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Anybody has the power
to become famous
by doing something destructive.

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CHAFFETZ: Mr. Shkreli,
do you wish to make
an opening statement?

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On the advice of counsel,
I will not be giving
an opening statement.

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Do you think you've done
anything wrong?

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On the advice
of counsel, I invoke
my Fifth Amendment privilege

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against self-incrimination
and respectfully,

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decline to answer your question.

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TRAVIS LANGLEY:
What do we consider to be
this dark part of human nature?

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You're in a unique position.

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You really are, sir.

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You have a spotlight.

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You could use that attention
to come clean,

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to right your wrongs.

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The way I see it,
you can go down in history.

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LANGLEY: Now we're looking
at where we start to think of
villains in life.

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They have this fascination
with evil.

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And once you see somebody as a
villain, you are then ready to
make them fit,

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and assume they must have
the other qualities as well.

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CONGRESSMAN:
I know you're smiling,
but I'm very serious, sir.

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LANGLEY: And if you
show up immediately ready to
relate to him as human being,

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does the villain need a friend?

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To Mr. Shkreli,
since I have you in front
of me, let me say this.

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CONGRESSMAN:
I truly believe you could become
a force of tremendous good.

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There's so many people that
could use your help, you know?

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PATRICK CALDWELL:
You're a bro and you embody

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the problems with
the pharmaceutical industry.

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CHRISTIE SMYTHE:
But it's not real.

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That's a character
he kind of puts on.

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BILLY THE FRIDGE:
Everybody thinks
he's this big piece of shit,

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and he's got what he deserves.

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ANDY POLLACK:
Character and ethics,

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I think it really matters.

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BILLY: It's not him, dude,
he's a symptom of the problem.

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The story's not over yet.

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I can't tell his story
unless I get to know him.

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We're sitting here watching
his live stream, every week,

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and he's right downstairs.

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September 11th here.

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It's October first.

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-[PEOPLE CHEERING]
-2016, it's been a good year.

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January 20th,
Operation Find Shkreli.

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Okay, Martin Shkreli, I get it.
This is New York winter.

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I feel like I've been
watching Martin Shkreli

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for, like, a straight year
of my life right now.

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No Martin Shkreli to be seen.

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Naked shower guy from the
building over is back.

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He pretty much tells you
everywhere he's going, all the
time.

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That's Martin.

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June 26th, day one of the trial.

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I feel like a real journalist
right now.

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Yep.

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Real journalism
happening right here.

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Anytime something new happens,

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cut it out,

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put it on a board,

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mark it, edit it,

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save his live stream, that's how
you make this movie, I guess.

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I don't have to do a thing.
Martin Shkreli is making
this movie.

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He's making this movie
every single day.

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What I want to figure out is
how this guy became the
most hated man in America.

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-Martin Shkreli.
-Martin Shkreli.

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REPORTER 1:
Price gouging Pharma Bro.

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REPORTER 2: Pharma Bros.

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REPORTER 3: One of the most
hated guys in the country.

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The most hated man in America.

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He's the guy who
bought the rights

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to a lifesaving drug,
then immediately hiked the price

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from $13.50 a tablet to $750.

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That's price gouging,
pure and simple.

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Martin Shkreli doing
what he does best,

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looking like
a real slapable prick.

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If you could rewind the clock,

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WOMAN:
I wonder if you would
do anything differently?

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I probably would've raised the
price higher, is probably
what I would've done.

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CONGRESSMAN:
Are you listening?
You can change the system.

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He's a sociopath.

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That's how
the game's played here.

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That's how capitalism
in America is played.

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REPORTER 4: Federal prosecutors
charge Martin Shkreli with
securities fraud.

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Even the courtroom
sketch artist couldn't
resist making

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Shkreli look like
Gollum on trial.

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REPORTER 5:
He was the person

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who paid $2 million
for the one and only copy

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of Wu-Tang Clan's mythical
Once Upon a Time in Shaolin CD.

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How's the album?

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One hundred percent,
none of your business.

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REPORTER 6: Shkreli
came outside, where protesters
zeroed in on him.

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MAN: Stupid piece of [BLEEP].

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You think there's absolutely
nothing wrong with what
you're doing?

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Absolutely.

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-Does anyone wanna
ask questions?
-Bring it on.

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[PHONE BEEPING]

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Okay, so we found Martin's
number online.

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Apparently he answers it
on all of his livestreams.

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So we're gonna give him a call.

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SHKRELI: Hello.

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Hey, Martin?

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Hey, can you hear me?

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Yeah. Who is it?

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Hey, when are you
being sentenced?

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I'm just wondering...

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Woah, hey! I asked
you a question.
Do I know you?

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No, I just, I saw people
calling in on your livestream,

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so I thought I would
ask a question.

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Yeah.

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No, don't call me.

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Okay, sorry.

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No problem.

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Bye.

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HODGE: The first time
I ever talked to him,

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I just called him up, and...
It's like a hotline.

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I think I enjoy that
the most, because it's
the playing with fame thing.

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It's just like,

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"Hi, yeah, I'm a person
you've heard of.
Call me."

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Hello?

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-Hello.
-Yes.

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MAN: Hey, hey, Martin Shkreli?

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Yeah.

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What is this webcast?

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Is this something
that you do...

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often or is it just
a one-time thing?

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BILLY: He would have
these multi-cam chat rooms,

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bunch of people
on video talking,

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and there would be
even more people watching.

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When you're the smartest guy
in the room,

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you love making it known
to other people

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who think they're better
or smarter than you.

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So I can see why he was
trolling a lot of the people.

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People just call him
and they don't know
what to say,

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and they're just like,
"Oh, you picked up."

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And he's like,
"Yes, you called me."

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MAN: Is this Martin?

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No, it's fucking Lucifer.

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How may I help you?

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No, you've reached Santa Claus.

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Yeah, it's the North Pole.

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What present can I get you?
Fucking moron!

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These poor people here,
I can smell them
from the Internet!

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MAN: Okay. I'm watching you
on Periscope. I'm a little
bit behind you right now.

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Yeah, it sounds like you're
mentally a little bit behind.
What's up?

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SMYTHE: There's no sense
of allocation of fairness
or anything like that.

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You know, if you're just
calling him randomly,

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he's like, "Yeah, it's my time,
I can do whatever I want."

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You can call me at
6-4-6-2-1-7-2-7-8-3,

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if you've got some fucking,
little, testicles.

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Little fucking balls.

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You may know, I webcast my day.

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I sit there and eat a
bagel. I'm a normal dude,
money's stacking up.

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That's great.
I hope it keeps
stacking up.

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PATRICK CALDWELL:
His livestreams,
after that first hour,

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it is boring as hell.

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It's kind of ironic.
He isn't the most
entertaining villain...

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in terms of the things
that he's physically doing.

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You're like,
"You're just a person.

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"And you're
a very weird person."

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Right, you want
some chicken, kitty?
Here you go.

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HODGE: I call
into his livestream,
and it's the easiest way

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-to get a film made...
-Yeah. [LAUGHS]

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You get every question answered.

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Yeah, he would continue
just taking in the people that,

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you know, wanted to attack him
and showing them a little
of who he was.

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You can't sit down,
have a one on one

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with all of America,
but he sure fucking tried.

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If you wanna
punch me, come find me.
48th Street, 2nd Avenue.

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Let's just say,
it's not gonna end well.

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You're gonna meet
my friend here.

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Blow you a kiss.

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[CHUCKLES]

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HODGE: After many
livestream conversations,
it's about time

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to move in to Martin Shkreli's
apartment building. Whoo!

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It's not me
trying to be deceiving.

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This isn't me
trying to be sneaky.

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I thought if I moved into
this building, I could
get closer to him.

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I could get the truth.

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I could figure out
if he's really an asshole,

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like the world
makes him out to be.

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How do you become
the most hated man in America?

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Price gouging,
harassment, stealing?

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Or is it being
a total douchebag?

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Fame or infamy
was a performance art.

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Whether we like it or not,
Martin Shkreli has made his way

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into pop culture,
unique, polarizing.

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Maybe it'll even
go down in history.

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So to understand this,
we need to understand
the beginnings,

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the small European
mountain town
of Shkrel, Albania.

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Made it to Albania.
There's the mountains.

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Every single building
and store in this area
has Shkrel as the name.

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What I've gathered
from the locals,

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you take the Shkreli last
name with you, represent
pride for the Shkreli region.

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The question is
what do these guys really think

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of their hometown hero,
Martin Shkreli?

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[SPEAKING OTHER LANGUAGE]

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HODGE: As I'm learning,
the last name Shkreli arises
from battle and courage.

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Maybe that's why Martin Shkreli
won't back down to haters,

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it's in his name.

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[SPEAKING OTHER LANGUAGE]

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HODGE: Well, there you have it.

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Albania's forever grateful
to Martin Shkreli.

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SHKRELI: In my
Albanian community,

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people look up to me
for making it in America.

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They're proud of me
and my accomplishments,

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but if I did something bad,
they wouldn't be proud of me.

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And, you know,
if I did something

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that they felt was
morally wrong,
I'd be shunned.

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We like our villains to come
from one of the two main
backgrounds,

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poverty or privilege.

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We get the one
who wants to rise up
and overcome whatever

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was holding them back earlier
in life.

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We can admire that,
we may not admire

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what they do with that,
but we can really get that.

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SHKRELI: I was born in
Coney Island hospital.

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I had to fight my way out
of Coney Island hospital,
I was born.

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ANDREW POLLACK:
You know, he likes publicity.

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He likes to show
the world that Martin Shkreli
has made it,

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that this poor boy from
Brooklyn whose parents
were janitors

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from Eastern Europe,
has made it in the world.

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SHKRELI: We moved to Brooklyn,

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the most affordable place
we could find,

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the first rent controlled place
we could find,

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shared a room with my brother.

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I'm talking about two bedrooms,

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you know, four kids.

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I'm from the block

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where people get robbed
and shot all the time.

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I didn't have a silver spoon.

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Made it on my bootstraps,

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very proud of that.

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CILVARINGZ: Came from nothing,

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You know, literally came...
His parents were still janitors.

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I believe they're still janitors
to this day.

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SHKRELI: My mom still works.

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She won't let me support her.

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I keep begging her to let me
buy her a house or whatever.

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And they're just like, "No."

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MAN: He had a great deal
of early life success,

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left high school
for graduating,

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got some internship
on Wall Street, and he was
kind of considered

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this boy wonder, if you will.

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BILLY: He started off
in the hood, in nowhere,

242
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made his way up through
the ranks to millions.

243
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And that's not...
Not only is that not easy,

244
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that's not really probable.

245
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That's not possible.

246
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That's very rare.

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SHKRELI: I struggled a lot.

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I went to City College,
I earned my way to the top.

249
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I think I should earn
a little bit of respect.

250
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There's just this, like,
childlike quality where
anything is possible,

251
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you can make anything happen,
no one can tell him "No."

252
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And if he thinks he can start
a drug company, he will.

253
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That sounds nuts.

254
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That sounds naive and insane,
but he did it.

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POLLACK: Orphan drugs
are for a disease

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where there are fewer
than 200,000 people.

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Years ago, decades ago,
drug companies ignored
these diseases.

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It was thought
that you couldn't make money
on those diseases,

259
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because there's just not
enough patients.

260
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So why spend
the money to develop?

261
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So, in 1983, Congress
passed The Orphan Drug Act,

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which gave tax incentives

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to help develop
rare disease drugs.

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If you can charge a huge price,

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then even
a few thousand patients
is a big business.

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So that's what made
orphan drugs popular.

267
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A drug that's off patent
is only inexpensive

268
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if there is sufficient
competition.

269
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If there isn't, older drugs
can have higher prices
just like new drugs.

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At the time, it wasn't that
unusual for somebody

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to take a big
price increase like this.

272
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Other companies did this.

273
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This was a business model
that had been employed
over and over again.

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This was a playbook
that was becoming fairly common

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in the pharmaceutical industry.

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And particularly
for an orphan drug

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where there's few patients,
the insurers won't really care.

278
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And so these companies
started searching

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for these obscure,
neglected drugs,

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buying them and turning them
into very high priced drugs,
one of the earliest

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around 2006, 2007,

282
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there were congressional
hearings on that.

283
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People were outraged.

284
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So, Martin comes along
and starts Retrophin

285
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which did that,
with two or three drugs.

286
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Their strategy was the same.

287
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We'll take care of the patients
who can't pay,

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we'll give it away free,
we'll pay the co-pays,

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we'll bend over backwards.

290
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But for most patients,
the insurance will pay,
and we'll make a lot of money,

291
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and we'll put that money to use
developing new drugs.

292
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Then he gets
kicked out of Retrophin,

293
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and then he did it with Turing.

294
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They bought
this drug, Daraprim.

295
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AARON KESSELHEIM: Daraprim is
the brand name of a drug
that's called pyrimethamine.

296
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Pyrimethamine is an antibiotic

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that treats a particular
infection called toxoplasmosis,

298
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originally approved by the FDA
about 50 years ago.

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It's been selling for
a dollar a pill for years

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and after Turing acquired
the distribution rights,

301
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then they jacked the price up
from what was like
$13.50 to $750 a tablet.

302
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HODGE: So why can't
anything be done
to stop a guy like this?

303
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Because we don't have any laws
in our country to stop it.

304
00:16:00,419 --> 00:16:04,595
Unfortunately, you know,
the United States

305
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doesn't have set pricing

306
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or any way to really
negotiate that there's
got to be a fixed price.

307
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It's got to change.

308
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We can't afford
our current healthcare system.

309
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I think what we often overlook
is that markets

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are actually human
accomplishments.

311
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We made the market for drugs
that makes it rational

312
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to raise the price of a drug
5,000% in a very short
period of time.

313
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We made that market.

314
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GLENN COHEN:
So healthcare is different,
first and foremost,

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I think from all perspectives,

316
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because essentially,
we need it,
we need it desperately.

317
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It's not optional.

318
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Without healthcare,
we are either going to die,

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or we're gonna live lives
that are full of pain
or lack function.

320
00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:55,564
And sort of
an interesting question

321
00:16:55,597 --> 00:16:57,968
is if he had been
a different kind
of personality type,

322
00:16:58,002 --> 00:17:00,473
would this story
have played out
very differently?

323
00:17:05,316 --> 00:17:09,357
You know, I don't think
his heart is necessarily
in the wrong place.

324
00:17:09,391 --> 00:17:13,399
I think he just thought,
you know, the rules
didn't apply to him.

325
00:17:15,637 --> 00:17:19,912
SMYTHE: He had found a nexus
between the hedge fund world
and the pharma world.

326
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COHEN: You just see
a human being that's
capable of a whole lot.

327
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POLLACK: He was in charge
of his own companies

328
00:17:33,607 --> 00:17:36,879
from an early age,
so there was no one to say,

329
00:17:36,913 --> 00:17:39,417
"Martin, this is wrong."

330
00:17:42,323 --> 00:17:48,803
The whole story was not helped
by Martin being a jerk,

331
00:17:48,837 --> 00:17:52,143
but then something
really bad happened.
[CHUCKLES]

332
00:17:56,218 --> 00:17:58,088
[PLAYING GUITAR RIFF]

333
00:18:09,177 --> 00:18:10,313
Hello.

334
00:18:10,346 --> 00:18:11,950
[HODGE SPEAKING]

335
00:18:13,252 --> 00:18:14,922
You sound like a weird guy.

336
00:18:15,857 --> 00:18:17,360
Yes.

337
00:18:17,393 --> 00:18:18,563
You sound like...

338
00:18:18,596 --> 00:18:21,234
You kinda sound like
a pedophilic macho man.

339
00:18:21,268 --> 00:18:22,303
[CHUCKLES]

340
00:18:22,972 --> 00:18:23,940
Nah.

341
00:18:23,974 --> 00:18:25,142
Oh, yeah!

342
00:18:25,176 --> 00:18:26,613
HODGE: So, what led
to this phone call?

343
00:18:26,646 --> 00:18:28,917
SMYTHE: I was covering
the courthouse in Brooklyn.

344
00:18:28,950 --> 00:18:31,388
I had a story about him
being under investigation.

345
00:18:32,090 --> 00:18:33,927
♪ No flex zone

346
00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:35,731
♪ They know better♪

347
00:18:37,701 --> 00:18:38,670
Hello?

348
00:18:40,741 --> 00:18:41,676
Hello?

349
00:18:50,727 --> 00:18:53,132
♪ They know better♪

350
00:18:56,939 --> 00:18:58,543
All right, guys.

351
00:18:58,576 --> 00:19:03,385
We peaked at 300,
400 viewers. I think
it's time to go to sleep.

352
00:19:04,287 --> 00:19:05,891
I love all of you.

