1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:54,221 --> 00:00:56,306 Kinski was a movie himself. 4 00:01:49,276 --> 00:01:54,448 He was a rather peculiar individual, a very curious person. 5 00:01:54,573 --> 00:01:58,744 Klaus Kinski was the worst work experience of my life. 6 00:01:58,785 --> 00:02:02,581 I would never do it again, even under torture. 7 00:31:32,182 --> 00:31:37,729 I worked on NOSFERATU IN VENICE, and it's a long story. 8 00:31:37,854 --> 00:31:39,856 I was involved in every step of the production, 9 00:31:39,898 --> 00:31:43,193 from development to the very end. 10 00:31:43,568 --> 00:31:48,323 The story starts around 1984 when I was directing second unit 11 00:31:48,323 --> 00:31:54,287 and doing the special effects for Dario Argento's PHENOMENA. 12 00:31:54,704 --> 00:32:02,879 NOSFERATU with Klaus Kinski had been released not too long before and it was a big success. 13 00:32:03,088 --> 00:32:10,137 Carlo Alberto Alfieri wanted to do a sort of ripoff, an unauthorized sequel. 14 00:32:10,554 --> 00:32:19,271 He was optimistic because he'd known Kinski for years. 15 00:32:19,312 --> 00:32:25,402 And one day, when Kinski was visiting Rome, he managed to have him sign a contract 16 00:32:25,735 --> 00:32:35,454 to make NOSFERATU IN VENICE, a sequel to the famous NOSFERATU. 17 00:32:42,878 --> 00:32:51,928 Alfieri asked me to work on this movie because he wanted me to do the special effects, 18 00:32:51,928 --> 00:32:55,265 since he knew I had experience in that field. 19 00:32:55,307 --> 00:33:02,606 So I was involved in the development of the project from his office. 20 00:33:02,647 --> 00:33:11,490 At first it was quite an ambitious movie which was supposed to be directed by Maurizio Lucidi, 21 00:33:11,656 --> 00:33:15,327 who was a gialli and western director. 22 00:33:15,952 --> 00:33:19,789 Lucidi was going to direct, initially. 23 00:33:19,956 --> 00:33:23,668 The movie was supposed to be shot in 1984/85, I think. 24 00:33:24,002 --> 00:33:34,137 There was already a script and the whole story was set during the carnival in Venice, 25 00:33:34,304 --> 00:33:39,935 which happens in February. And since Kinski wasn't coming to Italy 26 00:33:40,101 --> 00:33:47,984 until summer, because he was shooting another movie, they had to shoot the carnival in February. 27 00:33:48,068 --> 00:33:51,112 It would have been impossible to recreate at a later time. 28 00:33:51,238 --> 00:33:57,536 So I was there during pre-production with Lucidi and Alfieri. 29 00:33:57,869 --> 00:34:03,625 They went to Venice in February to shoot the carnival footage, using some actors, 30 00:34:03,708 --> 00:34:08,838 not the leads, but extras and minor characters. 31 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:14,594 But, most importantly, they had a perfect body double for Kinski, looking just like NOSFERATU: 32 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:20,433 bald with long nails, big canine teeth, etc. 33 00:34:20,767 --> 00:34:29,234 They shot a lot of footage, at least two hours of footage, and they edited it to about 20 minutes. 34 00:34:29,401 --> 00:34:33,196 It was very expensive to shoot those scenes. 35 00:34:33,196 --> 00:34:39,953 Venice was particularly expensive during the carnival. 36 00:34:40,620 --> 00:34:43,415 It was hard to find hotels and so on. 37 00:34:43,748 --> 00:34:49,629 They shot this footage without Kinski, with the plan to shoot the rest with him in the summer. 38 00:34:49,713 --> 00:34:55,969 If I remember correctly, it was the summer of 1985, and Kinski was very busy. 39 00:34:56,386 --> 00:35:05,312 He always had other movies to shoot outside Italy, 40 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:09,149 and he kept on postponing this movie. 41 00:35:09,649 --> 00:35:14,487 The distributors who were attached by Carlo Alberto Alfieri gave up on the project, 42 00:35:14,696 --> 00:35:17,073 and he ended up without distribution for NOSFERATU IN VENICE. 43 00:35:17,532 --> 00:35:27,042 So he contacted a producer who was working a lot at that time: Augusto Caminito. 44 00:35:27,083 --> 00:35:40,889 The idea behind NOSFERATU IN VENICE was to redo Herzog's NOSFERATU. We wanted to follow that idea. 45 00:35:41,473 --> 00:35:49,230 Kinski agreed immediately and there was a script, which I completely re-wrote, but it was good. 46 00:35:54,069 --> 00:35:57,864 We had several directors. At first there was a guy called Lucchetti, 47 00:35:57,906 --> 00:36:02,661 then Mario Caiano... No wait, before him there was Pasquale Squitieri, 48 00:36:03,161 --> 00:36:13,421 who wanted to do a futuristic Nosferatu set in a future Venice, but he didn't get along with Kinski. 49 00:36:13,463 --> 00:36:22,472 So we hired Caiano, who was brought on to shoot a more traditional movie, more his style and as it was written. 50 00:36:22,472 --> 00:36:36,111 A friend introduced me to a producer/screenwriter named Augusto Caminito. 51 00:36:36,486 --> 00:36:41,366 He was in a desperate situation. 52 00:36:41,366 --> 00:36:46,955 He'd sent a director to Africa to shoot an adventure movie, a kind of INDIANA JONES, 53 00:36:47,122 --> 00:36:50,792 and this guy did everything in Africa except shoot the action scenes. 