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Remember, two-way range. 434 00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:09,499 Is the battlefield clear? - No, sir. 435 00:30:10,172 --> 00:30:11,105 No. 436 00:30:13,010 --> 00:30:16,110 Right. Leave this shower to your men. You come with me. 437 00:31:11,662 --> 00:31:13,101 : Woody, walk on! 438 00:31:36,060 --> 00:31:38,423 We're over-committed. Woody, back this way, come on. 439 00:31:39,998 --> 00:31:41,393 Drop your fucking weapons! 440 00:31:41,428 --> 00:31:44,000 - Put your fucking hands up now! 441 00:31:44,266 --> 00:31:45,232 Now! Here! 442 00:31:46,235 --> 00:31:47,663 Hands up! Get your hands up right now! To me. 443 00:31:49,271 --> 00:31:51,073 You. - Arms. 444 00:31:54,012 --> 00:31:55,638 He's good. To me now. - Come here. 445 00:31:55,673 --> 00:31:57,574 To me. Do you speak English? 446 00:31:58,148 --> 00:31:59,048 Stay there. 447 00:32:02,053 --> 00:32:03,448 He's clean. 448 00:32:03,483 --> 00:32:05,285 Move, now! - Go! 449 00:32:07,058 --> 00:32:08,321 Why didn't they shoot us? 450 00:32:10,655 --> 00:32:13,656 Hey! Why didn't you shoot us? We never even saw you. 451 00:32:16,298 --> 00:32:17,528 What kind of soldiers are you? 452 00:32:22,601 --> 00:32:23,974 Go, go! 453 00:32:25,043 --> 00:32:26,977 Keep going! - 454 00:32:27,012 --> 00:32:28,077 Lose our lives over a flip-flop? 455 00:32:29,212 --> 00:32:31,949 Lose this again, I'm throwing it! 456 00:32:36,516 --> 00:32:39,088 Go! Go! - 457 00:32:40,157 --> 00:32:41,519 Yeah, in English, mate. 458 00:32:41,554 --> 00:32:43,455 Farmer! - Farmer? 459 00:32:43,490 --> 00:32:45,127 He's a farmer? 460 00:32:45,162 --> 00:32:46,755 You're farmers, I'm a fucking Brigadier, mate. 461 00:32:48,165 --> 00:32:49,428 How old are you? 462 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,332 - Stay there. 463 00:32:55,106 --> 00:32:56,303 16! 464 00:32:56,668 --> 00:32:57,700 : Stay there! 465 00:32:58,175 --> 00:32:59,438 Get a move on. - Go. 466 00:33:01,310 --> 00:33:02,474 Go. 467 00:33:35,740 --> 00:33:38,576 : 468 00:33:56,893 --> 00:34:00,466 : 469 00:34:00,501 --> 00:34:01,830 Has he had his expenses? 470 00:34:02,536 --> 00:34:04,536 : 471 00:34:06,672 --> 00:34:08,078 His mother has. 472 00:34:08,113 --> 00:34:11,609 Istanbul interviews, day two. Time, 9:30am. 473 00:34:17,683 --> 00:34:21,487 He was face-down in the ditch. He could hear soldiers coming. 474 00:34:21,819 --> 00:34:26,393 Take him back to the beginning. Family set-up and all that. 475 00:34:28,628 --> 00:34:30,661 Mother and sister hated Saddam 476 00:34:30,696 --> 00:34:33,334 because Saddam killed their uncle and cousin. 477 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,700 All family happy to see British soldiers when they came. 478 00:34:36,900 --> 00:34:38,405 Friends bringing freedom. 479 00:34:39,342 --> 00:34:41,210 Does he work? School? 480 00:34:56,161 --> 00:34:58,524 School in the mornings, farm in the afternoons. 481 00:34:58,559 --> 00:35:01,098 That day he had to cut fresh grass for his cow. 482 00:35:01,958 --> 00:35:03,562 Did he have a gun with him? 483 00:35:13,772 --> 00:35:17,213 For wolves, for bandits. Kalashnikov. 484 00:35:19,679 --> 00:35:23,252 Er, Iraqi men in black clothes with guns got out of trucks 485 00:35:23,287 --> 00:35:24,946 and spread in the field near the farm. 486 00:35:29,392 --> 00:35:31,623 : And when the British came past, there was shooting 487 00:35:31,658 --> 00:35:33,856 and he lay down in the ditch, facing the ditch. 488 00:35:40,403 --> 00:35:43,635 He was bleeding, crying, asking them, "Please, stop." 489 00:35:43,670 --> 00:35:46,176 They drag him a long, long way 490 00:35:46,211 --> 00:35:48,409 throw him in the vehicle with dead bodies. 491 00:35:49,940 --> 00:35:50,939 And... 492 00:35:52,349 --> 00:35:53,942 what... what happened to his weapon? 493 00:36:01,787 --> 00:36:03,226 He didn't have weapon. 494 00:36:05,758 --> 00:36:08,495 He said just now he did. A Kalashnikov? 495 00:36:12,996 --> 00:36:14,831 He had weapon but only at home. 496 00:36:16,604 --> 00:36:19,374 I need to know whether he was carrying the weapon that day. 497 00:36:20,872 --> 00:36:25,413 Hm? Ask him, because in his previous statement, here... 498 00:36:31,014 --> 00:36:32,948 : Here. He said he had it. 499 00:36:32,983 --> 00:36:35,720 Now, if he's gonna chop and change 500 00:36:35,755 --> 00:36:37,557 he'll be no good to me in the witness box. 501 00:36:41,024 --> 00:36:42,826 : As-Salaam-Alaikum. 502 00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:49,866 - 503 00:36:50,671 --> 00:36:52,033 What's he saying? 504 00:36:52,068 --> 00:36:53,870 He says he's been waiting two hours and he needs to eat. 505 00:36:53,905 --> 00:36:56,004 Oh, does he need money for food? 506 00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:00,481 : 507 00:37:00,516 --> 00:37:02,252 No, he doesn't need money. I'm telling him 508 00:37:02,287 --> 00:37:05,651 we're not finished with this guy yet, but he's insisting. 509 00:37:05,851 --> 00:37:07,015 Maybe we are... 510 00:37:07,622 --> 00:37:10,326 Maybe we are finished here. Thank you. 511 00:37:15,465 --> 00:37:16,695 Thank you. Please. 512 00:37:23,770 --> 00:37:24,967 Please. 513 00:37:28,379 --> 00:37:30,907 And your name is...? - Hussein. 514 00:37:30,942 --> 00:37:32,249 : Hussein. 515 00:37:34,748 --> 00:37:36,913 And were you at the Battle of Danny Boy? 516 00:37:37,421 --> 00:37:39,685 Yes. - And why were you there? 517 00:37:45,121 --> 00:37:47,022 He is saying that he is-- 518 00:37:47,057 --> 00:37:48,661 Not fighter. 519 00:37:48,894 --> 00:37:51,466 I am farmer. Farmer. 520 00:37:57,606 --> 00:37:59,034 : Come on, then. The guys are out the back. 521 00:37:59,069 --> 00:38:01,509 Hey, you alright? Yeah! Just go through. 522 00:38:01,544 --> 00:38:02,376 Hi. 523 00:38:04,140 --> 00:38:05,909 : Nice one, Bailey, keep bouncing! 524 00:38:14,590 --> 00:38:17,492 It's not like you, hanging back when there's meat on the grill. 525 00:38:17,989 --> 00:38:20,627 Just taking it all in, you know? A happy family. 526 00:38:27,636 --> 00:38:29,900 Y'know, I'm only here cos of what two guys did out there. 527 00:38:31,376 --> 00:38:32,903 What, your mates had your back? 528 00:38:33,807 --> 00:38:35,004 It was Iraqis. 529 00:38:35,380 --> 00:38:36,643 Could've killed me, but didn't. 530 00:38:38,548 --> 00:38:40,009 What sort of soldier's that? 531 00:38:40,946 --> 00:38:42,352 What sort of soldier 532 00:38:42,387 --> 00:38:43,749 won't even fire his weapon? - Brian-- 533 00:38:43,784 --> 00:38:45,388 What sort of soldier wears flipflops and a dishdash? 534 00:38:45,423 --> 00:38:46,323 Brian. 535 00:38:48,019 --> 00:38:49,359 You might only be here 536 00:38:49,394 --> 00:38:50,954 because of those two guys, but you are here. 537 00:38:50,989 --> 00:38:53,121 No. - No? 538 00:38:53,156 --> 00:38:54,659 I'm here because they didn't do what I did. 539 00:38:58,568 --> 00:39:00,095 You said you'd have killed if you had to. 540 00:39:05,168 --> 00:39:06,838 Well, that's when you decide who's who. 541 00:39:09,007 --> 00:39:10,512 That moment decides for you. 542 00:39:15,453 --> 00:39:17,013 The dead have questions for you, Brian. 