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Federal agents, why would
they still be here if they...

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Why would I make them
so uncomfortable?

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Who are you people?

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So, what do you think
is the biggest threat right now?

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I think the biggest threat
is the FBI, the NSA,

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um, and their counterparts
in foreign governments.

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I mean, these are all,
essentially, you know,

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companies, right?

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They try to justify their
budgets in various ways,

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often by scaremongering.

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♪ Whoo

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♪ Difference is
between you and me ♪

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I make this look good.

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What are the Men In Black?

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People have been reporting
their own Men In Black experiences

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and eyewitness accounts

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since the beginning
of the UFO cover-up history.

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The burning question
in most people's minds

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surrounding the infamous
MIB accounts is,

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what are the Men In Black?

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Well, the Men In Black
is a concept

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that's been in the UFO field

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since, really, the beginning
of the UFO field essentially.

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Um, and there is
a weird thing about it

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because there's always been
two different components

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to this phenomenon.

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Um, there are cases
where a UFO witness

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or someone who
has some connection

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to the UFO phenomenon,

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uh, is then accosted

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by, usually, two individuals,

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often in pairs,
sometimes singular,

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sometimes even more than two,
but often, two.

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And there are times when, uh,

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very, like, ordinary,

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like human-looking
intelligence types

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approach someone

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and either warn them
off of their investigation,

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or will actually make it
very clear to them

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that they're dealing
with a UFO phenomenon.

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But in all cases,
the idea is to scare off

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or intimidate the witness
so that they don't pursue

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whatever it is that
they're looking into.

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Historical accounts
of the Men In Black

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recall the overwhelming
sensation of fear

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experienced by those
who have had prior encounters

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with UFOs or something
out of the extraordinary.

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This fear
is a tool used to suppress

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an incredible UFO event
from the public.

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What are their true goals?

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Are they outdated military
relics from the past?

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Or are they covertly
influencing today's society

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through misinformation,
fake news?

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The earliest recorded encounter
with a man in black

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was in 1947.

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Harold Dahl, a conservationist,

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was near the shore
of Maury Island in Washington.

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Dahl's job was to retrieve
serviceable lumber,

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that was often just floating around
in the water back in those days.

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And he would bring it back,

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and that would be
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that's their business model.

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And so Dahl is out on a boat,
uh, for this purpose

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with his teenage son
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And he sees six discs...

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...in the air. We're talking,
this is June, 1947.

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This is actually, uh,
right before,

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a couple of days before Kenneth
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over by Mount Rainier
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So, uh, just a few days
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Dahl is out in his boat
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and he sees
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one of them's in trouble.

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And it's, uh, wobbling
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It seems to be losing
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And the other discs
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according to his description,

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and this disc that's in trouble
releases material

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that, uh, almost looked like
some kind of slag, that is, uh,

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like a rocky type of, uh,
material that comes out.

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And according
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some of this material
hit his son,

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injuring his son's arm

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and supposedly
killed his dog.

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And then after the object lost
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it regained its stability

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and all of these objects
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So Dahl, uh, spoke to his
supervisor, Fred Crisman.

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Here's where the Men In Black
scenario comes in

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with Harold Dahl.

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The next day...

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What it comes down to is,
he's at... There's a diner.

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There was a diner in that area where
he's having breakfast the next day,

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and he has a conversation with this
mysterious man he's never met before.

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Dahl initially expected
this man was a lumber dealer,

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and he was expecting just to do

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a standard business
arrangement with this guy.

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He deals... He dealt
with strangers all the time

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who were interested in lumber.

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It turns out this man
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This man then relates
every single thing

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that had happened
to Dahl the previous day.

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And he knew all about it,

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uh, to Dahl's shock.

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I mean, that would be a shocking
thing for anyone to experience.

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And this mysterious man
essentially said, Look,

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you're just going to
leave this alone

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and you're not going to pursue
this in any way whatsoever,

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if you know
what's good for you.

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And so, uh, that's an intimidating
experience for so many reasons.

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You can imagine,
poor Harold Dahl thinking...

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This is 1947.

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You're in America in 1947,

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you're not under the assumption

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that you're living
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And so, imagine the shock
he had to have felt

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thinking, Wait, what?
How do you know

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about anything that
happened to me yesterday?

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So, there's that level

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and then there's the implied
threat from this man,

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which just added to it.

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Dahl did not have
in his possession,

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uh, the slag at the time.

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There was an enormous
amount of this stuff.

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So, like, we're talking

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much more than any one person
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Um, the bulk of this ended up
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of Fred Crisman, Dahl's boss.

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And eventually,
the United States Air Force

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sends two men

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to investigate and retrieve
whatever this material is.

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And they actually
do get to do this.

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And they load all of this slag
material onto an Air Force transport...

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Actually, this is Army
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This is just before
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has become a independent,
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separate from the Army.

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So they come up from
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to acquire this material,
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and on their way back
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their plane catches fire
and goes down and they die.

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That's what happened.

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and after that I...

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I don't know what happened
to the slag material

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or whatever this was,

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but their plane crashed.

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What is the true mission
of the Men In Black?

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Is it the suppression
of information

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regarding UFOs
and extraterrestrials?

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Or is it to aid them
and further their agenda?

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So, relating to the story of
a man named Albert Bender

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who also had
a very interesting experience,

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which actually coined
the phrase "Men In Black."

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Bender was one of the earliest,

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uh, organizers of, kind of,
civilian UFO groups.

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There was the International
Flying Saucer Bureau.

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Uh, it was a publication
that was quite successful

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by 1952 standards.

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You know, printing
out the publication,

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mailing it out and getting
subscriptions that way,

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it's not easy. It wasn't
easy to do back then.

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Albert K. Bender founded the
International Flying Saucer Bureau

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in 1952,
during the big UFO flap.

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Now, this was a phenomena
that he had been studying

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and following for years

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and decided that
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one centralized location

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to put all of this information
that had been gathered.

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But he was doing
a pretty good job.

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Now, 1952 was a very big year
for UFOs in the United States.

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A very, very big year.

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Um, you know,
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which was doing investigations
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that was by far
the biggest year they had.

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Yeah, you could say that
Project Blue Book was, uh...

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You could say the first AATIP.

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You know, the Advanced Aerial
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that we've learned about
since then.

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But in Blue Book they, um,

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had over 1,500 UFO reports
for that year, which...

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This is all pre-Internet.

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To get that many reports that
people send in is... It's a lot.

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A lot of those were very
intense military encounters.

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Very well documented.

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Uh, this is the year that
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flying saucers were seen over the
Capitol in Washington, DC that summer.

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It was the summer in which
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held an enormous
press conference all about this.

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It was the year in which,
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Wright-Patterson
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Project Blue Book Office,

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according to Edward Ruppelt
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he said,
If you were to come in here,

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you would have thought
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It was that intense.

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Uh, there were a lot of people
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who actually believed that the
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That's how big it was.

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So in the midst of all that, you
have a young guy like Bender

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who is investigating this
on his own, and he's,

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you know, getting contributions
from other writers,

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and he's got
a decent publication going.

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It's quite successful.

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Now, this blew up and went
international immediately.

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Within that first year,
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in the UK and also Australia.

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this is long before
the Internet,

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cell phones
and our current technology.

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He was doing all of this
through snail mail

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and, if he could afford it,
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back when you had to pay
long-distance charges.

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So, on a very limited budget,

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he was able to make
this very large organization

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that was compiling
all of this information

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on UFO activity at the time

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and also producing a newsletter

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that would get
mailed out as well.

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And then, seemingly
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he just shuts the whole
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And no one hears
from Albert Bender.

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He just makes
this quick announcement,

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I'm done. We're not doing
this anymore. See you.

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Nobody really knew
what truly happened.

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Gray Barker, a writer
and publisher at that time,

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also involved in
the UFO community,

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tried to get
some details out of him

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and published a few, uh,
scant details

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during the mid-1950s

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but never really
got a clear answer.

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But then, in the early 1960s,
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Gray Barker published a book
by Albert K. Bender called

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Flying Saucers
and the Three Men

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where Albert K. Bender
told his story

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about what had
really happened to him.

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And, um, nine years after that,

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in 1962, Bender wrote a book

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called Flying Saucers
and the Three Men

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and he gives a... The story
about why this all...

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Why did he shut it down
in 1953, and...

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Uh, here's where we get
into a definite

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paranormal description
of the Men In Black.

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Now what Bender claimed
is that he started being visited

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by three strange men.

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He would go into his bedroom
at night and all of a sudden,

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three shadowy figures would
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Now these figures
were very dark in nature.

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They were wearing hats,
almost like a fedora style,

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and they had glowing eyes.

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Now, when I first
heard this story,

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coming from a paranormal
background like I do,

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I immediately thought of
shadow people,

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the hat-wearing shadow entities
that many people talk

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about observing
and having interactions with.

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Now, Albert K. Bender believed that
these were actually extraterrestrials.

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That they had come
to warn him off

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of all the work
that he was doing

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and these guys are the reason
why he disbanded

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the International
Flying Saucer Bureau.

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Now, other people
hear this story

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and they believe
this is a Men In Black story.

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That it was the Men In Black
that had arrived

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and warned him off of all
of his flying saucer research.

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Now, with Bender,
what he believed that

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these entities were,
that they were ETs,

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they were extraterrestrials
from some other world

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that had come to our planet

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to harvest resources
down in Antarctica,

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where they were harvesting
these resources out of the water.

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They were here on
a 15-year mission to do so.

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And Albert Bender
could not say anything

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about the true nature
of what he had observed,

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who he was interacting with
and why he had disbanded

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the International
Flying Saucer Bureau

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until these ETs had left Earth.

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Which is why, several
years later, in the 1960s,

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he came forth with his story

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and published the book
through Gray Barker.

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He noted that they had red eyes.

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So any time
you're going to see a being

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that can mysteriously
enter your room

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and they've got red eyes,

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I think the implication
is going to be

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that these aren't quite
from our neighborhood.

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They're from somewhere else.

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So, Bender...

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You know, it's tough enough
for people to accept

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this ordinary paranormal
element of the story,

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and that's difficult enough.

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Then he added
that they gave him...

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Well, they gave the reason

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why he couldn't
investigate this,

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and they, according to Bender,
they said,

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Well, we're mining
under in Antarctica.

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And this is very important
and we don't want you

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to disturb this
and cause us any trouble.

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And they gave him, according to
Bender, they gave him a medallion.

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And stated,

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When this medallion disappears,
that will mean that we're gone.

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And then you can talk about us.

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You cannot talk about us
until then.

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And according to that reasoning,

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the medallion, uh, disappeared,
I guess, in the early 1960s,

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prompting Bender
to write his book,

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which was published in 1962.

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And, you know, I mean,

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it's not difficult
to understand

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why people would have a
very hard time to believe that.

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Uh, where's the evidence?

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Oh, well,
the evidence disappeared.

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No medallion.

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Antarctica, like,
especially in 1950s in...

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You know, there
would be no reason

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anyone would possibly think
that there was work going on

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in Antarctica, the most remote,
desolate part of the planet.

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Uh, pretty fantastic.

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Nowadays, uh,
there's all kinds of talks

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and rumors about Antarctica

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in the UFO field.
It never stops.

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Fully illuminated, round object was
hovering silently over the missile silo

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and shining a light
down onto it.

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And then from this dead stop,
it shoots off to the east,

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uh, just like, now you see it
now you don't.

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This planet is being visited
by beings from another world.

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In 1964, Dr. Robert
Jacobs was in charge

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of the optical instrumentation
of ballistic missile testing.

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There, he recorded
footage of an ICBM

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and was surprised
to find the extraordinary.

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Here he recalls the events
in detail.

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And flying downrange, we've got
all three stages of powered flight,

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and as the, uh, dummy warhead
and the package flew on downrange,

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we were all celebrating the
fact that we had, uh, seen a thing

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and accomplished
the mission.

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So, another interesting story concerned
a man named Dr. Robert Jacobs,

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who was a highly qualified,
uh, scientific professional

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who in 1964,
he was very much involved

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in film recording

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of missile launches,

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uh, out of White Sands
Proving Ground

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in New Mexico,

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where, uh, ballistic missiles
were being tested.

