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-Hello.
- Yeah?
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Big Mäck?
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Yes, I don't believe it!
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Hey, Falko!
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Hey, Big Mäck.
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Ah, I'm so happy.
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Oh man, you won't believe how happy I am.
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Why did they tell me that you had died?
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No. Who told you that?
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The slammer.
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What?
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Do you know how many letters I sent?
Telegrams and everything.
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I didn't get anything.
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First thing I did was look on Facebook.
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I looked everywhere for you.
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Nothing. I found nothing.
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I would never have given up on you.
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They're now making that movie.
A documentary on Netflix.
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That's great.
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I've always been a fighter. Always.
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How are you, really?
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This is a hypothetical story.
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Hypothetical. Nothing to do with me.
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Sometimes life is
crazier than a film.
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I was on a stellar rise
to the top in my career.
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What's fascinating about Donald is
he can capture people.
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Fully legal.
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Two robberies,
almost 20 years apart,
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and supposedly Donald Stellwag
played a role in both.
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He was always a bit of a rascal.
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If something like that
happens once, it's weird.
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All a lie.
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Twice, that's just really strange.
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All hypothetical.
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{\an8}BIG MÄCK
GANGSTERS AND GOLD
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Don't you find it unusual
that two big events happened in your life?
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Not at all.
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No.
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{\an8}SPARKASSE
FINANCIAL GROUP
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ROBBERY 1
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NUREMBERG
19 DECEMBER 1991
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{\an8}It was in the afternoon,
before half past 3:00.
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{\an8}AUDIO BASED ON COURT DOCUMENTS
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He came in. He was tall and fat.
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He was wearing
a hat, coat, scarf and glasses.
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And he pulled the weapon and said,
"Give me the money, quickly."
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He threatened customers and my coworkers.
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So I opened the cash register.
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Swiss Francs, Italian currency.
I gave him everything.
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Fifty-four-thousand deutsch mark.
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I was waiting for him there.
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He said he would be right back.
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I had no idea what happened in the bank.
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He got in and told me to drive,
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so I did.
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Go, drive!
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I wanted to turn right
at the end of the street.
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-You were only allowed to go right.
- I said left!
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But then he had a gun in his hand,
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20 centimeters from my head,
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and then he said...
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Go left, or I'll shoot you.
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So I drove down
the one-way street, the wrong way.
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I kept going, running a red light.
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Just drive! Damn it.
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Then he got out and was gone.
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Of course I remember
what he looked like. Very tall.
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At least 1.9 meters,
about 35 years old, and very corpulent.
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I met Mr. Stellwag
almost 30 years ago.
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He came to the law office
where I worked at the time.
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I remember it clearly.
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{\an8}He came in with 500 deutsch mark,
put them in my hand and said...
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{\an8}MANFRED NEDER
CRIMINAL DEFENSE LAWYER
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...the police were looking for him
and he had to sort something out.
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CASE NUMBER XY UNSOLVED
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{\an8}At the end of today's program,
we'd once again like to show you photos
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{\an8}which were taken by automatic cameras
during bank robberies.
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{\an8}In December 1991,
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{\an8}this man robbed a Sparkasse branch
in Nuremberg city center.
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{\an8}CRIMINAL POLICE NUREMBERG
(0911) 21 11
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That was the beginning of this story.
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{\an8}Description, 35 to 40 years old,
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very tall, at least 1.95 meters,
and strikingly obese.
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The man robbed a bank...
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A police officer
recognized him from a TV show and said,
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"That's Stellwag, I know him."
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They were looking for me
for a bank robbery? It wasn't me at all.
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It didn't matter if it was
a bank robbery or something else.
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I wasn't afraid.
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I knew I hadn't done anything.
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"It didn't look like a big deal."
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"Pay a short visit to the police
and clarify this."
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"I'm not aware of anything wrong."
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A lot of clients say things like that
when you go with them to the police.
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That's impossible, I'm innocent.
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He seemed totally calm.
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You have to find out
what kind of person you're dealing with.
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So you talk, and in that context,
he told me he had nothing to do with it
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and that he was sick.
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We then went into a room.
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You were presented with things,
and among them, this photograph.
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I knew him, so I didn't have to look over.
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I just thought, "This doesn't look good."
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It's a poor quality photo,
but it looks like him.
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The size of the body.
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Then comes the charge.
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I still remember
when the inspector said
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it was about a bank robbery
with the taking of a hostage in Nuremberg.
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I said, "I don't even know
what you want from me."
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At that time I was not even in Nuremberg.
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A bank robbery is
severe criminal extortion
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with a minimum sentence of five years.
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You can't just go home,
no matter how good your social prognosis.
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You will stay there
to clear up whether it was you or not.
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No matter what you say.
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He insisted it wasn't him
and that he had an alibi.
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Of course, he had to think hard
to remember where he'd been.
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The policeman, the criminal investigator
at the time, believed him.
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That was my impression.
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So he said, "Let's do a lineup.
Would you agree to that?"
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I said, "Yes. Of course."
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You have to picture the following.
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I come into an empty room,
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with a huge pane of glass,
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and stand there.
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But since there were
no other big fat guys like me,
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I was the only one standing there,
all by myself.
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Six or seven people came in
who'd been customers in the bank.
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And what did they say?
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"He's tall, he's fat, it's him."
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More than 16 people
said I was the perpetrator.
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It floored me.
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I thought, "This is
a really bad horror film."
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The criminal investigator
came up with the idea
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of commissioning an expert assessment,
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also known as an anthropological report.
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It's intended to determine
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if the person in the photo
is identical to the alleged perpetrator.
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These are assessments that are done
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when there are traffic violations
or when people are caught by speed cameras
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and say it wasn't them.
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So he had his picture taken.
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Then the expert compares
these photos with the image.
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{\an8}Right, I'll look and see
what we can make out.
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{\an8}DR. CORNELIUS S.
EXPERT WITNESS IN THE DONALD STELLWAG CASE
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{\an8}The expert
is controversial in many places.
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Many people think less of him.
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{\an8}The expert is being evasive today.
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{\an8}The expert did not want to comment.
But his colleague was willing to speak.
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If you look
at the anthropological literature,
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there are around 250, 280 characteristics
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that can be defined on the head alone.
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{\an8}PROF. FRIEDRICH RÖSING
FORENSIC ANTHROPOLOGIST
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{\an8}So wherever there's something to be stated
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{\an8}about human beings in the legal sense,
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we come into play.
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The court expert must present the findings
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in the simplest and clearest
language possible,
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and then in the end give a probability
of how certain their conclusions are.
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And the expert did a good job
in creating parallel images.
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There was a series of extremely good
pictures of the bank robber,
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so that we always had
pictures next to each other
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that were easy to compare.
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We were anxiously waiting,
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because the expert
was our door to freedom.
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But he said
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he couldn't be ruled out
as the perpetrator.
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I call it the "ear report."
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It was probably the deciding factor,
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because you could see it
so clearly in the photo.
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He would not be released any time soon.
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Every week, every day was hell.
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I was at the mercy of the judiciary.
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Dealing with this mentally is perverse.
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I spent almost two years
in detention awaiting trial.
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That was a terrible time for me.
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That's a long time.
That would be absurd today.
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it just wouldn't be possible.
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Nothing happened during that time,
because nothing new came up.
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Then there was the trial.
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COURT HOUSE
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25 JANUARY 1994
START OF TRIAL
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Five judges sat there.
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Three full-time professionals,
two on jury duty.
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I think I found out two weeks before
that this trial was about to start.
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And the "ear report" was
obviously the perfect gimmick to use
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as a hook for the reporting.
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{\an8}Even experienced colleagues
had never heard of anything like it...
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{\an8}HARALD BAUMER
CRIME REPORTER
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{\an8}...and they wanted to know
if it would even be possible
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to convict a perpetrator
with this kind of report.
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There was nothing about this
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pointing to Donald
in the vicinity of the bank.
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Nothing.
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No evidence or clues.
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Instead, there was evidence
pointing to his innocence.
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In the photo,
the perpetrator wasn't wearing gloves.
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So of course you wonder
why there were no fingerprints.
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There were,
but they didn't match Donald's.
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Anyone who sees this
would say, "Wait, something's wrong."
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He touched everything in that car
and was the last one to touch it.
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The top layer of fingerprints
would have to be his.
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Nothing. Not one.
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The police inspector said,
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"We have 12 fingerprints.
Eight can be used for dactyloscopy."
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FINGERPRINTS CANNOT BE MATCHED
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"It couldn't have been you."
What about the witnesses?
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CASHIER'S OFFICE WITH VIEW OF TILLS
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I remember two witnesses
who were at the trial.
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One was the taxi driver who had driven him
to the scene of the crime and back.
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She was pretty sure
he was the perpetrator.
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There was a statement
about the nicotine fingers
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and a pout like a frog
that she said she remembered.
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{\an8}AUDIO BASED ON COURT DOCUMENTS
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{\an8}I'm very sure of it.
He was sitting right next to me.
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{\an8}I was able to get a good look at him.
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It was similar with the cashier
who had been threatened by him.
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WITH ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY
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It was him. I'm 95% sure.
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No, 99%.
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99% PROBABILITY
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He was tall. And fat.
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A TALL, FAT PERSON
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The defendant stood out
because of his corpulence and his height.
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The second factor,
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which had absolutely nothing to do
with his appearance,
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was the intensity
with which he denied the crime.
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That differed significantly
from many other defendants.
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That's what's so grotesque, you see?
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You're going crazy. You don't understand.
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The judge didn't believe a word I said.
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And back then I said to the lawyer,
"They can't just..."
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And he said, "Wait and see."
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At that time,
he was in advertising.
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You could make a lot of money
selling newspapers and things like that.
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They were out and about every day.
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You could trace that back,
step by step. Which was good.
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At the time
I was 250 kilometers away.
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In Leuna, in a big hotel with my friends.
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They could swear that it hadn't been me.
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Leuna, B91, Hotel.
I'm sure about that.
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We had witnesses, an alibi with evidence.
The story he told made sense.
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Sitting with the manager...
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There was a hotel owner who had
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the booking confirmation
with him on a piece of paper.
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RECEIPT NO. 94027
249
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B91 HOTEL
LEUNA-MERSEBURG
250
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He was asked
if he could possibly be wrong,
251
00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:13,840
whether it was a day before
or maybe a day after.
252
00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:17,280
You could really sense that it all seemed
a bit suspicious to them.
253
00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:23,320
There were witness testimonies
254
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that he was actually
hundreds of kilometers away
255
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in a completely different town.
256
00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:30,280
That was something
you'd have to be able to pull off then.
257
00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:33,160
The court didn't think
those statements were true.
258
00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:38,200
The public prosecutor
used every trick to dismantle this alibi.
259
00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:40,600
Then suddenly, he didn't have one.
260
00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:47,640
I have to tip my hat to Donald.
261
00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:53,480
He has always been such a fighter,
saying, "We'll prove that I'm innocent."
262
00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:59,960
Then there was the person
who decided this war, the expert,
263
00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:02,360
who presented the assessment.
264
00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:06,080
On the left side
of the left ear, for example,
265
00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:09,880
it runs in a round arch
and goes without a break into...
266
00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:13,920
He said there were
no two identical human ears,
267
00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:15,640
just like with fingerprints.
268
00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:25,440
{\an8}If he identifies an ear and says
it's the same ear as that person's...
269
00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:26,760
{\an8}DRAWING FROM ORIGINAL REPORT
270
00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:28,080
{\an8}...then it's 100% certain.