54 00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:54,170 So he came back with footage which couldn't be edited, and he told me, 55 00:36:54,713 --> 00:36:57,674 “Mario, do me a favor. Save this movie for me.” 56 00:36:57,716 --> 00:37:03,138 So I shot for 10 days. I was lucky enough to find a reconstructed mine at De Paolis studios. 57 00:37:03,263 --> 00:37:06,015 Then I went to Tor Caldara, where I recreated Africa. 58 00:37:06,516 --> 00:37:11,479 I shot 10 days of action scenes in order to save this movie. 59 00:37:11,563 --> 00:37:15,775 I even used some of Sergio Leone's ONCE UPON A TIME IN AMERICA locations. 60 00:37:15,817 --> 00:37:22,323 Well, I did that for 15 days or so and I saved the movie. They edited it, he liked it, and he was happy. 61 00:37:22,949 --> 00:37:27,954 He was so grateful that he told me, “You'll be the director of the next movie I produce.” 62 00:37:28,037 --> 00:37:30,540 He even had me sigh a contract. 63 00:37:31,166 --> 00:37:40,592 Around the same time he also promised Kinski that he would direct his next movie, which was NOSFERATU IN VENICE. 64 00:37:40,967 --> 00:37:50,059 Neither Kinski or I knew about this conflict. I thought I was the director and so did he. 65 00:37:50,435 --> 00:37:54,230 We knew Mario because we had worked with him before. 66 00:37:54,397 --> 00:37:58,485 He was a professional and a good director. He knew his job. 67 00:37:58,818 --> 00:38:07,285 He also knew that directing Kinski wouldn't be an easy task. 68 00:38:08,077 --> 00:38:12,916 He never could've imagined just how hard it was going to be. 69 00:38:12,916 --> 00:38:22,926 While we were waiting for Kinski to arrive, Caminito made a deal with Berlusconi at Mediaset. 70 00:38:23,218 --> 00:38:32,977 Berlusconi was starting as a producer. Up until that time Berlusconi would buy movies cheaply, 71 00:38:33,311 --> 00:38:38,608 but when the producers realized that they'd made bad deals they started asking for a lot of money. 72 00:38:39,067 --> 00:38:47,075 Berlusconi then said, “"Well, if I have to pay so much for a movie, 73 00:38:47,075 --> 00:38:50,245 it'd make more sense to co-produce them and own them.” 74 00:38:50,286 --> 00:38:55,667 So Caminito closed the first deal of that kind with Berlusconi, and I remember it was a great deal, 75 00:38:55,750 --> 00:38:58,294 everyone was happy about it. 76 00:38:58,670 --> 00:39:03,591 So everything changed once again. The movie had to be expensive and spectacular. 77 00:39:03,758 --> 00:39:10,473 It had to be an international production because they actually had money. 78 00:39:10,682 --> 00:39:19,691 So the script was changed once again. This time they went big. Caiano was happy about it, because 79 00:39:19,858 --> 00:39:25,655 when you tell a director he has a bigger budget than expected, he's happy. 80 00:39:26,322 --> 00:39:39,085 Then Kinski arrived and he was like a hurricane, sweeping everything away. He was at the height of his madness. 81 00:39:39,252 --> 00:39:45,425 There were moments when he was sweet and adorable, and then all of a sudden 82 00:39:45,842 --> 00:39:51,389 he would start to yell like a madman having a nervous breakdown. 83 00:39:51,639 --> 00:39:56,561 He always had wild mood swings, which were completely unexplainable. 84 00:39:56,853 --> 00:40:03,234 When he was in a good mood, he was the most adorable guy on earth. Nice and kind. 85 00:40:03,610 --> 00:40:11,784 But when he had his outbursts of anger, and it happened often, he was totally wild. 86 00:40:13,745 --> 00:40:22,962 Kinski was grateful to Alfieri because he'd once had to escape from Italy. It was on the set of a movie 87 00:40:22,962 --> 00:40:32,138 where he'd had a fight with an assistant director and he'd hurt him, so he was sentenced by a judge. 88 00:40:32,180 --> 00:40:36,809 That's the reason Kinski suddenly stopped making movies in Italy. 89 00:40:37,060 --> 00:40:41,898 Alfieri took care of his legal woes and he managed to get his sentence reversed, 90 00:40:42,148 --> 00:40:49,656 allowing him to go back to Italy without going to prison. 91 00:40:50,156 --> 00:40:58,623 Kinski was very grateful to Alfieri. They had a very good relationship, as he did with Caminito too. 92 00:40:58,831 --> 00:41:06,381 Here's the first thing Kinski said when he came to the office of Carlo Alberto Alfieri, in Piazza Verdi, in Rome, 93 00:41:06,422 --> 00:41:09,133 while Caiano was there. 94 00:41:09,384 --> 00:41:16,766 They showed him the bald cap he'd have to wear since he was supposed to be Nosferatu, 95 00:41:16,849 --> 00:41:22,271 big canines, long nails and so on. He said, 96 00:41:22,438 --> 00:41:26,943 "I had to go through hell to make NOSFERATU. 97 00:41:27,026 --> 00:41:29,529 There's no way I'm going through that process again.” 98 00:41:29,988 --> 00:41:33,491 We were all in shock, and he said, 99 00:41:33,616 --> 00:41:40,748 “I'll do this movie with my own long hair, my face, my teeth, my normal hands. I don't care about the previous movie.” 