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And what they would do is

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they would launch
these missiles

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and then record them.

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...and flying downrange,

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we got all three stages
of powered flight

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and as the dummy warhead

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and the package
flew on downrange,

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we were all celebrating the
fact that we had seen a thing

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and accomplished the mission.

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When I got back to the base
with the film the next day,

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I was called into the office
of Major Florence J. Mansmann,

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and there were three people
in gray suits standing in there.

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There was a 16 millimeter
camera and a screen set up.

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Major Mansmann said,
Lieutenant, sit down and watch this.

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And he suddenly said,
Just watch this.

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And as I watched,

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the warhead, the dummy warhead,

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the shaft that was put out
in front of it as the decoy

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to deflect the Russian
anti-missile missile tracking radar.

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And during one of these tests,

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the missile just went
completely haywire

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and didn't perform as expected,
it crashed.

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And on review of the film
the next day,

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what Jacobs and his supervisor
who was a major,

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noticed that there
was an object, a UFO.

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Everything was flying along
and suddenly,

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in the same direction
this stuff was flying

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at about 8,000 miles an hour.

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The object came into the frame,

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shot a beam of light
at the warhead,

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flew up to the top,

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shot another beam of light
at the warhead,

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flew around at the direction
it was flying,

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shot another beam of light
at the warhead,

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00:20:03,810 --> 00:20:06,550
flew down, shot another beam
of light at the warhead,

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and flew out the same way
it came in.

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Well, I don't see why
didn't you see this

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when you were shooting it?

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00:20:13,450 --> 00:20:16,590
Well, it was, uh, 600 to
800 miles away from us.

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Like a saucer
type of an object

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that was clearly interacting
with this missile.

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00:20:23,110 --> 00:20:26,250
And it was when this object
appeared, the missile went...

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And I think it shot some,
like a laser or a beam.

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00:20:30,020 --> 00:20:33,120
I think it was
a very well defined

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laser type of a beam that
was directed at this missile.

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And at that moment,
the missile went off course

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and just crashed.

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Well, first of all
Major Mansmann said to me,

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What was that? Were you guys
screwing around up there?

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-I said, No, sir,

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00:20:48,410 --> 00:20:50,160
Then he said, Then tell me
what that was?

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I said, We got a UFO.

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00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:54,240
After choosing
to discuss the event,

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00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:57,040
Dr. Jacobs reports
disruptions in his daily life.

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People calling at all times
of the day and night

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threatening his life,

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00:21:01,290 --> 00:21:04,120
which has escalated
into property damage.

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00:21:04,150 --> 00:21:06,430
Intimidation is
one of many techniques

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00:21:06,470 --> 00:21:08,190
used to instill fear.

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00:21:09,370 --> 00:21:10,610
And he said, Lieutenant,

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00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:13,610
you are never
to speak of this again.

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00:21:13,650 --> 00:21:16,510
As far as you're concerned,
this didn't happen.

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00:21:16,550 --> 00:21:20,140
Eventually, Major Mansmann
confirmed Dr. Jacobs' claims

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00:21:20,170 --> 00:21:23,350
of a UFO interacting
with the ICBM.

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00:21:23,380 --> 00:21:26,000
The major also disclosed
that two agents

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00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:27,900
who were not the CIA

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took the footage
and altered it.

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00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:32,530
All film evidence
of the UFO

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00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:35,530
and its interactions
with the missile were missing.

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00:21:35,570 --> 00:21:38,570
The Major reported
that one agent said to him,

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00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:40,470
That leaves you off the hook,

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00:21:40,500 --> 00:21:43,230
but not off disclosure,
understood?

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00:21:43,260 --> 00:21:45,200
Somehow the Major
had said to Jacobs

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that these men told him,

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they'd erased the flying saucer
from this film.

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00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,850
And they said, You're off the
hook, but you're not off of disclosure.

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00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:55,960
In other words,

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00:21:55,990 --> 00:21:58,960
you're not in trouble now
because we've cleaned the film up,

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but don't you talk about it.

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00:22:01,110 --> 00:22:04,530
That's 1964 and, uh, Jacobs,

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00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:07,460
then you fast-forward

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00:22:07,490 --> 00:22:09,560
to the disclosure project
with Dr. Steven Greer.

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00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:12,600
We're talking late 1990s now,
when Jacobs

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00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:16,470
did an interview with Greer
and talked about this event.

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00:22:16,500 --> 00:22:18,370
And that was published
in Greer's book,

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00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:20,060
I think the following year,
in 2000.

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And what Jacobs said
in the aftermath of that

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was that he was subject
to a range of harassment

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00:22:28,380 --> 00:22:30,100
type of activities.

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00:22:30,140 --> 00:22:31,760
Some of these things
would include, uh,

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threatening phone calls
at all times of the day

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and, uh, even to vandalism
against his property,

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00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:40,660
property damage

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00:22:40,700 --> 00:22:42,390
and, uh, acts of intimidation
of this sort.

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00:22:43,460 --> 00:22:45,320
Which, yeah, that's going
to intimidate people.

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00:22:45,360 --> 00:22:48,400
So, the whole point of,
of this type of activity

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00:22:48,430 --> 00:22:52,230
obviously, would be
to frighten you, the witness,

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00:22:52,810 --> 00:22:53,900
enough to realize,

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00:22:54,030 --> 00:22:55,340
You'd better not
talk about this

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00:22:55,470 --> 00:22:57,300
because you're dealing
with people

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00:22:57,340 --> 00:22:59,300
who will do damage to you.

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00:22:59,340 --> 00:23:02,480
And if they can
wiretap your phone,

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00:23:02,510 --> 00:23:05,410
or if they can threaten you
at any time of the day,

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00:23:05,450 --> 00:23:08,040
um, who knows what
they're capable of doing?

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00:23:21,740 --> 00:23:27,570
Now, there have been some visits
by these types of individuals

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00:23:27,610 --> 00:23:31,370
in which the witness doesn't
believe that they're fully human.

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00:23:31,410 --> 00:23:36,440
There's an odd component
to some of these encounters,

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00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:40,900
and in fact, when you really go
through some of those descriptions,

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00:23:40,930 --> 00:23:43,800
it's easy to see why people
would conclude that.

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00:23:43,830 --> 00:23:46,940
Uh, some of those individuals
are described

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00:23:46,970 --> 00:23:49,660
physically as having
very pasty skin

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00:23:49,700 --> 00:23:52,080
or very unusual
physical features

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00:23:52,120 --> 00:23:55,220
like, very thin,
clothes don't fit them properly.

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00:23:55,260 --> 00:23:57,530
Uh, odd behavioral
characteristics.

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00:23:58,160 --> 00:23:59,470
In some cases,

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00:23:59,500 --> 00:24:03,160
the witness will say that
they almost seem to lose power,

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00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,160
uh, or energy in the middle
of the interview

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00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:06,510
and then they just leave

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00:24:06,540 --> 00:24:09,680
as if they're like robots
running out of battery power,

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00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:11,000
you know, something like that.

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00:24:11,030 --> 00:24:14,760
So you get these two
disparate types

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00:24:14,790 --> 00:24:17,140
of Men In Black stories,

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00:24:17,170 --> 00:24:19,250
and that's always
been the tension

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00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:21,660
that you get with
the Men In Black phenomenon.

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00:24:22,490 --> 00:24:25,110
Are we dealing with, you know,

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00:24:25,150 --> 00:24:26,870
people working through the CIA

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00:24:26,910 --> 00:24:29,660
or Air Force Office of Special
Investigation or something like that?

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00:24:30,390 --> 00:24:32,780
Uh, or are you dealing with,

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00:24:32,810 --> 00:24:34,230
I mean, really,
the implication is,

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00:24:34,260 --> 00:24:37,330
are you dealing with non-humans
posing as human beings

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00:24:37,370 --> 00:24:38,850
for their own purposes?

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00:24:38,890 --> 00:24:40,370
And that's always
been the tension.

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00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:42,440
As witnesses
continue to come forward

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00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:43,990
with their experiences,

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00:24:44,030 --> 00:24:45,820
it is believed that
the Men In Black

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00:24:45,860 --> 00:24:49,930
shifted their approach to publicly
debunking those claims through proxy.

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00:24:49,970 --> 00:24:51,830
Credible reports of abductions

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00:24:51,860 --> 00:24:54,040
circulated throughout
the UFO community

483
00:24:54,070 --> 00:24:57,530
and was met with heavy
skepticism by debunkers.

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00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:00,630
He got his start as a debunker
in the mid-1960s

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00:25:00,670 --> 00:25:03,390
with the idea of ball lightning
to explain away

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00:25:03,430 --> 00:25:06,220
one particular interesting
UFO event.

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00:25:06,260 --> 00:25:08,710
Uh, through the '60s
made it his personal vendetta

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00:25:08,740 --> 00:25:10,470
to destroy the career
of James McDonald,

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00:25:10,500 --> 00:25:11,540
the atmospheric physicist,

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00:25:11,570 --> 00:25:14,470
who was a very, very strong
UFO proponent.

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00:25:14,510 --> 00:25:17,720
And then, by the 1970s Klass
really was hitting the big time

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00:25:17,750 --> 00:25:19,340
in terms of media attention

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00:25:19,370 --> 00:25:22,620
and in terms of his prominence
as a UFO skeptic.

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00:25:22,650 --> 00:25:23,930
Certainly, by the 1970s,

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00:25:23,970 --> 00:25:26,760
Philip Klass had become
the number one

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00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:29,490
active UFO skeptic by far.

497
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:31,420
Credible reports of abductions

498
00:25:31,460 --> 00:25:33,490
circulated throughout
the UFO community

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00:25:33,530 --> 00:25:36,810
and was met with heavy
skepticism by debunkers.

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00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,330
Are you a debunker
of all UFO stories?

501
00:25:39,360 --> 00:25:43,360
-Is that your purpose?
-Well, I look for explanations.

502
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:45,990
Now, you know, you can look at

503
00:25:46,020 --> 00:25:48,130
probably the most
prominent skeptic

504
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:50,200
of UFOs during the 19...

505
00:25:50,230 --> 00:25:52,030
Starting from the mid-'60s,

506
00:25:52,060 --> 00:25:54,650
right through the rest
of the 20th century,

507
00:25:54,690 --> 00:25:56,760
was a man named
Philip J. Klass.

508
00:25:56,790 --> 00:25:58,930
Yeah. Now Klass

509
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,380
wasn't a true Man In Black,

510
00:26:02,420 --> 00:26:05,210
uh, the way that previous
Men In Black were described,

511
00:26:05,250 --> 00:26:07,560
you know, coming in your house
and threatening you.

512
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:09,490
Klass worked in a different way.

513
00:26:09,530 --> 00:26:13,600
Uh, he engaged in countless
smear campaigns through the media

514
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:17,570
to discredit individuals associated
with UFOs, most famously

515
00:26:17,610 --> 00:26:20,230
the atmospheric physicist
James McDonald,

516
00:26:20,260 --> 00:26:22,960
who is really a hero
in the UFO field,

517
00:26:22,990 --> 00:26:24,510
and rightly so.

518
00:26:24,540 --> 00:26:27,890
Klass went after McDonald's
like a... Like a war.

519
00:26:27,930 --> 00:26:29,690
A personal vendetta.

520
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:33,030
Klass was someone who was
so well positioned

521
00:26:33,070 --> 00:26:34,760
through his contacts
in Washington, D.C.

522
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:35,930
where he lived and worked.

523
00:26:35,970 --> 00:26:39,460
He was a senior editor
for a very prominent

524
00:26:39,590 --> 00:26:41,630
aerospace aviation magazine,

525
00:26:41,660 --> 00:26:43,870
and he was very well connected.

526
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:48,020
Uh, Klass always seemed to have

527
00:26:48,050 --> 00:26:51,020
information on people.

528
00:26:51,050 --> 00:26:54,400
He had this way, and this went
throughout his entire career.

529
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:56,960
But there is no more exciting
story that I could write

530
00:26:56,990 --> 00:26:58,650
or Aviation Week could publish

531
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:00,060
than to say, At last

532
00:27:00,100 --> 00:27:03,820
we've come across
one UFO report

533
00:27:03,860 --> 00:27:06,380
that cannot be explained
in prosaic terms.