271
00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:31,000
There are no two of the same in the world.
272
00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:37,120
The contour of the conical edge
of the perpetrator as well as the accused...
273
00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:41,520
The more they asked him
and the more we tried to attack him
274
00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:43,760
and cast doubt on what he was saying,
275
00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:45,680
the more certain he became.
276
00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:52,080
The protrusion shows evenly...
277
00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:53,240
ANTERIOR CRUS OF ANTIHELIX
278
00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:58,240
...the connective tissue contour
of the conical edge,
279
00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:02,480
which is completely identical
to that of the suspect...
280
00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:08,080
COMPLETELY IDENTICAL
281
00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:13,480
Being under pressure
from so many questions,
282
00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:15,960
and even some incredulous ones,
283
00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:19,760
he moved towards
the direction of "Yes, I'm totally sure."
284
00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:23,520
At one point Donald
couldn't hold back anymore
285
00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:26,120
and accused him
of wrongfully incriminating him.
286
00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:30,360
I got up and said,
"What are you talking about?"
287
00:18:30,360 --> 00:18:35,320
"What kind of hocus-pocus is this?
What kind of crap are you pushing?"
288
00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:38,680
"It could not have been me.
I have alibi witnesses."
289
00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:42,080
Because of this dispute,
290
00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:44,120
the expert addressed
the defendant directly,
291
00:18:44,120 --> 00:18:45,800
which is totally unusual.
292
00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:51,080
"Mr. Stellwag, admit to it.
It's hopeless, you're the culprit."
293
00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:59,120
That's when I reached my limit.
How can you make such a statement?
294
00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:03,040
That was the point
they could use to convict me.
295
00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:14,480
In the name of the people,
we reach this verdict.
296
00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:15,480
VERDICT
297
00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:19,400
MAIN TRIAL
16 FEBRUARY 1994
298
00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:23,960
I can still hear the words.
299
00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:25,760
THE DEFENDANT
300
00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:28,080
The defendant is guilty.
301
00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:29,160
Guilty.
302
00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:31,320
Nine years.
303
00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:36,200
Nine years is a lot of time.
304
00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:45,640
It was insane.
305
00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:48,920
I thought this was the end.
306
00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:54,320
How could they ignore
so much exonerating evidence?
307
00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:56,160
I just can't understand.
308
00:20:02,360 --> 00:20:03,600
It was not me.
309
00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:12,240
DUE TO CORPULENCE AND LEFT EAR
310
00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:14,720
"GUILTY"
311
00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:20,920
You have to remember, I was in isolation.
That's different from normal prison.
312
00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:31,440
It was clear to me.
313
00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:34,000
I'm not the perpetrator,
so I can't admit guilt.
314
00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:37,160
And if I don't admit it,
I'm not capable of rehabilitation.
315
00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:46,200
If you aren't willing to work
towards reintegration into society,
316
00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:49,960
you won't get any privileges.
317
00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:54,120
Further education, canceled.
318
00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:57,000
Vocational training, canceled.
319
00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:00,920
Twenty-three hours in the cell,
one in the yard.
320
00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:08,880
If you're in solitary confinement
and you have no radio, no TV, it's hell.
321
00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:13,280
Nobody talked to me!
322
00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:17,200
This was torture.
323
00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:27,200
SEVEN YEARS LATER
324
00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:36,960
FEBRUARY 14, 2001
DAY OF RELEASE
325
00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:41,480
{\an8}They didn't give me
a single day.
326
00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:42,560
{\an8}ARCHIVE FOOTAGE, 2001
327
00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:45,040
{\an8}I had to serve my sentence
until the last day.
328
00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:52,920
I survived. I served nine years.
329
00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:57,960
I wanted peace and quiet.
330
00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:05,440
Then came the blow. I get a letter
331
00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:07,880
from the district attorney's
office in Nuremberg
332
00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:10,040
to urgently contact my lawyer.
333
00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:17,480
It's about a bank robbery with hostages.
334
00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:20,520
Again.
335
00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:22,840
I thought, "Now they'll finish you."
336
00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:27,320
Just like in American thrillers.
337
00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:31,600
I went to my lawyer and said,
338
00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:34,680
"I'm supposed to get in touch with you
about a bank robbery."
339
00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:35,600
He says, "Yes."
340
00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:38,880
I say, "What bank robbery?
Don't you see what I look like?"
341
00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:40,160
"I can barely walk."
342
00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:42,880
He says, "I have to tell you something."
343
00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:43,920
I say, "What?"
344
00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:56,160
A police officer called me to inform me
there was a new development in the case.
345
00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:02,200
The Nuremberg criminal police
are reevaluating the old evidence.
346
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:03,840
INVESTIGATION, UNKNOWN
347
00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:05,760
A fingerprint on a taxi.
348
00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:07,000
TAXI N-DU 337
MIDDLE FINGER
349
00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:12,240
A new witness
put investigators on the right track.
350
00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:15,600
A man with a similar
stocky build to Donald Stellwag
351
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:19,960
had carried out a series of bank robberies
following the same pattern,
352
00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:22,240
such as arriving and fleeing by taxi.
353
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:25,160
A comparison with fingerprints
secured at the crime scene
354
00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:28,960
led officers to a 38-year-old man
who was already in prison.
355
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:31,440
It can now
be clearly attributed to him.
356
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:38,760
IDENTITY ESTABLISHED
357
00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:41,200
That blew my mind.
358
00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:45,480
As if somebody hit me
on the head with a sledgehammer.
359
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:46,920
That's how it floored me.
360
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:52,800
EVIDENCE OF MISCARRIAGE OF JUSTICE?
361
00:24:01,360 --> 00:24:02,880
JUSTICE AT THE SECOND ATTEMPT
362
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:06,320
43-YEAR-OLD IN PRISON FOR A BANK\ ROBBERY
HE MAY NOT HAVE COMMITTED
363
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:08,120
Donald Stellwag had to atone
364
00:24:08,120 --> 00:24:11,120
for a bank robbery in Nuremberg
he never committed.
365
00:24:11,120 --> 00:24:15,120
Now Donald Stellwag
is fighting for a retrial of his case.
366
00:24:15,120 --> 00:24:16,480
But for that to happen,
367
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:19,360
the real perpetrator
must first be convicted.
368
00:24:19,360 --> 00:24:22,600
The real perpetrator's undoing
was his own cockiness.
369
00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:25,200
He had boasted to an accomplice
370
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:30,400
that in 1991 he had robbed
a Sparkasse branch in Nuremberg Südstadt.
371
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:34,160
He had fled undetected
and would probably have never been caught
372
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:37,880
if he hadn't been ratted out
by his accomplice.
373
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,960
The defendant,
who was heavily shielded in court,
374
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:42,920
made a full confession today
375
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:46,320
and apologized repeatedly
to his innocent doppelgänger.
376
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:48,000
VERDICT
377
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:51,560
Frank is sentenced
to 11 and a half years in prison
378
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:53,480
for this and other robberies.
379
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:56,760
{\an8}ERROR CONFIRMED
380
00:24:57,640 --> 00:24:58,920
I knew I had
381
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:02,240
neither committed a crime
nor done anything wrong.
382
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:03,440
I am innocent.
383
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:06,760
Innocent in prison.
384
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:08,840
Donald Stellwag...
385
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:11,160
An unfathomable
miscarriage of justice...
386
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:13,480
-Miscarriage of justice...
- Donald Stellwag...
387
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:14,920
Victim of a miscarriage of justice...
388
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,560
I don't want to say
it was legal salvation,
389
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:26,000
but you had been chasing this ghost
all this time during the trial.
390
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:29,120
And then this ghost
is right in front of you.
391
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:34,600
{\an8}It feels good
to sit there and to realize
392
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,680
{\an8}that the battle
you fought back then wasn't in vain,
393
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:39,320
{\an8}but that it was justified.
394
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:43,080
And you say to yourself,
"We were right after all."
395
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:46,560
Donald remained composed.
396
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:53,160
He made it through the whole thing
pretty well. At least on the outside.
397
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,880
I haven't managed to look very deep
inside of him yet.
398
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:00,320
He doesn't allow that.
399
00:26:05,360 --> 00:26:07,720
{\an8}I don't think I'll ever be free.
400
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:11,840
{\an8}I spent far, far too long
in prison for that.
401
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,760
{\an8}I think it will take me
a very, very long time.
402
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:17,480
{\an8}There are a lot of things
I have to deal with
403
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:19,080
{\an8}before I can block it out.
404
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:22,600
And I don't want to block it out,
I just want to work through it.
405
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:29,560
The story was shocking to me.
406
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:33,040
I heard it and thought,
"That's crazy. What even is that?"
407
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,560
{\an8}When we met him, you could tell
he was in a depressive state.
408
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:38,720
{\an8}ANGELA GRAAS FILMMAKER
409
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,000
{\an8}I got the feeling
that he quickly trusted us
410
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,440
{\an8}because we really tried to understand him.
411
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:52,840
{\an8}We accepted him as he was,
412
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:54,320
{\an8}and from that moment on,
413
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:57,720
{\an8}he really tried to find
a way back to a normal life.
414
00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:00,320
{\an8}He hadn't been
out of prison long at that point.
415
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:02,640
6 DECEMBER 2001
DAY OF ACQUITTAL
416
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:06,400
He officially got acquitted
after nine years. Name cleared.
417
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,480
It happens in court
so it becomes official.
418
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:10,720
Only then do you get
419
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,200
the compensation payment
from the government.
420
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,600
THE DEFENDANT SHALL BE COMPENSATED
FOR THE PRISON SENTENCE SUFFERED
421
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,960
{\an8}THE VERDICT IS REVERSED
422
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,800
{\an8}AND THE DEFENDANT IS ACQUITTED.
423
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:25,600
{\an8}HIS INNOCENCE HAS BEEN PROVEN.
424
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:33,840
He would get money for every day
he'd been in prison while innocent.
425
00:27:35,120 --> 00:27:36,840
He said the amount was a joke.
426
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,360
It clearly wasn't enough
to start a new life.
427
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,440
I thought when I was acquitted,
428
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:45,640
which happened on December 6th,
429
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:48,880
the state would help me
ease back into normal life.
430
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:50,880
But it did nothing of the sort.
431
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:54,760
The state just says, "The man gets
his 20 deutsch marks per day."
432
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:57,480
Board and lodging get deducted,
433
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,160
and the sum is calculated
based on the number of days.
434
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,240
The result is the amount he's rewarded.
435
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:03,320
2186 DAYS OF IMPRISONMENT
436
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:06,680
24,046.00 EUR
437
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:08,160
He was shocked.
438
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,760
He'd thought he'd be compensated
and be able to live comfortably.
439
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:12,960
That was not the case.
440
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,080
It wasn't a lot of money for nine years.
441
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:17,760
I was very disappointed.
442
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:20,920
STRAUBING PRISON
443
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:30,160
After his imprisonment,
he first went to temporary housing.
444
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:34,160
It was a bit like
a flat share for former convicts.
445
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:38,240
He read a lot,
which was something he'd done in prison.
446
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:39,880
And it was important to him.
447
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,480
He read about management, about business,
448
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:48,080
maybe thinking about preparing
for his professional future after that.
449
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,280
I faced a huge task in prison.
450
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,960
namely, first of all, to fight my illness.
451
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,160
Don't forget that I have two brain tumors.
452
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:04,040
And then I got extremely fat
453
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:07,120
due to strong cortisone treatments
and other things.
454
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,640
I thought I wouldn't survive prison.
455
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,120
The tumor in my head is killing me.
