

835
01:15:43,880 --> 01:15:47,400
It's no surprise to me
that he continues his behavior.

836
01:15:47,480 --> 01:15:51,440
He goes to Sweden.
He continues to write to her.

837
01:15:51,520 --> 01:15:55,480
And he's spotted multiple times
close to where she lives.

838
01:16:02,040 --> 01:16:05,440
I had two weeks to leave Sweden.

839
01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:10,800
I had to leave all of this
that made me so happy.

840
01:16:15,840 --> 01:16:20,400
I returned to Waddinxveen.
I didn't have a house there.

841
01:16:20,480 --> 01:16:25,480
I lived with my mom, temporarily.

842
01:16:38,120 --> 01:16:42,440
After the stalking scandal,
Gert van der Graaf was ostracized

843
01:16:42,520 --> 01:16:47,320
by ABBA fans throughout Europe.
They wanted to defend Agnetha.

844
01:16:47,400 --> 01:16:50,400
They sent him threatening letters,
called him,

845
01:16:50,480 --> 01:16:53,280
and some even threatened to kill him.

846
01:16:55,960 --> 01:16:59,840
Then came the big scoop, the bomb.

847
01:17:05,040 --> 01:17:09,960
Look! You really were dating her?

848
01:17:10,040 --> 01:17:15,080
They did have a relationship. Gert
and Agnetha Fältskog had a relationship.

849
01:17:15,160 --> 01:17:19,040
It's here, in black and white,
and Agnetha Fältskog confirms it all, too.

850
01:17:19,120 --> 01:17:20,920
They had a secret affair
Agnetha tells about the stalker

851
01:17:21,000 --> 01:17:22,360
It's incomprehensible.

852
01:17:23,600 --> 01:17:28,720
He, the guy that saw his crush
on TV when he was eight years old.

853
01:17:28,800 --> 01:17:32,320
He now had a relationship
with that same crush.

854
01:17:32,400 --> 01:17:35,400
It's crazy when you think about it.
What are the odds?

855
01:17:36,320 --> 01:17:38,840
That doesn't happen in real life.
It really doesn't happen.

856
01:17:38,920 --> 01:17:40,840
"We were both very sad"

857
01:17:40,920 --> 01:17:45,600
How can he...
I can't wrap my mind around it.

858
01:17:45,680 --> 01:17:48,680
You're telling me...
Again, I'm processing it.

859
01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:58,400
Really, my god. She could have had
any man she wanted. Why him?

860
01:18:00,320 --> 01:18:02,280
I think she needed something different.

861
01:18:02,360 --> 01:18:06,560
Maybe she needed
a chubby, Dutch warehouse worker.

862
01:18:08,080 --> 01:18:13,720
Here at last, was somebody here for her.
Only here for her.

863
01:18:13,800 --> 01:18:17,880
Who didn't care about anybody else,
who had eyes only for her.

864
01:18:17,960 --> 01:18:20,680
Gert tells about the affair
with the ABBA star

865
01:18:20,760 --> 01:18:25,120
He wore her down. She said
that she couldn't resist him anymore.

866
01:18:25,200 --> 01:18:28,200
It was so intense. She used those words.

867
01:18:28,280 --> 01:18:30,400
"I will never give up"

868
01:18:30,480 --> 01:18:35,480
Even though they had a relationship
there is no blame to be placed on her.

869
01:18:35,560 --> 01:18:38,720
The blame is placed on Gert.

870
01:18:40,040 --> 01:18:46,480
Agnetha refused to even mention him
or give a comment on their relationship.

871
01:18:47,720 --> 01:18:51,600
This man who stalked you,
is he still bothering you?

872
01:18:51,680 --> 01:18:56,760
I don't know if I can talk about that.
I don't think I will.

873
01:18:56,840 --> 01:19:00,680
Due to security reasons, I can't.

874
01:19:02,520 --> 01:19:07,320
He was once lucky to have that
beautiful woman, that star,

875
01:19:07,400 --> 01:19:10,760
but now the love is gone,
but what's tragic is

876
01:19:10,840 --> 01:19:15,520
Agnetha is famous, so she's everywhere.

877
01:19:21,320 --> 01:19:26,360
ABBA has never left us.
The music is a part of us.

878
01:19:30,800 --> 01:19:34,240
I see her almost every day,
and ABBA is topical again.

879
01:19:34,320 --> 01:19:37,960
I see her on stage and read the papers.

880
01:19:38,040 --> 01:19:42,320
Of course I miss her.

881
01:19:44,840 --> 01:19:48,720
He will never get rid of
that image in his life, of Agnetha.

882
01:19:50,600 --> 01:19:55,200
The situation is impossible.
It's a trap. He's trapped.

883
01:19:56,120 --> 01:19:58,280
It must be a hell.

884
01:19:59,840 --> 01:20:04,920
I can imagine it's hard for you
to let it go?

885
01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:07,680
It's been many years now.

