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Hi, I'm Stan Lee.

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Editor of the Marvel Comics Group
of superhero comic magazines.

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Comic books have been a big business
for the past 25 years,

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and they are bigger than ever today.

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With this in mind, you'll be interested
to know that the Marvel Comics Group

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is the acknowledged leader

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in monthly sales of all comic magazines
published today.

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Our superheroes are the kind of people
that you or I would be

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if we had a super power,

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which sets them apart from
all other superheroes published today

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and seems to be the reason that they're
actually far more popular than any others.

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<i>Every one of us are a product
of all the things we've experienced,</i>

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<i>seen, read, and heard in our lives.</i>

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<i>So, when I write,
I'm remembering things that happened.</i>

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<i>Those things become part of the story.</i>

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<i>One day, I was trying to think
of a new superhero</i>

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<i>and I saw a fly crawling on a wall.</i>

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<i>And I thought, "Gee, wouldn't it be
something if a hero could stick to walls</i>

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<i>"and move on them like an insect."</i>

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<i>I decided I wanted somebody who every one
of the readers could identify with.</i>

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<i>If I had superhuman powers,
wouldn't I still have to worry</i>

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<i>about making a living
or having my dates like me?</i>

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{\an8}<i>What I tried to do was write the kind
of stories I would want to read,</i>

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{\an8}<i>and sometimes I had to buck a trend
to do that.</i>

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<i>I think perseverance
plays such a great part of it.</i>

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<i>If you think you've got it,
you just mustn't give up.</i>

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<i>You gotta just keep working at it,
hoping sooner or later</i>

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<i>somebody will recognize what you've done.</i>

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<i>December 28th was a very important date
for me in the year 1922.</i>

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<i>That's when I was born.</i>

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<i>On the West Side of Manhattan,
on 98th Street and West End Avenue.</i>

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<i>My name was Stanley Martin Lieber.</i>

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{\an8}<i>My parents came to New York
from Eastern Europe,</i>

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<i>and they used to like
to take photographs of me.</i>

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<i>They didn't have a camera,
but there were people in the neighborhood.</i>

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<i>I think you'd pay them a dime
at that time.</i>

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<i>They would have a little pony with them,
and they put the little kid on the pony.</i>

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(CHUCKLES) <i>So, I had more photos
of myself taken on ponies.</i>

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<i>I did have a brother
who was born nine years after me.</i>

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<i>His name is Larry and he's a great guy,</i>

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<i>but unfortunately, I was nine years older,</i>

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<i>so it was tough to pal around with him.</i>

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<i>I loved reading.</i>

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<i>I think I was born reading,</i>

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<i>I mean, I can't remember a time
when I wasn't reading.</i>

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<i>I loved</i> Sherlock Holmes, Tarzan,
The Hardy Boys,

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King Arthur and his Knights, The Odyssey,
<i>everything I could get my hands on.</i>

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<i>My mother said
I would read the labels on ketchup bottles</i>

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<i>if there was nothing else around.</i>

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<i>We didn't have any money.
It was during the Depression.</i>

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<i>The one thing I wanted was a bicycle.</i>

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<i>And finally,
my folks scraped up enough money</i>

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<i>and they bought me this two-wheeler.</i>

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<i>And, man, I felt as though
I could go anywhere on that bike.</i>

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<i>I had been freed.</i>

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<i>I used to go to the movies
and I'd see Errol Flynn on the screen.</i>

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<i>He played Robin Hood, Captain Blood.</i>

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<i>He was always a hero.</i>

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<i>I wanted to be Errol Flynn.</i>

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<i>And I would leave the theater</i>

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<i>and ride my bike
over the George Washington Bridge,</i>

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<i>which goes from Manhattan to New Jersey.</i>

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<i>And it was such a triumphant feeling
to ride across the bridge.</i>

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<i>And I knew
I was gonna become somebody important.</i>

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NARRATOR: <i>Again,
we bring you another chapter</i>

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<i>of Edgar Rice Burroughs' amazing history</i>

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<i>of</i> Tarzan of the Apes.

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<i>The astounding record of a superman
who became the...</i>

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STAN: <i>My father was a great guy,
but he had trouble getting a job.</i>

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<i>He had been a dress cutter,</i>

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<i>and there were just no jobs apparently
for dress cutters.</i>

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<i>And so, he was unemployed
most of the time.</i>

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<i>My earliest memories
are just him sitting home,</i>

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<i>reading the want ads in the newspaper.</i>

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<i>I always felt tremendous pity for him.</i>

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<i>It must be a terrible feeling
to just not be bringing in the money</i>

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<i>that's needed for your family.</i>

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<i>To me, it seemed as if having a good job,
a steady job,</i>

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<i>was the greatest success
a person could attain,</i>

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<i>only because my father never had one.</i>

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<i>That's one of the reasons
I started working at an early age.</i>

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<i>I got a job as an office boy,</i>

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<i>at the second largest
trouser manufacturer.</i>

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<i>They had millions of salesmen,
and whenever they wanted a glass of water,</i>

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<i>or they wanted someone
to sharpen a pencil,</i>

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<i>they would yell, "Boy!"</i>

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<i>and whichever one of us was closer
had to come running,</i>

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<i>and I resented the fact</i>

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<i>that they never took the trouble
to learn my name.</i>

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<i>Like, a week before Christmas,
they told me I have to leave</i>

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<i>and, oh, I was burned up.</i>

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<i>But if they hadn't fired me,
I might have stayed there</i>

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<i>and I might have made my life
working in trousers. I was lucky.</i>

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{\an8}There was a general rush. Bank deposits...

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SPORTS ANNOUNCER: <i>And Owens wins again...</i>

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MAN ON TV: <i>Oh, the humanity...</i>

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STAN: <i>Writing was always fun. In fact,
I remember I was a very corny guy.</i>

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I had a little briefcase
and I loved carrying it with me

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when I walked in the streets
so people would think I was a writer.

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You know, a little thin briefcase.

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<i>When I graduated high school,
I had an uncle</i>

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<i>and he worked for a publisher,</i>

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<i>and he told me that
they were looking for an assistant.</i>

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<i>And I figured, "Gee, I'm going to apply."
So I went up there,</i>

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<i>and I found out
they also published comic books.</i>

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<i>They had an outfit called Timely Comics,</i>

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<i>and they hired me to run errands,</i>

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{\an8}<i>to proof-read,
fill the inkwell, whatever had to be done.</i>

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{\an8}<i>I didn't really have any intention
to be working in comics,</i>

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<i>but it was a job.</i>

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<i>There were two guys,
Joe Simon and Jack Kirby,</i>

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<i>who were running the thing.</i>

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<i>Joe Simon was the boss
and he walked around puffing a big cigar</i>

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and he talked in a very deep voice,
and he was great. I liked him.

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He had a lot of personality.

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<i>And Jack would sit hunched over
the drawing board</i>

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<i>and do most of the actual artwork.</i>

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{\an8}<i>I asked Stan how old he was.
He says, "17."</i>

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{\an8}<i>So we gave him a job there.
He was the gofer, you know.</i>

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{\an8}<i>And he'd go out and get coffee.</i>

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STAN: <i>I would ask Jack, "You comfortable?
Do you want some more ink?</i>

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<i>"Is your brush okay?
Is the pencil all right?"</i>

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<i>And he would yell at me for a while.</i>

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<i>And that was the way we spent our days.</i>

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{\an8}SIMON: <i>He drove Jack Kirby crazy.</i>

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<i>He had a little instrument.
A piccolo?</i>

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<i>And he played this thing all day.
And Kirby would tell him to shut up.</i>

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<i>And Stan would keep playing.</i>

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STAN: <i>We had</i> The Human Torch
<i>and</i> The Sub-Mariner <i>and</i> The Patriot

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<i>and</i> The Angel <i>and</i> The Destroyer.

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{\an8}<i>But the main character we had
was Captain America.</i>

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{\an8}<i>From the very beginning,
we were very much affected</i>

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{\an8}<i>by what was going on
in the world around us.</i>

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{\an8}<i>Joe Simon and Jack Kirby
were doing stories of Captain America</i>

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<i>battling Hitler and the Nazis</i>

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{\an8}<i>even before America
had gotten into the war.</i>

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{\an8}<i>Captain America came from the need
for a patriotic character</i>

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{\an8}<i>because the times at that time
were in a patriotic stir.</i>

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{\an8}<i>The war was coming on
and the war clouds were gathering</i>

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{\an8}<i>and so Captain America
had to come into existence.</i>

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STAN: <i>I came in in 1939,</i>

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<i>and it was such a small place</i>

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<i>that Jack Kirby and Joe
couldn't keep up with all the stories.</i>

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<i>And they said, "Hey,
could you help us write a story or two?"</i>

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<i>When you're 16, what do you know.
I said, "Sure, I could do it."</i>

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<i>When I started doing comics,</i>

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<i>I figured I would just do them
for a little while and get some experience</i>

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<i>and I thought
one day I'll be a big time writer</i>

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<i>and maybe I'll write
the Great American Novel.</i>

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<i>I always, in the back of my mind,
liked comics,</i>

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<i>but I never considered that real writing.</i>

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<i>I said, "I'm not going to use my name
for these silly comics."</i>

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<i>And I thought, "I need a pen name."</i>

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<i>So, I just took my first name,
Stanley, and I cut it in two</i>

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<i>and I signed "Stan Lee."</i>

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<i>And the first story that I wrote
was called</i>

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<i>"Captain America
and the Traitor's Revenge."</i>

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<i>And what happened was,
everybody started to know me as Stan Lee</i>

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{\an8}<i>and nobody knew me anymore
as Stanley Lieber.</i>

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{\an8}<i>It was like my alter ego.</i>

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(RADIO CRACKLING AND SWITCHING STATIONS)

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SPORTS ANNOUNCER:
<i>And the champion Yankees roar!</i>

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STAN: <i>After a while,
Joe and Jack left Timely Comics</i>

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<i>and the publisher looked around
at his vast empire,</i>

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<i>and he saw this one skinny kid
with a broom in one hand</i>

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<i>and a typewriter in the other</i>

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<i>and he said,
"Hey, where's the rest of my staff?"</i>

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<i>And I said, "I'm it."</i>

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<i>He said, "Somebody's gotta
edit these books."</i>

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<i>He said, "Stan, can you hold down the job
till I get somebody else?"</i>

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<i>And I said, "Okay, I'll take it."</i>

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<i>So, he went off into the outside world
to seek another editor,</i>

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<i>and I was now Stan Lee,
boy editor pro tem.</i>

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<i>And that was it, I became the editor,
and I think he forgot to hire somebody</i>

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<i>because I remained the editor.</i>

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<i>So at 17, I was really running the place.</i>

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<i>And since I was my own writer
and my own editor,</i>

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<i>I didn't have much to change.</i>

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<i>So I was able to get these stories
moving very fast.</i>

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{\an8}FRANKLIN D. ROOSEVELT:
<i>Since the unprovoked</i>

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<i>and dastardly attack</i>

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<i>by Japan on Sunday,</i>

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<i>December 7th, 1941,</i>

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<i>a state of war</i>

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<i>has existed</i>

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<i>between the United States</i>

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<i>and the Japanese Empire.</i>

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STAN: <i>Like an idiot, I volunteered.</i>

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<i>I felt it was my duty. It was a big war.
And I wanted to be like Errol Flynn.</i>

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I wanted to be a hero.

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<i>But before they could send me overseas,</i>

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<i>they found out I had worked
for this comic book company.</i>

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<i>The next thing I know, I got transferred</i>

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<i>to Astoria, Queens, in New York,</i>

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<i>where they had a film unit</i>

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<i>where they did training films
and instructional books for the troops.</i>

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<i>Funny thing. I didn't know this
until after the war ended.</i>

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<i>I looked at my army discharge and it said
Army occupation, it said playwright.</i>

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<i>They were having a big problem
training finance officers quickly enough.</i>

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<i>The men overseas
weren't getting paid on time</i>

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<i>'cause there weren't enough
payroll officers to pay them.</i>

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<i>So I was asked,
could I rewrite the finance textbooks</i>

205
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<i>to make the training period shorter?</i>

206
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<i>I rewrote the finance textbooks
using comic strips.</i>

207
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<i>We were able to shorten
the training period for finance officers</i>

208
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<i>from six months to six weeks.</i>

209
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It was then I realized

210
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<i>that comic books
can have a tremendous impact.</i>

211
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<i>You can convey a story or information</i>

212
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<i>faster, more clearly, and more enjoyably,
than any other way,</i>

213
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<i>short of motion pictures.</i>

214
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STAN: <i>After the Army, I went back
to the comic book company.</i>

215
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<i>Started doing
what I had been doing all the time.</i>

216
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<i>I had a cousin
and he was in the hat business.</i>

217
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<i>And one day, he said, there was a model,
a hat model,</i>

218
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<i>at this place, named Betty.</i>

219
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<i>He thought I'd really like her
and she might like me.</i>

220
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<i>So, I went up to this hat model place,</i>

221
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<i>and somebody opened the door.</i>

222
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{\an8}I remember it very clearly.

223
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{\an8}He came to the door and he was...

224
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He had his raincoat

225
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thrown over his shoulder.

226
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Joan opened the door.

227
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Now, she was not the girl
that I was supposed to meet.

228
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But she was the head model there.
And she was...

229
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She opened the door and said...

230
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Hello!

231
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And he said,

232
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"Hello, I think
I'm going to fall in love with you."

233
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STAN: <i>I couldn't believe it.</i>

234
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<i>She had this beautiful English accent.
And I'm a real Anglophile.</i>

235
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<i>An English accent knocks me out.</i>

236
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<i>And she was gorgeous.</i>

237
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JOAN: <i>I thought,</i>

238
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<i>"This one I can't let get away."</i>

239
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<i>It was really love at first sight.</i>

240
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(PEOPLE CHATTERING INDISTINCTLY)

241
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STAN: <i>At the time,
we were known as Atlas Comics</i>

242
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<i>and we were just publishing
what everybody else did.</i>

243
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<i>If western books were good,
we published a thousand westerns.</i>

244
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<i>If romance books were in,</i>

245
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<i>we published a million romance books,
and so forth.</i>

246
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<i>We just followed the trends.</i>

247
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<i>We did war stories, romance stories,
humor stories,</i>

248
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<i>little funny animal
animated comic stories.</i>

249
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<i>We were grinding out magazines
like confetti,</i>

250
00:17:08,277 --> 00:17:09,987
<i>and we did that for years.</i>

251
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<i>At one point, we were churning out
almost a hundred magazines a month.</i>

252
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<i>As a kid, all I wanted was a steady job,</i>

253
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<i>and now I had one.</i>

254
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{\an8}<i>Writing came very easily to me.</i>

255
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{\an8}<i>And in those early days,
it was a fun way to make money.</i>

256
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<i>I was getting paid as an editor,
art director, and head writer,</i>

257
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<i>but any stories that I wrote
I got paid for on a freelance basis.</i>

258
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So as the editor, I bought all my stories.

259
00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:49,234
<i>My wife and I,
we were a little bit extravagant.</i>

260
00:17:49,985 --> 00:17:51,862
<i>We lived right up to whatever I made,</i>

261
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<i>and I was and am
very much in love with her.</i>

262
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<i>So whatever Joanie wanted, I'd say,</i>

263
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<i>"That's fine, honey, I'll write
another story tonight to pay for it."</i>

264
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<i>Not only her, anytime I wanted something.</i>

265
00:18:04,708 --> 00:18:06,293
<i>I want a new car.</i>

266
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<i>Okay. I'll write a couple of stories,
that'll take care of the down payment,</i>

267
00:18:09,546 --> 00:18:12,966
<i>and I'll keep writing stories
every time the payments come due.</i>

268
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<i>I was always writing the stories
to keep up with what we were doing.</i>

269
00:18:17,471 --> 00:18:21,016
<i>It was like having a tiger by the tail.
But we loved living that way.</i>

270
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(OLDIES MUSIC PLAYING ON RADIO)

271
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<i>In those days,
comics weren't thought of very highly.</i>

272
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<i>I remember we'd go to parties
and somebody would walk over to me</i>

273
00:18:42,037 --> 00:18:43,455
<i>and say, "What do you do?"</i>

274
00:18:43,455 --> 00:18:47,042
<i>And I tried not to say, and I would say,
"Oh, I'm a writer,"</i>

275
00:18:47,042 --> 00:18:49,920
<i>and I'd walk away,
but the person would follow me,</i>

276
00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:51,421
<i>"Well, what do you write?"</i>

277
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<i>And I'd say,
"Oh, stories for young people."</i>

278
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<i>Walk away further.
Follow me, "What kind of stories?"</i>

279
00:18:57,261 --> 00:18:59,763
<i>"Magazine stories." "Well, what magazine?"</i>

280
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<i>At some point, I had to say comic books,</i>

281
00:19:03,475 --> 00:19:07,729
and the person who had been
interrogating me would, "Oh, I see,"

282
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and turn around and leave me, you know.