456
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:17,320
I am a high-risk patient.
457
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:20,600
The doctor says
it's a miracle I'm still alive.
458
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:27,400
But mentally, I'm very fit.
459
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,120
Believe me. I am.
460
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,360
I wanted to prove that it wasn't me.
461
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:40,680
PEOPLE OF THE WEEK
462
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,920
Hello, everyone.
Hello, good evening.
463
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,400
He spent eight years,
464
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,440
I repeat, eight years,
465
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:50,680
in prison in Germany as an innocent man.
466
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:54,640
It sounds too unrealistic.
You think such a thing can't happen.
467
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:55,600
Total nightmare.
468
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:57,560
How blind is our justice system?
469
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,960
This tragedy happened
in the Federal Republic of Germany,
470
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:02,440
a constitutional state.
471
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:04,240
Gross miscarriage of justice?
472
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,120
Donald Stellwag was
an innocent man in prison.
473
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:10,080
For Donald Stellwag,
that was the harsh reality.
474
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:13,320
His life, and he himself,
changed in prison.
475
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:15,040
Welcome, Donald Stellwag.
476
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,880
-The case of Donald Stellwag.
-Donald Stellwag.
477
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:20,760
Hello, Mr. Stellwag.
478
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,720
RTL,
Bayerischer Rundfunk, SAT 1,
479
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:26,960
{\an8}Johannes B. Kerner.
480
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:28,600
{\an8}I also went to Fliege.
481
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,360
We accept that you are innocent
482
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:34,440
and we want
to welcome you back into society.
483
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:36,360
Donald Stellwag, welcome.
484
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:39,440
Everything is the same.
485
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:44,280
At some point it becomes routine.
I asked, "Why did you invite me back?"
486
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:47,320
He says, "That's obvious.
You pull good ratings."
487
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:48,640
Now, if you...
488
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:50,440
I went to Maischberger.
489
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:52,000
If he really didn't do it...
490
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:56,480
I went with him once,
to make sure he wouldn't mess up.
491
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:58,440
How did they apologize to you?
492
00:30:58,440 --> 00:30:59,520
They never did.
493
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:01,080
That's not quite correct.
494
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:06,040
{\an8}You know that the judge in Ansbach,
who presided over the retrial, apologized.
495
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:09,480
{\an8}And the public prosecutor.
She had nothing to do with the trial.
496
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:13,120
If you are innocent,
you have to pay for your incarceration.
497
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:14,280
Excuse me?
498
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:18,840
When he tells a story,
he likes to paint a picture.
499
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:23,080
He uses a lot of colors
and puts ornaments here and there.
500
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:26,960
Then the story becomes
more well-rounded and sells better.
501
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:28,040
He's a salesman.
502
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,240
And 14 days after my release,
503
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,160
I was released in 2001,
504
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:38,400
the real perpetrator robbed a bank again,
in this case, a Postbank in Nuremberg.
505
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,160
He was just unlucky.
Technology was more advanced now.
506
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:44,720
A steel grid came down from the ceiling
and they caught him in the act.
507
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:47,880
Just his bad luck, I'm afraid.
508
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:50,080
Never heard that before. Nice.
509
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:57,280
{\an8}Sometimes it's the same story,
but structured differently.
510
00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:58,760
{\an8}FRANK VOGEL
BUSINESS PARTNER
511
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:01,480
And it could've been told
by two different people.
512
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,400
I'm not saying he knows what works well.
513
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,560
He's just unlucky
he has an exciting story.
514
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,720
If he tells it like that,
then that's the way it is.
515
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:17,840
A journalist
once wrote about me,
516
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:22,560
"He celebrates the fallibility
of the Bavarian judiciary."
517
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,520
I have never told
a single lie on a TV show.
518
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:29,440
Always the truth.
519
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:32,640
{\an8}ALMOST 5 YEARS IN PRISON
AS AN INNOCENT MAN
520
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:34,760
{\an8}INNOCENT IN PRISON FOR YEARS
EXTREME CASES
521
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:36,640
{\an8}"LEGAL HISTORY WRITTEN THE PAINFUL WAY"
522
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:38,640
{\an8}VICTIM OF MISCARRIAGE OF JUSTICE FIGHTS ON
523
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:40,720
{\an8}With the acquittal,
524
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:42,920
{\an8}are you now, so to speak, a free man
525
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:47,520
in that the matter is settled for you,
or is there something to work through?
526
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:51,840
Yes, I still have a civil case going
against the expert witness.
527
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:56,200
I always thought I was free,
but I'm not free. I'm still trapped.
528
00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:00,800
I was often asked, "How much
is Dr. Corneliusat fault?"
529
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,200
I don't feel psychologically free.
530
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,400
I don't feel mentally free.
531
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,080
He completely destroyed my soul.
532
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,160
His reputation was important to him,
533
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,960
and so was his entire rehabilitation.
534
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:17,040
His fight was always
directed against this expert.
535
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,600
{\an8}What happened to him was...
Well, it was unimaginable.
536
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:22,600
{\an8}FALK SIMANG FRIEND
537
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:26,880
{\an8}For someone to come along,
some clown, plainly speaking,
538
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,920
and say he can identify you by your ear?
539
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:38,000
Sure, we're laughing now,
but imagine being in Donald's shoes.
540
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,560
You wouldn't understand
how this could happen.
541
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:46,400
My fight's
always related to the expert witness.
542
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:48,800
I believed that if he was wrong
in my case,
543
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:50,880
then he made countless other mistakes.
544
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:53,800
And there were many people
who were innocently imprisoned
545
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:57,000
and who didn't have
my mental strength to get through it.
546
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:03,000
It was the fourth or fifth expert report
had given incorrectly.
547
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,880
Donald Stellwag
hopes the man who caused his conviction
548
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:10,680
with an inaccurate expert report
will be forced to pay damages.
549
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,840
He sued the expert,
and that set some sort of precedent.
550
00:34:16,720 --> 00:34:18,400
Before I sued the expert,
551
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,720
no judge or expert
had ever been convicted.
552
00:34:21,720 --> 00:34:25,320
Can you imagine that
in our legal system? Never!
553
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:28,040
We established a precedent with that.
554
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:30,600
The higher court in Frankfurt agrees,
555
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:33,880
and forces expert witness Cornelius S.
to pay damages.
556
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,560
Cornelius S. has to pay
150,000 euros in damages
557
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,400
for the suffering caused
to Donald Stellwag.
558
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,080
I didn't think it was possible.
559
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:47,480
And this is not about money at all.
The money is completely irrelevant.
560
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:49,760
It's the first case in Germany
561
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:53,520
in which an expert witness
is held civilly liable
562
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:55,560
for an inaccurate court report.
563
00:34:57,240 --> 00:35:00,600
That was deeply satisfying.
Man, did I cheer.
564
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:06,400
The Anthropological Society,
with Professor Rösing,
565
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,640
established these rules
on how the job needs to be done.
566
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:12,800
The Stellwag scandal was the trigger
567
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:16,480
for the fact that now
there are finally standards.
568
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:20,440
I haven't seen him since,
569
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,640
but I know he's still working
and still does expert statements.
570
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:30,360
Surprisingly, he's already given
his incorrect statements in the courts.
571
00:35:36,720 --> 00:35:41,040
The talk shows
went from the end of 2001 to 2008
572
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:46,320
That wasn't what I wanted to do.
573
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,920
I didn't want to be
on shows like that and tell my story.
574
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,160
- Mr. Stellwag's first life.
- Exactly.
575
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:55,960
Now let's have a look
at Mr. Stellwag's second life.
576
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,600
I thought,
"You're mobile, you have a passport."
577
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:06,320
"They can all kiss your ass."
578
00:36:09,720 --> 00:36:11,200
Everything was possible.
579
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:17,080
The probability of two big public stories
happening in one lifetime is very low.
580
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:21,840
The second story is actually better
than the one about the bank robbery.
581
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,040
It didn't surprise me
that he had issues again.
582
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,880
For most people, nothing like this
ever happens during their lifetime.
583
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:36,440
And he got implicated twice.
584
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:38,040
Fascinating.
585
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:42,480
All I wanted was a better life.
586
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:45,360
But no.
587
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,600
ROBBERY 2
588
00:36:52,240 --> 00:36:55,360
15 DECEMBER 2009
A81 NEAR LUDWIGSBURG
589
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:59,920
And for all the drivers out there
at the Weinsberg interchange,
590
00:36:59,920 --> 00:37:01,200
there is once again a...
591
00:37:05,720 --> 00:37:07,840
{\an8}It was in the morning,
just before 10:00.
592
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,400
{\an8}Two of us were driving
on the A81 near Ludwigsburg
593
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,120
{\an8}AUDIO RECORDING BASED ON COURT DOCUMENTS
594
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:14,840
A BMW with blue light appeared.
595
00:37:16,240 --> 00:37:17,960
A sign reading "please follow."
596
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:22,080
What do you do?
597
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,280
You think they're cops
and you follow them.
598
00:37:27,720 --> 00:37:30,440
I thought,
"Well, I was going pretty fast."
599
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:39,000
We stopped under a highway bridge.
600
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:43,840
There were
three police officers in the car.
601
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:45,680
Two stepped out.
602
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:48,440
From our side it went...
603
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:52,680
"Vehicle documents and ID please."
604
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:54,600
Vehicle documents, please.
605
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:57,360
ID as well.
606
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:01,640
Then something crazy happened.
607
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,600
The passenger's papers
said he used to be a policeman.
608
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,560
I thought to myself,
"Fuck. What if he notices something?"
609
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:09,640
Let's go. Get out of the car.
610
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,600
At that moment
I noticed something about the BMW.
611
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:19,640
A barcode on the license plate holder.
612
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:22,280
It was just a normal rental car.
613
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:28,880
- Police.
- Tax investigators?
614
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:31,760
You're under arrest for tax evasion.
615
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:35,200
They put up no resistance.
616
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:36,240
It was that simple.
617
00:38:36,240 --> 00:38:37,720
Handcuffs on and done.
618
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:42,000
"The van is being confiscated."
619
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:47,280
The two guys with us
were in the back seat of our car.
620
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,240
One said, "Lots of Turks in the police."
621
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:12,720
They left us in the woods.
In that moment I thought, "That's it."
622
00:39:12,720 --> 00:39:16,600
There's over a-million-and-a-half
Euros' worth of gold in that van.
623
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:18,920
Now that's worth killing someone for.
624
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:25,720
DONALD HOME
DONALD CELL
625
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:33,760
Such spectacular robberies
don't happen often, the police say.
626
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:36,760
1.8 million euros in gold and jewelry.
627
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,960
Two hundred pounds
of scrap gold from a Nuremberg jeweler
628
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:42,800
on its way to be melted down in Pforzheim.
629
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:44,520
The goods were not insured.
630
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,600
{\an8}The story itself is completely crazy.
631
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:54,600
{\an8}TIM HÖHN JOURNALIST
632
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:56,240
{\an8}There's no other way to put it.
633
00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:00,680
Five people disguised
as cops and tax investigators
634
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:03,240
ambush a gold truck on the highway.
635
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:06,360
They must have acted
like tax investigators.
636
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,120
A major raid in Brüser Berg.
637
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:13,240
A 24-year-old man
was arrested in the Cologne-Bonn area.
638
00:40:13,240 --> 00:40:16,520
He is said to be
one of the masterminds of the robbery.
639
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:20,920
But four other men are still at large,
including rapper Xatar.
640
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:26,320
A gangster rapper as a real gangster?
641
00:40:34,720 --> 00:40:36,720
It was a group of friends.
