1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:11,120 BELL RINGS 4 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:12,920 LIVELY CHATTER 5 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:19,320 PA: ..please wait outside the building... 6 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:27,960 RINGING STOPS 7 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:29,440 But one thing, right? 8 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:31,320 50 of us lot get on a bus 9 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:33,400 and the whole world knows we're lesbians. 10 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:35,480 There's no mistake about it. They know what we are. 11 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:38,400 We're out of the closet, wearing what we're wearing. 12 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:40,480 CHEERING AND APPLAUSE 13 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:46,400 I'm saying that you're discounting and trivialising 14 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:49,760 a whole other range of sexual feelings. 15 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:51,600 BELL RINGS 16 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:57,960 Do you call yourself a lezzo dyke? 17 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:00,120 Yes. 18 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:05,000 I'm not saying, "Tell me what you do in bed, 19 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:07,440 "and why is it better and why is mine wrong?" 20 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:10,720 I... I just want to say one other thing. 21 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:12,800 ROWDY CHATTER 22 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:18,280 -..attack. -No, I don't. 23 00:01:18,320 --> 00:01:19,440 I just said to you... 24 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:22,040 -Can we listen to what's being said? 25 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:25,880 MUSIC: I Hate Being In Love by Amy And The Angels 26 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:34,840 ♪ I hate being in love 27 00:01:35,960 --> 00:01:37,680 ♪ I hate being in love 28 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:40,320 ♪ I hate being in love 29 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:41,600 ♪ Oo-ee-oo 30 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:43,200 ♪ I hate being in love 31 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:45,520 ♪ One of my friends has told me 32 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:46,640 ♪ It is such good fun 33 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:47,960 ♪ First you've got to see her 34 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:49,720 ♪ And then you're on the run 35 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:50,880 ♪ Every other weekend 36 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:52,280 ♪ They ask me, "How'd it go? 37 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:53,600 ♪ "Isn't it fantastic?" 38 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:55,400 ♪ And I say, "No, no, no," cos 39 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:56,920 ♪ I hate being in love 40 00:01:58,160 --> 00:01:59,800 ♪ I hate being in love 41 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:02,360 ♪ I hate being in love 42 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:03,560 ♪ Oo-ee-oo 43 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:05,120 ♪ I hate being in love 44 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:07,480 ♪ You hold my hand and kiss me 45 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:08,960 ♪ You buy me ice-cream cones 46 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:10,520 ♪ You also write me letters 47 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:11,800 ♪ And say you miss my bones 48 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:12,960 ♪ I can't say I might move 49 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:14,200 ♪ I'm saying I don't know 50 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:15,760 ♪ It's strange, somewhat uneasy 51 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:17,680 ♪ I can't ask you, no, no, cos 52 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:19,160 ♪ I hate being in love 53 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:21,920 ♪ I hate being in love 54 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:24,720 ♪ I hate being in love 55 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:25,960 ♪ Oo-ee-oo 56 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:27,760 ♪ I hate being in love. ♪ 57 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:32,800 We weren't lesbians - we were dykes. 58 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:36,120 We wanted to be sexual people. 59 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:56,720 Rebel dykes were outlaws. 60 00:02:56,760 --> 00:03:00,480 This was way before there were queer activists or riot grrls. 61 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:01,520 We invented it. 62 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:10,760 MUSIC: He Called Me A Fat Pig... by the Renees 63 00:03:25,640 --> 00:03:28,000 It was a great time and a terrible time 64 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:31,200 to be young and queer in London. 65 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:37,480 Obviously, there was Thatcher - that was a common enemy. 66 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:40,880 Thatcher had just got in in 1979. 67 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:43,960 We're on the street, we were working class. 68 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:46,440 -We were young, we were punks, we were poor. 69 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:50,280 -We were a kind of subculture. 70 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:53,800 -We were a community, 71 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:56,240 because there were so many laws made against us. 72 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:02,360 -Politically, there was always this attempt to silence. 73 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:04,920 MUSIC: Life - No by the Petticoats 74 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:09,280 We had to ring Lesbian Line 75 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:12,160 to find out where there might be a dyke bar. 76 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:22,520 I came to London 77 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:26,000 in the mid-'70s and, um, 78 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:27,880 I didn't know any other lesbians. 79 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:29,440 There weren't any other lesbians, 80 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:31,880 as far as I was aware - I was actually the only one. 81 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:35,640 So it was very difficult. 82 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:38,400 Cos there was nowhere to go, there was no clubs, 83 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:41,720 there was... It was really isolated. 84 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:46,000 -I was living in quite a conservative town 85 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:48,200 just outside Winchester. 86 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:52,320 I had seen a woman in the town who I liked, who was 87 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:54,560 cycling around dressed all in black, 88 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:57,480 with a great chain strung across her. 89 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:00,640 And, um, obviously developed a massive crush on her. 90 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:05,800 The only problem was, she was about 15 years older than me 91 00:05:05,840 --> 00:05:08,160 and she said, "Go to Greenham." 92 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:20,440 Greenham Common was a women's peace camp and, um, 93 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:23,720 you wanted to go and join and live there. 94 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:26,040 ♪ We are strong, we are strong 95 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:29,440 ♪ We say "no", we say "no" 96 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:32,440 ♪ To the bomb, to the bomb 97 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:35,400 ♪ We are women, we are women 98 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:36,560 ♪ We are strong... ♪ 99 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:38,840 FISCH: Women came from everywhere. Hundreds and... 100 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:40,240 Thousands of women came. 101 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:44,840 ♪ To the bomb, to the bomb 102 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:46,200 ♪ We are women... ♪ 103 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:52,600 Suddenly, there I was with all these other lesbians 104 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:55,280 and women who thought they might be lesbians. 105 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:57,240 It was like a ready-made community. 106 00:05:57,280 --> 00:05:59,720 MUSIC: Statement by the Poison Girls 107 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:13,280 It was that version of being a woman and then later, 108 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:15,080 sort of, realised that version of being 109 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:18,440 a dyke that really made me want to go there and live there 110 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:21,400 more than the nuclear protest, if I'm honest. 111 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:30,000 We were reclaiming that land 112 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:32,960 by putting women's energy into it. 113 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:37,040 We really needed to reclaim space then. 114 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:39,680 Everything seemed to be owned by the patriarchy. 115 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:42,080 CHANTING: Lesbians! 116 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:43,960 CHEERING AND APPLAUSE 117 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:46,040 And I was a separatist then. 118 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:48,040 You know, I wouldn't even have had a male cat. 119 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:53,360 There were eight gates, 120 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:55,280 you know, all the colours of the rainbow, 121 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:57,320 around the base. 122 00:06:57,360 --> 00:06:59,320 Orange Gate was the musicians' gate. 123 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:12,680 -Green Gate was the notorious gate of separatists. 124 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:23,120 -There was a brand of feminism 125 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:26,080 which said that you had to be a lesbian. 126 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:30,880 -Their view is that lesbianism 127 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:33,640 is a political as much as a sexual identity. 128 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:36,240 It's about giving all of your energy, 129 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:39,280 all of your identity to your sisters, 130 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:42,760 and withdrawing from men and male behaviour 131 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:43,960 as much as possible. 132 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:46,640 -After that, I moved to Blue Gate, 133 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:48,920 where there were far more younger women. 134 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:52,520 -Blue Gate was the gate nearest the pub, 135 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:55,160 so that was, like, your young drinking lesbians' gate. 136 00:07:56,880 --> 00:07:59,280 -We weren't really into that sort of 137 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:01,840 Housewives For Peace kind of image. 138 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:03,560 ♪ Whisky makes you frisky 139 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:05,480 ♪ Gin makes you sin 140 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:07,160 ♪ Brandy makes you randy 141 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:08,560 ♪ And rum makes you... ♪ 142 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:13,920 After school on a Friday, 143 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:16,440 I'd get on the bus and up to Greenham, 144 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:18,680 spend the weekend there 145 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:21,800 and then come back to school on the Monday morning. 146 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:24,000 So I did that as often as I could, really. 147 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:26,320 One time - I can't remember who it was said, 148 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:28,840 "Come on, come with me, let's go and get some booze," 149 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:30,760 and just took me into the woods. 150 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:32,520 And it turns out that a group of women 151 00:08:32,560 --> 00:08:36,600 had broken into the squaddies' bar, essentially, 152 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:39,880 and nicked all of their alcohol - just the lot. 153 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:44,400 FISCH: We were very politically aware 154 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:47,680 but we were also really naughty. 155 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:49,080 We just... 156 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:53,280 We took great delight in really just winding them up. 157 00:08:58,680 --> 00:09:02,040 One year, they brought over this Blackbird spy plane 158 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:05,040 that had this special skin on it which meant that it could 159 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:07,200 fly at particularly fast speeds. 160 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:13,720 About six of us broke into the base one night 161 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:17,080 and threw paint at this plane, which... 162 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:19,800 The level of damage to this skin 163 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:22,080 was in the, kind of, multimillions. 164 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:28,440 They bailed us but the prospect was of, kind of, 165 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:31,600 going to prison for, like, 25 years or something. 166 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:35,160 -There was a nine-mile fence, remember, 167 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:37,000 so it was impossible for them 168 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:39,840 to control that amount of perimeter. 169 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:42,480 So you'd just go to a bit where there weren't any patrols 170 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:45,160 and you'd get your bolt cutters out and in you'd go. 171 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:51,000 So we were just crawling around in the base, you know, 172 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:54,160 planting acorns in circles on the full moon. 173 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:59,680 -The first time I had sex was in the base. 174 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:03,360 So, went in, with this woman who I fancied - 175 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:05,400 "Oh, I've never had sex before." 176 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:07,760 And it was all smoky and misty all around us. 177 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:09,520 So that was quite exciting. 178 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:15,520 ATALANTA: Some of the older women, sort of, like, 179 00:10:15,560 --> 00:10:19,040 decided that they would tell us all about lesbian sex. 180 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:28,760 We were told that we had to keep our nails short 181 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:33,920 and one of the few women that was into SM, who was a vegan, 182 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:37,800 showed us how to make whips out of rubber and things like that. 183 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:40,440 So, that was a happy time. 184 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:43,040 I met loads of fantastic women 185 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:45,600 who were squatting in London at the time. 186 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:49,280 I ended up squatting in Brixton. 187 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:56,960 JO: There was a lot of empty buildings in Brixton. 188 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:00,680 Some landlords that weren't there 189 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:03,000 and just leaving their properties empty. 