543 00:39:19,490 --> 00:39:20,753 You need to answer them. 544 00:39:28,158 --> 00:39:29,762 : Brian! 545 00:39:35,803 --> 00:39:37,132 Deep breaths, babe, deep breaths. 546 00:39:37,167 --> 00:39:39,068 You're doing great, babe, you're doing amazing. 547 00:39:39,103 --> 00:39:40,509 Deep breaths, babe, in and out. 548 00:39:43,712 --> 00:39:45,547 I want my mum. - She's on her way. 549 00:39:45,582 --> 00:39:47,549 I can't do this. - Yes, you can, babe. 550 00:39:47,584 --> 00:39:48,880 You don't know what I can and can't do. 551 00:39:48,915 --> 00:39:50,486 I do, babe! I know you. 552 00:40:06,097 --> 00:40:07,965 : It is our contention 553 00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:11,067 that British soldiers abused and mistreated Iraqis 554 00:40:11,102 --> 00:40:12,970 on the battlefield at Danny Boy 555 00:40:13,005 --> 00:40:17,007 and afterwards at their base, at Camp Abu Naji. 556 00:40:18,945 --> 00:40:20,109 More than that... 557 00:40:21,378 --> 00:40:25,180 we believe that many of those killed, injured or detained... 558 00:40:26,755 --> 00:40:28,183 were not soldiers at all. 559 00:40:29,659 --> 00:40:32,528 There were farmers there, and innocent bystanders 560 00:40:32,563 --> 00:40:34,222 going about their daily business. 561 00:40:35,500 --> 00:40:39,700 We believe that the Army carried out unlawful killings. 562 00:40:39,735 --> 00:40:42,098 Perhaps up to 20. - 563 00:40:43,805 --> 00:40:45,475 Any questions, please? 564 00:40:45,708 --> 00:40:47,202 : So the Iraqis were executed? 565 00:40:48,304 --> 00:40:49,941 : That's what we need to find out. 566 00:40:51,307 --> 00:40:53,648 It's normal in that lawless part of Iraq 567 00:40:53,683 --> 00:40:55,716 for farmers to carry guns, but 568 00:40:56,147 --> 00:40:57,619 does that make them soldiers? 569 00:41:00,987 --> 00:41:03,251 : British soldiers are held to high standards 570 00:41:03,286 --> 00:41:04,890 and rightly so. 571 00:41:04,925 --> 00:41:08,124 I see it as part of my job to hold them to that. 572 00:41:08,159 --> 00:41:10,896 And in my view, there is powerful evidence 573 00:41:10,931 --> 00:41:14,196 that on the day in question, they let this country down. 574 00:41:14,231 --> 00:41:16,099 : So categorically, you're saying 575 00:41:16,134 --> 00:41:18,739 British soldiers killed civilians in cold blood? 576 00:41:18,774 --> 00:41:21,038 : What I'm saying is the Army's own 577 00:41:21,073 --> 00:41:23,909 Military Police investigation closed too soon. 578 00:41:23,944 --> 00:41:25,240 It wasn't good enough. 579 00:41:26,410 --> 00:41:28,914 That's why we've called upon the government 580 00:41:28,949 --> 00:41:31,587 to set up a full public inquiry. 581 00:41:31,622 --> 00:41:33,622 : Brian's phone. Leave a message. 582 00:41:33,657 --> 00:41:35,118 We don't want to be talked about 583 00:41:35,153 --> 00:41:36,955 in the same way as the Japanese 584 00:41:36,990 --> 00:41:40,090 in the Second World War, or the Americans at My Lai. 585 00:41:40,125 --> 00:41:42,730 We need to get this all out in the open 586 00:41:42,765 --> 00:41:45,535 and only a public inquiry can do that. 587 00:41:45,570 --> 00:41:47,163 : Several years have passed 588 00:41:47,198 --> 00:41:49,198 since the Battle of Danny Boy, and the Ministry of Defence 589 00:41:49,233 --> 00:41:51,200 insists the allegations are unfounded 590 00:41:51,642 --> 00:41:53,301 but has promised its full cooperation. 591 00:41:56,141 --> 00:41:57,877 It's a summons to a public inquiry. 592 00:42:02,213 --> 00:42:04,048 This guy, Shiner-- - He's all talk. 593 00:42:05,018 --> 00:42:07,557 Well, he's not all talk, is he? - It'll come to nothing. 594 00:42:09,253 --> 00:42:10,659 : You're not looking! 595 00:42:12,861 --> 00:42:13,761 : Smile! 596 00:42:16,062 --> 00:42:18,062 You know how you used to complain about me 597 00:42:18,097 --> 00:42:19,536 not wanting to know what you'd done 598 00:42:20,264 --> 00:42:22,539 when you got your medal? - I was always joking. 599 00:42:23,674 --> 00:42:27,104 It's you I wanted, not your medal. 600 00:42:27,139 --> 00:42:28,171 Yeah, I know. 601 00:42:29,845 --> 00:42:30,844 Do you? 602 00:42:35,015 --> 00:42:36,179 Yeah. 603 00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:40,150 Good. 604 00:42:56,872 --> 00:42:59,675 Right, show me that fucking thing! 605 00:42:59,710 --> 00:43:01,611 : Gavin! The baby. 606 00:43:02,845 --> 00:43:03,646 The baby. 607 00:43:05,683 --> 00:43:06,308 Sorry, love. 608 00:43:07,817 --> 00:43:08,750 Aye, he's lovely. 609 00:43:10,985 --> 00:43:11,852 Hi. 610 00:43:14,791 --> 00:43:16,252 : Give you a medal wi' one hand 611 00:43:16,287 --> 00:43:17,660 and knock your teeth oot wi' the other. 612 00:43:18,256 --> 00:43:19,761 They accuse you of these things 613 00:43:19,796 --> 00:43:22,027 our own government accuses you of these things 614 00:43:22,062 --> 00:43:23,633 on the say-so of what? 615 00:43:23,668 --> 00:43:25,030 The men who were trying to kill you? 616 00:43:26,264 --> 00:43:28,704 "In the Northern engagement, you participated in 617 00:43:28,739 --> 00:43:30,871 witnessed or were aware of," I mean, which one is it? 618 00:43:30,906 --> 00:43:31,938 Jesus Christ. 619 00:43:33,711 --> 00:43:35,139 There's 11 counts here. You must've been busy. 620 00:43:35,174 --> 00:43:36,305 That's all I can say. 621 00:43:38,045 --> 00:43:39,814 They probably sent the same letter to all of us, Dad. 622 00:43:39,849 --> 00:43:41,178 No, no way. Look. 623 00:43:42,346 --> 00:43:44,654 "In the course of clearing the trench with CSM Falconer 624 00:43:44,689 --> 00:43:47,151 and others, you were..." Blah-blah-blah. You. 625 00:43:47,186 --> 00:43:48,350 Nobody else. You. 626 00:43:50,728 --> 00:43:53,421 The solicitors for the Iraqis are saying that they were, um... 627 00:43:55,095 --> 00:43:56,666 farmers and not militia. 628 00:43:56,701 --> 00:43:58,668 Are they trying to tell me you wouldnae know the difference 629 00:43:58,703 --> 00:43:59,900 between a farmer and a trained killer 630 00:43:59,935 --> 00:44:01,132 working for what-was-his-name? 631 00:44:01,167 --> 00:44:02,364 Muqtada al-Sadr. - God's sake. 632 00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:05,070 Public inquiry. 633 00:44:05,875 --> 00:44:06,907 The world's gone mad. 634 00:44:27,193 --> 00:44:28,489 : Listen up. New orders. 635 00:44:28,524 --> 00:44:29,996 We've got to pick up the enemy dead 636 00:44:30,031 --> 00:44:31,162 and bring them back with us. 637 00:44:32,365 --> 00:44:34,330 Intel reports person of interest in the field today. 