642
00:40:36,720 --> 00:40:38,920
Men in Xatar's circle.
643
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:46,840
The name was certainly familiar
in the hip-hop gangster rap scene.
644
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:51,200
He'd already made a name for himself
in Bonn, but not yet in all of Germany.
645
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:55,240
{\an8}He likes to pose
as a criminal, uncompromising ghetto star.
646
00:40:56,240 --> 00:41:00,680
Xatar literally means "danger"
in Kurdish, Arabic and so on.
647
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:04,200
Internet videos were probably
Xatar's most important platform.
648
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:07,920
{\an8}He spent years building his image
as a brutal gangster.
649
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:11,280
Hottie Alessandra Mendes
has just recently dropped the lawsuit
650
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,720
against a German rapper named Xatar
651
00:41:13,720 --> 00:41:15,880
who supposedly punched Alessandra
in the face
652
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:19,040
after having too much to drink
during a party at the Playboy Mansion.
653
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:22,840
At a party, he breaks a model's nose
654
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:24,960
and has to pay $50,000 bail.
655
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:27,120
Gangster music
and gangster life
656
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:28,760
were increasingly merging into one.
657
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:31,880
Some might have
thought him capable of dodgy deals,
658
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:33,600
but a million-dollar heist?
659
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:38,360
Xatar and his accomplices
make a spectacular escape.
660
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:41,240
First, they fled to Moscow via Abu Dhabi.
661
00:41:41,240 --> 00:41:44,360
They are arrested
in Iraq in February 2010.
662
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:48,000
Xatar now has the opportunity
to face up to Germany's laws,
663
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:51,600
as he has been caught and this week
has been on trial in Stuttgart.
664
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:12,040
I had been a court reporter
665
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,520
for the Stuttgarter Zeitung
for a long time,
666
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:17,880
and followed the trial
of the gold robbery with great interest.
667
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:22,400
There were situations
where you got the impression
668
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:25,560
that this wasn't a trial,
but a staged play.
669
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:29,080
I thought it couldn't be true.
670
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:40,600
Xatar was the driving force
behind the raid.
671
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:42,720
He organized it, recruited the men.
672
00:42:42,720 --> 00:42:47,360
He got a tip, so they knew when the van
was leaving and where it was going.
673
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:48,560
And then they set off.
674
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:53,560
He was struggling financially,
675
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:57,840
which is why he was open to the idea
of hijacking this gold delivery.
676
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:08,040
They grinned at each other
when they came into the courtroom.
677
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:09,400
They were thrilled when they saw
678
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,800
acquaintances or relatives
in the audience.
679
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:16,440
Be quiet!
I'm talking to him, not to you.
680
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:24,600
The lawyers yelled,
insulted each other and made accusations.
681
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,040
Most of all, I remember Malte Höch.
682
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:30,120
He's someone who brings
a bit of color to such a trial.
683
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:32,720
He was a well-known
television lawyer at the time.
684
00:43:32,720 --> 00:43:33,640
JUDGE BARBARA SALESCH
685
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:35,040
{\an8}DEFENSE LAWYER MALTE HÖCH SUMMATION
686
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:37,560
{\an8}The prosecutor's right.
My client must be acquitted.
687
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:40,120
He has
a distinctive hairstyle
688
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:42,320
and his demeanor is very interesting.
689
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:46,880
He argued aggressively with lawyers
who followed a different strategy.
690
00:43:51,240 --> 00:43:53,360
They didn't talk about the matter at hand.
691
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:55,640
For them, the trial was
692
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:58,720
a welcome distraction
from everyday life in jail.
693
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:02,720
They only started talking
later in the trial.
694
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:10,440
Then the question was,
how is that possible?
695
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:12,560
We have an alcohol seller in Nuremberg.
696
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:14,840
We have a robbery in Ludwigsburg.
697
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:17,720
Then a few hundred kilometers north, Bonn.
698
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:24,000
Now you connect those somehow.
699
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,120
So for once, I agree with you.
700
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:28,040
Because there is another name.
701
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:32,040
Xatar said
the tip came from Donald Stellwag.
702
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:38,920
The next story,
703
00:44:40,240 --> 00:44:41,600
it's almost unbelievable.
704
00:44:42,720 --> 00:44:45,360
VICTIM OF MISCARRIAGE OF JUSTICE
BACK IN THE DOCK
705
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:48,560
DID HE PLAN THE BIG GOLD HEIST
IN LUDWIGSBURG?
706
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:51,360
So we have this TV lawyer.
707
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:52,760
We have Xatar.
708
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:54,800
Now we also have Donald Stellwag.
709
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:57,800
That doesn't sound plausible.
710
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:00,040
That's just a made-up story.
711
00:45:00,720 --> 00:45:03,240
He's supposed to have been the mastermind?
712
00:45:03,240 --> 00:45:04,760
I still don't believe it.
713
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:10,880
I don't think so.
How would he even do that?
714
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:14,360
The question looming is,
715
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:15,440
"Where is the gold?"
716
00:45:19,720 --> 00:45:21,760
Many people in the auditorium,
717
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:23,040
including myself,
718
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:25,280
were hoping that Stellwag would show up.
719
00:45:28,240 --> 00:45:29,760
There's a trial going on
720
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:31,520
and there's a dark figure
in the background
721
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:33,600
that everyone's waiting for.
722
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:35,560
WAS STELLWAG THE MASTERMIND
BEHIND A GOLD HEIST?
723
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:39,200
Stellwag knew how it went down
and also how it ended.
724
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:42,160
He didn't show up.
725
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,360
I never fled.
My lawyer always knew where I was.
726
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:58,920
I only had a phone number.
I didn't know where he was.
727
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:17,880
I'm lying here.
I have a very hard time moving.
728
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:23,760
I can't go to the bathroom
because my legs can't support me anymore.
729
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:25,680
The other side, face it here.
730
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:28,320
Or I wouldn't have given
the interview lying down.
731
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:29,400
Yeah, that's good.
732
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:38,240
I wouldn't have been
scared of that confrontation
733
00:46:38,240 --> 00:46:40,640
because I couldn't have been
the perpetrator.
734
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,120
The tip came from Donald Stellwag.
735
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:51,800
Everyone in Stuttgart
testified that I was the boss.
736
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:55,200
Do you believe that I could be
the boss of a Kurdish clan?
737
00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:59,160
They should realize they're nuts.
738
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:01,960
But were you innocent?
739
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:04,840
Innocent about the gold heist?
740
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:08,200
Of course, without a shadow of a doubt.
741
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:09,760
I wouldn't be crazy enough
742
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:14,080
to have serious money
and still pull a bullshit stunt like that.
743
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:17,240
What would be my motive?
744
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:21,720
I've got nothing to do with that.
745
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:28,640
He can adapt to any situation.
That's what's fascinating.
746
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:36,680
In 2001,
I immediately began to rebuild my life.
747
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:38,640
I knew how to sell myself.
748
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:42,000
Thank God I studied marketing behind bars.
749
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:45,720
A unique victim
of a miscarriage of justice.
750
00:47:45,720 --> 00:47:49,360
The freedom Donald Stellwag talks about
is worth 10,000 deutsch marks.
751
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:52,840
That's the sum for which he sold his story
to a commercial TV station
752
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:54,680
and now gives interviews only to them.
753
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:59,440
If I told you how much I made through
the media, you wouldn't believe me.
754
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:00,680
Lots of money.
755
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:03,080
{\an8}-Donald Stellwag.
- Donald Stellwag.
756
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:04,200
{\an8}Donald Stellwag.
757
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:05,720
{\an8}Donald Stellwag, welcome.
758
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:07,800
{\an8}NINE YEARS IN PRISON AS AN INNOCENT MAN
759
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:10,360
{\an8}You don't think
the 500 or 1,000 Euros I got
760
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:13,080
for each appearance were my only earnings?
761
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:14,360
No.
762
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:18,920
My earnings came from
product placement for a brewery.
763
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:20,880
Welcome, Donald Stellwag.
764
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:24,760
WOLFSHÖHER BEER
765
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:29,880
"Do you want to advertise
on the Johannes B. Kerner show?" "Yes."
766
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:31,280
"How much are you willing to pay?"
767
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:32,720
Lots of money.
768
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:40,080
{\an8}I had large T-shirts
with the brewery's logo on them.
769
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:43,960
The second or third time,
Kerner wanted to outwit me.
770
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:49,920
He said, "Mr. Stellwag,
are you wearing product placement again?"
771
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:53,160
"That's tricky business here."
772
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:57,640
"We'll sew you a new shirt
without anything on it."
773
00:48:58,600 --> 00:48:59,440
So I said,
774
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:01,000
"Too bad."
775
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:05,000
Of course, I also had a baseball cap
with the brewery's logo with me.
776
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:08,040
He went, "Oh, you are such a sly dog."
777
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:13,120
He didn't really need the money.
778
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:15,880
He got compensation
from the expert witness.
779
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:18,440
It wasn't like he didn't have enough now.
780
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:20,880
What did you do with the money?
781
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:24,960
What did I do with the money?
Invested it in different businesses.
782
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:30,000
These are the new designs.
The black looks great.
783
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:33,640
It started
with advertising trucks for breweries.
784
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:35,240
I'm an excellent salesman.
785
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:41,880
Then I was in Hesse and got into watches
in a big way. Collectors' watches.
786
00:49:43,720 --> 00:49:46,320
I was given two watches once.
I still have them.
787
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:47,920
Here.
788
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:52,200
Great piece.
789
00:49:53,720 --> 00:49:58,160
Unfortunately it's broken and I can't
afford the repairs. It's 300 to 400 Euros.
790
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:02,440
Then I moved back to Lauf
791
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:04,800
and opened up
the antique shop the Gold Oasis.
792
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:05,800
GOLD OASIS
WE'RE BUYING!
793
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:07,560
For watches and antiquities.
794
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:12,560
The bank accounts were full.
We always had a lot of cash in the shop.
795
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:14,600
COMPETENT, REPUTABLE, FAST, RECOMMENDED
796
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:17,360
In Lauf we lived like gods.
797
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:19,800
In luxury.
798
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:22,000
High-end.
799
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:28,840
I was the Donald Stellwag.
800
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:31,520
The sales director,
the distribution director,
801
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:33,040
the marketing director.
802
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:35,280
We dealt in gold, in diamonds.
803
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:37,240
I knew where you could sell it.
804
00:50:37,240 --> 00:50:38,920
The profit was all right.
805
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:41,120
And Frank had the connections.
806
00:50:42,720 --> 00:50:46,400
{\an8}While I didn't have
anything to do with gold, I was in Ghana.
807
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:49,320
{\an8}I was trustworthy. And that's how we met.
808
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:52,360
Stellwag isn't stupid.
809
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:53,520
He hears about Ghana,
810
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:54,760
knows it's the country
811
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:57,560
that's the second-largest
producer of gold at the time.
812
00:50:57,560 --> 00:51:00,680
Everyone thought you could
buy gold at a low cost there.
813
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:04,040
The first time I met Frank was in Ghana,
814
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:09,080
when he was offering me diamonds.
815
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:12,800
- You were in Ghana?
- Frank was.
816
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:15,160
I was in the Gold Oasis.
817
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:19,280
I bought gold for him,
bought him a couple of diamonds and so on.
818
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:21,680
That's where the idea
to open a mine came from.
819
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:24,000
So that's what we did.
820
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:27,920
There are great pictures
of us online opening the mine,
821
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:30,680
with an excavator
that had all the bells and whistles.