283
00:19:14,903 --> 00:19:17,614
MAN: <i>Reading.
What a wonderful thing this would be</i>

284
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<i>if they were reading something worthwhile.</i>

285
00:19:19,825 --> 00:19:21,910
<i>But they're not reading
anything constructive,</i>

286
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<i>they're reading stories
devoted to adultery, to sexual perversion,</i>

287
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<i>to horror,
to the most despicable of crimes.</i>

288
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STAN: <i>In those days,
we had to submit the comics</i>

289
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<i>to a self-censorship organization</i>

290
00:19:37,634 --> 00:19:40,262
<i>that had been set up by the publishers.</i>

291
00:19:40,262 --> 00:19:43,348
<i>It was called the Comics Code Authority.</i>

292
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<i>All the books we published
had to be presented to them</i>

293
00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:49,313
<i>and they would make certain
there was nothing in them</i>

294
00:19:49,313 --> 00:19:51,815
<i>that would ruin the youth of America.</i>

295
00:19:58,697 --> 00:20:01,867
<i>People thought of comics
as being just for little kids.</i>

296
00:20:03,619 --> 00:20:07,164
{\an8}<i>And they were written and drawn
with that in mind.</i>

297
00:20:08,373 --> 00:20:10,500
{\an8}<i>In those days,
you're reading a comic book,</i>

298
00:20:10,500 --> 00:20:12,461
{\an8}<i>and it could really be any superhero,</i>

299
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<i>and he's walking down the street</i>

300
00:20:14,129 --> 00:20:17,132
<i>and he's got his little colorful
long underwear suit on,</i>

301
00:20:17,132 --> 00:20:20,052
<i>and he sees a big, bug-eyed monster
coming toward him,</i>

302
00:20:20,052 --> 00:20:23,889
<i>and his dialogue would have been something
the equivalent of,</i>

303
00:20:23,889 --> 00:20:26,683
<i>"Oh, a creature from another planet.</i>

304
00:20:27,100 --> 00:20:30,479
<i>"I had better capture him
before he destroys the world."</i>

305
00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:36,652
{\an8}<i>My publisher, Martin Goodman,
he used to say to me,</i>

306
00:20:36,652 --> 00:20:40,739
{\an8}<i>"Remember, Stan, don't use words
of more than two syllables.</i>

307
00:20:40,739 --> 00:20:43,909
<i>"Don't have too much dialogue.
Get a lot of action.</i>

308
00:20:43,909 --> 00:20:45,994
<i>"Don't worry about characterization."</i>

309
00:20:46,578 --> 00:20:49,122
<i>After a while, I really wanted to quit.</i>

310
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For the best motion picture,
<i>The Apartment,</i> Billy Wilder.

311
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(WOMEN VOCALIZING)

312
00:20:58,090 --> 00:21:01,718
Ask not what your country
can do for you...

313
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STAN: <i>I always felt
I was really wasting time.</i>

314
00:21:06,682 --> 00:21:11,061
<i>I felt okay, so I'm making a living
with selling comics,</i>

315
00:21:11,895 --> 00:21:16,275
<i>but there are people building bridges
and people doing medical research</i>

316
00:21:17,025 --> 00:21:19,611
{\an8}<i>and people doing things that matter.</i>

317
00:21:21,446 --> 00:21:25,158
<i>And I'm writing
these stupid little fantasy stories.</i>

318
00:21:26,994 --> 00:21:28,495
<i>I always felt, you know,</i>

319
00:21:28,495 --> 00:21:30,747
<i>how could a grown man
be doing comic books?</i>

320
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And he just felt that
he can't just go on doing this...

321
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What he thought was childish stuff.

322
00:21:37,879 --> 00:21:40,299
And then I said to him,

323
00:21:40,299 --> 00:21:44,303
"Well, why don't you create characters
that you like?"

324
00:21:44,303 --> 00:21:46,430
"The worst that'll happen is
you'll get fired

325
00:21:46,430 --> 00:21:47,931
"and you want to quit anyway.

326
00:21:47,931 --> 00:21:49,308
"Get it out of your system."

327
00:21:50,309 --> 00:21:55,522
<i>At that time, Martin Goodman had found out
that our competitor, DC Comics,</i>

328
00:21:55,522 --> 00:21:58,317
<i>they had done a book
called</i> The Justice League of America.

329
00:21:58,317 --> 00:22:01,153
<i>A group of superheroes,
and it was selling very well.</i>

330
00:22:01,737 --> 00:22:04,156
<i>And he said to me,
"Stan, why don't you do a book</i>

331
00:22:04,156 --> 00:22:06,450
<i>"about a group of superheroes?"</i>

332
00:22:06,450 --> 00:22:09,494
<i>So I figured this is my chance
to do it my way.</i>

333
00:22:13,081 --> 00:22:14,708
<i>So I went home and wrote.</i>

334
00:22:16,084 --> 00:22:19,379
<i>It occurred to me that it might be fun
to put out the kind of stories</i>

335
00:22:19,379 --> 00:22:21,173
<i>that I would enjoy reading myself,</i>

336
00:22:21,173 --> 00:22:24,176
<i>rather than just writing for
the eight or nine-year-old.</i>

337
00:22:24,468 --> 00:22:27,888
{\an8}<i>By that time,
Jack Kirby had come back.</i>

338
00:22:28,221 --> 00:22:32,309
{\an8}<i>So I said, "Jack, wouldn't it be fun
if we have good guys</i>

339
00:22:32,309 --> 00:22:36,104
<i>"who occasionally fall on their faces,
who occasionally make mistakes,</i>

340
00:22:36,104 --> 00:22:38,815
<i>"trip at the last minute
and let the bad guy get away?</i>

341
00:22:38,815 --> 00:22:42,361
<i>"Wouldn't it be nice to have bad guys
that you could almost relate to</i>

342
00:22:42,361 --> 00:22:45,822
<i>"and feel, 'Ah, well, you know,
maybe I'd have done the same thing</i>

343
00:22:45,822 --> 00:22:47,616
<i>"'if I was in his position?'"</i>

344
00:22:48,700 --> 00:22:54,206
MAN: <i>Five, four, three, two, one, zero.</i>

345
00:22:56,083 --> 00:22:58,710
STAN: <i>That was really
the start of everything.</i>

346
00:23:01,129 --> 00:23:06,385
<i>I came up with four superheroes
I called The Fantastic Four.</i>

347
00:23:06,385 --> 00:23:09,137
<i>See what happened,
they all went in a rocket ship</i>

348
00:23:10,222 --> 00:23:13,141
<i>and they were affected by cosmic rays.</i>

349
00:23:13,141 --> 00:23:16,895
<i>And the cosmic rays
gave them superhuman abilities.</i>

350
00:23:18,271 --> 00:23:21,024
<i>And yet I tried to be realistic about it.</i>

351
00:23:22,150 --> 00:23:25,112
<i>The hero wasn't just a perfect guy,</i>

352
00:23:25,112 --> 00:23:28,073
<i>he was a fellow like me.
He talks too much.</i>

353
00:23:28,073 --> 00:23:30,075
<i>He was always boring the others,</i>

354
00:23:30,075 --> 00:23:33,662
<i>because one of the other guys
was always saying, "Will you shut up?"</i>

355
00:23:33,662 --> 00:23:39,084
<i>And instead of an obligatory female,
who doesn't know who the hero really is,</i>

356
00:23:39,084 --> 00:23:41,670
<i>she was the hero's fiancée,</i>

357
00:23:41,670 --> 00:23:46,383
<i>and she also had a super power
that was as good as anyone else's.</i>

358
00:23:48,051 --> 00:23:51,555
<i>The teenager in the group
didn't want to be a superhero.</i>

359
00:23:52,848 --> 00:23:55,058
{\an8}<i>Like I would have been
when I was a teenager.</i>

360
00:23:55,058 --> 00:23:58,186
{\an8}<i>He wanted to go out with girls
and ride his sport car.</i>

361
00:23:58,186 --> 00:24:02,107
<i>And the fourth guy was a monster.
Something had happened to him,</i>

362
00:24:02,107 --> 00:24:04,943
<i>and he became very ugly
and incredibly strong.</i>

363
00:24:04,943 --> 00:24:08,864
<i>And I used him for both pathos and humor.</i>

364
00:24:08,864 --> 00:24:11,241
<i>He was always fighting with the others,</i>

365
00:24:11,241 --> 00:24:14,911
<i>and he was always picking on
the Human Torch that was a teenager,</i>

366
00:24:14,911 --> 00:24:18,373
<i>who was always picking on him,
and I got a lot of comedy out of them.</i>

367
00:24:18,832 --> 00:24:22,794
<i>Instead of having them live
in a fictional place</i>

368
00:24:22,794 --> 00:24:25,505
<i>like Metropolis or Gotham City,</i>

369
00:24:25,505 --> 00:24:28,008
<i>I plunked 'em right down in New York City.</i>

370
00:24:28,508 --> 00:24:31,678
<i>Because I knew New York City,
I could write about New York City,</i>

371
00:24:31,678 --> 00:24:34,097
<i>and I figured
why not let 'em live in a real place?</i>

372
00:24:34,764 --> 00:24:36,266
<i>And one day it occurred to me,</i>

373
00:24:36,266 --> 00:24:39,811
<i>it would be fun to show
that they lost all their money.</i>

374
00:24:39,811 --> 00:24:43,064
<i>I don't think that had ever happened
in any other comic book,</i>

375
00:24:43,064 --> 00:24:46,735
<i>where a superhero group
got kicked out of their headquarters</i>

376
00:24:46,735 --> 00:24:48,528
<i>'cause they couldn't pay the rent.</i>

377
00:24:49,321 --> 00:24:53,158
<i>I tried to keep everything
as realistic as possible</i>

378
00:24:53,158 --> 00:24:56,536
<i>even though it was
just a superhero comic.</i>

379
00:25:03,335 --> 00:25:06,838
For the first decade or two,
at the comic book company

380
00:25:06,838 --> 00:25:10,634
we never received fan mail, and I was sure
these books are being published

381
00:25:10,634 --> 00:25:13,178
and destroyed somewhere,
and that's the end of it.

382
00:25:13,178 --> 00:25:14,721
(AUDIENCE LAUGHING)

383
00:25:14,721 --> 00:25:16,765
I'm exaggerating.

384
00:25:16,765 --> 00:25:19,851
About once a year we'd get a letter,
somebody would write,

385
00:25:20,685 --> 00:25:23,480
"Hey, I bought one of your books
and there's a staple missing.

386
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:24,773
"I want my money back."

387
00:25:25,815 --> 00:25:28,610
<i>But all of a sudden,
with</i> The Fantastic Four,

388
00:25:28,610 --> 00:25:31,696
{\an8}<i>we really got mail, we really had readers
who said something.</i>

389
00:25:33,031 --> 00:25:36,451
<i>We were getting write-ups
in newspapers and magazines,</i>

390
00:25:36,451 --> 00:25:39,037
<i>and people were asking me
to do interviews.</i>

391
00:25:39,704 --> 00:25:43,166
<i>I began to realize
we have a whole new audience.</i>

392
00:25:44,334 --> 00:25:47,003
<i>At that time
we were calling the company Atlas.</i>

393
00:25:47,462 --> 00:25:49,089
<i>I said we gotta get a new name,</i>

394
00:25:49,089 --> 00:25:52,300
<i>these aren't the same things
we were doing before.</i>

395
00:25:53,093 --> 00:25:55,929
<i>And Martin and I
came up with the name Marvel.</i>

396
00:25:57,681 --> 00:25:59,307
{\an8}<i>That had been the name</i>

397
00:25:59,307 --> 00:26:01,810
<i>of the first comic book
he had ever done,</i>

398
00:26:01,810 --> 00:26:04,688
<i>and I thought it was a great word.</i>

399
00:26:04,688 --> 00:26:07,899
<i>There's so much you can do
with the word Marvel,</i>

400
00:26:07,899 --> 00:26:12,737
{\an8}<i>I used expressions like
"Remember, gang, make mine marvel,"</i>

401
00:26:12,737 --> 00:26:16,324
{\an8}<i>or "Welcome to
The Marvel age of comics!"</i>

402
00:26:16,324 --> 00:26:18,285
<i>Or "Marvel moves on."</i>

403
00:26:18,285 --> 00:26:21,329
<i>I mean, it's the kind of name
you can do a lot with.</i>

404
00:26:22,372 --> 00:26:24,708
<i>That's when everything changed for us.</i>

405
00:26:26,585 --> 00:26:30,964
<i>I've started realizing, to most people
the most important thing</i>

406
00:26:30,964 --> 00:26:35,135
<i>is being entertained,
getting pleasure out of something.</i>

407
00:26:36,970 --> 00:26:39,139
<i>And then, I realized
it applies to me, too.</i>

408
00:26:41,016 --> 00:26:45,478
<i>And I figured maybe what I'm doing
isn't really unimportant.</i>

409
00:26:46,021 --> 00:26:50,692
<i>Maybe entertainment
is one of the most important things,</i>

410
00:26:50,692 --> 00:26:54,154
<i>because there are so many bad things
in the world,</i>

411
00:26:54,154 --> 00:26:58,241
<i>that if you can entertain somebody
for a while, it's a good thing.</i>

412
00:27:08,501 --> 00:27:11,880
<i>So then, instead of quitting,
like I wanted to,</i>

413
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:16,885
<i>I decided that I could make
a big difference writing superhero books.</i>

414
00:27:17,427 --> 00:27:19,512
<i>I thought I could have
a lot of fun with this</i>

415
00:27:19,512 --> 00:27:21,640
<i>and get some real writing in it.</i>

416
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,184
And I used the philosophy of

417
00:27:24,184 --> 00:27:27,103
what would I like to read
if I were reading a book.

418
00:27:29,022 --> 00:27:33,526
<i>When I was a kid, one of the books
that I read was</i> Jekyll and Hyde.

419
00:27:34,736 --> 00:27:37,947
<i>So I wanted to take from</i> Jekyll and Hyde

420
00:27:37,947 --> 00:27:41,993
<i>where he could change
from a normal person into the monster.</i>

421
00:27:45,121 --> 00:27:49,292
<i>And I always liked the</i> Frankenstein <i>movie,
the old one with Karloff.</i>

422
00:27:49,876 --> 00:27:52,337
<i>I always felt the monster
is really the good guy.</i>

423
00:27:52,337 --> 00:27:53,880
<i>He didn't wanna hurt anybody.</i>

424
00:27:55,006 --> 00:27:57,217
<i>So I thought it would be fun
to get a monster</i>

425
00:27:57,217 --> 00:28:00,220
<i>who was really a good guy,
but nobody knew that.</i>

426
00:28:02,097 --> 00:28:04,891
<i>And I remember the conversation
I had with Jack Kirby,</i>

427
00:28:04,891 --> 00:28:07,769
<i>and I said,
"Jack, we're gonna do a monster</i>

428
00:28:07,769 --> 00:28:11,523
<i>"but I want you to draw me
a sympathetic monster.</i>

429
00:28:11,523 --> 00:28:15,360
<i>"Kind of, a good-looking monster
that a reader can take to."</i>

430
00:28:15,360 --> 00:28:20,031
<i>And as I said it, I realized how stupid
it sounded, but Jack never failed.</i>

431
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:23,493
{\an8}<i>Hulk's in all of us.</i>

432
00:28:24,244 --> 00:28:27,288
{\an8}<i>I don't think monsters zero in
on anyone in particular.</i>

433
00:28:27,288 --> 00:28:32,419
{\an8}<i>I think that's why they are
generally pitied more than feared.</i>

434
00:28:32,877 --> 00:28:35,880
<i>I felt that monsters, in some way,
had problems.</i>

435
00:28:36,548 --> 00:28:40,093
<i>Monsters, in human or inhuman form,
are inevitably involved</i>

436
00:28:40,093 --> 00:28:43,972
<i>in some sort of conflict
in which anybody can get hurt.</i>

437
00:28:46,015 --> 00:28:48,435
<i>If you read any dramatic news story,</i>

438
00:28:48,435 --> 00:28:52,439
<i>you'll find that the most dramatic part
about 'em was that</i>

439
00:28:52,897 --> 00:28:54,649
<i>inside a human being</i>

440
00:28:54,649 --> 00:28:58,737
<i>there are some sort of problems
that we're constantly trying to solve.</i>

441
00:29:00,071 --> 00:29:04,451
STAN: <i>One of life's great lessons
that I have learned is,</i>

442
00:29:04,451 --> 00:29:09,497
{\an8}don't try to please a certain segment
of the public, don't try to please them,

443
00:29:10,290 --> 00:29:13,001
'cause you don't really know them,
nobody knows them,

444
00:29:13,668 --> 00:29:15,211
but you know yourself.