638 00:44:34,805 --> 00:44:36,134 Whose orders is this? 639 00:44:37,071 --> 00:44:39,973 : No one does this. We shouldn't be doing it. 640 00:44:42,912 --> 00:44:44,208 Fuck this! 641 00:44:44,243 --> 00:44:46,749 They think some local warlord is among the dead. 642 00:44:46,784 --> 00:44:48,509 So we're taking the bodies back for ID-ing. 643 00:44:48,544 --> 00:44:50,049 Falconer picked us out for it. 644 00:44:52,284 --> 00:44:54,757 Right, I'll pick him up. 645 00:44:54,792 --> 00:44:56,385 You yank his trousers back up. 646 00:44:56,959 --> 00:44:58,090 What? 647 00:44:59,896 --> 00:45:01,357 Who did all that? 648 00:45:03,559 --> 00:45:07,429 Chain gun could do that. A 30mm tank shell. 649 00:45:10,467 --> 00:45:12,137 Killing someone's one thing. 650 00:45:13,877 --> 00:45:16,405 Picking them up after, looking them in the eye... 651 00:45:19,278 --> 00:45:20,915 Tell you what I don't see. 652 00:45:20,950 --> 00:45:23,280 I don't see any village elders who sent these kids out here 653 00:45:23,315 --> 00:45:26,448 with rifles against a company full of tanks and Warriors. 654 00:46:33,649 --> 00:46:35,055 : Drop your fucking weapons! 655 00:46:36,355 --> 00:46:38,124 Killing someone's one thing. 656 00:46:38,159 --> 00:46:39,994 Picking them up after, looking them in the eye... 657 00:46:40,524 --> 00:46:42,293 Why didn't they shoot us? 658 00:46:42,328 --> 00:46:43,998 Why didn't you shoot us? We never even saw you. 659 00:46:44,396 --> 00:46:45,494 What kind of soldiers are you? 660 00:46:53,240 --> 00:46:54,910 : Hey. Hey. 661 00:46:55,143 --> 00:46:56,912 Come on. Come here. 662 00:46:56,947 --> 00:46:59,046 Come on. Hey, come on. 663 00:47:00,181 --> 00:47:01,246 It's alright. 664 00:47:01,281 --> 00:47:02,412 It's alright. 665 00:47:03,888 --> 00:47:06,383 I'm here. Come on. Come inside. 666 00:47:07,991 --> 00:47:08,957 Inside. 667 00:47:30,046 --> 00:47:32,211 : When the judges approved our judicial review 668 00:47:32,477 --> 00:47:36,248 they slammed the Military Police and the Ministry of Defence 669 00:47:36,283 --> 00:47:38,184 for not going far enough. 670 00:47:38,384 --> 00:47:41,220 Took our side on every point of substance. 671 00:47:42,091 --> 00:47:45,422 Left the government no option but a full public inquiry. 672 00:47:45,655 --> 00:47:47,094 Listen to this, Patrick. 673 00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:49,459 It's not some Guardian editorial. 674 00:47:49,494 --> 00:47:51,560 This is from the judge's own ruling. 675 00:47:51,595 --> 00:47:53,969 "In our view, the Military Police investigation 676 00:47:54,004 --> 00:47:56,367 relating to allegations of murder and torture 677 00:47:56,402 --> 00:47:59,271 was deficient." It wasn't fit for purpose. 678 00:47:59,702 --> 00:48:02,043 No major incident room. 679 00:48:02,078 --> 00:48:05,981 Failure to identity or interview relevant personnel. 680 00:48:06,313 --> 00:48:10,018 Failure to seize all contemporaneous records. 681 00:48:10,053 --> 00:48:11,954 Failure to interview the detainees. 682 00:48:11,989 --> 00:48:13,549 Well, you've done an amazing job, Phil 683 00:48:13,584 --> 00:48:15,254 no one's doubting that. 684 00:48:15,289 --> 00:48:18,092 Getting a public inquiry awarded is an extraordinary achievement 685 00:48:18,127 --> 00:48:19,390 for a practice this size. 686 00:48:20,261 --> 00:48:21,359 But? 687 00:48:22,197 --> 00:48:23,394 But nothing. 688 00:48:23,429 --> 00:48:26,001 So, the eminent barrister's coming on board? 689 00:48:26,036 --> 00:48:28,234 Coming on with the legal team who, uh... 690 00:48:28,269 --> 00:48:29,301 Hang on. 691 00:48:30,073 --> 00:48:31,270 Where is it? 692 00:48:31,305 --> 00:48:34,075 How did the judges describe us, Deena? 693 00:48:34,110 --> 00:48:36,077 They said we were greatly outnumbered 694 00:48:36,112 --> 00:48:37,540 by the Secretary of State's legal team 695 00:48:37,575 --> 00:48:41,082 but persisted with requests for disclosure skilfully 696 00:48:41,117 --> 00:48:42,644 and with commendable determination. 697 00:48:42,679 --> 00:48:44,514 Commendable determination, Patrick. 698 00:48:44,549 --> 00:48:46,516 Couldn't have put it better myself. 699 00:48:46,551 --> 00:48:49,057 That war shames our nation, Patrick. 700 00:48:49,092 --> 00:48:50,619 That's not what the inquiry is about. 701 00:48:52,392 --> 00:48:54,689 Ever thought of getting a bigger office, Phil? 702 00:48:55,098 --> 00:48:57,527 Having the walls closing in concentrates the mind. 703 00:48:57,562 --> 00:49:00,068 Doesn't it, Deena? - That's the theory, yes. 704 00:49:00,103 --> 00:49:02,235 Right, so, what have you got? 705 00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:04,699 "We", Patrick. We. Come on. 706 00:49:06,340 --> 00:49:09,638 We've got 20 dead Iraqis taken off the battlefield. 707 00:49:09,673 --> 00:49:11,211 Taken why? 708 00:49:11,246 --> 00:49:12,773 The Army says they needed to ID the bodies 709 00:49:12,808 --> 00:49:14,742 but our witnesses say at least some of them were alive 710 00:49:14,777 --> 00:49:16,282 when they left the battlefield. 711 00:49:16,317 --> 00:49:18,581 And some of them were beaten and shot back at the camp 712 00:49:18,616 --> 00:49:20,253 after they were detained. 713 00:49:20,288 --> 00:49:23,091 More to the point, the Army say they were combatants 714 00:49:23,126 --> 00:49:24,587 and the families say they weren't. 715 00:49:24,622 --> 00:49:26,754 What are you looking for? - The trophy pictures. 716 00:49:26,789 --> 00:49:28,360 Over there. - 717 00:49:29,099 --> 00:49:31,726 Shift your arse, Patrick. You're sitting on Exhibit A. 718 00:49:31,761 --> 00:49:33,398 : Public Interest Lawyers. Hi, Carrie. 719 00:49:33,433 --> 00:49:35,136 Is that...? - Yeah. 720 00:49:35,171 --> 00:49:36,467 Show these to Patrick. 721 00:49:36,502 --> 00:49:38,007 I'll pass you over to him. 722 00:49:38,042 --> 00:49:39,767 Carrie? Hi, yes, I've got... 723 00:49:39,802 --> 00:49:42,209 So these are photos taken by soldiers on the day. 724 00:49:42,244 --> 00:49:44,343 You can see blood on the soldiers' hands in this one. 725 00:49:45,115 --> 00:49:47,181 Why do the Army need to take dead Iraqis for ID-ing 726 00:49:47,216 --> 00:49:48,776 if they had all these cameras in the field? 727 00:49:48,811 --> 00:49:51,647 Exactly! Carrie, I'm gonna pass you back to Deena. 728 00:49:51,682 --> 00:49:53,319 One second. - Oh. 729 00:49:54,157 --> 00:49:56,586 Hi, Carrie... - There were cameras everywhere. 730 00:49:56,621 --> 00:49:58,357 It doesn't make sense. 731 00:49:58,656 --> 00:49:59,996 Look at these. 732 00:50:01,165 --> 00:50:03,131 Look at the condition of these prisoners. It's shameful. 733 00:50:03,430 --> 00:50:05,100 I interviewed this guy in Istanbul. 734 00:50:05,135 --> 00:50:07,762 He's willing to testify. He's just a farmer. 735 00:50:07,797 --> 00:50:09,269 Almost all of them 736 00:50:09,304 --> 00:50:11,040 say they were denied water. - 737 00:50:11,075 --> 00:50:12,239 They've clearly been knocked about. 738 00:50:12,274 --> 00:50:13,834 It's a fucking disgrace, Patrick 739 00:50:13,869 --> 00:50:15,572 and it's our chance to expose it. 740 00:50:15,607 --> 00:50:17,376 Our duty to expose it. 741 00:50:17,411 --> 00:50:18,674 : Phil, that's another delivery. 742 00:50:18,709 --> 00:50:20,214 Well, can you deal with it? 743 00:50:20,249 --> 00:50:22,381 The Iraqi witnesses, what's your process there? 