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Good evening. Tonight, the football world
was stunned by the shock news

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that after only seven weeks in the job,
Brian Clough has been sacked

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as manager of Leeds United.

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It's been claimed that the footballers

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passed a vote of no confidence
in him and certainly today,

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the board took the shock decision
that Clough must go.

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We're talking not only
to Brian Clough himself,

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but also to the man that he succeeded

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as manager of Britain's most successful
football team,

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to Don Revie, the England manager,
but Brian Clough first of all.

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Brian, what's your reaction to being booted
out in this fashion?

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Oh, it's a very sad reaction.

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Obviously, to be sacked
as you profoundly put it,

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and the only way you could put it,
it's a very sad one.

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It's a very sad one for me personally,

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and I also believe a very sad one
from Leeds Football Club's angle

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and from the Leeds city.

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<i>You see Brian, when you talk
about coming to take the Leeds job</i>

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and you had all these things
and all these worries

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about stepping in my shoes
and one thing and another.

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- Which I had.
- Yes, you had.

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But why, why did you come
from Brighton to Leeds to take it over

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when you'd criticised them so much and
said, "We should be in the second division

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"for this and we should do this
and we should do that."

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Why did you take the job?

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Well, because I thought it was the best
job in the country.

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Of course it was the
best job in the country.

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I was taking over the league champions.

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Yeah, you were taking over
the league champions.

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You were taking over the best bunch
of players that you've ever seen...

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Well, I didn't know about the players, Don.

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<i>You didn't know?</i>

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<i>'Cause I, I didn't know them
intimate like you do.</i>

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But I know you were the league champions
and I was taking over the league champions.

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I wanted to have a crack
at the European Cup this year.

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- Yes.
- I think it was near and dear

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- to your heart also.
- Yeah, yes.

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Erm... I wanted to win it.

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I wanted to do something you hadn't done.

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<i>- I believe there's just a fraction, Don...
- Well...</i>

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...a fraction. I don't know this
'cause I've not spoken to you,

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but I believe it's a fraction
whether you took the England job

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or had another shot at the European Cup.

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That is totally true, 'cause I was
so involved with the players

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- and everybody at Elland Road.
- Good lad.

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Now I wanted to do that,

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and I want to do it better than you.

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What's gonna happen now to Brian Clough?

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Well, a million things are gonna
happen to Brian Clough.

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Well, aren't you gonna be in a very
difficult situation?

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'Cause after the argument with Derby,
you left Brighton under a cloud,

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and now this with Leeds,

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who's gonna touch you with
a barge pole, as it were?

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<i>We were all wondering
who the next manager was gonna be</i>

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and it turned out it was, er, Mr Clough.

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I've known a few days, Trevor.

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Er, and it's taken a few days
to sort the problems out

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and for me to decide whether I wanted
to come back into football.

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We had one thing in common,
of course, we both want success.

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The committee wants success and I want
success for Nottingham Forest.

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<i>Let's pause
for a moment and look</i>

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<i>at some of Nottingham's early history.</i>

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<i>Nottingham's association with Robin Hood,</i>

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<i>the lace trade,
Nottingham Castle, the Major Oak,</i>

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<i>DH Lawrence, Raleigh Industries...</i>

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<i>Nottingham is, in fact, ideally situated.</i>

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<i>The M1 Motorway passes
the city directly to the west</i>

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<i>and the East Midlands Airport is only
15 miles away from the city.</i>

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<i>Nottingham is fortunate in having three,
locally based breweries,</i>

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<i>carefully selected shops,
water clock and fountains.</i>

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<i>Nottingham Forest Football Club,
which plays at the City Ground,</i>

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<i>was established in 1865 and is
the third oldest football league club.</i>

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<i>Good morning, it's 7 o'clock.</i>

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<i>This is morning report
from BBC Radio, Nottingham...</i>

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It was a mid-table, second division team.

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<i>It was my local club.
My parents didn't want me to leave home,</i>

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so they wanted me to get hitched up with
a local club and I came down to Forest.

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It was in turmoil at the
time, I must admit.

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<i>We must have had about
three or four managers in that period.</i>

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<i>And we were, you know,
languishing in the, what was called</i>

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<i>the second division at that time,
Championship as it's known now.</i>

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And no real sign as if we're
actually going to get back up again.

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<i>Clough was the man.
They'd seen what he'd done</i>

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<i>down the road at Derby, you know,
performed miracles,</i>

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<i>so they were just wondering whether he
could repeat that at Nottingham Forest.</i>

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I heard all the way in America,

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I heard all the way in Indonesia
that this fella talks too much.

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They say he's another Muhammad Ali.
There's just one Muhammad Ali.

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And I want you to know, whoever you are,
you're not a fighter

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and you don't take my job. I'm the talker,
now Clough, I've had enough. Stop it.

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Well are you gonna stop it?

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No, I want to fight him.

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We would have been in complete awe
of him coming into that dressing room.

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I know celebrity status is easily
obtained these days, but he was,

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<i>he was a major celebrity. He was on</i>
Parkinson <i>nearly every other week.</i>

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To some he's an arrogant loudmouth
who ought to be put in his place.

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<i>To other's he someone
who simply speaks his mind</i>

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and makes more sense
than the rest of them put together.

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But whatever people say about him, no
one's ever yet accused him of being dull.

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Ladies and gentlemen, Brian Clough.

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You took 10,000 fans away
from Forest when you took over at Derby.

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Can you bring them back again to Forest?

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Well, I would hope to get a few back.

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Well, it changed overnight the moment
Brian actually came to the club.

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<i>Obviously,
when Clough's got the job</i>

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<i>and people look at him and say, "Well what
can he do? Who's he gonna bring in?"</i>

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<i>But, you know, Ian Bowyer,
Tony Woodcock, Martin O'Neill,</i>

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<i>John Robertson, Viv Anderson.</i>

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<i>Five players there that are gonna go on to
win European Cups, that are already there.</i>

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...<i>fighting to get it back.
Bowyer!</i>

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<i>And it's three.
Remarkable goal...</i>

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<i>They've got ability,</i>

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<i>but they're not quite sure
how to bring it out in themselves.</i>

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<i>Oh, I'll never forget
the first time I ever seen him.</i>

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It was in the dressing room. It was
a sort of square dressing room with, er,

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one door there and one door
further on, on the outside,

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and I was sitting facing both doors.

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The door burst open, he walked in,
"I'm the new manager of Nottingham Forest."

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<i>It was like
a whirlwind coming in.</i>

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And he looked around and just as he was
about to leave, and he said, er,

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"I'll be putting a squad up.
Is young O'Neill here?"

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And I was, "Yeah, I'm here."
He said, er, "You're coming with us, son."

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He was just straight with people.
Er, he expected you to be straight back.

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I said, "I wanna play centre forward."

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He said, "What are you gonna do there?"

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I said, "I'm gonna score goals."
He says, "Good answer, young man."

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Is there any money
available here at Forest for new players?

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I've not gone into that, er, into that
aspect of the club with the chairman.

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I'm certain that, you know,
if I can produce a player

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to the committee that they think
will do Forest some good,

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I'm certain there'll be money available,
but I haven't discussed it with them.

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I must admit, we wouldn't have been too
surprised to find that, er,

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that John O'Hare and John McGovern
would be coming.

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<i>I met Brian Clough at
the Post House at Sandy Acre</i>

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and the negotiations
over the contract lasted 10 seconds.

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<i>When he came in, Nottingham Forest,
you know, I'd known him for so long,</i>

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he obviously thought
I had something as a player.

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<i>So it really didn't take
that much thinking about.</i>

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It could have been any club, but I'm
working for the man himself, so,

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<i>suited me down to the ground.</i>

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<i>A journalist from the
northeast who was a friend of his</i>

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rang him and said, "I hear you're
looking for a left back,

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<i>"do you know Frank Clark had a free?"</i>

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<i>"Where are you
playing now?" he said.</i>

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"Man City Reserves." I said. "Well you'll
be better playing in my first team.

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"I'll meet outside a league
town football ground."

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So he said, "I'll be there, be
there in an hour." Put the phone down.

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<i>So, I arranged meet him
at a Scotch Corner hotel.</i>

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My car broke down on the way.

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So it's probably the only time
I was ever late to meet Brian,

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but fortunately he waited,
and we, er, we managed to get it sorted.

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He signed me for 29,000,
'cause he wouldn't pay 30.

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He said, "You should be paying me."

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<i>"To get away from Leeds United."</i>

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<i>There has been talk
of Peter Taylor leaving Brighton</i>

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and joining you here at Forest.
Is this pure speculation?

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<i>When Peter Taylor joined him, that's
when things really took off at Forest.</i>

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<i>Clough had missed him for about
the 18 months that he'd been there.</i>

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He was back. He'd got his spark back. He
was rejuvenated. He was ready to go again.

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There was almost like
a Renaissance with him.

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<i>He really needed Peter Taylor.</i>

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On their own, maybe good
at what they do, but, you know,

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<i>unbeatable when they're together.</i>

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You know, there was good cop and bad cop.

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You never know which one's
gonna be which one.

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Peter took me to task really and, er, if it
hadn't been for him I think at that stage,

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<i>then I don't know if I'd
ever come through it.</i>

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When I first went there, John was
a journeyman midfield player going nowhere.

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<i>I thought his attitude was terrible.</i>

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I was a bit of a, erm, as Brian Clough
would probably call me, "A wastrel".

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I don't think I was that bad but...

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<i>You know I said I'm a sulker.</i>

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<i>But I may well have learned
that from John in the first place.</i>

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<i>Well, he was a moaner.
A real moaner.</i>

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They really saw in John's attitude,
I think they frightened him really.

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I took notice of it. When Pete said
to me, "But we think you can play."

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<i>Turns... Oh, it's great!
And a superb goal! John Robertson!</i>

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<i>What a fantastic goal by John Robertson!</i>

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<i>Three-two, Nottingham Forest.
Seventeen minutes into the second half.</i>

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<i>Oh, you won't see much better than that.</i>

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<i>What is it?</i>

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<i>I believe it's just
the selection and buying of good players</i>

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and the ability to manage them and to
put them together etcetera, etcetera.

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I think that's what football's
about throughout the world.

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It was a building process that only really
took off when Peter Taylor got there,

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<i>because he knew exactly who to sign that
would improve the squad we already had.</i>

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<i>"You know that, that fella Clough at
Nottingham Forest,</i>

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"he, wants you go up there." I said, "Why?

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"What division are they in?"

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I can remember Larry coming in.

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Well, Larry's my mate still,

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<i>but he was he, he was
a big time Charlie lad.</i>

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<i>He'd been at Liverpool,
so he'd been a big player.</i>

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Been around the scene
and this was big for us.

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<i>When I was signing I was still hesitant.
He said, "Wait a minute," he said,</i>

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"Have you got all your
equipment in your house?

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"Have you like washing machines, dryers,
the lot?" I said, "As it happens,

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"My wife's washing machine has broken."

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"Leave that to me son."

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Two blokes turn up in overalls
carrying a washing machine.

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I thought, "Oh, good on him."

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<i>Anyway, the following morning,
I went up to Nottingham training</i>

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and these two lovely women,
the laundry women...

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"Are you that Larry Lloyd?"
I went "Yeah." They said,

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"You've nicked our washing machine!"

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<i>I remember we played away
at Bolton in the second division</i>

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<i>and we were doing okay</i>

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and sat round a table with
John Robertson, Larry and somebody else...

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And I remember saying, "Larry so what
do you think then? What do you think?"

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They were hanging on to every word.

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And I could remember Larry
drawing on this cigar and saying...

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"Not a bad little club
you've got here, boys."

214
00:12:05,577 --> 00:12:08,854
So me, Martin and Tony
looked at each other and thought, "Mmm...

215
00:12:08,977 --> 00:12:11,014
"Where the hell has he come?"

216
00:12:11,177 --> 00:12:14,170
I'd have to say that Lloyd
was the first major signing

217
00:12:14,337 --> 00:12:17,648
and, erm, and he would
probably agree with that.

218
00:12:19,137 --> 00:12:21,174
Things were starting to change and, er,

219
00:12:21,217 --> 00:12:24,369
<i>there'd been quite a few players
who have left the club now.</i>

220
00:12:24,497 --> 00:12:26,648
<i>And then these great names were coming in</i>

221
00:12:26,697 --> 00:12:28,654
<i>so you obviously wanted to be a part of it.</i>

222
00:12:29,017 --> 00:12:34,854
It did change from being, "Not a bad
little club" to being, you know, er,

223
00:12:34,897 --> 00:12:36,092
a good club.

224
00:12:50,657 --> 00:12:52,853
<i>Right with Roy
and then we got better.</i>

225
00:12:53,177 --> 00:12:55,692
<i>These players are improving as well.
We're getting better.</i>

226
00:12:55,777 --> 00:12:59,009
We signed somebody
else with a bit of quality, we get better.

227
00:13:05,497 --> 00:13:09,127
<i>He used to always have this,
this mantra of three things, you work hard</i>

228
00:13:09,897 --> 00:13:12,810
<i>and if you work hard
you have a chance of playing well.</i>

229
00:13:12,937 --> 00:13:17,250
If you play well then you'll enjoy it.
And that was it.