353
00:19:05,924 --> 00:19:07,393
I also hate all of you.

354
00:19:13,540 --> 00:19:15,911
HODGE: The drug company CEO
who raised the price

355
00:19:15,944 --> 00:19:20,186
of a lifesaving pill
by more than 5,000%
has been arrested.

356
00:19:20,219 --> 00:19:24,160
Martin Shkreli, characterized by
some as public enemy number one

357
00:19:24,194 --> 00:19:27,500
for the alleged
drug price gouging
he's been accused of

358
00:19:27,534 --> 00:19:30,139
is arrested Thursday morning
for something else.

359
00:19:30,172 --> 00:19:31,809
FEMALE NEWS ANCHOR:
Federal officials confirmed
to CBS News

360
00:19:31,843 --> 00:19:34,815
that Martin Shkreli faces
charges of securities fraud.

361
00:19:34,849 --> 00:19:38,990
We expect to learn more about
the case at a news conference
in about two hours.

362
00:19:39,024 --> 00:19:42,731
SHKRELI: That guy was banging
on my door, "Federal Agents.
Federal Agents."

363
00:19:42,765 --> 00:19:45,202
"Arrest warrant.
Arrest warrant.
Open the door!"

364
00:19:45,236 --> 00:19:50,312
My attorneys said that
the prosecutors would
alert me pre-arrest,

365
00:19:50,346 --> 00:19:53,252
give us one last chance
to show our innocence.

366
00:19:53,285 --> 00:19:55,122
Fucking morning of the arrest,
I was like,

367
00:19:55,156 --> 00:19:57,460
"Hey, what happened
to that one last chance?"

368
00:19:57,961 --> 00:19:59,064
Hello.

369
00:20:08,015 --> 00:20:11,054
SMYTHE: After he got arrested,
it was just like
a terrible day,

370
00:20:11,088 --> 00:20:13,258
outside in front of the
courthouse all day.

371
00:20:13,292 --> 00:20:16,666
We're all waiting in just
drenching rain for him to
come out.

372
00:20:16,699 --> 00:20:19,270
And he finally
came out looking

373
00:20:19,304 --> 00:20:21,374
pretty unfazed
by the whole thing.

374
00:20:24,180 --> 00:20:26,384
REPORTER:
Hey, man. Don't punch
my fucking camera.

375
00:20:29,625 --> 00:20:30,961
SMYTHE: That's what
people wanted.

376
00:20:30,994 --> 00:20:33,900
It's the tragedy
completing itself.

377
00:20:33,933 --> 00:20:35,804
You know, like he did something,

378
00:20:35,837 --> 00:20:36,939
It pissed everybody off.

379
00:20:36,973 --> 00:20:38,475
Now he should be punished.

380
00:20:38,510 --> 00:20:41,281
I assumed it was for
something related
to pharmaceuticals.

381
00:20:41,314 --> 00:20:45,657
And then I learned that
it wasn't that, it was
this hedge fund scheme,

382
00:20:45,690 --> 00:20:48,028
from years earlier,
and I hadn't even known

383
00:20:48,061 --> 00:20:50,534
that he had been
a hedge fund executive, really.

384
00:20:53,138 --> 00:20:55,577
Shkreli essentially
ran his companies

385
00:20:55,610 --> 00:20:59,685
like a Ponzi scheme,
where he used each
subsequent company

386
00:20:59,718 --> 00:21:04,427
to pay off defrauded investors
from the prior company.

387
00:21:04,461 --> 00:21:07,099
What he was accused off
was funneling money

388
00:21:07,133 --> 00:21:09,572
through these sort of
sham consulting agreements.

389
00:21:09,605 --> 00:21:15,282
If you rob a bank and then you
rob another bank and you repay
the first bank,

390
00:21:15,316 --> 00:21:17,186
you've still robbed
that first bank.

391
00:21:17,220 --> 00:21:20,259
Even if you gave the money back,
you still committed a crime.

392
00:21:20,292 --> 00:21:24,467
He wasn't on trial
for anything that America
accused him of, right?

393
00:21:24,502 --> 00:21:27,440
Like nobody cared
about the fraud shit. Nobody.

394
00:21:27,473 --> 00:21:31,448
They just know "Bad guy.
I want to point him out.

395
00:21:31,481 --> 00:21:33,218
"I want somebody to hate.

396
00:21:33,252 --> 00:21:35,356
"and I don't want to be wrong
for hating somebody."

397
00:21:35,389 --> 00:21:39,865
POLLACK: It's not hard
to imagine that once Martin
became infamous,

398
00:21:39,899 --> 00:21:42,704
they stepped up
their investigation.

399
00:21:42,738 --> 00:21:46,111
This was a feather
in their cap,
for arresting this person

400
00:21:46,144 --> 00:21:48,482
that people didn't like.

401
00:21:48,516 --> 00:21:53,526
It was him versus
the government,
and the government barely loses.

402
00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:56,833
America loves shit bags.
They just like it
on their condition.

403
00:21:56,866 --> 00:21:59,070
They like to be stroked
before they're fucked.

404
00:21:59,103 --> 00:22:01,474
Martin, just went in bare balls.

405
00:22:01,509 --> 00:22:02,978
That was the problem.

406
00:22:05,951 --> 00:22:07,955
[PHONE RINGING]

407
00:22:08,723 --> 00:22:10,359
Hmm. Another caller.

408
00:22:10,392 --> 00:22:12,163
Hello, caller.

409
00:22:13,365 --> 00:22:15,102
-HODGE: Hello?
-Yes.

410
00:22:16,271 --> 00:22:17,841
Martin?

411
00:22:17,875 --> 00:22:20,179
-Caller!
-Oh, my God I
actually reached you.

412
00:22:20,212 --> 00:22:22,450
Oh, my God.
You finally called.

413
00:22:22,483 --> 00:22:24,788
Okay, I'm very confused.

414
00:22:24,822 --> 00:22:26,391
Why are you going to jail,

415
00:22:26,424 --> 00:22:29,364
or being investigated?

416
00:22:29,397 --> 00:22:31,669
Yeah. He is being investigated.

417
00:22:31,702 --> 00:22:33,907
-No, I was arrested.
-Yeah.

418
00:22:33,940 --> 00:22:35,744
I was arrested.

419
00:22:35,777 --> 00:22:38,348
You, sometimes,
in the United States of America,
get a chance to post bail.

420
00:22:38,382 --> 00:22:40,319
Especially if it's
a non-violent crime.

421
00:22:40,352 --> 00:22:42,290
I have that opportunity.

422
00:22:42,323 --> 00:22:45,296
I posted bail
of $5 million, cash.

423
00:22:45,329 --> 00:22:48,335
There's $5 million
sitting in an account right now.

424
00:22:48,368 --> 00:22:52,109
While that money is there,
I'm allowed to go do
what I please.

425
00:22:52,143 --> 00:22:56,786
And, uh, let's see...

426
00:22:56,819 --> 00:22:59,490
The trial.
There's a jury trial.

427
00:22:59,525 --> 00:23:01,361
[PEOPLE SPEAKING
INDISTINCTLY ON PHONE]

428
00:23:01,394 --> 00:23:03,933
Sorry, there's a lot of
background noise. Do I have
your full attention?

429
00:23:08,342 --> 00:23:11,181
-Five million.
-Do I have your full attention?

430
00:23:11,214 --> 00:23:14,387
There's a lot of noise in the
background. Are you at
a party or something?

431
00:23:14,420 --> 00:23:18,262
How dare you disrespect me
like this? There's 1,000 people
listening to me.

432
00:23:18,295 --> 00:23:21,268
And you call me and you don't
have the deference to at least

433
00:23:21,301 --> 00:23:23,640
pay attention
to the conversation.
What is wrong with you?

434
00:23:23,673 --> 00:23:26,846
When I call someone, I give them
my full, undivided attention.

435
00:23:26,879 --> 00:23:28,048
Fucking prick.

436
00:23:31,054 --> 00:23:32,524
If we get arrested
you're paying for our bill?

437
00:23:32,557 --> 00:23:33,993
I know. We won't get arrested.

438
00:23:34,460 --> 00:23:36,431
I've, well...

439
00:23:36,464 --> 00:23:39,237
I've e-mailed these guys
probably five times now,

440
00:23:39,270 --> 00:23:41,274
and no one's gotten back to me.

441
00:23:41,308 --> 00:23:43,579
And so, we'll see if we can
get into this building.

442
00:23:43,613 --> 00:23:47,854
This whole area
is for pharmaceuticals.

443
00:23:47,888 --> 00:23:51,161
And the head office of one of
Martin Shkreli's old companies,

444
00:23:51,194 --> 00:23:52,296
is amongst them.

445
00:23:52,330 --> 00:23:54,200
Retrophin's right there.

446
00:23:54,233 --> 00:23:56,672
We're gonna walk in.
We're gonna see if somebody
can finally talk to us.

447
00:23:56,706 --> 00:23:58,543
We'll see how it goes.
Wish us luck.

448
00:23:58,576 --> 00:23:59,878
Here we go.

449
00:24:01,481 --> 00:24:04,387
You did a foot shot.
That's cool.

450
00:24:04,420 --> 00:24:06,291
Should I tuck in my shirt
or leave it untucked?

451
00:24:06,324 --> 00:24:08,261
It won't matter

452
00:24:12,103 --> 00:24:13,539
Okay, second floor, Retrophin.

453
00:24:14,273 --> 00:24:15,242
Let's do it.

454
00:24:18,650 --> 00:24:19,518
Okay.

455
00:24:21,756 --> 00:24:23,693
That is not working.

456
00:24:23,726 --> 00:24:27,500
We're gonna try again or maybe
just wait by the elevators
till somebody goes up.

457
00:24:27,534 --> 00:24:29,605
That's what you have
to do to get the story.

458
00:24:30,406 --> 00:24:31,509
Oh, thank you.

459
00:24:43,733 --> 00:24:44,835
Did that guy go away?

460
00:24:47,908 --> 00:24:52,016
Okay, so we successfully
made it, at least to
the second floor.

461
00:24:52,049 --> 00:24:54,722
I'm just going to wait
for a receptionist,

462
00:24:54,755 --> 00:24:56,959
and hopefully
there's a way I can at least

463
00:24:56,992 --> 00:25:00,165
talk to somebody in
communications or PR.
And get a couple answers here.

464
00:25:00,199 --> 00:25:02,303
So let's wait around.

465
00:25:02,336 --> 00:25:04,407
I'm not in a hurry.
I'm in San Diego.

466
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:05,643
I'm not in a hurry.

467
00:25:08,850 --> 00:25:14,962
Here's a Retrophin
corporate fact sheet.

468
00:25:14,995 --> 00:25:17,266
I don't see
Martin's face on there.

469
00:25:18,669 --> 00:25:20,940
This company looks
kind of interesting.

470
00:25:24,113 --> 00:25:25,884
-Hi there.
-WOMAN: Hi,
have you been helped?

471
00:25:25,917 --> 00:25:27,654
No, not yet.
Actually, I was gonna ask you.

472
00:25:27,687 --> 00:25:30,960
So we're just looking to see
if there's a director
of communication

473
00:25:30,994 --> 00:25:32,864
for Retrophin.
We wanted to chat to him.

474
00:25:32,898 --> 00:25:35,770
There's an exec of the company,
Martin Shkreli.

475
00:25:35,804 --> 00:25:38,676
We're looking to see
if anyone can talk about

476
00:25:38,710 --> 00:25:40,714
our film and talk
about him at all.

477
00:25:40,747 --> 00:25:44,287
-I sincerely doubt it.
-Really?

478
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:46,191
I sincerely doubt it.

479
00:25:46,224 --> 00:25:50,299
Probably your best bet is going
to be to call in the morning.

480
00:25:50,332 --> 00:25:53,506
-Okay.
-And have them put you through

481
00:25:53,539 --> 00:25:55,008
to the director
of communication.

482
00:25:55,042 --> 00:25:56,478
-Okay. Sounds good.
-All right.

483
00:25:56,512 --> 00:25:57,647
Thank you so much.

484
00:25:58,415 --> 00:25:59,383
But...

485
00:26:02,056 --> 00:26:04,193
No, I'm saying tomorrow.

486
00:26:04,227 --> 00:26:07,032
No chances for
Martin Shkreli interview?

487
00:26:08,268 --> 00:26:09,538
He's not welcome
in the building.

488
00:26:09,571 --> 00:26:11,341
-We all spit on him.
-Really?

489
00:26:11,374 --> 00:26:13,980
Okay, well,
I love the artwork here.

490
00:26:14,013 --> 00:26:14,982
It looks great.

491
00:26:15,015 --> 00:26:16,317
-Thank you.
-Yeah. Thank you.

492
00:26:16,351 --> 00:26:18,155
I'll call them for the morning.
Thanks so much.

493
00:26:20,392 --> 00:26:22,196
I didn't get spit on
in the building.

494
00:26:23,131 --> 00:26:24,568
That's a positive.

495
00:26:29,243 --> 00:26:32,951
I think there are several
aspects of this story that
made it light on fire

496
00:26:32,984 --> 00:26:38,428
the way it did.
One was the people who were
affected by this price increase.

497
00:26:38,462 --> 00:26:42,136
Patients with HIV,
pregnant women,
people with cancer.

498
00:26:42,169 --> 00:26:45,577
I mean, these are obviously
vulnerable populations already,
and to take a drug

499
00:26:45,610 --> 00:26:49,117
and to make it inaccessible
to them just seems like
the height of all evil.

500
00:26:49,150 --> 00:26:52,123
It got the attention of the HIV
Medicine Association,

501
00:26:52,156 --> 00:26:54,060
the Infectious Diseases
Society of America.

502
00:26:54,093 --> 00:26:56,999
And then Andy Pollack in The
New York Times wrote
a big story about it.

503
00:26:57,032 --> 00:27:01,742
POLLACK: One minute after
I sent the email, he was on
the phone calling me up.

504
00:27:01,775 --> 00:27:04,413
He was happy to talk about it.

505
00:27:04,447 --> 00:27:09,023
Toward the end of our
conversation that time,
he began to realize

506
00:27:09,056 --> 00:27:12,764
this isn't going
to look good in the paper.

507
00:27:12,797 --> 00:27:17,039
ROBBINS: There's something
human about putting an actual
person into that story.

508
00:27:17,072 --> 00:27:21,247
We're used to nameless,
faceless corporations out
there just doing evil.

509
00:27:21,281 --> 00:27:24,287
POLLACK:
Just a combination of things.
Hillary's tweet,

510
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:29,197
Martin's personality,
financial hedge fund
profiteering.

511
00:27:29,230 --> 00:27:30,667
The whole situation went viral.

512
00:27:30,700 --> 00:27:33,305
This was something that
everyone could attack.

513
00:27:35,543 --> 00:27:39,283
There are things that
are done in this industry
in terms of pricing

514
00:27:39,317 --> 00:27:41,120
that people try not
to talk about.

515
00:27:41,154 --> 00:27:42,724
And he talked about them all.

516
00:27:42,757 --> 00:27:46,497
It's hard to believe that
somebody could be
so driven by greed.

517
00:27:46,532 --> 00:27:48,034
ROBBINS: People from
the pharmaceutical industry

518
00:27:48,068 --> 00:27:50,472
that were distancing
themselves from him

519
00:27:50,507 --> 00:27:54,280
as if he was the bad apple,
politicians coming after him.

520
00:27:54,313 --> 00:27:57,486
The whole time
he was responding,
he needed a PR person,

521
00:27:57,521 --> 00:27:59,490
and somebody needed
to give him some duct tape.

522
00:27:59,525 --> 00:28:01,394
He brought
the attention to himself.

523
00:28:01,427 --> 00:28:04,701
And he also can
get under people's skin
very effectively.

524
00:28:04,735 --> 00:28:06,839
COHEN: Unapologetically
price gouging.

525
00:28:06,872 --> 00:28:09,343
SMYTHE: The social media
horror story on steroids.

526
00:28:09,377 --> 00:28:13,451
POLLACK: His willingness
to be in the limelight
even if it's in a bad way.

527
00:28:13,485 --> 00:28:15,422
CILVARINGZ: Martin just says
what comes to mind.

528
00:28:15,455 --> 00:28:17,561
Like he was
saying some dumb shit.

529
00:28:17,594 --> 00:28:21,835
CALDWELL: You're a bro and you
embody the problems of the
pharmaceutical industry.

530
00:28:21,869 --> 00:28:25,242
COHEN: The poster child
for bad activity in
the pharma world.

531
00:28:25,275 --> 00:28:28,315
CALDWELL:
This is a person who is
a living embodiment of it.

532
00:28:28,348 --> 00:28:30,285
ABERG: It's 100% about profit.