445
00:29:15,712 --> 00:29:17,464
Try to please yourself.

446
00:29:17,464 --> 00:29:19,758
At least that's what happened to us
at Marvel.

447
00:29:19,758 --> 00:29:23,803
We started writing stories that amused us.

448
00:29:23,803 --> 00:29:25,889
<i>We started to say,
"Hey, wouldn't it be fun</i>

449
00:29:25,889 --> 00:29:29,184
<i>"if we, you know, had a green-skinned
monster and we call him the Hulk"?</i>

450
00:29:29,184 --> 00:29:32,312
<i>Wow, you know,
and we forgot about the audience.</i>

451
00:29:32,854 --> 00:29:34,314
<i>We forgot about the public.</i>

452
00:29:34,314 --> 00:29:38,151
<i>We suddenly started having fun.
The artists and me.</i>

453
00:29:51,873 --> 00:29:55,251
{\an8}<i>I came to New York in '63.</i>

454
00:29:56,294 --> 00:30:01,549
{\an8}<i>And I went on job interviews,
and one of them was meeting Stan,</i>

455
00:30:02,091 --> 00:30:06,513
{\an8}<i>and he needed a gal Friday,
which meant secretary,</i>

456
00:30:06,513 --> 00:30:09,349
{\an8}<i>only you couldn't type
or take shorthand.</i>

457
00:30:11,017 --> 00:30:16,272
<i>Stan was always an upbeat person,
even maybe when sales weren't going well.</i>

458
00:30:16,272 --> 00:30:19,567
<i>You know, if someone was in trouble,
he always gave them a break.</i>

459
00:30:19,567 --> 00:30:23,238
<i>On the deadline, or they needed money.</i>

460
00:30:23,238 --> 00:30:26,407
<i>I never saw him angry.</i>

461
00:30:27,826 --> 00:30:30,578
<i>Not a whiner, not a complainer.</i>

462
00:30:30,578 --> 00:30:33,748
<i>If something's wrong, "Let's fix it."</i>

463
00:30:35,875 --> 00:30:39,796
<i>The job entailed opening the fan mail,</i>

464
00:30:39,796 --> 00:30:43,258
<i>and then making little cards
and sending cards to the kids.</i>

465
00:30:44,926 --> 00:30:46,135
<i>Then, of course,</i>

466
00:30:46,135 --> 00:30:49,597
<i>superheroes started getting bigger
so there was more mail.</i>

467
00:30:51,140 --> 00:30:54,853
{\an8}<i>You know, people were actually
spending time writing these letters.</i>

468
00:30:56,145 --> 00:31:00,608
<i>It sort of developed gradually,
that there was such a movement.</i>

469
00:31:00,608 --> 00:31:02,777
{\an8}<i>You know, the kids were so interested.</i>

470
00:31:03,528 --> 00:31:05,363
{\an8}<i>We were getting so many letters.</i>

471
00:31:05,363 --> 00:31:09,033
<i>Stan said,
"Maybe we should have a little fan club."</i>

472
00:31:09,576 --> 00:31:13,121
<i>We started
The Merry Marvel Marching Society.</i>

473
00:31:13,580 --> 00:31:17,792
<i>You got a little card, you got a button,</i>

474
00:31:18,001 --> 00:31:21,379
<i>probably some stickers
and a little record.</i>

475
00:31:22,297 --> 00:31:25,550
<i>They got a record
of The Merry Marvel Marching Society.</i>

476
00:31:29,387 --> 00:31:33,349
<i>Okay, out there in Marvel-land,
face front, this is Stan Lee speaking.</i>

477
00:31:33,474 --> 00:31:36,227
<i>You've probably never heard
a record like this before,</i>

478
00:31:36,227 --> 00:31:38,521
<i>because no one would be nutty enough
to make one</i>

479
00:31:38,521 --> 00:31:40,398
<i>with a bunch of offbeat artists,</i>

480
00:31:40,398 --> 00:31:42,108
<i>so anything is liable to happen.</i>

481
00:31:42,525 --> 00:31:44,736
KIRBY: <i>Hey, who made you
a Disc Jockey, Lee?</i>

482
00:31:44,736 --> 00:31:48,114
STAN: <i>Well, well, Jolly Jack Kirby.
Say a few words to the fans, Jackson.</i>

483
00:31:48,114 --> 00:31:49,741
KIRBY: <i>Okay, a few words.</i>

484
00:31:50,325 --> 00:31:53,036
STAN: <i>Look, pal, I'll take care
of the humor around here.</i>

485
00:31:53,036 --> 00:31:56,664
KIRBY: <i>You? You've been using
the same gags over and over for years.</i>

486
00:31:56,915 --> 00:31:59,667
STEINBERG: <i>Oh, Stan?
Do you have a few minutes?</i>

487
00:31:59,667 --> 00:32:01,753
STAN: <i>For our fabulous gal Friday?</i>

488
00:32:01,753 --> 00:32:04,255
<i>Sure, say hello to the fans,
Flo Steinberg.</i>

489
00:32:04,255 --> 00:32:07,342
STEINBERG: <i>Hello, fans,
it's very nice to meet you.</i>

490
00:32:07,342 --> 00:32:08,426
(FOOTSTEPS APPROACHING)

491
00:32:08,426 --> 00:32:10,261
STAN: Hey.
<i>What's all that commotion out there?</i>

492
00:32:10,261 --> 00:32:11,971
KIRBY: <i>Why, it's shy Steve Ditko.</i>

493
00:32:11,971 --> 00:32:14,474
<i>He heard you're making a record
and he's got mic fright.</i>

494
00:32:14,474 --> 00:32:17,185
- STAN: <i>Out the window again?</i>
- (GLASS BREAKING)

495
00:32:17,310 --> 00:32:19,771
<i>You know, I'm beginning to think
he is Spider-Man.</i>

496
00:32:20,188 --> 00:32:24,275
MAN: (SINGING) <i>You belong, you belong
You belong, you belong</i>

497
00:32:24,275 --> 00:32:28,029
<i>To the Merry Marvel Marching Society</i>

498
00:32:28,029 --> 00:32:32,700
<i>March along, march along
To the song of the Merry...</i>

499
00:32:33,368 --> 00:32:37,246
Shall I tell you a little bit,
a very little bit, 'cause it can get dull,

500
00:32:37,246 --> 00:32:39,332
even duller than what you've been hearing,

501
00:32:39,332 --> 00:32:42,377
about the way we write
and draw these scripts?

502
00:32:42,961 --> 00:32:46,464
<i>In the beginning,
I was writing just about all the stories,</i>

503
00:32:46,464 --> 00:32:51,386
<i>and as we kept adding book after book,
I couldn't keep up with all the artists,</i>

504
00:32:51,386 --> 00:32:54,555
{\an8}<i>so I'd be writing a script,
let's say, for Jack Kirby.</i>

505
00:32:54,555 --> 00:32:57,058
{\an8}<i>Suddenly, Steve Ditko
would walk in and he'd say,</i>

506
00:32:57,058 --> 00:32:59,936
<i>"Hey, Stan, I finished my last job,
I need another one."</i>

507
00:32:59,936 --> 00:33:02,605
<i>So, out of sheer desperation
I said to him,</i>

508
00:33:02,605 --> 00:33:06,901
<i>"Let me just give you a plot,
you go on home and draw it,</i>

509
00:33:06,901 --> 00:33:09,153
<i>"any way you want. Bring it in to me,</i>

510
00:33:09,153 --> 00:33:12,240
<i>"and I'll put in the dialogue
and the captions."</i>

511
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,325
<i>It started as an emergency measure,</i>

512
00:33:14,325 --> 00:33:18,705
<i>but I began to realize,
this is a great way to do it.</i>

513
00:33:20,873 --> 00:33:24,002
<i>Very often in the office
when I'm describing a scene or something,</i>

514
00:33:24,002 --> 00:33:25,795
<i>I'd go storming around the office,</i>

515
00:33:25,795 --> 00:33:28,965
<i>and I would think anybody
looking in on a story conference</i>

516
00:33:28,965 --> 00:33:33,136
<i>at our place would think they're watching
some silent movie being filmed.</i>

517
00:33:33,136 --> 00:33:34,679
STEINBERG: <i>When an artist would come in</i>

518
00:33:34,679 --> 00:33:37,056
<i>and they would be working
on the plot together,</i>

519
00:33:37,056 --> 00:33:39,809
<i>they would act it out
and Stan would jump on the desk</i>

520
00:33:39,809 --> 00:33:43,688
<i>and run around on the desk, and you know,
act the part of the superhero.</i>

521
00:33:43,688 --> 00:33:46,691
<i>They would brainstorm
and there'd be all this noise.</i>

522
00:33:46,691 --> 00:33:48,276
<i>Sometimes if I were on the phone,</i>

523
00:33:48,276 --> 00:33:51,904
I'd have to yell in there,
"Keep it down, keep it down."

524
00:33:52,405 --> 00:33:55,283
STAN: <i>Jack and I have gotten to work
so well together,</i>

525
00:33:55,283 --> 00:33:58,870
<i>that our plotting session
will be something like,</i>

526
00:33:58,870 --> 00:34:03,499
<i>"Hey, in the next</i> Fantastic Four, <i>Jack,
let's let the villain be Doctor Doom."</i>

527
00:34:03,499 --> 00:34:06,252
<i>"Where did he come from?
Where did we leave off with him?"</i>

528
00:34:06,252 --> 00:34:09,714
<i>And I'll say, "Oh, yeah, he was fading off
into another universe.</i>

529
00:34:09,714 --> 00:34:11,716
<i>"Find some way
to bring him back, Jack,</i>

530
00:34:11,716 --> 00:34:14,677
<i>"and then we'll have him attack
the Fantastic Four, and then,</i>

531
00:34:14,677 --> 00:34:18,264
<i>"let's let the story end with him
running off</i>

532
00:34:18,264 --> 00:34:20,391
<i>"and eloping with Sue Storm or something."</i>

533
00:34:21,267 --> 00:34:23,352
<i>Jack will say "Fine" and he goes off,</i>

534
00:34:23,352 --> 00:34:25,688
<i>and by the time
he brings the artwork back,</i>

535
00:34:25,688 --> 00:34:27,440
<i>it might be that particular plot</i>

536
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,068
<i>or he might have changed
fifty million things.</i>

537
00:34:30,860 --> 00:34:33,738
<i>So he doesn't know
exactly what I'm gonna write,</i>

538
00:34:33,738 --> 00:34:35,615
<i>what words I'm gonna put in their mouths.</i>

539
00:34:35,615 --> 00:34:40,953
<i>I don't know what he's gonna draw.
The whole thing is virtual chaos.</i>

540
00:34:40,953 --> 00:34:44,624
<i>But somehow when it gets together,
it seems to hold together pretty well,</i>

541
00:34:44,624 --> 00:34:46,584
<i>and we kinda like working this way.</i>

542
00:34:47,460 --> 00:34:49,796
<i>It isn't the artist,
it isn't the writer.</i>

543
00:34:49,796 --> 00:34:51,714
<i>It's the artist and the writer.</i>

544
00:34:51,714 --> 00:34:53,508
<i>It's pictures and stories,</i>

545
00:34:53,508 --> 00:34:58,429
<i>and when they blend together perfectly,
then you've got a great comic.</i>

546
00:35:01,349 --> 00:35:06,187
<i>Working that way as a team,
it became known as the Marvel Method.</i>

547
00:35:15,780 --> 00:35:20,743
<i>Joan and I, we got a little apartment
in New York on 94th Street.</i>

548
00:35:21,369 --> 00:35:23,204
<i>We stayed there for a year or two.</i>

549
00:35:23,913 --> 00:35:25,665
<i>And then, Joan got pregnant.</i>

550
00:35:26,374 --> 00:35:29,460
<i>We decided we ought to move to a house
to have the baby</i>

551
00:35:29,460 --> 00:35:31,003
<i>and we moved to Long Island.</i>

552
00:35:34,006 --> 00:35:37,135
<i>We got a little house,
and we could just barely afford it.</i>

553
00:35:38,970 --> 00:35:41,389
{\an8}<i>We had a daughter, Joan C. Lee.</i>

554
00:35:42,265 --> 00:35:46,060
<i>We're so vain!
We decided to name our daughter Joan,</i>

555
00:35:46,060 --> 00:35:49,438
<i>and if we had had a son,
we'd have called him Stan.</i>

556
00:35:50,523 --> 00:35:53,943
<i>In fact, we did have another baby,
a girl, we couldn't call her Stan,</i>

557
00:35:53,943 --> 00:36:00,491
<i>so called her Jan, but unfortunately,
she died a few hours after she was born,</i>

558
00:36:01,659 --> 00:36:03,703
<i>and Joan couldn't have any other kids,</i>

559
00:36:05,496 --> 00:36:08,291
<i>so we spoiled Joan rotten.</i>

560
00:36:09,750 --> 00:36:11,919
{\an8}<i>I think she's a mixture of both of us.</i>

561
00:36:11,919 --> 00:36:13,254
{\an8}<i>She's very talented.</i>

562
00:36:14,589 --> 00:36:18,676
{\an8}<i>Think it's difficult being a child
of two such strong parents,</i>

563
00:36:18,676 --> 00:36:21,179
{\an8}<i>I think that's always difficult,
and we are.</i>

564
00:36:22,305 --> 00:36:24,307
STAN: <i>After a while we called her J.C.</i>

565
00:36:24,307 --> 00:36:27,185
<i>'cause our daughter's name
was Joan C. Lee.</i>

566
00:36:27,310 --> 00:36:30,730
<i>The C standing for Celia,
which was my mother's name.</i>

567
00:36:31,189 --> 00:36:33,524
<i>And Joanie was Joan B. Lee.</i>

568
00:36:37,778 --> 00:36:40,865
<i>My wife and I are really so close.</i>

569
00:36:40,865 --> 00:36:44,035
<i>She's the greatest.
I mean, she's an incredible woman.</i>

570
00:36:44,660 --> 00:36:49,624
<i>My wife, I think, is incredibly beautiful,
smart, charming, fun to be with.</i>

571
00:36:49,624 --> 00:36:53,419
<i>When we used to dance,
I let her lead. She was so good.</i>

572
00:36:53,419 --> 00:36:55,046
<i>I tried to keep up with her.</i>

573
00:36:55,046 --> 00:36:58,758
<i>So I tried to put those qualities
in all the women I wrote about.</i>

574
00:36:59,467 --> 00:37:06,015
<i>Mary Jane, for example, was very peppy
and effervescent and kinda hip and cool.</i>

575
00:37:06,724 --> 00:37:07,892
<i>That was my wife.</i>

576
00:37:08,851 --> 00:37:10,186
<i>She's the perfect wife for me</i>

577
00:37:10,186 --> 00:37:14,357
<i>because I spend so much time writing
when I'm home,</i>

578
00:37:15,066 --> 00:37:20,029
<i>and Joanie, she can always keep
herself busy, which is wonderful.</i>

579
00:37:20,029 --> 00:37:23,157
<i>So I don't feel guilty
when I'm in my room writing.</i>