744 00:50:22,416 --> 00:50:24,515 Er, vetted by my man in Iraq. 745 00:50:24,550 --> 00:50:26,484 If he thinks they've got what it takes 746 00:50:26,519 --> 00:50:28,090 then I meet them 747 00:50:28,125 --> 00:50:30,158 on neutral ground in Istanbul. - 748 00:50:30,490 --> 00:50:31,621 The funding? 749 00:50:31,656 --> 00:50:33,326 : The High Court ordered the MOD 750 00:50:33,361 --> 00:50:35,757 to reimburse all our costs getting us this far. 751 00:50:35,792 --> 00:50:37,066 : Door's open, come on up. 752 00:50:37,101 --> 00:50:38,562 You know how many gallantry awards 753 00:50:38,597 --> 00:50:39,596 went to the soldiers at Danny Boy? 754 00:50:40,236 --> 00:50:41,268 Ten. 755 00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:42,830 And to a man, they'll be saying 756 00:50:42,865 --> 00:50:44,667 the Iraqi witnesses are liars. 757 00:50:44,702 --> 00:50:47,175 That the men they killed were soldiers, shot in battle. 758 00:50:47,210 --> 00:50:49,111 No one was mistreated. - : Course they will. 759 00:50:49,839 --> 00:50:51,872 But you and I know what British soldiers 760 00:50:51,907 --> 00:50:53,808 are capable of doing to detainees. 761 00:50:53,843 --> 00:50:56,184 Baha Mousa proved that. 762 00:50:56,219 --> 00:50:58,186 And this is just as grave and important as that. 763 00:50:59,387 --> 00:51:02,256 Only more sprawling. - That's an understatement. 764 00:51:03,787 --> 00:51:06,689 It's an uphill struggle, Patrick, I get that. 765 00:51:06,724 --> 00:51:08,229 It always is. 766 00:51:08,264 --> 00:51:10,660 There's 40 shipping containers of disclosure 767 00:51:10,695 --> 00:51:11,760 for us to wade through. 768 00:51:11,795 --> 00:51:14,103 : Signature, please. - Hm? Oh. 769 00:51:15,634 --> 00:51:18,404 This is the MOD sending us a haystack, saying 770 00:51:18,439 --> 00:51:20,340 "Good luck finding the needle." Thanks. 771 00:51:20,375 --> 00:51:21,836 Do you want this job or don't you? 772 00:51:21,871 --> 00:51:24,113 Cos, as you can probably see 773 00:51:24,148 --> 00:51:25,708 we've got a lot of work to get through. 774 00:51:27,184 --> 00:51:28,711 I'll start with a sandwich. - Hm? 775 00:51:30,451 --> 00:51:32,847 Well, they've got crusts on, Patrick. 776 00:51:32,882 --> 00:51:34,486 Do you think you can cope with that? 777 00:51:38,756 --> 00:51:41,394 You struggling, Dad? - Are you havin' a laugh? 778 00:51:41,627 --> 00:51:44,265 Think I cannae handle a couple of suitcases? 779 00:51:44,300 --> 00:51:46,366 I'll put you through some proper PT, boy. 780 00:51:46,401 --> 00:51:48,236 Now don't you be worrying, either of you. 781 00:51:48,271 --> 00:51:49,798 Not gonna worry. - Call us any time. 782 00:51:49,833 --> 00:51:51,173 Alright. - We're off. 783 00:51:51,208 --> 00:51:53,175 Good luck. - See you when I see you. 784 00:51:53,210 --> 00:51:54,671 I'll give you a bell when we get back. 785 00:51:54,706 --> 00:51:56,838 What's going on, little man? - : He loves that boy. 786 00:51:56,873 --> 00:51:58,444 Loves them both. 787 00:51:58,479 --> 00:51:59,874 Alright, hen? You heard what Margaret said. 788 00:52:01,350 --> 00:52:02,613 Get him back for me. 789 00:52:04,617 --> 00:52:06,188 Getting angry at what's happening to him... 790 00:52:07,488 --> 00:52:09,257 It's not the same as getting him through it. 791 00:52:18,499 --> 00:52:20,466 Are you trying to tell me how to father my son? 792 00:52:22,470 --> 00:52:25,405 You've done a very good job of fathering him, Gavin. 793 00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:29,178 He's just like you. He's a soldier, like you. 794 00:52:29,213 --> 00:52:31,180 He keeps it all in-house, like you. 795 00:52:31,908 --> 00:52:33,611 He doesn't let on what's going on up here 796 00:52:33,646 --> 00:52:35,184 and he really thinks that's working. 797 00:52:36,781 --> 00:52:38,220 He's like you. 798 00:52:38,684 --> 00:52:39,947 He's just like you. 799 00:52:46,692 --> 00:52:48,758 : Point two, Charlie, eh? 800 00:52:50,234 --> 00:52:53,235 Point two. Oh! Is that the one you want to hear? 801 00:52:53,666 --> 00:52:54,995 OK. 802 00:52:55,030 --> 00:52:56,337 Point two. 803 00:52:56,372 --> 00:52:58,405 "That you've given... 804 00:52:59,276 --> 00:53:02,508 an untruthful and/or inaccurate account 805 00:53:03,478 --> 00:53:06,644 in suggesting that the Iraqis you apprehended 806 00:53:06,679 --> 00:53:08,679 had with them any weapons at all. 807 00:53:09,550 --> 00:53:12,485 You're incorrect to suggest or imply 808 00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:17,259 that they had been shooting at... British troops." 809 00:53:17,294 --> 00:53:19,624 Three. 810 00:53:20,627 --> 00:53:23,430 "Any failure to report the misconduct or... 811 00:53:25,500 --> 00:53:28,765 or the allegations of misconduct of which you were aware 812 00:53:29,064 --> 00:53:31,405 is the direct result... 813 00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:33,968 ...by you, deliberately... 814 00:53:35,873 --> 00:53:37,906 to conceal the misconduct of others." 815 00:53:50,426 --> 00:53:51,854 What kind of soldiers are you? 816 00:53:52,824 --> 00:53:54,659 What's that? - Hm? 817 00:53:56,597 --> 00:53:57,827 What was what, sir? 818 00:54:00,029 --> 00:54:03,437 See you got a letter, then, Woody. That from the inquiry? 819 00:54:03,670 --> 00:54:05,670 Yeah. I did, sir. 820 00:54:06,673 --> 00:54:07,573 Me too. 821 00:54:09,346 --> 00:54:10,675 How's that sitting with you now, then? 822 00:54:12,877 --> 00:54:14,008 I love soldiering, sir. 823 00:54:15,649 --> 00:54:16,780 I do, but... 824 00:54:17,750 --> 00:54:18,947 right now, it's... 825 00:54:20,357 --> 00:54:22,324 Train you up, send you out to fight 826 00:54:22,359 --> 00:54:23,820 then you get back for questioning. 827 00:54:23,855 --> 00:54:26,020 I mean, what's that about? - Yeah, they were firing at us. 828 00:54:26,055 --> 00:54:27,956 Yeah, live rounds. 829 00:54:28,530 --> 00:54:31,762 And, no, I didn't... gouge anyone's eye out. 830 00:54:33,634 --> 00:54:34,831 You had all that, too? 831 00:54:35,801 --> 00:54:36,866 Yeah. 832 00:54:38,903 --> 00:54:40,309 Still think about them days? 833 00:54:41,345 --> 00:54:42,641 Danny Boy and the rest? 834 00:54:43,512 --> 00:54:44,907 Five years ago now. More. 835 00:54:48,682 --> 00:54:50,011 I do, sir. 836 00:54:50,948 --> 00:54:51,947 Yeah. 837 00:54:53,423 --> 00:54:54,389 Tough days. 838 00:54:56,085 --> 00:54:57,084 Punchy days. 839 00:54:59,594 --> 00:55:00,593 Yeah. 840 00:55:01,728 --> 00:55:03,024 Immense. 841 00:55:07,602 --> 00:55:09,470 Who do you talk to about them days? 842 00:55:11,870 --> 00:55:13,100 Prefer to just sort of... 843 00:55:14,774 --> 00:55:17,478 you know, keep it where it is, sir. 844 00:55:17,513 --> 00:55:18,611 For the time being. 845 00:55:18,646 --> 00:55:20,448 Got a shifting cargo, though, Woody. 