822
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:34,800
That was just the way
things worked in Ghana.
823
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:38,920
You had to grease
a hand or two to make things move.
824
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:41,720
Things didn't move fast enough for him.
825
00:51:41,720 --> 00:51:43,960
We're experts in rough diamonds.
826
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:48,840
"We can't wait that long.
We already have the excavator there."
827
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:52,680
So I told him, "You can't do that.
It's going to collapse." He didn't listen.
828
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:55,160
I can count on him for sure.
829
00:51:56,160 --> 00:52:00,120
He then said, "It's my money.
Do what I tell you." So I did.
830
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:02,480
That's how it came to a halt.
831
00:52:03,720 --> 00:52:07,640
Buying gold, melting it down,
those are typical Donald ideas.
832
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:09,840
{\an8}He's a communicative person.
833
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:12,400
{\an8}I won't say
he's glued to the phone all day,
834
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:15,440
{\an8}but he talks a lot
and knows a lot of people.
835
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:17,600
You make connections that way.
836
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:19,720
SIM CARDS SAVED UNDER "DONALD CELL"
837
00:52:19,720 --> 00:52:22,400
During the gold heist trial,
it became clear
838
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:26,160
the defendants and perpetrators
were in regular contact with Stellwag.
839
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:28,000
COMMUNICATED WITH STELLWAG
UNDER THESE NUMBERS
840
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:29,400
DONALD HOME
DONALD CELL
841
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:40,800
DECEMBER 8, 2009
ONE WEEK BEFORE THE GOLD HEIST
842
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:49,720
It's conspicuous
that Xatar and Stellwag met
843
00:52:49,720 --> 00:52:52,760
a week before the crime,
in the town where he lived.
844
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:57,320
It's also proven that during this meeting,
845
00:52:57,320 --> 00:53:01,480
they looked at the online presence
of the scrap gold dealer in Nuremberg.
846
00:53:02,240 --> 00:53:03,600
They looked at his website.
847
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:16,440
Hanauer is
one of the largest gold buyers in Germany.
848
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:20,120
Xatar and the Kurds, I know them.
849
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:22,240
They're customers of mine.
850
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:25,120
That's true, they bought watches from me.
851
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:28,440
Yeah. He attracts that stuff.
852
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:31,800
He's done a lot of business
with many people,
853
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:33,720
especially in the gold sector.
854
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:37,520
So it's no surprise to me
that he knows someone who just got robbed
855
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:39,000
by someone he also knows.
856
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:45,400
It's possible that I told Xatar
at some point,
857
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:47,800
"You can buy
lots of watches from that guy."
858
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:49,640
I'd be lying if I didn't say that.
859
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:52,680
But you never said
there's a truck on a specific day?
860
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:55,600
I didn't have that information!
How would I?
861
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:58,400
You'd only know that
if you'd staked him out for weeks.
862
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:05,200
They came and questioned me.
863
00:54:05,720 --> 00:54:08,760
At that point, I knew
who had committed the gold heist.
864
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:11,720
Of course, I didn't
talk to the police about that.
865
00:54:11,720 --> 00:54:15,360
Why would I talk about it today?
They were sentenced and did their time.
866
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:19,000
All the defendants knew.
867
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:21,640
"They have too much on us.
We're not getting away with it."
868
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:23,160
There was a deal.
869
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:25,240
PRISON SENTENCE
870
00:54:25,240 --> 00:54:27,160
8 YEARS
871
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:29,280
Eight years max if they confessed.
872
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:32,040
So, it was clear
that that would be the sentence.
873
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:36,760
The trial ended in a verdict,
like every trial does.
874
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:38,000
Xatar went to prison.
875
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:39,840
Donald Stellwag didn't.
876
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:44,360
He denied any involvement
to the investigators.
877
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:50,520
They searched for valuables...
878
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:54,120
and found nothing.
879
00:54:57,240 --> 00:55:00,560
I ask you, did I need to commit
a gold heist like that?
880
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:01,640
It's ridiculous.
881
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:04,760
There's only one reason
the gold heist was committed.
882
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:08,200
For the rappers to be
the big guys in their scene.
883
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:13,760
If you're a gangster rapper,
that gets you all the cred.
884
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:21,520
{\an8}It's gangster rap.
885
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:25,960
{\an8}So for your reputation and credibility,
a gold heist isn't exactly a bad thing.
886
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:32,120
{\an8}It's a real, if you like,
a real gangster story, so to speak.
887
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:34,560
{\an8}Look, Rus, I'm a motherfucker, you know?
888
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:37,400
{\an8}I'll do anything, man.
889
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:41,720
His label is
Goldmann Entertainment.
890
00:55:41,720 --> 00:55:44,520
{\an8}He appears in music videos
dressed entirely in gold.
891
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:47,360
{\an8}And now there's also a movie.
892
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:51,080
{\an8}If you want to make it
to the very top, there is no shortcut.
893
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:59,000
Or maybe there is. But if you take it,
you'll pay a huge price.
894
00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:01,400
How much gold are we talking?
895
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:05,040
{\an8}- Where is the gold?
- Nobody knows.
896
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:09,280
The title is Rhinegold,
and it depicts his life's journey.
897
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:12,520
He markets the gold heist incredibly well.
898
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:14,800
It's a fundamental part of his career.
899
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:18,800
And now, at the age of 34,
he's even written an autobiography.
900
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:21,160
It's the story of a criminal hero.
901
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:28,960
Here it is. Xatar, All or Nothing.
902
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:32,600
And what can I say about the book?
Stories will be told.
903
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:34,960
What gave you the idea to write a book?
904
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:38,160
I was behind bars. I had
too much time and a typewriter.
905
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:49,640
{\an8}"ALL OR NOTHING" (2015)
EXTRACT FROM XATAR'S BOOK
906
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:52,880
{\an8}"We only called him the big guy."
907
00:56:58,360 --> 00:56:59,880
"The big guy was a quirky figure."
908
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:03,360
"When he talked,
he didn't really speak. He panted."
909
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:11,840
"He suffered from cancer
and was almost blind."
910
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:14,120
"Although he was a real wreck of a guy...
911
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:17,680
he was also a gangster."
912
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:26,520
{\an8}"FUCHSTADT,OUR VILLAGE"
AMATEUR DOCUMENTARY 1971-1973
913
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:29,080
{\an8}My path in life
was predetermined.
914
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:32,280
{\an8}I didn't have a childhood
like a normal person.
915
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:37,560
Most people said he was a crook.
916
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:40,000
Others said a real mafioso,
917
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:43,760
because he did
quite a few things that weren't okay.
918
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:45,880
I mean, he's unscrupulous.
919
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:50,840
Inside me was a bad guy.
920
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:53,880
Inside this sheep,
coming from a small village,
921
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:55,880
was a bad wolf.
922
00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:58,760
They made me into a wolf.
923
00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:03,040
I didn't know what it was like to live.
924
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:03,960
WELCOME
925
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:06,080
I didn't know what love was.
926
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:12,160
{\an8}I've only known him
under the name "Donald"
927
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:16,040
{\an8}from coverage on TV
about the bank robbery he didn't commit.
928
00:58:16,040 --> 00:58:17,680
{\an8}RUDOLF THORWARTH
NEIGHBOR FROM FUCHSSTADT
929
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:19,920
{\an8}Before that, in Fuchsstadt,
I only knew him as "Harald."
930
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:23,280
{\an8}His grandmother called him that,
as well as all of us.
931
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:26,000
{\an8}DONALD STELLWAG'S GRANDMOTHER
932
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:32,560
{\an8}DONALD STELLWAG WITH HIS GRANDMOTHER
933
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:35,920
{\an8}He grew up in the poorhouse, so to speak.
934
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:39,640
{\an8}He didn't have
a lot of worldly possessions.
935
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:41,680
{\an8}DONALD STELLWAG WITH HIS GRANDMOTHER
AND TWO UNCLES
936
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:43,640
{\an8}He had what he needed to live,
but nothing more.
937
00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:52,600
In the '60s, Fuchsstadt was
essentially a real farming village.
938
00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:55,160
It didn't have a population of 500 yet.
939
00:58:56,720 --> 00:59:00,320
And in the village,
everyone pretty much knew everyone.
940
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:06,720
I was born out of wedlock,
941
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:10,760
and on top of that,
I was the child of a US soldier.
942
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:13,040
To them, I was the Yankee bastard.
943
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:18,760
We basically grew up
with the Americans.
944
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:21,000
Some saw them as liberators,
945
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:22,840
others as occupiers.
946
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:25,760
If a girl got involved
with one of the Americans,
947
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:27,960
that was really bad news.
948
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:30,080
Then it would be like,
949
00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:33,040
"There goes the Yankee whore!"
950
00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:38,440
{\an8}DONALD STELLWAG'S MOTHER
951
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:42,120
{\an8}Because my mother
and my father died very young,
952
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:45,560
{\an8}I grew up with my grandparents
on my mother's side.
953
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:51,840
Other than that,
I had no parental figures in my village.
954
00:59:57,160 --> 00:59:59,840
As an American child, you were a pariah.
955
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:10,120
There was a football club,
a youth club, a musical society.
956
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:14,080
All the things
a Bavarian village usually has.
957
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:16,960
Those were forbidden to me.
958
01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:23,600
There's a picture of him
in the soccer team.
959
01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:27,480
He's there as the goalkeeper
in the middle of the picture.
960
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:36,440
He was pretty much integrated
into village life.
961
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:42,200
Harald is one year my junior.
962
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:43,600
So in primary school,
963
01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:45,040
{\an8}we spent three years together...
964
01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:46,000
{\an8}JOHANN MEYER SCHOOLMATE
965
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:47,000
{\an8}...in the same classroom.
966
01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:50,400
We were passionate card players.
967
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:51,760
We had gatherings.
968
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:54,040
He was there every day on weekends.
969
01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:56,840
When he came to the pub,
970
01:00:56,840 --> 01:01:00,160
he showed up in a pinstripe suit
and played the big man.
971
01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:04,600
"Hey, I'm not the little asshole
you all thought I was."
972
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:11,840
Just to show people
that even as a Yankee bastard,
973
01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:14,080
you could make something of yourself.
974
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:18,120
Fuchsstadt was too small for him.
975
01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:21,760
I wanted to see something new.
976
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:23,600
So I went out into the world.
977
01:01:33,080 --> 01:01:35,600
There was nothing
Frankfurt didn't have.
978
01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:37,440
And everything was appealing to me.
979
01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:42,200
It also offered
opportunities to make money.
980
01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:50,400
There was so much going on.
I just had a lust for life.
981
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:51,480
It was fun.
982
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:54,880
I made great money.
983
01:01:57,880 --> 01:01:59,000
Nothing but freedom.
984
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:05,840
If someone is rich and not stupid,
985
01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:07,760
in Germany,
986
01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:11,280
they can only grow richer.
987
01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:13,000
There is no other way.
988
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:16,280
There is no other way.
989
01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:19,040
They'd have to be complete idiots.
990
01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:21,200
Or you get sick.
991
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:23,080
Or you get sick.
992
01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:32,280
I woke up and was like,
993
01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:35,880
"I feel this kind of pressure.
I don't know what's going on."
994
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:39,880
So I went out on the balcony.
995
01:02:41,560 --> 01:02:42,640
I can't see!
996
01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:46,080
I'm blind!
997
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:48,960
X-rayed.
998
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:53,000
"You have a brain tumor.
You need surgery immediately."
999
01:02:53,640 --> 01:02:54,640
He told me,
1000
01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:58,280
"You'll never live
like a normal person again."