533
00:28:30,319 --> 00:28:32,791
COHEN: It was just so clear,
like, the bullshit was
just on display.

534
00:28:43,178 --> 00:28:45,349
SMYTHE: Is Martin Shkreli
the most hated man in America?

535
00:28:45,382 --> 00:28:49,290
There would be no negative story
about Martin Shkreli
that would not get written.

536
00:28:49,323 --> 00:28:51,762
You know, most news reporters
are not supposed
to use adjectives.

537
00:28:51,795 --> 00:28:53,866
But you could just load
adjectives and stories
about him,

538
00:28:53,899 --> 00:28:57,741
and it would be fine.
Someone called him a human
mysterious mattress stain.

539
00:28:57,774 --> 00:29:01,080
If I take that money
and I'm using it to do
research for dying kids,

540
00:29:01,114 --> 00:29:02,851
I think I'm a hero,
let alone evil.

541
00:29:02,884 --> 00:29:06,659
ABERG: He knew what he
was doing was not illegal.

542
00:29:06,692 --> 00:29:09,932
One of the loopholes,
and he knew it was
a way to make money.

543
00:29:09,965 --> 00:29:14,206
Generally, you rely
on morality of entrepreneurs
to just not do that.

544
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:16,344
But there are always exceptions,

545
00:29:16,377 --> 00:29:18,749
the increasing costs seem
completely gratuitous.

546
00:29:20,118 --> 00:29:22,022
No country can set at our price.

547
00:29:22,056 --> 00:29:24,962
Drug companies set drug prices.
And that's the rule
of law today.

548
00:29:24,995 --> 00:29:28,703
If you don't like that,
you know, I don't know
what to tell you.

549
00:29:28,736 --> 00:29:31,207
That's the way the world works.

550
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,781
ABERG: "For those that point
a finger at me I point
one back."

551
00:29:34,815 --> 00:29:39,591
"It's not my index,
and it's not my pinkie."
It's like, "Really?" Grow up.

552
00:29:39,625 --> 00:29:42,764
I mean, that's when
I was like, "Oh, no.

553
00:29:42,797 --> 00:29:45,837
"We're dealing with somebody
that's very immature."

554
00:29:45,870 --> 00:29:49,110
He was able to bring people's
emotions into this story

555
00:29:49,143 --> 00:29:52,249
in a way that is needed
for people to care about it.

556
00:29:52,282 --> 00:29:57,594
He was a different kind of
hateable than your faceless
corporate CEO.

557
00:29:57,627 --> 00:30:00,432
And I don't know anyone
that gave him a chance.

558
00:30:06,077 --> 00:30:08,816
♪ For just a bill I could
cop a little, roll it up

559
00:30:08,849 --> 00:30:11,555
♪ They say Seattle gotta chill
I think we're cold as fuck

560
00:30:11,588 --> 00:30:14,160
♪ You want some warmth
buy a coffee, hold the cup

561
00:30:14,193 --> 00:30:16,999
♪ Go back to where
you came from, tell them
that you rode the duck♪

562
00:30:17,032 --> 00:30:21,975
HODGE: Billy the Fridge
is a 500-pound rapper
and sex symbol.

563
00:30:22,009 --> 00:30:24,213
[LAUGHS] Yeah, a little bit.

564
00:30:24,246 --> 00:30:26,852
But beyond that,
I'm a cute boy.

565
00:30:26,885 --> 00:30:28,188
I can't help it.

566
00:30:28,221 --> 00:30:30,827
I'm like the Marilyn Monroe
of fat dudes.

567
00:30:30,860 --> 00:30:32,831
HODGE: Do you think
Martin Shkreli's a bad guy?

568
00:30:32,864 --> 00:30:36,004
No, not at all.

569
00:30:36,037 --> 00:30:39,377
I know
he considers me a friend,
and I consider him a friend.

570
00:30:39,410 --> 00:30:41,849
He's a very regular person
when you get past the fact

571
00:30:41,882 --> 00:30:45,222
that he, you know,
is a very controversial person.

572
00:30:45,255 --> 00:30:48,061
You could put all the clips
together where he's being
a mean

573
00:30:48,094 --> 00:30:50,032
son of a bitch to people.

574
00:30:50,065 --> 00:30:53,171
But you probably could have
even longer where
he's sitting down

575
00:30:53,204 --> 00:30:57,012
and just being
a good human, too.

576
00:30:57,046 --> 00:31:00,052
But it's not as fun
as the fuckin' shit talk.
[LAUGHS]

577
00:31:02,022 --> 00:31:05,696
Three hundred dollars.
Buy one yourself,
you poor piece of shit.

578
00:31:05,730 --> 00:31:07,934
Go to another country,
you want free healthcare, go.

579
00:31:07,967 --> 00:31:09,571
Go to, Canada, go.

580
00:31:09,604 --> 00:31:12,811
I didn't spell
anything wrong, bitch.

581
00:31:12,844 --> 00:31:18,021
BILLY: Maybe he was trolling
to get away from the fact that
his world was crumbling.

582
00:31:18,054 --> 00:31:19,725
Fuck you too.

583
00:31:19,758 --> 00:31:25,737
The best thing about trolling
is you get to create
a world, right?

584
00:31:25,770 --> 00:31:28,909
You're gonna create a moment
that is larger than life.

585
00:31:28,943 --> 00:31:31,915
It's unbelievable,
but people believe it.

586
00:31:31,949 --> 00:31:36,925
That's all. It's like magic.
Ta-da. [LAUGHS]

587
00:31:36,959 --> 00:31:39,363
They're like, "Well, fuck you.
This isn't real."

588
00:31:39,396 --> 00:31:42,269
Yeah, but it's part of the show.

589
00:31:42,302 --> 00:31:45,510
You got what you paid for.
You paid attention.

590
00:31:45,543 --> 00:31:52,557
I look at him and I see him,
as, you know, a person
whose great power,

591
00:31:55,128 --> 00:31:56,999
maybe was used irresponsibly.

592
00:31:57,867 --> 00:32:02,309
And he still has a great power.

593
00:32:02,342 --> 00:32:07,319
LANGLEY: The journalists
and publications decided to
make this guy the villain,

594
00:32:07,352 --> 00:32:09,858
and it was fun.
And he loved it.

595
00:32:09,891 --> 00:32:12,564
Martin loves
being that villain.

596
00:32:12,597 --> 00:32:16,772
Even his own real name,
Martin Shkreli sounds
like something

597
00:32:16,805 --> 00:32:18,441
Stan Lee would have made up.

598
00:32:18,475 --> 00:32:22,382
He looks for the positive
in even horrible situations.

599
00:32:22,416 --> 00:32:25,322
One horrible situation
being everybody hating you.

600
00:32:25,355 --> 00:32:27,961
I guess he just said,
"All right, if I'm gonna
be a supervillain,

601
00:32:27,994 --> 00:32:29,965
"I'm going to be
a supervillain."

602
00:32:29,998 --> 00:32:31,969
SHKRELI: It almost became
a thing where I wanted
to participate in it and say,

603
00:32:32,002 --> 00:32:33,171
"Yeah, I am evil."

604
00:32:33,204 --> 00:32:34,774
I'll be the Bond villain.

605
00:32:34,808 --> 00:32:38,616
CALDWELL:
Willingly and knowingly
painted his narrative

606
00:32:38,649 --> 00:32:41,154
as terribly as possible.

607
00:32:41,187 --> 00:32:45,195
SHKRELI: A lot of times people
want an enemy. And if I'm
that enemy for you, good.

608
00:32:45,228 --> 00:32:47,734
I'm happy, man.
I'm fulfilling some need
in your life.

609
00:32:50,740 --> 00:32:53,813
LANGLEY: There's this tendency
for us to want to dichotomize

610
00:32:53,846 --> 00:32:56,885
the villains and the heroes.
To see the villains as all bad.

611
00:32:56,919 --> 00:32:59,558
There's something very human
in that aspect.

612
00:32:59,591 --> 00:33:01,595
In the comic books
there have been
a couple of times

613
00:33:01,628 --> 00:33:03,331
when Dr. Doom
took over the world.

614
00:33:03,364 --> 00:33:07,439
Each time Doom
got bored with it
and created opportunities

615
00:33:07,472 --> 00:33:10,111
for others to challenge him,
to attack him.

616
00:33:10,145 --> 00:33:11,849
INTERVIEWER:
It's supposed to be
an incentive system.

617
00:33:11,882 --> 00:33:13,552
I don't know
what it's supposed to be.

618
00:33:13,586 --> 00:33:15,790
It's a business.
We're supposed to make
as much money as possible.

619
00:33:15,823 --> 00:33:18,629
The Joker understands
a lot of the worst
qualities of people.

620
00:33:18,662 --> 00:33:22,837
This frustration with the rest
of the world at not getting

621
00:33:22,871 --> 00:33:24,541
the joke as he sees it.

622
00:33:24,574 --> 00:33:27,714
I didn't say I was joking.
You saw the video.
Get outta here, man.

623
00:33:27,747 --> 00:33:29,450
Now you're disrespecting me.

624
00:33:29,483 --> 00:33:32,322
LANGLEY: They'll perceive
anything from other people
as a threat.

625
00:33:32,356 --> 00:33:35,462
I feel like you think of
yourself a sort of Lex Luthor.

626
00:33:35,495 --> 00:33:37,767
LANGLEY: Lex Luthor
is also a philanthropist,

627
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:41,542
The Riddler, he's not
secure in his ego,
even as large as it is.

628
00:33:41,575 --> 00:33:43,946
The Penguin was this
odd looking little kid,

629
00:33:43,979 --> 00:33:47,085
and now he wants to show
the world "I'm bigger
than you ever knew

630
00:33:47,119 --> 00:33:48,622
"I was going to be."

631
00:33:48,656 --> 00:33:52,664
And Shkreli seems
to be very driven
by that need to achieve.

632
00:33:52,697 --> 00:33:55,703
We need to know that we've had
an effect, that we've mattered.

633
00:33:55,736 --> 00:33:59,109
Because eventually,
we're not going to be here.

634
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:02,282
SHKRELI: Hello?

635
00:34:02,316 --> 00:34:04,086
MAN: Hey, Martin,
question for you.

636
00:34:04,119 --> 00:34:06,257
Do you always
think you're gonna
be the super villain?

637
00:34:06,290 --> 00:34:09,965
The only question is,
what are you gonna do about it?

638
00:34:09,998 --> 00:34:11,500
[LAUGHS]

639
00:34:14,941 --> 00:34:19,116
CALDWELL: Trying to understand
the kind of mind that
has the value system

640
00:34:19,149 --> 00:34:24,694
to get enjoyment
from that, it's so delicious
and fascinating.

641
00:34:24,728 --> 00:34:27,734
MILO YIANNOPOULOS:
Most people aren't bad.
They just have different ideas

642
00:34:27,767 --> 00:34:29,270
about how the world
should look.

643
00:34:29,303 --> 00:34:32,644
This super villain thing
is sort of like part joke.

644
00:34:32,677 --> 00:34:35,850
Well, like all great brands,

645
00:34:35,883 --> 00:34:38,689
it contains a kernel of truth,
and the rest is marketing.

646
00:34:43,732 --> 00:34:48,107
There's a line in a Batman comic
when the Penguin said,
"What's the point

647
00:34:48,141 --> 00:34:51,982
"in committing the perfect
crime, if no one knows
it was you who did it?"

648
00:34:59,664 --> 00:35:02,904
My name is Cilvaringz.
I'm a producing artist
with Wu-Tang Clan.

649
00:35:02,937 --> 00:35:06,945
I came up with the concept
for the Once Upon a Time
in Shaolin album,

650
00:35:06,979 --> 00:35:10,218
the one copy album,
and I produced
the entire record as well,

651
00:35:10,251 --> 00:35:11,655
right here in Marrakesh.

652
00:35:13,993 --> 00:35:17,667
In a few minutes, we'll be
playing you Once Upon
a Time in Shaolin.

653
00:35:17,700 --> 00:35:22,309
It will be the first
and last time any music
from this work will be heard

654
00:35:22,342 --> 00:35:23,946
by anyone else.

655
00:35:23,979 --> 00:35:28,354
MAN: In doing
this announcement
we reclaimed the idea that

656
00:35:28,388 --> 00:35:33,164
recorded music
should be regarded
as a work of art.

657
00:35:33,197 --> 00:35:36,103
HODGE: You had
some offers on this,
but why Martin Shkreli?

658
00:35:36,137 --> 00:35:39,744
He was the only one
that really respected it

659
00:35:39,778 --> 00:35:42,850
for the concept behind it.

660
00:35:42,884 --> 00:35:45,255
Music wasn't seen
as art anymore.

661
00:35:45,288 --> 00:35:50,933
The way we released
this album is the way
originally music was sold.

662
00:35:50,966 --> 00:35:55,375
Why not release a work
of music as a work of art,
as one single piece?

663
00:35:55,408 --> 00:35:59,149
Martin Shkreli looked like
a dude that was, you know,
into hip-hop.

664
00:35:59,183 --> 00:36:03,157
He was really loving
the concept and wanted
to be part of the concept.

665
00:36:03,191 --> 00:36:06,898
And we said "That fits."

666
00:36:06,932 --> 00:36:08,936
SHKRELI: The point is, I wanted
to show respect for art.

667
00:36:08,969 --> 00:36:11,675
That's something that people
are not doing these days.

668
00:36:11,708 --> 00:36:13,512
MAN: Release the fucking
Wu-Tang album.

669
00:36:14,614 --> 00:36:16,585
Are you a big fan?

670
00:36:16,618 --> 00:36:19,624
What was the last
Wu-Tang album called?

671
00:36:21,528 --> 00:36:24,834
Uh... Bye.

672
00:36:25,836 --> 00:36:27,239
You wanna hear Wu-Tang?

673
00:36:29,076 --> 00:36:30,378
Wu-Tang Clan?

674
00:36:32,149 --> 00:36:34,754
Let's get back to these
closures, okay?

675
00:36:34,788 --> 00:36:38,361
Trashy was sitting
on my Wu-Tang album.
Tried to reach out and pet her,

676
00:36:38,394 --> 00:36:39,631
it scared her.

677
00:36:39,664 --> 00:36:41,233
And she bounced.

678
00:36:41,267 --> 00:36:42,870
I think it's broken now.

679
00:36:42,904 --> 00:36:45,509
HODGE: You think
he was disrespecting
the Wu-Tang album?

680
00:36:45,543 --> 00:36:47,847
I don't see
the problem with that.

681
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:49,116
You know, it's his.

682
00:36:49,149 --> 00:36:50,586
He can do whatever he wants.

683
00:36:50,619 --> 00:36:52,557
SHKRELI: This is my coaster,
as you guys can see here.

684
00:36:52,590 --> 00:36:54,259
HODGE: But he was using
the album as a coaster.

685
00:36:54,293 --> 00:36:56,665
Yeah, he was
being an asshole
with it sometimes.

686
00:36:56,698 --> 00:36:59,571
Like, he was saying
some dumb shit.

687
00:36:59,604 --> 00:37:01,608
See, Martin just says
what comes to mind.

688
00:37:16,404 --> 00:37:19,677
Tell you a funny thing.
You know who has been
most on point?

689
00:37:19,711 --> 00:37:22,449
I think even
with Martin's story,
has been TMZ.

690
00:37:22,482 --> 00:37:25,856
REPORTER: Ghostface Killah,
I got to ask you guys, man,
you guys know that guy

691
00:37:25,890 --> 00:37:28,394
bought your guys' CD
for $2 million at the auction.

692
00:37:28,428 --> 00:37:29,964
Yeah, that [BLEEP] head.

693
00:37:29,998 --> 00:37:31,835
Yeah, [BLEEP] head bought it.

694
00:37:31,868 --> 00:37:34,039
You know, most people
don't ever try to be...

695
00:37:34,072 --> 00:37:35,275
You know what?

696
00:37:35,308 --> 00:37:38,649
What do you guys think?
Nobody's that dumb.

697
00:37:38,682 --> 00:37:41,621
Just because he was in the
Wu-Tang Clan 20 years ago,
doesn't make him

698
00:37:41,655 --> 00:37:43,826
-a tough guy.
-REPORTER 1:
Now you're talking.

699
00:37:43,859 --> 00:37:46,698
REPORTER 2: The feud continues
to escalate between former
Turing Pharmaceutical CEO

700
00:37:46,731 --> 00:37:48,267
and Ghostface Killah.

701
00:37:48,301 --> 00:37:50,171
If he were here right now,
I'd smack him right
in the face.

702
00:37:50,205 --> 00:37:52,442
-FEMALE RADIO HOST:
No, you wouldn't.
-Absolutely.