230
00:13:28,697 --> 00:13:32,134
<i>It was just something
that clicked and moved together and, er,</i>

231
00:13:32,777 --> 00:13:34,894
<i>yeah we must have had some sort of talent</i>

232
00:13:34,977 --> 00:13:38,095
and we must have had some sort of
desire to actually make it to the top.

233
00:13:40,297 --> 00:13:43,654
<i>Our last match today brings together
Nottingham Forest being taken, well,</i>

234
00:13:43,777 --> 00:13:47,771
forward now, by that well known combination
of Brian Clough and Peter Taylor.

235
00:13:48,377 --> 00:13:52,007
<i>And it's there!
A fine goal by Chapman.</i>

236
00:13:52,257 --> 00:13:55,887
We've got into a promotion place,
but there's still a game left to play.

237
00:13:56,177 --> 00:13:57,896
We were on the plane to Majorca again.

238
00:13:58,417 --> 00:14:01,216
<i>We were halfway to Spain,
and I'd gone on this trip</i>

239
00:14:01,377 --> 00:14:03,528
because Sammy Chapman didn't like flying.

240
00:14:05,057 --> 00:14:07,652
And I can remember the,
the captain or the pilot saying...

241
00:14:07,737 --> 00:14:10,411
"We've got Nottingham Forest in
and hopefully the results are gonna go well

242
00:14:10,497 --> 00:14:12,728
<i>"for them tonight and hopefully
they'll be promoted."</i>

243
00:14:12,817 --> 00:14:15,969
<i>I think Wolves had to go
to Bolton and win the match.</i>

244
00:14:16,057 --> 00:14:17,491
<i>It's got Hibbett through...</i>

245
00:14:17,577 --> 00:14:21,014
The pilot announced it,
while we were in the air.

246
00:14:21,417 --> 00:14:23,409
And Wolves won and we got promoted.

247
00:14:23,537 --> 00:14:26,575
That means all the guys on the plane

248
00:14:26,657 --> 00:14:29,297
they have now been
promoted to, erm, the first division.

249
00:14:29,897 --> 00:14:33,527
<i>You can imagine you know,
the euphoria that went on that plane.</i>

250
00:14:34,377 --> 00:14:37,017
<i>I mean, it wasn't turbulence. It was us
jumping around on the plane</i>

251
00:14:37,097 --> 00:14:38,816
<i>I think, you know, celebrating that fact.</i>

252
00:14:38,937 --> 00:14:43,489
It doesn't matter which way you get there.
Get there any way you can.

253
00:14:43,817 --> 00:14:46,093
It was an absolutely fantastic time.

254
00:14:58,177 --> 00:14:59,736
They sneaked in really.

255
00:14:59,817 --> 00:15:03,367
But once that had happened
then we prepared for the first division.

256
00:15:03,657 --> 00:15:06,889
<i>And who did he sign, but probably the
best goalie in the world, Peter Shilton,</i>

257
00:15:06,977 --> 00:15:09,537
<i>a hooligan from Birmingham
called Kenny Burns</i>

258
00:15:09,777 --> 00:15:13,088
and a little, a little midfield
nasty man called Archie Gemmill.

259
00:15:13,617 --> 00:15:17,372
<i>Gemmill...
Good play by Gemmill. And again!</i>

260
00:15:19,177 --> 00:15:20,406
<i>Three-one!</i>

261
00:15:23,097 --> 00:15:27,728
<i>A brilliant individual goal
by this hard little professional.</i>

262
00:15:28,977 --> 00:15:31,208
<i>The miracle is beginning to happen.</i>

263
00:15:31,857 --> 00:15:35,737
<i>He said, "Well, you'll
be winning another title.</i>

264
00:15:36,137 --> 00:15:39,574
"You'll be winning a cup."
Blah, blah, blah.

265
00:15:39,817 --> 00:15:43,128
<i>You add quality to quality
that's already there, you can't fail.</i>

266
00:15:43,697 --> 00:15:47,293
And you're always welcoming players of
quality into your squad.

267
00:15:49,377 --> 00:15:52,814
He didn't have to sell Nottingham Forest,
you know, it was him.

268
00:15:55,177 --> 00:15:57,976
I was on holiday in Menorca with, er,

269
00:15:59,977 --> 00:16:01,013
first wife.

270
00:16:01,657 --> 00:16:04,297
<i>He says, "Well, give us a call
when you get back in to England."</i>

271
00:16:04,377 --> 00:16:06,175
<i>So, I gave him a call right away,</i>

272
00:16:06,257 --> 00:16:09,409
<i>saying we met up and he signed me, really.</i>

273
00:16:09,497 --> 00:16:11,250
<i>As he's actually
walked in the dressing room</i>

274
00:16:11,337 --> 00:16:13,010
<i>before he's been introduced to the players.</i>

275
00:16:13,097 --> 00:16:15,009
I think Ian Bowyer went,
"Don't hit me, Kenny!"

276
00:16:16,937 --> 00:16:22,649
<i>Oh, that was a bad one
by Burns and the sparks starts to fly.</i>

277
00:16:22,937 --> 00:16:26,897
He wasn't frightened of a player's
reputation. Burnsy came with an iffy rep...

278
00:16:27,057 --> 00:16:30,255
<i>I did. But that didn't worry him.</i>

279
00:16:30,337 --> 00:16:34,536
He knew that he could get us playing
how he wanted us to play.

280
00:16:34,977 --> 00:16:37,617
Having got an opinion from Peter Taylor

281
00:16:37,697 --> 00:16:42,055
<i>that the lad could play football,
then it was up to me to do my job.</i>

282
00:16:42,137 --> 00:16:45,096
<i>Kenny had played mainly
as a striker in Birmingham</i>

283
00:16:45,177 --> 00:16:46,497
<i>and he had a terrible reputation</i>

284
00:16:46,977 --> 00:16:49,367
as being a bit of a thug
and a difficult player to handle.

285
00:16:51,497 --> 00:16:54,376
<i>How much does he want
to be seen as a respectable guy</i>

286
00:16:54,457 --> 00:16:56,130
in everybody's eyes do you think?

287
00:16:56,217 --> 00:16:57,617
As much as you do, Brian.

288
00:16:57,697 --> 00:17:00,610
<i>You know, when he signed
for Forest, I think we were all thinking,</i>

289
00:17:00,697 --> 00:17:03,053
"Well who's gonna lose their place
up front?" You know. "Who, who..."

290
00:17:03,137 --> 00:17:05,891
We obviously thought, "We've signed
another striker."

291
00:17:07,497 --> 00:17:11,616
Jimmy Gordon, who's the trainer then,
he said, "Right, this lot put the bibs on."

292
00:17:11,737 --> 00:17:17,210
He says, "Middleton, Anderson,
Barrett, McGovern, Lloyd, Burns,

293
00:17:17,537 --> 00:17:20,371
"O'Neill, Bowyer, Withe,
Woodcock, Robertson."

294
00:17:20,617 --> 00:17:23,007
Points the finger at Burnsy. Said, "You,

295
00:17:23,177 --> 00:17:25,248
"you're gonna play
at the back next to the big head."

296
00:17:26,057 --> 00:17:27,127
Said, "Wow."

297
00:17:27,697 --> 00:17:29,495
I thought by big head he meant me.

298
00:17:29,577 --> 00:17:33,617
Turned out that then I believe, I know
it's blowing our own trumpet here,

299
00:17:33,737 --> 00:17:36,696
<i>but I believe Kenny Burns
and myself were as effective as</i>

300
00:17:36,897 --> 00:17:41,608
<i>any central defensive partnership
in the land and better than most.</i>

301
00:17:42,977 --> 00:17:46,175
Shilts was the best goalkeeper
I ever played with

302
00:17:46,297 --> 00:17:49,051
<i>and I think at the time he was probably
the best goalkeeper in the world.</i>

303
00:17:49,137 --> 00:17:52,528
<i>Went down to City Ground
at Nottingham to discuss terms.</i>

304
00:17:52,937 --> 00:17:57,011
<i>I had a couple of, what I call financial
advisors, agents they are these days.</i>

305
00:17:57,297 --> 00:18:00,973
<i>And as they opened the door, went to
walk in with their briefcases etcetera,</i>

306
00:18:01,497 --> 00:18:04,934
they went sprawling across the room.
Papers flying everywhere

307
00:18:05,017 --> 00:18:07,134
<i>and I looked down and Clough
is sat on the floor</i>

308
00:18:07,217 --> 00:18:09,527
tripping them up with his squash racket.

309
00:18:09,697 --> 00:18:12,610
<i>I thought, "These negotiations aren't
gonna go very well."</i>

310
00:18:12,697 --> 00:18:16,008
<i>Him and Peter were always,
always thinking and plotting,</i>

311
00:18:16,137 --> 00:18:19,767
"How can we gain an edge somewhere?
How can we get a bit more from him.

312
00:18:19,857 --> 00:18:20,973
<i>"How can we do this?"</i>

313
00:18:21,137 --> 00:18:24,369
He was fantastic at man management.

314
00:18:25,257 --> 00:18:27,692
<i>He knew that I craved praise.</i>

315
00:18:28,017 --> 00:18:31,010
So he knew that I would strive
and I would play better, obviously,

316
00:18:31,097 --> 00:18:33,009
to get that pat on the back.

317
00:18:33,297 --> 00:18:36,017
One of Cloughy's favourites,
when you're doing particularly well,

318
00:18:36,097 --> 00:18:39,169
it was like that sign.
You know, he used to go.

319
00:18:39,617 --> 00:18:43,816
Well, it all started about the third to
fourth game in pre-season training.

320
00:18:44,577 --> 00:18:48,969
<i>Tackles started flying in.
And the other lad going down the touchline</i>

321
00:18:49,417 --> 00:18:53,047
and I went over and I've hit him.
Right through the fence he went.

322
00:18:53,617 --> 00:18:56,496
Brian Clough shouted, "Kenneth!"

323
00:18:57,017 --> 00:18:59,134
It was only him and my mum
that used to call me Kenneth.

324
00:18:59,377 --> 00:19:02,768
And he just turned round, and I thought,
"Oh, no," and he went...

325
00:19:04,257 --> 00:19:06,852
<i>And that's, that's annoyed
big Larry to this day.</i>

326
00:19:06,937 --> 00:19:11,409
<i>Never ever got one of those
and it really says, "You're his favourite."</i>

327
00:19:12,017 --> 00:19:14,486
Can anyone love Burnsy? But there you go.

328
00:19:14,577 --> 00:19:16,614
You know Cloughy loved him. "Kenneth."

329
00:19:16,777 --> 00:19:18,848
Kenneth is no different from anybody else.

330
00:19:19,177 --> 00:19:20,213
"Kenneth!"

331
00:19:21,977 --> 00:19:24,537
"Give me that sign, will you?"
But he never did.

332
00:19:25,257 --> 00:19:27,453
<i>...and a shot here from Lloyd!</i>

333
00:19:28,577 --> 00:19:32,730
<i>Players thrived
at what he was doing,</i>

334
00:19:32,857 --> 00:19:36,612
<i>because it was always
that competitive edge.</i>

335
00:19:36,737 --> 00:19:38,774
<i>It was never mundane.</i>

336
00:19:39,417 --> 00:19:41,807
<i>How would you describe
the gift that you have got</i>

337
00:19:41,897 --> 00:19:45,049
<i>of getting players
to perform above themselves?</i>

338
00:19:45,417 --> 00:19:51,095
Erm, gift's a very, very strong word
and I don't think that I get them

339
00:19:51,177 --> 00:19:54,807
to perform above themselves.
I think we have 15 talented players.

340
00:19:54,977 --> 00:19:57,572
He was the most charismatic man
I've ever met in my life.

341
00:19:58,257 --> 00:20:02,410
<i>You knew if he walked in a room, you knew
he was there, even if you didn't see him,</i>

342
00:20:02,497 --> 00:20:04,693
<i>you knew somebody special
had walked in there.</i>

343
00:20:04,857 --> 00:20:08,009
You know how many letters
I've had in four days from MP's? Six.

344
00:20:09,017 --> 00:20:10,451
You know what they want?

345
00:20:10,657 --> 00:20:12,455
They want something.

346
00:20:12,537 --> 00:20:15,052
They don't wanna give anything,
they just want something.

347
00:20:15,737 --> 00:20:20,050
<i>You talk about managers being
years ahead of their time.</i>

348
00:20:20,417 --> 00:20:21,976
<i>There's no question that he was.</i>

349
00:20:22,057 --> 00:20:26,893
If you ask any player who's the
best manager? There's only one.

350
00:20:27,457 --> 00:20:30,291
He's got a charisma and a magic
that nobody else in the game

351
00:20:30,377 --> 00:20:31,731
<i>seems to have at the moment.</i>

352
00:20:32,137 --> 00:20:33,935
<i>He trusted you on the pitch.</i>

353
00:20:34,217 --> 00:20:36,937
<i>He picked the best 11,
once you've crossed that white line,</i>

354
00:20:37,097 --> 00:20:41,216
it was always one of his sayings, "You're
fit and it's down to you. I trust you."