1001
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:01,680
I must've been 25 at the time.
1002
01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:05,360
I had no libido at all.
1003
01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:08,320
I never had the chance
to live like a man again.
1004
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:13,720
When you become a monster like that,
1005
01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:16,640
you don't care about anything anymore.
1006
01:03:19,240 --> 01:03:21,880
At that point, I lost everything quickly.
1007
01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:25,680
I became addicted to drugs,
like hardcore heroin.
1008
01:03:29,640 --> 01:03:34,040
I wasn't expected to live long.
That's why I played with fire.
1009
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:42,000
The criminals were in Frankfurt as well.
1010
01:03:45,160 --> 01:03:46,160
I knew everything.
1011
01:03:47,120 --> 01:03:49,880
Where to buy LSD, where to buy weapons.
1012
01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:53,080
I got involved in many things.
1013
01:03:55,960 --> 01:03:59,400
I bought a lot of drugs
and sold them to street-level sellers.
1014
01:03:59,400 --> 01:04:01,000
I made good money.
1015
01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:05,120
We also set up illegal casinos.
1016
01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:09,240
That's where the gamblers went.
1017
01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:11,480
They took out loans from us
at horrendous rates.
1018
01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:16,720
I also did various scams and stole items.
1019
01:04:16,720 --> 01:04:18,920
I had run-ins with the law.
1020
01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:22,160
It wasn't a clean slate. There was a file.
1021
01:04:22,160 --> 01:04:23,920
THEFT - TWO CASES OF FRAUD - EXTORTION
1022
01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:25,400
FRAUD - FRAUD - DRUG DEALING
1023
01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:26,760
12 FRAUD OFFENSES
1024
01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:28,080
EMBEZZLEMENT
1025
01:04:28,680 --> 01:04:29,680
Ridiculous.
1026
01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:31,480
Then I had a lucky break.
1027
01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:39,400
In November of '89, the Wall came down.
1028
01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:42,120
In December,
I was in the new eastern states.
1029
01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:47,160
Borders come down
for the beautiful world of Western goods.
1030
01:04:47,160 --> 01:04:51,160
Honestly speaking,
the East Germans were totally duped.
1031
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:53,480
By you as well?
1032
01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:54,400
Obviously.
1033
01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:59,440
Drücker are
what we call aggressive magazine salesmen
1034
01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:04,120
that go from door to door and make money
by exploiting people's gullibility.
1035
01:05:04,120 --> 01:05:05,120
My name is Guloff.
1036
01:05:05,640 --> 01:05:08,800
That's when I realized
the Drücker business was profitable.
1037
01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:11,560
Their methods
aren't always the most subtle.
1038
01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:15,760
They plead some sob story to evoke pity.
1039
01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:18,240
And using this pity,
they collect signatures
1040
01:05:18,240 --> 01:05:20,640
on long-running magazine subscriptions.
1041
01:05:22,080 --> 01:05:23,840
It wasn't well-regarded,
1042
01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:26,040
but at the publishers, I was the big man.
1043
01:05:28,120 --> 01:05:30,240
Officially, I was a janitor.
1044
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:33,320
Unofficially, the head of the Drücker.
1045
01:05:33,320 --> 01:05:36,080
We made an insane amount of money.
1046
01:05:37,800 --> 01:05:39,120
Insane.
1047
01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:42,320
If they hadn't locked me up,
1048
01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:47,040
you'd be in front of a mogul today.
1049
01:05:47,560 --> 01:05:49,080
That's how much money we made.
1050
01:05:54,520 --> 01:05:57,200
But unfortunately I got dragged in there.
1051
01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:00,600
{\an8}In December 1991,
1052
01:06:00,600 --> 01:06:03,160
{\an8}this man robbed
a Sparkasse branch in Nuremberg...
1053
01:06:04,800 --> 01:06:06,520
The scapha doesn't flow
1054
01:06:06,520 --> 01:06:08,720
into the connective tissue area
of the ear.
1055
01:06:09,640 --> 01:06:12,040
The contour of the external ear rim...
1056
01:06:16,920 --> 01:06:21,320
I definitely didn't see it
as an innocent man getting convicted.
1057
01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:27,240
{\an8}THE NÜRNBERGER NACHRICHTEN
NEWSPAPER ARCHIVE
1058
01:06:27,240 --> 01:06:30,360
{\an8}There were a number of factors
that counted against him.
1059
01:06:35,160 --> 01:06:36,160
HEAD OF THE DRÜCKER GANG
1060
01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:40,960
{\an8}The Drücker is already someone
who exhibits a pretty tough demeanor,
1061
01:06:40,960 --> 01:06:43,400
{\an8}so of course the boss of a Drücker gang
1062
01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:46,560
{\an8}is someone who can't be
particularly fragile,
1063
01:06:46,560 --> 01:06:50,400
{\an8}because otherwise, he wouldn't be able
to conduct his business.
1064
01:06:51,240 --> 01:06:54,920
In dubio pro reo doesn't exist.
1065
01:06:54,920 --> 01:06:58,200
The state doesn't have to prove
that you were the perpetrator.
1066
01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:01,000
You have to prove that you weren't.
1067
01:07:03,080 --> 01:07:05,160
BANK ROBBERY TRIAL
1068
01:07:05,160 --> 01:07:09,360
The title "bank robbery trial" suggests
there was nothing else going on,
1069
01:07:09,360 --> 01:07:10,480
which is wrong.
1070
01:07:10,480 --> 01:07:13,960
That wasn't the only offense
he was accused of.
1071
01:07:13,960 --> 01:07:16,480
It also concerned
an offense against property.
1072
01:07:17,160 --> 01:07:19,440
{\an8}ACCUSATION OF EMBEZZLEMENT
1073
01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:23,240
The bank robbery
accounted for 90% of the trial.
1074
01:07:23,240 --> 01:07:24,920
They also added smaller things
1075
01:07:24,920 --> 01:07:26,520
like him squandering money
1076
01:07:26,520 --> 01:07:27,880
or not passing it on.
1077
01:07:27,880 --> 01:07:29,240
I can't tell you exactly.
1078
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:30,840
GUESTHOUSE OWNER
1079
01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:33,160
230,000.00 DEUTSCH MARKS
1080
01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:35,680
It would be wrong to say
1081
01:07:35,680 --> 01:07:38,640
that the second charge
was just a minor offense.
1082
01:07:39,720 --> 01:07:40,760
If I remember well,
1083
01:07:40,760 --> 01:07:44,480
it was a matter of this person
losing their entire wealth.
1084
01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:49,120
I would say this second charge
put him in a considerably worse position.
1085
01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:55,080
Because he's obviously willing to commit
material violations of law to make money.
1086
01:07:56,080 --> 01:07:57,840
And make lots of money.
1087
01:07:58,800 --> 01:08:02,120
I remember that there were
quite a few previous convictions.
1088
01:08:03,240 --> 01:08:06,760
THE DEFENDANT'S CONSIDERABLE
PREVIOUS CONVICTIONS HAVE TO CARRY WEIGHT
1089
01:08:06,760 --> 01:08:09,280
I was no angel.
I had prior convictions.
1090
01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:12,360
But I believed, as an old crook
with a code of honor,
1091
01:08:12,360 --> 01:08:15,440
that if you didn't do something,
you didn't get convicted.
1092
01:08:15,440 --> 01:08:18,640
IMPRESSION OF LACK OF CREDIBILITY
OF THE ALIBI WITNESSES
1093
01:08:19,760 --> 01:08:22,280
Some of the witnesses
for the alibi were
1094
01:08:22,280 --> 01:08:25,400
people who were
advertising magazines for him.
1095
01:08:25,920 --> 01:08:30,360
The court always looks at those witnesses
with some kind of suspicion,
1096
01:08:30,360 --> 01:08:32,720
because they're on the side
of the defendant,
1097
01:08:32,720 --> 01:08:35,240
THE STATEMENTS SOMETIMES
CONTRADICT EACH OTHER INEXPLICABLY
1098
01:08:35,240 --> 01:08:37,880
and as we know,
their résumés aren't exactly perfect.
1099
01:08:39,920 --> 01:08:43,440
That sort of suggested,
and it happens from time to time,
1100
01:08:44,040 --> 01:08:46,480
that there were collusive agreements.
1101
01:08:46,480 --> 01:08:50,920
At the end, the court was of the opinion
that this was exactly the case here.
1102
01:08:50,920 --> 01:08:54,200
That a couple of buddies
provided a criminal with an alibi.
1103
01:08:55,080 --> 01:08:56,960
The defendant is guilty.
1104
01:09:03,720 --> 01:09:06,960
It's always better
to present an innocent person and say,
1105
01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:08,840
"Justice system, you got it wrong again,"
1106
01:09:08,840 --> 01:09:12,280
instead of saying
he was in fact guilty in the past.
1107
01:09:12,280 --> 01:09:13,920
People on the street would say,
1108
01:09:13,920 --> 01:09:16,680
"Well, it didn't actually affect
an innocent person."
1109
01:09:18,240 --> 01:09:20,880
I believe that this legend of
1110
01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:23,960
"the innocently convicted
with a completely clean slate"
1111
01:09:23,960 --> 01:09:29,560
mostly emerged due to this idea
that the only way to have a chance
1112
01:09:30,360 --> 01:09:33,440
is reasonably selling it well
to the media.
1113
01:09:37,400 --> 01:09:39,640
You often don't have that much airtime,
1114
01:09:39,640 --> 01:09:43,400
which means you work with a certain amount
of black-and-white thinking.
1115
01:09:44,480 --> 01:09:46,880
Here's the victim
of a miscarriage of justice
1116
01:09:46,880 --> 01:09:49,120
who's going to tell us
how it could come to that.
1117
01:09:51,400 --> 01:09:52,320
In such a case,
1118
01:09:52,320 --> 01:09:54,640
you really have to paint
a black-and-white picture
1119
01:09:54,640 --> 01:09:56,440
to communicate it clearly.
1120
01:09:56,960 --> 01:10:00,000
If you really want to tell
the story of what happened to him,
1121
01:10:00,800 --> 01:10:05,040
it makes no sense to shine a light
on his past as the head of a Drücker gang,
1122
01:10:05,040 --> 01:10:07,600
because that just creates the wrong mood.
1123
01:10:08,360 --> 01:10:10,160
{\an8}We realized that back then too.
1124
01:10:11,080 --> 01:10:13,240
{\an8}We also had this predicament
during filming,
1125
01:10:13,240 --> 01:10:15,000
{\an8}and decided it wouldn't work.
1126
01:10:15,760 --> 01:10:19,800
Because of his type, he's not exactly
the most sympathetic person.
1127
01:10:19,800 --> 01:10:24,880
No one would perceive him as the victim
of a miscarriage of justice, which he is.
1128
01:10:26,640 --> 01:10:29,680
There were also facts added
that I couldn't remember,
1129
01:10:29,680 --> 01:10:31,200
and I said to myself,
1130
01:10:31,200 --> 01:10:34,680
"What is he talking about?
That maybe happened differently."
1131
01:10:35,720 --> 01:10:38,320
It gained a certain momentum of its own.
1132
01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:42,280
I think there's a battle
going on inside him.
1133
01:10:44,040 --> 01:10:45,240
Like good versus evil.
1134
01:10:52,360 --> 01:10:55,040
I think he arranges
certain things and stories
1135
01:10:55,040 --> 01:10:57,200
so that he's put back in the limelight.
1136
01:10:59,240 --> 01:11:00,280
I believe that.