100 00:41:40,790 --> 00:41:50,174 This scared all of us because, first of all, all that footage shot with the double, 101 00:41:50,341 --> 00:41:54,387 bald, with the big canines, and long nails, 102 00:41:54,470 --> 00:41:58,391 killing people in Venice, would be unusable. 103 00:41:58,558 --> 00:42:04,480 So they actually discarded it, because the footage couldn't be used. 104 00:42:05,273 --> 00:42:10,194 And then we were perplexed, because if he looked like that in the film 105 00:42:10,278 --> 00:42:13,781 people wouldn't associate him with Nosferatu. 106 00:42:14,115 --> 00:42:15,658 Yes, something like that happened. 107 00:42:15,825 --> 00:42:22,540 Kinski was a bit bald on the back of the head anyway, but he didn't want to be shot from behind because of that. 108 00:42:22,623 --> 00:42:28,629 Kinski didn't want to use the image of Nosferatu by Herzog, which was very beautiful. 109 00:42:28,796 --> 00:42:33,176 He wanted something different, but the difference between him and Herzog 110 00:42:33,301 --> 00:42:38,681 is like the difference between Tanio Boccia and Ingmar Bergman. 111 00:42:39,182 --> 00:42:42,727 During pre-production Kinski was obsessed with one thing, 112 00:42:43,227 --> 00:42:48,816 and I remember this because it was totally crazy. 113 00:42:49,067 --> 00:42:57,075 Carlo Alberto Alfieri had an old Ferrari which was still in good condition, and Kinski wanted it as part of his payment. 114 00:42:57,075 --> 00:43:04,707 They somehow made a deal and he got this red Ferrari. 115 00:43:10,129 --> 00:43:18,262 So the movie started, and it started off with a bang. 116 00:43:19,013 --> 00:43:26,187 The first day we shot in Tor Caldara, which is a rocky place by the sea near Rome. 117 00:43:26,354 --> 00:43:36,364 We had to shoot the scene where they find Nosferatu's coffin after the shipwreck. 118 00:43:36,572 --> 00:43:39,075 We had some extras in that scene. 119 00:43:39,408 --> 00:43:47,416 We shot it. Caiano is very good, so it was shot on schedule. 120 00:43:47,792 --> 00:43:51,045 Kinski only had to be in the last two shots of this first day. 121 00:43:51,212 --> 00:43:56,717 I remember it was 5 PM and almost sunset. 122 00:43:56,884 --> 00:44:03,391 Kinski arrived in the afternoon. I set up a close-up of his face, but I could see that he was ignoring me. 123 00:44:03,599 --> 00:44:06,144 I said, “Action!” And he did more or less what he had to do. 124 00:44:06,310 --> 00:44:08,813 It was a silent close up. 125 00:44:09,856 --> 00:44:14,152 I said, “"Cut!” But he kept on making weird faces. “Hey, I said CUT!” 126 00:44:14,610 --> 00:44:18,364 Caiano told Kinski what he was supposed to do in the scene, and Kinski responded 127 00:44:19,073 --> 00:44:23,244 in a very impolite way and he threw his small mirror at him. 128 00:44:23,327 --> 00:44:28,082 He always had that mirror in his pocket to check his hair and make-up 129 00:44:28,583 --> 00:44:34,463 before every scene. He insulted him very badly, without any reason whatsoever. 130 00:44:34,589 --> 00:44:40,887 It was a very normal scene, nothing peculiar was happening. 131 00:44:41,053 --> 00:44:47,143 Caminito came up to me and said, “Please, he asked us not to say 'Cut' because he might do something after that.” 132 00:44:47,393 --> 00:44:51,189 “No way. When I say 'Cut' he has to stop. He has to do the things I ask him to do.” 133 00:44:51,439 --> 00:44:54,108 “But you know, it's a different situation...” 134 00:44:54,233 --> 00:44:58,654 “Yes, sure, whatever, I got it. Goodbye.” So I left and I sued him. And I won. 135 00:44:58,946 --> 00:45:04,952 The movie stopped. The movie stopped at the very first scene with Klaus Kinski. 136 00:45:05,369 --> 00:45:11,792 They kept on shooting the movie between bottles of champagne and snorts of cocaine, 137 00:45:11,918 --> 00:45:15,546 and they ended up with that unwatchable mess called NOSFERATU IN VENICE. 138 00:45:15,671 --> 00:45:21,802 The first day on the set, in order to welcome the crew, I brought a bottle of champagne. 139 00:45:22,011 --> 00:45:27,350 They told me, "We had to move Kinski's trailer so it's in the shade.” 140 00:45:27,850 --> 00:45:34,649 "The Spanish extras will arrive soon. And the director left the set.” 141 00:45:34,815 --> 00:45:37,610 They used a certain tone of voice. “He left?” 142 00:45:37,860 --> 00:45:42,531 “Yes, because Kinski slapped him.” 143 00:45:43,074 --> 00:45:47,161 Caiano touched his arm to instruct him where to go and Kinski said, “You don't touch me.” 144 00:45:47,245 --> 00:45:49,914 And he touched his arm like this. 145 00:45:50,248 --> 00:45:58,798 So I was with the whole crew, the Spanish dancers, and everyone ready to shoot. 146 00:45:59,006 --> 00:46:03,135 I went to Kinski thinking: “This is the last time I'll see him. This time I'll slap him.” 147 00:46:03,386 --> 00:46:10,476 When he saw me he was all happy and said, “This is great, we got rid of Caiano! You should be the director!” 148 00:46:10,601 --> 00:46:14,146 That night I shot the scenes, somehow thinking I would find another director the following day. 149 00:46:14,605 --> 00:46:20,069 But it was August 25th, and no one was available. Only one said yes, I think it was Giovanni Soldati, 150 00:46:20,152 --> 00:46:24,073 but he asked me to postpone the shoot for 3 weeks so that he could prepare. 