534
00:27:06,410 --> 00:27:08,760
Maybe this is
an alien spaceship.

535
00:27:08,790 --> 00:27:10,830
Biggest story of all time.

536
00:27:10,870 --> 00:27:13,660
Yet in more than
22 years as a hobby

537
00:27:13,700 --> 00:27:18,320
of investigating famous
mysterious UFO cases, reports,

538
00:27:18,360 --> 00:27:22,290
I have never found one
that cannot be explained

539
00:27:22,330 --> 00:27:23,880
in prosaic earthly terms.

540
00:27:23,910 --> 00:27:26,160
He once tried to bribe

541
00:27:26,190 --> 00:27:29,230
one of Travis Walton's,
uh, coworkers.

542
00:27:29,260 --> 00:27:34,230
You know, Travis Walton had the
very famous UFO encounter in 1975

543
00:27:34,270 --> 00:27:36,720
where he was missing
for five days.

544
00:27:36,750 --> 00:27:39,550
Klass actually tried to bribe

545
00:27:39,580 --> 00:27:42,860
uh, one of Walton's cohorts

546
00:27:42,900 --> 00:27:44,380
to deny the whole thing
ever happened.

547
00:27:44,420 --> 00:27:45,690
He offered him $10,000.

548
00:27:46,630 --> 00:27:48,870
This is how Klass
worked constantly.

549
00:27:48,900 --> 00:27:50,350
You know,
it's like Philip Klass

550
00:27:50,390 --> 00:27:52,220
offered me $10,000.

551
00:27:52,250 --> 00:27:55,320
That was a lot of money
back in the '70s.

552
00:27:55,360 --> 00:27:58,500
And there's always been
very, very strong suspicion.

553
00:27:58,530 --> 00:28:00,360
No proof that I'm aware of,

554
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,120
but very strong
circumstantial evidence

555
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:03,540
that Klass
was some kind of asset

556
00:28:03,570 --> 00:28:05,580
to the US intelligence community

557
00:28:05,610 --> 00:28:08,130
doing work for them to
discredit him on the subject.

558
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:10,990
He definitely was promoted
by Edward Condon

559
00:28:11,030 --> 00:28:15,480
of the famous Condon Committee
from the late 1960s

560
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:21,110
that, um, infamously try
to debunk UFOs scientifically.

561
00:28:21,140 --> 00:28:24,770
Our latest book,
Stanton Friedman and I

562
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:28,180
have written Fact, Fiction,
and Flying Saucers.

563
00:28:28,220 --> 00:28:31,430
It's based upon years
of archival research.

564
00:28:31,460 --> 00:28:33,050
He went to Harvard,

565
00:28:33,090 --> 00:28:35,990
read Donald Menzel's
archival files.

566
00:28:36,020 --> 00:28:38,820
I went to the
American Philosophical Society.

567
00:28:38,850 --> 00:28:41,020
I made several trips there,

568
00:28:41,060 --> 00:28:44,720
and what I found
in the correspondence files

569
00:28:44,750 --> 00:28:48,480
was a plan to debunk
those individuals

570
00:28:48,510 --> 00:28:51,660
who had very compelling cases

571
00:28:51,690 --> 00:28:58,110
and also to attempt to reduce
the credibility of scientists

572
00:28:58,150 --> 00:29:02,220
who had an interest
in investigating UFOs

573
00:29:02,250 --> 00:29:04,910
and who were speaking publicly
about that.

574
00:29:04,950 --> 00:29:09,880
I have a letter that Dr. Edward
Condon wrote to McGraw Hill.

575
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,610
And in that letter,
Edward Condon stated,

576
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:16,090
If you need anyone
in the media

577
00:29:16,130 --> 00:29:19,300
to make public statements
about UFOs,

578
00:29:19,340 --> 00:29:23,380
I would advise you
to use Philip Klass.

579
00:29:23,410 --> 00:29:29,450
Condon certainly worked hard
to try to promote Philip Klass

580
00:29:29,490 --> 00:29:33,390
as much as possible, as
someone who would be relied upon

581
00:29:33,420 --> 00:29:36,010
to give the proper perspective
on UFOs.

582
00:29:36,050 --> 00:29:38,880
That is the skeptical,
debunking attitude on UFOs,

583
00:29:38,910 --> 00:29:40,080
uh, through the media.

584
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,290
Klass is someone who was
able to get New York Times,

585
00:29:42,330 --> 00:29:44,810
op-ed pieces and articles
like no problem.

586
00:29:44,850 --> 00:29:47,570
He was on CNN all the time,
Larry King.

587
00:29:47,610 --> 00:29:51,790
He was always able
to get access to major media

588
00:29:51,820 --> 00:29:53,990
in a way that normal
UFO researchers

589
00:29:54,030 --> 00:29:56,410
would have just,
you know, given up an arm

590
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:57,590
to be able to have,

591
00:29:57,720 --> 00:29:59,790
but Klass just had
this magical ability

592
00:29:59,830 --> 00:30:01,860
to connect with all major media.

593
00:30:01,900 --> 00:30:04,040
And you could certainly say

594
00:30:04,070 --> 00:30:09,080
that Klass is a new version
of the Man In Black,

595
00:30:09,110 --> 00:30:11,530
not in any way
like the mysterious,

596
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,010
intimidating figures
coming to your house.

597
00:30:14,050 --> 00:30:16,570
He would just smear you
and try to destroy your career.

598
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,680
What was was recovered
was a radar target.

599
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:21,700
-Balloon-borne.
-No, no, no, no.

600
00:30:21,750 --> 00:30:23,750
That is, that is the cover story
that was put out.

601
00:30:23,780 --> 00:30:26,510
We know it was a cover story
based on the testimony of the people

602
00:30:26,540 --> 00:30:27,790
who put out the cover story.

603
00:30:30,270 --> 00:30:31,550
Whatever happened at Westall,

604
00:30:31,580 --> 00:30:34,340
whatever the objects were,
they were being tracked.

605
00:30:34,380 --> 00:30:36,590
They'd being tracked from
where they were coming from.

606
00:30:36,620 --> 00:30:38,970
They'd been tracked over
previous days,

607
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:43,250
and there was some sense
of there being, um,

608
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:45,700
a surveillance going on
of these objects.

609
00:30:45,740 --> 00:30:50,220
And that's why the response
could be as fast as it was

610
00:30:50,260 --> 00:30:53,330
to the... To Westall.

611
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:57,510
That's why the military could get
there as quickly as they did that day,

612
00:30:57,540 --> 00:31:01,100
because there were some,
if you like, forewarning

613
00:31:01,130 --> 00:31:03,930
that perhaps these objects had
been seen elsewhere in Australia

614
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:05,930
in the preceding days.

615
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:10,450
Certainly we have the famous
photograph of a UFO

616
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,520
taken in a suburb of Balwyn

617
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,420
about 20 kilometers
from Westall

618
00:31:16,460 --> 00:31:19,980
just four days before
the Westall incident.

619
00:31:20,010 --> 00:31:24,950
And that photograph was leaked
to a Melbourne newspaper,

620
00:31:24,980 --> 00:31:26,950
The Herald, and published

621
00:31:26,980 --> 00:31:29,640
and caused a huge furor
at the time,

622
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:33,540
so much so that the person
who took the photograph itself,

623
00:31:33,580 --> 00:31:35,880
even though he didn't want it
published in the newspaper,

624
00:31:35,910 --> 00:31:37,500
he gave it to a friend
who leaked it.

625
00:31:38,100 --> 00:31:40,240
He never wanted it
made public,

626
00:31:40,270 --> 00:31:41,620
but it was

627
00:31:41,650 --> 00:31:44,070
and it then resulted in

628
00:31:44,100 --> 00:31:47,380
the Air Force visiting him
at his home.

629
00:31:47,420 --> 00:31:49,940
An interview was held with him.

630
00:31:49,970 --> 00:31:53,290
And he claims to this day
that he thinks the Air Force

631
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:57,770
was so concerned about that
photograph going into the newspaper

632
00:31:57,810 --> 00:32:00,670
was because it showed the object

633
00:32:00,710 --> 00:32:03,680
that was seen at Westall
four days later,

634
00:32:03,710 --> 00:32:07,060
or there was some connection
with whatever that object was

635
00:32:07,090 --> 00:32:09,650
that he caught in his
polaroid photograph

636
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:11,790
and with what happened
at Westall.

637
00:32:13,310 --> 00:32:14,960
So that's an ongoing mystery.

638
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,520
How could it be that an object,

639
00:32:17,550 --> 00:32:19,210
an object of unknown origin,

640
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,110
an object that flew in ways

641
00:32:21,140 --> 00:32:25,040
that were completely inexplicable
to anybody who witnessed it,

642
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,600
how there could be
such a rapid response

643
00:32:27,630 --> 00:32:31,250
by the military, whether it
was the Army or the Air Force.

644
00:32:31,290 --> 00:32:34,500
There's another very
interesting case in Australia

645
00:32:34,530 --> 00:32:35,910
outside of the city
of Melbourne,

646
00:32:35,950 --> 00:32:38,260
in the south part of Australian
in a town called Westall.

647
00:32:38,990 --> 00:32:40,710
And this is 1966.

648
00:32:40,750 --> 00:32:43,160
This is a really incredible
UFO incident.

649
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:48,030
I had the privilege of visiting
Westall myself some years ago

650
00:32:48,060 --> 00:32:51,550
and going to the school yard
where all of this happened

651
00:32:51,590 --> 00:32:56,140
and the story was,
you have, uh,

652
00:32:56,180 --> 00:32:58,450
all the kids run out
of the school

653
00:32:58,490 --> 00:33:05,290
because someone saw this UFO
coming over the property there.

654
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:08,530
So you got 200 kids
of all ages and teachers.

655
00:33:08,570 --> 00:33:12,710
There were adults and youths
that were watching this.

656
00:33:12,740 --> 00:33:16,370
The object,
by all of the witness accounts,

657
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,850
either landed or almost landed

658
00:33:19,890 --> 00:33:22,890
on the property,
like, very, very low.

659
00:33:23,510 --> 00:33:26,650
In fact, one girl,

660
00:33:26,690 --> 00:33:31,420
she was like in junior high school
age, think she was like 12 or 13.

661
00:33:31,450 --> 00:33:34,870
She got the closest to it,
and according to the witnesses,

662
00:33:34,900 --> 00:33:36,770
like she was not
ever seen again.

663
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,120
She moved far away after this.

664
00:33:39,940 --> 00:33:41,390
That's an odd thing.

665
00:33:41,430 --> 00:33:44,360
But what we know for certain,

666
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,640
there was a science teacher
named Daniel

667
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:52,160
who stated that these, look
like Australian Air Force,

668
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,060
came to his house,

669
00:33:54,100 --> 00:33:56,060
and they're two of them,

670
00:33:56,100 --> 00:34:00,140
and they absolutely
threatened his career

671
00:34:00,170 --> 00:34:02,480
and possibly his freedom

672
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,620
if he was to continue
talking about this event.

673
00:34:05,660 --> 00:34:08,520
They made it clear
in no uncertain terms.

674
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:10,080
You're not going to talk
about this

675
00:34:10,110 --> 00:34:11,840
or you'll have some
serious repercussions.

676
00:34:11,870 --> 00:34:14,630
I remember,
the military arrived,

677
00:34:14,670 --> 00:34:16,530
the emergency services arrived.

678
00:34:16,570 --> 00:34:19,810
There was a response by police,
the fire brigade

679
00:34:19,850 --> 00:34:22,880
by the Civil Defence
Organization.

680
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,640
There was a response
by the Commonwealth Police.

681
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:30,410
There is a report from a witness
who was a news stringer at the time

682
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:34,310
that a cordon was thrown up
around the streets of Westall,

683
00:34:34,340 --> 00:34:39,210
by, uh, police officers
in uniforms

684
00:34:39,240 --> 00:34:41,250
that were a little
unknown to him

685
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:43,840
using vehicles that were
a little unknown to him,

686
00:34:43,870 --> 00:34:47,800
but they looked like police
officers and police vehicles.