580
00:37:25,451 --> 00:37:28,371
JOAN: <i>He's a vanishing breed.
There are no men like Stan today.</i>

581
00:37:28,371 --> 00:37:30,957
<i>He's an endangered species.
One has to protect him.</i>

582
00:37:30,957 --> 00:37:33,251
<i>Because he's blessed
with tremendous energy.</i>

583
00:37:33,251 --> 00:37:35,127
<i>He's an ever straight man.</i>

584
00:37:35,253 --> 00:37:37,213
<i>Doesn't take booze,
doesn't smoke cigarettes.</i>

585
00:37:37,213 --> 00:37:38,631
<i>And gets up every day and says,</i>

586
00:37:38,631 --> 00:37:41,092
<i>"Thank God this arm works,
and this leg works,</i>

587
00:37:41,092 --> 00:37:42,343
<i>"and life is great."</i>

588
00:37:42,343 --> 00:37:44,512
<i>He's been a very good husband.</i>

589
00:37:45,471 --> 00:37:47,890
INTERVIEWER: <i>So, what's your secret
for a successful marriage?</i>

590
00:37:48,432 --> 00:37:51,018
JOAN: <i>He's my best friend
and I'm his best friend...</i>

591
00:37:51,018 --> 00:37:53,229
<i>- liking each other.
- Okay.</i>

592
00:37:53,479 --> 00:37:55,898
<i>You know, it isn't that kind of
oh, love, love, love.</i>

593
00:37:55,898 --> 00:37:58,776
<i>Kids kinda fall in love and think
you're gonna be in bed all day.</i>

594
00:37:58,776 --> 00:38:01,070
<i>That's not what marriage is.
Marriage is like a farm.</i>

595
00:38:01,070 --> 00:38:04,323
<i>You have to get up every day
and work at it every single day.</i>

596
00:38:04,615 --> 00:38:08,911
<i>He's still the most amazing person
I've ever met in my life.</i>

597
00:38:15,876 --> 00:38:18,087
(ROCK AND ROLL MUSIC PLAYING ON RADIO)

598
00:38:18,087 --> 00:38:19,213
(RADIO STATIONS SWITCHING)

599
00:38:19,213 --> 00:38:22,425
MAN ON RADIO: <i>The early teens are
years of upheaval and turmoil.</i>

600
00:38:25,219 --> 00:38:26,595
REPORTER: <i>Do you think that teenagers</i>

601
00:38:26,595 --> 00:38:28,931
<i>are any different today
from how they used to be?</i>

602
00:38:29,557 --> 00:38:30,558
Yes, I do.

603
00:38:31,225 --> 00:38:34,937
Do you think teenagers today are better
or worse than they used to be?

604
00:38:34,937 --> 00:38:36,355
I think they're worse.

605
00:38:37,023 --> 00:38:42,945
Today, we've come to a time in history
when there definitely is a generation gap.

606
00:38:42,945 --> 00:38:46,782
TEEN BOY: <i>There is a teenage world,
you know. If the adults don't like it</i>

607
00:38:46,782 --> 00:38:48,909
{\an8}that's only because
they don't want a part of it.

608
00:38:48,909 --> 00:38:50,953
STAN: <i>Anything that can be done</i>

609
00:38:50,953 --> 00:38:55,458
<i>to help present the point of view
of these young people</i>

610
00:38:55,458 --> 00:38:58,294
without hostility, with respect,

611
00:38:58,294 --> 00:39:00,671
would be a very beneficial thing.

612
00:39:02,465 --> 00:39:04,425
<i>When I was 17-years-old,</i>

613
00:39:04,633 --> 00:39:07,553
<i>I was an editor, art director,
and head writer,</i>

614
00:39:08,512 --> 00:39:12,475
<i>but at that time,
the teenager wasn't respected.</i>

615
00:39:12,475 --> 00:39:14,977
So I figured, hell, I'm gonna change that.

616
00:39:15,770 --> 00:39:18,898
<i>Why not have a teenager who's a hero?</i>

617
00:39:18,898 --> 00:39:21,400
Why couldn't a teenager
have a super power?

618
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:22,568
I loved that idea.

619
00:39:25,404 --> 00:39:28,699
<i>I felt that I would like to, for once,</i>

620
00:39:28,699 --> 00:39:34,163
<i>do a strip about a teenager
who isn't a sidekick, but he is the hero.</i>

621
00:39:34,872 --> 00:39:38,250
<i>And I wanna make him like a real teenager.</i>

622
00:39:38,250 --> 00:39:41,545
<i>He's not a guy who can do anything
and never has a problem.</i>

623
00:39:42,838 --> 00:39:44,632
<i>But I had to come up with a name.</i>

624
00:39:46,300 --> 00:39:51,764
<i>As a kid, I had loved a pulp magazine
named</i> The Spider.

625
00:39:52,139 --> 00:39:56,018
<i>The most dramatic thing I could think of,
the cover of this magazine,</i>

626
00:39:56,018 --> 00:40:00,606
<i>it said, "The Spider: Master of Men."</i>

627
00:40:00,606 --> 00:40:03,442
<i>Somehow, to me, at the age of nine,</i>

628
00:40:04,193 --> 00:40:06,487
<i>"Master of Men, oh, I'd love to be a..."</i>

629
00:40:06,487 --> 00:40:09,073
<i>You know, who wouldn't want to be
a master of men?</i>

630
00:40:09,073 --> 00:40:10,908
{\an8}<i>And he had a ring,</i>

631
00:40:10,908 --> 00:40:15,538
{\an8}<i>and he'd punch a bad guy in the face
and it had a little spider on the ring,</i>

632
00:40:15,538 --> 00:40:19,041
<i>and it would leave a spider mark
on the guy's jaw.</i>

633
00:40:21,043 --> 00:40:23,045
<i>That name always stuck with me.</i>

634
00:40:26,173 --> 00:40:28,008
Then I thought why not Spider-Man?

635
00:40:29,427 --> 00:40:31,387
(TYPEWRITER CLACKING)

636
00:40:42,606 --> 00:40:45,401
<i>I walked in to the publisher
Martin Goodman</i>

637
00:40:45,401 --> 00:40:48,195
<i>and I said "I have an idea for a book
called</i> Spider-Man

638
00:40:48,195 --> 00:40:51,198
<i>"about a teenager
who has a lot of problems."</i>

639
00:40:51,699 --> 00:40:54,869
<i>This time, Martin wouldn't go along
with me, he said, "Stan,</i>

640
00:40:55,369 --> 00:40:56,829
<i>"I'm surprised at you.</i>

641
00:40:56,829 --> 00:41:02,084
<i>"And a hero can't be a teenager.
A teenager can only be a sidekick.</i>

642
00:41:02,084 --> 00:41:05,087
<i>"And you say you want him
to have problems?</i>

643
00:41:05,087 --> 00:41:07,423
<i>"Don't you know what a superhero is?"</i>

644
00:41:09,633 --> 00:41:12,303
<i>He was the boss
and I couldn't put</i> Spider-Man <i>out.</i>

645
00:41:15,347 --> 00:41:19,310
<i>But I just felt I had
to get it out of my system.</i>

646
00:41:20,686 --> 00:41:23,606
<i>Months later,
we had a book we were going to kill</i>

647
00:41:23,606 --> 00:41:26,275
<i>called</i> Amazing Fantasy.

648
00:41:26,275 --> 00:41:27,860
<i>When you drop a book,</i>

649
00:41:27,860 --> 00:41:31,572
nobody cares what you put in
the last issue, 'cause you're killing it.

650
00:41:31,947 --> 00:41:34,533
<i>So just to get it out of my system,</i>

651
00:41:34,533 --> 00:41:37,119
<i>I put Spider-Man
and I feature him on the cover.</i>

652
00:41:38,370 --> 00:41:40,831
<i>I'm lucky
Martin didn't fire me on the spot.</i>

653
00:41:41,624 --> 00:41:42,958
<i>But in that story,</i>

654
00:41:43,334 --> 00:41:47,588
<i>I tried to heap as many problems
as I could on poor Peter Parker.</i>

655
00:41:47,588 --> 00:41:53,302
<i>Because I feel most people, even people
who seem to be happy, have problems.</i>

656
00:41:54,011 --> 00:41:57,389
<i>Spider-Man's got
the strength of 25 men</i>

657
00:41:57,389 --> 00:42:02,311
<i>and can walk on walls and swing
from building to building on his own web,</i>

658
00:42:02,686 --> 00:42:05,606
<i>but he still can't go out
and chase a villain</i>

659
00:42:05,606 --> 00:42:09,485
<i>because his old Aunt May says,
"It's raining out</i>

660
00:42:09,485 --> 00:42:12,071
<i>"and you might catch cold.
Better stay home tonight."</i>

661
00:42:12,863 --> 00:42:16,450
<i>I had not read any other superheroes</i>

662
00:42:16,450 --> 00:42:20,454
<i>who felt they wished
they could quit being a superhero.</i>

663
00:42:21,121 --> 00:42:24,750
<i>I made him a guy
who is very introspective.</i>

664
00:42:24,750 --> 00:42:27,962
<i>He questions, "Why am I doing this?"</i>

665
00:42:31,006 --> 00:42:32,550
<i>The book went on sale.</i>

666
00:42:32,550 --> 00:42:35,511
<i>Later, when the sales figures came in,</i>

667
00:42:35,511 --> 00:42:38,389
<i>Martin came running into my office,
he said, "Stan!</i>

668
00:42:38,389 --> 00:42:42,768
<i>"Do you remember that character of yours,
Spider-Man, that we both liked so much?</i>

669
00:42:43,519 --> 00:42:45,437
<i>"Why don't you do a series of him?"</i>

670
00:42:49,108 --> 00:42:52,152
<i>After that, I felt I can do anything.</i>

671
00:43:00,744 --> 00:43:02,746
<i>There were always good artists around.</i>

672
00:43:03,872 --> 00:43:06,917
<i>Jack and Steve, both were terribly unique.</i>

673
00:43:08,794 --> 00:43:13,549
<i>Conceptually, Jack's artwork
is very much like a good, exciting movie.</i>

674
00:43:13,549 --> 00:43:20,097
<i>Jack has a way of hitting the high point,
visually, in every situation he's drawing.</i>

675
00:43:20,097 --> 00:43:23,559
{\an8}<i>He'll draw the extreme of that situation.</i>

676
00:43:23,559 --> 00:43:27,354
<i>Whatever is the most exciting element,
he will draw that.</i>

677
00:43:27,354 --> 00:43:31,483
{\an8}<i>And consequently his artwork
is always fascinating to watch.</i>

678
00:43:33,569 --> 00:43:38,449
<i>Steve Ditko, he drew characters,
in many ways, the opposite of Jack.</i>

679
00:43:38,449 --> 00:43:42,369
<i>Steve's artwork, I always felt,
was very low-key</i>

680
00:43:42,369 --> 00:43:46,624
<i>and he had a way
of telling a story realistically.</i>

681
00:43:46,624 --> 00:43:49,376
<i>After a while, you'd forget
you're reading a comic book</i>

682
00:43:49,376 --> 00:43:51,587
<i>and you'd think this was really happening.</i>

683
00:43:52,921 --> 00:43:56,884
<i>Jack Kirby was probably
the greatest comic book artist around,</i>

684
00:43:56,884 --> 00:44:00,304
and I wanted Jack, originally,
to do the <i>Spider-Man,</i>

685
00:44:00,304 --> 00:44:02,765
but I didn't want Spider-Man
to look heroic.

686
00:44:02,765 --> 00:44:06,060
I wanted him to be just
a typical nebbishy kind of guy,

687
00:44:06,185 --> 00:44:07,853
<i>and I mentioned that to Jack,</i>

688
00:44:07,853 --> 00:44:12,149
<i>but Jack was so used to drawing
Captain America and characters like that.</i>

689
00:44:12,149 --> 00:44:15,444
<i>When he gave me the first couple of pages,
I said, "No, that...</i>

690
00:44:15,444 --> 00:44:17,279
<i>"You got him looking too heroic."</i>

691
00:44:17,279 --> 00:44:20,699
<i>So I gave the strip to Steve.
It didn't matter to Jack.</i>

692
00:44:20,699 --> 00:44:22,409
<i>Nobody knew it would be a big strip</i>

693
00:44:22,409 --> 00:44:24,745
<i>and Jack was busy
doing all the other books.</i>

694
00:44:24,745 --> 00:44:27,039
<i>Steve was just perfect for it.</i>

695
00:44:27,039 --> 00:44:30,334
<i>He got that feeling of an average guy</i>

696
00:44:30,334 --> 00:44:32,795
<i>who turned into a hero
and still had problems.</i>

697
00:44:35,798 --> 00:44:38,384
<i>And lo, a legend was born.</i>

698
00:44:44,306 --> 00:44:47,976
BOY: <i>Here's our special guest, Stan Lee.</i>

699
00:44:47,976 --> 00:44:49,978
How about Spider-Man?
Know about Spider-Man?

700
00:44:49,978 --> 00:44:51,063
KIDS: Yeah.

701
00:44:51,063 --> 00:44:53,065
- How about the Hulk? You know the Hulk?
- Yeah.

702
00:44:53,065 --> 00:44:54,900
Which one is your favorite?

703
00:44:54,900 --> 00:44:58,779
Oh, gee. You know, that's almost like
asking a parent who's his favorite child?

704
00:44:58,779 --> 00:45:00,406
I think I love them all.

705
00:45:00,406 --> 00:45:03,367
But maybe I like Spider-Man
a little bit better,

706
00:45:03,367 --> 00:45:05,452
and maybe
it's because he's just so popular.

707
00:45:05,452 --> 00:45:06,829
BOY: In comics, is it usually

708
00:45:06,829 --> 00:45:10,040
the big, strong, and ugly characters
that are most successful?

709
00:45:11,041 --> 00:45:12,418
No. You know what it is?

710
00:45:12,418 --> 00:45:15,838
It's the ones
that are the most interesting

711
00:45:15,838 --> 00:45:19,383
and the ones that the readers
of comics can most relate to.

712
00:45:19,383 --> 00:45:23,011
It doesn't matter if the character
is ugly, or is handsome,

713
00:45:23,011 --> 00:45:25,472
or is weak, or is strong.

714
00:45:25,472 --> 00:45:29,393
If there's something about the character
that makes you like the character

715
00:45:29,393 --> 00:45:31,645
and care about the character,

716
00:45:31,645 --> 00:45:35,232
<i>the word for that is,
you have to empathize with the character.</i>

717
00:45:36,692 --> 00:45:40,821
Why do there have to be superheroes
and what makes a good one?

718
00:45:40,821 --> 00:45:44,158
What ingredients does it take to have
like a Spider-Man or a Superman?

719
00:45:44,158 --> 00:45:45,826
The one important thing is empathy.

720
00:45:45,826 --> 00:45:48,662
It has to be a superhero
the reader cares about.

721
00:45:48,662 --> 00:45:51,373
One thing we've tried to do at Marvel,

722
00:45:51,373 --> 00:45:55,878
we have tried to have superheroes
that are more realistic,

723
00:45:55,878 --> 00:45:57,171
more flesh and blood

724
00:45:57,171 --> 00:46:01,133
and it prepares the young reader
for the fact that

725
00:46:01,133 --> 00:46:03,969
- when he gets out into the world...
- MAN: To climb walls.

726
00:46:03,969 --> 00:46:07,765
...he realizes that he doesn't expect
his heroes to be perfect.