151 00:46:24,198 --> 00:46:27,118 Three weeks later Kinski's contract would have ended, so that couldn't happen. 152 00:46:31,872 --> 00:46:35,209 My acting career, how did it start? 153 00:46:35,293 --> 00:46:40,673 Well, it started with Kinski. At that time I was already 18. 154 00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:45,886 I want to say this because many people have said that I was underage. 155 00:46:45,970 --> 00:46:55,021 No, I was already 18, and since I was “legal,” I was able to participate in a beauty contest 156 00:46:55,271 --> 00:47:00,943 called “A New Face For Cinema,” which was a side event of the Venice Film Festival. 157 00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:08,200 I won that contest and I was celebrating this success with my friends in a famous restaurant in Venice. 158 00:47:08,492 --> 00:47:16,334 By chance, Kinski was sitting at the next table because at that time he was shooting NOSFERATU IN VENICE. 159 00:47:16,417 --> 00:47:18,711 He was there with the crew and the director. 160 00:47:18,961 --> 00:47:26,052 I didn't even know who he was because I was just 18 and I didn't have that kind of cinematic knowledge. 161 00:47:26,177 --> 00:47:31,724 Back then I only knew Italian movies like CHRISTMAS HOLIDAYS, and those kind of movies. 162 00:47:31,807 --> 00:47:36,854 I didn't know important artists and actors. 163 00:47:37,063 --> 00:47:40,858 Anyway, long story short, I didn't know who he was. 164 00:47:40,983 --> 00:47:49,408 He had a peculiar face, though, and I was attracted to that kind of "mask” that was in front of me. 165 00:47:49,492 --> 00:47:57,750 I couldn't help looking at him because he was very peculiar, very strange. 166 00:47:58,167 --> 00:47:59,919 It was like he was wearing a mask. 167 00:48:00,002 --> 00:48:06,384 He was shooting NOSFERATU IN VENICE and he had long hair with a particular color. 168 00:48:06,509 --> 00:48:13,724 Well, I was very attracted by his figure, which was certainly very, very charismatic. 169 00:48:13,808 --> 00:48:18,020 The same thing with him, for different reasons, of course, 170 00:48:18,145 --> 00:48:22,566 so the owner of the restaurant - who was his friend - 171 00:48:23,192 --> 00:48:26,153 introduced me to him and everything started there. 172 00:48:26,362 --> 00:48:32,326 The following day he invited me to the set of NOSFERATU IN VENICE because he thought that a young girl like me, 173 00:48:32,410 --> 00:48:35,621 who had never been on a movie set before, would be happy to be there, 174 00:48:35,871 --> 00:48:39,125 and after that he invited me to dinner. 175 00:48:39,166 --> 00:48:45,673 Being on that set was a real epiphany, since I had never visited one before. 176 00:48:45,965 --> 00:48:51,095 For the first few months it was more like a friendship before he left for the States, 177 00:48:51,220 --> 00:48:55,641 where he lived, in San Francisco, and so we talked over the phone. 178 00:48:55,766 --> 00:49:00,229 Then, little by little, it became a real relationship which lasted 3 and a half years. 179 00:49:00,396 --> 00:49:06,777 My acting career began with him. I can say this honestly. 180 00:49:06,944 --> 00:49:15,286 It started that day in that Venetian restaurant when we met, and it was he who brought me into the world of cinema. 181 00:49:37,308 --> 00:49:45,274 While shooting this movie I met two actors who I already knew, and I was happy to see them again. 182 00:49:45,691 --> 00:49:54,742 Firstly Donald Pleasence, whom I'd met on the set of Argento's PHENOMENA. 183 00:49:55,951 --> 00:49:59,497 Then there was Christopher Plummer, who acted in my movie STARCRASH, 184 00:49:59,747 --> 00:50:02,708 so my relationship with him was even better. 185 00:50:02,917 --> 00:50:09,298 We reunited on this movie and we were happy about it. 186 00:50:09,798 --> 00:50:16,514 It was nice to have them there because the movie was utter chaos. 187 00:50:16,639 --> 00:50:24,730 Every time Kinski was walking to set we would hear him screaming from the canal, 188 00:50:24,813 --> 00:50:28,692 then from the stairs, and finally when he arrived on the set. 189 00:50:29,068 --> 00:50:37,701 There was always a lot of confusion. But the funny thing about Pleasence was that he couldn't care less. 190 00:50:38,244 --> 00:50:47,002 The set was a mess. Kinski argued with everybody from the still photographer to the camera guy, 191 00:50:47,127 --> 00:50:56,220 the cinematographer... But Pleasence was always sitting on the sofa reading a book, 192 00:50:56,387 --> 00:51:00,558 waiting to be called to shoot. He couldn't care less. 193 00:51:00,724 --> 00:51:02,768 “Donald, are you ready?” “"Ready!” 194 00:51:03,018 --> 00:51:07,481 He came to the set, he shot his scene, and then he went back to the sofa to read his book. 195 00:51:07,606 --> 00:51:15,364 He was completely indifferent to the chaos on the set. 196 00:51:15,614 --> 00:51:19,159 Plummer had a different attitude. 197 00:51:19,326 --> 00:51:22,746 At first he put a lot of effort into the movie since he's a huge professional. 