687
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,810
And when he returned to
the TV station later that day,

688
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:54,430
he was informed that, yes, they
were Commonwealth police officers,

689
00:34:54,470 --> 00:34:56,570
not Victorian state
police officers,

690
00:34:56,610 --> 00:34:59,090
the Commonwealth
police officers.

691
00:34:59,130 --> 00:35:02,790
So it looked like there was some
involvement at that level as well.

692
00:35:19,730 --> 00:35:22,870
Japan Airlines Flight 1628

693
00:35:22,910 --> 00:35:26,120
en route to Tokyo from Paris
when the crew noticed

694
00:35:26,150 --> 00:35:29,880
two UFOs with flowing lights,
which flew next to the plane

695
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,680
in patterns and speeds
which were unachievable

696
00:35:32,710 --> 00:35:34,820
with modern aviation.

697
00:35:34,850 --> 00:35:39,300
Controller had asked the military
man, Do you see anything?

698
00:35:39,340 --> 00:35:41,650
The military guy says,
Yes, I have a target

699
00:35:41,690 --> 00:35:44,170
at such and such.
One o'clock and eight miles

700
00:35:44,210 --> 00:35:47,490
from the Japanese pilot, 747.

701
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:51,010
The military man
said something like, uh,

702
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:56,250
Yeah, I see him 35 miles
north of, uh, Anchorage,

703
00:35:56,290 --> 00:36:01,460
and who's that at eleven or
one o'clock in his position?

704
00:36:01,500 --> 00:36:05,400
The FAA controller said, uh, I don't
have anybody. You have anybody?

705
00:36:05,430 --> 00:36:09,780
He said, It's not mine. And he came
back and said, We have no traffic here.

706
00:36:09,820 --> 00:36:12,410
And a couple of times
during the operation,

707
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:14,170
the Japanese pilot would say

708
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:17,450
He's now at eleven o'clock, he's now
at one o'clock, he's now at three o'clock,

709
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:19,530
and he's bouncing around
just right here, and...

710
00:36:19,570 --> 00:36:22,160
Well, he would say that the
military guy would cut in and say,

711
00:36:22,190 --> 00:36:25,420
He's now at two o'clock, three o'clock,
and he would confirm the position.

712
00:36:25,450 --> 00:36:29,870
The military controller has
what they call height finding radar

713
00:36:29,910 --> 00:36:32,530
and they have long-range radar
and short-range radar.

714
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:36,530
So, if they don't catch it on one of
their systems, they catch it on the other.

715
00:36:36,570 --> 00:36:39,190
And if you listen
to the military man

716
00:36:39,230 --> 00:36:44,510
at one time, he said, I have it on
the height radar or my range radar,

717
00:36:44,540 --> 00:36:45,720
whatever he called it,

718
00:36:45,750 --> 00:36:48,960
which indicated that he had
a target on his system.

719
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:52,170
Ours wouldn't record it.

720
00:36:52,210 --> 00:36:56,660
While they... They ran through
for the best part of 31 minutes,

721
00:36:56,690 --> 00:36:58,900
the UFO would be
in one position

722
00:36:58,940 --> 00:37:02,870
and the other following
Japanese 747.

723
00:37:02,910 --> 00:37:06,080
After a while, uh,
they changed his altitude.

724
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,320
It still stayed with him.
They gave him a 360.

725
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:10,670
When you're a 747
and you make a 360,

726
00:37:10,710 --> 00:37:12,570
it takes you a few minutes
to turn around.

727
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:14,330
You cover a lot of space.

728
00:37:14,370 --> 00:37:17,560
It still stayed with him. It was either
in the front, or the side or behind him.

729
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:19,680
...210, I approve 1628
to make deviations

730
00:37:19,820 --> 00:37:23,480
as necessary for traffic.
The traffic stayed with 1628

731
00:37:23,510 --> 00:37:27,340
through turns and descents
in the vicinity of Fairbanks.

732
00:37:27,380 --> 00:37:29,030
It's another very interesting...

733
00:37:29,070 --> 00:37:32,180
We can call this a Men In Black
incident in a way.

734
00:37:32,210 --> 00:37:35,460
And by the way,
relating to that encounter,

735
00:37:35,490 --> 00:37:36,940
good old Philip J. Klass,

736
00:37:36,970 --> 00:37:41,390
was able to work his way with his
organization, which is called CSICOP,

737
00:37:41,430 --> 00:37:44,290
the Committee... Scientific
Committee to Investigate Claims

738
00:37:44,330 --> 00:37:45,640
of the Paranormal.

739
00:37:46,540 --> 00:37:48,330
They have a different name now.

740
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:51,440
And they were able to get a
piece in The New York Times.

741
00:37:51,470 --> 00:37:54,060
You know, during all of that, to
debunk the whole thing and say,

742
00:37:54,090 --> 00:37:55,720
Well, it's just
the planet Jupiter.

743
00:37:55,850 --> 00:37:58,820
You guys don't know what you're
seeing. You made a big mistake.

744
00:37:58,860 --> 00:38:02,340
But in 1986, we have
an interesting occurrence.

745
00:38:02,380 --> 00:38:04,590
On November 17th of that year,
there was a flight called

746
00:38:04,620 --> 00:38:07,800
JAL, Japan Airlines,
Flight 1628

747
00:38:07,830 --> 00:38:11,460
from Tokyo, and they were
going over the...

748
00:38:11,490 --> 00:38:14,630
Over like in the Arctic Circle
area, actually, flying down

749
00:38:14,670 --> 00:38:16,390
over the state of Alaska,

750
00:38:16,430 --> 00:38:20,090
when this entire 29-minute
recorded incident occurred

751
00:38:21,020 --> 00:38:26,230
in which this airliner
was accosted

752
00:38:26,260 --> 00:38:31,720
by an enormous,
absolutely enormous object.

753
00:38:31,750 --> 00:38:34,930
That, uh, there's drawings
of it by the pilot,

754
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:38,070
whose name was,
uh, Kenju Terauchi.

755
00:38:38,100 --> 00:38:42,660
And uh, it's almost like this
massive, like the planet Saturn

756
00:38:42,690 --> 00:38:45,940
it's like this big, big,
roundish object.

757
00:38:45,970 --> 00:38:49,080
They're watching and they're
scared out of their mind,

758
00:38:49,110 --> 00:38:51,570
and they've got it
on their airborne radar.

759
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:55,120
It's... Ground radar
also is tracking this thing.

760
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:59,060
And, uh, as I recall, at least
one other airliner in the area,

761
00:38:59,090 --> 00:39:01,060
saw this thing visually.

762
00:39:01,090 --> 00:39:04,060
There is lots
of data points here.

763
00:39:04,100 --> 00:39:08,270
What's interesting about this case
is that they're flying side by side,

764
00:39:08,310 --> 00:39:11,310
this gigantic object, and it
releases a smaller object.

765
00:39:11,340 --> 00:39:12,860
Or at least I think
it must release it

766
00:39:12,900 --> 00:39:16,450
because the smaller object
gets in front of their cockpit.

767
00:39:16,490 --> 00:39:18,970
And in fact, it's...
It's two of them...

768
00:39:19,970 --> 00:39:21,940
where this...

769
00:39:21,980 --> 00:39:25,500
The cockpit is bathed in this
green light for a while.

770
00:39:25,530 --> 00:39:28,330
But as they're flying,
these objects are pacing them.

771
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:29,910
Like they're in front
of the cockpit.

772
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:32,400
With maneuverability that's...

773
00:39:32,430 --> 00:39:35,850
Like, there's no way
to explain how these objects

774
00:39:35,890 --> 00:39:38,750
could do the things
that they're doing.

775
00:39:38,790 --> 00:39:41,750
Uh, they eventually depart.
You can imagine the fear.

776
00:39:41,790 --> 00:39:44,580
So, Terauchi
is getting permission

777
00:39:44,620 --> 00:39:47,210
to try to move
his aircraft differently

778
00:39:47,240 --> 00:39:49,310
just to get away
from this thing.

779
00:39:49,350 --> 00:39:53,320
And the entire experience
lasted for 29 minutes.

780
00:39:53,350 --> 00:39:55,150
In terms
of the actual observation.

781
00:39:55,630 --> 00:39:57,390
The next day,

782
00:39:57,420 --> 00:40:01,570
I get a call from someone
with the scientific study group

783
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:04,360
or the CIA, I'm not sure
who was it the first time.

784
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:06,190
And they want to know, uh...

785
00:40:06,230 --> 00:40:08,750
They had some questions
about the incident,

786
00:40:09,650 --> 00:40:11,920
and I had said, I don't know
what you're talking about.

787
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,200
You'd probably want to
call the Admiral.

788
00:40:14,230 --> 00:40:16,440
Few minutes later, the
Admiral calls down and says,

789
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:18,030
I set up a...

790
00:40:18,070 --> 00:40:20,890
A briefing tomorrow morning at
nine or ten o'clock, whatever it was.

791
00:40:20,930 --> 00:40:22,010
In the round room,

792
00:40:22,240 --> 00:40:25,520
bring all the stuff you have,
bring everybody up there

793
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:28,010
and give them
whatever they want.

794
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:30,350
So that's interesting enough.
In the aftermath of that,

795
00:40:30,390 --> 00:40:33,530
there was an FAA, Federal
Aviation Administration meeting,

796
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:36,530
where they are discussing this,
they've got all the radar data.

797
00:40:36,570 --> 00:40:38,530
In this meeting,

798
00:40:38,570 --> 00:40:40,740
this is now according to
one of the men who attended,

799
00:40:40,770 --> 00:40:43,130
his name is John Callahan.
He was an FAA,

800
00:40:43,260 --> 00:40:46,440
a senior official with the
Federal Aviation Administration.

801
00:40:47,510 --> 00:40:49,440
And so what happened,
according to Callahan's

802
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:52,130
very vivid, explicit testimony,

803
00:40:53,650 --> 00:40:56,310
was that at one point,
these two men

804
00:40:56,350 --> 00:40:58,620
in dark suits enter the room.

805
00:40:58,660 --> 00:41:00,660
No one knows
where they're from.

806
00:41:00,690 --> 00:41:02,900
Is it assumed that
they're from CIA?

807
00:41:02,940 --> 00:41:06,670
I don't think that's ever made
clear where these guys are from,

808
00:41:06,700 --> 00:41:09,670
but there they come in
and they confiscate

809
00:41:09,700 --> 00:41:12,290
all of the data.

810
00:41:13,050 --> 00:41:15,160
They are warning everyone,

811
00:41:15,190 --> 00:41:19,440
You are never, ever, ever going
to talk about this ever again.

812
00:41:19,470 --> 00:41:20,990
We're taking
all of your evidence.

813
00:41:21,030 --> 00:41:22,850
Callahan kept his copy.

814
00:41:22,890 --> 00:41:24,720
That was the thing.
He didn't give it up.

815
00:41:24,750 --> 00:41:26,820
He didn't let them know,
they didn't ask.

816
00:41:26,860 --> 00:41:29,720
I don't think they asked him
directly for it.

817
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:31,620
And he just kind of
slid below the radar,

818
00:41:31,660 --> 00:41:33,380
as it were in this meeting,

819
00:41:33,420 --> 00:41:36,800
and left with it with his
copy of the radar data.

820
00:41:37,660 --> 00:41:41,670
And it was, uh,
13 years later, I think,

821
00:41:41,700 --> 00:41:43,080
from... In the late '90s,

822
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:45,390
where he is interviewed
by Steven Greer

823
00:41:45,430 --> 00:41:47,710
of the disclosure project
at that time

824
00:41:47,740 --> 00:41:49,500
and told his story.

825
00:41:49,540 --> 00:41:51,640
Uh, and so,
what you've got here

826
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:53,370
is another incident of...

827
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:55,020
Very clear this is...

828
00:41:55,060 --> 00:41:57,060
This is not a paranormal
Men In Black experience

829
00:41:57,100 --> 00:41:59,620
by any means. This is...
These are government guys.

830
00:41:59,650 --> 00:42:03,070
These are spooks who are
confiscating the evidence.

831
00:42:03,100 --> 00:42:04,520
Now, who are they?