846 00:55:20,813 --> 00:55:21,944 You sure that's a good idea? 847 00:55:24,179 --> 00:55:25,486 Ever thought about knocking on a door 848 00:55:25,521 --> 00:55:26,718 and getting some help with that? 849 00:55:27,820 --> 00:55:29,457 I'm fine, sir. 850 00:55:29,492 --> 00:55:30,821 You were just a kid then, Woody. 851 00:55:32,594 --> 00:55:33,560 But you're not now. 852 00:55:35,498 --> 00:55:36,629 Knock on a door. 853 00:55:39,535 --> 00:55:40,600 I did. 854 00:55:56,585 --> 00:55:58,684 OK. Stress test. 855 00:55:59,148 --> 00:56:00,917 Their claims against ours. 856 00:56:01,524 --> 00:56:02,688 Deena. 857 00:56:02,954 --> 00:56:04,954 The orders to take away the bodies. 858 00:56:04,989 --> 00:56:06,560 Everything flows from that. 859 00:56:06,958 --> 00:56:08,727 If they were dead, like the Army says 860 00:56:08,762 --> 00:56:11,598 removing them is unprecedented and needs a better explanation. 861 00:56:11,633 --> 00:56:13,864 If they were alive, like the families say... 862 00:56:14,933 --> 00:56:16,097 then they must've been executed. 863 00:56:16,539 --> 00:56:18,902 Hm. So who gave that order? 864 00:56:20,004 --> 00:56:21,509 No one seems to know. 865 00:56:23,172 --> 00:56:25,678 If the dead bodies needed ID-ing 866 00:56:25,944 --> 00:56:28,516 why didn't they photograph them there? Hm? 867 00:56:30,047 --> 00:56:31,684 Instead of transporting them. 868 00:56:32,522 --> 00:56:35,556 The trophy pictures show that there were cameras present. 869 00:56:38,154 --> 00:56:39,153 If you were an Iraqi mother 870 00:56:39,188 --> 00:56:40,891 searching through shredded bodies 871 00:56:40,926 --> 00:56:42,530 in a morgue two days later 872 00:56:42,565 --> 00:56:44,191 you would suspect something very bad. 873 00:56:45,095 --> 00:56:46,831 Lots of unanswered questions. 874 00:56:48,835 --> 00:56:49,867 Patrick. 875 00:56:50,936 --> 00:56:52,199 Bit of balance? 876 00:56:53,477 --> 00:56:54,575 Well, the inquiry will want to test 877 00:56:54,610 --> 00:56:56,038 the credibility of the witnesses. 878 00:56:56,073 --> 00:56:57,644 When did their injuries occur? 879 00:56:57,679 --> 00:56:58,843 How can anyone be sure 880 00:56:58,878 --> 00:57:00,075 they weren't members of a militia group? 881 00:57:00,110 --> 00:57:01,208 And the dead, too, for that matter-- 882 00:57:01,243 --> 00:57:02,682 The militia stuff... 883 00:57:03,951 --> 00:57:05,817 Neither side can prove that. That's our word against theirs. 884 00:57:05,852 --> 00:57:07,984 It's not "our" word, Phil, it's the witnesses'. 885 00:57:08,690 --> 00:57:11,526 We present their evidence to the inquiry, we don't own it. 886 00:57:12,254 --> 00:57:13,561 Very noble, Patrick. 887 00:57:15,829 --> 00:57:17,961 Why did the Military Police drop their investigation? 888 00:57:19,668 --> 00:57:21,096 Incompetence or cover-up? 889 00:57:21,131 --> 00:57:22,603 OK, what do we say to that one? 890 00:57:22,638 --> 00:57:24,770 We say incompetence or cover-up. Anything else? 891 00:57:24,805 --> 00:57:26,673 As I'm reading, I'm trying to put myself in the position 892 00:57:26,708 --> 00:57:28,708 of the Army soldiers. - Useful exercise. 893 00:57:28,743 --> 00:57:30,270 If you're fired up and you've been shot at 894 00:57:30,305 --> 00:57:32,074 and you're charging across a field 895 00:57:32,109 --> 00:57:33,548 and someone puts their hands up... 896 00:57:34,848 --> 00:57:36,716 where does the war bit stop 897 00:57:36,751 --> 00:57:38,883 and the arrest and restraint bit start? 898 00:57:38,918 --> 00:57:40,918 : That's the inquiry's focus in a nutshell. 899 00:57:40,953 --> 00:57:42,623 What happens after the war bit stops? 900 00:57:42,658 --> 00:57:45,021 It's grey... It's a grey area. 901 00:57:45,595 --> 00:57:46,253 OK. 902 00:57:47,223 --> 00:57:49,058 It is. So, you're fired up 903 00:57:49,962 --> 00:57:51,258 you've been shot at 904 00:57:51,634 --> 00:57:54,998 you've taken a guy with his hands up prisoner 905 00:57:55,704 --> 00:57:57,902 and you live that grey area, you're in it. 906 00:58:00,071 --> 00:58:02,236 Maybe you knock him about. Is that what you're saying? 907 00:58:02,271 --> 00:58:04,645 Why wouldn't you? - I guess. 908 00:58:05,010 --> 00:58:07,175 Hm. Well, here's your answer. 909 00:58:09,212 --> 00:58:11,080 Because they're British soldiers. 910 00:58:11,852 --> 00:58:12,884 They're trained 911 00:58:12,919 --> 00:58:14,985 to be better than that. - Right. 912 00:58:15,020 --> 00:58:17,053 I mean, either they are or they aren't. Right? 913 00:58:18,188 --> 00:58:20,628 Either they are better than that or they're not. 914 00:58:24,898 --> 00:58:26,227 Sorry. Have to take this. 915 00:58:27,263 --> 00:58:29,098 Hello? Yeah. 916 00:58:29,573 --> 00:58:30,968 And... 917 00:58:32,873 --> 00:58:34,642 Go on. - 918 00:58:34,677 --> 00:58:37,645 The arrangements we used to gather our witnesses 919 00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:39,306 the fact that we've operated through a middleman 920 00:58:39,341 --> 00:58:41,616 some of the financial arrangements... 921 00:58:41,651 --> 00:58:42,518 What? 922 00:58:45,380 --> 00:58:48,216 Well... is all of that definitely OK? 923 00:58:50,924 --> 00:58:52,990 We literally had no choice. 924 00:58:54,895 --> 00:58:59,161 Either we let the killings of 20 potentially innocent Iraqis 925 00:58:59,196 --> 00:59:02,604 go unchallenged, or we do what we did. 926 00:59:03,068 --> 00:59:04,298 What choice did we have? 927 00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:07,543 If we win, it'll all be forgotten. 928 00:59:08,370 --> 00:59:10,172 If we lose, it'll all be irrelevant. 929 00:59:22,725 --> 00:59:24,593 : Can't abide the coffee they have here. 930 00:59:25,728 --> 00:59:27,695 But if I leave my good coffee in the kitchen 931 00:59:27,730 --> 00:59:28,795 everyone drinks it. 932 00:59:29,699 --> 00:59:31,325 I've had your statement typed up 933 00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:34,603 into the same basic form as the other soldiers. 934 00:59:34,638 --> 00:59:36,132 I want you to read it through now 935 00:59:36,167 --> 00:59:38,266 and say if it's an accurate reflection of what you told me. 936 00:59:41,073 --> 00:59:42,842 Let's have it out loud. 937 00:59:43,042 --> 00:59:44,613 There's a good chap. 938 00:59:44,648 --> 00:59:45,372 It's good practice. 939 00:59:45,946 --> 00:59:46,978 Yeah. 940 00:59:57,320 --> 01:00:02,224 "I deployed to Iraq on the 8th of April 2004 941 01:00:02,259 --> 01:00:04,699 in support of Operation TELIC 4. 942 01:00:06,703 --> 01:00:10,903 I deployed as a Lance Corporal with A Platoon, C Company 943 01:00:10,938 --> 01:00:13,367 1st Battalion, the Princess of Wales's Royal Regiment. 944 01:00:16,713 --> 01:00:19,076 This was my first deployment to Iraq. 945 01:00:19,111 --> 01:00:21,342 My role was as dismount commander 946 01:00:21,916 --> 01:00:24,048 and I would rarely get out of the Warrior 947 01:00:24,083 --> 01:00:26,083 as we would be vulnerable to incoming fire. 948 01:00:26,118 --> 01:00:28,987 The plan was to go to the side of trench one 949 01:00:29,022 --> 01:00:30,659 and take the enemy by surprise. 