190 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:18,640 -I hitchhiked from Finland. 191 00:11:18,680 --> 00:11:23,040 We came to London and we didn't know where to sleep. 192 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:26,200 And we walked through Brixton, with my friend Emma, 193 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:28,320 and she took us to Tulse Hill. 194 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:31,040 And she said, "Wait here," and she came back 195 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:34,040 with a crowbar hidden, like, under her jacket. 196 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:37,080 So, she broke in very quick, changed the lock and said, 197 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:39,280 "OK, here's your new apartment." 198 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:41,320 SEIJA CHUCKLES 199 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:48,800 It was good to open them up and give them some life, erm, 200 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:51,280 and we needed somewhere to live. 201 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:58,160 You know, London was different then. 202 00:11:58,200 --> 00:11:59,960 It was harder to get around. 203 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:05,960 And it was dirtier, it was meaner. 204 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:10,760 -Especially in south London, at that time, 205 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:15,000 there was still quite a risk of being gay-bashed. 206 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:18,920 -It was easier to be nocturnal, 207 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:21,640 so that the straight people didn't ever get to see you. 208 00:12:23,680 --> 00:12:25,960 -In those days, people were very homophobic, 209 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:27,960 so there'd be always people shouting remarks 210 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:30,640 and here's this very obvious dyke walking through Soho 211 00:12:30,680 --> 00:12:33,080 with my shaved head and my big boots. 212 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:37,920 And suddenly, the same guys 213 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:40,520 were giving me lots and lots of money to see my body. 214 00:12:40,560 --> 00:12:41,680 It was kind of nuts. 215 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:50,680 -Always had, like, a legal and illegal part, 216 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:52,120 and it was quite sleazy places. 217 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:54,800 You did have to really look out for yourself. 218 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:59,400 -I would take my speed and I'd share it with my friends 219 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:02,880 and we'd go tramping round the city centre of London at night. 220 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:04,560 I felt like it was my city. 221 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:22,480 Then there was that whole twilight zone - 222 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:24,600 literally the twilight zone - where it was evening, 223 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:26,720 you'd woken up, they were all coming home from work, 224 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:29,080 and that's when things happen. That's when... 225 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:34,600 Yeah, stuff happened on the streets. 226 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:38,800 The chances are, you probably were gonna get 227 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:40,560 your head slapped about. 228 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:44,440 And so it was dangerous just to be who you were in those days. 229 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:46,560 MAJ: You didn't want to get spotted on the streets. 230 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:50,160 You would drop hands at certain moments. 231 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:09,520 At least two of my friends were cut on their face, 232 00:14:09,560 --> 00:14:11,800 because they'd been identified as dykes. 233 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:20,040 So I ended up... My mum was a nurse, 234 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:22,560 so that qualified me to do butterfly stitches, 235 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:24,280 which I made out of... 236 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:26,920 I don't know - gaffer tape, probably - 237 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:29,080 and fixed a scar on her face. 238 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:33,520 YVONNE: I kind of, like, was getting grief. 239 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:35,200 Homophobia and racism. 240 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:39,680 My first six months in London, 241 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:42,240 I went to a few political meetings. 242 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:46,600 They had some sort of conference 243 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:49,040 at the South London Women's Centre in Brixton, 244 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:51,640 which I was invited to, as a black woman. 245 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:53,920 And when I got there I was like, 246 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:56,080 "Oh, God, this is so serious." 247 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:58,560 A lot of discussion around Greenham Common, for example. 248 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:00,720 And I'd just come out the army - 249 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:03,040 do you think I was mentioning that to anybody? 250 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:06,880 Saturday night, I'm not having a workshop 251 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:08,080 and I'm not having a hug-in. 252 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:10,080 I just want to cut some shapes on the dance floor. 253 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:11,920 I just want to go and say "hi" to people. 254 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:18,680 -There weren't that many places for a young lesbian to go. 255 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:21,240 When I came out about 1986, 256 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:23,200 there was something like 257 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:26,480 three or four bars or clubs that I knew of. 258 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:28,080 There was Gateways. 259 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:34,640 And I think there was, like, that Kenric Society for, 260 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:37,600 you know, the rich women of Kensington and Richmond 261 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:40,400 which, obviously, didn't apply to me. 262 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:43,160 You'd get your dole on Thursday 263 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:45,600 and you'd spent it by Friday night. 264 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:48,360 We made our own entertainment, really. 265 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:51,160 I used to DJ when I was in the army, out of desperation. 266 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:54,680 I knew a good party. 267 00:15:57,200 --> 00:15:59,760 We called it Sistermatic. 268 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:03,880 And the club was run by four black women - 269 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:07,160 four very, very different black women - and before we knew it, 270 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:09,920 it'd kind of blown up into this amazing party. 271 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:13,440 We played a lot of lovers rock, 272 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:16,760 reggae and dance-hall sort of music. 273 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:22,920 And we took it on a journey, 274 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:25,560 so we played house music in its early format. 275 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:26,800 Well, I did. 276 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:29,400 And, yeah, between me and Lorna, 277 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:31,960 who was one of the other DJs in the collective, 278 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:35,640 we could play from ten o'clock till ten o'clock next morning. 279 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:39,840 I started to see a rise 280 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:41,880 in the number of Asian women that would come. 281 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:45,080 Lots of different younger black women coming through. 282 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:47,360 So, we had a whole scope of people 283 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:49,360 dancing to the same sort of music. 284 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:50,880 You had your, kind of, 285 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:54,680 Greenham-Common-looking feminist. 286 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:58,880 You had your, kind of, S and M dykes on bikes kind of thing. 287 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:01,640 And there was quite a few of them. 288 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:04,200 MUSIC: Sister George by Sister George 289 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:10,720 Let's see those Black Widows tattoos. 290 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:12,440 LAUGHTER 291 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:14,600 Hi! 292 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:32,680 FISCH: The lesbian motorbike group was the Black Widows. 293 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:38,160 There was about - I don't know - 20 of us, 30 of us. 294 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:42,640 And, um, we used to go on runs. 295 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:47,000 We've all got crash helmets, so nobody can tell who we are. 296 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:48,960 You know, and you see people going, "Oh, my God!" 297 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:50,480 Then we'd get off our motorbikes, 298 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:52,960 take off our crash helmets and it's like... "Oh, it's women! 299 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:55,720 "Let's go!" 300 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:01,240 A lot of the motorbiking lesbians I'd met 301 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:04,000 used to go to the Bell so, obviously, I went to the Bell. 302 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:12,240 -The Bell was the only truly mixed place 303 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:13,960 for lesbians and gays, you know. 304 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:16,160 The Bell... I mean, the Bell was crazy. 305 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:20,040 Glue-sniffing. Drugs. 306 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:21,400 Too much booze. 307 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:22,480 Fights. 308 00:18:25,120 --> 00:18:27,440 There were skinheads there but I... 309 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:29,600 I think the thing was, cos I had a Mohican at the time 310 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:31,680 and I used to work out a lot, I had a stance. 311 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:33,160 You know, I had an attitude. 312 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:42,040 And there were some beautiful women there as well, 313 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:44,880 so it was just like, "What's not to like?" 314 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:47,280 People like Sinead O'Connor would go there 315 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:50,160 and nick our style. Yes, she did. 316 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:56,280 TRILL: Wednesday night, it was meant to be women's night. 317 00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:58,240 I remember the very first time we went, 318 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:00,120 it was completely dead. 319 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:02,320 The music was just bland and awful. 320 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:06,840 So we thought, "We can do better than this - 321 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:09,520 "let's try and get a night here and get some second-hand vinyl 322 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:11,720 "and, you know, be creative." 323 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:16,720 The Sleeze Sisters, the monumental Sleeze Sisters, 324 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:18,720 Trill and Pom. 325 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:21,160 They played everything that I wanted to hear. 326 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:34,920 One of the first serious bands I was in, Mouth Almighty, 327 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:37,120 one of our first gigs was actually at the Bell. 328 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:40,480 There were loads of lesbian bands on the scene. 329 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:43,160 How could I could I forget the Brixton legends that were 330 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:44,600 the Sluts from Outer Space? 331 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:47,480 MUSIC: Queer Riot by Sluts from Outer Space 332 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:51,080 "Dykes get a lot of trouble cos we don't suck their dicks. 333 00:19:51,120 --> 00:19:53,640 "Why don't we get together and throw some fucking bricks?" 334 00:19:56,360 --> 00:19:59,400 ♪ Dykes get a lot of trouble cos we don't suck their dicks 335 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:02,400 ♪ Why don't we get together and throw some fucking bricks? ♪ 336 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:05,280 A - you couldn't be a woman in a band. 337 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:07,800 B - you couldn't be a women-only band. 338 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:09,680 C - you couldn't be lesbians. 339 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:13,400 So, you know, on all commercial fronts, we were fucked. 340 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:14,880 But we didn't care - we just did it. 341 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:16,800 ♪ Queer riot 342 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:17,960 ♪ We want a riot 343 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:19,360 ♪ Queer riot 344 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:20,840 ♪ Want a riot of our own. ♪ 345 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:27,880 That's the first time I came to London, just to find a band. 346 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:31,520 We got to organise this big concert 347 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:35,200 in the Fabrik in Hamburg, which is this big music venue. 348 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:38,040 They said, "This doesn't actually exist. 349 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:40,120 "There aren't women bands to play there." 350 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:41,440 And I said, "You must be joking. 351 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:43,800 "We will find them, bring them here and they will play." 352 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:49,720 So, I came in December 1986. 353 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:57,800 I mean, on this Monday evening 354 00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:01,760 is kind of when my life really totally changed. 355 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:03,360 It was... It was amazing. 356 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:07,040 I met these Finnish women that were visiting. 357 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:09,200 Seija was telling me she wanted to start 358 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:11,480 this women's S and M club in London. 359 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:14,360 I was really fascinated with the idea 360 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:16,960 and I was also very fascinated with Seija, I have to admit. 361 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:18,720 She was very gorgeous-looking. 362 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:22,160 Tall. They were wearing this uniform - caps, 363 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:25,800 these long military coats, big boots and very... 364 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:29,000 She was very passionate about her ideas and I loved that. 365 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:35,160 We had already been running a club called Extasy in Finland 366 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:39,080 since 1985, doing the kind of things 367 00:21:39,120 --> 00:21:42,240 with arts, pornography and SM. 368 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:45,040 And we always mixed those three things together. 