703
00:37:52,476 --> 00:37:55,315
These guys got serious goons.

704
00:37:55,348 --> 00:37:59,189
They will come and F you up,
like, this is serious.
Don't challenge.

705
00:37:59,223 --> 00:38:01,193
Nobody's ever
challenged the clan.

706
00:38:01,227 --> 00:38:02,697
I think there's a saying
you're all familiar with.

707
00:38:02,730 --> 00:38:05,034
-It's called "I wish you would."
-[MALE RADIO HOST LAUGHS]

708
00:38:05,068 --> 00:38:09,811
There could be real
consequences, in that
it might be a criminal threat.

709
00:38:09,844 --> 00:38:11,815
You think it's
a criminal threat?
What, are you a lawyer?

710
00:38:11,848 --> 00:38:14,052
-I am.
-Yeah, actually he is. [LAUGHS]

711
00:38:14,086 --> 00:38:15,856
SHKRELI:
What do you know?

712
00:38:15,890 --> 00:38:19,429
You must be on Ritalin
or something, man. I mean,
take the stop, man.

713
00:38:19,463 --> 00:38:21,935
It's like you a fake ass
supervillain, man.

714
00:38:21,968 --> 00:38:24,072
I swear on anything,
youse is a fake supervillain.

715
00:38:24,106 --> 00:38:29,851
If we are preaching this
dystopian future for music.
I mean, what better symbol

716
00:38:29,884 --> 00:38:32,857
for a dystopian music future
than Martin Shkreli.

717
00:38:32,890 --> 00:38:37,533
That it ends up in the hands of
this most evil man in America.

718
00:38:38,501 --> 00:38:39,804
Nah, I'm cool.

719
00:38:42,743 --> 00:38:45,549
Yeah, so I'm just
doing an interview.

720
00:38:45,583 --> 00:38:46,518
Real quick.

721
00:38:47,419 --> 00:38:48,722
I'll talk to you in a minute.

722
00:38:50,024 --> 00:38:51,595
All right.

723
00:38:51,628 --> 00:38:54,333
Let me tell you something
about Martin Shkreli.

724
00:38:54,366 --> 00:38:57,372
He wouldn't bust a grape
in a fruit fight.

725
00:38:57,405 --> 00:38:58,876
He wouldn't do
none of that shit.

726
00:38:59,777 --> 00:39:01,681
He ain't no gangster.

727
00:39:01,715 --> 00:39:03,451
I ain't no gangster.

728
00:39:03,484 --> 00:39:06,123
You know what I mean?
I'll just put that work in.

729
00:39:06,156 --> 00:39:09,129
Where it needs to be put in.
You see what I am saying?

730
00:39:09,162 --> 00:39:14,507
You wanna jump from $13
to $750 for one fucking pill.

731
00:39:15,408 --> 00:39:16,945
Like, yo,

732
00:39:16,978 --> 00:39:20,619
that shit better make you live
for a million years.

733
00:39:20,653 --> 00:39:24,159
That move he did was
a fake ass gangster move.

734
00:39:24,192 --> 00:39:26,130
You know what I mean?
Doing that shit like that.

735
00:39:26,163 --> 00:39:28,635
But then you're going
to start all this commotion
and beefing

736
00:39:28,669 --> 00:39:32,309
and doing all this dumb shit,
like, "Fuck that guy's face,
I'll smack..."

737
00:39:32,342 --> 00:39:35,816
It's like, nigga, you see me
right now, you wouldn't do shit.

738
00:39:35,849 --> 00:39:39,757
It's not even in your heart,
you know what I mean?

739
00:39:39,791 --> 00:39:41,928
I read you.

740
00:39:41,962 --> 00:39:45,235
I'm talking about, I'll look you
dead in your fucking eyes, B.

741
00:39:45,268 --> 00:39:48,842
And from head to toe and just
see what type of nigga you is.

742
00:39:48,875 --> 00:39:51,548
You see what I'm saying?
He's not that dude.

743
00:39:51,581 --> 00:39:53,719
And I'm not the one
to promote violence.

744
00:39:53,752 --> 00:39:58,160
But for him, well,
I don't give a fuck.

745
00:39:58,194 --> 00:40:01,835
HODGE: So,
this kid buys this album,
named Martin Shkreli.

746
00:40:01,868 --> 00:40:04,741
I don't want to talk about
Shkreli no more. Fuck Shkreli.

747
00:40:04,774 --> 00:40:08,214
I don't want to talk about this
fucking motherfucker no more.

748
00:40:11,053 --> 00:40:13,792
YIANNOPOULOS:
The best example
of him using money

749
00:40:13,825 --> 00:40:17,165
for nihilistic political ends
is the album.

750
00:40:17,198 --> 00:40:22,843
If you're gonna
buy the Wu-Tang album,
which is gonna really annoy

751
00:40:22,877 --> 00:40:26,751
millions of Americans,
go the whole way
and fucking burn the thing.

752
00:40:26,785 --> 00:40:30,091
Melt it on a livestream.
And that's what
I would have done.

753
00:40:30,124 --> 00:40:32,195
If I'd had the money available,
I would have melted it.

754
00:40:32,228 --> 00:40:34,399
I would have liked
to have taken it.

755
00:40:34,433 --> 00:40:36,838
Here we have Milo. Take one.

756
00:40:36,871 --> 00:40:39,009
There'll only be one take.
We'll only need one take.

757
00:40:39,042 --> 00:40:43,852
One will be fine.
We're in the hands of
very experienced professionals.

758
00:40:47,292 --> 00:40:50,866
REPORTER 1:
Extra security on hand
ahead of an appearance

759
00:40:50,899 --> 00:40:54,507
by ultra conservative columnist
Milo Yiannopoulos.

760
00:40:54,540 --> 00:40:57,813
REPORTER 2: Speech shutdown
tonight after protesters
converge on campus

761
00:40:57,847 --> 00:41:01,821
where a pair of controversial
political speakers
were scheduled to talk.

762
00:41:01,855 --> 00:41:04,426
REPORTER 3: When former
pharmaceutical CEO
Martin Shkreli

763
00:41:04,459 --> 00:41:06,230
emerged from the building,

764
00:41:06,263 --> 00:41:08,702
demonstrators forced him back
into the police line.

765
00:41:08,735 --> 00:41:12,042
MAN: You're about being
a fucking cocksucker
who raised the drug prices

766
00:41:12,075 --> 00:41:16,016
for cancer patients,
you fucking piece of shit!

767
00:41:16,050 --> 00:41:17,653
[CROWD CLAMORING ANGRILY]

768
00:41:39,363 --> 00:41:40,733
YIANNOPOULOUS:
Daddy Will Save Us.

769
00:41:40,766 --> 00:41:42,268
Just kind of like
a conceptual art show.

770
00:41:42,302 --> 00:41:44,239
Anti-political correctness.
You know, burn the house down

771
00:41:44,272 --> 00:41:46,143
kind of feeling
of surrounding Trump.

772
00:41:46,176 --> 00:41:48,481
People don't feel able to make
the joke they wanna make.

773
00:41:48,515 --> 00:41:50,819
Use the language
they want to use,
express the opinion

774
00:41:50,853 --> 00:41:52,656
that they previously thought
that they wanted to.

775
00:41:52,690 --> 00:41:54,259
This is devastating.

776
00:41:54,292 --> 00:41:57,733
Devastating for culture,
it's the worst imaginable
thing to do

777
00:41:57,767 --> 00:42:01,306
at precisely the time
when we should be
celebrating all that is great.

778
00:42:01,340 --> 00:42:04,446
We're producing culture
that is utterly moribund

779
00:42:04,479 --> 00:42:05,849
and completely uninteresting.

780
00:42:05,883 --> 00:42:08,320
And expecting that
it will by itself save us.

781
00:42:08,354 --> 00:42:11,761
And it won't. But Daddy might
save us, and that was
the point of the art show.

782
00:42:14,834 --> 00:42:17,138
HODGE: Let's talk
about this art show,
'cause I was there.

783
00:42:17,172 --> 00:42:19,544
You were? You liked it?

784
00:42:19,577 --> 00:42:21,848
HODGE: No,
it was actually
kind of scary.

785
00:42:21,881 --> 00:42:25,488
YIANNOPOULOS: It was kind of
a little bit weird, a little
bit creepy that there was

786
00:42:25,522 --> 00:42:29,062
an opportunity
for disruptive art
created by conservatives

787
00:42:29,096 --> 00:42:31,166
to make a mark on culture.

788
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:34,206
Hi, I'm Martin Shkreli
and I'm one of the contributing
artists here tonight.

789
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:37,613
He had a pill, a Daraprim pill,

790
00:42:37,646 --> 00:42:39,517
just on display
with the price tag.

791
00:42:39,550 --> 00:42:42,422
This pill represents to me,

792
00:42:42,455 --> 00:42:45,562
the purity
and the pricelessness of life.

793
00:42:45,596 --> 00:42:49,971
At the end of the day,
we all want to be healthy.

794
00:42:50,004 --> 00:42:52,208
We all want to be successful
and happy.

795
00:42:52,242 --> 00:42:54,781
I'm happy to be here
and supporting
the conservative movement

796
00:42:54,814 --> 00:42:57,285
here in New York City,
which is overwhelmingly liberal.

797
00:42:57,318 --> 00:42:59,389
I think conservatives
need to stick together.

798
00:42:59,423 --> 00:43:01,460
And thank you, everyone,
for having me.

799
00:43:06,370 --> 00:43:07,372
HODGE: That's him.

800
00:43:10,144 --> 00:43:11,681
-Howdy.
-Nice to meet you.

801
00:43:13,451 --> 00:43:15,054
Not bad.

802
00:43:15,087 --> 00:43:17,125
HODGE: So there's
one part of the story
that nobody knows.

803
00:43:17,158 --> 00:43:19,764
YIANNOPOULOUS:
I like being the first person
to know things.

804
00:43:19,797 --> 00:43:22,970
I decided to move
into Martin's apartment building

805
00:43:23,003 --> 00:43:24,740
and get closer to him,

806
00:43:24,774 --> 00:43:26,778
and find out who he really is.

807
00:43:26,811 --> 00:43:30,318
[LAUGHS] Okay.

808
00:43:30,351 --> 00:43:32,756
You just decided to live
in his apartment building,

809
00:43:32,790 --> 00:43:34,594
that's where you want to go.

810
00:43:34,627 --> 00:43:37,332
You want to go there,
you know what I mean?
You paid for it.

811
00:43:37,365 --> 00:43:38,635
Yeah, so...

812
00:43:38,668 --> 00:43:40,672
It is what it is.
What you find out?

813
00:43:41,273 --> 00:43:43,244
[HODGE SPEAKING]

814
00:43:43,277 --> 00:43:46,216
Okay. So, yeah.
So, you know. That's it.

815
00:43:46,250 --> 00:43:47,653
-Yes, you're Brent. Okay.
-Okay.

816
00:43:47,686 --> 00:43:49,456
-Good to meet you.
-Meet my friend, James.

817
00:43:49,489 --> 00:43:50,491
-James. Yeah.
-Big night.

818
00:43:52,428 --> 00:43:54,266
-See you man
-Good luck.

819
00:43:54,299 --> 00:43:55,936
-I'll see you
in the building, man.
-I'll see you, there. bye.

820
00:43:56,638 --> 00:43:58,174
All right, so...

821
00:43:59,577 --> 00:44:01,213
HODGE: Do you think
that's a way

822
00:44:01,246 --> 00:44:04,085
to maybe get this film done,
so that you could speak to him?

823
00:44:04,119 --> 00:44:06,791
Do you think that's going
to out-troll the troll?

824
00:44:06,825 --> 00:44:11,400
No, I think he'd
find that hilariously,

825
00:44:11,433 --> 00:44:13,605
hilariously pathetic.

826
00:44:13,638 --> 00:44:15,609
Um... [LAUGHS]

827
00:44:15,642 --> 00:44:17,713
Okay, well,
out-trolling a troll...

828
00:44:17,746 --> 00:44:22,455
When you're trolling,
you have to find the
weak points to attack, right?

829
00:44:22,488 --> 00:44:25,094
So I've trolled Martin
a couple of times

830
00:44:25,127 --> 00:44:26,230
just messing with him.

831
00:44:26,263 --> 00:44:28,835
You kind of have to
go for the fact

832
00:44:28,869 --> 00:44:32,610
that he cared about me in a way,
you know, I was his buddy.

833
00:44:32,643 --> 00:44:35,181
So there's definitely ways
to troll the troll.

834
00:44:35,214 --> 00:44:37,920
You find what
they care about,
exploit it.

835
00:44:37,953 --> 00:44:41,493
If you had a cool, calm,
collective attack on Martin,

836
00:44:41,528 --> 00:44:43,865
play it through,
then he's usually
pretty chill about it.

837
00:44:43,899 --> 00:44:46,470
He'd be like,
"Okay, you got me."

838
00:44:46,504 --> 00:44:53,083
But if you open that can
of worms, you better be
ready to eat those worms.

839
00:44:53,117 --> 00:44:54,720
SHKRELI: Hello.
HODGE: Hey, is this Martin?

840
00:44:54,754 --> 00:44:56,089
Who the fuck is this?

841
00:45:09,584 --> 00:45:11,286
Okay, Martin is online.

842
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:14,259
Here we go.
Calling into the livestream.

843
00:45:14,927 --> 00:45:15,963
Wish us luck.

844
00:45:15,996 --> 00:45:16,898
Hello.

845
00:45:16,931 --> 00:45:18,234
Hello. What are you saying?

846
00:45:18,267 --> 00:45:19,937
Dude. Do you mind
if I hang up on you?

847
00:45:23,678 --> 00:45:25,749
I wouldn't say
it's the easiest way
to make a film,

848
00:45:25,782 --> 00:45:27,853
but there is definitely access.

849
00:45:27,886 --> 00:45:28,989
He's available.

850
00:45:29,022 --> 00:45:31,260
I don't give a fuck
if you judge me.

851
00:45:31,293 --> 00:45:32,663
Real recognizes real.

852
00:45:32,696 --> 00:45:36,838
He's basically answering
all the questions I've ever had

853
00:45:36,871 --> 00:45:38,942
right here on his livestream.

854
00:45:38,975 --> 00:45:40,812
I know every kind
of martial art there is.

855
00:45:44,152 --> 00:45:48,294
I do think this back and forth
is about as close as
you can get to Martin Shkreli.

856
00:45:51,567 --> 00:45:54,239
If you really want to talk
some shit, give me a call.
Hello?

857
00:45:55,308 --> 00:45:56,978
HODGE: I see him around.

858
00:45:57,011 --> 00:45:59,316
I've been running
into him on the streets.

859
00:45:59,349 --> 00:46:00,886
I go to his meet-ups.

860
00:46:00,919 --> 00:46:03,625
Let's not forget,
we share the same view.

861
00:46:03,658 --> 00:46:05,796
A naked shower guy,
every night.

862
00:46:05,829 --> 00:46:09,637
Yeah, I still don't really know
who the real Martin Shkreli is.

863
00:46:09,670 --> 00:46:11,774
You're lying because
you're a chicken,

864
00:46:11,808 --> 00:46:16,016
over-privileged piece of shit,
scared shitless, kid.

865
00:46:16,049 --> 00:46:19,489
And I will nunchuck you into
another fucking multi-verse

866
00:46:19,523 --> 00:46:22,161
if you ever privilege
out me again.

867
00:46:23,263 --> 00:46:24,165
HODGE: Okay.

868
00:46:30,044 --> 00:46:32,683
I'm just so fucking exhausted
from watching this guy.

869
00:46:38,662 --> 00:46:41,534
It's funny. Even though
you watch him online like this.

870
00:46:41,567 --> 00:46:45,542
So you're a fat broke
loser, who uses Mom's
cell phone to call me

871
00:46:45,575 --> 00:46:48,715
and tell me that
his name is Jerkin-my-dad-off.

872
00:46:48,748 --> 00:46:50,151
He talks shit to people.

873
00:46:50,184 --> 00:46:51,788
He's just kind of
a piece of shit.

874
00:46:52,255 --> 00:46:53,591
And yet,

875
00:46:53,625 --> 00:46:56,263
I cannot help but feel
sorry for him, sometimes.

876
00:46:56,998 --> 00:46:58,935
[FAKE SOBS]

877
00:46:58,968 --> 00:47:00,338
Don't look at me.

878
00:47:00,371 --> 00:47:02,342
Don't fucking look at me.

879
00:47:02,375 --> 00:47:04,312
Get the camera out of my face.

880
00:47:05,247 --> 00:47:06,216
Bullshit.

881
00:47:07,118 --> 00:47:08,788
Gonna be alone forever.