355
00:20:42,057 --> 00:20:47,451
We're all together when we go
over that white line. Totally united.

356
00:20:48,177 --> 00:20:51,534
<i>You were only ever under
one pressure when Brian was the manager.</i>

357
00:20:51,617 --> 00:20:53,415
<i>If you gave your lot then that was it.</i>

358
00:20:53,737 --> 00:20:56,457
He could live with people
mis-controlling the ball.

359
00:20:56,537 --> 00:20:59,974
<i>He could live with people
shooting at goal and missing the target.</i>

360
00:21:00,057 --> 00:21:01,411
<i>He could handle all that.</i>

361
00:21:01,497 --> 00:21:04,376
<i>He couldn't live with you
not giving your lot.</i>

362
00:21:04,697 --> 00:21:09,692
You would actually die for your teammate

363
00:21:09,777 --> 00:21:14,977
in that 90 minutes and that's what
winning teams are all about.

364
00:21:15,057 --> 00:21:19,370
<i>If there isn't the commitment, no amount
of ability will guarantee the result.</i>

365
00:21:20,257 --> 00:21:22,294
But we had both in abundance.

366
00:21:28,217 --> 00:21:31,096
<i>So, for Nottingham Forest,
it's back to the main task</i>

367
00:21:31,217 --> 00:21:32,731
<i>of winning the first
division championship...</i>

368
00:21:32,817 --> 00:21:37,130
<i>I can remember running out
and it being so loud with Forest supporters</i>

369
00:21:37,297 --> 00:21:40,927
<i>and I kept thinking,
"Wow! This, we've hit the big time here."</i>

370
00:21:41,377 --> 00:21:44,051
And then a couple of minutes later,
Everton came out

371
00:21:44,497 --> 00:21:46,409
<i>and it was really such an impact</i>

372
00:21:46,537 --> 00:21:49,450
<i>that you felt you had to sort of duck down,
you know, with the noise.</i>

373
00:21:49,737 --> 00:21:52,377
<i>We got out and played
and the first 20 minutes,</i>

374
00:21:52,497 --> 00:21:53,977
I was breathing through my...

375
00:21:55,777 --> 00:21:58,212
You know, we're just up there
and everybody thinks

376
00:21:58,377 --> 00:22:01,051
<i>'cause you've just came up
you're gonna get turned over.</i>

377
00:22:02,377 --> 00:22:06,929
The pace was ferocious. I honestly
thought this is really too much.

378
00:22:07,137 --> 00:22:09,447
<i>But then we scored,
Peter Withe got a goal.</i>

379
00:22:09,577 --> 00:22:11,136
<i>The game changed completely.</i>

380
00:22:11,217 --> 00:22:14,415
<i>And it just seemed, everything
seemed to calm down and we just took over</i>

381
00:22:14,497 --> 00:22:18,935
and we played unbelievably well.
Won the game three-one.

382
00:22:19,137 --> 00:22:21,447
<i>And what a feeling that was,
so we're off and running</i>

383
00:22:21,537 --> 00:22:23,733
away from home. We've won up at Everton.

384
00:22:24,217 --> 00:22:27,255
<i>And somebody's
knocking on the dressing room door.</i>

385
00:22:28,057 --> 00:22:30,253
<i>"Come in. Delighted to see you."</i>

386
00:22:30,577 --> 00:22:34,173
<i>So, I was thinking, "Who's this?"
And it was Bill Shankly.</i>

387
00:22:34,977 --> 00:22:37,333
The former Liverpool manager.

388
00:22:37,457 --> 00:22:39,767
<i>And he said, "Bill, I'm just giving
them a rollocking,</i>

389
00:22:39,857 --> 00:22:43,737
<i>"telling them how poor they were,
but I think you should do it."</i>

390
00:22:43,817 --> 00:22:49,176
"You've won your first game, but the first
division's a marathon, not a sprint."

391
00:23:07,777 --> 00:23:11,009
Yeah, we talk about Cloughy
and Cloughy's era, there was no plan.

392
00:23:11,097 --> 00:23:13,089
There's never been a plan, you know?

393
00:23:13,177 --> 00:23:17,012
He'd come in before the game and say, "This
is the ball, you pass it to a teammate."

394
00:23:17,697 --> 00:23:21,407
"You, you head the ball, you kick the
ball, and if you have time with the ball

395
00:23:21,497 --> 00:23:23,648
"at your feet give it to someone
who can play."

396
00:23:24,537 --> 00:23:29,009
"You get the football, and you give it
that little fat bastard on the wing."

397
00:23:29,417 --> 00:23:30,931
"Give it to John Robertson."

398
00:23:31,017 --> 00:23:32,531
"He can play."

399
00:23:32,777 --> 00:23:34,769
"...you can't, so you give it him."

400
00:23:35,137 --> 00:23:37,811
We reduce things perhaps
to a little bit of simplicity

401
00:23:37,897 --> 00:23:41,607
where other managers might,
you know, find them complex.

402
00:23:41,697 --> 00:23:45,452
I don't know whether it's a gift
or if I have a gift or anything.

403
00:23:45,577 --> 00:23:47,170
It's very straightforward to me.

404
00:23:48,177 --> 00:23:51,409
<i>He was a genius
as far as simplicity was concerned.</i>

405
00:23:52,177 --> 00:23:56,251
<i>In the fact that he communicated
what he wanted brilliantly.</i>

406
00:23:56,777 --> 00:24:00,612
And he spoke about the game
being simple. Simplicity.

407
00:24:00,737 --> 00:24:03,047
You can't play well unless
you have the foot... You know,

408
00:24:03,137 --> 00:24:04,935
that little football that we play with.

409
00:24:05,057 --> 00:24:08,050
They had it more than we did
and on our pitch that's sacrilege.

410
00:24:08,497 --> 00:24:13,253
"If they are going to run
the show on my pitch," he said,

411
00:24:13,337 --> 00:24:16,375
"I'm going to fall out
with you and you and you."

412
00:24:16,657 --> 00:24:18,967
<i>I says, "Boss, what are we
going to do about free kicks?"</i>

413
00:24:20,057 --> 00:24:22,367
He says, "Shoot".

414
00:24:22,457 --> 00:24:25,416
<i>"Ah, right. What about
indirect free kicks?"</i>

415
00:24:25,857 --> 00:24:29,817
He says, "Fucking put the ball to the side
and shoot." And that was it.

416
00:24:34,017 --> 00:24:38,853
We had to get changed at the City
Ground and then jog down the Trent

417
00:24:39,097 --> 00:24:41,657
<i>to a little bit of waste
ground down by Boots.</i>

418
00:24:54,377 --> 00:24:56,608
Nowadays I don't think you could
actually call it training,

419
00:24:56,777 --> 00:25:00,248
<i>playing five-a-side's or playing
mount through the legs.</i>

420
00:25:00,737 --> 00:25:03,457
<i>You name it, very, very basic stuff.</i>

421
00:25:03,777 --> 00:25:08,693
You'd have a player on your back,
piggy back and run through the nettles

422
00:25:08,817 --> 00:25:11,571
by the side of the Trent,
you know, the stinging nettles.

423
00:25:11,697 --> 00:25:15,691
"I want a straight path round that tree
and back. No cutting corners.

424
00:25:16,057 --> 00:25:17,810
<i>"Get through the nettles and come back.</i>

425
00:25:17,897 --> 00:25:20,856
<i>"Get over that wall, out of sight,
I don't wanna see you."</i>

426
00:25:20,937 --> 00:25:24,772
Grown men scrambling up into
the directors box and hiding.

427
00:25:24,857 --> 00:25:26,928
And hiding behind somewhere
so you couldn't see them

428
00:25:27,017 --> 00:25:30,169
and they're looking at each other and
thinking, "What are we doing here? Yeah?"

429
00:25:30,297 --> 00:25:32,687
<i>You know, some days
we'd come in like you wouldn't even train.</i>

430
00:25:32,777 --> 00:25:36,214
We'd just go for a walk along the river
or, see it was they just didn't know.

431
00:25:36,617 --> 00:25:38,848
<i>The modern day footballer
don't know what it's like.</i>

432
00:25:38,937 --> 00:25:41,816
<i>Garry Birtles used to say,
"I'm not training today, lads,</i>

433
00:25:41,897 --> 00:25:43,172
<i>"I'm playing squash with the gaffer, "</i>

434
00:25:43,257 --> 00:25:44,532
and it was nearly every day.

435
00:25:44,617 --> 00:25:47,052
What are you laughing at?

436
00:25:47,137 --> 00:25:48,810
- That's true, he was my squash partner.
- Yeah? Yeah?

437
00:25:48,897 --> 00:25:50,092
Yeah.

438
00:25:50,177 --> 00:25:52,931
<i>He finished at 12 o'clock,
we were in the wine bar at 12 o'clock,</i>

439
00:25:53,057 --> 00:25:54,810
he said, "Col, do you want a drink?"

440
00:25:55,457 --> 00:25:58,291
I said, "Well I'm hopefully
playing this afternoon, boss."

441
00:25:58,377 --> 00:26:01,654
"Yeah you are playing, but if it makes you
play better, have a drink."

442
00:26:02,057 --> 00:26:05,687
<i>We all went round to the caf�.
"Can we have 14 chip cobs."</i>

443
00:26:06,457 --> 00:26:09,689
<i>Diets? God's truth.
Our diet would have been shot dead.</i>

444
00:26:10,017 --> 00:26:11,053
We didn't over train.

445
00:26:12,417 --> 00:26:16,013
He gave us as much days off as,
as we did training.

446
00:26:16,177 --> 00:26:17,816
And he was right. He believed in rest.

447
00:26:18,017 --> 00:26:20,816
"I don't wanna see anybody
in here till Thursday."

448
00:26:21,337 --> 00:26:24,967
Frank's getting on, he's about I don't know
48 or something at the time.

449
00:26:25,057 --> 00:26:29,017
And you know he just got out, put his
tracksuit bottoms, his trainers on

450
00:26:29,337 --> 00:26:31,613
<i>and he just goes
for a little jog, just to loosen up.</i>

451
00:26:31,697 --> 00:26:35,691
<i>Nothing strenuous or not too far, but
something just to keep myself ticking on.</i>

452
00:26:36,177 --> 00:26:37,896
And Cloughy found out about it.

453
00:26:38,217 --> 00:26:42,734
I've gone into the ground one day and he got
hold of me and he went absolutely berserk.

454
00:26:42,897 --> 00:26:45,332
<i>He said, "When I say
you have a rest, you have a rest.</i>

455
00:26:45,497 --> 00:26:49,093
"If I find out you've been training on your
day off again," he said, "I'll fine you."

456
00:26:49,857 --> 00:26:53,487
And I tried to argue with him,
but lost the argument, obviously.

457
00:26:53,657 --> 00:26:56,217
<i>But you look at Brian Clough and his
methods there it's,</i>

458
00:26:56,817 --> 00:26:59,207
if you have a couple of
days off work, legit.

459
00:26:59,537 --> 00:27:02,371
You know, you come into work
and you've got a bounce in your step.

460
00:27:02,617 --> 00:27:06,497
<i>Over the next two seasons, my
first two seasons here, and I played 108</i>

461
00:27:06,777 --> 00:27:10,407
consecutive games.
Never missed a game for two seasons.

462
00:27:10,617 --> 00:27:13,769
And at the end of the second season
he called me in to see him,

463
00:27:14,297 --> 00:27:16,289
and he said, "Well, who
was right now, then?"

464
00:27:16,377 --> 00:27:18,937
And I looked at him and I thought,
"What's he talking about here, like?"

465
00:27:19,017 --> 00:27:22,135
And that's what he was talking about from
two years ago. He'd never forgotten it.

466
00:27:22,217 --> 00:27:25,096
<i>I have to say, generally speaking,
the results were so good,</i>

467
00:27:25,217 --> 00:27:28,847
whatever he was trying, whatever he was
doing was very successful.

468
00:27:29,417 --> 00:27:31,693
Now, Brian Clough said
in midweek that every side

469
00:27:31,777 --> 00:27:34,053
had to be built from defence
and a lot of your stuff

470
00:27:34,137 --> 00:27:35,730
had been built at the back four
and the goalkeeper.

471
00:27:35,817 --> 00:27:37,331
Do you subscribe to that entirely, do you?

472
00:27:37,417 --> 00:27:40,967
Oh, definitely. You know, the back four
you know, from Shilts through Kenny Burns,

473
00:27:41,057 --> 00:27:43,208
<i>Viv Anderson, Colin Barrett, Dave Needham.</i>

474
00:27:44,417 --> 00:27:47,535
<i>No, they're absolutely fantastic and even
with the successful days at Derby,</i>

475
00:27:47,617 --> 00:27:51,406
it was built on a back four, a good back
four, that's not gonna give away goals.

476
00:27:51,617 --> 00:27:54,451
<i>I was at home with the wife
and she who's making a Christmas cake</i>

477
00:27:54,537 --> 00:27:57,371
<i>and the phone rang
and she answered the phone,</i>

478
00:27:57,577 --> 00:28:00,490
and, erm, "It's Brian Clough."