832
00:42:04,550 --> 00:42:07,520
Are they CIA? Are they NSA?
Are they something else?

833
00:42:07,550 --> 00:42:11,870
Are they from the Majestic 12,
or whatever, whatever,

834
00:42:11,900 --> 00:42:15,110
you know, comparable organization
it would be to Majestic 12.

835
00:42:15,150 --> 00:42:18,840
Maybe it's called Zodiac. That's a
very possible... That's a big possibility.

836
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:21,840
But they're from a group

837
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:25,780
that their job
was to take that UFO data.

838
00:42:25,810 --> 00:42:27,540
And Callahan is really
worth listening to.

839
00:42:27,570 --> 00:42:30,440
He's a very...
He's a very upfront,

840
00:42:30,470 --> 00:42:32,580
extremely candid,
very articulate,

841
00:42:32,610 --> 00:42:34,410
very smart man.

842
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:36,450
And he's got the credibility

843
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:39,790
and the background
to back up what he said.

844
00:42:39,830 --> 00:42:41,800
That's the thing that
makes him so compelling.

845
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:46,660
When they read the
reports that come through,

846
00:42:46,700 --> 00:42:48,630
the FAA has
to protect themselves.

847
00:42:48,660 --> 00:42:51,150
You can't say,
you saw a target,

848
00:42:51,180 --> 00:42:52,600
even though
this is what he said,

849
00:42:52,630 --> 00:42:55,460
so they made him
change his report

850
00:42:55,500 --> 00:42:56,780
to position symbols,

851
00:42:56,810 --> 00:43:00,120
which makes it sound like
it wasn't really a target.

852
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:03,060
Well, if that's not a target than a
lot of the other position symbols

853
00:43:03,090 --> 00:43:05,230
that we're separating
from our targets either.

854
00:43:05,270 --> 00:43:07,930
When I read that, I thought
that is something fishy here,

855
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,930
that somebody's worried about
something rather than trying to cover up.

856
00:43:12,140 --> 00:43:14,620
Who did the Men
In Black work for?

857
00:43:14,660 --> 00:43:20,560
CIA, the FBI, the NSA,
something else entirely?

858
00:43:20,590 --> 00:43:23,910
Even in the military,
the Men In Black are a mystery.

859
00:43:23,940 --> 00:43:26,560
Over the years,
encounters with Men In Black

860
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:29,260
have decreased
as their legend has grown

861
00:43:29,290 --> 00:43:31,220
even into pop culture.

862
00:43:31,260 --> 00:43:33,260
No longer are you interrogated

863
00:43:33,300 --> 00:43:35,330
and threatened
by a government spook

864
00:43:35,370 --> 00:43:40,060
or a nameless agent from an
unknown cabal of organizations.

865
00:43:40,100 --> 00:43:43,890
As proxies continue debunking
and smearing credible witnesses,

866
00:43:43,930 --> 00:43:46,310
the Men In Black
have evolved their technique

867
00:43:46,340 --> 00:43:49,660
to control the narrative
through misinformation.

868
00:43:49,690 --> 00:43:52,000
Literally, fake news.

869
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:56,040
Take Richard Doty, former
special agent of the Air Force,

870
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:59,220
who was tasked with
infiltrating the UFO community

871
00:43:59,250 --> 00:44:03,330
to instill doubt and
misinformation of UFO encounters.

872
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:07,160
Men In Black have always been
present in the UFO community

873
00:44:07,190 --> 00:44:10,060
since back in the '50s and '60s,

874
00:44:10,090 --> 00:44:12,370
and if the sighting

875
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:17,750
or a report of a sighting
or acquisition of photographs

876
00:44:17,790 --> 00:44:19,720
were important
to the government,

877
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:24,210
the UF... The MIB, Men
In Black would show up

878
00:44:24,240 --> 00:44:28,660
trying to obtain what
information these witnesses had

879
00:44:28,700 --> 00:44:32,250
regarding the sighting or
the acquisition of photographs.

880
00:44:32,290 --> 00:44:34,110
If they took some photographs,

881
00:44:34,150 --> 00:44:38,120
uh, the MIB would show up,
trying to get those photographs.

882
00:44:39,460 --> 00:44:43,950
Ever since the '50s,
people started to see, uh...

883
00:44:43,990 --> 00:44:45,950
Started seeing flying objects,

884
00:44:45,990 --> 00:44:47,990
reporting flying objects.

885
00:44:48,030 --> 00:44:52,480
Um, depending on the accuracy
and the credibility

886
00:44:52,510 --> 00:44:55,690
of the people
that observe these objects.

887
00:44:55,720 --> 00:44:59,450
Uh, and depending on
what the government knew about,

888
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:01,560
what those sightings were,

889
00:45:01,590 --> 00:45:05,390
uh, it would be dependent on
whether the government went out

890
00:45:05,420 --> 00:45:10,600
and got the information
or tried to quiet the people,

891
00:45:10,630 --> 00:45:12,390
the witnesses that saw it.

892
00:45:12,430 --> 00:45:15,120
Uh, so... But...
But it's happened.

893
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:18,990
It's real, it's a controversial
subject matter

894
00:45:19,020 --> 00:45:22,510
both within the public
and within the government.

895
00:45:22,540 --> 00:45:25,060
But, um, my knowledge is
I've worked...

896
00:45:25,100 --> 00:45:28,310
I've actually been involved
in the Men In Black,

897
00:45:28,340 --> 00:45:30,140
and we didn't call it
Men In Black,

898
00:45:30,170 --> 00:45:33,310
but there were people
within a certain agency

899
00:45:33,350 --> 00:45:34,730
within the government.

900
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:38,700
Um, the Air Force
Special Activities Center.

901
00:45:38,730 --> 00:45:41,800
Uh, they're the ones that
control these Men In Black.

902
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:47,050
It was a unit stationed
at Fort Belvoir, uh, Virginia,

903
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:52,430
that dealt with uh, obtaining
information from witnesses.

904
00:45:52,990 --> 00:45:55,540
Uh, but I've...

905
00:45:55,580 --> 00:45:57,850
The controversy, of course,
centers around

906
00:45:57,890 --> 00:45:59,890
how these Men In Black,

907
00:45:59,920 --> 00:46:02,720
number one, who they were?
Number two,

908
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:05,930
how they obtained
the information from witnesses?

909
00:46:05,970 --> 00:46:09,420
And number three, what they...
Where that information went

910
00:46:09,450 --> 00:46:12,770
after they... After the Men
In Black got the information?

911
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:16,490
Now, these... These Men
In Black, as you call them,

912
00:46:16,530 --> 00:46:19,670
uh, that are prominent
within the UFO community

913
00:46:19,700 --> 00:46:21,770
are... They have a mission.

914
00:46:21,810 --> 00:46:23,980
They're assigned
to an intelligence unit.

915
00:46:24,020 --> 00:46:27,230
Uh, they're given a mission to go
out and interview these witnesses

916
00:46:27,260 --> 00:46:30,370
that saw this,
or that already reported

917
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:35,030
a sighting or collection
of data, pictures, so forth.

918
00:46:35,620 --> 00:46:36,820
Evidence.

919
00:46:36,860 --> 00:46:39,070
And so they're out there
on a mission.

920
00:46:39,100 --> 00:46:42,450
Now, how they operate that
from that point on

921
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:44,800
uh, is really up to them.

922
00:46:44,830 --> 00:46:48,150
How are they gonna get that
information? If you're the...

923
00:46:48,180 --> 00:46:52,530
If you're the witness
and uh, we've tried

924
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:57,050
officially, where
two Air Force officers

925
00:46:57,090 --> 00:46:58,570
come to you in uniform,

926
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:01,400
not the Men In Black,
but in uniform,

927
00:47:01,430 --> 00:47:02,850
come to you and say,

928
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:05,330
Hi, we're from the
United States Air Force.

929
00:47:05,370 --> 00:47:08,680
And I understand you have
pictures of something

930
00:47:08,720 --> 00:47:11,310
that you saw last week

931
00:47:11,340 --> 00:47:14,550
and we would like to see them
because we think that...

932
00:47:14,590 --> 00:47:16,550
those pictures

933
00:47:16,590 --> 00:47:19,350
could be of a
classified project.

934
00:47:19,380 --> 00:47:22,250
So we would...
We would like you

935
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:24,530
to show them to us.

936
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:27,080
Well, if you say, They're
my pictures, I took them.

937
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:28,700
I don't have anything.
You're military.

938
00:47:28,730 --> 00:47:31,330
You have no jurisdiction
over me.

939
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:34,500
No, bye. And so,
the Air Force officers leave.

940
00:47:34,540 --> 00:47:37,130
The next day or two days
or three days later,

941
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:38,920
you're visited by two other men.

942
00:47:38,950 --> 00:47:40,780
I'm U.S.
Government credentials.

943
00:47:40,820 --> 00:47:41,960
And I...

944
00:47:41,990 --> 00:47:45,370
And you took pictures
of a classified aircraft

945
00:47:45,410 --> 00:47:47,310
yesterday or whenever,

946
00:47:47,340 --> 00:47:49,970
and we need
to look at those pictures.

947
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:51,690
And you only have one way
of doing this.

948
00:47:51,730 --> 00:47:53,280
You have to
turn them over to us

949
00:47:53,310 --> 00:47:55,520
or we're gonna go
to the court of law.

950
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:57,040
or some other threat.

951
00:47:58,180 --> 00:48:03,700
So, those are the type
of operations that I've seen.

952
00:48:03,740 --> 00:48:05,770
Uh, been involved with.

953
00:48:05,810 --> 00:48:10,160
Um, whether
they eventually turn it over.

954
00:48:10,190 --> 00:48:12,260
If they don't,
there's other means

955
00:48:12,300 --> 00:48:14,020
that they can... They can use.

956
00:48:14,060 --> 00:48:17,200
But there's other ways. A
surreptitious entry into your home.

957
00:48:17,230 --> 00:48:21,130
You come home one night from
the movies, or going out for dinner

958
00:48:21,170 --> 00:48:23,760
and you come home and you find,

959
00:48:23,790 --> 00:48:27,930
your house to be perfectly
the way that you left it,

960
00:48:27,970 --> 00:48:30,630
except that where
those pictures were stored,

961
00:48:30,660 --> 00:48:32,350
the pictures are gone.

962
00:48:32,390 --> 00:48:34,560
Or the opposite will happen.

963
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:37,190
You come home,
the window will be broken,

964
00:48:37,220 --> 00:48:39,150
We had a burglar.

965
00:48:39,190 --> 00:48:42,950
And they stole this,
they stole my television

966
00:48:42,980 --> 00:48:46,060
they stole this. Oh, and
also stole those pictures.

967
00:48:46,820 --> 00:48:50,030
Now it looks like a burglar.

968
00:48:50,060 --> 00:48:52,860
So you call the local police,
you tell local police.

969
00:48:52,890 --> 00:48:55,790
And the local police, is going to
say, Well, so you had pictures taken,

970
00:48:55,820 --> 00:48:57,810
you know, there's nothing
we can do about that.

971
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:16,780
Paul Bennewitz, was a
successful entrepreneur

972
00:49:16,810 --> 00:49:20,230
and scientist who lived
in Albuquerque, New Mexico.

973
00:49:20,260 --> 00:49:23,850
There, he unintentionally
stumbled into radio transmissions

974
00:49:23,890 --> 00:49:27,890
from a secret military base
just beyond the border of his city.

975
00:49:27,930 --> 00:49:31,620
Later, this base would become
known as Dulce Base.

976
00:49:31,650 --> 00:49:35,550
Bennewitz was then contacted
and influenced by Richard Doty.

977
00:49:35,590 --> 00:49:38,070
Little did he know
he would become a victim

978
00:49:38,110 --> 00:49:40,630
of a mass
misinformation campaign

979
00:49:40,660 --> 00:49:42,460
that would end in tragedy.

980
00:49:44,010 --> 00:49:48,330
Now, there is one person
who has called himself

981
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:51,780
a Man In Black,
who's very well known

982
00:49:51,810 --> 00:49:54,470
in the UFO community
and that is Richard Doty.