369 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:52,800 There were lots of trans people there and lesbian mothers 370 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:55,280 and there were bisexuals and androgynous people, 371 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:56,840 like how we called ourselves. 372 00:21:56,880 --> 00:22:00,400 It was kind of, like, a really open queer group 373 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:02,840 and it attracted people who were artist-minded 374 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:06,160 and who were really free. Free in their will. 375 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:09,440 BAYA: She was an artist but she wanted to also 376 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:12,560 bring sex into art or art into sex. 377 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:15,360 MUSIC: Primal Bond by Tapanda Re 378 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:48,800 Chain Reaction had had a real build-up 379 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:50,760 from women all over the place. Some were saying, 380 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:52,320 "Oh, no, you don't want to go there. 381 00:22:52,360 --> 00:22:54,320 "Don't... You know... Dodgy lot of women." 382 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:04,080 And then other women saying, 383 00:23:04,120 --> 00:23:06,680 "Oh!" You know, "You've got to go, you've got to go." 384 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,400 FISCH: I knew you had to wear a dress code 385 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:16,120 and I had a leather jacket 386 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:17,640 and I had Dr Marten boots. 387 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:19,480 So I thought, "Oh, that'll do." 388 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:22,880 So I went and, you know, I paid my pound and I got in 389 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:26,120 and I was just so scared of meeting anybody 390 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:27,720 and I thought it was gonna be... 391 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:29,800 You know, I didn't really have an understanding 392 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:31,200 of what happened there. 393 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:37,960 We would arrive at about nine o'clock. 394 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,240 I think we opened about ten. 395 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:43,120 And we would have our tool of choice, 396 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:45,560 which was a roll of black bin liners, and then we would 397 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:48,240 cover up all the windows with black bin liners. 398 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:49,720 That was all the decorating we did, 399 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:52,200 was just covering up the windows. 400 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,520 There was a back room, where... That was almost like 401 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:56,800 a culture of its own, actually, the pool room. 402 00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:58,880 Sometimes you'd wander in with your rubber dress, 403 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:00,840 trying to attract a butch's attention. 404 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:02,960 -Everybody was very busy, of course, coming there 405 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:04,800 and looking very cool in their leathers, 406 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:06,960 and finding people to have sex with. 407 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,440 But the cabaret was a bit like the highlight. 408 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,560 I had seen maybe one Monty Python film 409 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:23,160 and when I saw the first cabaret at Chain Reaction, 410 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:24,840 that's what it reminded me of. 411 00:24:26,360 --> 00:24:29,960 It was so bad it was good. 412 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:44,800 We had things like mud wrestling - yes, I did that. 413 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,280 THEY YELL 414 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:53,640 CHEERING 415 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:58,440 Baby-oil wrestling - yes, I did that. 416 00:25:08,120 --> 00:25:11,320 Spaghetti-hoop wrestling - no, I didn't do that. 417 00:25:11,360 --> 00:25:14,440 Spaghetti, which we haven't actually forgiven Baya for. 418 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:17,800 -Spaghetti? -Spaghetti. 419 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:21,400 BAYA: I could just really fancy 420 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,960 having ketchup poured all over me 421 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:25,520 and have it, sort of, run over me. 422 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:27,480 I thought that'd be quite theatrical. 423 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:37,000 -I got to be the person who did a lot of the cabarets, 424 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:40,600 because I was quite excited about getting fucked in public. 425 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:43,560 My name, in those days, was Jane Campbell, 426 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:47,120 and I was known as Jane, Jane, Queen of Pain. 427 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:54,080 When I was a kid, I had behavioural stuff 428 00:25:54,120 --> 00:25:55,360 about attention seeking. 429 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:57,760 They used to call it attention-seeking behaviour. 430 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:00,000 And, you know, I was actually quite a lonely kid. 431 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,160 But anyway, it developed into a kind of sexuality, 432 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,880 and I was very ashamed of wanting sex all the time. 433 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:09,800 You know, that slut-shaming thing that goes on about, 434 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,520 if you love sex there's something wrong with you. 435 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:14,840 And, yeah, I just got loved and all my friends 436 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,520 were really accepting of it and indulgent of it, 437 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:19,120 and I learned to love it myself. 438 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:20,440 Love that part of myself. 439 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:26,640 I was crucified to a cross, 440 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:29,840 er, tied to a motorbike, er... 441 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,040 It was just thrilling. My eyes popped. 442 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,600 A lot in leather. Just really sharp-looking. 443 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,120 You were allowed to be butch and femme, 444 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,840 but not in the old-fashioned '50s way, 445 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,480 which is kind of the image we had behind us. 446 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:21,200 Depends how far we go back but there was that whole... 447 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:24,040 pre-Chain Reaction thing which was really, kind of, 448 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,200 about butch and femme and looking like 449 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,200 a straight man and a straight woman. 450 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:30,520 Because if you were able to pull that off, 451 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:33,960 you could walk past a homophobe and they wouldn't clock you. 452 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,120 So what that was the idea behind butch and femme. 453 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:39,200 Especially if you wanted to be a bit tarty, 454 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:42,440 you were better off with a really, really butch woman, 455 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:44,800 because then you really did pass for straight. 456 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,800 I could wear lipstick and I could be girlie. 457 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:54,120 I could wear heels 458 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:55,760 but I wasn't buying into 459 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:57,960 the straight world at all. 460 00:27:58,000 --> 00:27:59,920 Which I would never have done. 461 00:27:59,960 --> 00:28:02,600 So, yeah, it felt like a freeing. 462 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,760 DEL: There were very few safe spaces. 463 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:12,520 And at Chain Reaction, 464 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:16,240 it was a space for femme dykes to be femme. 465 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:20,320 Another thing about Chain Reaction 466 00:28:20,360 --> 00:28:23,520 which was very different for lesbian clubs of the time 467 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:25,560 was that it was trans-inclusive. 468 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,360 Little did I know that, you know, 469 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,000 some years later I would identify 470 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,440 as both trans and intersex. 471 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:36,920 ROZ: I mean, this was the '80s. 472 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:42,200 Trans people identified as lesbian or bi, 473 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:46,280 tended to be very deeply in the closet about it - 474 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:50,040 both because of getting access to surgery 475 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,600 and drugs from the gatekeeping doctors, 476 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,240 and because people were led to believe 477 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,240 it was unacceptable on the scene. 478 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,560 Compared with every other lesbian scene in London, 479 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:05,000 Chain Reaction was comparatively accepting 480 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:06,200 of trans women. 481 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:12,400 The same month that I actually transitioned, 482 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,680 The Transsexual Empire was published in London, 483 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:16,720 which was demanding the expulsion 484 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:20,000 of all trans people from all women's spaces. 485 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,000 So, having a place to go 486 00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:41,080 where being trans wasn't... 487 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,040 an absolute no-no... 488 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:46,200 ..was very, very cool. 489 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,440 Chain Reaction - I don't know how long it lasted, but... 490 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,520 maybe it was only a couple of years or so. But it really... 491 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,240 It really created an incredible bond between us. 492 00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:58,520 We hung out together... 493 00:29:58,560 --> 00:29:59,920 in a big house. 494 00:29:59,960 --> 00:30:01,960 MUSIC: Soray by Tapanda Re 495 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:09,200 LULU: There were three houses of lesbians, 496 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,160 all, you know, like, almost in a row. 497 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:15,760 -There were just lesbians stuffed into every room. 498 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,480 There was, like, I don't know, maybe about six rooms 499 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:20,680 but there'd be 18 people living there. 500 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:28,960 There'd always be a menagerie of animals. 501 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,120 Rats, terrapins, dogs - 502 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:33,640 everything. 503 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:35,400 Cats, obviously. 504 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:48,120 It was a real creative time. I mean, everybody was... 505 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,160 You know, people were either taking photographs 506 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:54,640 or, you know, writing or making art or doing theatre. 507 00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:58,760 The scene was...different. 508 00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:00,520 It was a lot more intimate. 509 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:03,600 DEL: Everybody sleeping with everybody else. 510 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:05,040 FISCH: That thing in The L Word, 511 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,120 where they've got that big chart at the beginning - 512 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,880 they nicked that off us. That was our idea. 513 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,080 It was like a lesbian soap. 514 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,600 And there was one woman on there who was incredibly cute 515 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,240 and she pretty much slept with everybody, 516 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,520 and so they make this big chart with her name in the middle 517 00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:22,600 and then, like, arrows going off 518 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:24,160 to all the people she'd slept with 519 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,920 and then all the people they'd slept with. 520 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,000 We loved each other and then we loved people 521 00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:30,560 who loved our lovers, 522 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:33,000 so why wouldn't we want to shag them as well, then? 523 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:39,640 DEL: Jane and I had exactly the same taste in butchness. 524 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,800 So, really, I had great fun for years 525 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,880 playing "nab that butch". 526 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,320 You know, Jane would see, and if Jane saw me 527 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:50,880 being interested in somebody, you know, 528 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:55,320 we had a real fierce friendly competition. 529 00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:58,760 She usually won. 530 00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:00,440 We loved each other. 531 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,200 It was one big happy shaggy family. 532 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:07,840 BAYA: Originally, I come from East Germany. 533 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:10,560 When I was 17, my family escaped to West Germany. 534 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:12,840 My father, he had real problems in East Germany. 535 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,480 He was put in prison as a political prisoner 536 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:16,840 for two and a half years. 537 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:18,040 I knew if I stayed on my own, 538 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,640 I would have a lot of repercussions of them escaping. 539 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:24,360 I found it really difficult to fit in in the West 540 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:25,880 and I had quite a... 541 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,320 My parents left and lived somewhere else. 542 00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:30,560 I was on my own, and feeling quite lonely. 543 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,680 When I came to London, I was single for quite a while. 544 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,440 What really saved me was the women that I met 545 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:38,280 and who I made friends with. 546 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:39,880 That became my family. 547 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:41,680 That was something that was lasting. 