479
00:28:01,057 --> 00:28:05,449
<i>"Dave, could you come over and meet me
at the Italian restaurant on Trent Bridge?"</i>

480
00:28:06,617 --> 00:28:09,689
"Yes, sir, yeah course I can."
Yeah, so off I went

481
00:28:09,777 --> 00:28:13,134
and signed for him there and then.
It was, I just couldn't believe it.

482
00:28:13,377 --> 00:28:16,973
I think the first half of that season
was some of the best football,

483
00:28:17,097 --> 00:28:18,690
<i>well, certainly, I've ever played in.</i>

484
00:28:18,897 --> 00:28:22,732
Well, whether we really, really believed
we could win the league at that stage,

485
00:28:23,137 --> 00:28:24,207
I very much doubt it.

486
00:28:24,537 --> 00:28:27,496
<i>My first game was
Manchester United away at Old Trafford.</i>

487
00:28:28,337 --> 00:28:30,408
Coming in, first game panicking like hell.

488
00:28:30,617 --> 00:28:34,497
<i>We knew that we were playing well, but this
was gonna be a major test at Old Trafford.</i>

489
00:28:34,937 --> 00:28:38,328
And everybody thought that this would be
our comeuppance like,

490
00:28:38,417 --> 00:28:40,090
because we were the upstarts.

491
00:28:40,177 --> 00:28:43,170
I can remember Ian Bowyer actually,
"If you wanna do it anywhere,

492
00:28:43,497 --> 00:28:45,056
<i>"this is the place to do it."</i>

493
00:28:45,297 --> 00:28:47,892
It just happened, we were a good side.

494
00:28:49,217 --> 00:28:54,008
<i>Woodcock chasing... Looking
so... Oh, it's so lucky and unlucky!</i>

495
00:28:55,457 --> 00:28:57,494
<i>Came off the unlucky Brian Greenhoff.</i>

496
00:28:57,857 --> 00:29:00,816
<i>Robertson. Well, that could be awkward,</i>

497
00:29:01,337 --> 00:29:03,533
<i>and it's well thumped in by Woodcock.</i>

498
00:29:09,097 --> 00:29:12,215
<i>If you'd have tried to pick the man of
the match out of the Nottingham Forest team</i>

499
00:29:12,297 --> 00:29:14,607
you'd have struggled that day,
because we were flying.

500
00:29:15,017 --> 00:29:16,895
<i>We absolutely dominated them,</i>

501
00:29:17,337 --> 00:29:20,216
and I thought, "Oh, Christ, what have I
come to here? This is fantastic."

502
00:29:20,417 --> 00:29:23,854
<i>Comes to meet him
and it's going to be three, and it is.</i>

503
00:29:27,257 --> 00:29:30,056
<i>Here's Gemmill...</i>

504
00:29:30,137 --> 00:29:33,687
<i>Look at that, Gemmill forward,
Clarke again a run in on the keeper</i>

505
00:29:33,777 --> 00:29:35,211
<i>and this time number four.</i>

506
00:29:37,257 --> 00:29:40,887
<i>Manchester United buried
in their own back yard,</i>

507
00:29:41,577 --> 00:29:45,730
<i>by a team that has the hallmark
of its creator, Brian Clough.</i>

508
00:29:46,017 --> 00:29:49,089
To go there and beat them four-nil on
their own patch and could have been eight.

509
00:29:49,177 --> 00:29:50,930
Hold on here, we could be onto something.

510
00:29:51,137 --> 00:29:53,413
<i>Nottingham Forest
have given the best display</i>

511
00:29:53,497 --> 00:29:55,534
<i>by a team that I've had
the privilege of seeing this season.</i>

512
00:29:55,737 --> 00:29:58,889
<i>You know, they're not just winning,
they're hammering teams, you know?</i>

513
00:29:59,297 --> 00:30:01,766
And playing great football.
And I said, "You'll win the league.

514
00:30:01,857 --> 00:30:03,814
<i>"I'll tell you ways of playing
and destroying teams."</i>

515
00:30:04,297 --> 00:30:06,254
<i>I think the way
we've played this season, as I said,</i>

516
00:30:06,337 --> 00:30:09,853
you know, football's a game of habits.
If we keep on doing the right things

517
00:30:09,937 --> 00:30:13,055
then there is no way that we won't
win something this season.

518
00:30:13,297 --> 00:30:15,095
<i>Ah, that's Gemmill,
he really stole that.</i>

519
00:30:16,257 --> 00:30:18,408
<i>O'Hare...</i>

520
00:30:18,497 --> 00:30:19,977
<i>Momentum, that's the word,
you know?</i>

521
00:30:20,057 --> 00:30:21,650
<i>The team just gained its momentum.</i>

522
00:30:21,737 --> 00:30:25,094
Kept on winning. The critics kept
on saying, "It can't last.

523
00:30:25,297 --> 00:30:27,334
<i>"It won't last, they'll fall away."</i>

524
00:30:33,337 --> 00:30:37,331
Is there a feeling that even
yet the season could blow up in your faces?

525
00:30:37,537 --> 00:30:42,407
<i>Media guys, journalists,
were always talking about the Forest bubble</i>

526
00:30:42,817 --> 00:30:46,208
<i>and he used to remind us of it, you know?
He used to say,</i>

527
00:30:46,457 --> 00:30:48,176
<i>"Is the bubble gonna burst this week?"</i>

528
00:30:48,257 --> 00:30:51,056
<i>And it was, it was
all that he needed to say, really.</i>

529
00:30:51,217 --> 00:30:54,255
<i>There was an element
of us against the media,</i>

530
00:30:54,337 --> 00:30:57,455
because we thought
we were a little provincial club.

531
00:30:57,537 --> 00:31:02,089
We didn't quite get the rewards
or the credit that, er,

532
00:31:02,177 --> 00:31:07,775
possibly our style of football
and our results deserved, so, yeah.

533
00:31:07,897 --> 00:31:09,968
<i>Yeah, people always
said that about us, you know?</i>

534
00:31:10,057 --> 00:31:11,252
<i>That the bubble's gonna burst.</i>

535
00:31:11,337 --> 00:31:13,056
<i>We've had that thrown at us right
through our career.</i>

536
00:31:13,137 --> 00:31:14,696
<i>You know, we've been together now 12 years.</i>

537
00:31:15,097 --> 00:31:17,532
I think that in itself is an incentive
for us to do well.

538
00:31:17,617 --> 00:31:22,294
<i>We just go out to win a match
and we do it to the best of our ability.</i>

539
00:31:22,457 --> 00:31:26,895
<i>We go out to entertain the public.
We go out to pack football grounds.</i>

540
00:31:26,977 --> 00:31:31,893
<i>We go out to make you and I want
to come to football matches.</i>

541
00:31:31,977 --> 00:31:35,334
We try to entertain and
you never know, John,

542
00:31:35,417 --> 00:31:41,527
you and your profession just might
recognise that we are a good side.

543
00:31:43,057 --> 00:31:45,652
Well, let's have our last action now
and we catch up with

544
00:31:45,737 --> 00:31:47,376
the first division leaders
Nottingham Forest.

545
00:31:47,617 --> 00:31:49,176
What's the attitude
in the dressing room

546
00:31:49,257 --> 00:31:52,170
towards the sort of press you're getting?
Do you, do you think you're now being

547
00:31:52,257 --> 00:31:54,249
<i>genuinely recognised
as the sort of quality side you are?</i>

548
00:31:54,337 --> 00:31:57,011
<i>Well, I don't think so, I don't think
Britain realises how good we are.</i>

549
00:31:57,137 --> 00:32:00,528
<i>But I'm sure come the end
of the season when we win it,</i>

550
00:32:01,017 --> 00:32:03,577
I think people will have,
people have to give us recognition then.

551
00:32:04,097 --> 00:32:08,250
The team was playing so well that we
actually got to the League Cup Final

552
00:32:08,377 --> 00:32:10,846
<i>and I was cup tied and Chris Woods
played in it.</i>

553
00:32:10,977 --> 00:32:14,049
<i>I don't think it's ever an
advantage to be playing Liverpool at all,</i>

554
00:32:14,297 --> 00:32:17,768
'cause I think they are the most
difficult side to play in a cup final.

555
00:32:20,577 --> 00:32:23,217
<i>Brian Clough has held
everybody up. That's...</i>

556
00:32:23,297 --> 00:32:24,697
<i>Now what's that all about?</i>

557
00:32:24,977 --> 00:32:28,607
<i>He's getting the Forest players to wave to the
Forest crowd. That's never happened before</i>

558
00:32:28,977 --> 00:32:32,607
<i>where the manager has held up
the walking on ceremony.</i>

559
00:32:33,497 --> 00:32:35,568
<i>But that, after all, is Brian Clough.</i>

560
00:32:35,857 --> 00:32:39,294
The team that we had to beat was Liverpool.

561
00:32:39,617 --> 00:32:41,688
And everybody loved Liverpool. You know.

562
00:32:41,817 --> 00:32:44,173
<i>They were the kind of yard
stick that you went by.</i>

563
00:32:44,537 --> 00:32:46,733
They were the team
that you wanted to emulate.

564
00:32:50,177 --> 00:32:51,850
Chris Woods played in goal

565
00:32:51,937 --> 00:32:54,213
and if it hadn't been for him,
we'd have been beaten seven-nil.

566
00:32:56,337 --> 00:32:59,409
With all the other players around me it
was you know a really tremendous feeling.

567
00:32:59,737 --> 00:33:02,491
<i>Liverpool had a few chances
and missed and scuffed them</i>

568
00:33:02,577 --> 00:33:06,730
and we didn't really have an awful lot
as an attacking force that afternoon.

569
00:33:06,817 --> 00:33:09,173
<i>Maybe because we were
underdogs to start with</i>

570
00:33:09,337 --> 00:33:11,647
<i>it helped us get a result
or two against them.</i>

571
00:33:12,097 --> 00:33:14,168
<i>Then of course we went
to Old Trafford for the replay.</i>

572
00:33:17,057 --> 00:33:21,051
We were defending a corner and I was
actually on the edge of our box.

573
00:33:21,337 --> 00:33:24,011
<i>The ball got knocked out
to Tony Woodcock on the left</i>

574
00:33:24,297 --> 00:33:27,131
<i>and I started on my run
from the edge of our box.</i>

575
00:33:27,217 --> 00:33:29,777
People say, "I must have
gotten a taxi to get there."

576
00:33:30,217 --> 00:33:31,412
But I got there.

577
00:33:31,497 --> 00:33:34,774
<i>John O'Hare went hurtling through the
middle, about two yards outside the box.</i>

578
00:33:34,857 --> 00:33:36,007
<i>Thompson trips him.</i>

579
00:33:36,097 --> 00:33:37,451
It was my only chance to get him.

580
00:33:37,857 --> 00:33:40,247
It a foul, but I mean, people said,
"Oh, he dived, dived."

581
00:33:40,337 --> 00:33:41,976
But I never, never dived.

582
00:33:42,057 --> 00:33:46,176
Great dive into the box. Penalty. And Robbo
of course, as he did just stuck it away.

583
00:33:46,377 --> 00:33:48,972
<i>I had to kick him outside
the box. I know it sounds bad,</i>

584
00:33:49,297 --> 00:33:51,732
<i>but any professional'd do it.
I brought him down outside the box.</i>

585
00:33:51,817 --> 00:33:54,207
Obvious penalty.
I think John would have stuck it in.

586
00:33:54,297 --> 00:33:55,811
No, no one's doubting it, surely?

587
00:33:55,897 --> 00:33:57,456
What was
John O'Hare's feeling about it?

588
00:33:57,537 --> 00:33:59,369
Well, he said, "Certainly
inside, certainly."

589
00:33:59,537 --> 00:34:00,937
Well, your cameras will catch it, surely?

590
00:34:01,097 --> 00:34:04,488
Yeah, and I think they show
it outside. That's how it goes, eh?

591
00:34:04,577 --> 00:34:06,887
It also shows we've got the cup.
That's the main thing.

592
00:34:07,697 --> 00:34:11,213
<i>And Kenny Burns takes the trophy</i>

593
00:34:11,297 --> 00:34:16,417
<i>and who better to lift it to the Forest
fans on this night?</i>

594
00:34:16,497 --> 00:34:23,734
<i>Burns and Clough a partnership
that may yet have a long way in football.</i>

595
00:34:23,857 --> 00:34:28,488
<i>And may not have seen
by any means, the last of the silverware.</i>

596
00:34:28,577 --> 00:34:30,330
<i>Probably about 20, 22 years later,</i>

597
00:34:30,417 --> 00:34:33,171
<i>I was working for
Martin O'Neill at Leicester City.</i>

598
00:34:33,297 --> 00:34:36,893
I go up to Anfield to watch a game.
Do a match report,

599
00:34:37,177 --> 00:34:40,375
<i>and I pull up at the big car park
at Stanley Park.</i>

600
00:34:40,577 --> 00:34:45,129
So, I put my window down and says,
"Excuse me, John O'Hare, Leicester City."

601
00:34:45,377 --> 00:34:49,576
His exact words were,
"Fuck off, we don't like you here."