983
00:49:54,500 --> 00:49:59,230
And Richard Doty, was a
member of the Air Force Office

984
00:49:59,270 --> 00:50:02,860
of Special Investigation,
AFOSI.

985
00:50:02,890 --> 00:50:06,650
It's like the Air Force's,
their version of the CIA,

986
00:50:06,690 --> 00:50:08,380
you can say,
their intelligence agency.

987
00:50:08,410 --> 00:50:14,080
Part of his job was to protect
U.S. Air Force technology,

988
00:50:14,110 --> 00:50:16,110
secrets, and things like this.

989
00:50:16,150 --> 00:50:20,250
And one of the things that
the Air Force would do

990
00:50:20,290 --> 00:50:23,600
to protect those secrets is...

991
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:27,050
Like, there's one instance that
I know Doty has talked about

992
00:50:27,090 --> 00:50:30,020
in which
there is a crash of a...

993
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:33,720
A secret experimental aircraft,

994
00:50:33,750 --> 00:50:36,790
and witnesses actually
had photographed it.

995
00:50:36,820 --> 00:50:40,580
And you have a situation
of AFOSI going to meet

996
00:50:40,620 --> 00:50:42,930
with these witnesses
or this witness,

997
00:50:42,970 --> 00:50:44,760
and to say,
Look, this is a UFO,

998
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:46,590
or let... Let them believe
it was a UFO

999
00:50:46,620 --> 00:50:48,250
and confiscate the images.

1000
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:49,660
Rather than let them know,

1001
00:50:49,700 --> 00:50:52,200
Yeah, you actually photographed
something that we're building

1002
00:50:52,240 --> 00:50:54,200
that we don't want anyone
to know about.

1003
00:50:54,240 --> 00:50:55,670
Don't you think it's a UFO?

1004
00:50:55,700 --> 00:50:58,710
Did you ever see
a craft operated like that?

1005
00:50:58,740 --> 00:51:02,090
You just have to put
that idea in your minds,

1006
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:05,780
And I go back to the
Paul Bennewitz, uh, case...

1007
00:51:05,820 --> 00:51:08,090
which I was intimately
involved with.

1008
00:51:08,130 --> 00:51:10,410
Um, Paul was already a believer

1009
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:13,100
and what he was doing,
he was taking pictures

1010
00:51:13,130 --> 00:51:17,100
of the U.S. Air Force highly
classified drone projects.

1011
00:51:17,140 --> 00:51:19,490
The project
was highly classified.

1012
00:51:20,210 --> 00:51:21,630
I went to Paul,

1013
00:51:21,660 --> 00:51:25,110
and Paul was already a believer,
he was already a member of MUFON.

1014
00:51:25,150 --> 00:51:27,040
So it was very easy for him...

1015
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:29,600
For me, I said,
What do you think it is, Paul?

1016
00:51:29,630 --> 00:51:32,190
He said, I think it is UFO.
I think it's alien craft.

1017
00:51:32,220 --> 00:51:34,050
I said, You know what?

1018
00:51:34,090 --> 00:51:35,400
Could very well be.

1019
00:51:35,430 --> 00:51:37,880
That's all I had to say.

1020
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:40,750
And Paul ran with it,
and believed it.

1021
00:51:41,540 --> 00:51:43,130
And the rest is... Is history.

1022
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:45,480
You know,
you can believe this or not,

1023
00:51:45,510 --> 00:51:48,620
at least some of those things
that witnesses photographed

1024
00:51:48,650 --> 00:51:51,830
were not ours,
and they were not Russian.

1025
00:51:51,860 --> 00:51:54,210
So there were instances,
according to him,

1026
00:51:54,240 --> 00:51:56,760
this is my understanding,
in which...

1027
00:51:58,180 --> 00:52:00,970
There are objects that
were not from here, but they...

1028
00:52:01,910 --> 00:52:03,530
wanted that information as well.

1029
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:05,700
Now, again,
is this true or not, who knows?

1030
00:52:05,740 --> 00:52:09,260
uh, we were able to... And
this isn't classified anymore.

1031
00:52:09,290 --> 00:52:12,300
One of the things that
Paul Bennewitz had also, uh,

1032
00:52:13,260 --> 00:52:17,510
kind of stumbled into
by recording signals

1033
00:52:17,540 --> 00:52:20,100
was our ability
to shoot a laser

1034
00:52:20,130 --> 00:52:26,170
uh, at a ground based
laser station up into space.

1035
00:52:26,210 --> 00:52:29,140
And as the Soviet satellite
came over,

1036
00:52:29,180 --> 00:52:32,040
that laser would hit the lens

1037
00:52:32,940 --> 00:52:34,530
and blind the satellite

1038
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:37,770
while it's going over a certain
base preventing that

1039
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:40,150
satellite to take pictures
of the base.

1040
00:52:40,190 --> 00:52:42,460
Now, there was a satellite base,

1041
00:52:42,500 --> 00:52:45,160
Kirtland Air Force Base
and one at Groom Lake.

1042
00:52:45,190 --> 00:52:47,300
There was actually
two out at Groom Lake

1043
00:52:47,330 --> 00:52:50,610
and one at different locations.

1044
00:52:50,650 --> 00:52:52,340
And that's when every time

1045
00:52:52,370 --> 00:52:54,820
a Soviet satellite
would come over,

1046
00:52:54,860 --> 00:52:57,340
they'd shoot that laser up
and blind it.

1047
00:52:57,380 --> 00:53:00,480
So they wouldn't be able to take a
picture of what was on the ground.

1048
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:02,930
But here's what we know
about Mr. Bennewitz.

1049
00:53:02,970 --> 00:53:04,380
He was a very smart,

1050
00:53:04,420 --> 00:53:07,490
capable defense contractor,
lived in Albuquerque,

1051
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:09,220
right by
Kirtland Air Force Base

1052
00:53:09,250 --> 00:53:12,080
by the Manzano weapons
storage facility,

1053
00:53:12,110 --> 00:53:13,770
which was very important.

1054
00:53:13,810 --> 00:53:16,980
And his office was right across
from there,

1055
00:53:17,020 --> 00:53:20,680
and he witnessed things
that were, he believed,

1056
00:53:20,710 --> 00:53:22,920
were very strange.
We're talking, um...

1057
00:53:23,540 --> 00:53:25,200
1979, 1980.

1058
00:53:26,580 --> 00:53:29,300
And Bennewitz
was a real patriot.

1059
00:53:30,720 --> 00:53:33,140
And he contacted the Air Force.

1060
00:53:33,170 --> 00:53:37,140
He said, Look, I'm recording
things over there that are...

1061
00:53:37,170 --> 00:53:40,630
They... These are like UFOs.
And he openly told them,

1062
00:53:40,660 --> 00:53:42,490
I think we're talking
November 1980.

1063
00:53:43,870 --> 00:53:46,840
And this is when Doty
gets alerted to this

1064
00:53:46,870 --> 00:53:48,940
and he is sent along
with other individuals.

1065
00:53:48,970 --> 00:53:51,030
Doty's not the only one.
They go to visit Bennewitz

1066
00:53:51,070 --> 00:53:52,830
to find out, like,
What does this guy have?

1067
00:53:53,290 --> 00:53:56,440
And the reality,
apparently, is that

1068
00:53:56,470 --> 00:53:59,440
Doty and Bennewitz
became genuine friends.

1069
00:54:00,750 --> 00:54:04,580
Um, I mean, probably his job
was to befriend Bennewitz,

1070
00:54:04,620 --> 00:54:07,580
but I... I do think that they
actually ended up liking each other.

1071
00:54:07,620 --> 00:54:09,970
But Doty was working Bennewitz

1072
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:14,350
and his job, absolutely,
was to protect any secrets

1073
00:54:14,380 --> 00:54:17,490
that the folks over at Kirtland
needed him to protect.

1074
00:54:17,530 --> 00:54:19,010
That was his job.

1075
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:23,630
So, you know, according to how
Doty has often told this story,

1076
00:54:24,740 --> 00:54:27,400
and I think this part
we can say is true.

1077
00:54:27,430 --> 00:54:32,750
Bennewitz was a very, very
strong UFO believer to start with.

1078
00:54:32,780 --> 00:54:35,410
And even before he was seeing
things over by Kirtland,

1079
00:54:36,850 --> 00:54:40,580
um, he was involved
in at least one,

1080
00:54:40,620 --> 00:54:42,930
let's call it an investigation

1081
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:45,930
of a cattle mutilation
incident and abduction,

1082
00:54:45,970 --> 00:54:48,730
uh, relating to a woman
named Myrna Hansen,

1083
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:51,520
who went through
hypnotic regression,

1084
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:53,800
uh, I believe in fact,
by Dr. Leo Sprinkle,

1085
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:56,250
who's a very well known
individual in this,

1086
00:54:56,290 --> 00:54:58,220
and Bennewitz was
there and they...

1087
00:54:58,260 --> 00:54:59,600
And Myrna Hansen was regressed

1088
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:03,540
and she gave a very detailed,
very detailed account

1089
00:55:03,570 --> 00:55:07,260
of being taken to an
underground facility.

1090
00:55:07,300 --> 00:55:09,270
It's, like, very
heavy duty stuff.

1091
00:55:09,300 --> 00:55:14,750
So Bennewitz was deeply
involved in all of this.

1092
00:55:14,790 --> 00:55:16,520
Then he sees all of...

1093
00:55:16,550 --> 00:55:18,030
You know, he sees things,

1094
00:55:18,070 --> 00:55:22,000
and he's recording, uh,
emissions that he believes

1095
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:24,180
are like a form of
alien communication.

1096
00:55:25,590 --> 00:55:29,150
So with that, Doty and his team
go to talk to Bennewitz.

1097
00:55:29,180 --> 00:55:30,740
And, um,

1098
00:55:30,770 --> 00:55:36,740
did Doty explicitly give
Bennewitz false information?

1099
00:55:36,780 --> 00:55:39,090
Or did he show Bennewitz things

1100
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:41,370
and let Bennewitz
draw his own conclusions?

1101
00:55:42,330 --> 00:55:45,160
I think definitely
the latter happened,

1102
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:48,510
and maybe some of the
former happened also.

1103
00:55:48,550 --> 00:55:52,930
Um, for example,
there is one story where...

1104
00:55:52,970 --> 00:55:57,310
Where Doty took Bennewitz.
to, uh, Dulce, New Mexico.

1105
00:55:57,350 --> 00:56:02,350
Now, Dulce has a legitimate
history of bizarre

1106
00:56:02,390 --> 00:56:05,670
cattle mutilations
and UFO activity.

1107
00:56:05,700 --> 00:56:07,700
I've been there myself.
And, in fact, I spoke to

1108
00:56:07,740 --> 00:56:10,780
members of the Gomez family
in Dulce some years ago.

1109
00:56:10,810 --> 00:56:13,950
This is a family that lost,
I think, over 50 head of cattle

1110
00:56:13,990 --> 00:56:16,300
to mutilations during
that period of time.

1111
00:56:17,510 --> 00:56:21,510
Um, there's reason to think
that it might be beyond human,

1112
00:56:21,550 --> 00:56:23,680
and there's reason to think
that there are definitely

1113
00:56:23,710 --> 00:56:26,340
human intelligence operators
there as well.

1114
00:56:27,660 --> 00:56:30,380
There's a lot of strange things
that happened over at Dulce.

1115
00:56:30,420 --> 00:56:32,730
So, and over at
Dulce, you've got

1116
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:35,320
Mount Archuleta
and Archuleta Peak.

1117
00:56:35,350 --> 00:56:37,110
Uh, yeah, I think that's it.

1118
00:56:37,150 --> 00:56:40,320
So, there's these two
large structures there,

1119
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:46,500
and there have long been rumors
of underground facilities there.

1120
00:56:46,540 --> 00:56:48,610
And, um...

1121
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:50,400
And in fact, I think
that there probably were

1122
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:52,060
underground facilities there.

1123
00:56:52,090 --> 00:56:55,410
I recall distinctly speaking to
Edmundo Gomez many years ago

1124
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:57,820
who was the son of...