950 01:00:30,694 --> 01:00:32,056 Three of us returned fire 951 01:00:32,091 --> 01:00:34,256 in an attempt to suppress the enemy position. 952 01:00:34,291 --> 01:00:35,829 When I reached the trench 953 01:00:35,864 --> 01:00:38,700 there were still four enemy combatants within it. 954 01:00:38,735 --> 01:00:41,098 One of them was shouting in Arabic. 955 01:00:43,135 --> 01:00:45,806 : He had his hands in the air and continued to shout. 956 01:00:45,841 --> 01:00:47,643 Get down! Get down! 957 01:00:47,909 --> 01:00:50,844 I shouted back at him something along the lines of... 958 01:00:51,176 --> 01:00:52,780 Get your fucking hands up! 959 01:00:52,815 --> 01:00:54,078 : "Put your fucking hands up." 960 01:00:54,751 --> 01:00:56,311 The detainees were grabbed by their clothes 961 01:00:56,346 --> 01:00:58,379 or arms and forced down. 962 01:00:58,414 --> 01:01:00,447 There was a large number of weapons. 963 01:01:00,482 --> 01:01:02,053 Once the search had been completed 964 01:01:02,088 --> 01:01:03,351 the detainees' hands were plasticuffed 965 01:01:03,386 --> 01:01:04,485 and they were blindfolded. 966 01:01:04,521 --> 01:01:07,058 CSM Falconer took charge of the situation 967 01:01:07,093 --> 01:01:08,455 and said that he and I were to advance 968 01:01:08,490 --> 01:01:09,689 to trench two to check it was clear. 969 01:01:09,725 --> 01:01:13,031 I saw an enemy combatant stand up and aim at CSM Falconer 970 01:01:13,066 --> 01:01:14,299 who reacted very quickly. 971 01:01:14,334 --> 01:01:17,167 Immediately after this, I saw another aimed at me. 972 01:01:17,202 --> 01:01:19,708 I fired two rounds at him and saw him drop to the ground. 973 01:01:19,743 --> 01:01:21,072 As we were walking back 974 01:01:21,107 --> 01:01:22,843 two enemy emerged with their hands up. 975 01:01:23,076 --> 01:01:25,780 We had not seen them or been aware of them at all. 976 01:01:25,815 --> 01:01:27,507 It was lucky for us that they chose to surrender 977 01:01:27,542 --> 01:01:28,750 rather than engage. 978 01:01:34,219 --> 01:01:36,692 The order to collect the dead was an unusual order. 979 01:01:37,761 --> 01:01:39,827 It would be normal to leave the dead on the battlefield. 980 01:01:42,260 --> 01:01:44,425 I had not been in such a situation previously 981 01:01:44,933 --> 01:01:47,098 and collecting the dead was a horrible job 982 01:01:47,133 --> 01:01:48,495 that no one wanted to do. 983 01:02:01,785 --> 01:02:03,114 I was not offered any counselling 984 01:02:03,149 --> 01:02:04,445 when I returned from my tour. 985 01:02:05,514 --> 01:02:07,217 I do not recall attending any debrief 986 01:02:07,252 --> 01:02:08,515 at the end of my tour either. 987 01:02:10,860 --> 01:02:13,289 I believe the facts in this witness statement are true." 988 01:02:18,197 --> 01:02:19,229 : OK. 989 01:02:23,334 --> 01:02:24,465 Well done. 990 01:02:36,281 --> 01:02:37,412 You alright? 991 01:02:44,058 --> 01:02:44,991 Hang on. 992 01:02:56,037 --> 01:02:57,333 Isn't he home? 993 01:02:57,368 --> 01:02:59,071 He's usually home by now. 994 01:02:59,106 --> 01:03:00,270 Uh, yeah, I don't know. 995 01:03:02,978 --> 01:03:04,142 You haven't knocked? 996 01:03:11,250 --> 01:03:12,216 You were right. 997 01:03:14,319 --> 01:03:15,582 You were right in what you said. 998 01:03:18,928 --> 01:03:19,993 OK. 999 01:03:21,898 --> 01:03:23,524 Do you wanna come in? - No, just... 1000 01:03:23,559 --> 01:03:25,592 Just get Brian out here for me, will you, love? 1001 01:03:51,653 --> 01:03:53,026 Brian. - Dad. 1002 01:04:07,009 --> 01:04:08,272 You know I love you, son. 1003 01:04:11,046 --> 01:04:12,474 Up to now, maybe. Is that what you're saying? 1004 01:04:12,509 --> 01:04:14,443 See, that's just exactly it. That's... 1005 01:04:15,149 --> 01:04:17,413 That's exactly it. That's where Lucy's got her head screwed on 1006 01:04:17,448 --> 01:04:19,987 and me and you havnae. That's... See, that's what it... 1007 01:04:20,022 --> 01:04:21,923 That's where she's exactly right. 1008 01:04:21,958 --> 01:04:23,287 Lucy? Dad... 1009 01:04:23,322 --> 01:04:25,190 Keep it all in-house, keep it in the headspace. 1010 01:04:25,225 --> 01:04:26,389 What's the fucking point, eh? 1011 01:04:33,068 --> 01:04:34,430 I can see what you're doing, Brian 1012 01:04:34,465 --> 01:04:35,871 and you took your cue from me. 1013 01:04:37,171 --> 01:04:39,039 And it's no good. It's no good at all. 1014 01:04:39,976 --> 01:04:41,910 I shouldnae have done it and you shouldnae be doing it. 1015 01:04:41,945 --> 01:04:43,978 All that, "I'm a tough guy" bollocks. 1016 01:04:44,013 --> 01:04:46,244 Cos that's what it is. Total bollocks. 1017 01:04:47,511 --> 01:04:49,544 There's naebody tough. None of us. 1018 01:04:49,579 --> 01:04:52,250 No' me. No' you. No' Arnie bloody... 1019 01:04:52,285 --> 01:04:53,383 Schwarzenegger. 1020 01:04:54,287 --> 01:04:55,451 Aye. 1021 01:05:03,065 --> 01:05:04,658 You remember how I told you about my pal 1022 01:05:04,693 --> 01:05:07,661 who got shot by the IRA? Shot and killed by the IRA? 1023 01:05:08,433 --> 01:05:09,663 Yeah. 1024 01:05:10,866 --> 01:05:12,633 And how I got promoted to Lance Corporal cos he was dead. 1025 01:05:14,010 --> 01:05:15,537 Right after the funeral. 1026 01:05:16,012 --> 01:05:17,440 They even give me his callsign. 1027 01:05:20,082 --> 01:05:22,346 I didn't... I didn't know that. - Aye, well, now you do. 1028 01:05:29,091 --> 01:05:31,025 I didnae even think about it. I was 20 years old. 1029 01:05:31,753 --> 01:05:33,522 But see, later, that gnawed at me. 1030 01:05:36,362 --> 01:05:37,592 It gnawed at me. 1031 01:05:38,496 --> 01:05:40,232 You know, his dying and me just stepping up 1032 01:05:40,267 --> 01:05:42,366 and saying to the major, "Aye, sure, gimme his stripes. 1033 01:05:42,401 --> 01:05:43,664 I'll take his callsign." 1034 01:05:45,107 --> 01:05:46,403 It's like I wiped him off the record. 1035 01:05:46,438 --> 01:05:48,174 No thought about anything else. 1036 01:05:48,209 --> 01:05:50,143 "Just gotta get these tapes sewed on." That was it. 1037 01:05:55,447 --> 01:05:56,952 But he found his way back in. 1038 01:05:59,649 --> 01:06:00,582 And rightly so. 1039 01:06:03,191 --> 01:06:05,521 There's never been a day from that moment to this 1040 01:06:05,556 --> 01:06:08,161 that I havnae thought about him, but did I tell anybody? 1041 01:06:09,329 --> 01:06:10,757 Dad-- - You know what it... 1042 01:06:12,200 --> 01:06:13,661 You know what it felt like? It felt like... 1043 01:06:16,600 --> 01:06:19,106 It felt like I had to live my life and his. 1044 01:06:20,043 --> 01:06:21,042 That's what it felt like. 1045 01:06:23,475 --> 01:06:26,014 That's what I meant when I said the dead have questions for you. 1046 01:06:28,678 --> 01:06:30,249 You see, when you join the Army 1047 01:06:30,284 --> 01:06:31,646 you're part of something massive. 1048 01:06:31,681 --> 01:06:33,252 You know, "We're all in this together." 1049 01:06:33,287 --> 01:06:35,386 But see, when it comes to the knocks you take, we're... 1050 01:06:35,586 --> 01:06:36,750 we're all a closed book. 1051 01:06:39,227 --> 01:06:40,391 OK. 1052 01:06:43,132 --> 01:06:44,791 I'm not a good example, Brian. 