602
00:34:53,017 --> 00:34:54,497
But where were you
when he tripped you?

603
00:34:54,577 --> 00:34:58,696
Ah, you know, I mean to me I thought it
was just, maybe just in the box you know.

604
00:34:58,897 --> 00:35:01,128
What about
that one remaining point?

605
00:35:02,337 --> 00:35:03,373
What's that, Brian?

606
00:35:03,457 --> 00:35:06,131
Well, the one remaining point that
you need to win the championship.

607
00:35:06,497 --> 00:35:08,807
That I hope we'll get tomorrow.

608
00:35:08,897 --> 00:35:11,571
<i>It's been a hell of a long season.
It's been a hell of a good one,</i>

609
00:35:11,657 --> 00:35:14,570
<i>but we still want that point.
And we hope to get it tomorrow.</i>

610
00:35:14,657 --> 00:35:18,287
And we feel that football
hopes we'll get it tomorrow.

611
00:35:24,697 --> 00:35:28,134
We've got another two or three games
to go I think, but we needed a point.

612
00:35:31,057 --> 00:35:33,970
<i>When we played Coventry,
the game when they actually won the title,</i>

613
00:35:34,057 --> 00:35:35,537
<i>Shilton was magnificent.</i>

614
00:35:35,617 --> 00:35:39,088
You could have maybe had a thousand
shots at him, you wouldn't beat him.

615
00:35:40,977 --> 00:35:44,607
<i>I said before we kicked a ball, I
thought we'd qualify for Europe, no more.</i>

616
00:35:44,737 --> 00:35:47,935
<i>And that would have been an achievement,
but having signed Shilton, I said then</i>

617
00:35:48,057 --> 00:35:49,571
<i>that anything is possible.</i>

618
00:35:50,217 --> 00:35:53,051
<i>I turned to the manager and said,
"Well done, boss, we've won it."</i>

619
00:35:53,217 --> 00:35:55,891
<i>Shook his hand and he kind of went,
"Oh, yeah."</i>

620
00:35:55,977 --> 00:36:00,733
<i>You know, almost nonchalantly as if, "Well,
yeah, okay we've won it, but you know,</i>

621
00:36:00,777 --> 00:36:02,416
<i>"there's nothing to really celebrate."</i>

622
00:36:02,497 --> 00:36:05,888
<i>When, you know, the supporters
are going absolutely berserk</i>

623
00:36:06,017 --> 00:36:09,488
on the terraces at Coventry, you know,
'cause we've won the league championship.

624
00:36:09,577 --> 00:36:14,254
To win that over that length of time
was fantastic and also the way we did it.

625
00:36:14,337 --> 00:36:16,806
<i>It got to a stage,
if we didn't win at Coventry,</i>

626
00:36:16,937 --> 00:36:18,087
<i>we would have probably
won it the next week,</i>

627
00:36:18,137 --> 00:36:19,776
<i>and if we didn't win it the next week,</i>

628
00:36:19,817 --> 00:36:21,774
we were gonna win it the week after.
We just needed the point.

629
00:36:21,857 --> 00:36:23,007
<i>There's only one manager</i>

630
00:36:23,097 --> 00:36:25,532
<i>who's won a championship
with two different clubs.</i>

631
00:36:25,617 --> 00:36:28,086
You are on the verge of doing that now.

632
00:36:28,137 --> 00:36:32,609
Erm, is there much left for you to do
once you've done it do you think?

633
00:36:32,857 --> 00:36:35,850
We played some, you know, fantastic stuff.

634
00:36:35,977 --> 00:36:40,972
People say football's changed a lot. Yes,
it has. But the football that we played

635
00:36:41,097 --> 00:36:44,693
and the speed it was played at,
were, were brilliant.

636
00:36:44,777 --> 00:36:49,772
If we win the championship
this year, we would like to go on and do

637
00:36:49,817 --> 00:36:53,697
<i>you know, English football proud in the
European competition next year.</i>

638
00:36:53,777 --> 00:36:57,532
In this day and age it's like that.
Whoever got, who gets promoted now

639
00:36:57,617 --> 00:37:01,008
go and winning it, it's, it'll never
be done. It will never be done again,

640
00:37:01,137 --> 00:37:05,131
<i>so it was quite unique and it was a quite
unique set of players we had at the time.</i>

641
00:37:07,217 --> 00:37:10,289
<i>I've always said I'm, you know,
that's my position in the back four.</i>

642
00:37:10,537 --> 00:37:12,335
<i>You know, just that
nobody else has believed me.</i>

643
00:37:12,497 --> 00:37:14,136
<i>You know and the boss says, "Believe me."</i>

644
00:37:14,177 --> 00:37:16,487
I think plenty of people
believe you now, Kenny Burns.

645
00:37:16,537 --> 00:37:19,132
<i>We've won the League Cup,
we've won the league championship.</i>

646
00:37:19,177 --> 00:37:22,807
Erm, it's a unique double for the club.
I'm highly delighted

647
00:37:22,857 --> 00:37:25,326
for every single person
concerned with the club.

648
00:37:26,097 --> 00:37:30,171
We've done it how I would assume
everybody likes to do their job.

649
00:37:30,257 --> 00:37:32,533
Nicely, honourably and well.

650
00:37:32,657 --> 00:37:36,014
Plenty of positive things for the crowd
to cheer at Nottingham Forest yesterday,

651
00:37:36,057 --> 00:37:39,209
as Brian Clough and Peter Taylor
walked out to receive

652
00:37:39,337 --> 00:37:42,694
the first division championship trophy
before yesterday's game

653
00:37:42,777 --> 00:37:45,087
against Birmingham City.
As Hugh Johns reports.

654
00:37:45,177 --> 00:37:48,215
<i>The football league championship
comes to Nottingham Forest.</i>

655
00:37:48,337 --> 00:37:54,015
<i>A championship side put together by those
two men, Brian Clough and Peter Taylor.</i>

656
00:37:55,617 --> 00:38:00,009
<i>A side that they both agree
has played with style.</i>

657
00:38:00,857 --> 00:38:03,452
<i>There it is, that's what it's all about.</i>

658
00:38:03,537 --> 00:38:08,214
<i>John McGovern, skipper.</i>

659
00:38:08,857 --> 00:38:10,211
<i>A lot of people think that</i>

660
00:38:10,257 --> 00:38:12,726
<i>one of the main reasons
for Nottingham Forest's success,</i>

661
00:38:12,857 --> 00:38:16,214
is the success that you've shown
on the field, John Robertson.

662
00:38:16,257 --> 00:38:19,534
Again, a player that seems to have been
brought on by Brian Clough

663
00:38:19,577 --> 00:38:21,694
and Peter Taylor's influence. Yes or no?

664
00:38:22,737 --> 00:38:27,368
<i>Well played, straight to, er,
John Robertson by the Ipswich defence...</i>

665
00:38:27,457 --> 00:38:28,971
<i>And a goal!</i>

666
00:38:32,297 --> 00:38:36,769
<i>Well, it's a beautiful
shot by John Robertson.</i>

667
00:38:38,577 --> 00:38:42,651
John Robertson was like Ryan Giggs
but with two good feet.

668
00:38:44,137 --> 00:38:47,255
<i>The most influential player
in Europe for about,</i>

669
00:38:47,297 --> 00:38:50,096
I would say maybe
three and a half years, four years.

670
00:38:50,137 --> 00:38:52,891
<i>John Robertson,
playing on the left for Real Madrid.</i>

671
00:38:53,017 --> 00:38:57,455
He will go down as one of the world's
greatest left-sided players. Without a doubt.

672
00:38:57,577 --> 00:39:01,253
I think, you know, I think Robert
could have been Clough's secret son.

673
00:39:01,417 --> 00:39:05,013
We've got a little fat guy
that will turn him inside out.

674
00:39:05,097 --> 00:39:06,451
- John Robertson?
- Yeah.

675
00:39:06,577 --> 00:39:10,935
Very talented, highly skilled,
unbelievable outside left.

676
00:39:11,297 --> 00:39:14,529
He'll turn him inside out.

677
00:39:16,817 --> 00:39:22,176
I know he liked me, but I loved him. I thank
the day he walked into the football club,

678
00:39:22,697 --> 00:39:24,495
<i>'cause I'd have never have
a career without him.</i>

679
00:39:24,617 --> 00:39:28,327
The biggest thing is they gave me
confidence of what, what I could do well

680
00:39:28,777 --> 00:39:32,930
and didn't really bother so much as to about
what I couldn't do so well, you know?

681
00:39:34,297 --> 00:39:37,608
<i>They converted him
into a wide left player,</i>

682
00:39:37,657 --> 00:39:40,126
and encouraged him to do
what he was good at.

683
00:39:41,137 --> 00:39:42,810
<i>Robertson... Yes!</i>

684
00:39:42,977 --> 00:39:45,446
Robbo didn't believe how good he was,
I'll be honest with you.

685
00:39:45,537 --> 00:39:48,894
<i>He used to panic like hell. He used
to look at the team sheet every week.</i>

686
00:39:48,977 --> 00:39:50,127
<i>We knew he was in.</i>

687
00:39:50,217 --> 00:39:52,686
<i>You know,
we'd come in at half time</i>

688
00:39:52,977 --> 00:39:55,811
and very often you know,
Cloughy had to tweak it a little bit.

689
00:39:55,857 --> 00:39:58,736
Things weren't going as we expected.
And then someone said,

690
00:39:58,817 --> 00:40:03,573
"Well wait a minute, Rob... Robbo's in there."
So you look... In the bathroom, in the toilet.

691
00:40:04,177 --> 00:40:07,011
<i>So you look in there
and you see a plume of smoke.</i>

692
00:40:07,137 --> 00:40:10,892
Cloughy, "Ah leave him. He'll pick it up when
he gets on the pitch. He'll know what to do."

693
00:40:11,177 --> 00:40:13,976
And then he used to
sit there having a cigarette.

694
00:40:14,537 --> 00:40:17,177
Over 20 yards, John wouldn't
have beaten anybody, you know?

695
00:40:17,217 --> 00:40:18,367
He wouldn't have beaten my father.

696
00:40:18,497 --> 00:40:23,856
No pace whatsoever.
Couldn't tackle a good fish supper.

697
00:40:24,337 --> 00:40:25,657
Couldn't tackle my Granny.

698
00:40:25,777 --> 00:40:28,770
But, left foot,

699
00:40:28,857 --> 00:40:32,373
right foot. Genius.

700
00:40:33,337 --> 00:40:35,329
He could always beat people
without touching the ball.

701
00:40:35,377 --> 00:40:39,371
<i>When you see him, he just
goes past people that are, are quick.</i>

702
00:40:40,377 --> 00:40:42,528
And he'd just leave them dead.

703
00:40:42,617 --> 00:40:44,017
He was that good.

704
00:40:44,377 --> 00:40:48,166
<i>The fulcrum of the team, you'd think
normally would be maybe centre midfield,</i>

705
00:40:48,297 --> 00:40:52,211
<i>maybe centre back or whatever the case
may be, or centre forward.</i>

706
00:40:52,417 --> 00:40:56,206
The fulcrum of our side was outside left.
It went there.

707
00:41:05,257 --> 00:41:08,773
<i>It was, it was a terrific time,
just, you know, exciting times.</i>

708
00:41:08,897 --> 00:41:11,810
The people of Nottingham,
I'm sure they were better at their jobs.

709
00:41:11,897 --> 00:41:15,652
<i>Players who were the biggest
employer of people at that time,</i>

710
00:41:15,737 --> 00:41:20,289
I'm sure they, you know, Monday mornings
at Players were a lot happier

711
00:41:20,377 --> 00:41:26,214
<i>than they were five or six years previously,
so it affected everybody. Touched everybody.</i>

712
00:41:30,577 --> 00:41:34,412
<i>One of the lads when I went back to
Man City said, "Oh, what a town that is, "</i>

713
00:41:34,497 --> 00:41:36,614
<i>said, "Five girls to every guy."</i>

714
00:41:36,737 --> 00:41:40,253
Yeah, Nottingham was buzzing.
You know, I love the city.

715
00:41:40,297 --> 00:41:44,576
<i>You know, we had a team... In those
days that were, that were characters.</i>

716
00:41:44,737 --> 00:41:47,935
<i>You know, and they'll, the lads didn't
mind going out for a drink.</i>

717
00:41:48,017 --> 00:41:50,612
<i>We were sort of the only
team who got fined if we didn't go out</i>

718
00:41:50,777 --> 00:41:53,417
<i>on a Friday night for a drink.
It was one of those sort of situations.</i>

719
00:41:53,457 --> 00:41:56,336
<i>It was a great spirit
and camaraderie about the players.</i>

720
00:41:56,417 --> 00:41:59,330
I know that that's always talked about.
Everywhere you go, people who,

721
00:41:59,417 --> 00:42:02,808
they win a game or two,
people say there's a great spirit.

722
00:42:02,937 --> 00:42:03,927
There was a great spirit.

723
00:42:04,017 --> 00:42:07,454
We weren't just winning a game or two,
we were winning loads of games.