882
00:47:09,623 --> 00:47:10,592
He...

883
00:47:11,728 --> 00:47:14,165
won't amount to anything.

884
00:47:14,199 --> 00:47:16,637
He's not important
in the grand scheme of things.

885
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:19,075
Maybe he is.

886
00:47:21,246 --> 00:47:23,718
I guess the trial
will determine that.

887
00:47:24,787 --> 00:47:27,158
And I'm sure the media
will cover it.

888
00:47:27,191 --> 00:47:30,565
REPORTER 1:
The Securities fraud trial
of Martin Shkreli.

889
00:47:30,599 --> 00:47:32,803
REPORTER 2: A trial date,
has been set for
Martin Shkreli.

890
00:47:32,836 --> 00:47:34,305
SHKRELI: The trial's
gonna start in June.

891
00:47:34,339 --> 00:47:36,611
That's going to be
quite a circus.
An exciting circus.

892
00:47:36,644 --> 00:47:38,380
We're going to win
by a landslide.

893
00:47:38,414 --> 00:47:40,384
The evidence is clear
that I did nothing wrong.

894
00:47:40,418 --> 00:47:42,689
A billion dollars
goes missing, that's fraud.

895
00:47:42,723 --> 00:47:44,259
My investors sent me
Christmas cards.

896
00:47:53,545 --> 00:47:55,716
REPORTER 3:
Charged with Securities fraud.

897
00:47:55,749 --> 00:47:58,521
REPORTER 4: Federal prosecutors
say Shkreli cheated investors
out of more than

898
00:47:58,555 --> 00:48:01,193
$11 million in a Ponzi scheme.

899
00:48:01,226 --> 00:48:06,036
If convicted, the
34-year-old could spend
up to 20 years in prison.

900
00:48:06,069 --> 00:48:07,438
REPORTER 5: Shkreli's
lawyer Ben Brafman,

901
00:48:07,472 --> 00:48:09,242
arguing that the trial
is very complex.

902
00:48:09,275 --> 00:48:11,113
NEWS HOST: You have
a new legal team in place.

903
00:48:11,146 --> 00:48:12,916
This is a lawyer
who is very well known.

904
00:48:12,950 --> 00:48:15,889
SHKRELI: I have
hired Ben Brafman
to represent me going forward.

905
00:48:15,922 --> 00:48:17,659
His track record is impeccable.

906
00:48:17,693 --> 00:48:21,868
I'm a person who people
come to when they are
in serious trouble.

907
00:48:21,901 --> 00:48:23,571
Martin was in serious trouble.

908
00:48:23,605 --> 00:48:27,044
Every once in a while I come
across a Martin Shkreli

909
00:48:27,078 --> 00:48:32,321
who's unique in so many ways
that the challenge is just,

910
00:48:32,355 --> 00:48:35,662
you know,
too interesting to avoid.

911
00:48:35,695 --> 00:48:40,337
It's my job to make the system
work fairly and honestly.

912
00:48:44,547 --> 00:48:47,519
You put someone in handcuffs
and take them away,

913
00:48:47,553 --> 00:48:49,122
you've changed
their life forever.

914
00:48:49,155 --> 00:48:51,727
The presumption
of innocence be damned.

915
00:48:53,598 --> 00:48:57,238
If we don't require
the application of the rules,

916
00:48:57,271 --> 00:49:00,879
then I think as a society
we're really not a democracy.

917
00:49:03,718 --> 00:49:08,728
Sometimes, I'm the only person
who is standing next to you.

918
00:49:08,761 --> 00:49:13,738
When you are
a high profile person
who is being vilified,

919
00:49:13,771 --> 00:49:15,307
I'm like a life boat.

920
00:49:15,341 --> 00:49:17,411
If everything works perfectly,
we're gonna be able to save you.

921
00:49:17,445 --> 00:49:20,585
It's got to work perfectly,
and you've got to be fortunate.

922
00:49:20,619 --> 00:49:22,823
You've got to be quiet
for the next two years.

923
00:49:22,856 --> 00:49:26,396
Typically, when you have
a defendant who's on trial,
they're on their best behavior.

924
00:49:26,429 --> 00:49:28,100
The prosecution
should be embarrassed.

925
00:49:28,133 --> 00:49:29,904
They barely did their homework.

926
00:49:29,937 --> 00:49:31,339
Why do they keep
coming after you?

927
00:49:31,373 --> 00:49:33,678
You know,
I just can't fathom,

928
00:49:33,711 --> 00:49:35,481
I guess it might have
something to do with me
being very handsome,

929
00:49:35,515 --> 00:49:38,187
-very wealthy, and very funny.
-[LAUGHS]

930
00:49:38,220 --> 00:49:40,357
Your attorney
can't be glad
that you're out here.

931
00:49:40,391 --> 00:49:42,295
I'm very different
from a lot of his other clients.

932
00:49:42,328 --> 00:49:44,432
There were times
when I wanted to, you know,

933
00:49:44,465 --> 00:49:46,737
wrap my arms around Martin
and hug him.

934
00:49:46,771 --> 00:49:49,042
There were times when I wanted
to punch him in the face.

935
00:49:50,377 --> 00:49:52,983
SMYTHE: You don't really cage
Martin Shkreli.

936
00:49:53,016 --> 00:49:54,954
You just can't.

937
00:49:54,987 --> 00:49:58,862
You can't tell someone
who thrives in conflict
to not create more conflict.

938
00:49:58,895 --> 00:50:01,299
You can't tell someone,
who, you know...

939
00:50:02,603 --> 00:50:05,474
thrives online
to not be online.

940
00:50:16,664 --> 00:50:18,233
HODGE: Martin Shkreli and women.

941
00:50:18,267 --> 00:50:21,039
How would you define
the girls in his life?

942
00:50:21,072 --> 00:50:22,743
It's really hard to define.

943
00:50:22,776 --> 00:50:26,684
I mean, there's a lot of,
especially lately,
a lot of young ones.

944
00:50:26,717 --> 00:50:30,057
The ones I've spoken to
all seem like, you know,

945
00:50:30,090 --> 00:50:32,461
people you'd want to sit down,
and have a conversation with.

946
00:50:37,706 --> 00:50:40,144
HODGE: How did you first
come across, Martin?

947
00:50:40,177 --> 00:50:43,016
So, I was going through
my Tinder.

948
00:50:43,050 --> 00:50:46,223
I saw that I had a super like.

949
00:50:48,327 --> 00:50:50,665
I saw that it looked like
Martin Shkreli.

950
00:50:50,699 --> 00:50:54,573
I swiped right thinking that
someone had done
a catfish profile.

951
00:50:54,607 --> 00:50:57,980
But it wasn't a catfish.

952
00:50:58,013 --> 00:50:59,783
It was really Martin.

953
00:50:59,817 --> 00:51:02,054
HODGE: So, tell me,
what was this date like?

954
00:51:02,088 --> 00:51:06,029
COLLIER: Better than
a lot of dates,
because he...

955
00:51:07,465 --> 00:51:09,269
He picked the place.

956
00:51:09,302 --> 00:51:13,678
He checked if they had
a vegetarian option
and he was relatively on time.

957
00:51:13,711 --> 00:51:15,649
So we ordered food.

958
00:51:15,682 --> 00:51:18,387
And then we had seen on the
menu that they had this
really expensive tea

959
00:51:18,420 --> 00:51:19,523
that was $120.

960
00:51:19,556 --> 00:51:21,994
This gold medal, Sencha.

961
00:51:22,028 --> 00:51:24,800
Who would order a $120 tea?

962
00:51:24,833 --> 00:51:26,169
And he orders it.

963
00:51:28,574 --> 00:51:30,512
And I said, "Did you like it?"

964
00:51:30,545 --> 00:51:33,584
And he said, "Oh, well,
you know, I'm not much of
a tea drinker, but it was good."

965
00:51:34,553 --> 00:51:36,524
Why did you order the tea?

966
00:51:41,701 --> 00:51:44,339
Okay, so just got here
to California.

967
00:51:44,372 --> 00:51:47,144
This is where Martin Shkreli's
ex-girlfriend lives.

968
00:51:47,178 --> 00:51:48,715
As I enter the house,

969
00:51:48,748 --> 00:51:50,117
I can see that she's gotten in

970
00:51:50,150 --> 00:51:52,488
a little bit of a fight
with her neighbors.

971
00:51:52,522 --> 00:51:55,929
Every time she passes by
their new fence
that they put up,

972
00:51:55,962 --> 00:51:58,233
she decides to
give them the finger.

973
00:51:58,266 --> 00:52:02,776
And so now they've posted photos
of her doing this.

974
00:52:02,809 --> 00:52:07,485
So I think it's
a fair conclusion to say that
Martin Shkreli's girlfriends

975
00:52:07,519 --> 00:52:11,527
maybe have some
trolling qualities
similar to him.

976
00:52:15,401 --> 00:52:16,971
What do you see
in Martin Shkreli?

977
00:52:17,004 --> 00:52:20,311
Very intelligent,
the most intelligent person
I've ever met.

978
00:52:20,344 --> 00:52:23,851
I find intelligence
to be incredibly attractive

979
00:52:23,885 --> 00:52:27,091
and incredibly important,
and it's hard to find.

980
00:52:27,124 --> 00:52:28,628
HODGE: How long
did you guys date for?

981
00:52:29,596 --> 00:52:31,099
HAYDEN: For about a year.

982
00:52:31,132 --> 00:52:33,470
But on and off, mostly off.

983
00:52:33,504 --> 00:52:35,608
But, yeah, about a year.

984
00:52:35,642 --> 00:52:38,681
There were times
where I just felt like

985
00:52:38,715 --> 00:52:41,353
there's no other person
that I connect with better,

986
00:52:41,386 --> 00:52:44,125
because I studied math
and I was really concerned

987
00:52:44,158 --> 00:52:48,467
that I wouldn't find somebody
who shared a lot of
the same interests as me.

988
00:52:49,803 --> 00:52:51,640
We got into a cab one time,

989
00:52:52,776 --> 00:52:54,580
I look over at him
and I was like,

990
00:52:54,613 --> 00:52:57,786
"I wonder what the probability
of stepping in the same cab
twice is?"

991
00:52:57,819 --> 00:53:01,627
And he goes,
"That's a great question.
Let's sit and figure it out."

992
00:53:01,660 --> 00:53:03,965
And he looks up
at the top of the cab.

993
00:53:03,998 --> 00:53:07,706
Based off those numbers
and those letters, we could
assume that they repeat

994
00:53:07,739 --> 00:53:10,912
and therefore,
there's this many taxis
out in New York,

995
00:53:10,945 --> 00:53:14,553
assuming 60% of them
are in commission
and currently running

996
00:53:14,586 --> 00:53:16,824
and they run
this many hours of a day.

997
00:53:16,857 --> 00:53:19,128
And we sat there
and did the math together

998
00:53:19,162 --> 00:53:22,168
and that was the most fun
that I've had in a while.

999
00:53:22,201 --> 00:53:24,439
And when we got home,
we Google searched

1000
00:53:24,472 --> 00:53:28,548
the numbers that we approximated
and we were pretty spot on.

1001
00:53:28,581 --> 00:53:30,819
That was like
the nerdiest romance ever.

1002
00:53:30,852 --> 00:53:33,958
But, yeah, I thought
it was romantic.
[LAUGHS]

1003
00:53:43,310 --> 00:53:44,747
SHKRELI: Lesson number one.

1004
00:53:44,780 --> 00:53:46,684
I'm not a fucking nice person.

1005
00:53:46,717 --> 00:53:47,619
Okay.

1006
00:53:48,053 --> 00:53:49,222
I'm not.

1007
00:53:49,255 --> 00:53:50,457
BILLY: How could he?

1008
00:53:50,491 --> 00:53:51,627
How could you?

1009
00:53:51,660 --> 00:53:53,497
Let's see how far
we can take this.

1010
00:53:53,531 --> 00:53:55,969
Let's see how evil I could be
in front of you.

1011
00:53:56,002 --> 00:53:58,841
People are the butt of the joke,
and that's okay,

1012
00:53:58,875 --> 00:54:01,614
as long as, you know,
you're not trying to

1013
00:54:01,647 --> 00:54:04,820
tear somebody's life apart.
You can poke,

1014
00:54:04,853 --> 00:54:07,024
just don't push, I guess.

1015
00:54:07,057 --> 00:54:13,470
We're so used to
polishing our image
for everyone all the time.

1016
00:54:13,504 --> 00:54:18,280
And here's this person
who's kind of famous
because he doesn't care.

1017
00:54:18,313 --> 00:54:20,652
Martin, you are now
the slightly famous

1018
00:54:20,685 --> 00:54:22,989
webcam personality
you grew up connecting with

1019
00:54:23,023 --> 00:54:25,829
because like me,
you have trouble
maintaining real relationships.

1020
00:54:25,862 --> 00:54:29,135
SMYTHE: It's a little twisted,
it's strange, sometimes
a little uncomfortable.

1021
00:54:29,168 --> 00:54:31,039
I mean, he's good at getting
under people's skin,

1022
00:54:31,072 --> 00:54:33,276
and I think he thinks it's fun.

1023
00:54:33,310 --> 00:54:36,650
How about that, fuck boy?
[LAUGHS OBNOXIOUSLY]

1024
00:54:38,821 --> 00:54:40,491
MAN: Nah, man.

1025
00:54:40,525 --> 00:54:42,896
Okay. So next time I fuck
your mom, I'm just gonna
let her know, okay?

1026
00:54:42,929 --> 00:54:45,434
You claim to love
black culture so much

1027
00:54:45,467 --> 00:54:48,340
by trying to get in
with all the rappers.

1028
00:54:48,373 --> 00:54:49,910
-My culture, I bought it.
-That's, not like a...

1029
00:54:49,943 --> 00:54:51,647
-I bought the culture,
it's mine!
-How do you...

1030
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:53,951
But let me tell you something.
With enough money,
I'll be black.

1031
00:54:53,985 --> 00:54:59,730
He just has this
unfathomable well of potential
for mischief or harm,

1032
00:54:59,763 --> 00:55:03,103
I guess. I don't personally
think that he's dangerous,

1033
00:55:04,005 --> 00:55:06,342
but I guess, I mean...

1034
00:55:06,376 --> 00:55:08,280
REPORTER: Universally loathed

1035
00:55:08,313 --> 00:55:13,089
Martin Shkreli has decided
to buy domain names
of specific reporters

1036
00:55:13,123 --> 00:55:18,300
who have posted critical
articles on him and use
those to harass them.

1037
00:55:18,333 --> 00:55:20,304
I basically wrote something
along the lines

1038
00:55:20,337 --> 00:55:22,642
of "Martin Shkreli
has finally found a woman
who's willing to date him."

1039
00:55:22,676 --> 00:55:23,845
Very shortly afterwards,

1040
00:55:23,878 --> 00:55:26,684
like ten days later,
he bought my domain name.

1041
00:55:26,717 --> 00:55:29,288
It was obvious from my first
conversation with him,

1042
00:55:29,322 --> 00:55:31,392
he made things personal.

1043
00:55:31,426 --> 00:55:33,496
He wanted to talk
to me after that,

1044
00:55:33,531 --> 00:55:36,804
he actually called me to try
to "bury the hatchet."

1045
00:55:36,837 --> 00:55:38,774
And I told him,
"There's no hatchet to bury."

1046
00:55:38,808 --> 00:55:39,843
I'm a reporter.

1047
00:55:39,877 --> 00:55:42,314
There's no personal
anything here.

1048
00:55:42,348 --> 00:55:43,651
He obviously didn't like that.

1049
00:55:43,684 --> 00:55:46,724
And like that week
he bought the URL of my name.

1050
00:55:46,757 --> 00:55:48,861
Do you feel badly about
what's happening?

1051
00:55:48,895 --> 00:55:50,965
No. In fact,
we're increasing
access to patients.

1052
00:55:50,999 --> 00:55:52,802
So I'm not sure
what you're talking about.

1053
00:55:52,836 --> 00:55:56,009
Nobody I've ever reported on
has ever acted like this.

1054
00:55:56,042 --> 00:55:58,814
Why does he
go after women like that?

1055
00:55:59,750 --> 00:56:01,219
Yeah.

1056
00:56:01,252 --> 00:56:04,492
There was a situation involving
a writer we were discussing,

1057
00:56:04,526 --> 00:56:05,962
he didn't like
what this writer said.

1058
00:56:05,995 --> 00:56:10,037
I suggested one approach
he could take,

1059
00:56:10,070 --> 00:56:12,709
and then Martin goes,
"No, when they go low,
I go lower."

1060
00:56:12,742 --> 00:56:18,119
I'm like, "No, not a good way
to go about things."