1053 01:06:45,530 --> 01:06:46,694 And that hurts me. 1054 01:06:48,368 --> 01:06:50,434 It hurts me to see you following that example. 1055 01:06:53,670 --> 01:06:56,209 OK. Come in now, Dad. Come on. 1056 01:06:56,244 --> 01:06:58,046 No, no, no. I've said what I came to say. 1057 01:07:07,816 --> 01:07:09,552 I couldn't be more proud of you, son! 1058 01:07:11,688 --> 01:07:13,193 I couldnae be more proud of you. 1059 01:07:15,890 --> 01:07:17,164 It's me I'm ashamed of. 1060 01:07:17,892 --> 01:07:19,529 For not saying it to you sooner. 1061 01:07:22,567 --> 01:07:25,535 I said to your mother, I said I couldnae even contemplate... 1062 01:07:25,570 --> 01:07:27,438 Aye, sure, I served 23 years 1063 01:07:27,473 --> 01:07:29,770 but I cannae even contemplate what my son went through. 1064 01:07:32,445 --> 01:07:33,741 I'm in awe of that. 1065 01:07:37,747 --> 01:07:39,219 I have no experience of that. 1066 01:07:43,753 --> 01:07:45,258 And that hurts, as a father. 1067 01:07:48,461 --> 01:07:50,428 I sent you places I've never been. 1068 01:07:58,801 --> 01:07:59,833 You were there, Dad. 1069 01:08:04,246 --> 01:08:05,278 You were there. 1070 01:08:20,328 --> 01:08:21,228 Oh, no! 1071 01:08:22,759 --> 01:08:24,462 - Babe. 1072 01:08:24,860 --> 01:08:25,859 What did you say to him? 1073 01:08:29,502 --> 01:08:31,469 I said he should tell you what was on his mind. 1074 01:08:33,671 --> 01:08:34,868 And did he? - Yeah. 1075 01:08:36,410 --> 01:08:38,212 Well, that's a good start then, isn't it? 1076 01:08:38,247 --> 01:08:39,114 Yeah. 1077 01:08:42,614 --> 01:08:43,679 Alright, Bailey boy. 1078 01:08:44,418 --> 01:08:46,781 You beat your mum. Can you beat your dad? 1079 01:08:48,554 --> 01:08:49,883 That was a good shot. 1080 01:08:49,918 --> 01:08:50,884 And again. 1081 01:08:51,491 --> 01:08:53,755 Oh-ho-ho. Oh! 1082 01:09:02,832 --> 01:09:04,832 Dad! 1083 01:09:08,409 --> 01:09:09,573 Bastard. 1084 01:09:24,018 --> 01:09:26,260 : A public inquiry opens today 1085 01:09:26,295 --> 01:09:27,921 into some of the most serious allegations 1086 01:09:27,956 --> 01:09:29,725 to have emerged from the Iraq war. 1087 01:09:29,760 --> 01:09:31,925 It'll examine claims that British troops 1088 01:09:31,960 --> 01:09:33,729 murdered up to 20 Iraqis 1089 01:09:33,764 --> 01:09:35,731 following a gun battle in 2004 1090 01:09:36,371 --> 01:09:38,404 and that nine detainees were mistreated. 1091 01:09:38,439 --> 01:09:39,768 : The inquiry is expected 1092 01:09:39,803 --> 01:09:40,967 to last for around a year. 1093 01:09:41,002 --> 01:09:42,804 Stop, please, sir. Thank you. 1094 01:09:42,839 --> 01:09:44,806 Just a few last-minute thoughts. 1095 01:09:45,413 --> 01:09:48,777 Oh. Even more last-minute than your 2am email? 1096 01:09:49,043 --> 01:09:51,681 The inquiry's terms of reference are as follows 1097 01:09:51,716 --> 01:09:55,652 and I quote: "To investigate and report on the allegations 1098 01:09:55,687 --> 01:09:59,293 made by the claimants against British soldiers. 1099 01:09:59,328 --> 01:10:01,724 It is also necessary to examine 1100 01:10:02,331 --> 01:10:04,925 the broad circumstances of the battle, the conduct 1101 01:10:04,960 --> 01:10:07,730 and the actions of the soldiers and Iraqis involved 1102 01:10:07,765 --> 01:10:09,963 and the manner and cause of death. 1103 01:10:09,998 --> 01:10:12,768 : Why is this inquiry taking place? 1104 01:10:12,803 --> 01:10:15,903 This is a legitimate question for all participants to ask 1105 01:10:15,938 --> 01:10:17,410 in light of the public expense 1106 01:10:17,643 --> 01:10:19,610 and resources inevitably involved. 1107 01:10:20,976 --> 01:10:22,448 There is a clear answer 1108 01:10:22,483 --> 01:10:24,912 and that is because of the credible allegations 1109 01:10:24,947 --> 01:10:28,223 of unlawful killing by British soldiers of Iraqi civilians... 1110 01:10:28,489 --> 01:10:29,653 Tank chaser. 1111 01:10:31,624 --> 01:10:33,261 You care to repeat that? 1112 01:10:33,296 --> 01:10:34,856 Why do you hate us so much, Mr Shiner? 1113 01:10:36,893 --> 01:10:38,662 I've represented more soldiers 1114 01:10:38,697 --> 01:10:40,301 than any other lawyer in the country. 1115 01:10:40,336 --> 01:10:42,028 : Disaffected soldiers, maybe. 1116 01:10:42,063 --> 01:10:44,833 Is there any other kind, really? In the end? 1117 01:10:53,943 --> 01:10:55,910 : A boy at school says you're a murderer. 1118 01:10:56,814 --> 01:10:58,418 And that's what's upsetting you? 1119 01:10:58,651 --> 01:10:59,749 That is upsetting. 1120 01:11:01,423 --> 01:11:02,752 And what'd you say? 1121 01:11:02,952 --> 01:11:04,358 He didn't say it to me. 1122 01:11:05,394 --> 01:11:06,459 He just said it. 1123 01:11:06,494 --> 01:11:08,395 Well, he must've said it to somebody. 1124 01:11:16,031 --> 01:11:17,701 Come here, little man. 1125 01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:21,837 Say you're not. 1126 01:11:23,071 --> 01:11:24,807 Not what? - Dad. 1127 01:11:25,909 --> 01:11:26,941 Bailey... 1128 01:11:28,813 --> 01:11:30,549 do I look like a murderer to you? 1129 01:11:33,587 --> 01:11:34,421 Hm? 1130 01:11:35,083 --> 01:11:36,555 Come on. Get to bed. 1131 01:11:40,462 --> 01:11:41,725 Right, goodnight. 1132 01:11:53,068 --> 01:11:55,541 Did you forget your kecks? 1133 01:11:55,576 --> 01:11:56,674 Is that a problem? 1134 01:12:02,748 --> 01:12:03,879 You OK? 1135 01:12:05,553 --> 01:12:06,552 Yeah, I'm OK. 1136 01:12:08,754 --> 01:12:10,017 Sure you don't want me to come? 1137 01:12:10,558 --> 01:12:11,392 Yeah. 1138 01:12:12,186 --> 01:12:13,658 Yeah, no, I'll be fine. 1139 01:12:14,859 --> 01:12:15,990 I'll be thinking about you. 1140 01:12:20,733 --> 01:12:23,503 Babe, I'm taking Bailey to school before I go to London. 1141 01:12:24,539 --> 01:12:25,604 OK. 1142 01:12:31,579 --> 01:12:32,809 Cheers. 1143 01:12:36,881 --> 01:12:38,782 Yo, let's get a move on. 1144 01:12:40,082 --> 01:12:42,984 Hey, you be good for your mum now, little man. Yeah? 1145 01:12:43,019 --> 01:12:45,492 And you be good for me too. 1146 01:12:45,527 --> 01:12:47,692 Yeah. I'll be as good as gold, babe. 1147 01:12:49,190 --> 01:12:50,464 Yo. 1148 01:12:52,831 --> 01:12:55,634 Love you. Have a good day. - Thanks. 1149 01:13:01,576 --> 01:13:02,674 So... 1150 01:13:03,777 --> 01:13:06,106 someone at school said that I was a murderer, yeah? 1151 01:13:09,012 --> 01:13:10,583 Do you think they'd say that to my face? 1152 01:13:11,619 --> 01:13:13,520 Huh? Why not? 1153 01:13:14,688 --> 01:13:16,116 Cos you're bigger than them. - Yeah? 1154 01:13:16,987 --> 01:13:19,757 And who's bigger? Them or you? 1155 01:13:20,661 --> 01:13:21,759 Them. 1156 01:13:21,794 --> 01:13:22,892 Yeah. 1157 01:13:24,962 --> 01:13:25,994 Don't come to school, Dad. 1158 01:13:28,768 --> 01:13:30,064 Hey. Come here. 1159 01:13:33,003 --> 01:13:34,101 Look... 1160 01:13:35,544 --> 01:13:36,840 for the record, Bailey... 1161 01:13:38,745 --> 01:13:39,909 I did kill people. 