198 00:51:22,871 --> 00:51:34,008 His first scenes were the ones of the duel against Kinski, when Plummer shoots 199 00:51:34,008 --> 00:51:38,637 and puts a hole in Kinski's stomach. That was a blue screen effect I did. 200 00:51:38,679 --> 00:51:41,307 I directly worked on that scene. 201 00:51:42,308 --> 00:51:49,064 The surreal thing was that when we did rehearsal for that scene, 202 00:51:49,982 --> 00:51:53,777 Plummer started saying his lines in front of Kinski. 203 00:51:54,236 --> 00:52:04,872 Kinski looked at him in an indifferent way because, as I said, he didn't want to rehearse. 204 00:52:05,247 --> 00:52:12,713 Without saying anything, he took his mirror from his pocket, the one he used every day to check his make-up, 205 00:52:12,963 --> 00:52:21,055 took a comb, and started combing his hair while Plummer was saying his lines in front of him. 206 00:52:22,556 --> 00:52:27,770 And then he answered him while he was still combing his hair, with the same indifferent look. 207 00:52:27,811 --> 00:52:32,941 Plummer was flabbergasted and then he burst into laughter. 208 00:52:33,317 --> 00:52:39,114 From that moment on he treated the set like a joke. He no longer cared. 209 00:52:39,490 --> 00:52:45,829 One day I asked him, "How is it to act with Kinski?” He said, 210 00:52:45,871 --> 00:52:49,750 “"Well, they're paying me so much money that I don't care." 211 00:52:49,917 --> 00:52:53,712 Talking about Christopher Plummer, I can quote Kinski. 212 00:52:53,796 --> 00:52:58,342 I asked him, “What do you think of Christopher Plummer? Is he a good actor?” 213 00:52:58,509 --> 00:53:01,136 Kinski said, “"He's a great actor, but he doesn't know it.” 214 00:53:01,261 --> 00:53:05,224 But Plummer was a great professional and great actor. 215 00:53:05,349 --> 00:53:09,812 There was a scene with Barbara De Rossi in which he raised hell. 216 00:53:10,104 --> 00:53:17,611 Barbara De Rossi was to be in her bed sleeping, and Kinski had to arrive at night and grab her. 217 00:53:17,903 --> 00:53:23,450 The scene was to just be close ups of the actors. 218 00:53:23,951 --> 00:53:32,501 I was there to record sound. 219 00:53:33,085 --> 00:53:40,175 The rest of the crew couldn't see the bodies of the actors because I was in front of them, 220 00:53:40,217 --> 00:53:43,679 and the camera was by my side. 221 00:53:43,971 --> 00:53:56,066 While we were shooting this scene, I saw him pull away the blanket and put his hands “in her nature.” 222 00:53:56,525 --> 00:53:59,069 Let's call it that. 223 00:54:00,612 --> 00:54:09,538 I was like, "What the hell is he doing?” Because what he was doing was off-screen. 224 00:54:10,539 --> 00:54:17,963 She didn't say anything, poor girl, she was petrified. 225 00:54:18,881 --> 00:54:24,011 When the director said, “Cut!” She ran away crying. 226 00:54:24,595 --> 00:54:30,309 Barbara De Rossi left the set crying and Caminito and Alfieri tried to calm her down. 227 00:54:30,851 --> 00:54:35,731 They finally agreed that Kinski was not allowed to touch her anymore. 228 00:54:35,773 --> 00:54:43,822 He couldn't do what he did earlier when they'd shot the scene. 229 00:54:43,989 --> 00:54:49,119 She was in bed and he had to caress her, and maybe he was a little inappropriate 230 00:54:49,161 --> 00:54:51,705 and she didn't like it, but nothing more than that happened. 231 00:54:51,789 --> 00:54:57,878 Since the others didn't see what happened, because my body was covering it, 232 00:54:58,170 --> 00:55:03,592 everyone asked, “What happened?” And I told them what I saw. 233 00:55:03,717 --> 00:55:08,931 So everyone went to Barbara in order to console her. 234 00:55:09,264 --> 00:55:16,438 A man, an actor who does something like that... You can call it what you like... 235 00:55:16,688 --> 00:55:22,277 He always had a passionate relationship with women. Sometimes he was aggressive, 236 00:55:22,402 --> 00:55:24,196 but he could also be nice and sweet. 237 00:55:24,488 --> 00:55:28,951 There were no problems with Barbara De Rossi. Everything went well. 238 00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:41,839 We sold it pretty well all over the world. 239 00:55:41,964 --> 00:55:44,883 I think the movie was released 3 years later. 240 00:55:45,133 --> 00:55:51,098 The relationship with Berlusconi was excellent in the beginning, 241 00:55:51,223 --> 00:55:53,559 but then it turned into a living hell because he didn't like the movie. 242 00:55:54,101 --> 00:56:04,903 While shooting the movie they were so thrilled that they signed a contract with Kinski 243 00:56:05,279 --> 00:56:11,827 to shoot his PAGANINI movie, then another contract to shoot a movie in America. 244 00:56:12,035 --> 00:56:22,170 They had big projects planned with Kinski, but everything turned into dust because of NOSFERATU IN VENICE 245 00:56:22,170 --> 00:56:31,138 and the beginning of the shoot of PAGANINI, when Kinski's madness was uncontrollable. 246 00:56:44,776 --> 00:56:48,113 Kinski said that he was the reincarnation of Paganini, 247 00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:51,033 because it was a movie he'd wanted to do for many years. 