886
01:20:07,760 --> 01:20:13,080
It keeps spinning around in my head.
It comes back, again and again.

887
01:20:13,160 --> 01:20:18,920
It was a period in your life
that was exceptional and beautiful.

888
01:20:19,000 --> 01:20:23,680
It might be something I can never give up,

889
01:20:23,760 --> 01:20:27,560
not until my last breath.

890
01:20:27,640 --> 01:20:32,800
It may sound strange, but...
As Agnetha said...

891
01:20:32,880 --> 01:20:39,400
She said she was glad
that I never stopped looking for her.

892
01:20:40,560 --> 01:20:45,240
- And therefore, you'll never stop.
- Then I never stop.

893
01:20:47,280 --> 01:20:53,080
- Okay. Done.
- Thank you for the talk.

894
01:20:53,160 --> 01:20:55,240
You're welcome.

895
01:20:58,800 --> 01:21:00,440
Can you really love somebody

896
01:21:00,520 --> 01:21:03,080
who is not answering your love?

897
01:21:03,160 --> 01:21:05,200
Why not?

898
01:21:08,400 --> 01:21:10,880
Loving somebody who's not answering
your love is a way of life.

899
01:21:10,960 --> 01:21:13,520
It could be fulfilling something
in your life, maybe.

900
01:21:13,600 --> 01:21:18,280
Particularly if you don't have
anything else in your life.

901
01:21:24,240 --> 01:21:26,840
I'm definitely not religious,

902
01:21:26,920 --> 01:21:32,480
but sometimes I turn to God for strength.

903
01:21:33,960 --> 01:21:39,960
It's possible that there's something
out there that can...

904
01:21:41,800 --> 01:21:45,280
...hopefully...

905
01:21:47,720 --> 01:21:51,560
...help me deal with my issues.

906
01:22:12,200 --> 01:22:16,080
"Hi, Agnetha. I hope you're well."

907
01:22:17,320 --> 01:22:20,840
"It's nice here in Coevorden."

908
01:22:20,920 --> 01:22:23,200
"I still work at the warehouse."

909
01:22:25,000 --> 01:22:28,280
"I have many great colleagues."

910
01:22:28,360 --> 01:22:31,920
"Sometimes we have a beer
on the weekends."

911
01:22:33,120 --> 01:22:35,480
Some maintenance is needed, huh?

912
01:22:35,560 --> 01:22:39,680
- You're not much of a gardener.
- No, I never have been.

913
01:22:39,760 --> 01:22:43,000
"My neighbor Vigent came over today."

914
01:22:43,080 --> 01:22:46,680
This is all weeds, and this is weeds.
You can just...

915
01:22:46,760 --> 01:22:49,920
"'We have to fix your garden, Gert',
he said."

916
01:22:50,000 --> 01:22:53,800
And because you're not doing anything
about it, I'm getting very annoyed.

917
01:22:53,880 --> 01:22:56,320
So that's why I do it for you.

918
01:22:58,160 --> 01:23:01,360
"I don't know if I should tell you this,"

919
01:23:01,440 --> 01:23:07,240
"but I've been chatting with a girl
a few times. Her name is Berna."

920
01:23:08,600 --> 01:23:14,640
"We're just friends, but I think she
would like us to be more than friends."

921
01:23:16,000 --> 01:23:19,200
"I will never send this letter."

922
01:23:19,280 --> 01:23:25,200
"And you will never read it.
It's for the best."

923
01:23:25,280 --> 01:23:27,560
"Lots of love, Gert."

924
01:23:38,400 --> 01:23:42,360
People often think
that stalking is isolated cases.

925
01:23:42,440 --> 01:23:47,080
It's celebrities, it's royalties,
it's politicians who are stalked.

926
01:23:47,160 --> 01:23:52,240
Anyone can be a victim of stalking.
And anyone can be a stalker.

927
01:23:52,320 --> 01:23:55,560
Stalking is not an isolated problem.

928
01:23:55,640 --> 01:24:02,160
In Sweden over 600.000 people
have claimed to have been stalked.

929
01:24:02,240 --> 01:24:05,360
Even more here in the United States.

930
01:24:05,440 --> 01:24:09,200
The victim never gets over being stalked,

931
01:24:09,280 --> 01:24:14,320
they've lost that sense of safety
in the world.

932
01:24:14,400 --> 01:24:19,000
My advice for anyone being stalked
is to keep a diary.

933
01:24:19,920 --> 01:24:23,280
Take pictures, alert the authorities.

934
01:24:23,840 --> 01:24:26,040
Let your friends and family know.

935
01:24:26,120 --> 01:24:30,240
What kind of advice do you
have for the stalkers?

936
01:24:30,320 --> 01:24:32,720
I don't think they'd recognize the advice.

937
01:24:32,800 --> 01:24:35,880
They wouldn't recognize they're a stalker.

938
01:24:45,240 --> 01:24:51,000
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