727
00:46:09,975 --> 00:46:13,103
<i>There was a time
when Spider-Man received a check</i>

728
00:46:13,103 --> 00:46:16,815
<i>as a reward for something he had done,
made out to Spider-Man</i>

729
00:46:16,815 --> 00:46:20,277
<i>and he went to a bank to cash it
in his Spider-Man costume</i>

730
00:46:20,277 --> 00:46:23,363
<i>and the teller said,
"Well, I can't cash this check,</i>

731
00:46:23,363 --> 00:46:25,324
<i>-"I need identification."</i>
- (WOMAN LAUGHS)

732
00:46:25,324 --> 00:46:27,743
<i>And he said, "Oh, I'm wearing
a Spider-Man costume."</i>

733
00:46:27,743 --> 00:46:30,204
<i>He said, "Anybody could wear
a Spider-Man costume."</i>

734
00:46:32,414 --> 00:46:34,583
<i>He was never able to cash the check.</i>

735
00:46:37,211 --> 00:46:42,257
<i>I wanted those books,
more than anything else, to be fun.</i>

736
00:46:42,257 --> 00:46:46,678
<i>And I wanted everything in them
to attract the readers' attention</i>

737
00:46:46,678 --> 00:46:49,431
<i>and to cause the readers to talk.</i>

738
00:46:50,224 --> 00:46:51,767
<i>And I wanted to do whatever I could</i>

739
00:46:51,767 --> 00:46:55,854
<i>to set our books aside
and apart from the rest.</i>

740
00:46:56,605 --> 00:46:58,106
<i>I was just having fun.</i>

741
00:46:58,106 --> 00:47:00,234
<i>Anything I thought of I said,
"That's a good idea.</i>

742
00:47:00,234 --> 00:47:03,111
<i>"I'm gonna write, 'The world's
greatest comic.' What the hell."</i>

743
00:47:03,904 --> 00:47:08,367
INTERVIEWER: You describe what you call
the wild wondrous world of Marvel Comics.

744
00:47:08,367 --> 00:47:10,077
What kind of world is it?

745
00:47:10,077 --> 00:47:14,748
Basically, we think of Marvel Comics
as fairy tales for older people.

746
00:47:14,748 --> 00:47:19,294
Actually, I think what we do mostly
is improve on the old legends, you see.

747
00:47:19,294 --> 00:47:22,297
We take the best of them
and give it a little Marvel touch

748
00:47:22,297 --> 00:47:24,883
and we've got something
really indescribable.

749
00:47:29,179 --> 00:47:33,267
<i>Jack and I had already done</i>
The Hulk <i>and</i> The Fantastic Four.

750
00:47:33,267 --> 00:47:37,813
<i>And I felt, what can we do
to top these other characters?</i>

751
00:47:37,813 --> 00:47:41,233
<i>And it occurred to me,
we hadn't done a god.</i>

752
00:47:41,859 --> 00:47:46,071
<i>Most people had read all about
the Greek gods and the Roman gods</i>

753
00:47:46,071 --> 00:47:50,742
<i>but the Norse Gods weren't as well known.
So I figured</i>

754
00:47:50,742 --> 00:47:52,786
<i>why not do the Norse Gods?</i>

755
00:47:52,786 --> 00:47:55,914
<i>And I thought Thor
was the most dramatic of all</i>

756
00:47:55,914 --> 00:48:00,335
<i>'cause he had that magic hammer,
and he was the most powerful one.</i>

757
00:48:00,335 --> 00:48:03,297
<i>And he was the God of Thunder.</i>

758
00:48:07,718 --> 00:48:09,887
<i>I thought it would just be another book,</i>

759
00:48:09,887 --> 00:48:13,181
<i>and I think that Jack has turned him
into one of the greatest</i>

760
00:48:13,849 --> 00:48:16,602
<i>fictional characters there are.</i>

761
00:48:16,935 --> 00:48:19,938
{\an8}KIRBY: <i>All through the years, certainly,
I've had a kind of affection</i>

762
00:48:19,938 --> 00:48:22,649
{\an8}<i>for any mythological type of character,</i>

763
00:48:22,649 --> 00:48:25,110
<i>and here Stan gave me
the opportunity to draw one</i>

764
00:48:25,110 --> 00:48:28,447
<i>and I wasn't gonna draw back
from really letting myself go.</i>

765
00:48:28,447 --> 00:48:32,242
<i>So I did. And the world
became a stage for me.</i>

766
00:48:32,242 --> 00:48:34,453
<i>I gave the Norse characters twists</i>

767
00:48:34,453 --> 00:48:37,497
<i>that they never had
in anybody's imagination,</i>

768
00:48:37,956 --> 00:48:40,417
<i>and somehow
it turned out to be a lot of fun</i>

769
00:48:40,417 --> 00:48:42,294
<i>and I really enjoyed doing it.</i>

770
00:48:47,341 --> 00:48:50,802
<i>It occurred to us that what we do
is we create our own mythology,</i>

771
00:48:50,802 --> 00:48:52,721
<i>and we create our own universes.</i>

772
00:48:53,764 --> 00:48:57,851
{\an8}<i>One thing I think that we've innovated
that has been pretty successful</i>

773
00:48:57,851 --> 00:49:00,854
{\an8}<i>is overlapping characters and books.</i>

774
00:49:01,355 --> 00:49:04,900
<i>It's like a repertory theatre,
where you've got your actors</i>

775
00:49:04,900 --> 00:49:08,695
<i>and you know what they can do,
and you can use them as needed.</i>

776
00:49:09,071 --> 00:49:13,575
{\an8}<i>Once we have our cast of characters,
whether heroes or villains,</i>

777
00:49:13,575 --> 00:49:16,161
{\an8}<i>it makes it easier for us to base stories,</i>

778
00:49:16,453 --> 00:49:18,580
<i>but we do it because it seems to me that</i>

779
00:49:19,206 --> 00:49:21,625
<i>you enjoy things you're familiar with,</i>

780
00:49:21,625 --> 00:49:24,878
<i>and the readers eventually
get to know these characters,</i>

781
00:49:24,878 --> 00:49:28,882
<i>and they're interested in these characters
and why just get rid of them?</i>

782
00:49:28,882 --> 00:49:32,302
<i>If we have a villain
who fought the Fantastic Four,</i>

783
00:49:32,302 --> 00:49:35,430
<i>why shouldn't he eventually meet
another one of our heroes?</i>

784
00:49:35,430 --> 00:49:38,517
<i>Or why shouldn't our heroes meet,
as they often do,</i>

785
00:49:38,517 --> 00:49:40,268
<i>and guest star in each other's book?</i>

786
00:49:40,268 --> 00:49:44,356
<i>Because, according to the gospel
as preached by Marvel,</i>

787
00:49:44,356 --> 00:49:46,108
<i>they all live in the same world.</i>

788
00:49:52,406 --> 00:49:55,659
MAN ON RADIO: <i>...the US has added up to
$3 billion and 14,000 men...</i>

789
00:49:55,659 --> 00:49:56,743
(RADIO STATIONS SWITCHING)

790
00:49:56,743 --> 00:49:58,912
<i>America's involvement grows deeper
and more dangerous.</i>

791
00:49:58,912 --> 00:50:01,206
STAN: <i>We were very much affected at Marvel</i>

792
00:50:01,206 --> 00:50:04,042
<i>by what was going on
in the world around us,</i>

793
00:50:04,668 --> 00:50:08,005
<i>and in Vietnam
and what was going on at this time.</i>

794
00:50:09,256 --> 00:50:12,718
<i>I think it's a not only indefensible war,
I think it's a ridiculous war.</i>

795
00:50:12,718 --> 00:50:15,762
<i>I agree with the word you used,
I think it's an obscene war.</i>

796
00:50:16,847 --> 00:50:20,934
{\an8}<i>Everybody was against the war.
The kids in those days hated it.</i>

797
00:50:20,934 --> 00:50:22,894
{\an8}(INDISTINCT SHOUTING)

798
00:50:32,821 --> 00:50:35,240
<i>We have a character called Iron Man.</i>

799
00:50:36,408 --> 00:50:40,037
<i>He's a guy in a big metal suit
and he's very powerful</i>

800
00:50:40,037 --> 00:50:42,914
<i>and he has little jets
on the bottom of the soles,</i>

801
00:50:42,914 --> 00:50:44,624
<i>which enable him to fly,</i>

802
00:50:44,624 --> 00:50:47,961
<i>and he was supplying weapons
to the United States Army</i>

803
00:50:47,961 --> 00:50:49,880
<i>for the Vietnamese war and so forth.</i>

804
00:50:51,882 --> 00:50:55,260
<i>So, how do you make somebody
really care about a guy like this?</i>

805
00:50:57,888 --> 00:50:59,890
<i>We made him lovable.</i>

806
00:50:59,890 --> 00:51:03,310
<i>He has a weak heart
and he's been injured in battle,</i>

807
00:51:03,310 --> 00:51:05,479
<i>and he really is a good guy.</i>

808
00:51:06,938 --> 00:51:10,734
<i>Our heroes have all sorts
of failings and fallacies.</i>

809
00:51:10,734 --> 00:51:14,905
{\an8}<i>They might lose just as often as win
if they're fighting with a villain.</i>

810
00:51:15,489 --> 00:51:19,493
<i>And our villains are really adorable.
They go right to your hearts.</i>

811
00:51:20,827 --> 00:51:27,042
<i>We learned the villains are usually
at least as popular as the heroes are.</i>

812
00:51:27,042 --> 00:51:28,627
<i>They have a great appeal.</i>

813
00:51:29,294 --> 00:51:32,589
<i>We try to give them
understandable qualities</i>

814
00:51:32,589 --> 00:51:35,008
<i>and reasons
why they are the way they are.</i>

815
00:51:35,008 --> 00:51:37,969
<i>We've even had villains who reformed
and became heroes.</i>

816
00:51:37,969 --> 00:51:40,972
<i>After a while, we don't know
who the heroes and who the villains are.</i>

817
00:51:40,972 --> 00:51:42,516
<i>There's such a fine line.</i>

818
00:51:45,769 --> 00:51:47,312
<i>And that's the real world.</i>

819
00:51:48,230 --> 00:51:50,899
<i>Things aren't just black and white.</i>

820
00:51:58,115 --> 00:52:02,119
What's happening in comics today?
They've grabbed an older readership.

821
00:52:02,119 --> 00:52:05,580
- Yeah!
- At Marvel, we have as many college kids

822
00:52:05,580 --> 00:52:07,916
reading our books
as we have seven-year-olds.

823
00:52:07,916 --> 00:52:10,752
I rarely hold up books,
but this is an interesting book...

824
00:52:10,752 --> 00:52:12,629
- It is.
- Well, let him tell about it.

825
00:52:12,629 --> 00:52:14,381
He's a collector who is impartial.

826
00:52:14,381 --> 00:52:17,926
{\an8}I think that anybody,
and I say this,

827
00:52:17,926 --> 00:52:20,679
{\an8}anybody could get into that book
and get something out of it

828
00:52:20,679 --> 00:52:22,806
and learn something from it.
It is a novel

829
00:52:22,806 --> 00:52:24,891
or a Cecil B. DeMille movie
or anything else,

830
00:52:24,891 --> 00:52:26,726
only it's done with still pictures.

831
00:52:26,726 --> 00:52:30,063
Why do you say he has to learn?
Can't he be entertained by what he reads?

832
00:52:30,063 --> 00:52:32,315
Does he have to read it
like a school book?

833
00:52:32,315 --> 00:52:35,026
Can't you be educated and entertained
at the same time?

834
00:52:35,026 --> 00:52:38,071
{\an8}We found our readers
want to be entertained.

835
00:52:38,071 --> 00:52:41,032
{\an8}They want to lose themselves.
They don't wanna be educated.

836
00:52:41,032 --> 00:52:42,742
{\an8}They don't want anything relevant.

837
00:52:42,742 --> 00:52:46,621
I would not recommend Superman
or Batman to anyone over 12.

838
00:52:46,621 --> 00:52:47,914
They're nice for kids.

839
00:52:47,914 --> 00:52:52,127
Adults have come to believe there's
nothing of value in comics for them,

840
00:52:52,127 --> 00:52:54,045
and there is something of value.

841
00:52:54,045 --> 00:52:56,756
You cannot condemn a medium
on the basis of its format.

842
00:52:57,757 --> 00:53:02,345
STAN: <i>The more I realized
how influential our books were,</i>

843
00:53:02,345 --> 00:53:06,808
<i>the more I tried
to get some moral lessons in the stories.</i>

844
00:53:11,771 --> 00:53:15,901
<i>I don't want to sound
like I'm the most moral guy in the world,</i>

845
00:53:15,901 --> 00:53:20,071
<i>but I always felt there were some issues
that ought to be addressed.</i>

846
00:53:24,868 --> 00:53:28,496
{\an8}<i>One of the things that is terrible
is the fact that</i>

847
00:53:28,496 --> 00:53:31,750
{\an8}<i>so many people dislike</i>

848
00:53:31,750 --> 00:53:34,461
{\an8}<i>and hate other people</i>

849
00:53:34,461 --> 00:53:36,421
{\an8}<i>just because they're different.</i>

850
00:53:39,257 --> 00:53:42,427
<i>I did one story called "The Hate Monger,"</i>

851
00:53:42,969 --> 00:53:46,348
{\an8}<i>and it was really a takeoff
on the Ku Klux Klan.</i>

852
00:53:47,599 --> 00:53:51,353
{\an8}<i>It had to do with a villain
who espoused hatred</i>

853
00:53:51,353 --> 00:53:53,688
<i>of one group of people for another.</i>

854
00:53:55,232 --> 00:53:58,485
<i>I sort of hoped
it would give our readers</i>

855
00:53:58,485 --> 00:54:02,656
<i>the idea that all people
should be treated the same.</i>

856
00:54:03,823 --> 00:54:08,453
<i>We tried to get that point across
in all of the Marvel books.</i>

857
00:54:16,628 --> 00:54:19,297
<i>I wanted to do another superhero group,</i>

858
00:54:20,006 --> 00:54:24,177
<i>and I tried an anti-bigotry theme.</i>

859
00:54:25,053 --> 00:54:28,723
<i>And I thought, how can I give them
some power in a different way?</i>

860
00:54:28,723 --> 00:54:34,104
<i>And then it occurred to me.
We know that mutations exist in life.</i>

861
00:54:34,729 --> 00:54:38,191
<i>There are five-legged frogs
and things like that.</i>

862
00:54:38,316 --> 00:54:43,071
<i>So I'll just give them whatever powers
I want and say they mutated that way.</i>

863
00:54:43,488 --> 00:54:45,615
<i>I called them the X-Men.</i>

864
00:54:45,615 --> 00:54:49,703
<i>And our heroes of the X-Men
are all different from average humans,</i>

865
00:54:49,703 --> 00:54:55,083
<i>and because they're that different,
the general public hates them,</i>

866
00:54:55,083 --> 00:54:59,546
<i>hounds them, harasses them, fears them.</i>

867
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:06,136
<i>In all of our books,
we try to find some little moral</i>

868
00:55:06,136 --> 00:55:08,138
<i>besides running around and fighting.</i>

869
00:55:08,847 --> 00:55:11,266
<i>We have one character
called the Silver Surfer.</i>

870
00:55:11,266 --> 00:55:13,727
<i>He's a character from another planet
who comes to Earth.</i>

871
00:55:14,269 --> 00:55:16,187
{\an8}<i>Jack is the guy who first drew him.</i>

872
00:55:18,606 --> 00:55:21,067
<i>The Silver Surfer was
always philosophizing</i>

873
00:55:21,067 --> 00:55:23,945
<i>and saying things about humans, such as,</i>

874
00:55:23,945 --> 00:55:28,408
<i>"Don't they realize they live in a planet
that's a veritable garden of Eden?</i>

875
00:55:28,408 --> 00:55:30,994
<i>"Why do they fight
and why are they greedy?</i>

876
00:55:30,994 --> 00:55:32,620
<i>"And why do they have bigotry?</i>

877
00:55:32,620 --> 00:55:34,372
<i>"Why don't they just love each other</i>

878
00:55:34,372 --> 00:55:37,375
<i>"and enjoy this paradise
that they've inherited?"</i>

879
00:55:38,293 --> 00:55:42,130
<i>I believe that the world could be
a much better world</i>

880
00:55:42,130 --> 00:55:43,715
<i>if we treated each other</i>

881
00:55:43,715 --> 00:55:46,384
<i>with a little more consideration
and respect.</i>

882
00:55:47,218 --> 00:55:50,555
If you really want to change things
and make 'em better,

883
00:55:50,555 --> 00:55:54,184
you've gotta plunge in.
You've gotta be a part of the process.

884
00:55:56,061 --> 00:55:58,897
<i>"With great power
comes great responsibility."</i>

885
00:56:03,985 --> 00:56:06,905
<i>I created Black Panther with Jack Kirby.</i>

886
00:56:07,906 --> 00:56:12,243
We just figured that it's about time
we had a Black superhero.