1061
00:56:18,153 --> 00:56:20,892
He really is,
I think part of
a tribe of people.

1062
00:56:20,925 --> 00:56:23,798
You know, he's aligned himself
with Milo Yiannopoulos.

1063
00:56:23,831 --> 00:56:26,737
This is a new part
of our culture.

1064
00:56:26,770 --> 00:56:30,778
Martin, I think, has always
suffered from having

1065
00:56:30,812 --> 00:56:33,584
a more nihilistic bend
than I do, perhaps.

1066
00:56:33,618 --> 00:56:35,788
I think that it hasn't always
been clear

1067
00:56:35,822 --> 00:56:37,659
what exactly he is
advocating for,

1068
00:56:37,692 --> 00:56:40,063
although it's clear
what he doesn't like.

1069
00:56:40,097 --> 00:56:41,734
And that's a problem.

1070
00:56:41,767 --> 00:56:46,944
It was difficult,
and I tried my best
to sort of tune it out.

1071
00:56:46,977 --> 00:56:50,250
But I also have to, you know,
deal with the concern

1072
00:56:50,284 --> 00:56:52,321
that our jurors
are listening to this.

1073
00:56:52,354 --> 00:56:57,999
You need to be more disciplined
than Martin Shkreli to resist
that temptation.

1074
00:56:58,033 --> 00:57:02,041
I don't need more problems
than the case brings to it.

1075
00:57:02,074 --> 00:57:04,880
HODGE: I don't know
if he knows the damage
that he does

1076
00:57:04,913 --> 00:57:07,619
with some of his actions
and words, though.

1077
00:57:07,652 --> 00:57:10,490
How much damage does he do?

1078
00:57:10,525 --> 00:57:14,566
-HODGE: Well...
-He's contributing
to a discussion, right?

1079
00:57:14,599 --> 00:57:17,806
And at the end of the day,
he's the bad guy.

1080
00:57:17,839 --> 00:57:19,876
You don't only get
Martin Shkreli, you get,

1081
00:57:19,910 --> 00:57:24,285
you know...
You get the people
that love Martin Shkreli.

1082
00:57:24,318 --> 00:57:28,794
You have no idea
who his followers are
or what they're capable of.

1083
00:57:28,828 --> 00:57:34,238
BILLY: The livestream was
a place that we went to
hang out as, like, buddies.

1084
00:57:34,271 --> 00:57:36,376
Martin attracted everybody.

1085
00:57:36,409 --> 00:57:39,616
And that means the place
to be for shit bags.

1086
00:57:39,650 --> 00:57:41,252
Criminal motherfuckers.

1087
00:57:41,285 --> 00:57:44,125
We'll hunt down the clown
together, I promise.

1088
00:57:45,427 --> 00:57:46,897
BILLY: And the people
that had the guns,

1089
00:57:46,930 --> 00:57:49,836
probably were the last ones
that would ever use them.

1090
00:57:49,870 --> 00:57:51,840
And they're all scumbags, right?

1091
00:57:51,874 --> 00:57:54,713
'Cause scumbags are persistent.

1092
00:57:54,746 --> 00:57:57,051
There was... Was it Duca?

1093
00:57:57,084 --> 00:57:58,921
Was it Lauren Duca or whatever?

1094
00:57:58,954 --> 00:58:01,326
This is my last will
and testament.

1095
00:58:01,359 --> 00:58:05,300
Lauren, I know you love me.

1096
00:58:05,334 --> 00:58:09,108
I know that we
belong together. Okay?

1097
00:58:09,141 --> 00:58:11,045
SMYTHE: The Lauren Duca thing.

1098
00:58:11,079 --> 00:58:15,153
He just thought it would be fun
to make up this whole stupid
romance thing.

1099
00:58:15,187 --> 00:58:18,728
He had a plus one
for "the inaug"

1100
00:58:18,761 --> 00:58:22,669
and wondered if
she wanted to go,
and she very publicly said

1101
00:58:22,702 --> 00:58:24,506
that she would rather
eat her own organs.

1102
00:58:24,539 --> 00:58:30,618
He responded by turning
his Twitter into, essentially
a shrine.

1103
00:58:30,651 --> 00:58:34,258
Part of being popular
is having fans who Photoshop
and make collages.

1104
00:58:34,291 --> 00:58:35,862
I saw some photographs
of your husband.

1105
00:58:35,895 --> 00:58:39,669
He, is not pure
or desirable in any way.

1106
00:58:39,703 --> 00:58:41,573
SAUL: He pulled a photo of her
and her husband

1107
00:58:41,607 --> 00:58:44,345
and Photoshopped his face,
over her husband's face.

1108
00:58:44,378 --> 00:58:46,182
It was just littered with
photos of her.

1109
00:58:46,215 --> 00:58:47,886
It just got really nasty.

1110
00:58:47,919 --> 00:58:50,792
And his followers,
I think, took it

1111
00:58:50,825 --> 00:58:52,461
to the next level.

1112
00:58:52,494 --> 00:58:55,133
I don't think there is any
imaginable situation

1113
00:58:55,167 --> 00:58:57,304
where I would even want
to sit down with him.

1114
00:58:57,337 --> 00:58:59,843
It doesn't matter,
because he's doing

1115
00:58:59,876 --> 00:59:02,381
massive harm to society.

1116
00:59:02,414 --> 00:59:05,722
In 2016, as a strong,
independent woman.

1117
00:59:07,191 --> 00:59:08,828
That's what I want.

1118
00:59:08,861 --> 00:59:10,698
That's what I'm looking for.
That's what I've been
looking for my whole life.

1119
00:59:10,732 --> 00:59:12,702
I'm gonna get a poster
of Lauren Duca.

1120
00:59:12,736 --> 00:59:14,539
I'm gonna cut myself.

1121
00:59:14,573 --> 00:59:15,808
'Cause the pain is so sweet.

1122
00:59:15,842 --> 00:59:17,211
Feud isn't the right word

1123
00:59:17,244 --> 00:59:20,083
because it doesn't begin
to describe he way

1124
00:59:20,117 --> 00:59:23,824
his harassment of her has,
you know, affected her life.

1125
00:59:23,858 --> 00:59:26,095
It's not a fucking meme,
it's a real fucking life.

1126
00:59:26,129 --> 00:59:29,034
And Twitter...
Twitter can't keep us apart.

1127
00:59:29,068 --> 00:59:31,305
Nothing can keep us apart.

1128
00:59:31,339 --> 00:59:32,474
Account suspended.

1129
00:59:32,509 --> 00:59:35,080
I think it was threatening
Lauren Duca

1130
00:59:35,113 --> 00:59:37,117
with rape, I believe.

1131
00:59:39,723 --> 00:59:42,194
HODGE: And that
essentially led him
to get kicked off Twitter.

1132
00:59:42,227 --> 00:59:44,800
That was exactly what got him
kicked off Twitter, yes.

1133
00:59:46,537 --> 00:59:49,375
Which he suffers for.

1134
00:59:49,408 --> 00:59:51,780
He misses Twitter, terribly.

1135
00:59:51,814 --> 00:59:54,653
As an entertainer,
somebody who loves
the attention,

1136
00:59:54,686 --> 00:59:57,424
being muted...

1137
00:59:58,426 --> 01:00:00,430
is death.

1138
01:00:05,975 --> 01:00:08,614
♪ Martin Shkreli, tell us
what's your plan

1139
01:00:08,647 --> 01:00:11,954
♪ Yes, Martin Shkreli
tell us what's your plan

1140
01:00:11,987 --> 01:00:14,993
♪ Buy an album
by the Wu-Tang clan♪

1141
01:00:23,209 --> 01:00:25,080
CALDWELL: I'm not playing
Martin Shkreli.

1142
01:00:25,113 --> 01:00:31,092
That's the point. Like,
I am playing a collection
of his outward persona.

1143
01:00:31,125 --> 01:00:34,165
We're creating a character
based on the Martin Shkreli

1144
01:00:34,198 --> 01:00:37,605
he put out into the media,
which was his own choice.

1145
01:00:37,639 --> 01:00:39,743
Yeah, he has,
like a little bit of a...

1146
01:00:39,776 --> 01:00:41,680
The receding hairline

1147
01:00:41,713 --> 01:00:44,653
was important and the smirk is,
I mean, that's the signature.

1148
01:00:44,686 --> 01:00:46,790
Like, that you've got to do.

1149
01:00:46,824 --> 01:00:49,696
♪ Martin Shkreli

1150
01:00:49,729 --> 01:00:53,771
♪ Martin Shkreli
is for the American dream ♪

1151
01:00:53,804 --> 01:00:57,044
[AUDIENCE APPLAUDING]

1152
01:00:57,077 --> 01:00:58,814
CALDWELL: The funny thing
about all of this

1153
01:00:58,848 --> 01:01:00,651
is that the best thing
you could do to make him happy,

1154
01:01:00,685 --> 01:01:02,822
is what we're doing right now

1155
01:01:02,856 --> 01:01:05,460
is sitting here like,,
"Do you think he's..."

1156
01:01:05,493 --> 01:01:08,868
You know?
And he's just laughing
the whole time

1157
01:01:08,901 --> 01:01:12,374
that we're doing this,
that I'm playing him,

1158
01:01:12,407 --> 01:01:17,217
and you're asking me about
what I think about playing him.
Like, this is insane.

1159
01:01:17,251 --> 01:01:21,994
This is insane. This is the
weirdest thing in the world
and he's gotta love that.

1160
01:01:22,027 --> 01:01:25,400
SMYTHE: It's just this
bizarre character study
that you interact with.

1161
01:01:25,433 --> 01:01:26,937
And you never know what exactly

1162
01:01:26,970 --> 01:01:28,641
you're going to get,
but you also don't know

1163
01:01:28,674 --> 01:01:30,945
how legitimate
what you're getting is.

1164
01:01:30,978 --> 01:01:33,283
There's no mirror
that he can hold up

1165
01:01:33,316 --> 01:01:38,627
to what he's saying that,
you know, allows him to see
how it's perceived.

1166
01:01:38,661 --> 01:01:42,301
The message is going out,
and he's not receiving
an equal message

1167
01:01:42,334 --> 01:01:44,271
from how people take him.

1168
01:01:44,305 --> 01:01:46,843
This is one where
people start to say
"Is he a sociopath?"

1169
01:01:46,877 --> 01:01:49,281
Do I consider myself
a sociopath?

1170
01:01:49,315 --> 01:01:50,651
Wow!

1171
01:01:50,685 --> 01:01:53,223
What a question.

1172
01:01:53,256 --> 01:01:54,826
I can't say
I get that one often.

1173
01:01:54,859 --> 01:01:56,663
SMYTHE: Some people think
that he's autistic.

1174
01:01:56,697 --> 01:01:59,669
And this is
an eccentric person.

1175
01:01:59,703 --> 01:02:04,980
We had Martin, you know,
evaluated by one of the leading
experts in the field

1176
01:02:05,013 --> 01:02:06,950
and they concluded

1177
01:02:06,984 --> 01:02:11,860
that if he had been properly
diagnosed as a child,
would have been classified

1178
01:02:11,893 --> 01:02:13,764
as perhaps autistic.

1179
01:02:13,797 --> 01:02:17,271
I think a social awkwardness
was certainly obvious.

1180
01:02:17,304 --> 01:02:19,910
Sounds like Pharma Bro
needs some meds.

1181
01:02:19,943 --> 01:02:21,947
Yeah, I think
that's pretty reasonable.

1182
01:02:21,980 --> 01:02:25,487
BRAFMAN: I think he's
going to be Martin Shkreli
for the rest of his life,

1183
01:02:25,521 --> 01:02:28,259
and you take the good
and the bad with that.

1184
01:02:28,293 --> 01:02:32,200
LANGLEY: Some individuals
don't understand the better
side of human nature,

1185
01:02:32,234 --> 01:02:34,673
causing these people to go
without their medication.

1186
01:02:34,706 --> 01:02:36,475
People are ready
to see a villain,

1187
01:02:36,510 --> 01:02:38,814
and to assume that
you're gonna fit
all these qualities.

1188
01:02:38,847 --> 01:02:40,985
I don't think it's
that he has no empathy,

1189
01:02:41,018 --> 01:02:44,325
or he doesn't think
that it matters
if people get hurt.

1190
01:02:44,358 --> 01:02:47,632
It's the fact that he thinks
people coming at him,

1191
01:02:47,665 --> 01:02:51,305
telling him that
people are getting hurt
are not telling him the truth.

1192
01:02:54,813 --> 01:02:58,086
HODGE: Don't you think
we would have heard
stories by now

1193
01:02:58,119 --> 01:03:01,359
of somebody that was
on their death bed,

1194
01:03:01,392 --> 01:03:03,096
had all the spots
on their faces,

1195
01:03:03,129 --> 01:03:04,933
and were
at the end of the rope
and all they needed

1196
01:03:04,966 --> 01:03:10,443
was that one bottle
from Martin, and he wouldn't
give it to them.

1197
01:03:10,477 --> 01:03:16,355
Why are none of your patients
coming out publicly and talking
to Martin about it?

1198
01:03:16,389 --> 01:03:19,996
I don't think patients,
for the most part,
want to come forward,

1199
01:03:20,030 --> 01:03:22,869
because then
they're disclosing
their HIV status.

1200
01:03:22,902 --> 01:03:27,244
But the reality is,
there still remains
a stigma with HIV.

1201
01:03:27,277 --> 01:03:32,154
Patients that have
active toxoplasmosis
are usually pretty ill.

1202
01:03:32,187 --> 01:03:38,801
They're in
a life threatening situation
that needs to be treated.

1203
01:03:38,834 --> 01:03:42,474
HODGE: News headlines
constantly say that Martin
is an AIDS killer.

1204
01:03:42,508 --> 01:03:46,616
I feel like a lot of these
articles aren't actually
getting to the truth.

1205
01:03:46,650 --> 01:03:49,656
ABERG: I think the HIV/AIDS
came into the equation

1206
01:03:49,689 --> 01:03:54,198
because that's who we associate
the most as needing the drug.

1207
01:03:54,231 --> 01:03:56,636
KESSELHEIM: Toxoplasmosis is
a deadly infectious disease.

1208
01:03:56,670 --> 01:03:58,272
If you have
an intact immune system,

1209
01:03:58,306 --> 01:04:00,076
it's a relatively
easy infection to fight off.

1210
01:04:00,110 --> 01:04:02,582
But if you don't,
it's something that
can take hold

1211
01:04:02,615 --> 01:04:05,253
and so Pyrimethamine
doesn't treat HIV,

1212
01:04:05,286 --> 01:04:08,426
it treats
this opportunistic infection.

1213
01:04:08,459 --> 01:04:12,100
This isn't some drug that,
you know, you can live without.

1214
01:04:12,134 --> 01:04:16,342
If you have this infection,
it needs to be treated.

1215
01:04:19,816 --> 01:04:22,522
PATRICK RICE: Looking at this
amount of pills, it cost less
than the table it's sitting on.

1216
01:04:22,555 --> 01:04:24,391
By the time the price hike
went into effect,

1217
01:04:24,425 --> 01:04:26,863
I realized my house
costs less than this.

1218
01:04:26,897 --> 01:04:29,268
HODGE: This is a pain schedule,
more or less,

1219
01:04:29,301 --> 01:04:32,809
-the last six years
of having this disease.
-Mmm-hmm.

1220
01:04:32,842 --> 01:04:34,646
Yeah, just one after another,
after another.

1221
01:04:34,679 --> 01:04:35,881
These are all appointments.

1222
01:04:35,915 --> 01:04:37,852
Each of these is
an appointment, I was so sick.

1223
01:04:37,885 --> 01:04:40,490
It's given me mouth sores,
stomach pain, lots of bleeding.

1224
01:04:40,524 --> 01:04:42,662
I had a long time
where I didn't know I was sick

1225
01:04:42,695 --> 01:04:45,200
and I was getting sicker
and sicker and you just
kind of have faith

1226
01:04:45,233 --> 01:04:49,341
that your doctors are wise,
and the system isn't
working against you.

1227
01:04:49,374 --> 01:04:52,882
10/25 Pyrimethamine, this is
the prescription for Daraprim.

1228
01:04:52,915 --> 01:04:56,623
Twenty-five milligrams,
two daily at this point,
$30 a bottle.

1229
01:04:56,656 --> 01:04:58,761
For me, 48 tabs lasted
nearly six weeks.

1230
01:04:58,794 --> 01:05:02,635
At this appointment,
they found out
I couldn't get access to it.

1231
01:05:02,668 --> 01:05:05,106
I think that was when
the price hike happened.