724
00:42:07,537 --> 00:42:10,848
<i>And we were winning big
trophies and we were beating everybody.</i>

725
00:42:10,937 --> 00:42:14,977
<i>The beauty about this
football team was that these boys,</i>

726
00:42:15,097 --> 00:42:17,931
<i>we were a close-knit family in as much as,</i>

727
00:42:17,977 --> 00:42:21,607
<i>if somebody who is out on a birthday,
we all went out on the birthday.</i>

728
00:42:22,217 --> 00:42:25,608
If somebody was wetting the baby's head,
we all went out wetting the baby's head.

729
00:42:25,777 --> 00:42:28,337
<i>It certainly wasn't work.
I don't think any footballer</i>

730
00:42:28,457 --> 00:42:31,973
should ever say he's got to go to work,
because, you know, he needs educating.

731
00:42:32,057 --> 00:42:33,457
Tell him to come and see me.

732
00:42:33,617 --> 00:42:36,177
<i>We just had the time of our life,
it was absolutely brilliant.</i>

733
00:42:36,297 --> 00:42:38,448
We were getting paid for it as well.
How good is that?

734
00:42:56,857 --> 00:42:59,656
Well, it's been a grey
and misty morning in London.

735
00:42:59,697 --> 00:43:02,656
Even so a crowd of 50,000
were at White Hart Lane,

736
00:43:02,737 --> 00:43:05,809
awaiting the arrival of the football
league champions.

737
00:43:07,257 --> 00:43:10,694
<i>And here they come,
Nottingham Forest, champions of England.</i>

738
00:43:10,857 --> 00:43:16,012
<i>Unbeaten in their last 37 games.
Unbeaten in their last 39 league games</i>

739
00:43:16,057 --> 00:43:19,494
<i>and with just one defeat
in their last 59 games.</i>

740
00:43:19,697 --> 00:43:23,850
<i>These men have really created records
that take your breath away.</i>

741
00:43:26,337 --> 00:43:28,693
<i>And you don't need me to tell you
who's behind it all.</i>

742
00:43:28,777 --> 00:43:32,566
<i>Here he is, Brian Clough, of course.
Manager extraordinary.</i>

743
00:43:32,697 --> 00:43:36,008
<i>And he'd be the first to tell you that the
man just going out of the picture there,</i>

744
00:43:36,057 --> 00:43:39,448
<i>Peter Taylor, his right hand man,
has had just as much to do</i>

745
00:43:39,537 --> 00:43:41,369
<i>with this phenomenal success as he has.</i>

746
00:43:42,217 --> 00:43:45,972
<i>Brian Clough getting a great
reception from this Tottenham crowd.</i>

747
00:43:46,057 --> 00:43:49,892
<i>That's good to see
and you have to admit that he deserves it.</i>

748
00:43:49,937 --> 00:43:53,897
The previous year, it was
the second division that we had eventually,

749
00:43:53,937 --> 00:43:56,577
whatever you say about,
almost scrambled up.

750
00:43:56,737 --> 00:43:58,057
<i>Now we'd won the league</i>

751
00:43:58,097 --> 00:44:01,374
<i>and I think we'd kind of proved
ourselves in that sense.</i>

752
00:44:01,417 --> 00:44:03,727
<i>You know, there was there,
there was something there.</i>

753
00:44:03,817 --> 00:44:08,892
There was more there for the manager
to at least mull over.

754
00:44:08,977 --> 00:44:11,572
Lastly, I'm gonna get you
to have a feel of this, Brian,

755
00:44:11,617 --> 00:44:13,654
and tell me what it feels like,
The European Cup.

756
00:44:13,737 --> 00:44:17,094
Well at first, obviously, the first
thing is it feels very, very heavy.

757
00:44:17,257 --> 00:44:20,728
But you know, if we can get it
at the end of this coming season,

758
00:44:20,817 --> 00:44:23,093
it'll feel like a feather.

759
00:44:23,177 --> 00:44:25,567
And I would like the,
I would like our name on it.

760
00:44:25,617 --> 00:44:27,097
Keep holding it, it suits you.

761
00:44:27,177 --> 00:44:30,090
We were all looking forward
to, er, to playing in Europe.

762
00:44:30,137 --> 00:44:34,928
We had ideas of going to Rome
and Madrid and Paris and Milan and...

763
00:44:35,017 --> 00:44:36,087
Who do we get?

764
00:44:36,137 --> 00:44:37,173
- Bang!
- Liverpool.

765
00:44:37,257 --> 00:44:38,293
Liverpool.

766
00:44:38,417 --> 00:44:41,967
<i>Not just an anti-climax because
you've been to Liverpool a million times,</i>

767
00:44:42,097 --> 00:44:46,774
<i>but you've also drawn probably
the toughest team in the competition</i>

768
00:44:46,937 --> 00:44:48,929
and the reigning European champions.

769
00:44:52,457 --> 00:44:53,937
Brian,
coming back to where we started,

770
00:44:54,017 --> 00:44:55,610
because this is the big question
for you this weekend.

771
00:44:55,657 --> 00:44:57,614
How really are you gonna cope
with Liverpool next weekend?

772
00:44:57,697 --> 00:44:59,370
Because they have got
the European experience.

773
00:44:59,457 --> 00:45:01,176
<i>They've got the experience
of the two leg system.</i>

774
00:45:01,777 --> 00:45:04,372
Yes, they've got 14 years start on us,

775
00:45:04,457 --> 00:45:09,373
because I think they've been in Europe 14... 14
years on the trot and this is our first year.

776
00:45:09,777 --> 00:45:12,497
<i>Er, we're gonna cope with them
as we coped with them last year.</i>

777
00:45:12,617 --> 00:45:17,294
<i>To, you know, do our best.
We can't worry too much about Liverpool.</i>

778
00:45:17,377 --> 00:45:21,132
If we're worried about Liverpool,
they drive us... They'll drive us crackers.

779
00:45:22,217 --> 00:45:23,856
It was quite deflating.

780
00:45:24,017 --> 00:45:25,736
We were all disappointed.

781
00:45:25,977 --> 00:45:31,291
The place was, er, was in a sombre mood.
No getting away from it.

782
00:45:31,337 --> 00:45:34,171
<i>They were
the measure of what you had to achieve.</i>

783
00:45:34,297 --> 00:45:37,495
To draw them in the first round,
the holders as well.

784
00:45:37,537 --> 00:45:42,328
Well, I was a bit sick to be honest with
you. If I'm probably telling the truth,

785
00:45:42,417 --> 00:45:45,410
I thought, "Maybe we ain't gonna do this."

786
00:45:50,177 --> 00:45:53,648
The whole world, well the whole of Europe
thought that Liverpool would beat us.

787
00:45:53,817 --> 00:45:56,491
<i>Pundits,
journalists alike thought,</i>

788
00:45:56,537 --> 00:46:01,009
<i>"Well, okay, Nottingham Forest have won the
league, but now they get their comeuppance."</i>

789
00:46:01,097 --> 00:46:04,568
<i>Can't possibly beat Liverpool
over two legs. You know, this mob.</i>

790
00:46:04,697 --> 00:46:09,328
Erm, but Brian and, and Peter as usual were,
were very confident and bullish about it.

791
00:46:09,697 --> 00:46:12,337
So we'll concentrate
on our game, putting it together.

792
00:46:12,377 --> 00:46:15,688
We'll concentrate on trying
to get a goal at our place, obviously.

793
00:46:15,737 --> 00:46:17,694
We'll concentrate on keeping a clean sheet.

794
00:46:17,737 --> 00:46:20,775
The normal things and we'll concentrate
on providing good football.

795
00:46:20,857 --> 00:46:22,576
What are you gonna achieve
finally in this season, Brian?

796
00:46:22,697 --> 00:46:25,053
You stunned us last season.
You haven't had the best of starts, but...

797
00:46:25,217 --> 00:46:27,015
And it's a good word
as well, 'cause we did stun you.

798
00:46:27,057 --> 00:46:28,127
Yeah you did.

799
00:46:28,217 --> 00:46:31,051
And everybody, and the trophies
are there to prove it.

800
00:46:31,217 --> 00:46:34,289
Within two or three days,

801
00:46:35,217 --> 00:46:40,531
<i>we've all cleared our heads. We've been told
that we're equally as good, if not better.</i>

802
00:46:40,697 --> 00:46:43,576
<i>Clough, when he called us
together, he said, "Listen."</i>

803
00:46:44,377 --> 00:46:48,815
<i>He said, "You know what they'll be saying
in their dressing room? 'Not them again.'"</i>

804
00:46:49,097 --> 00:46:51,089
<i>He said, "If we're gonna win it,</i>

805
00:46:51,217 --> 00:46:54,096
"you'll have to meet Liverpool at some
stage, so beat them in the first round.

806
00:46:54,217 --> 00:46:55,207
"Get them out of the way."

807
00:46:55,297 --> 00:46:59,132
Fortunately for us,
the game came and we were awesome.

808
00:47:02,417 --> 00:47:04,613
<i>Anderson to Burns again.</i>

809
00:47:06,337 --> 00:47:09,136
<i>Really right on top of his game tonight.</i>

810
00:47:09,737 --> 00:47:11,649
<i>Bowyer... A little flick on!</i>

811
00:47:12,497 --> 00:47:15,569
<i>Woodcock... And Birt... Birtles has got it!</i>

812
00:47:15,977 --> 00:47:21,177
<i>His first ever goal for Nottingham Forest
and it had to be the European Cup.</i>

813
00:47:21,577 --> 00:47:22,613
<i>One-nothing.</i>

814
00:47:26,097 --> 00:47:29,169
<i>Well, what a night for Garry Birtles.</i>

815
00:47:29,257 --> 00:47:32,091
Garry was Roy of the Rovers
when he joined us.

816
00:47:32,177 --> 00:47:37,252
<i>He'd gone from obscurity to
headline fame literally overnight.</i>

817
00:47:37,457 --> 00:47:41,133
Everybody likes to score against Liverpool
and, er, tremendous feeling.

818
00:47:41,257 --> 00:47:44,933
From that moment on,
he was brilliant.

819
00:47:48,457 --> 00:47:50,210
We never believed that
we couldn't beat them.

820
00:47:50,297 --> 00:47:52,334
Even though they were
the great Liverpool team.

821
00:47:55,337 --> 00:47:57,852
<i>It was just a case of
holding out, we'll keep it out</i>

822
00:47:58,017 --> 00:48:00,293
one-nil, one-nil, we'll
grind it out one-nil.

823
00:48:00,377 --> 00:48:02,448
It was Forest and they couldn't believe
what was happening.

824
00:48:02,617 --> 00:48:03,846
<i>The time was running out.</i>

825
00:48:03,977 --> 00:48:05,331
And they tried to get a goal.

826
00:48:05,457 --> 00:48:08,131
They'd get a corner.
We cleared it off the touchline.

827
00:48:08,217 --> 00:48:11,449
<i>Phil Neal tries to pass it
up the line, Colin blocks it.</i>

828
00:48:11,497 --> 00:48:12,533
I think he won it twice.

829
00:48:12,657 --> 00:48:14,171
<i>And it's gone out to Birtles.</i>

830
00:48:15,697 --> 00:48:17,848
For some reason I've
gone galloping forward.

831
00:48:19,657 --> 00:48:22,297
The two of them, almost in unison jump up.

832
00:48:22,497 --> 00:48:23,567
"Where's he going?"

833
00:48:23,657 --> 00:48:26,331
"What is that lunatic doing?
Where's he going?"

834
00:48:26,377 --> 00:48:29,529
Phil Thompson came sort of sliding in
but didn't quite get it.

835
00:48:29,657 --> 00:48:33,287
He's crossed it and Tony's just
cushioned the ball for Colin Barrett.

836
00:48:36,657 --> 00:48:38,296
And I just hit it sweet.

837
00:48:41,177 --> 00:48:42,691
"What's he doing! Great goal."

838
00:48:43,017 --> 00:48:44,610
"Oh, what a goal!"

839
00:48:44,657 --> 00:48:46,853
<i>And I remember
Peter Taylor afterwards saying,</i>

840
00:48:46,977 --> 00:48:50,368
"We were encouraging them to go forward
in the last couple of minutes in the game."

841
00:48:50,497 --> 00:48:52,648
What Colin's doing up there, I don't know.

842
00:48:52,817 --> 00:48:54,012
"Colin scored that?"

843
00:48:54,177 --> 00:48:57,568
And I can still remember
Tony Woodcock grabbing hold of me

844
00:48:57,697 --> 00:49:01,532
<i>and I told him to F-off, 'cause I was
on my way. I was running round the ground.</i>

845
00:49:02,337 --> 00:49:04,806
If you ever scored a goal against
Liverpool in a game like that,

846
00:49:04,857 --> 00:49:06,735
you realised how fast you can run.

847
00:49:06,857 --> 00:49:10,214
Out of all the Liverpool games
we've played over the years,

848
00:49:10,257 --> 00:49:12,055
I always remember Colin Barrett's goal.

849
00:49:12,377 --> 00:49:15,848
I actually think that the
goal that Colin scored

850
00:49:16,257 --> 00:49:21,855
made that second leg at Anfield
not easy, but easier.