1137
01:11:08,240 --> 01:11:10,040
No matter what he tells you,
1138
01:11:10,040 --> 01:11:12,880
it's always difficult
to find out if it's true or not.
1139
01:11:15,960 --> 01:11:18,640
So I don't even
look into most things anymore.
1140
01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:21,840
Because I've known this behavior
as long as I've known him.
1141
01:11:25,240 --> 01:11:27,360
- It's no use.
- Because he's a liar?
1142
01:11:29,920 --> 01:11:31,960
A normal person would say he's a liar.
1143
01:11:32,760 --> 01:11:34,560
An exaggerator, a fraud.
1144
01:11:37,200 --> 01:11:38,200
Drücker boss.
1145
01:11:41,440 --> 01:11:43,200
If you're in
solitary confinement
1146
01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:46,160
and you have no radio, no TV, it's hell.
1147
01:11:48,440 --> 01:11:49,560
{\an8}I was incarcerated...
1148
01:11:49,560 --> 01:11:50,600
{\an8}FALK SIMANG
FELLOW INMATE
1149
01:11:50,600 --> 01:11:53,800
{\an8}...and got sent to Straubing Prison,
to the sick ward.
1150
01:11:54,720 --> 01:11:56,640
That's where Donald Stellwag was.
1151
01:11:58,880 --> 01:12:00,640
Nobody talked to me!
1152
01:12:02,520 --> 01:12:06,320
You are isolated
from everyone, from all prisoners.
1153
01:12:06,320 --> 01:12:07,800
Because you didn't confess?
1154
01:12:07,800 --> 01:12:11,440
Because you won't confess. You say,
"I didn't do it. Do what you want to me."
1155
01:12:11,440 --> 01:12:12,720
So that's what they did.
1156
01:12:13,920 --> 01:12:15,960
It wasn't isolation
in that sense.
1157
01:12:15,960 --> 01:12:17,720
He was just in the sick ward.
1158
01:12:18,840 --> 01:12:20,560
Because he really was sick.
1159
01:12:25,760 --> 01:12:28,920
So he wasn't in isolation
for not admitting to this crime?
1160
01:12:28,920 --> 01:12:30,960
No, no, no.
1161
01:12:32,160 --> 01:12:36,080
It's possible that they tried
preventing groups from forming in prison.
1162
01:12:37,560 --> 01:12:40,920
Donald is someone
who can sway people to his side.
1163
01:12:42,840 --> 01:12:47,640
When you spend 24 hours a day
in your cell, of course you start talking.
1164
01:12:49,600 --> 01:12:52,640
It was just a good match.
We became real friends.
1165
01:13:02,240 --> 01:13:03,920
Falk had a great story.
1166
01:13:03,920 --> 01:13:06,200
Almost as extraordinary as mine.
1167
01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:09,920
Good evening.
1168
01:13:09,920 --> 01:13:12,200
In the studio with us is Falk Simang.
1169
01:13:12,200 --> 01:13:15,560
He is a trained roofer
and bricklayer from Dresden.
1170
01:13:15,560 --> 01:13:18,480
He did his military service
in the East German army.
1171
01:13:18,480 --> 01:13:20,160
He's been a mercenary for a year.
1172
01:13:20,160 --> 01:13:23,320
Up until Friday, he was fighting
house-to-house in Mostar.
1173
01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:25,280
It's quite a story.
1174
01:13:25,280 --> 01:13:29,240
I was incarcerated
for quote-unquote murder
1175
01:13:29,240 --> 01:13:30,920
during the Yugoslav Wars.
1176
01:13:32,720 --> 01:13:35,760
{\an8}It's not just Serbs, Croats
and Muslims fighting each other.
1177
01:13:35,760 --> 01:13:39,240
{\an8}There are also foreign mercenaries
fighting on all fronts.
1178
01:13:39,240 --> 01:13:40,160
Germans too.
1179
01:13:41,280 --> 01:13:44,560
Of course,
some I had fought didn't like that at all.
1180
01:13:46,080 --> 01:13:50,720
As a result,
I was bothered a lot from all sides.
1181
01:13:51,320 --> 01:13:53,040
So I had to go to the sick ward.
1182
01:13:54,600 --> 01:13:56,160
He gave me a nickname.
1183
01:13:57,560 --> 01:13:58,520
Big Mäck.
1184
01:13:58,520 --> 01:14:02,600
I think there will be quite a few people
still thinking about him.
1185
01:14:06,400 --> 01:14:09,960
He was a legend in Straubing.
They won't have another like him again.
1186
01:14:12,120 --> 01:14:15,680
I established certain structures
in that prison.
1187
01:14:15,680 --> 01:14:18,040
Falk had military training.
1188
01:14:18,040 --> 01:14:21,400
He knew exactly how to go about
recruiting people,
1189
01:14:21,400 --> 01:14:23,480
and what their jobs would be.
1190
01:14:24,760 --> 01:14:26,000
It was grand.
1191
01:14:32,400 --> 01:14:35,880
In front of the sick ward door
was where they always gathered.
1192
01:14:35,880 --> 01:14:37,800
That was always the contact point.
1193
01:14:38,360 --> 01:14:40,280
They'd push notes under the door...
1194
01:14:43,400 --> 01:14:44,440
{\an8}JUSTICE DEPARTMENT
1195
01:14:47,320 --> 01:14:49,920
...then hand over
bank notes or what was needed.
1196
01:14:55,080 --> 01:14:58,000
They had to make sure
they got transferred to the sick ward
1197
01:14:58,000 --> 01:15:00,720
or guarantee that the stuff
made its way there
1198
01:15:01,240 --> 01:15:03,440
via laundry shop workers or something.
1199
01:15:14,960 --> 01:15:18,960
That fits.
I believe that straightaway.
1200
01:15:18,960 --> 01:15:24,000
That's exactly the kind of thing
this... isolation, so to speak,
1201
01:15:24,520 --> 01:15:25,760
was supposed to prevent.
1202
01:15:25,760 --> 01:15:28,080
They said I had to be put in isolation
1203
01:15:28,080 --> 01:15:30,520
because I had to be separated
from other inmates.
1204
01:15:30,520 --> 01:15:35,200
That means you couldn't talk to anyone
for six years during your incarceration?
1205
01:15:35,200 --> 01:15:36,480
No, I couldn't.
1206
01:15:37,560 --> 01:15:41,160
Should I say
we lived in prison like God in France?
1207
01:15:42,240 --> 01:15:43,680
Is that anyone's business?
1208
01:15:46,840 --> 01:15:48,560
It was like in Goodfellas.
1209
01:15:51,440 --> 01:15:54,240
{\an8}When you think of prison, you picture
1210
01:15:54,240 --> 01:15:57,160
{\an8}all those old movies
with rows and rows of guys behind bars.
1211
01:15:57,160 --> 01:15:59,720
But it wasn't like that for wise guys.
1212
01:16:00,920 --> 01:16:03,360
It really wasn't that bad,
except that I missed Jimmy.
1213
01:16:03,360 --> 01:16:05,200
He was doing his time in Atlanta.
1214
01:16:06,920 --> 01:16:09,640
There was also
a small kitchen in the sick ward.
1215
01:16:11,400 --> 01:16:13,200
I would always cook for us there.
1216
01:16:14,480 --> 01:16:18,800
Spaghetti, meat, cutlets.
I mean, we had everything.
1217
01:16:22,840 --> 01:16:24,760
Life like a pig in clover.
1218
01:16:24,760 --> 01:16:26,080
In thick clover.
1219
01:16:27,760 --> 01:16:30,480
Big Mäck was the man.
He could do anything.
1220
01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:32,760
Believe me.
1221
01:16:33,840 --> 01:16:36,040
If it was available, we had it.
1222
01:16:37,240 --> 01:16:39,040
If DeVito doesn't
do anything soon,
1223
01:16:39,040 --> 01:16:40,440
things will come to a standstill.
1224
01:16:41,600 --> 01:16:44,480
He's a Pied Piper of sorts.
He can win people over
1225
01:16:44,480 --> 01:16:46,560
and make them go around
running his errands.
1226
01:16:46,560 --> 01:16:49,440
He needs to do that,
because he can't do it himself.
1227
01:16:49,440 --> 01:16:51,040
Others have to do it for him.
1228
01:16:53,080 --> 01:16:54,720
Women are a dime a dozen.
1229
01:16:55,200 --> 01:16:58,840
But real, true friends
are something you rarely find.
1230
01:16:59,720 --> 01:17:01,640
Donald was a lucky find for me.
1231
01:17:02,600 --> 01:17:04,120
Innocent behind bars...
1232
01:17:04,120 --> 01:17:08,560
I saw every TV show
he appeared on. It was simply magnificent.
1233
01:17:09,920 --> 01:17:12,160
Now he uses his newly found freedom
1234
01:17:12,160 --> 01:17:15,200
to pray in a chapel
near his home in Nuremberg.
1235
01:17:16,640 --> 01:17:18,760
Always about being innocent.
1236
01:17:18,760 --> 01:17:21,640
And at some point,
that thing with the gold heist...
1237
01:17:23,720 --> 01:17:25,800
I don't know. If he'd done it, good.
1238
01:17:26,480 --> 01:17:28,200
It would be well-deserved.
1239
01:17:30,840 --> 01:17:33,760
Someone is innocently imprisoned
for a very long time.
1240
01:17:33,760 --> 01:17:35,480
So much went wrong there.
1241
01:17:35,480 --> 01:17:37,440
That could be a reason to say,
1242
01:17:37,440 --> 01:17:39,920
"I've been behind bars
for such a long time."
1243
01:17:39,920 --> 01:17:43,160
"Now, at the very least,
I can go and do something unlawful."
1244
01:17:44,360 --> 01:17:47,800
To have anger brewing inside you
after all that time and think,
1245
01:17:47,800 --> 01:17:48,960
"I'm owed one on the house."
1246
01:17:48,960 --> 01:17:50,480
I could imagine that.
1247
01:17:52,200 --> 01:17:53,760
I'm not sure what I would have done,
1248
01:17:53,760 --> 01:17:56,520
spending nine years imprisoned,
falsely accused.
1249
01:18:00,120 --> 01:18:03,400
What happened to him was terrible,
but he doesn't get a free pass.
1250
01:18:05,440 --> 01:18:07,840
You can't weigh that
against a new crime and say,
1251
01:18:07,840 --> 01:18:10,200
"Okay, I'm entitled to this now."
1252
01:18:10,200 --> 01:18:12,440
He's owed one, but it's not right.
1253
01:18:14,680 --> 01:18:17,920
He is a victim
of a miscarriage of justice. Period.
1254
01:18:19,720 --> 01:18:21,000
In this case, anyway.
1255
01:18:28,640 --> 01:18:30,960
"Although he was a real wreck of a guy,
1256
01:18:30,960 --> 01:18:32,520
he was also a gangster."
1257
01:18:36,080 --> 01:18:37,560
{\an8}"The boss of a Drücker crew..."
1258
01:18:37,560 --> 01:18:39,000
{\an8}EXTRACT FROM XATAR'S BOOK
1259
01:18:39,000 --> 01:18:42,560
{\an8}"...forcing men to sell
magazine subscriptions door to door."
1260
01:18:42,560 --> 01:18:43,880
ANTIQUE & JEWELRY MARKETS
1261
01:18:46,120 --> 01:18:48,720
"He was dealing in jewelry now.
Officially."
1262
01:18:49,520 --> 01:18:51,520
"He wanted to sell me something else."
1263
01:18:53,840 --> 01:18:54,840
"Information."