548 00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:43,520 There were people... 549 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:46,040 that loved me and that I loved. 550 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:08,400 -Our birth families had rejected us, basically. 551 00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,920 So we would get together at Christmas... 552 00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:16,600 This one Christmas, I think we had 26 women 553 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:17,760 for Christmas dinner. 554 00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,320 BAYA: So, we'd wake up in the morning, 555 00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:27,680 everybody would be in jimjams and we'd have Bucks fizz. 556 00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,080 -I think we all got drunk before 11 o'clock. 557 00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:41,520 -Mountains of presents that we all just gave each other. 558 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:43,520 We spent all day just unwrapping presents 559 00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:46,200 and, of course, we'd have to have a turkey. 560 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:49,800 Baya fisted the turkey and everyone watched. 561 00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:51,000 Had this enormous turkey. 562 00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,240 It was so big, it wouldn't fit in our tiny little oven. 563 00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:55,800 Probably had taken some acid in the afternoon 564 00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:57,800 to go with the buck's fizz. And then about eight 565 00:33:57,840 --> 00:33:59,640 in the evening, everyone went, "Oh, my God - 566 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,480 "we've got a turkey. We need to put it in the oven." 567 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:04,840 So I started, you know, mixing the apples, 568 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:06,760 onions, breadcrumbs, stuffing. 569 00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:13,000 As I was stuffing the turkey, I just so tripped out. 570 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,240 As if I was in a different galaxy, 571 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:21,640 where having sex with a turkey 572 00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:24,360 was a perfectly fine thing to do. It was weird. 573 00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,920 MUSIC: Wrapped Up In Sex by Mouth Almighty 574 00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:43,960 SEIJA: It was like our little own fantasy world. 575 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,400 ♪ I have got 576 00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:48,440 ♪ No, no, no regrets 577 00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:51,680 ♪ I don't need 578 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:54,280 ♪ A permanent lover... ♪ 579 00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:00,440 We were decorating only with black plastic, you know, 580 00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,360 and all black stuff. So I had this idea that tonight 581 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,480 I'd do something really nice and soft 582 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:08,600 and I went to Waterloo flower market in the morning 583 00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:10,920 to pick up flowers that had been left on the floor. 584 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,120 And we had a huge amount of flowers 585 00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:16,080 and we took them to the club and we were putting them up 586 00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:18,760 everywhere, when we heard a knock on the door. 587 00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:22,440 They were all covered in the face - 588 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:23,840 we couldn't recognise them. 589 00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,440 With sticks and bars and shit. 590 00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:28,560 And they had crowbars and axes. 591 00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:30,000 Mashing up the bar, 592 00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:33,440 hitting some of the women who were there, 593 00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,320 and just screeching about violence against women. 594 00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:39,400 And, finally, the woman behind the bar, 595 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,640 she started screaming out really loud. 596 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,680 It was an organisation called Wavaw. 597 00:35:47,720 --> 00:35:51,240 Women Against Violence Against Women. 598 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,800 It was a group called Women Against Women 599 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,360 Who Are Into Sadomasochism. 600 00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:57,640 It was like, er, 601 00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:00,640 Lesbians Against Violence Against Women 602 00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:02,160 standing outside. 603 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:05,040 And they would sit outside the club 604 00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,600 and hiss to everybody who came in. 605 00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:10,040 MUSIC: Life - No by the Petticoats 606 00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:23,200 ♪ All those people in the dole queues 607 00:36:23,240 --> 00:36:24,920 ♪ All those businessmen in the... ♪ 608 00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:26,480 I was brought up as a socialist - 609 00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:28,200 I was never to cross a picket line. 610 00:36:28,240 --> 00:36:30,200 I had to cross my first picket line 611 00:36:30,240 --> 00:36:32,640 because they were trying to stop us from going in. 612 00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:36,320 And I knew some of those women. 613 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:43,000 So, the women that I took to Greenham 614 00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,560 ended up being some of the women 615 00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,080 that picketed Chain Reaction on the first night. 616 00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,400 One of my performances did get stormed, actually, 617 00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:56,600 by some of those women. 618 00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:01,040 I had my friend in the audience, 619 00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,160 who came and volunteered. 620 00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:06,400 She had to pick things out of a bag and I would say, 621 00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:08,320 "How would you like me to use this you?" 622 00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,480 But she was blindfolded, you know, and had to touch things, 623 00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:15,600 and ended up with her on all fours, tied up, 624 00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:21,400 and hot wax started and it just went absolutely crazy. 625 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,280 Because a whole load of women stormed the stage, 626 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,440 trying to beat us up. 627 00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:28,640 They didn't realise it was a whole set-up - that it was 628 00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,280 playing with this idea of, how far can you push things? 629 00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:35,120 And almost putting a mirror up to oneself and others. 630 00:37:36,720 --> 00:37:39,200 Then there was a huge debate, with some of the other women 631 00:37:39,240 --> 00:37:41,440 saying, "What the hell are you doing? You can't go and 632 00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:43,960 "attack women for this. You don't know even the context." 633 00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:58,240 I understood that they perceived SM 634 00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:02,720 as aping or copying domestic violence relationships. 635 00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:04,760 SEIJA: That there is blood in your hands 636 00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:07,360 and there's a man in your head and you're violent. 637 00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:15,400 When we were beating each other and cutting each other, 638 00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,160 it took the power away from that thing. 639 00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:21,080 Somehow we felt much more like we could survive a beating. 640 00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:28,480 Even though I knew a lot of these women 641 00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:30,880 were sweeties underneath, very often there was 642 00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,600 a kind of callousness displayed. 643 00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,280 DEL: I had ideological political differences 644 00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:47,240 with some of the women in Chain Reaction 645 00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:49,880 who wanted to enact Nazi fantasies 646 00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,600 or wear Nazi uniforms to the club. 647 00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:56,480 And that was the line you do not cross. 648 00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:58,040 I did not want to be part of that 649 00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:01,080 and I argued fiercely against it and I won. 650 00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:03,360 TYPEWRITERS CLACK 651 00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:09,080 We got denounced in the London Women's Liberation newsletter, 652 00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:13,240 for wearing instruments of torture and Nazi regalia, 653 00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,160 which was, like, a little over the top. 654 00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,920 Never worn a swastika in my life, shout at people who do. 655 00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:19,440 But, you know, we got denounced 656 00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:23,320 for wearing a Muir cap and a biker jacket. 657 00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:27,200 A hugely political thing, wearing a leather jacket, 658 00:39:27,240 --> 00:39:29,200 as a lesbian. 659 00:39:29,240 --> 00:39:30,920 You were a Nazi if you did. 660 00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,720 MUSIC: Rococo Subversive by Sister George 661 00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,160 CHANTING 662 00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:55,640 CHEERING 663 00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:04,440 We at Chain Reaction, on the contrary, 664 00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,400 work towards a mutual and equal power exchange 665 00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:09,920 based on the principle of consent. 666 00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:12,840 Lesbian S and M is a woman's right to say "no" 667 00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:14,920 and her choice to say "yes". 668 00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:19,120 DEBBIE: There was a great big talk about the lesbian scene 669 00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:22,480 and sexuality, and we went down - 670 00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:24,800 the Bell dykes and the Chain Reaction dykes - 671 00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:27,160 in our leather and Muir caps 672 00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:30,200 and, you know, chains and what have you, 673 00:40:30,240 --> 00:40:34,120 and sat there clanking away in the seats, 674 00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:38,720 listening to people talking about how wrong S and M was. 675 00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,080 ANDERSON: Despite attempts at sexual repression, 676 00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:44,760 both within and outside the gay community, 677 00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:47,400 Chain Reaction continues to be successful 678 00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:50,040 because we encourage women to explore their sexual fantasies, 679 00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:53,400 to be themselves and to make each other feel good. 680 00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:55,240 We work to create an atmosphere 681 00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,320 that is safe and non-judgemental. 682 00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:02,040 Everybody had completely 683 00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:03,720 lost their sense of humour by this time. 684 00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,400 Lesbian dykes are being told that they're fascist 685 00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:13,840 and they're perverted and they're male oriented. 686 00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:15,520 I mean, that's what needs to stop 687 00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:17,880 and I think that's what we need to talk about. 688 00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,240 Linda Bellos, I think it was, 689 00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:27,240 said that if she saw a black woman with handcuffs on 690 00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,440 it reminded her of slavery and she thought that they were 691 00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:33,400 diminishing themselves and their ancestors. 692 00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:36,040 And at that point, I was, sort of, 693 00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:38,960 getting nudged by people sitting next to me, 694 00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:41,560 and I stood up and I was like, "Well, I'm black 695 00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:44,800 "and I wear a leather jacket and I've got chains, so..." 696 00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:46,640 And then I sat down again. 697 00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:48,080 So, that was my... 698 00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:51,680 My immense contribution to the conversation. 699 00:41:51,720 --> 00:41:54,800 But, you know, I think even just that little thing 700 00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:58,560 did actually make a bit of a difference because, 701 00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,120 you know, it just showed that you can't generalise 702 00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:03,320 and you can't say that 703 00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:06,560 what I believe has to be what you believe. 704 00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:09,480 As far as I know, my experience of women involved 705 00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:10,920 or defining themselves as S and M 706 00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,240 or interested in exploring role-play and sexuality 707 00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:15,480 in general, are absolutely anti-racist, 708 00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:19,200 anti-sexist, anti-fascist and... 709 00:42:20,240 --> 00:42:21,960 What we're doing, basically, 710 00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:25,600 is trying to play with all these symbols - 711 00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:28,400 and they are symbols, and they are very powerful symbols - 712 00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:30,440 of oppression and violence, 713 00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:33,360 as opposed to being, ourselves, oppressive and violent. 714 00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:35,360 It's not "anybody can do anything to anybody 715 00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:37,640 "whenever they like, whether it's violent or not". 716 00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:40,440 It's not about that. It's a very structured thing. 717 00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:43,040 There are certain rules within that anarchy. 718 00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:47,640 The issues about S and M and lesbians really arose 719 00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:51,080 because of arguments within feminism. 720 00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:54,240 And those happened right from the '70s upwards. 721 00:42:56,240 --> 00:42:58,360 When I came out in the mid-'70s, 722 00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,400 I felt like I was a bit of a second-class lesbian, 723 00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:03,120 cos I was a lesbian out of lust and not out of politics. 