248 00:56:51,116 --> 00:56:53,327 He had that idea because one day he was in Paris 249 00:56:53,368 --> 00:56:59,750 and he saw a picture of Paganini in a shop and it caught his attention. 250 00:56:59,875 --> 00:57:03,378 From that moment on he started to study his life in detail because, 251 00:57:03,587 --> 00:57:09,092 I say it again, he was an incredible perfectionist in this way. 252 00:57:09,343 --> 00:57:14,389 And so he developed this movie for years, especially his character. 253 00:57:14,473 --> 00:57:17,059 He identified with Paganini. 254 00:57:17,309 --> 00:57:20,228 He said he was his reincarnation. The movie was to be called KINSKI PAGANINI, 255 00:57:20,228 --> 00:57:22,981 because he did a sort of transfer with him. 256 00:57:23,106 --> 00:57:27,611 Paganini too had quite a debauched personal life, 257 00:57:27,694 --> 00:57:32,616 and so, just like him, he was “genius and disorder,” 258 00:57:32,699 --> 00:57:38,997 and because of this they were one and the same. 259 00:57:39,081 --> 00:57:42,960 There are two kinds of scripts: the very technical ones and the very descriptive ones. 260 00:57:43,335 --> 00:57:53,261 When you read a very technical one you can “see” the movie, 261 00:57:53,303 --> 00:57:56,598 because you imagine the camera movements and everything. 262 00:57:56,974 --> 00:57:59,893 When they are descriptive it's like reading a story. 263 00:58:00,435 --> 00:58:02,354 This script was neither one nor the other. 264 00:58:02,437 --> 00:58:05,232 It wasn't technical. There were no descriptions like, 265 00:58:05,315 --> 00:58:10,445 “the camera goes here and there, then the editing will show a detail of an eye...” 266 00:58:10,654 --> 00:58:18,537 It was nothing like that. There were just sentences giving some impressions or ideas. 267 00:58:18,745 --> 00:58:21,498 It was like looking at a detail of an Impressionist painting. 268 00:58:21,748 --> 00:58:25,460 You can see the whole picture only by looking at it in its entirety. 269 00:58:25,585 --> 00:58:27,421 You can like it or not. 270 00:58:27,587 --> 00:58:32,259 But if you just look ata 5 cm x 5 cm bit, you only see some color blobs. 271 00:58:32,592 --> 00:58:38,932 What was written in the script, in my very humble opinion, was just color blobs, that's all. 272 00:58:39,182 --> 00:58:43,395 He loved Rome a lot, and he especially loved a villa on the Appia Antica street, 273 00:58:43,437 --> 00:58:46,314 which he rented every time he came to Rome. 274 00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:51,236 We lived in that villa when we were a couple. 275 00:58:51,403 --> 00:58:54,031 It was a peculiar villa, almost ghost-like. 276 00:58:54,281 --> 00:59:01,997 It was haunted by ghosts and they sat well with Kinski. It was a nice domestic partnership. 277 00:59:02,372 --> 00:59:08,462 He loved that place a lot and we lived there when he was preparing PAGANINI. 278 00:59:08,462 --> 00:59:13,925 It was very funny because he would dress like Paganini, even when he wasn't on set. 279 00:59:14,217 --> 00:59:20,223 He asked me to do the same. He wanted me to wear the 1800's period costumes, 280 00:59:20,348 --> 00:59:24,352 because I'd never worn them before and he wanted me to get used to them. 281 00:59:24,561 --> 00:59:30,650 It was a very precise and detailed method. 282 00:59:30,817 --> 00:59:38,617 He was dressed in black with his smoking jacket - or was it a waistcoat? 283 00:59:38,742 --> 00:59:45,749 I don't remember - with his black hair, and he wandered the villa with candles all around. It was striking. 284 00:59:45,957 --> 00:59:51,213 Kinski was left handed, though, and so he played the violin backwards. 285 00:59:51,421 --> 00:59:54,341 I don't know how to say it, I'm not an expert. 286 00:59:54,466 --> 00:59:59,679 Anyway, in the movie the violin was played by the great Salvatore Accardo, 287 00:59:59,846 --> 01:00:02,808 who used his hands on the instrument. 288 01:00:02,933 --> 01:00:06,269 When they had to edit the movie they had problems, 289 01:00:06,394 --> 01:00:09,064 because in one scene the violin was on the right and in another one it was on the left. 290 01:00:09,189 --> 01:00:15,070 In order to explain this he'd say, “"Damn! Paganini was diabolical, 291 01:00:15,112 --> 01:00:16,822 he could play with both hands!” 292 01:00:16,988 --> 01:00:19,074 Okay then, perfect, problem solved. 293 01:00:31,336 --> 01:00:35,966 That movie was a reflection of life for him. 294 01:00:36,133 --> 01:00:42,556 It was his redemption as a director, since he'd always hated his directors. 295 01:00:42,681 --> 01:00:48,353 He always had a difficult relationship with them because he didn't like being directed, 296 01:00:49,020 --> 01:00:51,148 so he had many conflicts. 297 01:00:51,189 --> 01:00:56,236 This movie was his payback, because he was the director 298 01:00:56,319 --> 01:00:58,488 and no one could tell him what to do. 299 01:00:58,530 --> 01:01:03,368 It was him who told us what to do, because it was his movie. 300 01:01:03,535 --> 01:01:07,706 It was him who brought the money into the movie, 301 01:01:07,873 --> 01:01:11,334 at least that's what he believed, and how he behaved. 