887
00:56:13,703 --> 00:56:18,208
<i>After all, there are many,
many Black American citizens.</i>

888
00:56:20,627 --> 00:56:26,091
<i>I loved the idea of a Black superhero
who lives in Africa</i>

889
00:56:27,592 --> 00:56:31,638
<i>and is the equal
of Reed Richards intellectually.</i>

890
00:56:34,516 --> 00:56:37,352
{\an8}FAN: <i>The reason I called
is to compliment Marvel Comics</i>

891
00:56:37,477 --> 00:56:41,106
{\an8}<i>because they are the only comic books
I've ever seen that have integrated.</i>

892
00:56:41,106 --> 00:56:44,401
{\an8}<i>They recognize the fact that
there are more than one race.</i>

893
00:56:44,401 --> 00:56:48,196
STAN: <i>How can you have stories that are
supposed to take place in today's world</i>

894
00:56:48,196 --> 00:56:50,990
<i>and not include
all the types of people we have</i>

895
00:56:50,990 --> 00:56:53,243
<i>- and the types of situations?</i>
- FAN: <i>Yeah, that's just it.</i>

896
00:56:53,243 --> 00:56:55,954
<i>You have
a racially mixed background in it.</i>

897
00:56:55,954 --> 00:56:58,581
<i>Well, it's unusual for comics
because you haven't seen it</i>

898
00:56:58,581 --> 00:57:00,500
<i>until you've read Marvel Comics.</i>

899
00:57:09,551 --> 00:57:13,179
STAN: <i>We tried to provide stories
for older readers</i>

900
00:57:13,179 --> 00:57:17,434
<i>that will also be good
for younger kids to read.</i>

901
00:57:17,434 --> 00:57:21,020
<i>If you think about it objectively,
it's a totally impossible task,</i>

902
00:57:21,020 --> 00:57:22,856
<i>and I don't know how we've managed.</i>

903
00:57:25,150 --> 00:57:29,904
<i>I got a letter from the Office of Health,
Education, and Welfare in Washington,</i>

904
00:57:29,904 --> 00:57:34,367
<i>and they said, "Mr. Lee,
recognizing the influence of your comics,</i>

905
00:57:34,367 --> 00:57:38,204
<i>"drugs are a big problem.
If you could do an anti-drug story?"</i>

906
00:57:38,204 --> 00:57:40,665
<i>I did a three-issue series.</i>

907
00:57:42,500 --> 00:57:46,296
<i>It had to do with a friend of Spidey's
had taken too much of something</i>

908
00:57:46,838 --> 00:57:50,800
<i>and Spider-Man rescues him
and says, "You're a jerk for doing that."</i>

909
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:52,886
<i>And it was part of a bigger story.</i>

910
00:57:53,678 --> 00:57:58,433
<i>So, it didn't look like we were preaching.
It was just an incident in a story.</i>

911
00:57:58,683 --> 00:58:02,020
<i>The Comic Code Administration
sent the book back and said,</i>

912
00:58:02,020 --> 00:58:05,815
<i>"You can't publish this book.
We won't put our seal of approval on."</i>

913
00:58:06,608 --> 00:58:07,609
<i>I said, "Why?"</i>

914
00:58:07,901 --> 00:58:11,362
<i>They said, "Well, according to the rules
of the Code Authority,</i>

915
00:58:11,362 --> 00:58:13,823
<i>"you can't mention drugs in a story."</i>

916
00:58:14,908 --> 00:58:17,702
<i>And I said, "Look, we're not
telling kids to take drugs.</i>

917
00:58:17,702 --> 00:58:20,288
<i>"This is an anti-drug theme."</i>

918
00:58:20,288 --> 00:58:22,790
<i>"Oh, no, it doesn't matter.
You mentioned drugs."</i>

919
00:58:23,333 --> 00:58:26,586
<i>I said, "But the Office of Health,
Education and Welfare,</i>

920
00:58:26,586 --> 00:58:29,714
<i>"a government agency, asked us to do it."</i>

921
00:58:29,714 --> 00:58:32,342
<i>"Doesn't matter. You can't mention drugs."</i>

922
00:58:34,427 --> 00:58:37,722
<i>Because we try to show things
as they really are,</i>

923
00:58:37,722 --> 00:58:40,808
<i>I had quite a number of arguments
with the Comics Code.</i>

924
00:58:41,976 --> 00:58:46,105
<i>I think that the things that people read
should prepare them</i>

925
00:58:46,105 --> 00:58:49,484
<i>and initiate them
for stepping into the real world.</i>

926
00:58:49,484 --> 00:58:55,990
<i>I feel that morally we are doing
a greater service to our younger readers</i>

927
00:58:55,990 --> 00:59:00,954
<i>by showing them that it's best
to do your best and to try to be good.</i>

928
00:59:03,206 --> 00:59:06,876
<i>I went to my publisher, Martin Goodman,
and I said,</i>

929
00:59:06,876 --> 00:59:09,879
<i>"Martin, this is the story.
This is why I did it.</i>

930
00:59:10,421 --> 00:59:14,926
<i>"I would like to publish it
without the Code seal of approval."</i>

931
00:59:16,052 --> 00:59:19,931
<i>Well, I was very proud of our publisher
because he said,</i>

932
00:59:20,223 --> 00:59:22,934
<i>"Absolutely, Stan.
You go ahead and do that."</i>

933
00:59:24,978 --> 00:59:30,358
<i>So, all of those three issues went on sale
without the seal of approval.</i>

934
00:59:31,234 --> 00:59:34,237
<i>And the world did not come to an end.</i>

935
00:59:35,947 --> 00:59:38,283
{\an8}<i>We got letters from church groups,</i>

936
00:59:38,449 --> 00:59:40,827
<i>parent-teachers...
Everybody loved it.</i>

937
00:59:44,414 --> 00:59:47,709
(CHATTERING INDISTINCTLY)

938
00:59:47,709 --> 00:59:50,211
<i>A youngster's mind is like a sponge.</i>

939
00:59:50,336 --> 00:59:52,714
<i>And I really don't think there's anything</i>

940
00:59:53,464 --> 00:59:54,507
<i>that's too tough</i>

941
00:59:55,383 --> 00:59:58,052
<i>or too mature
for a youngster to comprehend.</i>

942
00:59:58,052 --> 01:00:01,764
<i>I think they can understand so much more
than we give them credit for,</i>

943
01:00:01,764 --> 01:00:04,892
<i>and they're capable of absorbing
and learning so quickly.</i>

944
01:00:04,892 --> 01:00:08,730
<i>Most of them don't have the opportunity.
It isn't thrown at them enough.</i>

945
01:00:10,231 --> 01:00:12,233
<i>You know, when we started Marvel Comics,</i>

946
01:00:12,358 --> 01:00:15,445
<i>I said, "Let's use
a college level vocabulary,"</i>

947
01:00:15,445 --> 01:00:17,697
<i>and everybody said,
"Stan, you're out of your mind."</i>

948
01:00:17,697 --> 01:00:21,534
<i>I said, "Really?"
I figured the kids would know...</i>

949
01:00:21,534 --> 01:00:23,620
<i>what the words meant
by their use in the sentence</i>

950
01:00:23,620 --> 01:00:26,122
<i>or if they had to go to a dictionary
and look up a word</i>

951
01:00:26,122 --> 01:00:28,374
{\an8}<i>it wasn't the worst thing
in the world that would happen...</i>

952
01:00:28,374 --> 01:00:30,793
{\an8}<i>Maybe the older readers
would appreciate it.</i>

953
01:00:31,127 --> 01:00:34,964
<i>So, strangely enough,
in our little idiot Marvel Comics,</i>

954
01:00:34,964 --> 01:00:39,510
<i>I think there is as much or more learning
for kids as you'll find anywhere else.</i>

955
01:00:41,095 --> 01:00:45,683
I've walked pretty far for a comic
on occasions, a few miles out of the way,

956
01:00:45,808 --> 01:00:48,853
just to get it a day early,
which may seem a little silly,

957
01:00:49,562 --> 01:00:52,148
but some of us fans are weird.

958
01:00:56,736 --> 01:01:00,281
STAN: <i>This is it. The second annual
Mighty Marvel Convention.</i>

959
01:01:00,281 --> 01:01:03,326
<i>This is Stan Lee talking,
and you are there.</i>

960
01:01:03,326 --> 01:01:07,163
<i>Now, I'll shut up and give you a chance
to see what was happening.</i>

961
01:01:07,163 --> 01:01:11,125
<i>We start off with me signing autographs
after making a speech. Here we go.</i>

962
01:01:11,793 --> 01:01:14,379
<i>Wherever I went, people would feel
they knew me</i>

963
01:01:14,379 --> 01:01:16,422
<i>'cause they had been reading the books.</i>

964
01:01:16,422 --> 01:01:21,594
<i>Everyone said, "Hi, Stan."
There was a warmth and a friendliness.</i>

965
01:01:21,594 --> 01:01:25,098
I got a few votes in the last
presidential election at some colleges.

966
01:01:25,098 --> 01:01:28,101
It was funny, you know.
Some kids gave some write-in votes.

967
01:01:28,101 --> 01:01:29,644
I think I got 23 votes.

968
01:01:29,644 --> 01:01:31,979
It wasn't quite enough
to carry the nation.

969
01:01:32,397 --> 01:01:33,981
What's your favorite character?

970
01:01:34,607 --> 01:01:36,567
Ben Grimm. The Thing.

971
01:01:36,567 --> 01:01:37,985
- Right!
- And why is that?

972
01:01:38,736 --> 01:01:42,782
I don't know. It's just his personality
and like, you know, what happened to him.

973
01:01:42,782 --> 01:01:44,909
He was turned into a monster
and it wasn't his fault.

974
01:01:44,909 --> 01:01:46,744
The Falcon, Avengers.

975
01:01:46,744 --> 01:01:48,246
- The Falcon?
- Yeah.

976
01:01:48,246 --> 01:01:49,872
- Iron Man.
- How come?

977
01:01:49,872 --> 01:01:53,167
Because I just like what he does.
I think he's a great character.

978
01:01:53,167 --> 01:01:57,755
I like the stories that they write
about him and all the inventions.

979
01:01:57,755 --> 01:01:59,507
Who's your favorite writer?

980
01:02:00,133 --> 01:02:01,300
Uh, Stan Lee.

981
01:02:02,301 --> 01:02:06,055
{\an8}RADIO HOST: <i>This is K100 conversations,
and I have with me a wacky person</i>

982
01:02:06,055 --> 01:02:07,849
{\an8}<i>by the name of Stan Lee.</i>

983
01:02:07,849 --> 01:02:10,685
{\an8}<i>And anybody who is into comics
knows that name,</i>

984
01:02:10,685 --> 01:02:14,230
<i>because you are the guy that really
created Marvel Comics, aren't you?</i>

985
01:02:14,230 --> 01:02:16,899
STAN: <i>Yeah, well, after a while,
when you become a living legend,</i>

986
01:02:16,899 --> 01:02:21,946
<i>they get to know your name.
I created Marvel Comics with the help</i>

987
01:02:21,946 --> 01:02:24,824
<i>of the various artists involved also,
of course.</i>

988
01:02:28,870 --> 01:02:33,583
<i>It's funny how every artist has one
little thing that's sort of a hang-up,</i>

989
01:02:33,583 --> 01:02:35,877
<i>and he has trouble fixing it.</i>

990
01:02:35,877 --> 01:02:39,046
<i>Jack has a way of drawing
tremendously thin ankles</i>

991
01:02:39,046 --> 01:02:40,965
<i>on men and women.</i>

992
01:02:41,841 --> 01:02:43,301
<i>I've always got to watch what I say,</i>

993
01:02:43,301 --> 01:02:45,595
<i>because our artists are not only
the most talented</i>

994
01:02:45,595 --> 01:02:49,015
<i>but certainly, the most temperamental
group in the world,</i>

995
01:02:49,015 --> 01:02:52,810
<i>and we'd be absolutely lost
without any single one of them.</i>

996
01:02:52,810 --> 01:02:56,814
{\an8}<i>But I'm sure I'm gonna catch hell
for saying anything to offend any of 'em.</i>

997
01:02:56,814 --> 01:02:59,901
{\an8}INTERVIEWER: <i>Could you tell us
a little more about Steve</i>

998
01:02:59,901 --> 01:03:02,195
<i>because I noticed
that he is one of the few people</i>

999
01:03:02,195 --> 01:03:04,280
<i>that you did not print a photograph of</i>

1000
01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:06,282
<i>in your first Marvel Annual</i>

1001
01:03:06,282 --> 01:03:09,660
<i>and he is not on the record
that you sent around.</i>

1002
01:03:09,827 --> 01:03:11,579
- STAN: <i>You want to know why?
- Yes.</i>

1003
01:03:11,579 --> 01:03:14,415
STAN: <i>Purely personal.
Steve does not want publicity.</i>

1004
01:03:14,582 --> 01:03:16,042
<i>I don't know what his reason is.</i>

1005
01:03:16,042 --> 01:03:18,961
<i>He says, "Oh, golly!
I want my work to speak for me."</i>

1006
01:03:18,961 --> 01:03:20,296
<i>I'm not quoting him exactly,</i>

1007
01:03:20,296 --> 01:03:22,465
<i>but the feeling I get
is that he doesn't feel</i>

1008
01:03:22,465 --> 01:03:25,843
<i>that he himself should be publicized.
He just wants the work</i>

1009
01:03:25,843 --> 01:03:28,554
<i>that he does to be well known,
and we respect his opinion.</i>

1010
01:03:31,265 --> 01:03:34,143
{\an8}<i>Steve had complained to me
a number of times,</i>

1011
01:03:34,894 --> 01:03:38,314
{\an8}<i>when there were articles
written about Spider-Man,</i>

1012
01:03:38,314 --> 01:03:40,900
<i>which called me the creator of Spider-Man,</i>

1013
01:03:41,818 --> 01:03:45,947
<i>and I had always thought I was,
because I'm the guy who said,</i>

1014
01:03:45,947 --> 01:03:50,827
<i>I have an idea for a strip
called</i> Spider-Man <i>and so forth.</i>

1015
01:03:52,870 --> 01:03:56,624
<i>Steve had said
having an idea is nothing</i>

1016
01:03:57,166 --> 01:04:02,630
{\an8}<i>because until it becomes
a physical thing, it's just an idea,</i>

1017
01:04:02,755 --> 01:04:08,511
<i>and he said it took him to draw the strip
and to give it life, so to speak,</i>

1018
01:04:08,511 --> 01:04:10,930
<i>or to make it something tangible.</i>

1019
01:04:11,639 --> 01:04:14,308
<i>Otherwise, all I had was an idea.</i>

1020
01:04:14,433 --> 01:04:15,434
<i>So, I said to him,</i>

1021
01:04:15,434 --> 01:04:19,856
<i>"Well, I think the person with the idea
is the person who creates it,"</i>

1022
01:04:20,022 --> 01:04:22,024
<i>And he said, "No, because I drew it."</i>

1023
01:04:29,824 --> 01:04:33,578
<i>In the very beginning, I would come up
with a rather detailed plot.</i>

1024
01:04:34,120 --> 01:04:35,788
<i>Tell Steve what it was.</i>

1025
01:04:36,372 --> 01:04:40,001
<i>He would draw the strip any way he wanted.
I didn't give him a complete script.</i>

1026
01:04:40,001 --> 01:04:43,212
<i>He'd add a lot of things
that I hadn't even thought of.</i>

1027
01:04:43,212 --> 01:04:45,464
<i>And then, I would get the pages
of artwork,</i>

1028
01:04:45,464 --> 01:04:48,926
<i>and I would put in the dialogue
trying to give everything</i>

1029
01:04:48,926 --> 01:04:52,346
<i>and everyone the personality
that I wanted them to have.</i>

1030
01:04:53,723 --> 01:04:57,643
<i>Steve is a very creative guy.
And the two of us,</i>

1031
01:04:57,643 --> 01:05:00,187
<i>whenever we discuss plots,
we always just argue</i>

1032
01:05:00,187 --> 01:05:03,274
<i>because I want to do it one way
and he wants to do it another.</i>