1162 01:13:40,945 --> 01:13:43,077 In Iraq... in a battle. 1163 01:13:45,279 --> 01:13:46,652 But I'm a soldier 1164 01:13:47,556 --> 01:13:49,490 and sometimes, that's what soldiers have to do. 1165 01:13:54,123 --> 01:13:55,188 What do you think about that? 1166 01:14:04,001 --> 01:14:05,099 OK. 1167 01:14:07,906 --> 01:14:12,139 There's a difference between that and being a murderer. 1168 01:14:13,307 --> 01:14:14,548 What is it? 1169 01:14:16,849 --> 01:14:19,047 That's what I'm going to London today to talk about. 1170 01:14:38,134 --> 01:14:39,474 Who's up today? 1171 01:14:40,103 --> 01:14:42,169 Brian Wood and... 1172 01:14:42,776 --> 01:14:43,841 Chris Broome. 1173 01:14:48,782 --> 01:14:50,045 What's that? 1174 01:14:58,924 --> 01:15:00,627 Who sent this? 1175 01:15:00,926 --> 01:15:03,960 The inquiry wanted an audit of evidence for disclosure 1176 01:15:03,995 --> 01:15:07,293 from all the different teams. This just turned up. 1177 01:15:07,328 --> 01:15:10,670 Turned up? From where? From our side? 1178 01:15:10,705 --> 01:15:12,298 Maybe it was at the bottom of a pile somewhere. 1179 01:15:15,578 --> 01:15:17,138 So the local warlord 1180 01:15:17,778 --> 01:15:20,680 lists all Iraqi dead and detainees as his soldiers. 1181 01:15:21,045 --> 01:15:22,176 Everyone there on the day. 1182 01:15:25,346 --> 01:15:26,554 Shit. 1183 01:15:29,889 --> 01:15:32,021 If they were soldiers, not farmers 1184 01:15:32,056 --> 01:15:33,924 the inquiry won't believe anything else we say. 1185 01:15:35,092 --> 01:15:36,564 Why didn't we know about this? 1186 01:15:37,864 --> 01:15:39,765 We should have known about this! 1187 01:15:42,396 --> 01:15:43,263 Phil! 1188 01:15:48,776 --> 01:15:50,171 For all we know, it's... 1189 01:15:50,844 --> 01:15:52,811 it's complete bullshit. It's... 1190 01:15:53,913 --> 01:15:58,179 propaganda put about by local Iraqi militia. 1191 01:15:59,655 --> 01:16:01,688 Turning them into martyrs. It's... 1192 01:16:01,723 --> 01:16:03,283 The judge will throw it out as irrelevant. 1193 01:16:03,318 --> 01:16:05,384 Will he? How can you know that? 1194 01:16:05,419 --> 01:16:08,024 Cos Patrick will point them in that direction. It's obvious. 1195 01:16:08,059 --> 01:16:10,862 You told me a case is only as strong as its weakest evidence. 1196 01:16:10,897 --> 01:16:12,732 This casts doubt on our witnesses! 1197 01:16:12,767 --> 01:16:14,360 I'll tell you what's not in doubt. 1198 01:16:14,395 --> 01:16:16,362 They're a bunch of lads with Kalashnikovs 1199 01:16:16,397 --> 01:16:18,870 that British troops threw 13,000 rounds at. 1200 01:16:19,136 --> 01:16:20,641 That's what they are. 1201 01:16:20,676 --> 01:16:23,369 Lads at breakfast, soldiers at teatime 1202 01:16:23,404 --> 01:16:25,844 lads again by bedtime, if they lasted that long. 1203 01:16:26,275 --> 01:16:27,681 I'll brief Patrick. 1204 01:16:57,273 --> 01:16:58,712 What did they say? - About the list? 1205 01:16:58,747 --> 01:16:59,438 What do you think? 1206 01:16:59,473 --> 01:17:01,110 They're taking it at face value? 1207 01:17:01,145 --> 01:17:03,178 Inquiry's already underwhelmed by some of our witnesses 1208 01:17:03,213 --> 01:17:05,719 and it's on headed paper, it's got a bloody rubber stamp. 1209 01:17:05,754 --> 01:17:08,216 It's probably just a boast, not a fucking employment record. 1210 01:17:08,251 --> 01:17:10,889 Our witnesses have most probably never even seen that list. 1211 01:17:10,924 --> 01:17:12,088 Yeah, shame we hadn't either. 1212 01:17:12,123 --> 01:17:13,958 It makes no difference. 1213 01:17:14,191 --> 01:17:16,928 It makes no difference at all to the human rights issues. 1214 01:17:16,963 --> 01:17:18,897 It makes no difference to what's important. 1215 01:17:18,932 --> 01:17:21,262 It's one piece of evidence amongst a mountain of stuff. 1216 01:17:21,297 --> 01:17:22,703 It's not one piece, though, is it? 1217 01:17:22,738 --> 01:17:24,331 It's part of a picture that's emerging. 1218 01:17:24,366 --> 01:17:26,333 A picture that's not the one you wanted to see. 1219 01:17:26,368 --> 01:17:29,171 It doesn't mean that terrible things didn't happen that day 1220 01:17:29,206 --> 01:17:31,140 or that everything our witnesses say is lies. 1221 01:17:31,175 --> 01:17:32,911 I know that, Phil. 1222 01:17:32,946 --> 01:17:35,111 But things like this, you start to look at best naive 1223 01:17:35,146 --> 01:17:36,343 and at worst mendacious. 1224 01:17:37,786 --> 01:17:38,983 It came out of nowhere! 1225 01:17:39,018 --> 01:17:41,051 It came out of somewhere you didn't look. 1226 01:18:46,855 --> 01:18:48,789 : Some evidence has just come to light. 1227 01:18:49,924 --> 01:18:52,485 An official list from the local Iraqi militia. 1228 01:18:53,422 --> 01:18:56,423 It clearly identifies all the dead and all the detainees 1229 01:18:57,525 --> 01:18:59,393 as members of their armed group. 1230 01:19:00,968 --> 01:19:03,265 It looks like they weren't just farmers, Brian. 1231 01:19:31,394 --> 01:19:33,064 You know what my vehicle commander said? 1232 01:19:34,595 --> 01:19:37,068 At Danny Boy, when it was over? 1233 01:19:39,842 --> 01:19:41,468 He said he didn't see the elders there. 1234 01:19:45,045 --> 01:19:46,341 Didn't see the ones in charge 1235 01:19:46,376 --> 01:19:48,442 who'd sent these kids out in flip-flops to fight us. 1236 01:19:52,052 --> 01:19:53,282 Then sent them halfway round the world 1237 01:19:53,317 --> 01:19:54,580 to fight us again in court. 1238 01:19:56,386 --> 01:19:58,122 Where are they when shit hits the fan? 1239 01:20:00,489 --> 01:20:01,829 Well, quite. 1240 01:20:01,864 --> 01:20:04,062 If these people wanna go and make war a crime 1241 01:20:04,097 --> 01:20:05,624 that's up to them 1242 01:20:05,659 --> 01:20:07,560 but I didn't do anything to be ashamed of in Al Amara. 1243 01:20:09,135 --> 01:20:10,431 I fought for my country. 1244 01:20:12,105 --> 01:20:13,401 And I'm proud of what I did. 1245 01:20:23,116 --> 01:20:24,819 But not doing anything to be ashamed of... 1246 01:20:27,186 --> 01:20:29,021 doesn't stop me from feeling ashamed. 1247 01:21:17,302 --> 01:21:19,335 - 1248 01:21:19,370 --> 01:21:21,139 Who's that? 1249 01:21:21,174 --> 01:21:22,371 : How does it feel to be accused of war crimes? 1250 01:21:22,406 --> 01:21:23,504 : Brian Wood. 1251 01:22:01,049 --> 01:22:04,545 leaves are falling... 1252 01:22:07,418 --> 01:22:08,648 Corporal Wood? 1253 01:22:53,266 --> 01:22:54,397 Who's going to be there? 1254 01:22:55,829 --> 01:22:57,202 Lawyers, mainly. 1255 01:22:57,237 --> 01:22:58,302 Um... 1256 01:22:59,107 --> 01:23:00,370 Some soldiers. 1257 01:23:00,768 --> 01:23:01,976 People from Iraq. 1258 01:23:03,111 --> 01:23:05,045 Because you killed people? 1259 01:23:05,278 --> 01:23:08,114 Well, not just me. There was a lot of people killed, mate. 1260 01:23:10,811 --> 01:23:13,680 And when you've talked about it, then what? 1261 01:23:14,749 --> 01:23:18,553 Well, when I've finished talking about it, then, er... 1262 01:23:22,493 --> 01:23:24,196 then I've finished with being a soldier.