302 01:01:11,626 --> 01:01:16,298 So he was the “owner” of these movies. 303 01:01:16,882 --> 01:01:22,095 And so everything he said, even the stupidest things, had to be respected. 304 01:01:22,137 --> 01:01:25,599 My first meeting with Kinski was when he ended up in jail. 305 01:01:25,974 --> 01:01:36,026 I started the job and they told me, “Tomorrow Kinski has to inspect the location at Villa Pamphili."” 306 01:01:36,735 --> 01:01:42,532 "The meeting is already scheduled, be there and see what happens.” 307 01:01:43,033 --> 01:01:45,785 I talked to the person who had given us permission to go there, 308 01:01:45,827 --> 01:01:48,246 and he talked to the office of Villa Pamphili. 309 01:01:48,330 --> 01:01:53,501 And they prepared a minivan to visit the garden. 310 01:01:54,294 --> 01:02:02,385 They provided it because, even in the 80s, it was absolutely forbidden to drive your own car there. 311 01:02:02,802 --> 01:02:09,809 Then I saw a Ferrari Testarossa coming from Gianicolo, 312 01:02:09,893 --> 01:02:12,270 heading full speed towards Porta San Pancrazio. 313 01:02:12,354 --> 01:02:14,439 It stopped in front of the entrance. 314 01:02:14,522 --> 01:02:19,444 The Ferrari had mirrored glass so I couldn't see inside. 315 01:02:19,611 --> 01:02:23,323 It was Klaus Kinski and Debora Caprioglio. 316 01:02:23,907 --> 01:02:27,911 He lowered the window and I saw him with his white hair. 317 01:02:28,203 --> 01:02:32,874 So I said, "Good morning, Mr. Kinski. I'm Stefano Spadoni, unit manager of the movie." 318 01:02:32,999 --> 01:02:38,129 "You can park your car here, the mini-van is ready, and we can take you to see the location.” 319 01:02:38,421 --> 01:02:46,888 Kinski said, "I won't go anywhere in a shitty mini-van. I'll go in my car.” 320 01:02:47,055 --> 01:02:51,893 He rolled up the window and took off towards Villa Pamphili at 100 km/h. 321 01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:57,482 I looked at the permits guy and said, "I haven't seen you today.” 322 01:02:57,565 --> 01:03:01,820 And he said, “I haven't seen you either. Goodbye.” 323 01:03:01,987 --> 01:03:04,990 Kinski was then arrested and taken to the police station. 324 01:03:05,282 --> 01:03:09,786 I came back to the production office and after a while we were told he was arrested 325 01:03:09,911 --> 01:03:13,290 for entering Villa Pamphili at 100 km/h in his Ferrari Testarossa. 326 01:03:13,456 --> 01:03:21,214 Altovito and Caminito asked me what happened and I told them. 327 01:03:21,298 --> 01:03:26,886 Their faces turned pale because they started to realize who they were dealing with. 328 01:03:27,262 --> 01:03:38,023 I remember a scene with the chariot and the four horses. They had to turn in a small square. 329 01:03:38,189 --> 01:03:43,611 He said, “"Shoot! Shoot!” And then, of course, we told him, 330 01:03:43,695 --> 01:03:49,367 “This is not a car, it has no steering wheel! Four horses can't turn here!” 331 01:03:49,868 --> 01:03:55,457 And so they had to remove two horses in order to shoot that scene. 332 01:03:56,082 --> 01:04:01,087 The whole movie was shot like this. It was like a bet. 333 01:04:01,504 --> 01:04:05,258 On the set Kinski had a very protective attitude towards me because it was my first time on set. 334 01:04:05,467 --> 01:04:13,475 So I probably had a different perspective than that of a normal movie set. 335 01:04:13,683 --> 01:04:21,608 He was very demanding with me as well, and he didn't treat me differently. 336 01:04:30,325 --> 01:04:38,541 When it was released I thought that PAGANINI was a masterpiece. 337 01:04:38,792 --> 01:04:44,297 The film that would shock the international movie business. 338 01:04:44,547 --> 01:04:54,516 Years later I consider it a very difficult movie, not least from the point of view of its making. 339 01:04:54,682 --> 01:05:01,356 It's almost a visionary movie, certainly not a traditional movie, but it was very particular. 340 01:05:01,523 --> 01:05:06,986 We arrived at the Cannes Festival out of competition, 341 01:05:07,153 --> 01:05:11,408 because the movie was rejected by the official selection and Kinski was angry about that. 342 01:05:11,449 --> 01:05:17,205 The movie was screened in a different section of the festival. 343 01:05:17,372 --> 01:05:22,127 We arrived in Cannes and he called a press conference, 344 01:05:22,127 --> 01:05:26,673 in which he said the worst things about the organizers of the festival, 345 01:05:26,673 --> 01:05:30,343 especially about the ones who did not select his movie. 346 01:05:31,511 --> 01:05:36,516 A very important and well-known journalist told him that his movie was bad. 347 01:05:36,683 --> 01:05:42,772 Of course she did it in a provocative way, but Kinski lost it, 348 01:05:42,772 --> 01:05:51,990 and he started insulting her, and throwing things at her. 349 01:05:52,073 --> 01:05:59,789 The photographers were incredibly happy about it, because I remember 350 01:05:59,831 --> 01:06:07,088 that they followed us across the Croisette and we almost ended up in the water. 