1033
01:05:03,274 --> 01:05:05,526
<i>And even though I may disagree,</i>

1034
01:05:05,526 --> 01:05:09,071
<i>I feel just the fact that he did it
differently will make it good</i>

1035
01:05:09,071 --> 01:05:12,658
<i>because it won't be the usual type of plot
coming out of our stable.</i>

1036
01:05:12,658 --> 01:05:16,996
<i>He'll just do them as he wants them,
which makes it twice as difficult for me.</i>

1037
01:05:17,788 --> 01:05:20,291
<i>I enjoy it, though.
I get a story back from him,</i>

1038
01:05:20,291 --> 01:05:23,044
<i>and I don't have the vaguest idea
what this is about</i>

1039
01:05:23,044 --> 01:05:25,796
<i>because I didn't even give him
a thumbnail idea.</i>

1040
01:05:25,796 --> 01:05:28,341
<i>He just went home,
and he did whatever he wanted.</i>

1041
01:05:30,051 --> 01:05:33,137
{\an8}<i>So, I said, "Fine, I'll tell everybody
you're the co-creator."</i>

1042
01:05:34,347 --> 01:05:36,098
{\an8}<i>That didn't quite satisfy him.</i>

1043
01:05:39,727 --> 01:05:43,564
{\an8}<i>I really think the guy who dreams
the thing up created it.</i>

1044
01:05:43,564 --> 01:05:46,776
<i>You dream it up, and then
you give it to anybody to draw it.</i>

1045
01:05:51,989 --> 01:05:54,283
STAN:
<i>We've just lost the artist Steve Ditko</i>

1046
01:05:54,283 --> 01:05:56,535
- MAN: <i>Horrible.</i>
- (PEOPLE GROANING)

1047
01:05:57,078 --> 01:05:59,789
STAN: <i>One day he just phoned
and he said, "I'm leaving."</i>

1048
01:06:00,873 --> 01:06:02,041
<i>So that was it.</i>

1049
01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:04,460
<i>He was such a popular artist.</i>

1050
01:06:05,419 --> 01:06:09,090
<i>I think that we've managed
to find people to replace him</i>

1051
01:06:09,090 --> 01:06:12,677
<i>where those boos will change
to a chorus of cheers.</i>

1052
01:06:16,681 --> 01:06:20,017
<i>Steve and I worked beautifully together.</i>

1053
01:06:21,185 --> 01:06:25,356
<i>As far as I was concerned,
he was the perfect collaborator.</i>

1054
01:06:26,148 --> 01:06:28,109
<i>His artwork was superb.</i>

1055
01:06:28,609 --> 01:06:31,404
<i>His story sense was brilliant.</i>

1056
01:06:33,030 --> 01:06:36,701
<i>I was heartbroken when Steve
finally stopped working with us.</i>

1057
01:06:47,336 --> 01:06:50,297
INTERVIEWER: <i>You've put out more comics,
I think than about anyone.</i>

1058
01:06:50,297 --> 01:06:51,549
<i>Yeah, we're the biggest.</i>

1059
01:06:51,549 --> 01:06:53,426
<i>Isn't there a problem of control?</i>

1060
01:06:53,718 --> 01:06:56,012
STAN: <i>It's one of our biggest problems.
You're right.</i>

1061
01:06:56,012 --> 01:06:59,181
<i>I would love nothing better
than to be doing one magazine,</i>

1062
01:06:59,181 --> 01:07:01,183
<i>which I could personally write and edit</i>

1063
01:07:01,183 --> 01:07:04,979
<i>and, unfortunately, we're a little bit
like a mass production outfit.</i>

1064
01:07:04,979 --> 01:07:07,064
<i>I think we're all frustrated.</i>

1065
01:07:07,064 --> 01:07:10,234
<i>We'd all like to be able
to spend a week on one story.</i>

1066
01:07:10,234 --> 01:07:14,405
<i>Unfortunately, because of the economics
of this business, it's totally impossible.</i>

1067
01:07:17,658 --> 01:07:20,786
<i>We produce about two complete
comic books a day.</i>

1068
01:07:20,786 --> 01:07:22,371
<i>It's like a production line.</i>

1069
01:07:22,371 --> 01:07:26,459
<i>If you ever saw the old Charlie Chaplin
movie</i> Modern Times,

1070
01:07:26,459 --> 01:07:29,253
<i>there was a scene where Charlie Chaplin
is on a production line</i>

1071
01:07:29,253 --> 01:07:31,464
<i>and his job
is to do this with two wrenches</i>

1072
01:07:31,464 --> 01:07:34,675
<i>while things come down
and he has to tighten the bolts</i>

1073
01:07:34,675 --> 01:07:37,762
<i>and he goes home at night
and he's still doing this, you know.</i>

1074
01:07:37,762 --> 01:07:41,599
<i>Well, sometimes we feel like that.
We don't even know what we're working on.</i>

1075
01:07:41,599 --> 01:07:43,392
<i>The pages are just coming by and...</i>

1076
01:07:43,392 --> 01:07:45,352
<i>"Proofread that. Change that title,</i>

1077
01:07:45,352 --> 01:07:47,104
<i>"get the lettering out and finish."</i>

1078
01:07:47,104 --> 01:07:48,564
<i>And off it goes. Two books a day.</i>

1079
01:07:50,399 --> 01:07:53,110
<i>In those days, everybody was just
busy doing his work.</i>

1080
01:07:53,694 --> 01:07:56,697
<i>There was a lot of pressure
to turn those things out in time.</i>

1081
01:07:57,406 --> 01:08:00,618
<i>Because of the fact that
they don't get paid very much per page</i>

1082
01:08:00,618 --> 01:08:04,455
<i>and that they have to do a lot of pages
a day in order to eke out a living,</i>

1083
01:08:04,455 --> 01:08:06,624
<i>the artists would say
that they don't have a chance</i>

1084
01:08:06,624 --> 01:08:08,375
<i>to really show how good they are.</i>

1085
01:08:11,253 --> 01:08:13,380
<i>Sometime around then, Kirby left.</i>

1086
01:08:34,944 --> 01:08:36,946
{\an8}RADIO HOST:
<i>We're speaking with Jack Kirby live.</i>

1087
01:08:36,946 --> 01:08:41,325
{\an8}<i>And now we can announce
the very special surprise guest,</i>

1088
01:08:41,325 --> 01:08:44,036
{\an8}<i>your colleague, Stan Lee.</i>

1089
01:08:44,036 --> 01:08:46,038
{\an8}STAN: <i>I wanna wish Jack a happy birthday.</i>

1090
01:08:46,038 --> 01:08:48,791
KIRBY: <i>Well, Stanley, I want to thank you
for calling and I hope</i>

1091
01:08:48,791 --> 01:08:51,877
<i>you're in good health
and I hope you stay in good health.</i>

1092
01:08:51,877 --> 01:08:54,296
STAN: <i>I'm doing my best
and the same to you.</i>

1093
01:08:54,296 --> 01:08:56,006
<i>You know, whatever we did together,</i>

1094
01:08:56,006 --> 01:08:58,926
<i>and no matter who did what,
and I guess that's something</i>

1095
01:08:58,926 --> 01:09:00,761
<i>that'll be argued forever.</i>

1096
01:09:00,761 --> 01:09:03,848
<i>But I think that
the product that was produced</i>

1097
01:09:03,848 --> 01:09:07,268
<i>was really even more
than a sum of its parts.</i>

1098
01:09:07,268 --> 01:09:11,730
<i>I think there was some slight magic
that came into effect,</i>

1099
01:09:11,730 --> 01:09:13,315
<i>when we worked together.</i>

1100
01:09:13,315 --> 01:09:16,235
KIRBY: <i>Well, I was never sorry
for it, Stanley.</i>

1101
01:09:16,235 --> 01:09:18,571
<i>It was a great experience for me.</i>

1102
01:09:18,571 --> 01:09:22,199
<i>If the product was good,
that was my satisfaction.</i>

1103
01:09:22,324 --> 01:09:24,243
RADIO HOST: <i>You know,
when it comes right down to it,</i>

1104
01:09:24,243 --> 01:09:27,246
<i>it doesn't matter who exactly did what.</i>

1105
01:09:27,246 --> 01:09:28,914
STAN: <i>Well, I'll say this.</i>

1106
01:09:28,914 --> 01:09:31,917
<i>Every word of dialogue
in those scripts was mine.</i>

1107
01:09:32,918 --> 01:09:35,254
RADIO HOST: <i>Well, I don't want...</i>
STAN: <i>Every story.</i>

1108
01:09:35,254 --> 01:09:38,966
RADIO HOST: <i>I don't want to get into
controversy about that. What I want to...</i>

1109
01:09:38,966 --> 01:09:41,218
KIRBY: <i>I can tell you
that I wrote a few lines myself</i>

1110
01:09:41,218 --> 01:09:44,555
<i>- above every panel that I...</i>
- RADIO HOST: <i>Yes, I've seen those.</i>

1111
01:09:44,555 --> 01:09:47,391
STAN: <i>They weren't printed in the book.</i>
RADIO HOST: <i>Look.</i>

1112
01:09:47,391 --> 01:09:49,852
STAN: <i>Jack, answer me truthfully.</i>
KIRBY: <i>I wasn't allowed to...</i>

1113
01:09:49,852 --> 01:09:52,938
STAN: <i>Did you ever read one of the stories
after it was finished?</i>

1114
01:09:52,938 --> 01:09:54,315
<i>I don't think you did.</i>

1115
01:09:54,315 --> 01:09:56,692
<i>I don't think you ever read
one of my stories.</i>

1116
01:09:56,692 --> 01:09:58,944
<i>I think you were always busy
drawing the next one.</i>

1117
01:09:58,944 --> 01:10:00,863
<i>You never read when it was finished.</i>

1118
01:10:00,863 --> 01:10:04,074
KIRBY: <i>Whatever was
written in 'em wasn't...</i>

1119
01:10:04,074 --> 01:10:08,871
<i>Well, look, it was the action
I was interested in.</i>

1120
01:10:08,871 --> 01:10:11,540
<i>I know, and I think you felt,
"Well, it doesn't matter.</i>

1121
01:10:11,540 --> 01:10:14,585
<i>"Anybody can put the dialogue in,
it's what I'm drawing that matters."</i>

1122
01:10:14,585 --> 01:10:17,421
<i>And maybe you're right.
I don't agree with it.</i>

1123
01:10:17,421 --> 01:10:21,717
<i>No. I'm only trying to say that one man
and his writing and drawing,</i>

1124
01:10:21,717 --> 01:10:24,720
<i>and doing a strip,
it should come from an individual.</i>

1125
01:10:24,720 --> 01:10:27,097
<i>I believe that
you should have the opportunity,</i>

1126
01:10:27,097 --> 01:10:29,183
<i>uh, to do the entire thing yourself.</i>

1127
01:10:29,183 --> 01:10:32,603
RADIO HOST: <i>The success of Marvel
had to do with...</i>

1128
01:10:32,603 --> 01:10:36,899
<i>To keeping a greater attention
to the characters</i>

1129
01:10:36,899 --> 01:10:39,777
<i>than to the egos
of the people creating them.</i>

1130
01:10:39,777 --> 01:10:42,905
STAN: <i>When you mention an ego problem,
the funny thing is,</i>

1131
01:10:42,905 --> 01:10:45,866
<i>I'm afraid those problems
are only cropping up now.</i>

1132
01:10:45,866 --> 01:10:49,870
<i>I think when Jack and I did the strips,
there was no ego problem.</i>

1133
01:10:49,870 --> 01:10:51,997
<i>We were just doing the best we could.</i>

1134
01:10:51,997 --> 01:10:55,751
KIRBY: <i>Listen,
you can understand now, uh,</i>

1135
01:10:56,794 --> 01:10:58,379
<i>how things really were.</i>

1136
01:11:07,346 --> 01:11:10,182
(RADIO PLAYING INDISTINCTLY)

1137
01:11:23,070 --> 01:11:28,075
My guest is somebody who is not only
an old friend and associate

1138
01:11:28,075 --> 01:11:33,622
but one of the genuine talented
movers and shakers of our business.

1139
01:11:33,622 --> 01:11:37,459
Roy Thomas,
editor-emeritus of Marvel Comics,

1140
01:11:37,459 --> 01:11:41,297
and as good a writer
as we're ever going to find anywhere

1141
01:11:41,297 --> 01:11:43,757
in the comic business
and maybe in any other business.

1142
01:11:44,008 --> 01:11:47,303
It just was as though you were
the answer to a prayer. Remember, you...

1143
01:11:47,303 --> 01:11:51,098
You took over the <i>Fantastic Four.</i>
You took over the <i>Avengers, the X...</i>

1144
01:11:51,098 --> 01:11:53,267
- I guess you did almost all the stories.
- Most.

1145
01:11:53,267 --> 01:11:56,729
And as good as anybody could have wanted.
Built up your own following.

1146
01:11:56,729 --> 01:11:58,105
I began to hate you

1147
01:11:58,105 --> 01:12:00,190
- as the fans began to love you.
- (CHUCKLES)

1148
01:12:02,234 --> 01:12:05,696
<i>When I became publisher,
I stopped most of the writing.</i>

1149
01:12:06,322 --> 01:12:09,992
<i>When I was writing,
I had total control of them.</i>

1150
01:12:09,992 --> 01:12:12,161
<i>And they matured,
if you want to use that word,</i>

1151
01:12:12,161 --> 01:12:13,537
<i>the way I wanted them to.</i>

1152
01:12:13,537 --> 01:12:17,291
<i>But I realized,
the minute you stop writing a series</i>

1153
01:12:17,291 --> 01:12:21,795
<i>and other writers take over,
they've got to do it their way.</i>

1154
01:12:24,465 --> 01:12:29,136
{\an8}<i>Comic books started out
really dealing with male heroes</i>

1155
01:12:29,136 --> 01:12:30,804
<i>'cause at that time, years ago,</i>

1156
01:12:30,804 --> 01:12:33,724
{\an8}<i>nobody even thought
to have too many women heroes.</i>

1157
01:12:33,724 --> 01:12:35,559
{\an8}<i>But now, as publisher,</i>

1158
01:12:35,559 --> 01:12:39,855
<i>I have found that
10% of our readers are females.</i>

1159
01:12:40,481 --> 01:12:43,859
<i>So we ourselves are trying
to increase that readership.</i>

1160
01:12:43,859 --> 01:12:45,736
<i>And these past few months and years,</i>

1161
01:12:46,070 --> 01:12:49,031
<i>we've been adding
more and more female characters.</i>

1162
01:12:49,698 --> 01:12:53,660
<i>We have one character
who's a barbarian called Red Sonja,</i>

1163
01:12:53,660 --> 01:12:55,579
<i>in the pre-historical days.</i>

1164
01:12:55,746 --> 01:12:57,748
<i>She wields a sword and she's great.</i>

1165
01:12:57,748 --> 01:13:00,751
{\an8}<i>We have a character called Medusa.
We have the Black Widow.</i>

1166
01:13:00,751 --> 01:13:05,339
{\an8}<i>We have a new one called Ms. Marvel.
She's gonna be a big one.</i>

1167
01:13:06,465 --> 01:13:10,010
<i>It was the first time in all the years
I had been working there</i>

1168
01:13:10,511 --> 01:13:14,681
<i>that I had given the artists
the freedom to do the books</i>

1169
01:13:14,681 --> 01:13:16,600
<i>the way they wanted to do them.</i>

1170
01:13:17,726 --> 01:13:21,438
<i>I find it's a little bit difficult now.
The one thing that I regret,</i>

1171
01:13:21,438 --> 01:13:24,566
<i>of course,
we're not together 24 hours a day.</i>

1172
01:13:24,566 --> 01:13:26,443
<i>Roy does his writing at home,</i>

1173
01:13:26,443 --> 01:13:30,447
<i>and we've lost a little bit of that
perfect control we had</i>

1174
01:13:30,447 --> 01:13:32,074
<i>over all the characters.</i>

1175
01:13:32,491 --> 01:13:36,453
<i>Once or twice, I may wanna use
a certain villain, and I'll say to Roy,</i>

1176
01:13:36,453 --> 01:13:39,915
<i>say "I'm gonna bring back Dr. Octopus
in the next issue," and Roy'll say,</i>

1177
01:13:39,915 --> 01:13:42,584
<i>"Oh, Stan, you can't.
I just did it in the Avengers."</i>

1178
01:13:42,584 --> 01:13:45,337
<i>You see?
And it makes it a little difficult.</i>

1179
01:13:45,629 --> 01:13:48,715
<i>There probably are times
where things don't gel</i>

1180
01:13:48,715 --> 01:13:51,218
<i>or dovetail quite as perfectly.</i>

1181
01:13:51,218 --> 01:13:54,179
<i>But that's one of the little things
we have to put up with</i>

1182
01:13:54,179 --> 01:13:56,682
<i>because of the fact that we've grown so.</i>

1183
01:14:00,602 --> 01:14:06,150
<i>I've reached the pinnacle of idleness,</i>

1184
01:14:06,150 --> 01:14:07,818
<i>I'm now the publisher.</i>

1185
01:14:07,818 --> 01:14:09,528
<i>They kicked me upstairs.</i>

1186
01:14:09,528 --> 01:14:13,449
{\an8}<i>And it's my job to see to it that
the other people do all the writing,</i>

1187
01:14:13,449 --> 01:14:15,826
{\an8}<i>but I really miss the writing.</i>

1188
01:14:26,795 --> 01:14:30,507
<i>When they named me the publisher
of this thing, I became a big businessman.</i>

1189
01:14:34,511 --> 01:14:37,389
<i>I always wanted
to become somebody important,</i>

1190
01:14:38,974 --> 01:14:40,350
<i>but I'm not a businessman.</i>

1191
01:14:42,436 --> 01:14:46,315
<i>I've really no interest in working
with figures and things like that.</i>

1192
01:14:46,773 --> 01:14:50,986
<i>The board of directors, they wanted me
to come up with a five-year plan.</i>

1193
01:14:50,986 --> 01:14:54,865
<i>Where will we be in five years
and how much budget do we need?</i>

1194
01:14:54,865 --> 01:14:58,327
<i>But to me, anything that
has to do with business is dull.</i>

1195
01:15:01,330 --> 01:15:03,582
(CROWD CHEERING)

1196
01:15:05,125 --> 01:15:07,753
<i>So I kept the title publisher,</i>

1197
01:15:07,753 --> 01:15:10,339
<i>but instead of just being a businessman,</i>

1198
01:15:11,757 --> 01:15:16,261
<i>I traveled around the country
talking up Marvel Comics.</i>

1199
01:15:16,261 --> 01:15:17,971
Thank you, culture-lovers.