724 00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:06,640 I have quite a lot of vanilla sex. 725 00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:08,200 -What is vanilla sex? -Um... 726 00:43:08,240 --> 00:43:09,800 -What is it? -What is it? 727 00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:11,880 Well... I don't know. Maybe you should define what 728 00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:14,040 vanilla sex is, cos you say you're a hot vanilla dyke. 729 00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:16,280 I think it's fantastic that you're a hot vanilla dyke. 730 00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:18,120 ..a lovely ice cream or a... 731 00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:19,680 CHEERING AND APPLAUSE 732 00:43:19,720 --> 00:43:21,440 I just wanna say one other thing... 733 00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:26,400 CHATTER DROWNS SPEAKER 734 00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:27,600 ..attack. 735 00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:29,440 No, I don't. I just said to you... 736 00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:31,520 Can we listen to what's being said? 737 00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:38,160 That's basically what the whole lesbian scene was 738 00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,280 around the '80s. It was a... 739 00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:44,440 hugely homogenised view of lesbian society, 740 00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:48,440 in which you had to be wearing pastel colours and dungarees 741 00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:52,680 and going to Greenham and wear Birkenstocks. 742 00:43:52,720 --> 00:43:55,040 And we did not want to do that. 743 00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:57,360 That's why we were the rebel dykes, you know. 744 00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:59,440 We wanted to do what we wanted to do. 745 00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:01,360 We came out of punk. 746 00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:04,920 You know, we came out of art school. We were musicians. 747 00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:06,680 We were artists. 748 00:44:06,720 --> 00:44:09,000 We didn't want to do, necessarily, 749 00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:11,440 what everyone else wanted to do. 750 00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:13,400 You don't look like a bunch of dykes - 751 00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:15,240 you look like a bunch of poofs. 752 00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:17,760 CHEERING 753 00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:20,960 That kind of "every woman can be a lesbian", 754 00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:23,280 which started as a political theory, 755 00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:25,840 ended up as a kind of rule of thumb, and then we started 756 00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:28,160 making more and more rules for ourselves 757 00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:31,360 about what you had to do to be a proper lesbian. 758 00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:33,040 And there started to be all these rules 759 00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:35,000 about what you did and didn't do in bed. 760 00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:38,400 Penetrative sex was wrong, and any kind of 761 00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:41,160 dominance and submission games were wrong. 762 00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:43,240 Any kind of role-playing was wrong. 763 00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:46,440 And that's where the hatred of SM dykes 764 00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:50,000 by the mainstream lesbian feminist movement came from 765 00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:51,720 and it was never the twain shall meet. 766 00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:54,920 And it came out of really genuine concerns in things 767 00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:57,800 like Women's Aid and stuff like that about male violence 768 00:44:57,840 --> 00:44:59,560 but it got transmogrified into, 769 00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:01,560 essentially, the lesbian sex police. 770 00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:06,920 -There was this joke back in the day 771 00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:09,560 that the authentic version of lesbian sex 772 00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:12,640 was holding hands in 20 passionate positions. 773 00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:18,120 Because it was the only way that you could possibly 774 00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:20,400 remove all inequality. 775 00:45:21,720 --> 00:45:23,800 You can't go around telling people 776 00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:25,840 who they're allowed to have sex with 777 00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:28,440 or how they're allowed to have sex. 778 00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:32,800 LISA: I think there were quite a lot of women 779 00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:34,960 who got labelled S and M dykes 780 00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:38,480 who probably did very little S and M activity in bed. 781 00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:40,040 But I swear a lot of people joined in 782 00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:42,000 cos they were having more fun. 783 00:45:43,720 --> 00:45:46,640 ♪ Does it fuck you off 784 00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:49,840 ♪ When dykes strap on? 785 00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:55,160 ♪ "They're taking over our clubs!" 786 00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:58,520 ♪ Does it fuck you off? 787 00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:09,280 ♪ Drag king! ♪ 788 00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:12,520 I honestly believed that we could actually win 789 00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:15,320 fights and battles and it was up for grabs. 790 00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:17,200 They were not gonna take it from us 791 00:46:17,240 --> 00:46:19,160 and they were not gonna tell us what to do. 792 00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:21,800 So I think the anti-censorship battle 793 00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:24,640 was one of those battles that they weren't gonna be able 794 00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:27,680 to tell us what we could and couldn't read. 795 00:46:27,720 --> 00:46:30,200 Particularly when it was about our own sexuality 796 00:46:30,240 --> 00:46:31,720 and our own identity. 797 00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,280 And, unfortunately for the radical feminists, 798 00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:35,920 they picked the wrong side 799 00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:37,920 when they went against pornography 800 00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:40,360 and they went against people's own sexuality. 801 00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:43,120 They were just, like, so off message. 802 00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:45,360 Because the bottom line was, 803 00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:48,000 "We love women. We really love women." 804 00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:01,680 -Quim was a lesbian magazine 805 00:47:01,720 --> 00:47:04,280 for dykes of all sexual persuasions. 806 00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:07,600 The first issue was on penetration 807 00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:09,200 and we asked questions about 808 00:47:09,240 --> 00:47:11,320 what your experience of penetration was. 809 00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:14,480 Cos at the time, it was a bit of a no-no. 810 00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:17,080 Obviously, a lot of us were doing it 811 00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:21,080 but there was a whole politics around it. 812 00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:23,320 So we thought, well, we'll just say, 813 00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:25,480 "What is it for you? How does it feel for you?" 814 00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:28,360 And the idea was to give everybody 815 00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:30,240 their voice and their say. 816 00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:38,560 When I first came out, 817 00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:40,720 and first, you know, 818 00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:42,840 found out about dildos, essentially, 819 00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:45,320 we were lucky if we could get black rubber dildos. 820 00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:47,200 But they always had balls on them. 821 00:47:47,240 --> 00:47:50,040 So, of course, all the lesbians would chop off the balls. 822 00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:52,280 And they were really quite ugly. And then, of course, 823 00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:54,360 you couldn't keep them held in very well. 824 00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:57,040 So there were always chopped-off, lobbed-off bits. 825 00:47:58,240 --> 00:47:59,840 And then when I moved to San Francisco, 826 00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:03,920 my first dildo, I bought at Good Vibrations. 827 00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:08,400 And not very hygienic but it was a leather one. 828 00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:10,600 But it didn't have balls, so it was the first one 829 00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:12,800 we'd ever seen that didn't have balls. 830 00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:15,080 So that was my first one. 831 00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:18,400 Then, of course, coming back to London. 832 00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:22,440 And Ky Hoyle, who is the MD of Sh!, 833 00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:24,280 she is also a rebel dyke 834 00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:27,520 and Sh! was born out of this period when we were saying, 835 00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:29,360 "We don't wanna be dictated to 836 00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:33,400 "about how we should be having sex. 837 00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:35,560 "We don't want people to tell us what to do. 838 00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:40,160 "It's women's right to decide on their own sexuality." 839 00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:44,520 And very much that we don't want penises. 840 00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:46,200 You know, we do want penetration 841 00:48:46,240 --> 00:48:47,560 but we don't want penises. 842 00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:50,440 So, Sh! started making dildos - 843 00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:53,680 ball-free, un-penis-like dildos - 844 00:48:53,720 --> 00:48:56,600 which sort of revolutionised, really. 845 00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:59,360 Lesbians then could actually finally 846 00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:01,520 get hold of things that they wanted. 847 00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:04,120 MUSIC: Wrapped Up In Sex by Mouth Almighty 848 00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:14,920 With my girlfriend at the time, 849 00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:18,080 I ran the first mail-order sex-toy business 850 00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:20,160 by lesbians for women, we always said. 851 00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:21,920 And it was called Thrilling Bits. 852 00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:25,080 Which was terrific, because I was able to stand up on a chair 853 00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:26,600 at places like Fallen Angel and go, 854 00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:28,840 "I'm one of the women with Thrilling Bits." 855 00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:32,160 We imported terrific stuff from San Francisco, 856 00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:34,840 which was a bit hairy because customs didn't like it. 857 00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:36,880 And so, we had to name all these things, 858 00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:38,720 because we weren't gonna give them the names 859 00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:40,560 they had in the straight catalogues, 860 00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:42,120 which were all really sleazy. 861 00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:45,560 So we named them after famous lesbians 862 00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:49,120 or women we thought ought to be lesbians, were icons. 863 00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:52,480 So, we had a Dusty. We had other things like that. 864 00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:56,200 And our sense of humour got the better of us again. 865 00:49:56,240 --> 00:49:58,320 And so we called our smallest, 866 00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:00,920 most inoffensive vibrator 867 00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:04,280 the Sheila, after Sheila Jeffreys, 868 00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:08,600 a radical feminist separatist, who went through the roof. 869 00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:12,480 One of the things we sold - and we sold quite a lot of - 870 00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:16,040 were dental dams, and they were actually squares of latex 871 00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:19,640 and you were supposed to use them for cunnilingus. 872 00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:21,680 So if you were going down on your girlfriend, 873 00:50:21,720 --> 00:50:23,520 you would put this between you and her 874 00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:25,520 and it was the equivalent of a condom, 875 00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:28,000 except they were thicker than condoms, 876 00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:31,360 they used to come covered in medical talcum powder, 877 00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:33,800 so you had to wash them before you went anywhere. 878 00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:36,440 People tried to manufacture, sort of, 879 00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:39,440 little harnesses for them, like those things you used to have 880 00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:41,760 with sanitary towels in the '60s. 881 00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:43,880 It was these strange harnesses. 882 00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:45,320 People tried all those things 883 00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:46,880 but it was completely pointless, 884 00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:50,760 cos it's very, very, very difficult indeed 885 00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:52,320 to pass HIV through cunnilingus. 886 00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:54,800 But we weren't entirely certain about that at the time. 887 00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:56,040 Like, people used to put them 888 00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:58,440 on their coffee tables as discussion. 889 00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:03,000 I was actually running this business at the same time 890 00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:06,680 that I was helping to found the Stonewall Group, 891 00:51:06,720 --> 00:51:09,280 as we called it then - Stonewall now. 892 00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:11,440 And we would have meetings in my living room 893 00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:14,240 and I remember one time, we'd just had a shipment of stuff 894 00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:17,320 from America and we got out the dental dams 895 00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:19,160 and the lesbian-porn magazines - 896 00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:20,960 On Our Backs and all that stuff - 897 00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:23,120 and showed it to everyone who was there. 898 00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:25,560 And Stonewall was mixed - lesbian and gay - 899 00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:29,440 and I remember the group passed this dental dam around, 900 00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:32,040 pretty much in two fingers from one to the other. 