351 01:06:07,130 --> 01:06:12,010 Everyone talked about it. I didn't realize anything because I was 19, I was having fun. 352 01:06:12,093 --> 01:06:17,140 I felt like laughing. I wasn't aware of the media buzz. 353 01:06:17,223 --> 01:06:22,061 He was very good at that, he was a communicator. It was natural for him. 354 01:06:22,687 --> 01:06:27,734 Anyway, this press conference created a lot of hype. There are pictures and videos. 355 01:06:27,775 --> 01:06:32,572 It was very funny. Well, it's funny to talk about now, but maybe back then it wasn't. 356 01:06:39,746 --> 01:06:43,082 The “private” Kinski wasn't very different from the “public” one. 357 01:06:43,333 --> 01:06:49,297 He acted only when he was shooting movies, and I think he brought a lot 358 01:06:49,422 --> 01:06:55,178 of his personality to the characters he played, especially from a physical point of view because, 359 01:06:55,220 --> 01:06:59,849 as I said before, he wore a “mask” and he could be very beautiful or very ugly, 360 01:06:59,933 --> 01:07:02,393 depending on what character he was playing. 361 01:07:02,477 --> 01:07:05,396 When he did NOSFERATU IN VENICE he was Nosferatu, 362 01:07:05,522 --> 01:07:09,025 in his face, it was the same thing in the previous NOSFERATU movie, 363 01:07:09,275 --> 01:07:14,948 which was more successful and which is still popular today. 364 01:07:15,073 --> 01:07:19,035 But he could be very beautiful as well, as he was in many movies he did, 365 01:07:19,452 --> 01:07:24,499 not only with Herzog but, for example, 'IMPORTANCE D'AIMER. 366 01:07:24,707 --> 01:07:30,630 He had a completely plastic face. 367 01:07:30,964 --> 01:07:34,592 In his private life he was exactly how people saw him in public. 368 01:07:34,634 --> 01:07:39,138 He was a very generous man, very loving, very jealous, even too much. 369 01:07:39,430 --> 01:07:49,816 He alternated moments of extreme sweetness and calm with moments of rage. 370 01:07:50,024 --> 01:08:00,910 When he saw something he didn't like, like someone cutting him off in a car, 371 01:08:00,994 --> 01:08:04,122 he became very, very irascible. 372 01:08:04,247 --> 01:08:07,875 And he wasn't afraid of anything, he never feared consequences. 373 01:08:08,251 --> 01:08:16,342 In his private life, in his relationship with me, he was very sweet because he wasn't irascible. 374 01:08:16,593 --> 01:08:20,805 You would think that a man like him, with such a peculiar nature, might have been different, 375 01:08:21,014 --> 01:08:27,395 but he always had the greatest respect for our relationship, and he was also very protective. 376 01:08:27,562 --> 01:08:34,068 Probably he was way too jealous, and that was the reason why our relationship ended. 377 01:08:34,235 --> 01:08:41,743 His jealousy was obsessive and made our relationship end. And other reasons too, of course. 378 01:08:41,868 --> 01:08:47,915 Sometimes relationships end because people want new experiences in life. 379 01:08:48,333 --> 01:08:51,544 I was very young, he wasn't, and so... 380 01:08:52,003 --> 01:08:57,634 Anyway, in his private life he could be very funny as well, because his outbursts of anger 381 01:08:57,759 --> 01:09:04,599 only lasted 5 minutes and everyone knows that, even the people around him, not only me, his girlfriend. 382 01:09:04,724 --> 01:09:10,355 Even his collaborators knew that. Even his maid Clara, who became my maid as well, 383 01:09:10,438 --> 01:09:17,111 she knew that they lasted 5 or 10 minutes and then they ended. But while they lasted they were tough. 384 01:09:17,403 --> 01:09:29,248 He didn't have many friends. He had some friends in Paris, but they were in the movie business as well. 385 01:09:29,749 --> 01:09:33,920 Yeah, his friends were all more or less from the movie business. 386 01:09:34,045 --> 01:09:41,552 Kinski didn't like mankind much, he often talked shit about it. 387 01:09:41,886 --> 01:09:47,600 After many years I think that he was absolutely right in some ways, but he wasn't a social person. 388 01:09:47,809 --> 01:09:59,737 When he worked he loved to stay with people, but he didn't have many friends. 389 01:10:00,154 --> 01:10:08,287 He had a couple in Paris, but he had hardly any friends in the US, if I remember correctly. 390 01:10:12,875 --> 01:10:18,256 The place he loved most was certainly his chalet in Lagunitas, California. 391 01:10:18,339 --> 01:10:21,676 It was a fantastic place, completely isolated, in the middle of the woods. 392 01:10:22,301 --> 01:10:28,433 The first time I went there I was like, "Mamma mia!” Because getting there was quite a trip. 393 01:10:28,599 --> 01:10:36,274 You could only get there by jeep because the road was so narrow and steep. 394 01:10:36,357 --> 01:10:42,655 You had to pray you arrived home safe and sound. 395 01:16:12,151 --> 01:16:26,457 It was the place he loved most and felt the most alive, 396 01:16:26,707 --> 01:16:38,677 because he also had a close relationship with nature. 397 01:16:38,928 --> 01:16:45,476 This chalet was in the middle of the woods, and they found him dead there. 398 01:16:45,518 --> 01:16:48,395 At least I think, because I lost all contact with him.