1232
01:05:05,140 --> 01:05:06,810
I get home and go to fill
this prescription,

1233
01:05:06,843 --> 01:05:09,649
and they're like,
"No, that's not
going to happen."

1234
01:05:09,682 --> 01:05:11,018
I said
"What do you mean?"

1235
01:05:11,051 --> 01:05:12,287
They said,
"That's really expensive."

1236
01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:13,489
I said, "How much is it?"

1237
01:05:13,524 --> 01:05:14,726
They said, "$30,000."

1238
01:05:14,759 --> 01:05:17,364
I said, "$30,000 a year
for one med?"

1239
01:05:17,397 --> 01:05:20,538
And they said, "No, no, no,
$30,000 a month."

1240
01:05:20,571 --> 01:05:22,942
We got online, started thinking
there's gotta be something.

1241
01:05:22,975 --> 01:05:24,478
I assumed it was
going to be a little blip.

1242
01:05:24,512 --> 01:05:26,650
We give it a week or two
and we'll have it sorted.

1243
01:05:26,683 --> 01:05:28,887
The longer it went,
the more surreal it was.

1244
01:05:28,921 --> 01:05:31,192
My doctors were stumped.
It was pretty crushing.

1245
01:05:31,225 --> 01:05:32,562
It's weird when you've realized

1246
01:05:32,595 --> 01:05:35,166
that the sensational headline
is hitting the mark.

1247
01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:36,803
Price gouging pharmaceuticals,

1248
01:05:36,837 --> 01:05:38,172
you know, denying patients.

1249
01:05:38,206 --> 01:05:39,709
I saw the hate,
acknowledged it.

1250
01:05:39,742 --> 01:05:41,178
I understood it.

1251
01:05:41,212 --> 01:05:43,249
The narrative became the hate
instead of the patient.

1252
01:05:43,282 --> 01:05:45,320
I just I didn't
have time for that.
I was too sick.

1253
01:05:45,353 --> 01:05:47,324
I wish that he had had
less time for malice too,

1254
01:05:47,357 --> 01:05:48,861
when he was
putting together his ideas.

1255
01:05:48,894 --> 01:05:51,666
Put yourselves in the shoes
of someone who has this illness.

1256
01:05:51,700 --> 01:05:54,906
This drug is 70 years old.
You wouldn't want
a 70-year-old drug.

1257
01:05:54,939 --> 01:05:57,010
At the end of the day, there
have been much larger
drug price increases

1258
01:05:57,043 --> 01:05:58,814
by much bigger drug companies.

1259
01:05:58,847 --> 01:06:01,953
We're dramatically increasing
the access to Daraprim.

1260
01:06:01,987 --> 01:06:04,324
RICE: Having insurance
doesn't mean you have
access to care.

1261
01:06:04,358 --> 01:06:08,232
There's so many levels to
actually having access
to healthcare in America.

1262
01:06:08,266 --> 01:06:09,536
I had the gold plan.

1263
01:06:09,569 --> 01:06:11,405
It didn't matter.

1264
01:06:11,438 --> 01:06:14,211
They just denied it. They said
"It's way too expensive
for us to get involved."

1265
01:06:14,244 --> 01:06:17,017
-HODGE: The insurance
company said that?
-Yeah.

1266
01:06:17,050 --> 01:06:20,190
Because they don't want to spend
30 grand a month on me.

1267
01:06:22,194 --> 01:06:23,964
I don't think it was
a quirk of the system

1268
01:06:23,997 --> 01:06:25,835
that I was able to fall through
the cracks that way.

1269
01:06:25,868 --> 01:06:27,605
I think it's built-in.

1270
01:06:29,676 --> 01:06:34,853
During that time, I saw
Martin Shkreli got on
Reddit and did an AMA,

1271
01:06:34,886 --> 01:06:37,859
which is an "Ask me
anything," and people
just post their questions.

1272
01:06:37,892 --> 01:06:41,365
HODGE: I never really heard
of a pharmaceutical CEO
doing AMA.

1273
01:06:41,398 --> 01:06:43,069
It's pretty rare.

1274
01:06:43,102 --> 01:06:45,608
Somebody asked him,
"What about patients
that can't afford it?"

1275
01:06:45,641 --> 01:06:48,346
He's like "Oh, no, no, no.
If they need it,
they'll get it for life."

1276
01:06:48,379 --> 01:06:49,816
That was when
I jumped in the conversation

1277
01:06:49,849 --> 01:06:52,020
because all of us are weak
and strong, right?

1278
01:06:52,053 --> 01:06:54,424
And if we only
show our strength,
then we're just showing

1279
01:06:54,458 --> 01:06:57,063
just a half version
of ourselves.

1280
01:06:57,097 --> 01:06:58,432
You know, I just wanted to say,

1281
01:06:58,466 --> 01:07:00,270
"Are you being dishonest?
What's going on here?"

1282
01:07:00,303 --> 01:07:03,877
And he actually
replied to my comment,
"Why don't you reach out to me?

1283
01:07:03,911 --> 01:07:05,781
"We'll get it sorted out."

1284
01:07:05,814 --> 01:07:07,484
I emailed him, and sure enough
he connects me with
an account specialist.

1285
01:07:07,518 --> 01:07:10,423
They said they were gonna get me
squared away, 10-day supplies.

1286
01:07:10,456 --> 01:07:13,062
They didn't bill me.

1287
01:07:13,095 --> 01:07:15,668
I didn't feel like the system
was working 'cause I got my med.

1288
01:07:15,701 --> 01:07:17,605
I feel like I got really,
really lucky.

1289
01:07:17,638 --> 01:07:21,813
And it took literally talking
to the guy that's on
all the news channels.

1290
01:07:21,846 --> 01:07:24,619
This was a receipt I got

1291
01:07:24,652 --> 01:07:27,357
that shows I got 20 pills,
which was a 10-day supply.

1292
01:07:27,390 --> 01:07:30,430
So right now,
I guess you would say
I'm in remission.

1293
01:07:30,463 --> 01:07:31,833
I don't take
any of this stuff now.

1294
01:07:31,866 --> 01:07:35,006
The conclusion
of my story is fine,
'cause I'm here.

1295
01:07:35,039 --> 01:07:37,878
For me, the sad story
is that I don't think
we learned from this yet.

1296
01:07:37,912 --> 01:07:39,515
I don't think
we've fixed it yet.

1297
01:07:39,549 --> 01:07:42,454
I think we have
a lot of work to do still.

1298
01:07:42,487 --> 01:07:47,097
HODGE: So, is this where
Martin Shkreli's entire court
appearance is happening?

1299
01:07:47,130 --> 01:07:49,501
Yes. Yeah, the entire trial
is on the sixth floor.

1300
01:07:50,436 --> 01:07:52,107
Yeah.

1301
01:07:52,140 --> 01:07:54,311
HODGE: It sucks
that I can't bring
a camera into the courthouse.

1302
01:07:54,344 --> 01:07:58,587
Yeah, it would be very difficult
with Brafman's theatrics
and Martin's winking.

1303
01:07:58,620 --> 01:08:02,628
It's hard to make that up,
to make that loss up.

1304
01:08:02,662 --> 01:08:06,502
But that's why sketch artists
still have jobs. [CHUCKLES]

1305
01:08:13,917 --> 01:08:17,090
TIRRELL: Shkreli was charged
with eight counts of
securities fraud,

1306
01:08:17,123 --> 01:08:20,463
conspiracy to commit securities
fraud, and conspiracy
to commit wire fraud.

1307
01:08:20,496 --> 01:08:23,537
WOMAN: So,
this is at the Federal
District Court in Brooklyn.

1308
01:08:23,570 --> 01:08:27,110
It covers Brooklyn, Queens,
Staten Island, and Long Island.

1309
01:08:27,143 --> 01:08:30,450
Each district has their own
federal prosecutors.

1310
01:08:30,483 --> 01:08:35,426
Jacquelyn Kasulis, Alix Smith,
and Karthik Srinivasan.

1311
01:08:35,460 --> 01:08:37,765
They tend to be graduates
of good law schools

1312
01:08:37,798 --> 01:08:39,067
who are pretty aggressive.

1313
01:08:39,101 --> 01:08:41,305
And then the FBI
helped investigate.

1314
01:08:41,338 --> 01:08:43,109
They're sitting at the table
with the prosecutors.

1315
01:08:43,142 --> 01:08:46,482
He said, Eastern District
prosecutors were junior
varsity.

1316
01:08:46,516 --> 01:08:47,885
He didn't think much of them.

1317
01:08:47,918 --> 01:08:49,989
It's possible that he thought
he could outwit them.

1318
01:08:50,023 --> 01:08:53,362
Prosecutor style,
especially from that office,
is very straightforward.

1319
01:08:53,396 --> 01:08:55,668
And Brafman is, like,
pretty dramatic.

1320
01:08:55,701 --> 01:08:57,605
Brafman is fun to watch
in the courtroom.

1321
01:08:57,638 --> 01:08:58,840
It's a good contrast.

1322
01:08:58,874 --> 01:09:00,276
It's just good courtroom...

1323
01:09:00,310 --> 01:09:01,846
Courtroom theatrics.

1324
01:09:01,880 --> 01:09:03,884
Judge is Kiyo Matsumoto.

1325
01:09:03,917 --> 01:09:07,490
She had been a federal
prosecutor, longtime federal
judge in that courthouse.

1326
01:09:07,525 --> 01:09:08,927
HODGE: Shkreli's harassment,

1327
01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:11,031
do you think this being
a woman judge might hurt him?

1328
01:09:12,300 --> 01:09:14,338
No, I have never
seen the judge...

1329
01:09:14,371 --> 01:09:16,041
She seemed very fair.

1330
01:09:17,745 --> 01:09:23,022
And then, of course,
jury selection, was just
so much fun.

1331
01:09:23,055 --> 01:09:25,326
Like, an unexpected
amount of fun.

1332
01:09:25,360 --> 01:09:27,364
Jury selection
begins in New York.

1333
01:09:27,397 --> 01:09:31,205
That notoriety from the infamous
price hike has left a stain

1334
01:09:31,238 --> 01:09:33,810
that's now following him
even into trial.

1335
01:09:33,844 --> 01:09:37,918
Jury selection took a lot longer
than we expected.

1336
01:09:37,952 --> 01:09:42,762
Entering its third day
today without seating
a single juror...

1337
01:09:42,795 --> 01:09:45,968
I covered Bill Cosby's jury
selection and it didn't take
anywhere near as long.

1338
01:09:46,001 --> 01:09:48,940
They called in
a couple hundred jurors.

1339
01:09:48,974 --> 01:09:51,245
TIRRELL: They went through
this giant panel of people.

1340
01:09:51,278 --> 01:09:52,615
Just weeded out everyone

1341
01:09:52,648 --> 01:09:55,353
that they thought could
poison the pool.

1342
01:09:55,386 --> 01:09:59,194
REPORTER:
Nearly 200 potential jurors
have already been dismissed.

1343
01:09:59,227 --> 01:10:01,566
MAN: Obviously, there's
a bias out there.

1344
01:10:01,599 --> 01:10:03,970
They're going to find a jury.
It just may take a while.

1345
01:10:04,004 --> 01:10:07,110
So Judge Matsumoto
is trying to determine

1346
01:10:07,143 --> 01:10:09,816
whether jurors are biased
or whether they can't serve.

1347
01:10:09,849 --> 01:10:13,824
They had to be able
to be impartial even if
they had heard of him.

1348
01:10:13,857 --> 01:10:15,594
STEPHEN COLBERT:
But there's a big problem.

1349
01:10:15,627 --> 01:10:18,633
Martin Shkreli
can't find jurors
who don't already hate him.

1350
01:10:18,667 --> 01:10:21,138
WOMAN: She just starts
going through one by one.

1351
01:10:21,171 --> 01:10:26,783
"Does anybody have opinions
about the defendant that
I should know about?"

1352
01:10:26,816 --> 01:10:28,954
HODGE: And were there
any opinions
about Martin Shkreli?

1353
01:10:28,987 --> 01:10:29,856
There were.

1354
01:10:29,889 --> 01:10:31,458
ANNOUNCER: And now,

1355
01:10:31,492 --> 01:10:34,565
some of the actual responses
from potential jurors excused

1356
01:10:34,599 --> 01:10:36,502
from the Martin Shkreli Trial.

1357
01:11:04,659 --> 01:11:10,303
So, people did know him,
clearly, and had really
strong opinions on him.

1358
01:11:10,336 --> 01:11:13,075
Where are you going
to find a jury who
doesn't think he's guilty?

1359
01:11:13,109 --> 01:11:17,083
I can't even find
most family members
who don't find him guilty.

1360
01:11:17,117 --> 01:11:21,926
I think everyone,
regardless of who they are,
deserves a fair trial.

1361
01:11:21,960 --> 01:11:25,266
And so I do hope
that they find jurors
who are not biased,

1362
01:11:25,299 --> 01:11:27,337
you know,
immediately biased against him.

1363
01:11:27,370 --> 01:11:29,207
And I hope justice is served.

1364
01:11:29,241 --> 01:11:30,911
REPORTER: You know,
his lawyer has already called
for mistrials.

1365
01:11:30,944 --> 01:11:32,548
The judge said, "No, no."

1366
01:11:32,581 --> 01:11:35,486
A lot of people
just associated him
with high-priced drugs.

1367
01:11:35,521 --> 01:11:38,693
A couple people
mistakenly thought he raised
the price of the EpiPen,

1368
01:11:38,727 --> 01:11:40,296
which is a totally
different company.

1369
01:11:40,329 --> 01:11:44,237
He really was just, you know,
the face of unaffordable drugs.

1370
01:11:44,271 --> 01:11:47,945
And they were
so angry about that,
even though they were told

1371
01:11:47,978 --> 01:11:50,082
by the judge repeatedly
that this has nothing to do

1372
01:11:50,116 --> 01:11:53,422
with drug pricing,
they just couldn't.

1373
01:11:53,455 --> 01:11:57,665
Or they also just wanted
to get out of jury duty, maybe,
you know. [CHUCKLES]

1374
01:12:04,545 --> 01:12:05,914
Trial is over tomorrow.

1375
01:12:06,816 --> 01:12:08,319
Which is...

1376
01:12:08,352 --> 01:12:11,325
Anything that we do
goes down in history

1377
01:12:11,358 --> 01:12:12,928
'cause it's being recorded.

1378
01:12:14,599 --> 01:12:17,403
Even this interview
is going down in history.

1379
01:12:18,773 --> 01:12:20,544
As soon as I win,
I'm gonna sue everybody.

1380
01:12:20,577 --> 01:12:22,848
Don't worry about that.
[CHUCKLES]

1381
01:12:22,882 --> 01:12:25,086
Don't worry about that.

1382
01:12:25,119 --> 01:12:28,259
KILLAH: Shit comes to you
and then it passes by.
Shit comes everyday.

1383
01:12:28,292 --> 01:12:30,697
This time I'm gonna sue
every fucking person.

1384
01:12:30,731 --> 01:12:34,137
You really can't not check
what's in the hearts
of others around you.

1385
01:12:34,170 --> 01:12:35,674
Where the energy at?

1386
01:12:35,707 --> 01:12:37,711
Bring that
villain shit out now.

1387
01:12:37,745 --> 01:12:39,916
Super villain.

1388
01:12:39,949 --> 01:12:41,986
You have to be careful
in this world right now,

1389
01:12:42,020 --> 01:12:43,790
growing up in this era
like this.

1390
01:12:43,823 --> 01:12:45,159
You got cameras on you,

1391
01:12:45,192 --> 01:12:48,332
but now the social media,
a lot of internet gangsters.

1392
01:12:48,365 --> 01:12:51,673
These internet guys
can't hang with me. Crazy.

1393
01:12:51,706 --> 01:12:53,610
What are you doing, bruv?

1394
01:12:53,643 --> 01:12:54,779
That's not you.

1395
01:12:55,346 --> 01:12:56,348
That's not you.

1396
01:12:56,381 --> 01:12:57,985
It's not you.

1397
01:12:58,018 --> 01:12:59,789
You're talking too much.

1398
01:12:59,822 --> 01:13:02,728
The most suckerest motherfucker
could say what he want to say

1399
01:13:02,761 --> 01:13:05,333
and get heard
and get a million views.

1400
01:13:05,366 --> 01:13:07,838
So it's a whole new
other world, man.

1401
01:13:07,871 --> 01:13:11,613
And if I'm acquitted,
I get to fuck Lauren Duca.

1402
01:13:21,799 --> 01:13:25,206
BILLY: Nobody loses
when Martin loses.

1403
01:13:25,239 --> 01:13:29,447
And there was really nobody
connected to Martin to take
the loss but Martin.