901 00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:34,760 And, God bless him, Ian McKellen looked at it, 902 00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:37,440 stretched it, pulled it about and went, "May I?" 903 00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:39,680 "Do what you like with it." He just pulled it to his mouth 904 00:51:39,720 --> 00:51:41,240 and stuck his tongue through it, 905 00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:43,560 and experimented with how it would actually be to use it. 906 00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:45,040 And I just thought, "Oh, God, 907 00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:47,080 "I wish I had a camera at the moment." 908 00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:48,920 You know, one of our great stage actors 909 00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:50,400 having fun with a dental dam. 910 00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:13,360 I had started photographing queer dyke life in 1982. 911 00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:19,240 Love Bites was created by a kind of sexual performativity. 912 00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:23,600 Instead of performing what was actually going on in the clubs, 913 00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:27,440 because we all wanted that to be a safe and private space, 914 00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:31,240 instead, we kind of created sexual happenings. 915 00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:37,120 We created, like, a lot of interest and intrigue 916 00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:41,200 in what we were doing, and we were performing for each other. 917 00:52:41,240 --> 00:52:44,040 At the time, the sex wars were raging. 918 00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:47,160 They were trying to exclude us. 919 00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:54,160 The radical lesbian separatists did still have 920 00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:56,320 quite a lot of power at that time. 921 00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:58,680 SOPHIE: Many book shops wouldn't stock it 922 00:52:58,720 --> 00:53:02,280 because they thought it wasn't feminist. 923 00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:04,840 And our argument was that we were women 924 00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:08,200 and this was our lives and we were feminists, 925 00:53:08,240 --> 00:53:11,360 and we may be experimenting with sexuality 926 00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:13,720 but that did not mean we weren't feminists. 927 00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:17,960 When Love Bites came out in 1991, 928 00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:21,240 they successfully excluded Love Bites 929 00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:23,600 from gay-and-lesbian book shops - 930 00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:27,800 in Silver Moon, Sisterwrite and Gay's The Word. 931 00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:34,560 When the book shop was opened, 932 00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:36,760 we were a lesbian, gay, feminist book shop. 933 00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:39,000 It was different from gay book shops in the past, 934 00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:40,640 which were book shops for men, 935 00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:43,200 where they could go and get erotic material. 936 00:53:43,240 --> 00:53:46,040 And this was a book shop set up by socialists 937 00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:47,480 and it was about ideas. 938 00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:52,680 So, gay politics and biography and history and coming out. 939 00:53:52,720 --> 00:53:54,600 And it wasn't about selling erotic magazines 940 00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:56,160 and we didn't sell them. 941 00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:57,880 You have to remember, this was also the era 942 00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:00,000 when Gay's The Word book shop in London 943 00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:02,920 was raided and seized. 944 00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:05,640 The case eventually collapsed in court 945 00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:07,600 but the police were trying to say things like 946 00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:10,360 The Joy Of Lesbian Sex was inherently pornographic 947 00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:11,680 and things like that. 948 00:54:11,720 --> 00:54:14,000 Stuff that would not have been pornographic 949 00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:16,400 amongst heterosexuals was definitely pornographic 950 00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:17,880 if it was lesbian. 951 00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:22,280 On Our Backs was a lesbian publication from San Francisco 952 00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:25,480 and it was essentially mostly soft - 953 00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:28,640 a little bit, occasionally, of hard - porn for lesbians. 954 00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:31,480 On Our Backs was definitely a banned publication. 955 00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:37,040 I started as photographic assistant 956 00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:39,520 and I went in there, sort of, 957 00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:42,440 on this mission to kind of change the look of it a bit. 958 00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:45,160 I felt like... 959 00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:49,200 the style of the photographs and the women 960 00:54:49,240 --> 00:54:52,600 was a bit old school and I wanted to, kind of, you know, 961 00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:54,760 get the newer, younger generation 962 00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:56,640 that was out there involved. 963 00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:58,360 LISA: It featured, actually, 964 00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:00,240 some of the English S and M dykes, 965 00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:03,680 and it was run partly by English women 966 00:55:03,720 --> 00:55:05,160 who'd gone out to San Francisco. 967 00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:08,560 And that's where I first met my London dykes, actually, 968 00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:13,800 and it was very early on in my employment there. 969 00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:17,960 And I first met, er, 970 00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:20,840 Seija from Finland. 971 00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:23,640 She came into the office one day 972 00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:28,000 and she had with her Baya and Aphra. 973 00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:32,040 And I saw these women and I was just kind of like, 974 00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:33,400 "Whoosh! Who are they? 975 00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:36,280 "OK. Pictures. I want to take pictures with them." 976 00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:43,840 I was, at the time, still back and forth between here 977 00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:46,640 and San Francisco and I still had On Our Backs. 978 00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:50,600 So I was working with Del La Grace. 979 00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:52,120 I love worked on Love Bites. 980 00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:54,600 I'd met Del in San Francisco 981 00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:57,600 and I interviewed Del for On Our Backs. 982 00:55:57,640 --> 00:55:59,760 We became really good friends 983 00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:02,280 and we've worked together ever since. 984 00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:04,840 JIM: One of the books that we didn't stock at the start 985 00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:07,520 was Love Bites when it came out. 986 00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:10,240 We were worried about it and we took legal advice - 987 00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:11,760 we had a big meeting about it. 988 00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:14,800 Cos there were a number of images in the book 989 00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:18,920 that we thought could make us liable to prosecution. 990 00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:21,120 But I have to say, Sisterwrite, 991 00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:23,520 which was the women-of-colour book shops, 992 00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:26,120 were the only ones who were honest enough to say, 993 00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:28,560 "We disapprove of the content. 994 00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:32,400 "We do not support, you know, lesbian SM." 995 00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:36,120 And we did this whole performance march 996 00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:39,160 against the censorship of Love Bites. 997 00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:43,640 I wasn't too worried about the obscene-publications squad. 998 00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:47,120 There was all sorts of rules, archaic rules, 999 00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:51,760 you know, to do with how erect a dildo can be. 1000 00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:56,120 It can only be... It has to be less than 45 degrees. 1001 00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:57,960 Really weird stuff. 1002 00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:01,480 I didn't expect to find myself in court 1003 00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:04,680 for an over-45-degree dildo. 1004 00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:08,200 It was an awful distraction, all of that stuff, 1005 00:57:08,240 --> 00:57:12,440 because, really, we wanted just to get on with the creativity - 1006 00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:14,560 exploring of what we were doing. 1007 00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:30,520 FISCH: And I think that started the realisation that this was 1008 00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:33,240 a backlash against people for their sexuality. 1009 00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:35,760 There was always this attempt to silence. 1010 00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:37,160 The Aids activism was... 1011 00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:40,000 "Silence equals death" was one of the slogans that we used, 1012 00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:42,040 because nobody recognised us 1013 00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:43,440 as a community 1014 00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:45,080 and having a voice at all. 1015 00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:50,040 -Act Up is the Aids Coalition to Unleash Power 1016 00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:52,680 and it's an Aids activist group, which I got involved in 1017 00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:57,080 after going to the '87 march on Washington 1018 00:57:57,120 --> 00:58:00,040 and seeing the Names Project be unfolded 1019 00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:03,720 and just standing there for hours, 1020 00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:06,360 hearing name after name after name. 1021 00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:18,160 In Act Up, we wanted to talk about women and Aids. 1022 00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:21,120 One of the things that was happening on the women's scene, 1023 00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:24,120 on the dyke scene, is that there was becoming a, sort of, 1024 00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:26,400 faction that was saying, 1025 00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:30,240 "Well, you know, we're lesbians - we don't get Aids," 1026 00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:32,200 who became very judgemental. 1027 00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:35,200 And so we needed to talk about behaviour - 1028 00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:38,000 that the virus was, you know, 1029 00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:42,840 passed by behaviour and not by identity, you know. 1030 00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:47,880 It was great, because it really did get people 1031 00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:51,160 talking about the nuts and bolts of, 1032 00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:53,160 you know, what we did. 1033 00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:55,840 You know, lesbians use IV drugs. 1034 00:58:57,320 --> 00:59:01,680 Lesbians are strippers and sex workers. 1035 00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:03,200 Erm... 1036 00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:06,840 And something that very few people talk about, but... 1037 00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:09,880 lesbians sometimes sleep with gay men. 1038 00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:12,600 And, you know, with men. But also with gay men. 1039 00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:15,760 The proximity - um... 1040 00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:18,840 And in those days, you know, drugs, party - 1041 00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:21,720 you know, things happen. 1042 00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:34,360 But I think particularly with sex workers it was an issue, 1043 00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:36,240 because there was... 1044 00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:39,160 From one faction, there was this whole attitude that, 1045 00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:43,440 you know, if you slept with men in any way, shape or form, 1046 00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:45,200 you were not a lesbian. 1047 01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:21,000 CHEERING AND APPLAUSE 1048 01:00:22,040 --> 01:00:26,120 Up until then, lesbians are not seen as particularly activist 1049 01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:29,480 and the gay-male scene was split between activist gays, 1050 01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:32,560 who all wore loads of badges and did gay volunteering 1051 01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:34,680 work for Switchboard or Friend or whatever, 1052 01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:37,440 and scene queens who went to Heaven and all those things, 1053 01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:39,360 and none of the groups got together. 1054 01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:41,440 And lesbians didn't mix much with gay men 1055 01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:43,640 and the two types of gay men didn't mix much. 1056 01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:47,600 Section 28, as well as HIV, brought us all together. 1057 01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:50,000 CHEERING 1058 01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:53,240 Section 28 of the Local Government Act 1059 01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:57,520 said that local authorities were not allowed 1060 01:00:57,560 --> 01:01:03,000 to promote homosexuality as a pretend family relationship. 1061 01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:04,640 And these are the sort of things 1062 01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:06,960 that made us rebel dykes. It wasn't we just woke up 1063 01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:09,040 one morning and goes, "Oh, let's be rebels." 1064 01:01:09,080 --> 01:01:11,480 We actually had things to rebel against. 1065 01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:18,520 My girlfriend in the late '70s, early '80s - 1066 01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:20,920 she'd left her husband to come and live with me 1067 01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:22,320 and brought her baby. 1068 01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:26,520 He took the baby and he never came back. 1069 01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:29,640 And we were both very distraught. 1070 01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:31,280 Like, "What's going on?" 1071 01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:34,280 This solicitor who we hired took the case to court 1072 01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:36,280 and the judge ruled in his favour 1073 01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:38,040 because we were lesbians! 1074 01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:41,720 That's why we were rebels. 