1125
00:56:57,860 --> 00:57:00,170
Of, um, the senior Gomez
at the time,

1126
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:03,930
and Edmundo told me, he said,
Look, in the early '70s,

1127
00:57:03,970 --> 00:57:07,070
we could hear all kinds of
construction sounds coming out of there

1128
00:57:07,110 --> 00:57:09,110
and we all believed,
he said, that there was

1129
00:57:09,140 --> 00:57:11,530
some kind of construction
going on at Dulce.

1130
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:13,250
That's his opinion.

1131
00:57:13,290 --> 00:57:16,910
In any case, Doty, uh,
at one point takes Bennewitz

1132
00:57:16,950 --> 00:57:19,090
either on a helicopter
or aircraft,

1133
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:20,290
I can't remember which,

1134
00:57:20,330 --> 00:57:24,710
and they fly around
Archuleta Peak, and...

1135
00:57:25,580 --> 00:57:28,300
And Bennewitz
draws the conclusion

1136
00:57:28,340 --> 00:57:30,860
that there is an underground
base there.

1137
00:57:30,890 --> 00:57:34,930
And, uh, according... I think this is
how, uh, Greg Bishop wrote about this

1138
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:37,210
in his study of this called
Project Beta,

1139
00:57:38,170 --> 00:57:40,490
uh, that there were, like...

1140
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:42,730
Like these fake artifacts
put up by the Air Force

1141
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:43,790
to make Bennewitz think

1142
00:57:44,030 --> 00:57:45,880
that there was all of this
activity going on

1143
00:57:46,220 --> 00:57:48,770
and make him think there was
a big UFO thing happening there.

1144
00:57:48,810 --> 00:57:51,880
Uh, and also to lead him away

1145
00:57:51,910 --> 00:57:53,640
from his fixation on Kirtland

1146
00:57:54,330 --> 00:57:55,920
to get him to look at Dulce.

1147
00:57:55,950 --> 00:57:57,160
That was part of this,

1148
00:57:57,190 --> 00:57:59,300
at least according
to Bishop's research.

1149
00:58:25,050 --> 00:58:28,120
On December 26, 1980,

1150
00:58:28,150 --> 00:58:31,160
Great Britain's most
notorious UFO incident

1151
00:58:31,190 --> 00:58:33,850
occurred at a United States
Air Force base

1152
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:35,850
in Rendlesham Forest.

1153
00:58:35,890 --> 00:58:38,960
Security personnel
Jim Penniston,

1154
00:58:38,990 --> 00:58:42,340
John Burroughs
and Edward Cabansag

1155
00:58:42,380 --> 00:58:45,310
were alerted by radio
that a UFO was seen

1156
00:58:45,340 --> 00:58:49,070
moving in the forest
on the perimeter of the base.

1157
00:58:49,110 --> 00:58:52,110
They made their way out
to the edge of the forest

1158
00:58:52,140 --> 00:58:53,840
and as they made their way in,

1159
00:58:53,870 --> 00:58:56,290
eventually they stood
right in front

1160
00:58:56,320 --> 00:59:00,530
of something they could only describe
as being from out of this world.

1161
00:59:00,570 --> 00:59:03,400
This small triangular
metallic craft

1162
00:59:03,430 --> 00:59:06,570
had strange symbols
etched into its surface.

1163
00:59:06,610 --> 00:59:10,990
It emanated a vibrant glow that
lit up the canopy of the forest,

1164
00:59:11,030 --> 00:59:13,230
and it was almost soundless.

1165
00:59:13,270 --> 00:59:16,510
It is said that the craft
took off in an instant

1166
00:59:16,550 --> 00:59:17,890
from the forest floor

1167
00:59:17,930 --> 00:59:21,520
as if it disappeared into
the night sky before them.

1168
00:59:21,550 --> 00:59:25,830
These three eye witnesses made
their way back to the base by car,

1169
00:59:25,870 --> 00:59:29,910
where many other observers
of the UFO were stationed.

1170
00:59:29,940 --> 00:59:32,740
As they arrived,
they were surprised to have

1171
00:59:32,770 --> 00:59:35,880
men in civilian clothing
waiting for them.

1172
00:59:35,910 --> 00:59:38,570
And to quote John Burroughs,

1173
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:41,850
There were gentlemen there
with sunglasses,

1174
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:44,850
who took Jim and Ed
off somewhere.

1175
00:59:44,890 --> 00:59:48,550
We no longer saw them
after we traded in our weapons,

1176
00:59:48,580 --> 00:59:52,550
and I felt betrayed because
they wouldn't talk to me anymore.

1177
00:59:52,580 --> 00:59:55,620
What was said to them
to clam them up so tight?

1178
00:59:56,310 --> 00:59:58,210
I have no idea.

1179
00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:01,180
This story follows
an age old pattern

1180
01:00:01,210 --> 01:00:03,770
of a prominent
Men In Black cover up.

1181
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:06,250
A UFO incident occurs.

1182
01:00:06,290 --> 01:00:09,430
Experiencers witness
something that shouldn't exist

1183
01:00:09,460 --> 01:00:12,290
in our conventionally
understood reality.

1184
01:00:12,330 --> 01:00:15,500
A meeting then follows
between these experiencers

1185
01:00:15,540 --> 01:00:18,330
and the Men In Black
which strikes fear in them

1186
01:00:18,370 --> 01:00:22,440
to never speak about
what they saw or experienced.

1187
01:00:38,420 --> 01:00:40,700
I served
in the United States Air Force

1188
01:00:40,740 --> 01:00:44,600
for six years from 1992 to 1998.

1189
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:48,990
First three years were at
Elmendorf Air Force Base in Alaska,

1190
01:00:49,020 --> 01:00:53,200
and the other three years
were at Fort George G. Meade

1191
01:00:53,230 --> 01:00:55,680
in Maryland, the home of NSA.

1192
01:00:55,720 --> 01:01:00,550
Now, my role for NSA
was as a computer technician,

1193
01:01:00,580 --> 01:01:03,550
primarily systems
and network administration

1194
01:01:03,590 --> 01:01:06,450
for a specific
surveillance crew.

1195
01:01:06,490 --> 01:01:11,390
I cannot get into specifics of
what exactly we were surveilling,

1196
01:01:11,420 --> 01:01:14,700
uh, but essentially,
I offered computer support

1197
01:01:14,740 --> 01:01:18,010
for those that were
performing this function.

1198
01:01:18,050 --> 01:01:20,880
Of course,
I had a top secret clearance.

1199
01:01:20,910 --> 01:01:24,570
A, uh, TS/SCI clearance
specifically,

1200
01:01:24,610 --> 01:01:27,440
and that is
very compartmentalized.

1201
01:01:27,470 --> 01:01:31,030
Now, on occasion,
we did have a need

1202
01:01:31,060 --> 01:01:36,930
to, uh, exit, uh, the NSA campus
and go to an off-site location.

1203
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:41,210
And there are a plethora
of these types of locations

1204
01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:42,970
across the country.

1205
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:48,390
And these locations were
basically hidden in plain sight.

1206
01:01:48,420 --> 01:01:52,500
You know, they would be at, uh,
you know, just small,

1207
01:01:52,530 --> 01:01:55,500
you know, maybe strip malls
that were out of the way.

1208
01:01:55,530 --> 01:01:57,810
So they just had
some local businesses,

1209
01:01:57,850 --> 01:02:00,500
uh, some different offices,
that sort of thing.

1210
01:02:00,540 --> 01:02:03,610
And when we would have to go
to these locations,

1211
01:02:03,650 --> 01:02:07,030
we could not arrive
in our military attire.

1212
01:02:07,060 --> 01:02:10,100
Uh, they did not want
it to be known

1213
01:02:10,140 --> 01:02:13,520
that this was actually
a, uh, government operation

1214
01:02:13,550 --> 01:02:15,040
and the military was involved.

1215
01:02:15,070 --> 01:02:17,660
So we were required,
as protocol,

1216
01:02:17,690 --> 01:02:21,280
to dress in black suits
and a tie

1217
01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:22,980
to go to these locations.

1218
01:02:54,900 --> 01:02:59,670
...being interrogated. I just
don't. And I don't know if...

1219
01:03:12,990 --> 01:03:15,610
I don't know.
I mean, I, I don't know.

1220
01:03:15,650 --> 01:03:18,510
Was that, uh...
Was that an MIB experience?

1221
01:03:18,550 --> 01:03:20,960
You know,
black helicopters, uh.

1222
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:24,040
You know, military, uh,
abductions that happen sometimes.

1223
01:03:24,070 --> 01:03:25,900
People are taken
and then they talk about

1224
01:03:25,940 --> 01:03:28,520
them being visited by,
you know, military personnel

1225
01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:30,350
and re, debriefed
about their abduction.

1226
01:03:30,390 --> 01:03:32,630
So, Dan Aykroyd, the actor,
the comedian,

1227
01:03:32,670 --> 01:03:35,770
has a very interesting story
about Men In Black as well,

1228
01:03:35,810 --> 01:03:40,290
and, um, it's funny I have my
own little oblique connection to this.

1229
01:03:40,330 --> 01:03:42,120
Very, very small.

1230
01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:45,230
But in 2002, Dan Aykroyd
had a TV show called Out There.

1231
01:03:46,230 --> 01:03:48,100
And, uh, it was a UFO show.

1232
01:03:48,130 --> 01:03:49,370
Dan Aykroyd, of course,

1233
01:03:49,410 --> 01:03:51,680
everyone knows Dan Aykroyd
is very interested in UFOs.

1234
01:03:51,720 --> 01:03:52,960
He's very knowledgeable.

1235
01:03:53,000 --> 01:03:56,790
He knows this field, he's
very sophisticated with it.

1236
01:03:56,830 --> 01:04:00,900
And he wanted to do a serious
treatment of the UFO subject.

1237
01:04:02,490 --> 01:04:06,010
And in fact, uh,
this is 2002, and I was, uh...

1238
01:04:06,040 --> 01:04:08,840
I was one of the new guys
in the field at that time,

1239
01:04:08,870 --> 01:04:13,500
and I had, actually, myself gotten
a communication from his team,

1240
01:04:13,530 --> 01:04:16,610
and they were interested in
interviewing me for this show.

1241
01:04:16,640 --> 01:04:18,670
So I was excited.
I thought, Oh, this is awesome!

1242
01:04:18,710 --> 01:04:21,990
I'll get to... Maybe
I'll get to meet Dan Aykroyd.

1243
01:04:22,030 --> 01:04:24,750
Uh, and then I discovered, no,
the show fell through no more,

1244
01:04:24,790 --> 01:04:26,240
and I won't get my opportunity.

1245
01:04:26,270 --> 01:04:30,830
So what's interesting is that, uh,
the day that that show was canceled,

1246
01:04:30,860 --> 01:04:33,040
has a very interesting story.

1247
01:04:33,070 --> 01:04:35,900
So according to what Aykroyd
said, he's out taking a break,

1248
01:04:35,940 --> 01:04:37,560
having a smoke outside.

1249
01:04:38,590 --> 01:04:44,010
And there's a very unsettling
man, in black,

1250
01:04:44,050 --> 01:04:46,640
who's at some distance,

1251
01:04:46,670 --> 01:04:49,740
but I don't think that far,
who's staring at him.

1252
01:04:49,780 --> 01:04:51,570
It's unsettling to Aykroyd.

1253
01:04:51,610 --> 01:04:55,160
The man is dressed in black,
he's got a car, a black car.

1254
01:04:55,200 --> 01:04:57,890
He looks away
and then looks over.

1255
01:04:57,920 --> 01:04:59,860
And the man
and the car are gone.

1256
01:05:01,200 --> 01:05:02,550
Um, apparently in such a way

1257
01:05:02,580 --> 01:05:03,930
that it didn't make
sense to him,

1258
01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:06,760
that it just disappeared
in such a way.

1259
01:05:06,790 --> 01:05:09,000
Right after that,

1260
01:05:09,040 --> 01:05:10,630
right after that,
he's back inside.

1261
01:05:10,660 --> 01:05:13,080
He gets a phone call
from his producer,

1262
01:05:13,110 --> 01:05:16,110
who tells him, without
an explanation, by the way,

1263
01:05:16,150 --> 01:05:17,430
that the show's been canceled.