1264
01:18:58,880 --> 01:19:02,400
You'd only know that
if you'd staked him out for weeks.
1265
01:19:06,160 --> 01:19:08,200
He had built up trust
with an employee
1266
01:19:08,200 --> 01:19:10,560
of this scrap gold merchant
from Nuremberg,
1267
01:19:11,600 --> 01:19:15,440
and questioned him over several months,
more or less, about the company.
1268
01:19:18,800 --> 01:19:21,160
The guy apparently answered him naively.
1269
01:19:21,160 --> 01:19:22,880
That way, Stellwag learned there was
1270
01:19:22,880 --> 01:19:25,880
this transport that wasn't
particularly well-secured,
1271
01:19:26,480 --> 01:19:29,640
and eventually convinced himself to do it.
1272
01:19:29,640 --> 01:19:30,920
FACTS
1273
01:19:30,920 --> 01:19:36,000
DONALD STELLWAG SUGGESTED
AMBUSHING A GOLD TRANSPORTER
1274
01:19:36,000 --> 01:19:39,560
The court determined
that he was involved in planning the crime
1275
01:19:39,560 --> 01:19:41,640
and was the one to give the tip-off.
1276
01:19:43,560 --> 01:19:47,240
He couldn't tell the story of the victim
of the justice system. That was done.
1277
01:19:53,240 --> 01:19:55,360
There were no clues to contradict this.
1278
01:19:55,360 --> 01:19:57,880
He never defended himself.
He didn't have to.
1279
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:02,800
There was a warrant.
They wanted to lock him up.
1280
01:20:02,800 --> 01:20:05,160
We didn't do anything
to prove his innocence.
1281
01:20:05,680 --> 01:20:08,920
The man couldn't be put on trial.
He couldn't be charged.
1282
01:20:09,440 --> 01:20:13,160
In this case with the gold,
the strategy was his health.
1283
01:20:13,160 --> 01:20:14,240
Nothing else.
1284
01:20:15,640 --> 01:20:16,840
Neder said,
1285
01:20:16,840 --> 01:20:20,280
"I immediately want to arrange
a detention review hearing
1286
01:20:20,280 --> 01:20:22,680
to see if he's even fit for prison."
1287
01:20:22,680 --> 01:20:24,160
Here's the story.
1288
01:20:28,040 --> 01:20:29,920
There was a medical director,
1289
01:20:30,520 --> 01:20:33,520
a pathologist
for the district court in Nuremberg.
1290
01:20:38,680 --> 01:20:40,600
Head of pathology in Nuremberg.
1291
01:20:43,480 --> 01:20:45,840
He comes in, opens the file.
1292
01:20:47,840 --> 01:20:50,840
I swear to you on all I hold dear...
1293
01:20:52,960 --> 01:20:55,040
he looks at me, looks at the file.
1294
01:20:55,880 --> 01:20:57,960
Looks at me again and says,
1295
01:20:58,640 --> 01:21:00,640
"I can't believe it.
You're Donald Stellwag?"
1296
01:21:00,640 --> 01:21:01,720
"Yeah."
1297
01:21:03,480 --> 01:21:06,240
"What my court and the state did to you,
1298
01:21:07,000 --> 01:21:09,000
we will never be able to atone for."
1299
01:21:19,040 --> 01:21:20,080
"Unfit for prison."
1300
01:21:21,400 --> 01:21:27,480
{\an8}UNFIT FOR PRISON
1301
01:21:32,840 --> 01:21:34,880
Later, when we sat together,
1302
01:21:35,400 --> 01:21:38,200
Neder says to me, "I'm a lawyer."
1303
01:21:38,200 --> 01:21:42,800
"In law circles,
that's what we call a carte blanche."
1304
01:21:42,800 --> 01:21:45,760
"Something like that
doesn't even exist in Germany."
1305
01:21:46,280 --> 01:21:49,480
"Unfit for prison?
You'd have to be dead for that."
1306
01:21:52,160 --> 01:21:53,560
Unfit for prison.
1307
01:22:04,320 --> 01:22:05,880
You're not allowed to say it.
1308
01:22:06,400 --> 01:22:08,800
The justice system
doesn't like to hear it.
1309
01:22:08,800 --> 01:22:11,400
It's due to the actual
state of his health.
1310
01:22:11,400 --> 01:22:13,360
In effect, it is carte blanche.
1311
01:22:13,880 --> 01:22:15,280
That's what it is.
1312
01:22:16,680 --> 01:22:18,600
He isn't doing anything bad.
1313
01:22:20,200 --> 01:22:22,440
Theoretically, he can do
whatever he wants.
1314
01:22:26,320 --> 01:22:30,120
It's understandable that people
who have been caught, are on trial,
1315
01:22:30,120 --> 01:22:33,160
and potentially facing
a long prison sentence,
1316
01:22:33,160 --> 01:22:34,480
would try and shift the blame
1317
01:22:34,480 --> 01:22:37,560
to a person
who could likely not be prosecuted.
1318
01:22:37,560 --> 01:22:39,640
He is unfit for prison, after all.
1319
01:22:39,640 --> 01:22:41,520
That could be a defense strategy.
1320
01:22:45,800 --> 01:22:47,160
{\an8}"As for the gold...
1321
01:22:50,960 --> 01:22:52,960
{\an8}we made it so we could blame it on him."
1322
01:22:55,800 --> 01:22:58,280
"He was seriously ill
and had nothing to fear."
1323
01:22:59,560 --> 01:23:01,960
"In that way, he saved our asses."
1324
01:23:04,360 --> 01:23:06,240
Has that trial uncovered the truth?
1325
01:23:07,920 --> 01:23:11,360
In parts, yes, I'm convinced of that.
But not all of it.
1326
01:23:11,360 --> 01:23:14,400
As we know, it's not known
where the stolen goods are now.
1327
01:23:16,760 --> 01:23:19,560
Who profited and to what degree?
We don't know.
1328
01:23:43,000 --> 01:23:47,840
Everyone here is a neat freak.
I just don't get it. It's a little much.
1329
01:23:48,760 --> 01:23:50,520
There's nothing on the streets.
1330
01:23:51,240 --> 01:23:55,320
Our property is the messiest by far.
People get worked up about it.
1331
01:23:59,760 --> 01:24:01,720
They're watching the street
from their windows
1332
01:24:01,720 --> 01:24:03,680
so they have something to report.
1333
01:24:05,000 --> 01:24:07,560
{\an8}Just normal countryside stuff in Germany.
1334
01:24:07,560 --> 01:24:09,880
{\an8}DRIVE CAREFULLY!
IT COULD BE YOUR CHILD TOO
1335
01:24:09,880 --> 01:24:12,080
{\an8}I tell myself, "They don't know you."
1336
01:24:40,680 --> 01:24:42,360
My name is Frank Vogel.
1337
01:24:42,360 --> 01:24:43,960
I'm almost 53 years old,
1338
01:24:43,960 --> 01:24:45,760
and I take care of Mr. Stellwag.
1339
01:24:46,960 --> 01:24:48,200
Good food!
1340
01:24:48,880 --> 01:24:51,080
- Thank you.
- Here's your sandwiches.
1341
01:24:57,760 --> 01:24:58,760
Thank you.
1342
01:24:59,800 --> 01:25:00,920
Thank you, Mr. Vogel.
1343
01:25:02,200 --> 01:25:03,720
From the bottom of my heart.
1344
01:25:05,480 --> 01:25:07,240
But I can't eat it without salt.
1345
01:25:08,360 --> 01:25:10,000
I know why you keep hiding it.
1346
01:25:13,680 --> 01:25:16,640
The reason is simple.
I'm also fat.
1347
01:25:17,960 --> 01:25:20,840
Maybe someday,
I'll be in this situation too.
1348
01:25:20,840 --> 01:25:24,600
I hope somebody will do for me
what I'm doing for him now.
1349
01:25:28,280 --> 01:25:29,480
It's as simple as that.
1350
01:25:32,840 --> 01:25:34,600
I live off of whatever comes in.
1351
01:25:36,960 --> 01:25:37,880
Antiques
1352
01:25:38,760 --> 01:25:40,480
or whatever comes my way.
1353
01:25:41,960 --> 01:25:43,680
But nothing illegal.
1354
01:25:43,680 --> 01:25:46,960
Why are you laughing?
1355
01:25:47,800 --> 01:25:50,640
Because everyone assumes
since I live with him,
1356
01:25:51,760 --> 01:25:53,800
I must be doing something illegal.
1357
01:25:57,920 --> 01:26:00,920
In the trial,
it didn't become clear who has the gold.
1358
01:26:00,920 --> 01:26:02,080
Many could have it.
1359
01:26:08,080 --> 01:26:10,520
I still have a bit of gold,
and it has to go.
1360
01:26:10,520 --> 01:26:11,680
{\an8}ORDER NOW!!!
1361
01:26:11,680 --> 01:26:14,800
{\an8}STARTING TODAY THERE IS A NEW
INTERNATIONAL CURRENCY! #NOJOKE
1362
01:26:14,800 --> 01:26:17,800
{\an8}You now have the opportunity
to get real gold from Xatar
1363
01:26:17,800 --> 01:26:20,080
with the limited Xatar coin.
1364
01:26:21,640 --> 01:26:25,000
The Xatar coin is
a gold coin with his face on it.
1365
01:26:25,000 --> 01:26:28,480
And the references to the gold heist
are more than obvious.
1366
01:26:29,440 --> 01:26:31,200
You better act fast.
1367
01:26:33,760 --> 01:26:36,880
{\an8}There isn't a lot of effort
put into denying the rumors
1368
01:26:36,880 --> 01:26:39,360
that maybe they do
have the gold after all.
1369
01:26:40,440 --> 01:26:43,200
{\an8}During all that time,
1370
01:26:43,200 --> 01:26:45,440
{\an8}has anyone revealed
what happened to the loot in the end?
1371
01:26:45,440 --> 01:26:47,520
No. Because none of us know.
1372
01:26:50,600 --> 01:26:53,280
But the gold is hidden somewhere
and you know where?
1373
01:26:54,440 --> 01:26:55,640
That's what you're saying.
1374
01:26:58,040 --> 01:27:00,480
If you had gold, where would you bury it?
1375
01:27:01,800 --> 01:27:04,720
Come on, you would bury it.
I would bury it.
1376
01:27:04,720 --> 01:27:08,120
{\an8}After ten years, I'm still getting asked,
"Bro, where is your gold?"
1377
01:27:13,200 --> 01:27:14,920
So where's the gold?
1378
01:27:16,880 --> 01:27:21,000
Look around you. I'm in the house
of a friend who takes care of me.
1379
01:27:22,120 --> 01:27:24,720
There's no gold here.
Never was nor will be.
1380
01:27:25,720 --> 01:27:27,720
Sorry.
1381
01:27:33,320 --> 01:27:37,080
Hey,. I don't have time.
There's a TV crew here.
1382
01:27:39,120 --> 01:27:41,400
What about the Dom Pérignon
and all that wine?
1383
01:27:45,840 --> 01:27:46,760
How many?
1384
01:27:46,760 --> 01:27:48,200
A thousand bottles?
1385
01:27:48,200 --> 01:27:49,520
You're crazy.
1386
01:27:50,600 --> 01:27:54,960
Where is it supposed to go?
I'll have to ask the suppliers.
1387
01:27:57,840 --> 01:27:58,840
All right.
1388
01:28:01,040 --> 01:28:02,080
We'll talk later, okay?
1389
01:28:03,800 --> 01:28:04,800
Ciao.