1075 01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:45,120 Children who need to be taught to respect 1076 01:01:45,160 --> 01:01:47,440 traditional moral values 1077 01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:52,440 are being taught that they have an inalienable right to be gay. 1078 01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:55,320 -To have Margaret Thatcher's government come up with an idea 1079 01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:57,320 that your relationships were pretend 1080 01:01:57,360 --> 01:01:59,240 and that you should be silenced, 1081 01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:01,160 you shouldn't be allowed to be spoken of - 1082 01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:03,560 it was a really outraging feeling. 1083 01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:07,200 It was, you know, quite celebratory in the '80s. 1084 01:02:07,240 --> 01:02:09,320 There was a lot of fun and pleasure in it 1085 01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:11,360 and we'd moved on a lot, I think, from the kind of 1086 01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:14,120 '50s or '60s sense of people feeling a bit apologetic 1087 01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:16,800 about their sexuality, to feeling great about it. 1088 01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:23,480 Hi! We're all gay - it's great, innit? 1089 01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:25,440 LAUGHTER 1090 01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:29,400 We went on a lot of matches against clause 28. 1091 01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:33,560 It was horrifying, because I had so recently been at school 1092 01:02:33,600 --> 01:02:38,160 and then clause 28 was coming to really stop even teachers 1093 01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:40,960 being able to respond to a child 1094 01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:43,840 who might be in real danger. 1095 01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:47,400 Even if you've got nice parents, it's hard to come out. 1096 01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:49,720 So a teacher is the next port of call 1097 01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:51,920 and they weren't allowed to even listen 1098 01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:54,240 or even respond in any positive way. 1099 01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:57,400 It was just hor... We knew that it was dangerous. 1100 01:02:57,440 --> 01:02:59,880 We knew already that people killed themselves 1101 01:02:59,920 --> 01:03:02,920 because they needed to come out. 1102 01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:06,480 And then the government was telling teachers 1103 01:03:06,520 --> 01:03:07,960 that they can't be themselves. 1104 01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:09,400 It's relationships. 1105 01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:12,560 You can't start by being covered up 1106 01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:15,640 and being restricted and being scared. 1107 01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:18,280 -It was quite a pernicious idea 1108 01:03:18,320 --> 01:03:20,560 within this Local Government Act 1109 01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:23,320 that the promotion of homosexuality 1110 01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:25,280 should be outlawed in schools. 1111 01:03:25,320 --> 01:03:30,120 And in particular that schools should not be able to teach 1112 01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:33,000 what they called a pretended family relationship - 1113 01:03:33,040 --> 01:03:35,840 that having two lesbian mothers, for instance, 1114 01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:37,200 was actually a family, 1115 01:03:37,240 --> 01:03:39,080 but they were saying that's not a real family. 1116 01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:42,240 It felt like it was mainly gay people fighting it. 1117 01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:44,080 There were straight people fighting it 1118 01:03:44,120 --> 01:03:47,600 but I didn't feel like the media was supporting the fight. 1119 01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:49,800 Erm... 1120 01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:52,040 Yeah, it felt quite scary, 1121 01:03:52,080 --> 01:03:54,200 like that we weren't going to win. 1122 01:03:54,240 --> 01:03:56,680 We were talking to ourselves by the '80s. 1123 01:03:56,720 --> 01:03:58,360 We were completely self-referential, 1124 01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:00,400 internal looking. We weren't capable 1125 01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:02,400 of talking to anybody we didn't agree with. 1126 01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:06,680 We weren't capable of the grand gesture 1127 01:04:06,720 --> 01:04:10,320 and the thing that happened with Section 28 1128 01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:13,240 and the abseilers was that the grand gesture came back 1129 01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:17,120 and the grand gesture came back led by lesbians. 1130 01:04:17,160 --> 01:04:19,960 SUSANNAH: And I think for us, that came very naturally. 1131 01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:22,040 That was the kind of... I think, part of, in a way, 1132 01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:24,760 the training camp that Greenham Common was for activist women 1133 01:04:24,800 --> 01:04:26,760 and for activist dykes at that time. 1134 01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:30,080 Greenham was very much about that, 1135 01:04:30,120 --> 01:04:31,880 about doing physical things - 1136 01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:36,640 cutting fences, blockading, entering the USAF base, 1137 01:04:36,680 --> 01:04:39,360 pushing at boundaries and stepping over boundaries 1138 01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:43,320 and making quite symbolic actions that, you know, 1139 01:04:43,360 --> 01:04:44,920 were headline grabbing as well. 1140 01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:47,560 We were quite conscious of that - the way to use the media 1141 01:04:47,600 --> 01:04:49,520 and grab headlines in that way. 1142 01:04:49,560 --> 01:04:51,920 It was actually loads and loads of women who'd never been 1143 01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:55,400 seen before, absolutely livid at this legislation. 1144 01:04:55,440 --> 01:04:57,680 SUSANNAH: We had a meeting at my flat in Clapham 1145 01:04:57,720 --> 01:04:59,160 to talk about direct action 1146 01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:00,720 and where we wanted to go with it next. 1147 01:05:00,760 --> 01:05:03,400 There was a debate in the House of Lords coming up 1148 01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:05,760 and the first idea we had was a bit more ambitious - 1149 01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:10,240 we wanted to hijack a boat and board the Palace of Westminster 1150 01:05:10,280 --> 01:05:13,000 from the river, sort of storm it from the river. 1151 01:05:13,040 --> 01:05:15,280 And, you know, we were seriously talking this through 1152 01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:17,040 but there was issues of the tide times 1153 01:05:17,080 --> 01:05:19,280 and where we were going to get this boat and everything, 1154 01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:21,800 so it was maybe a little bit ambitious. 1155 01:05:21,840 --> 01:05:24,240 And then I think we were... 1156 01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:25,920 I think the TV might have been on. 1157 01:05:25,960 --> 01:05:28,240 We were reminded of the way the House of Lords is, where 1158 01:05:28,280 --> 01:05:31,240 there's the public gallery above where the lords sit. 1159 01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:34,720 And so, we had this idea of abseiling in, or sliding in. 1160 01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:37,120 A couple of people went... Sally and Janet, I think, 1161 01:05:37,160 --> 01:05:38,480 went up Clapham High Street 1162 01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:40,480 and bought a couple of washing lines, 1163 01:05:40,520 --> 01:05:42,280 and we kind of chopped those into four 1164 01:05:42,320 --> 01:05:43,920 and then we wrapped them... 1165 01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:46,520 Like, four of us had them under our jumpers 1166 01:05:46,560 --> 01:05:47,960 or whatever, wrapped around us. 1167 01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:49,840 We were queueing to get into the House of Lords 1168 01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:52,280 for this debate, so Paula was kind of shouting out, 1169 01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:54,120 "Are you a lord? Are you a lord? 1170 01:05:54,160 --> 01:05:55,280 "Can you sign us in as a guest 1171 01:05:55,320 --> 01:05:58,120 "to come into your guest gallery?" And before too long, 1172 01:05:58,160 --> 01:06:00,640 one guy said, "Yes, OK, I'll take you in." 1173 01:06:00,680 --> 01:06:03,680 So, he signed in four or five of us 1174 01:06:03,720 --> 01:06:06,720 and we went into this side gallery, which was lucky, 1175 01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:09,400 actually, because the visitors' gallery is significantly lower 1176 01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:10,760 than the public gallery. 1177 01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:15,080 So, we were sitting there and the debate was going on 1178 01:06:15,120 --> 01:06:17,600 and I can't... You know, it's a very adrenaline-y thing. 1179 01:06:17,640 --> 01:06:19,680 I can't honestly remember much about it now. 1180 01:06:19,720 --> 01:06:21,520 But got these ropes out, tied them to 1181 01:06:21,560 --> 01:06:25,160 the little wrought-iron balcony and pitched over. 1182 01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:27,680 I kind of got rope burns going down this nylon thing 1183 01:06:27,720 --> 01:06:29,920 very badly to the floor, 1184 01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:32,320 and then other friends who were in the public gallery 1185 01:06:32,360 --> 01:06:35,200 were shouting and, you know, kicking off and everything. 1186 01:06:35,240 --> 01:06:37,400 Their security moved quite quickly. 1187 01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:39,760 They held us in there for a good number of hours. 1188 01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:41,680 We didn't get charged with anything at all. 1189 01:06:41,720 --> 01:06:43,640 They could have charges within their own bylaws 1190 01:06:43,680 --> 01:06:46,120 but I think they just thought, "Let's get rid of them." 1191 01:06:46,160 --> 01:06:48,840 And this actually caused a huge stir, because it was 1192 01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:52,520 the first time that a lot of gay men had seen lesbians 1193 01:06:52,560 --> 01:06:54,440 involved in direct action 1194 01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:56,360 and doing something that was for everybody. 1195 01:06:56,400 --> 01:06:59,680 It was lesbians who became the outrageous activists. 1196 01:06:59,720 --> 01:07:03,600 SUSANNAH: The invasion of the Six O'Clock News at the BBC 1197 01:07:03,640 --> 01:07:06,520 was another high-profile action that we did. 1198 01:07:06,560 --> 01:07:08,480 I didn't actually go in there but I was, kind of, 1199 01:07:08,520 --> 01:07:10,120 involved in the thinking about it. 1200 01:07:10,160 --> 01:07:12,520 Red and Stella in particular, who'd been on the abseiling, 1201 01:07:12,560 --> 01:07:14,360 and then various other dykes 1202 01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:15,760 who hadn't been on the abseiling 1203 01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:18,160 but were really, really keen to do some more direct action 1204 01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:21,720 around Clause 28, came together in a new group 1205 01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:25,600 for activists and we started to plan. 1206 01:07:25,640 --> 01:07:29,560 It was helped by the fact that one of the dykes 1207 01:07:29,600 --> 01:07:32,720 had a friend who worked, I think, as a runner in the BBC 1208 01:07:32,760 --> 01:07:35,400 and passed us a floor plan, 1209 01:07:35,440 --> 01:07:39,520 so that they had an idea of where the studio actually was 1210 01:07:39,560 --> 01:07:41,640 in this massive TV Centre. 1211 01:07:47,640 --> 01:07:49,640 There was quite a lot of hair-raising bits 1212 01:07:49,680 --> 01:07:51,880 of being on completely the wrong floor. 1213 01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:53,840 I seem to remember they had to, sort of, 1214 01:07:53,880 --> 01:07:56,200 lock themselves in the toilet for quite a long time. 1215 01:07:56,240 --> 01:07:57,880 They were a bit more organised this time - 1216 01:07:57,920 --> 01:07:59,800 they had T-shirts with "stop the clause" on. 1217 01:07:59,840 --> 01:08:01,480 I think they had to go and strip off 1218 01:08:01,520 --> 01:08:03,440 and get their T-shirts in place. 1219 01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:05,760 But, anyway, they kind of pulled it together, as we know, 1220 01:08:05,800 --> 01:08:07,880 cos we do have the film footage of that. 1221 01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:13,160 And they got into this studio and padlocked themselves 1222 01:08:13,200 --> 01:08:14,680 to the bottom of the desk, 1223 01:08:14,720 --> 01:08:17,560 which is why they couldn't so easily get rid of them, 1224 01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:19,560 and you could hear these muffled voices 1225 01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:20,720 from under the desk. 1226 01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:25,800 The Six O'Clock News from the BBC, 1227 01:08:25,840 --> 01:08:28,320 with Sue Lawley and Nicholas Witchell. 1228 01:08:28,360 --> 01:08:31,440 Good evening. The headlines at six o'clock... 1229 01:08:31,480 --> 01:08:34,040 In the House of Lords, a vote is taking place now 1230 01:08:34,080 --> 01:08:36,280 on a challenge to the poll tax. Tory rebels have said... 1231 01:08:36,320 --> 01:08:38,320 -This is about rights for lesbian and gay people. 1232 01:08:38,360 --> 01:08:39,800 -..the tax is unfair and unpopular. 1233 01:08:39,840 --> 01:08:41,480 -Stop Section 28. -And I do apologise 1234 01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:43,600 if you're hearing quite a lot of noise in the studio. 1235 01:08:43,640 --> 01:08:45,640 -Stop the clause. -I'm afraid that we have rather 1236 01:08:45,680 --> 01:08:47,720 been invaded by some people that we hope 1237 01:08:47,760 --> 01:08:49,480 to be removing shortly. 1238 01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:50,840 In the meantime... 1239 01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:53,000 And Sue Lawley holding it together very well. 1240 01:08:53,040 --> 01:08:55,720 I think we all have to agree she did a masterful job there, 1241 01:08:55,760 --> 01:08:57,040 whereas Nicholas Witchell, 1242 01:08:57,080 --> 01:08:59,160 who then went on to be the royal correspondent, 1243 01:08:59,200 --> 01:09:00,920 you know, he got stuck in off-camera... 1244 01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:03,280 Get off me, you arsewipe. Stop section 28! 1245 01:09:03,320 --> 01:09:04,960 Stop section 28! 1246 01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:06,920 ..helping the security guards to squash them 1247 01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:08,240 and get on top of them. 1248 01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:15,760 -And direct action is important. 1249 01:09:15,800 --> 01:09:18,920 With one thing done by half a dozen people, 1250 01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:21,080 you can be on the Nine O'Clock News 1251 01:09:21,120 --> 01:09:24,000 and reach the whole country, 1252 01:09:24,040 --> 01:09:25,280 and make a point. 1253 01:09:25,320 --> 01:09:28,120 And, you know, sometimes it doesn't work, 1254 01:09:28,160 --> 01:09:30,880 but when it really works, by God it works. 1255 01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:34,760 And it was horrific and yet, looking back, it was the thing 1256 01:09:34,800 --> 01:09:37,280 that brought us all together and founded 1257 01:09:37,320 --> 01:09:40,360 what has since become one of the most successful 1258 01:09:40,400 --> 01:09:43,280 lesbian and gay movements in the world. 1259 01:09:43,320 --> 01:09:46,280 Because it really pissed a lot of people off. 1260 01:09:51,840 --> 01:09:55,040 People really became aware of how oppressive 1261 01:09:55,080 --> 01:09:57,160 the Tory government were becoming. 1262 01:09:57,200 --> 01:10:00,080 Lots of people came out and said, "This is not on." 1263 01:10:00,120 --> 01:10:01,680 Then there was far more marches, 1264 01:10:01,720 --> 01:10:02,920 far more demonstrating, 1265 01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:05,640 and it became very hardcore with the police. 1266 01:10:05,680 --> 01:10:08,800 And round the same period was the poll-tax riot. 1267 01:10:08,840 --> 01:10:11,120 We were pretty much doing a riot a week, I think, 1268 01:10:11,160 --> 01:10:13,800 at some points. There was a lot going on 1269 01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:16,800 where we were protesting and agitating, really. 1270 01:10:39,080 --> 01:10:42,920 About 1990, I kind of got bored of the party lifestyle. 