851
00:49:22,217 --> 00:49:25,528
<i>I know the manager won't like it
if we get too excited you know what I mean,</i>

852
00:49:25,657 --> 00:49:27,853
<i>but you're in the dressing room
for five minutes,</i>

853
00:49:27,897 --> 00:49:31,937
the only talking point is,
"Col, what were you doing up there?"

854
00:49:37,097 --> 00:49:39,737
I never saw that goal again
for about another 10 years.

855
00:49:39,897 --> 00:49:42,856
It was about the time when JR got shot,
JR Ewing got shot.

856
00:49:43,217 --> 00:49:46,051
This is the wife. So she put it on tape

857
00:49:46,377 --> 00:49:49,211
and my goal was on tape.

858
00:49:49,577 --> 00:49:52,456
...<i>some confidence to do it.
Not a bad looking cross... Woodcock!</i>

859
00:49:56,017 --> 00:49:57,770
<i>It was you, Kristen.</i>

860
00:49:58,737 --> 00:50:00,774
True story. Wives, eh?

861
00:50:05,577 --> 00:50:08,570
The Saturday previous to the return leg,

862
00:50:08,697 --> 00:50:12,088
Liverpool beat Tottenham
seven-nil at Anfield.

863
00:50:12,217 --> 00:50:16,769
...<i>but it's gone to Dalglish and
he turns and... Dalglish at the far post.</i>

864
00:50:17,657 --> 00:50:20,934
<i>In it goes, and this is becoming a riot.</i>

865
00:50:22,097 --> 00:50:24,487
So that performance
against Spurs doesn't frighten you?

866
00:50:24,617 --> 00:50:26,574
- Nothing, not that much.
- Right.

867
00:50:26,617 --> 00:50:29,610
We should have scored seven past
Spurs on the first match of the season.

868
00:50:29,737 --> 00:50:31,057
What are their weaknesses?

869
00:50:31,297 --> 00:50:34,608
Well, the weakness is that they couldn't
score a goal against us last season.

870
00:50:34,977 --> 00:50:36,297
That's not a bad one for a start,

871
00:50:36,417 --> 00:50:39,728
so don't ram seven goals down
my throat or anybody else's.

872
00:50:40,257 --> 00:50:44,331
<i>Colin got injured in
ensuing games before the second leg.</i>

873
00:50:44,457 --> 00:50:49,816
So I, I played in the second leg up there
and it was a bit like the Alamo at times.

874
00:51:00,617 --> 00:51:03,257
<i>Anfield was
the hardest place ever to go to.</i>

875
00:51:03,297 --> 00:51:05,971
<i>It was incredible.
It was so electric,</i>

876
00:51:06,017 --> 00:51:10,136
and in those days obviously the Kop it
was, it was standing. They were swaying.

877
00:51:10,377 --> 00:51:13,336
Brian always told us,
"Right, get out on the pitch before."

878
00:51:13,377 --> 00:51:16,211
So we all went down the Kop and of
course all the booing and everything,

879
00:51:16,337 --> 00:51:18,169
<i>throwing oranges and everything at us.</i>

880
00:51:18,337 --> 00:51:20,454
I used to love the Liverpool nights.

881
00:51:20,497 --> 00:51:25,208
A tennis ball came on the pitch
and John Robertson flicked it up,

882
00:51:25,617 --> 00:51:27,813
volleyed it straight
in the top corner of the net.

883
00:51:28,017 --> 00:51:30,327
All of a sudden the mood changed
and they all started cheering.

884
00:51:31,497 --> 00:51:33,853
<i>How to take the pressure off
in one easy lesson.</i>

885
00:51:37,137 --> 00:51:41,177
<i>As a team we defended really well
and that starts from the front players,</i>

886
00:51:41,217 --> 00:51:44,369
<i>midfield players and of course,
the back four were brilliant.</i>

887
00:51:44,537 --> 00:51:47,006
<i>Obviously, they had a little bit
more on, on our goal.</i>

888
00:51:47,137 --> 00:51:49,811
<i>They had more attacks, more shots.
But Shilts was in good form,</i>

889
00:51:49,857 --> 00:51:53,328
<i>Burnsy and I were in good form,
the full backs were in good form.</i>

890
00:51:53,377 --> 00:51:55,846
<i>We just knew that if
the other team got the ball,</i>

891
00:51:55,977 --> 00:51:58,492
<i>then I should be marking him,
he should be doing this.</i>

892
00:51:58,537 --> 00:52:03,168
And, and it, and it just, it was just us,
it just fell into shape if you like.

893
00:52:06,377 --> 00:52:07,857
<i>Good tackle by Bowyer.</i>

894
00:52:08,017 --> 00:52:10,577
<i>They do show you how to win the ball,
these Forest midfield players.</i>

895
00:52:10,897 --> 00:52:13,571
We were compact,
as soon as people come in our half,

896
00:52:13,697 --> 00:52:16,257
<i>that's when we started to close them down.</i>

897
00:52:16,537 --> 00:52:18,529
And we became really expert at it.

898
00:52:18,697 --> 00:52:20,529
<i>You rolled your sleeves up.</i>

899
00:52:20,697 --> 00:52:25,408
You're digging in and you know how good
they are, but you've just gotta keep going.

900
00:52:27,737 --> 00:52:28,932
<i>We're in time added on now</i>

901
00:52:29,057 --> 00:52:33,449
<i>by the French referee for stoppages and there
won't be too much. There'll hardly be any!</i>

902
00:52:33,577 --> 00:52:37,730
<i>That whistle signals the end of
Liverpool's hold on the European Cup.</i>

903
00:52:37,777 --> 00:52:44,889
<i>Nottingham Forest's organisation and flair
and style over the two matches was too good,</i>

904
00:52:44,937 --> 00:52:48,977
<i>even for the European champions.
It's the end of an era.</i>

905
00:52:49,097 --> 00:52:51,737
<i>That was great credit to us,
because Liverpool were, you know,</i>

906
00:52:51,897 --> 00:52:57,416
a great team, had some great players,
but we had that little bit more.

907
00:52:57,457 --> 00:53:01,576
<i>The Kop is silent.
Silent in tribute to Forest</i>

908
00:53:01,657 --> 00:53:05,970
<i>who won a tie, which at the start of it, many
people didn't think they had much chance of.</i>

909
00:53:06,097 --> 00:53:09,932
When we beat Liverpool,
I remember Bob Paisley saying afterwards,

910
00:53:10,057 --> 00:53:11,889
<i>he thought we could go on and win it.</i>

911
00:53:11,937 --> 00:53:16,136
And you realise, "Mmm, I think we must have
a bit of respect in this in this world."

912
00:53:16,257 --> 00:53:18,453
Getting into the European Cup
was the hardest thing,

913
00:53:18,497 --> 00:53:20,056
'cause you had to win the league,

914
00:53:20,097 --> 00:53:23,886
but once we got past Liverpool,
I think we thought, "You never know."

915
00:53:23,937 --> 00:53:27,453
If this is the best Europe's got, you
know, maybe we have got a chance.

916
00:53:27,617 --> 00:53:30,610
<i>How far do you think your
own side can go in the European Cup?</i>

917
00:53:30,737 --> 00:53:33,775
I think we'll go reasonably well, John.
We don't know, you see.

918
00:53:33,817 --> 00:53:36,616
We're babes in the wood
regarding European football.

919
00:53:36,737 --> 00:53:38,968
Um, what we do know
is we've beaten Liverpool.

920
00:53:39,097 --> 00:53:43,808
That's all we can do. We've knocked them
out. We don't know who we're going to draw.

921
00:53:43,857 --> 00:53:46,929
We don't like talking,
you know, hypothetically.

922
00:53:46,977 --> 00:53:50,971
I, personally, don't talk about things
that, you know, are not there yet.

923
00:53:51,137 --> 00:53:53,811
We're not going to anticipate.
We're going home tonight.

924
00:53:53,937 --> 00:53:58,011
We're gonna go to bed, have a couple
of beers, perhaps on the coach,

925
00:53:58,377 --> 00:54:00,812
and we're gonna get ready
for Aston Villa on Saturday.

926
00:54:00,937 --> 00:54:03,850
And I'm not kidding,
that's as far as it goes.

927
00:54:03,977 --> 00:54:07,857
After that almost domestic confrontation
with Liverpool, Nottingham Forest's

928
00:54:07,977 --> 00:54:12,688
first true venture into the unknown
areas of the European Cup begins here,

929
00:54:12,817 --> 00:54:15,013
in the stadium of AEK Athens.

930
00:54:15,177 --> 00:54:21,208
We looked upon them as being almost like
pioneering adventures for us, you know?

931
00:54:24,497 --> 00:54:26,216
<i>There's more
sort of gamesmanship,</i>

932
00:54:26,337 --> 00:54:29,694
<i>or strange form of gamesmanship with these
foreign sides, though off the pitch, Brian.</i>

933
00:54:30,177 --> 00:54:34,137
Oh, yes. They, they throw everything at
you, apart from literally the kitchen sink

934
00:54:34,177 --> 00:54:36,692
and if they could get away with that,
they would do that also.

935
00:54:37,177 --> 00:54:41,012
You scored four goals for the national
side against Finland yesterday, Mavrus.

936
00:54:41,137 --> 00:54:43,129
Can you score four goals
against Peter Shilton?

937
00:54:43,417 --> 00:54:49,095
It was our first experience of the
hostility that you can find in Europe.

938
00:54:49,377 --> 00:54:52,017
<i>I think it was Archie Gemmill,
or somebody like that, saying,</i>

939
00:54:52,057 --> 00:54:55,209
it's an intimidating atmosphere, Athens.

940
00:54:55,577 --> 00:54:57,250
<i>These Greeks,
they're a dangerous lot.</i>

941
00:54:57,377 --> 00:55:01,690
<i>You know, you've gotta watch it here tonight.
They could be turning up in front of the gates.</i>

942
00:55:01,777 --> 00:55:03,370
<i>It's a good job we've got security here.</i>

943
00:55:03,497 --> 00:55:06,092
We stayed somewhere
on the beach and we had little chalets,

944
00:55:06,217 --> 00:55:10,211
and I was in with Tony Woodcock.
And I remember going back to my room early.

945
00:55:10,697 --> 00:55:14,532
Ten to 15, 20 minutes later,
there was a complete power cut.

946
00:55:14,737 --> 00:55:17,571
And the lights go out.
And I'm thinking, "Ooh."

947
00:55:17,617 --> 00:55:18,892
And you imagine things then.

948
00:55:18,937 --> 00:55:20,929
And before I get to the room,
he could hear me coming.

949
00:55:21,057 --> 00:55:23,049
I was stuck in the toilet,
'cause I was scared,

950
00:55:23,097 --> 00:55:26,374
in the toilet thinking,
"Are they coming to get us?"

951
00:55:26,457 --> 00:55:29,529
"Who's there?" You know,
and I knock on the door.

952
00:55:29,577 --> 00:55:31,728
"Who's there? Keep out!" You know?

953
00:55:32,617 --> 00:55:34,893
Well, I thought this, 'cause everyone says
they intimidate

954
00:55:34,937 --> 00:55:38,408
and they'd do anything to get three points.
I'm thinking, "They're coming to get me."

955
00:55:38,617 --> 00:55:40,734
<i>If Brian Clough and Peter Taylor
want to learn a new trick</i>

956
00:55:40,897 --> 00:55:44,811
for their managerial repertoire when they come
to Athens, then they, like the rest of us,

957
00:55:44,937 --> 00:55:47,611
will find that you can always learn
from the ancient Greeks.

958
00:55:48,417 --> 00:55:50,374
<i>Their stadium
was amazing, you know?</i>

959
00:55:50,417 --> 00:55:54,775
I mean, they really do get into their football
over there and they do get very excited.

960
00:55:55,097 --> 00:55:59,137
<i>There was a real aggression
that germinated from the terracing...</i>

961
00:55:59,937 --> 00:56:01,291
But we got a good result.

962
00:56:01,457 --> 00:56:04,973
People talk about the crowd, but I've never
seen a spectator actually score a goal.

963
00:56:05,097 --> 00:56:08,295
You know? And that was one of my moments
of glory in the away game.

964
00:56:08,337 --> 00:56:11,774
<i>Actually it's probably the only time in, in
all the time I played with John Robertson</i>

965
00:56:11,817 --> 00:56:13,649
<i>that I actually ran past him.</i>

966
00:56:13,897 --> 00:56:15,251
Was it Frank Clark got forward?

967
00:56:15,297 --> 00:56:17,971
I think he got a nosebleed, you know,
'cause he got that far forward.

968
00:56:18,137 --> 00:56:20,254
<i>For some reason,
I gave the ball to John and thought,</i>

969
00:56:20,297 --> 00:56:22,607
<i>"I'll keep on running here,
I might just surprise everyone."</i>

970
00:56:22,737 --> 00:56:26,617
I did keep on running and I got, I got
right through with the ball and then got

971
00:56:26,657 --> 00:56:30,014
very near the goal and then kind of looked
around and thought, "Help!"