1200
01:15:19,640 --> 01:15:23,310
{\an8}<i>I was going to colleges
and television shows</i>

1201
01:15:23,310 --> 01:15:26,271
<i>and radio shows pitching Marvel.</i>

1202
01:15:26,396 --> 01:15:29,816
HOST: <i>The superhero of
the comic book business, Stan Lee.</i>

1203
01:15:29,816 --> 01:15:30,943
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)

1204
01:15:30,943 --> 01:15:37,741
STAN: <i>I've always felt comic books
were a more powerful cultural device</i>

1205
01:15:37,741 --> 01:15:40,369
<i>than they ever had a chance
to prove to be.</i>

1206
01:15:40,369 --> 01:15:43,121
<i>I hope to give them that chance now.</i>

1207
01:15:43,121 --> 01:15:47,751
<i>I want to make comic books much more
important than they've ever been.</i>

1208
01:15:48,502 --> 01:15:52,839
Basically, it's really
a religious crusade, I like to think.

1209
01:15:52,839 --> 01:15:54,007
(AUDIENCE LAUGHS)

1210
01:15:54,007 --> 01:15:55,175
WOMAN: Indeed. (LAUGHS)

1211
01:16:02,182 --> 01:16:05,477
STAN: <i>By this time,
I had been at Marvel for many years.</i>

1212
01:16:06,311 --> 01:16:10,857
<i>I had had a lifetime job,
and I was damn well worth it.</i>

1213
01:16:11,358 --> 01:16:13,277
Here's what I think we ought to do.

1214
01:16:15,070 --> 01:16:16,321
I marked them all up.

1215
01:16:16,655 --> 01:16:19,199
<i>But the company was sold.</i>

1216
01:16:21,368 --> 01:16:23,579
<i>One of the owners of the new company said,</i>

1217
01:16:23,579 --> 01:16:26,707
<i>"Stan, don't worry,
you're going to be better than ever."</i>

1218
01:16:26,707 --> 01:16:29,293
<i>And he was gonna give everyone
new contracts.</i>

1219
01:16:29,418 --> 01:16:32,045
<i>So the new contract I was offered was</i>

1220
01:16:32,045 --> 01:16:36,008
<i>instead of a lifetime contract,
a two-year contract,</i>

1221
01:16:36,008 --> 01:16:37,968
<i>which made me very unhappy.</i>

1222
01:16:40,095 --> 01:16:43,432
<i>I always resented the fact that
when I wrote these stories,</i>

1223
01:16:44,182 --> 01:16:48,478
<i>I never thought, "Gee, I ought to try
to copyright something myself and own it."</i>

1224
01:16:48,478 --> 01:16:50,439
<i>It always belonged to the company.</i>

1225
01:16:50,439 --> 01:16:53,692
<i>So from a business point of view,
that was a mistake.</i>

1226
01:16:56,069 --> 01:16:59,531
<i>I was heartbroken.
There wasn't much I could do about it.</i>

1227
01:17:05,203 --> 01:17:08,749
<i>In a series of deliberate
and deadly terrorist acts...</i>

1228
01:17:10,250 --> 01:17:11,627
BARACK OBAMA: <i>It is time for a change.</i>

1229
01:17:11,752 --> 01:17:13,420
CROWD: <i>Yes! Yes, we can!</i>

1230
01:17:19,593 --> 01:17:21,136
KENNETH BRANAGH:
Let's put a camera up.

1231
01:17:21,136 --> 01:17:22,846
Let's not keep this young man waiting.

1232
01:17:24,890 --> 01:17:27,184
STAN: <i>Marvel finally settled things.</i>

1233
01:17:27,851 --> 01:17:30,604
MAN: Guys, let's clear. Everybody, please.

1234
01:17:31,104 --> 01:17:34,399
STAN: <i>They gave me title
Chairman Emeritus,</i>

1235
01:17:34,399 --> 01:17:36,777
<i>which was an honorary title.</i>

1236
01:17:37,361 --> 01:17:38,904
<i>I was very happy about that.</i>

1237
01:17:39,029 --> 01:17:42,783
BRANAGH: And, action! Camera! Car!

1238
01:17:44,034 --> 01:17:45,035
Stan!

1239
01:17:45,035 --> 01:17:46,244
Did it work?

1240
01:17:46,953 --> 01:17:50,332
<i>Stan, thank you so much for being here.
It is our absolute pleasure</i>

1241
01:17:50,332 --> 01:17:53,168
<i>and forgive us if there's lots
of handshakes and autographs asked</i>

1242
01:17:53,168 --> 01:17:54,795
<i>before you get out of here,</i>

1243
01:17:54,795 --> 01:17:57,005
<i>but thank you so much.
We are honored to have you.</i>

1244
01:17:57,005 --> 01:17:59,299
- Thank you! Thanks a lot!
- Thank you.

1245
01:17:59,299 --> 01:18:00,801
STAN: <i>So many people walk up and say,</i>

1246
01:18:00,801 --> 01:18:04,179
<i>"I just want to thank you
for all the enjoyment you've brought."</i>

1247
01:18:04,805 --> 01:18:06,973
<i>And I've been doing this since the 1940s.</i>

1248
01:18:07,683 --> 01:18:09,643
<i>People who've read the books then</i>

1249
01:18:09,643 --> 01:18:11,770
<i>still remember them
and have stayed with them.</i>

1250
01:18:11,895 --> 01:18:15,357
<i>And now they have their own kids.
Some have their grandkids.</i>

1251
01:18:16,525 --> 01:18:19,945
{\an8}<i>I often look back at the early '60s
in the famous Marvel bullpen</i>

1252
01:18:19,945 --> 01:18:23,031
{\an8}<i>and think about the characters that
came out of the imaginations of Stan Lee,</i>

1253
01:18:23,031 --> 01:18:26,952
{\an8}<i>Jack Kirby, Steve Ditko, and all
of the co-creators. It's incredible.</i>

1254
01:18:26,952 --> 01:18:29,079
<i>And when we sit around
our conference room tables</i>

1255
01:18:29,079 --> 01:18:32,165
<i>in development sessions on these movies,
I find myself thinking,</i>

1256
01:18:32,165 --> 01:18:35,836
<i>"Boy, if we could just tap into 5%
of that crucible of imagination."</i>

1257
01:18:37,129 --> 01:18:39,756
<i>We're just trying to emulate
what the comics have been doing so well</i>

1258
01:18:39,756 --> 01:18:41,341
<i>for so many decades.</i>

1259
01:18:42,843 --> 01:18:45,345
STAN: <i>In the days
I was writing those books,</i>

1260
01:18:45,762 --> 01:18:47,472
<i>I was hoping they'd sell</i>

1261
01:18:47,597 --> 01:18:50,976
so I wouldn't lose my job
and I could keep paying the rent.

1262
01:18:51,435 --> 01:18:55,981
{\an8}<i>All of a sudden, these characters
have become world-famous.</i>

1263
01:18:56,440 --> 01:19:00,068
<i>They're the subject of blockbuster movies,</i>

1264
01:19:00,068 --> 01:19:02,738
<i>and I'm lucky enough
to get little cameos in 'em.</i>

1265
01:19:04,489 --> 01:19:07,784
Cut. Ladies and gentlemen,
that's a camera wrap

1266
01:19:07,784 --> 01:19:10,996
on the creator of Iron Man, Mr. Stan Lee.

1267
01:19:10,996 --> 01:19:15,083
STAN: <i>The fact that I'm working
with characters that I've created...</i>

1268
01:19:15,083 --> 01:19:16,168
Action.

1269
01:19:16,168 --> 01:19:19,212
Superheroes in New York?
Give me a break.

1270
01:19:20,046 --> 01:19:23,675
<i>And the fact that they are being directed
so beautifully...</i>

1271
01:19:23,884 --> 01:19:25,302
Did it work?

1272
01:19:25,427 --> 01:19:29,598
That's Captain America?
I thought he'd be taller.

1273
01:19:29,765 --> 01:19:32,267
<i>- To work with such professionals.</i>
- Oh, man.

1274
01:19:32,267 --> 01:19:34,519
I am so fired.

1275
01:19:34,644 --> 01:19:37,063
<i>And they all have
a love of the characters.</i>

1276
01:19:37,063 --> 01:19:39,357
Are you Tony Stank?

1277
01:19:39,483 --> 01:19:42,068
<i>I never thought it would turn
into something like this.</i>

1278
01:19:42,068 --> 01:19:44,905
Anyway, before I was
so rudely interrupted...

1279
01:19:45,447 --> 01:19:47,491
<i>To work with creative people,</i>

1280
01:19:47,866 --> 01:19:50,327
<i>especially people who make movies,</i>

1281
01:19:51,077 --> 01:19:52,788
<i>is such a thrill.</i>

1282
01:19:56,166 --> 01:19:57,375
No!

1283
01:19:57,751 --> 01:19:58,794
Yes!

1284
01:19:59,377 --> 01:20:01,922
<i>It's overwhelming when I think about it.</i>

1285
01:20:01,922 --> 01:20:05,717
Well, the '60s were fun,
but now I'm paying for it.

1286
01:20:05,717 --> 01:20:06,802
MAN: And cut it.

1287
01:20:07,010 --> 01:20:08,637
I think I'll just take these...

1288
01:20:09,262 --> 01:20:12,766
bring them over here
and hold on for safekeeping.

1289
01:20:13,850 --> 01:20:17,145
What's the matter with you kids?
You never seen a spaceship before?

1290
01:20:17,145 --> 01:20:18,230
MAN: Action.

1291
01:20:18,939 --> 01:20:20,273
"Trust me, true believer."

1292
01:20:21,608 --> 01:20:25,362
<i>I would have to be crazy
not to feel fulfilled.</i>

1293
01:20:27,489 --> 01:20:30,826
{\an8}<i>It's certainly been nice to see the world
catch up with what Stan did.</i>

1294
01:20:30,826 --> 01:20:33,995
{\an8}<i>Even if it took movies and TV shows
to do it.</i>

1295
01:20:33,995 --> 01:20:35,539
{\an8}<i>The world kinda has to admit now,</i>

1296
01:20:35,539 --> 01:20:38,333
{\an8}<i>you know, maybe there is something
to some of this stuff.</i>

1297
01:20:38,333 --> 01:20:40,460
For goodness sake, how're you?

1298
01:20:40,460 --> 01:20:42,087
(INDISTINCT CONVERSATION)

1299
01:20:43,296 --> 01:20:46,132
THOMAS: <i>The seeds of all that stuff
are all set back in what Stan did</i>

1300
01:20:46,132 --> 01:20:48,426
<i>with Jack and Steve.</i>

1301
01:20:48,426 --> 01:20:51,763
<i>You know, you could always trace
anything that they do now.</i>

1302
01:20:52,180 --> 01:20:55,267
<i>In fact, it all kind of flows from
this fountain that was unleashed</i>

1303
01:20:55,392 --> 01:20:58,186
<i>when Stan and Jack and Ditko,
you know, got together</i>

1304
01:20:58,186 --> 01:21:01,231
<i>and suddenly became
this wonderful triumvirate,</i>

1305
01:21:01,231 --> 01:21:03,191
<i>creating a whole universe.</i>

1306
01:21:07,863 --> 01:21:11,449
<i>Neither of them could have, really,
you know, done it without the other.</i>

1307
01:21:16,997 --> 01:21:20,500
{\an8}Join me in giving a big welcome
to Mr. Stan Lee.

1308
01:21:20,500 --> 01:21:22,460
{\an8}(AUDIENCE CHEERING)

1309
01:21:25,380 --> 01:21:26,381
Thank you.

1310
01:21:30,677 --> 01:21:32,429
I spent quite a lot of time

1311
01:21:33,346 --> 01:21:37,434
writing a 25-page speech
that I could give you

1312
01:21:38,977 --> 01:21:42,439
and as I looked at it, I said,
"Would I want to hear this speech?"

1313
01:21:43,857 --> 01:21:44,900
So I tore it up.

1314
01:21:45,984 --> 01:21:49,195
So I stand here now defenseless,

1315
01:21:50,030 --> 01:21:52,616
with nothing except to tell you

1316
01:21:53,992 --> 01:21:55,869
<i>if you have an idea</i>

1317
01:21:55,869 --> 01:21:59,122
<i>that you genuinely think is good,</i>

1318
01:21:59,998 --> 01:22:02,584
<i>don't let some idiot talk you out of it.</i>

1319
01:22:02,584 --> 01:22:08,590
<i>That doesn't mean that every wild notion
you come up with is gonna be genius,</i>

1320
01:22:08,590 --> 01:22:12,302
<i>but if there is something
that you feel is good,</i>

1321
01:22:12,636 --> 01:22:17,265
{\an8}<i>something you want to do,
something that means something to you,</i>

1322
01:22:17,807 --> 01:22:22,062
<i>try to do it.
Because you can only do your best work</i>

1323
01:22:22,646 --> 01:22:25,565
<i>if you're doing what you want to do</i>

1324
01:22:25,565 --> 01:22:29,611
<i>and if you're doing it the way you think
it should be done,</i>

1325
01:22:29,611 --> 01:22:32,989
<i>and if you can take pride in it
after you've done it,</i>

1326
01:22:32,989 --> 01:22:34,491
<i>no matter what it is,</i>

1327
01:22:34,491 --> 01:22:38,536
<i>you can look at it and say, "I did that
and I think it's pretty damn good."</i>

1328
01:22:38,662 --> 01:22:39,913
<i>That's a great feeling.</i>

1329
01:22:40,664 --> 01:22:45,126
I want to wish all of you
the best luck in the world.

1330
01:22:45,126 --> 01:22:49,214
Just do your thing. Whatever you do,
give it your best shot.

1331
01:22:49,214 --> 01:22:51,257
You'll be glad you did.

1332
01:22:51,257 --> 01:22:53,009
- Excelsior!
- (AUDIENCE CHEERING)