1271 01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:46,640 You know, I wanted to do something, 1272 01:10:46,680 --> 01:10:49,280 yeah, bit more challenging. I mean, it was fun 1273 01:10:49,320 --> 01:10:53,160 but I just got bored of it. You know, we didn't have... 1274 01:10:53,200 --> 01:10:55,760 You can't do the same things for years on end. 1275 01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:02,560 ROZ: I moved on. 1276 01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:04,520 There was a point where I dropped out of 1277 01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:06,440 the Chain Reaction collective. 1278 01:11:07,640 --> 01:11:11,000 DEL: She was pretty much excluded - not exactly 1279 01:11:11,040 --> 01:11:15,600 for being trans but that was a factor that was used. 1280 01:11:15,640 --> 01:11:18,520 It was weird because, like, nobody would actually say 1281 01:11:18,560 --> 01:11:20,600 what I'd done and most people just got the idea 1282 01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:22,680 I'd done something and it was awful. 1283 01:11:22,720 --> 01:11:25,560 Maybe Roz slept with the wrong person. 1284 01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:33,800 In the end, all of the fights 1285 01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:37,160 and the debates within feminism absolutely got me down 1286 01:11:37,200 --> 01:11:40,000 and in the end, I left London because it just did my head in. 1287 01:11:41,280 --> 01:11:43,200 I tried to find a squat in Amsterdam. 1288 01:11:43,240 --> 01:11:45,120 It was fucking freezing. 1289 01:11:47,160 --> 01:11:50,040 Every day, I would take an acid tab. 1290 01:11:52,000 --> 01:11:55,440 I just lived in this completely psychedelic, fucked-up world. 1291 01:11:55,480 --> 01:11:58,160 I ended up getting arrested on some demonstration. 1292 01:11:58,200 --> 01:11:59,760 I still, to this day, don't know 1293 01:11:59,800 --> 01:12:01,680 what the demonstration was even for. 1294 01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:06,760 And it was actually during those three days 1295 01:12:06,800 --> 01:12:09,360 in the police station when I, sort of, detoxed off drugs 1296 01:12:09,400 --> 01:12:11,480 and realised this wasn't a very good idea. 1297 01:12:14,760 --> 01:12:17,040 MAJ: After being a traveller for about a year, 1298 01:12:17,080 --> 01:12:18,280 which didn't really work, 1299 01:12:18,320 --> 01:12:20,560 I found myself in Women Only Space. 1300 01:12:20,600 --> 01:12:24,120 So, it's a rural women-only community. 1301 01:12:24,160 --> 01:12:26,320 It was bought and paid for by some of the women 1302 01:12:26,360 --> 01:12:28,000 coming from Greenham. 1303 01:12:28,040 --> 01:12:29,760 I don't want to say exactly where it is, 1304 01:12:29,800 --> 01:12:31,960 because it's kind of like a women's refuge. 1305 01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:42,920 People went on and became famous artists, 1306 01:12:42,960 --> 01:12:44,240 famous film-makers, 1307 01:12:44,280 --> 01:12:48,080 lecturers, journalists, barristers, nurses. 1308 01:12:48,120 --> 01:12:49,440 All sorts of things. 1309 01:12:56,000 --> 01:12:59,000 DEBBIE: A few months after Mouth Almighty split, 1310 01:12:59,040 --> 01:13:01,560 I actually got my first job 1311 01:13:01,600 --> 01:13:04,600 as an indie guitarist with the band Curve. 1312 01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:06,520 I saw them on the telly on the Monday, 1313 01:13:06,560 --> 01:13:08,640 answered the advert on the Wednesday. 1314 01:13:08,680 --> 01:13:11,120 I went to the audition on the Friday 1315 01:13:11,160 --> 01:13:14,040 and was in the band by tea-time. So, that was good. 1316 01:13:14,080 --> 01:13:16,240 ROCK MUSIC PLAYS 1317 01:13:39,000 --> 01:13:42,280 At least, I hope that nowadays for young people 1318 01:13:42,320 --> 01:13:44,760 it's much easier to be what they are. 1319 01:13:44,800 --> 01:13:49,000 And I think it's taken these 30 years to develop, 1320 01:13:49,040 --> 01:13:52,080 that people can start feeling more comfortable 1321 01:13:52,120 --> 01:13:53,680 in the way they feel inside. 1322 01:13:57,280 --> 01:13:59,360 YVONNE: I'm about to start a new club, 1323 01:13:59,400 --> 01:14:01,120 which is about all women welcome. 1324 01:14:01,160 --> 01:14:04,360 It means queer folks, it means non-binary. 1325 01:14:08,040 --> 01:14:10,760 You know, when I hear my nieces and nephews 1326 01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:12,720 talk about their experiences 1327 01:14:12,760 --> 01:14:15,280 with gay and lesbian young kids... 1328 01:14:17,280 --> 01:14:19,480 ..that's when I kind of go, "We've moved on." 1329 01:14:24,040 --> 01:14:27,640 The trouble is that we've gone so far into the mainstream 1330 01:14:27,680 --> 01:14:29,800 and we're so respectable now 1331 01:14:29,840 --> 01:14:32,000 that we're losing all our sharp edges and we're losing 1332 01:14:32,040 --> 01:14:33,240 our ability to be the rebels. 1333 01:14:33,280 --> 01:14:36,120 MUSIC PLAYS, WHISTLES BLOW 1334 01:14:44,840 --> 01:14:49,440 One thing I find most amusing is about SM, 1335 01:14:49,480 --> 01:14:53,000 because it was very secretive in the '80s. 1336 01:14:53,040 --> 01:14:57,160 And it's taken all these 30 years to become 1337 01:14:57,200 --> 01:15:01,160 something, like, of a normal thing. 1338 01:15:01,200 --> 01:15:04,600 And now you see these books like 50 Shades Of Grey 1339 01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:06,040 and it's a normal thing. 1340 01:15:06,080 --> 01:15:07,320 You know, anybody does it 1341 01:15:07,360 --> 01:15:10,440 and they discuss it in the workplace. 1342 01:15:15,320 --> 01:15:18,440 I can have sex in private now and still enjoy myself! 1343 01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:24,080 Yeah, and in the end, it isn't two groups, is it? 1344 01:15:24,120 --> 01:15:26,040 -No groups are homogeneous. -No. 1345 01:15:26,080 --> 01:15:28,240 But the thing about us as SM dykes 1346 01:15:28,280 --> 01:15:30,600 was that we were ostracised from the lesbian community, 1347 01:15:30,640 --> 01:15:32,360 and so we formed a family around that. 1348 01:15:32,400 --> 01:15:34,600 And, you know, 30 years later, we're still friends 1349 01:15:34,640 --> 01:15:36,680 because there were so very few of us 1350 01:15:36,720 --> 01:15:39,560 that felt we were really interested in sex 1351 01:15:39,600 --> 01:15:41,760 and being positive about sex. 1352 01:15:49,800 --> 01:15:52,680 SEIJA: It was like a real energy 1353 01:15:52,720 --> 01:15:54,760 of what people had they wanted to say 1354 01:15:54,800 --> 01:15:57,000 and they wanted to explore. 1355 01:15:57,040 --> 01:16:01,680 And that's maybe why it continued after the clubs 1356 01:16:01,720 --> 01:16:03,160 and after the movement, 1357 01:16:03,200 --> 01:16:07,080 that people took it in their lives and they continued. 1358 01:16:13,720 --> 01:16:17,800 Every Tuesday, we took over a gay men's club in Vauxhall. 1359 01:16:17,840 --> 01:16:22,200 We started the UK's first ever lesbian S and M night, 1360 01:16:22,240 --> 01:16:23,720 Chain Reaction. 1361 01:16:23,760 --> 01:16:25,080 CHEERING AND APPLAUSE 1362 01:16:25,120 --> 01:16:26,680 Yay! 1363 01:16:26,720 --> 01:16:30,200 We wanted what the gay men had access to - 1364 01:16:30,240 --> 01:16:32,480 places to have sex. 1365 01:16:32,520 --> 01:16:34,800 CHEERING AND APPLAUSE 1366 01:16:40,040 --> 01:16:43,040 ROCK MUSIC PLAYS 1367 01:16:55,600 --> 01:16:58,640 The show I'm doing now is my perspective 1368 01:16:58,680 --> 01:17:03,520 of gay pride from the viewpoint of a rebel dyke. 1369 01:17:03,560 --> 01:17:05,680 There's that whole thing of just being... 1370 01:17:05,720 --> 01:17:09,000 Always challenging, always challenging the norm, 1371 01:17:09,040 --> 01:17:10,760 challenging what's expected, 1372 01:17:10,800 --> 01:17:13,520 and getting power from doing something else. 1373 01:17:13,560 --> 01:17:16,680 And, you know, I've been called "sir" my whole life! 1374 01:17:16,720 --> 01:17:20,400 And so I thought, "OK, I could probably be a drag king again." 1375 01:17:20,440 --> 01:17:24,080 Funnily enough, the drag-king community very much reminds me 1376 01:17:24,120 --> 01:17:25,760 of the rebel dyke community, 1377 01:17:25,800 --> 01:17:29,400 because we're a minority and we've got each other's backs 1378 01:17:29,440 --> 01:17:31,920 and that's a really, really lovely feeling. 1379 01:17:31,960 --> 01:17:34,480 MUSIC: Remember Me by Mouth Almighty 1380 01:17:53,680 --> 01:17:55,080 YVONNE: We, as older lesbians, 1381 01:17:55,120 --> 01:17:59,040 have paved the way so younger people can come along and have, 1382 01:17:59,080 --> 01:18:01,200 kind of, like, the freedom that they've got now. 1383 01:18:01,240 --> 01:18:03,920 Not that most of us have any clue... 1384 01:18:03,960 --> 01:18:07,640 In the same way I have no clue about all the previous, 1385 01:18:07,680 --> 01:18:09,760 you know, older lesbians that had gone before me. 1386 01:18:09,800 --> 01:18:12,480 It's very necessary that this story gets told, 1387 01:18:12,520 --> 01:18:14,440 because we all stand on the shoulders of giants. 1388 01:18:14,480 --> 01:18:16,720 And if the women hadn't started Gateways, 1389 01:18:16,760 --> 01:18:18,760 we would never have started Chain Reaction. 1390 01:18:18,800 --> 01:18:21,640 But this story has been, so far, unsaid. 1391 01:18:21,680 --> 01:18:24,920 So I'm very happy that it's finally been documented. 1392 01:18:24,960 --> 01:18:27,800 MUSIC: Skirt by Nightnurse 1393 01:19:02,320 --> 01:19:04,280 LISA: I don't want to be a straight gay, 1394 01:19:04,320 --> 01:19:06,240 which is how we used to refer to people like that 1395 01:19:06,280 --> 01:19:08,000 in the '80s. For me, 1396 01:19:08,040 --> 01:19:10,840 the whole point of gay liberation, 1397 01:19:10,880 --> 01:19:12,600 the whole point of coming out, 1398 01:19:12,640 --> 01:19:14,480 is to come out as yourself. 1399 01:19:14,520 --> 01:19:17,200 Whatever that is, wherever it leads you, 1400 01:19:17,240 --> 01:19:18,720 you should be yourself. 1401 01:19:18,760 --> 01:19:22,680 And rebel dykes in the '80s did that at a time 1402 01:19:22,720 --> 01:19:25,480 when there were really far too many people, 1403 01:19:25,520 --> 01:19:29,000 both inside the movement and in the general public, 1404 01:19:29,040 --> 01:19:31,800 all trying to tell us how to behave. 1405 01:19:31,840 --> 01:19:34,120 DEBBIE: And, you know, we had to fight long and hard 1406 01:19:34,160 --> 01:19:36,440 to find our place but, you know, we did. 1407 01:19:36,480 --> 01:19:38,280 I mean, look at lesbian society now. 1408 01:19:38,320 --> 01:19:40,440 That's cos we did that. 1409 01:19:40,480 --> 01:19:42,600 We did that. Be thankful. 1410 01:19:56,000 --> 01:20:00,760 ♪ I met a girl and she didn't have a heart 1411 01:20:00,800 --> 01:20:05,240 ♪ But I never really found out till the morning 1412 01:20:05,280 --> 01:20:07,280 ♪ I let her take me home 1413 01:20:07,320 --> 01:20:10,000 ♪ Even though I knew the signs 1414 01:20:10,040 --> 01:20:14,120 ♪ I know it wasn't smart but I'm not sorry 1415 01:20:17,600 --> 01:20:21,720 ♪ What can you do with a girl that has no heart? 1416 01:20:21,760 --> 01:20:26,280 ♪ We kept each other up until the morning 1417 01:20:26,320 --> 01:20:28,440 ♪ So, even though I knew 1418 01:20:28,480 --> 01:20:31,160 ♪ She was trouble from the start 1419 01:20:31,200 --> 01:20:36,000 ♪ I stayed another night and I'm still yawning 1420 01:20:38,360 --> 01:20:41,720 ♪ Having no heart 1421 01:20:41,760 --> 01:20:43,800 ♪ You never need to care 1422 01:20:43,840 --> 01:20:47,560 ♪ You don't have to satisfy 1423 01:20:47,600 --> 01:20:50,800 ♪ It is the ones 1424 01:20:50,840 --> 01:20:53,440 ♪ You know you'll never have 1425 01:20:53,480 --> 01:20:57,840 ♪ You always want too much 1426 01:20:57,880 --> 01:21:01,040 ♪ End of story 1427 01:21:02,920 --> 01:21:04,720 ♪ I met a girl 1428 01:21:04,760 --> 01:21:07,520 ♪ She never had much time 1429 01:21:07,560 --> 01:21:11,800 ♪ She always had to rush out in the morning 1430 01:21:11,840 --> 01:21:13,960 ♪ So, even though I knew 1431 01:21:14,000 --> 01:21:16,760 ♪ We were a million worlds apart 1432 01:21:16,800 --> 01:21:20,800 ♪ I stayed another month but I'm not sorry 1433 01:21:23,760 --> 01:21:26,960 ♪ Having no time 1434 01:21:27,000 --> 01:21:29,400 ♪ You never need to care 1435 01:21:29,440 --> 01:21:32,880 ♪ You don't have to justify 1436 01:21:32,920 --> 01:21:36,360 ♪ It is the ones 1437 01:21:36,400 --> 01:21:38,680 ♪ You know you'll never have 1438 01:21:38,720 --> 01:21:43,200 ♪ You always want too much 1439 01:21:43,240 --> 01:21:46,760 ♪ End of story 1440 01:21:49,600 --> 01:21:54,000 ♪ You can have it all 1441 01:21:54,040 --> 01:21:58,840 ♪ Practising freefall 1442 01:21:58,880 --> 01:22:02,520 ♪ Then you pay the toll 1443 01:22:04,200 --> 01:22:08,160 ♪ In the morning 1444 01:22:28,400 --> 01:22:31,240 ♪ Having no heart 1445 01:22:31,280 --> 01:22:33,640 ♪ You never need to care 1446 01:22:33,680 --> 01:22:37,560 ♪ You don't have to satisfy 1447 01:22:37,600 --> 01:22:40,560 ♪ It is the ones 1448 01:22:40,600 --> 01:22:43,080 ♪ You know you'll never have 1449 01:22:43,120 --> 01:22:47,480 ♪ You always want too much 1450 01:22:47,520 --> 01:22:51,360 ♪ End of story 1451 01:22:53,000 --> 01:22:54,720 ♪ I met a girl 1452 01:22:54,760 --> 01:22:57,360 ♪ She never had a heart 1453 01:22:57,400 --> 01:23:01,360 ♪ I should have known it from the start 1454 01:23:01,400 --> 01:23:05,560 ♪ We were a million worlds apart 1455 01:23:05,600 --> 01:23:10,560 ♪ Well, I know it wasn't smart 1456 01:23:10,600 --> 01:23:13,040 ♪ But I'm not 1457 01:23:13,080 --> 01:23:14,640 ♪ Sorry. ♪ 1458 01:23:23,040 --> 01:23:26,480 MUSIC: Trouble by the Well Oiled Sisters 1459 01:24:06,000 --> 01:24:09,680 ♪ You don't know the trouble I'm in 1460 01:24:12,240 --> 01:24:16,520 ♪ And you don't know the trouble I've seen 1461 01:24:18,880 --> 01:24:20,560 ♪ Talking to myself 1462 01:24:20,600 --> 01:24:23,280 ♪ I'll drink to kill the pain 1463 01:24:23,320 --> 01:24:26,880 ♪ Knowing in my heart that I won't see you again 1464 01:24:26,920 --> 01:24:29,080 ♪ I'm in trouble 1465 01:24:31,000 --> 01:24:33,080 ♪ I'm in trouble 1466 01:24:35,360 --> 01:24:40,040 ♪ So, please come home 1467 01:24:40,080 --> 01:24:43,760 ♪ Please come home 1468 01:24:44,920 --> 01:24:48,280 ♪ Please come home 1469 01:24:48,320 --> 01:24:50,920 ♪ I'm in trouble 1470 01:24:52,640 --> 01:24:55,040 ♪ I'm in trouble 1471 01:24:57,320 --> 01:24:59,280 ♪ You're so cold 1472 01:24:59,320 --> 01:25:01,400 ♪ You can't meet my eye 1473 01:25:03,760 --> 01:25:05,640 ♪ You laugh too loud 1474 01:25:05,680 --> 01:25:08,160 ♪ You calculate and lie 1475 01:25:10,520 --> 01:25:12,280 ♪ Looking at the stars 1476 01:25:12,320 --> 01:25:14,560 ♪ I'm waiting for a sign 1477 01:25:14,600 --> 01:25:16,400 ♪ If I don't lose my nerve 1478 01:25:16,440 --> 01:25:18,640 ♪ Then I'm gonna lose my mind 1479 01:25:18,680 --> 01:25:20,560 ♪ I'm in trouble 1480 01:25:22,600 --> 01:25:25,120 ♪ I'm in trouble 1481 01:25:27,320 --> 01:25:30,960 ♪ So, please come home 1482 01:25:32,000 --> 01:25:35,040 ♪ Please come home 1483 01:25:36,320 --> 01:25:39,960 ♪ Please come home 1484 01:25:40,000 --> 01:25:42,720 ♪ I'm in trouble 1485 01:25:44,320 --> 01:25:46,960 ♪ I'm in trouble 1486 01:26:10,560 --> 01:26:14,440 ♪ You don't know the trouble I'm in 1487 01:26:17,000 --> 01:26:21,120 ♪ And you don't know the trouble I've seen 1488 01:26:23,840 --> 01:26:25,520 ♪ Living in the past 1489 01:26:25,560 --> 01:26:27,840 ♪ I'm thinking about us 1490 01:26:27,880 --> 01:26:29,720 ♪ Counting out my change 1491 01:26:29,760 --> 01:26:31,600 ♪ And I'm getting on that bus 1492 01:26:31,640 --> 01:26:33,360 ♪ I'm in trouble 1493 01:26:35,840 --> 01:26:37,680 ♪ I'm in trouble 1494 01:26:40,040 --> 01:26:43,520 ♪ So, please come home 1495 01:26:45,000 --> 01:26:48,040 ♪ Please come home 1496 01:26:49,320 --> 01:26:53,240 ♪ Please come home 1497 01:26:53,280 --> 01:26:55,760 ♪ I'm in trouble 1498 01:26:58,000 --> 01:27:02,120 ♪ Yeah, please come home 1499 01:27:02,160 --> 01:27:05,600 ♪ Please come home 1500 01:27:06,840 --> 01:27:12,480 ♪ Please come home 1501 01:27:12,520 --> 01:27:15,160 ♪ I'm in trouble 1502 01:27:17,000 --> 01:27:19,440 ♪ I'm in trouble 1503 01:27:21,000 --> 01:27:23,440 ♪ I'm in trouble 1504 01:27:25,000 --> 01:27:27,680 ♪ I'm in trouble. ♪ 1505 01:27:42,000 --> 01:27:44,480 MUSIC: Remember Me by Mouth Almighty 1506 01:28:11,000 --> 01:28:14,760 ♪ Well, your love left much to be desired 1507 01:28:14,800 --> 01:28:18,880 ♪ You were everything but not enough 1508 01:28:18,920 --> 01:28:22,240 ♪ Each tear you shed is just another lie 1509 01:28:22,280 --> 01:28:25,920 ♪ Behind each smile, a sullen scowl 1510 01:28:25,960 --> 01:28:29,960 ♪ Remember me, remember me 1511 01:28:30,000 --> 01:28:32,880 ♪ Won't you remember me 1512 01:28:32,920 --> 01:28:37,480 ♪ Oh, remember me, remember me 1513 01:28:37,520 --> 01:28:40,760 ♪ Won't you remember me 1514 01:28:40,800 --> 01:28:44,040 ♪ The lies you told to pass the time 1515 01:28:44,080 --> 01:28:47,720 ♪ Well, I became accustomed to 1516 01:28:47,760 --> 01:28:51,480 ♪ But I no longer need your closeness 1517 01:28:51,520 --> 01:28:55,080 ♪ You ripped the wellness from my soul 1518 01:28:55,120 --> 01:28:58,880 ♪ Remember me, remember me 1519 01:28:58,920 --> 01:29:01,800 ♪ Won't you remember me 1520 01:29:01,840 --> 01:29:06,320 ♪ Oh, remember me, remember me 1521 01:29:06,360 --> 01:29:09,120 ♪ Won't you remember me 1522 01:29:52,200 --> 01:29:55,960 ♪ Don't call me or call, call around 1523 01:29:56,000 --> 01:29:59,680 ♪ To say you've seen the inner void 1524 01:29:59,720 --> 01:30:03,240 ♪ And leave with your dead-hearted smile 1525 01:30:03,280 --> 01:30:05,000 ♪ Another while 1526 01:30:05,040 --> 01:30:06,640 ♪ Just a little bit more 1527 01:30:06,680 --> 01:30:11,160 ♪ Oh, remember me, remember me 1528 01:30:11,200 --> 01:30:13,760 ♪ Won't you remember me 1529 01:30:13,800 --> 01:30:18,200 ♪ Oh, remember me, remember me 1530 01:30:18,240 --> 01:30:20,880 ♪ Won't you remember me 1531 01:30:20,920 --> 01:30:25,560 ♪ Oh, remember me, remember me 1532 01:30:25,600 --> 01:30:28,240 ♪ Won't you remember me 1533 01:30:28,280 --> 01:30:32,720 ♪ Oh, remember me, remember me 1534 01:30:32,760 --> 01:30:36,240 ♪ Won't you remember. ♪