1264
01:05:17,460 --> 01:05:19,260
No more shooting. It's over.

1265
01:05:19,950 --> 01:05:20,980
End of story.

1266
01:05:21,260 --> 01:05:22,430
Big mystery.

1267
01:05:22,470 --> 01:05:23,630
So it was, Oh, hi, Britney.

1268
01:05:23,670 --> 01:05:25,290
Sure. Oh, of course,
I'd love to do...

1269
01:05:25,320 --> 01:05:26,420
Guy gives me a dirty look.

1270
01:05:26,460 --> 01:05:27,490
Oh, well, sure.

1271
01:05:27,530 --> 01:05:28,530
Car gone.

1272
01:05:28,560 --> 01:05:29,570
That's what happened.

1273
01:05:29,600 --> 01:05:31,990
And, uh, then two hours later,

1274
01:05:32,030 --> 01:05:34,860
uh, we were told that
we were not to continue taping

1275
01:05:34,890 --> 01:05:36,990
and the show was canceled
and none of them would air.

1276
01:05:37,890 --> 01:05:40,480
I don't know.
I mean, I... I don't know.

1277
01:05:40,520 --> 01:05:43,380
Was that, uh...
Was that an MIB experience?

1278
01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:48,040
So there's a very interesting,
let's say, creepy,

1279
01:05:48,080 --> 01:05:53,360
uh, video that is available
of two apparent Men In Black.

1280
01:05:54,150 --> 01:05:56,090
Uh, and this has to do with, uh,

1281
01:05:56,120 --> 01:05:58,640
an event that took place
at Niagara Falls.

1282
01:05:59,540 --> 01:06:00,910
Now, I don't know
the date of this.

1283
01:06:00,950 --> 01:06:04,270
The video itself was
posted to YouTube in 2013,

1284
01:06:04,300 --> 01:06:06,960
and it's very interesting.

1285
01:06:20,250 --> 01:06:23,220
So, what you have
is a situation where a...

1286
01:06:23,250 --> 01:06:25,870
A hotel employee
at Niagara Falls,

1287
01:06:27,010 --> 01:06:30,080
uh, the night before had sh...

1288
01:06:30,120 --> 01:06:34,500
Apparently had shot
a very impressive video

1289
01:06:34,540 --> 01:06:37,400
of a vivid and,
I think, large UFO

1290
01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:39,090
over Niagara Falls.

1291
01:06:39,130 --> 01:06:41,610
The very next day
called in sick.

1292
01:06:41,650 --> 01:06:46,070
And on that day that
he'd called in sick, uh,

1293
01:06:46,100 --> 01:06:48,380
there are these
very two odd men,

1294
01:06:48,410 --> 01:06:50,000
very intimidating-looking men

1295
01:06:50,040 --> 01:06:53,730
and all of this is caught on
the hotel, uh, security camera.

1296
01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:57,010
And it's interesting because
you see all the hotel traffic,

1297
01:06:57,040 --> 01:06:59,420
people coming in and out,
out of the hotel.

1298
01:06:59,460 --> 01:07:02,880
And then you see these two
very, fairly large men

1299
01:07:02,910 --> 01:07:06,120
in these big black trench coats
with hats.

1300
01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:09,430
And the... At least one
of the people there is, like,

1301
01:07:09,470 --> 01:07:11,880
obviously intimidated by them
and walks away.

1302
01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:13,610
You can see that in the video.

1303
01:07:13,650 --> 01:07:15,890
So, they go in.

1304
01:07:15,920 --> 01:07:18,410
And furthermore, when you see,
at least to my view,

1305
01:07:18,440 --> 01:07:20,960
one of them walked
in a very odd way.

1306
01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:24,170
Like his feet
were not positioned

1307
01:07:24,210 --> 01:07:25,930
in the way that
you would normally see.

1308
01:07:25,970 --> 01:07:28,280
If you look carefully, like,
there, he's...

1309
01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:30,080
His feet are positioned
in an odd way.

1310
01:07:30,110 --> 01:07:31,530
In any case, um,

1311
01:07:32,560 --> 01:07:35,080
what's interesting
about the video is

1312
01:07:35,120 --> 01:07:36,450
you have one person, primarily,

1313
01:07:36,490 --> 01:07:38,290
but there's two people
in this video talking,

1314
01:07:38,430 --> 01:07:40,910
but these are
the hotel employees,

1315
01:07:40,950 --> 01:07:43,640
and they're describing
what happened in this encounter.

1316
01:07:44,570 --> 01:07:47,270
And, essentially, they come in

1317
01:07:47,300 --> 01:07:51,030
and they're looking for this
employee, who's not there.

1318
01:07:51,060 --> 01:07:55,030
And they scare the hell out of this
one woman who's working there.

1319
01:07:55,070 --> 01:07:58,410
She gets to deal with
these two giant men

1320
01:07:58,450 --> 01:08:00,660
in these big black trench coats

1321
01:08:00,690 --> 01:08:03,140
with these enormous blue eyes

1322
01:08:03,180 --> 01:08:05,350
that never blink,
according to her.

1323
01:08:05,390 --> 01:08:08,980
And they're scaring her
to death, asking for this guy.

1324
01:08:09,010 --> 01:08:12,290
And she actually just broke down
crying during the encounter,

1325
01:08:12,320 --> 01:08:15,400
apparently, uh, according
to the person telling the story,

1326
01:08:15,430 --> 01:08:17,540
who was another employee,
a coworker of hers.

1327
01:08:17,570 --> 01:08:21,580
Uh, they wanted this film.

1328
01:08:21,610 --> 01:08:23,890
They wanted this video,
and they...

1329
01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:26,610
You know, what's...
What's very interesting is

1330
01:08:26,650 --> 01:08:30,860
that you've got this recording
on a hotel security camera.

1331
01:08:30,890 --> 01:08:33,760
And the only, you know,
what, what are the...

1332
01:08:34,800 --> 01:08:35,930
What's going on here?

1333
01:08:35,970 --> 01:08:38,450
It's... It's either
a massive hoax

1334
01:08:38,490 --> 01:08:41,320
that the entire hotel staff

1335
01:08:41,350 --> 01:08:44,460
wanted to participate in
and create this thing.

1336
01:08:44,490 --> 01:08:47,390
All right, I suppose
that's a possibility.

1337
01:08:47,430 --> 01:08:49,190
Or it's true,
or it really happened

1338
01:08:49,220 --> 01:08:51,850
the way that it seems to happen.

1339
01:08:51,880 --> 01:08:55,060
And I don't... I don't know
what to say about it.

1340
01:08:55,090 --> 01:08:58,540
You know, I don't know, uh,
the names of any of the people.

1341
01:08:58,580 --> 01:09:00,510
Have they been
interviewed subsequently?

1342
01:09:00,550 --> 01:09:03,410
Do we have names?
What happened to the employee?

1343
01:09:03,440 --> 01:09:06,620
What happened to the film
that he shot, the video?

1344
01:09:06,650 --> 01:09:09,420
Uh, there's a lot of unanswered
questions in this story,

1345
01:09:09,450 --> 01:09:11,690
like, we just have to
acknowledge that.

1346
01:09:11,730 --> 01:09:16,630
On the other hand, when you
look at this, you listen to it...

1347
01:09:16,660 --> 01:09:19,670
Look, I just have to say, it
sounds potentially believable,

1348
01:09:20,600 --> 01:09:22,150
and I have to leave it at that.

1349
01:09:22,190 --> 01:09:27,810
I don't... I don't know what my full
determination is on this, for all time,

1350
01:09:27,850 --> 01:09:30,850
but I certainly
will admit, it's...

1351
01:09:30,890 --> 01:09:32,370
It catches my imagination.

1352
01:09:32,400 --> 01:09:34,500
It really makes me wonder
if it actually did happen.

1353
01:10:11,580 --> 01:10:15,480
UFO encounters
have been mired in suppression,

1354
01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:21,040
skepticism, and covert tactics,
termed, The Truth Embargo.

1355
01:10:21,070 --> 01:10:24,350
This truth has now been
considered credible

1356
01:10:24,390 --> 01:10:28,290
and worth investigating
by the Department of Defense.

1357
01:10:28,320 --> 01:10:31,430
A recent news release
indicates the military

1358
01:10:31,460 --> 01:10:34,920
is again funding research
to the UAP

1359
01:10:34,950 --> 01:10:38,820
otherwise known as
the UFO phenomenon.

1360
01:10:38,850 --> 01:10:43,990
If there is a long history of
information suppression quite evident,

1361
01:10:44,030 --> 01:10:48,690
then should we trust the newfound
interest in the UFO phenomenon

1362
01:10:48,720 --> 01:10:50,520
by the U.S. Government?

1363
01:10:50,550 --> 01:10:53,170
Should witnesses
and experiencers

1364
01:10:53,210 --> 01:10:56,350
be the ones in which
we look to for information

1365
01:10:56,390 --> 01:10:58,420
regarding this reality?

1366
01:10:58,460 --> 01:11:00,940
Perhaps the government
should be the safe place

1367
01:11:00,980 --> 01:11:04,700
to consider relevant
information on the topic.

1368
01:11:04,740 --> 01:11:07,980
If that is the case,
then the U.S. Government

1369
01:11:08,020 --> 01:11:10,470
will have to regain
the public trust

1370
01:11:10,500 --> 01:11:13,820
and undo decades of
The Truth Embargo

1371
01:11:13,850 --> 01:11:16,440
enacted by the Men In Black.

1372
01:11:16,470 --> 01:11:18,580
The government
would have to admit

1373
01:11:18,610 --> 01:11:22,310
to the said suppression
of information in the past,

1374
01:11:22,340 --> 01:11:26,830
provide reparations for those
targeted by the Men In Black,

1375
01:11:26,860 --> 01:11:29,630
release all
the credible documentation

1376
01:11:29,660 --> 01:11:33,150
that has been scrutinized by
the U.S. Department of Defense

1377
01:11:33,180 --> 01:11:35,420
over the past 70 years,

1378
01:11:35,460 --> 01:11:38,430
and, finally,
provide a clear explanation

1379
01:11:38,460 --> 01:11:40,010
for how this should affect

1380
01:11:40,050 --> 01:11:42,570
everyone's belief system
going forward.

1381
01:11:43,090 --> 01:11:44,610
We are not alone.

1382
01:11:45,370 --> 01:11:47,330
The real question is:

1383
01:11:47,370 --> 01:11:50,400
Will the powers that be
ever stop using

1384
01:11:50,440 --> 01:11:53,610
Men In Black tactics
to control the narrative?

1385
01:12:13,460 --> 01:12:15,120
♪ Just move along

1386
01:12:15,150 --> 01:12:19,430
♪ And there's really no escape
No matter what you do

1387
01:12:19,470 --> 01:12:21,370
♪ The Men In Black
Keep coming back

1388
01:12:21,400 --> 01:12:23,330
♪ And watching over you

1389
01:12:24,200 --> 01:12:25,300
♪ You take the hills

1390
01:12:25,340 --> 01:12:28,130
♪ And I'll just keep
This dusty road

1391
01:12:28,170 --> 01:12:29,650
♪ Let's get out together

1392
01:12:29,690 --> 01:12:32,170
♪ While keeping
our mouth closed

1393
01:12:32,200 --> 01:12:34,030
Ha-ha.

1394
01:12:38,450 --> 01:12:42,350
♪ There's really no escape
No matter what you do

1395
01:12:42,390 --> 01:12:44,250
♪ The Men In Black
Keep coming back

1396
01:12:44,290 --> 01:12:47,150
♪ And watching over you

1397
01:12:47,190 --> 01:12:51,190
♪ You take the hills And
I'll just keep This dusty road

1398
01:12:51,220 --> 01:12:55,090
♪ Let's get out together
While keeping our mouth closed

1399
01:13:00,340 --> 01:13:03,200
♪ Run away

1400
01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:06,790
♪ The faster

1401
01:13:08,240 --> 01:13:11,040
♪ The better now

1402
01:13:13,380 --> 01:13:16,490
♪ Run away

1403
01:13:17,970 --> 01:13:20,390
♪ The faster you go

1404
01:13:21,500 --> 01:13:24,260
♪ More will grow