1404
01:13:29,481 --> 01:13:32,053
I don't think
he ever really thought of

1405
01:13:32,086 --> 01:13:33,924
the "damage" he did,

1406
01:13:33,957 --> 01:13:37,363
and maybe the damage he did
was making a mockery
of the justice system.

1407
01:13:39,401 --> 01:13:40,604
It's the story of...

1408
01:13:41,906 --> 01:13:43,810
everything, basically.

1409
01:13:43,843 --> 01:13:44,879
He was the asshole.

1410
01:13:44,912 --> 01:13:47,785
So even if you do
kind of feel for him,

1411
01:13:47,818 --> 01:13:51,358
even with the fraud,
whatever, the fraud,

1412
01:13:51,391 --> 01:13:54,665
if you don't have a fraud
by the time you're 35,
you're not trying.

1413
01:13:57,503 --> 01:14:02,080
BRAFMAN: Real trials
are more interesting than
anything you could script.

1414
01:14:02,113 --> 01:14:06,689
It unfolds before you
without any direction,

1415
01:14:06,723 --> 01:14:10,429
without any lighting or makeup,
and things aren't different

1416
01:14:10,463 --> 01:14:13,302
because we use tricks or magic.

1417
01:14:13,335 --> 01:14:17,645
I think if the rules are
followed, rules are
applied fairly,

1418
01:14:17,678 --> 01:14:20,049
then I'm okay,
regardless of the verdict.

1419
01:14:21,451 --> 01:14:23,890
They dislike Martin, obviously,

1420
01:14:23,923 --> 01:14:29,535
and Martin, unfortunately
gave them more reason
to dislike him.

1421
01:14:29,568 --> 01:14:33,475
He personalized the animus,
and it was not necessary.

1422
01:14:33,510 --> 01:14:35,681
It seems everybody
is satisfied now

1423
01:14:35,714 --> 01:14:40,056
because they saw the rise
and fall of the bad man.

1424
01:14:40,089 --> 01:14:42,126
He's just a fucking bullshit
boogie man.

1425
01:14:42,160 --> 01:14:43,930
He's not the real problem.

1426
01:14:43,963 --> 01:14:46,435
He's the one that
the kids were scared of.

1427
01:14:46,468 --> 01:14:48,773
Now that he's gone,
they feel safe again.

1428
01:14:49,709 --> 01:14:50,744
They're not.

1429
01:14:54,752 --> 01:14:57,457
We have not taken
enough steps yet

1430
01:14:57,490 --> 01:15:02,166
to prevent future Martin
Shkrelis from using similar
tactics in other drugs.

1431
01:15:02,200 --> 01:15:04,772
COHEN: If the law allows
someone to do this legally,

1432
01:15:04,805 --> 01:15:06,843
Martin Shkrelis
will show up and do it,

1433
01:15:06,876 --> 01:15:10,817
and ask ourselves
whether law change
is necessary or not.

1434
01:15:10,851 --> 01:15:15,459
It's again this question of,
"Is health a privilege
or a right?"

1435
01:15:15,493 --> 01:15:18,499
By blaming just an individual
like Martin Shkreli,

1436
01:15:18,533 --> 01:15:21,104
we miss the bigger picture.

1437
01:15:21,138 --> 01:15:24,645
ABERG: As much as we all
love to hate him,

1438
01:15:24,678 --> 01:15:26,381
others are doing it.

1439
01:15:26,415 --> 01:15:28,285
So, he's not alone.

1440
01:15:28,318 --> 01:15:33,295
The bottom line is,
we have to assure that
everybody has access to care.

1441
01:15:33,897 --> 01:15:35,801
I'm on three.

1442
01:15:35,834 --> 01:15:37,303
-See you around.
-See you around. Yeah.

1443
01:15:37,336 --> 01:15:39,107
SHKRELI: Good luck to you.
See you in the building, man.

1444
01:15:43,883 --> 01:15:47,457
HODGE: There are a lot of
super villains who could have
used a friend along the way.

1445
01:15:47,490 --> 01:15:50,296
As traditionally written,
they don't tend to be

1446
01:15:50,329 --> 01:15:52,935
that motivated
by seeking friendship.

1447
01:15:52,968 --> 01:15:56,174
In real life, though, people are
more complicated than that.

1448
01:15:58,947 --> 01:16:00,049
What?

1449
01:16:02,019 --> 01:16:03,322
Who could that be?

1450
01:16:12,508 --> 01:16:13,810
Real nice.

1451
01:16:20,924 --> 01:16:22,460
HODGE: Can I touch the birdie?

1452
01:16:23,596 --> 01:16:24,932
I gotta touch the birdie guy.

1453
01:16:29,875 --> 01:16:31,546
SHKRELI: That's really
nice of you.

1454
01:16:31,579 --> 01:16:33,850
Let me get your number
so I can share photos
or something.

1455
01:16:39,194 --> 01:16:41,031
HODGE: See you around.
Thanks for everything.

1456
01:16:43,502 --> 01:16:47,544
And an awful lot of individuals
would be much better off

1457
01:16:47,578 --> 01:16:48,980
and go a completely
different direction

1458
01:16:49,013 --> 01:16:51,251
if they've gotten friendship
at particular times.

1459
01:16:52,186 --> 01:16:55,426
My neighbor in the building

1460
01:16:55,459 --> 01:16:57,731
came by with a six pack.

1461
01:16:57,764 --> 01:16:59,267
Very nice of him.

1462
01:16:59,300 --> 01:17:02,508
Yeah. It's nice to have friends
in your building, you know?

1463
01:17:05,614 --> 01:17:11,792
Ultimately is he going to
reach a point where he decides

1464
01:17:11,826 --> 01:17:14,264
"My life needs to be
better than this."

1465
01:17:14,297 --> 01:17:17,638
"I want more
out of relationships
than what's going on."

1466
01:17:20,442 --> 01:17:21,579
Well...

1467
01:17:23,115 --> 01:17:25,587
HODGE: After more than a month
at the Brooklyn courthouse,

1468
01:17:25,620 --> 01:17:30,764
and five days of jury
deliberations, the Shkreli
trial has come to an end.

1469
01:17:30,797 --> 01:17:32,466
REPORTER 1: We now
have some breaking news
on Martin Shkreli...

1470
01:17:32,500 --> 01:17:34,237
REPORTER 2:
It's been a quiet day up
until right now

1471
01:17:34,270 --> 01:17:36,174
when the jury they brought
a note to the judge

1472
01:17:36,208 --> 01:17:38,312
saying they have
reached a verdict.

1473
01:17:38,345 --> 01:17:41,051
REPORTER 3: Next, the verdict
is in for former drug company
CEO Martin Shkreli.

1474
01:17:46,294 --> 01:17:47,998
HODGE: Well, it's moving day.

1475
01:17:48,031 --> 01:17:50,871
I knew I needed to
move out of this place,
eventually.

1476
01:17:50,904 --> 01:17:52,139
Wasn't gonna stay here forever.

1477
01:17:53,442 --> 01:17:57,116
Yeah, it's been
an interesting year.

1478
01:17:57,149 --> 01:17:58,953
You could say that.

1479
01:18:08,272 --> 01:18:10,744
I wanted to get as close
as I could to Martin Shkreli.

1480
01:18:10,777 --> 01:18:15,419
Tell the real story
at least a whole rounded story.

1481
01:18:15,452 --> 01:18:21,632
Say it was
experience in humanity,
or maybe lack of humanity.

1482
01:18:21,666 --> 01:18:24,270
It seems pretty creepy,
actually, when you're
packing up.

1483
01:18:25,507 --> 01:18:27,143
Martin let me
into his apartment,

1484
01:18:27,176 --> 01:18:29,848
and I forgot to ask him,
if I can hear
the Wu-Tang album.

1485
01:18:29,882 --> 01:18:31,686
Is the album even good?

1486
01:18:31,719 --> 01:18:34,224
It doesn't matter
if it's a great album,
the album might not even exist.

1487
01:18:34,257 --> 01:18:36,829
Like, imagine
that album didn't exist.

1488
01:18:36,862 --> 01:18:38,232
Imagine there's
no music on there.

1489
01:18:38,265 --> 01:18:39,902
Imagine, it's just
a story to see

1490
01:18:39,935 --> 01:18:42,039
what people would do if music
was taken away from them.

1491
01:18:42,073 --> 01:18:45,079
I've polished the Wu-Tang album.
I'm gonna sell it.

1492
01:18:45,112 --> 01:18:47,517
Putting it on eBay right now.
Fuck Wu-Tang.

1493
01:18:47,551 --> 01:18:50,089
MAN: People are gonna want to
know what happens to that
Wu-Tang album.

1494
01:18:50,122 --> 01:18:52,059
That's a real question now.

1495
01:18:52,093 --> 01:18:54,565
See, the whole thing
about that album is the mystery.

1496
01:18:54,598 --> 01:18:55,900
The mystique.

1497
01:18:55,934 --> 01:18:57,971
The minute everybody hears it,
the story is dead.

1498
01:19:05,687 --> 01:19:07,991
I don't think
I'm going to prison.
I actually wouldn't mind.

1499
01:19:08,025 --> 01:19:10,296
It seems fun.
But I don't think
I'm going.

1500
01:19:11,732 --> 01:19:12,834
We'll see, I guess.

1501
01:19:13,502 --> 01:19:14,538
Lowkey.

1502
01:19:14,571 --> 01:19:16,374
There's only
200 people here watching.

1503
01:19:16,408 --> 01:19:19,013
When the jury comes back
with a not guilty verdict,

1504
01:19:19,047 --> 01:19:22,688
that's going to be my moment
to just start dancing.

1505
01:19:22,721 --> 01:19:25,426
This was a witch hunt
of epic proportions,

1506
01:19:25,459 --> 01:19:27,831
and maybe they found
one or two broomsticks.

1507
01:19:27,864 --> 01:19:30,937
But at the end of the day,
we've been acquitted

1508
01:19:30,971 --> 01:19:32,473
of the most important charges
in this case.

1509
01:19:32,507 --> 01:19:34,410
I'm delighted to report that.

1510
01:19:34,444 --> 01:19:37,483
REPORTER: Tonight, Shkreli
and his legal team are
celebrating the verdict.

1511
01:19:37,517 --> 01:19:39,922
He is guilty on three counts.

1512
01:19:39,955 --> 01:19:41,926
You know, if the government,

1513
01:19:41,959 --> 01:19:43,997
that's all they could come up
with after stunning tens of
millions of dollars

1514
01:19:44,030 --> 01:19:47,571
of dollars of taxpayer money to
get the big, bad Martin Shkreli,

1515
01:19:47,604 --> 01:19:48,806
then God bless them.

1516
01:19:48,840 --> 01:19:50,342
I don't think I'm going to jail.

1517
01:19:50,376 --> 01:19:52,948
Maybe a few weeks if that...

1518
01:19:52,981 --> 01:19:57,724
I'm sorry your prison gay rape
fantasies won't come true.

1519
01:19:57,758 --> 01:20:00,462
There's always time
for more crimes, I guess.

1520
01:20:01,799 --> 01:20:03,636
You never know.

1521
01:20:03,670 --> 01:20:06,642
ANA KASPARIAN:
Notorious Pharma Bro
is now in jail.

1522
01:20:06,676 --> 01:20:09,648
REPORTER 1: When Martin Shkreli
arrived in Brooklyn
federal court yesterday,

1523
01:20:09,682 --> 01:20:12,320
it was expected that he was
going to be walking
back out again.

1524
01:20:12,353 --> 01:20:14,057
But that is not what happened.

1525
01:20:14,090 --> 01:20:16,929
He was remanded into
custody and ordered
immediately to prison

1526
01:20:16,962 --> 01:20:18,633
to await that sentencing.

1527
01:20:18,666 --> 01:20:21,539
REPORTER 2:
He was hauled before the court
after offering $5,000

1528
01:20:21,572 --> 01:20:23,943
for a strand
of Hillary Clinton's hair.

1529
01:20:23,976 --> 01:20:27,183
The judge said that
could be interpreted as
a physical threat.

1530
01:20:27,216 --> 01:20:30,790
His defense attorney
arguing the offer
was meant as political satire.

1531
01:20:32,894 --> 01:20:36,034
This is not the normal narrative
of a white collar crime case.

1532
01:20:36,067 --> 01:20:38,238
He's in general population.

1533
01:20:38,271 --> 01:20:43,415
He's with murderers
and gang members,
the whole thing.

1534
01:20:43,448 --> 01:20:44,885
Picture that for a second.

1535
01:20:44,918 --> 01:20:47,691
I'll bet you he's not in there
screaming anything

1536
01:20:47,724 --> 01:20:49,193
about Wu-Tang
in there like that.

1537
01:20:49,227 --> 01:20:51,866
Probably in there shivering
under his fucking covers,

1538
01:20:51,899 --> 01:20:54,037
not even coming out
of his fucking bunk.

1539
01:20:54,070 --> 01:20:57,978
He probably paying anybody
in there just to use
a fucking phone.

1540
01:20:58,011 --> 01:21:02,253
I don't think we have the
technology to clone Hillary.

1541
01:21:02,286 --> 01:21:06,294
And if we did, I don't think
Martin would actually do it.

1542
01:21:06,327 --> 01:21:10,937
I guess the idea of cloning
Hillary is enough to get you
locked up these days.

1543
01:21:10,970 --> 01:21:12,841
ABERG: Who would say
something like that?

1544
01:21:12,874 --> 01:21:16,649
That really, to me,
is criminal.

1545
01:21:16,682 --> 01:21:18,018
That's not funny.

1546
01:21:18,051 --> 01:21:20,322
HAYDEN: He's a danger
to society?

1547
01:21:20,355 --> 01:21:21,692
Are you kidding me?

1548
01:21:21,726 --> 01:21:24,698
I think I'm more of a danger
to society than he is.

1549
01:21:24,732 --> 01:21:26,902
You know? [LAUGHS]

1550
01:21:28,573 --> 01:21:31,277
SMYTHE: I've had kind of
a unique relationship with him.

1551
01:21:31,311 --> 01:21:35,720
It hasn't been like he is
with the other journalists.
He trusts me.

1552
01:21:35,754 --> 01:21:37,858
He takes what I say seriously.

1553
01:21:37,891 --> 01:21:41,832
He's open with me in a way
that he is not with most people.

1554
01:21:41,866 --> 01:21:43,970
REPORTER:
Well respected journalists
covering the case

1555
01:21:44,003 --> 01:21:47,677
of Pharma Bro
Martin Shkreli, puts her life
on the line for love.

1556
01:21:47,711 --> 01:21:50,249
I visited Martin in prison,

1557
01:21:50,282 --> 01:21:53,890
and I just simply told him
that I loved him.

1558
01:21:53,923 --> 01:21:55,827
And what was his reaction?

1559
01:21:55,860 --> 01:21:57,898
He said that he loved me, too.

1560
01:21:57,931 --> 01:21:59,367
Did he say the words to you,

1561
01:21:59,400 --> 01:22:00,904
"I want to have
children with you?"

1562
01:22:00,937 --> 01:22:01,939
Yes.

1563
01:22:01,972 --> 01:22:05,045
I would love Martin to get out.

1564
01:22:05,078 --> 01:22:11,057
I would love him to start
working on something productive
that helps the world.

1565
01:22:11,090 --> 01:22:14,598
And I'd like to play
some sort of role
in helping him get there.

1566
01:22:15,900 --> 01:22:17,503
That's my dream.

1567
01:22:17,537 --> 01:22:20,844
This is maybe probably
telling of his weirdness,

1568
01:22:20,877 --> 01:22:27,056
but I'm the only woman he's ever
introduced to his parents.

1569
01:22:27,089 --> 01:22:30,395
REPORTER: The world
needs Pharma Bros
now more than ever.

1570
01:22:30,429 --> 01:22:34,003
Or at least that's his
reasoning for requesting
a temporary three month

1571
01:22:34,036 --> 01:22:36,976
release from prison so that
he can develop a cure
for Coronavirus.

1572
01:22:37,009 --> 01:22:38,613
It'd just be really funny
if the person

1573
01:22:38,646 --> 01:22:40,482
who ends up saving the world
from this current pandemic

1574
01:22:40,517 --> 01:22:42,353
is Martin fucking Shkreli.

1575
01:22:42,386 --> 01:22:45,392
HODGE: The jury is going to
decide on what's going
to happen to Martin.

1576
01:22:45,425 --> 01:22:49,400
I hope whatever happens to him,
he's at peace with that.

1577
01:22:49,433 --> 01:22:50,970
I'm disappointed.

1578
01:22:51,004 --> 01:22:52,339
This is a good judge.

1579
01:22:52,373 --> 01:22:55,780
She made her decision,
and we all have to live with it.