972
00:56:30,177 --> 00:56:33,807
He's crossed the ball for me and it's come
to me, I could have put it in first time,

973
00:56:33,937 --> 00:56:37,009
but for some reason I didn't, I took a
touch, that sidestepped the keeper,

974
00:56:37,137 --> 00:56:38,287
<i>then put it in the empty net.</i>

975
00:56:38,337 --> 00:56:40,977
<i>I think John McGovern scored
the other one and he didn't score many.</i>

976
00:56:41,137 --> 00:56:43,254
<i>A quick look at the bench to see
if I was gonna get a rollocking</i>

977
00:56:43,297 --> 00:56:45,607
for being that far
forward, you know, but...

978
00:56:46,497 --> 00:56:49,649
They were no mugs.
They put us to the sword in the second half

979
00:56:49,777 --> 00:56:54,977
and they only got one back, but it was
great to take a lead back to Nottingham.

980
00:57:01,617 --> 00:57:04,177
It is a very good team...

981
00:57:06,057 --> 00:57:08,333
And he plays a very good football.

982
00:57:09,617 --> 00:57:12,132
Erm, there are many good players.

983
00:57:12,337 --> 00:57:15,136
<i>Puskas arrives with the AEK team.</i>

984
00:57:15,177 --> 00:57:18,136
<i>They did a little warm up. I thought,
"I'll stay and watch him a little bit."</i>

985
00:57:18,177 --> 00:57:21,727
And he's hitting shots from the edge
of the box and he's just hitting every one

986
00:57:21,857 --> 00:57:25,567
in the top corner of the net and
the goalkeepers couldn't get near them.

987
00:57:25,697 --> 00:57:28,053
<i>And I think he was trying to show off
a little bit, 'cause I thought,</i>

988
00:57:28,177 --> 00:57:30,851
"Well that's not really building
the goalkeeper's confidence up."

989
00:57:31,017 --> 00:57:33,532
<i>Puskas, who played
for Hungary at Wembley</i>

990
00:57:33,657 --> 00:57:38,686
<i>25 years ago this month, in the match the
Hungarians won six-three against England</i>

991
00:57:38,737 --> 00:57:41,491
<i>and then wrote his name
all over the European Cup.</i>

992
00:57:41,537 --> 00:57:45,372
<i>First as a player with Real Madrid,
and then as the manager of the Greek club,</i>

993
00:57:45,417 --> 00:57:50,094
<i>Panathinaikos, who reached
the final at Wembley in 1971.</i>

994
00:57:50,537 --> 00:57:53,336
<i>And maybe that support
is also for Brian Clough.</i>

995
00:59:19,657 --> 00:59:22,968
Well you're obviously the best
player in what is a poor Birmingham team,

996
00:59:23,017 --> 00:59:26,454
but do you really think
you're worth one million pounds?

997
00:59:26,497 --> 00:59:31,492
Well, I went in to see Brian Clough and I
says, er, I said, "I'm gonna get married."

998
00:59:31,697 --> 00:59:35,532
He says, "Again?" I says, "Yeah." He says,

999
00:59:36,857 --> 00:59:39,008
"Okay. What do you think
of Trevor Francis?"

1000
00:59:39,177 --> 00:59:41,692
<i>I say, "He's a good player.
Good player. Very good."</i>

1001
00:59:42,297 --> 00:59:44,493
He said, "We're gonna sign him."
I says, "Good."

1002
00:59:55,057 --> 00:59:56,491
I've not put in a transfer request.

1003
00:59:56,537 --> 00:59:59,336
No, but you want to go.
You want to leave the club don't you?

1004
00:59:59,377 --> 01:00:01,175
Erm, well, I, I'd rather not say, Gary.

1005
01:00:01,297 --> 01:00:04,813
<i>What does the prospect of
playing for Brian Clough feel like to you?</i>

1006
01:00:04,897 --> 01:00:09,176
<i>Erm, it appeals to me very much.
I've always, er, respected Brian.</i>

1007
01:00:09,577 --> 01:00:12,172
Except when he told me
to take my hands out of my pockets.

1008
01:00:12,417 --> 01:00:15,137
Young man, to be the best in anything,

1009
01:00:15,177 --> 01:00:17,851
you've got to be the best among
what you've seen there,

1010
01:00:17,977 --> 01:00:21,573
it's got to be very special.
Get your hands out your pockets.

1011
01:00:21,897 --> 01:00:26,574
He's got a tremendous record and if I get
the opportunity, I'd love to speak to him.

1012
01:00:27,017 --> 01:00:30,897
You know I felt at the time that
it's a great opportunity for me,

1013
01:00:30,937 --> 01:00:34,408
<i>'cause they were the only team in the league
who could actually compete with Liverpool.</i>

1014
01:00:34,537 --> 01:00:36,768
You know, I've not won anything yet.

1015
01:00:36,897 --> 01:00:38,570
I've always hoped that things would change.

1016
01:00:38,777 --> 01:00:42,691
You know, the club has progressed to
the quarter finals of the European Cup.

1017
01:00:43,057 --> 01:00:47,210
I know it's been said so many times, but I
don't think any player is worth one million.

1018
01:00:47,377 --> 01:00:51,007
<i>To go and pay a million pounds you know,
was a real statement of intent. It was,</i>

1019
01:00:51,217 --> 01:00:54,574
I think it was two or three times the
record fee before that, you know.

1020
01:00:54,737 --> 01:00:58,856
<i>This was the biggest day
in my, er, footballing career</i>

1021
01:00:58,897 --> 01:01:02,732
<i>and we were on the verge of,
you know, breaking the transfer record,</i>

1022
01:01:02,777 --> 01:01:06,134
<i>bearing in mind that the, the
current record was only 500,000.</i>

1023
01:01:06,257 --> 01:01:08,852
<i>So it was actually doubling it.
I remember the chairman, er,</i>

1024
01:01:08,897 --> 01:01:14,097
popping his head into the door,
asking Brian how the negotiations,

1025
01:01:14,217 --> 01:01:16,049
how were they going.

1026
01:01:16,257 --> 01:01:20,774
"Mr Chairman, when I have something to tell
you, I shall let you know. Now get out."

1027
01:01:22,257 --> 01:01:25,568
I put that there just in case
he makes a balls of it.

1028
01:01:25,617 --> 01:01:28,086
Brian ran the club, er, in those days.

1029
01:01:28,137 --> 01:01:31,448
And it had to be on a money in equals money
out basis every year, you know?

1030
01:01:31,617 --> 01:01:33,973
There was no, er, rich sugar daddy

1031
01:01:34,097 --> 01:01:36,612
coming and chucking
millions of pounds into the club.

1032
01:01:36,657 --> 01:01:38,569
<i>It just wasn't run that way.</i>

1033
01:01:38,617 --> 01:01:42,054
Now what is it that makes
Trevor worth a million pounds to you?

1034
01:01:42,097 --> 01:01:43,736
His ability, young man.

1035
01:01:44,617 --> 01:01:46,609
What do you expect him to do for Forest?

1036
01:01:46,657 --> 01:01:50,128
Basically to score goals and be
part and parcel of a good side.

1037
01:01:50,257 --> 01:01:53,933
You know, I was familiar with making
back page headlines,

1038
01:01:53,977 --> 01:01:55,616
but this was front page headlines.

1039
01:01:55,737 --> 01:01:58,809
Do you feel that having
that millions pounds tag round your neck

1040
01:01:58,857 --> 01:02:00,576
will be a burden in your
playing career now?

1041
01:02:01,657 --> 01:02:06,857
Erm, I hope not. At the moment it certainly
isn't. I'm quite excited about it.

1042
01:02:07,257 --> 01:02:10,853
But, erm, I realise that
what I get on that pitch,

1043
01:02:11,817 --> 01:02:14,537
I've gotta forget about it then
and just get on with playing.

1044
01:02:14,657 --> 01:02:15,977
That's the most important factor.

1045
01:02:16,297 --> 01:02:19,654
<i>There was no question that Trevor
was a top class player.</i>

1046
01:02:19,777 --> 01:02:23,657
<i>So it was a real statement of intent.
It gave us the players a lift.</i>

1047
01:02:23,777 --> 01:02:26,337
<i>Obviously one or two people who were
looking at it players thinking,</i>

1048
01:02:26,457 --> 01:02:28,210
<i>"Oh, I hope he's not gonna get my place."</i>

1049
01:02:28,337 --> 01:02:31,648
But I knew he wasn't gonna play
left back but...

1050
01:02:31,817 --> 01:02:34,013
So yeah, it gave the club
a lift without doubt.

1051
01:02:34,137 --> 01:02:38,336
There were some big players there.
The likes of Gemmill and Shilton

1052
01:02:38,457 --> 01:02:43,737
and Woodcock and Robertson, and it was
just such an honour for me, you know,

1053
01:02:43,857 --> 01:02:45,211
to be amongst these players.

1054
01:02:45,337 --> 01:02:47,852
And when do you expect
to play your first game for Forest?

1055
01:02:47,897 --> 01:02:49,695
When I pick him.

1056
01:02:51,017 --> 01:02:56,137
It wasn't that easy, you know, because
I joined the club in the month of February,

1057
01:02:56,177 --> 01:02:59,056
and it was obviously just over
halfway through the season.

1058
01:02:59,337 --> 01:03:04,412
He wasn't in the team for about three
or four weeks. He was on the bench.

1059
01:03:04,537 --> 01:03:06,017
Do you want them
signing or not? No?

1060
01:03:06,177 --> 01:03:09,011
He's done it.
No, he's done it once. It's done.

1061
01:03:10,257 --> 01:03:15,332
Whoever was sub, if I wanted a cup
of tea, he'll get me a cup of tea.

1062
01:03:15,857 --> 01:03:19,328
<i>And Cloughy walked in with Trevor
behind him. He says, "What are you doing?"</i>

1063
01:03:19,697 --> 01:03:22,531
"Nothing." "What's that in your hand?"
I said, "Cup of tea."

1064
01:03:22,857 --> 01:03:25,929
"Put that back. Put that back."

1065
01:03:26,057 --> 01:03:29,209
So I get up, put it down.
He turned to Trevor and he said,

1066
01:03:29,377 --> 01:03:31,369
"Trevor, you get him a cup of tea.

1067
01:03:31,417 --> 01:03:34,888
<i>"'Cause you've done bugger all for
45 minutes, so that's your job."</i>

1068
01:03:35,057 --> 01:03:41,008
Unpredictable, er, ruthless,
erm, quite brilliant at his job.

1069
01:03:41,417 --> 01:03:45,570
Erm, he could be quite eccentric at times,
but he was bordering on being a genius.

1070
01:03:47,297 --> 01:03:48,777
<i>And you notice straight away</i>

1071
01:03:48,897 --> 01:03:52,368
<i>that Peter Taylor is leading out
Nottingham Forest.</i>

1072
01:03:52,777 --> 01:03:58,250
<i>Where is Brian Clough? It's his right-hand
man Peter Taylor, who gets the honour.</i>

1073
01:03:58,417 --> 01:04:01,455
I discussed it with Peter about a week ago
and I said to him, I said,

1074
01:04:01,577 --> 01:04:04,092
<i>you know, he needs exercise
more than I do, Brian.</i>

1075
01:04:04,137 --> 01:04:07,096
I play squash and he's putting weight
on like... I'm only kidding.

1076
01:04:07,217 --> 01:04:08,571
<i>I discussed it with him
a week ago and I said,</i>

1077
01:04:08,737 --> 01:04:13,254
"It would do you good to get out with them
this time." They wouldn't let us both go out.

1078
01:04:13,737 --> 01:04:15,729
<i>Going all the way... Birtles!</i>

1079
01:04:16,417 --> 01:04:21,811
If it means teaching players good habits, if
it means giving them pride in themselves,

1080
01:04:22,217 --> 01:04:26,416
<i>if it means abiding by a few
little rules and if we have discipline</i>

1081
01:04:26,457 --> 01:04:29,495
<i>running right through the club,
so they can come back at half time</i>

1082
01:04:29,617 --> 01:04:33,247
and win cup finals, then they want me
every day of the week.

1083
01:04:33,577 --> 01:04:36,775
<i>We felt at halftime you know, that
if we could just step it up a little bit,</i>

1084
01:04:36,817 --> 01:04:39,616
we could win the game,
and that's the way it went.

1085
01:04:39,937 --> 01:04:43,567
400 games was it? Or more
for Newcastle and a free transfer in '75.

1086
01:04:43,617 --> 01:04:44,846
You could never have thought that all this

1087
01:04:44,977 --> 01:04:46,570
was gonna happen to you
at Nottingham Forest.

1088
01:04:46,617 --> 01:04:50,770
No, no, I was quite pleased to get fixed
up in the second division at the time.

1089
01:04:50,817 --> 01:04:53,127
Never mind thinking
about coming here, you know?

1090
01:04:53,257 --> 01:04:55,647
<i>I thought Frank Clark was
the best player on the field today.</i>

1091
01:04:55,777 --> 01:05:00,135
His consistency was a credit to him
and an example to everybody else.

1092
01:05:17,177 --> 01:05:21,296
People were saying, "Grasshoppers of Europe
beat Real Madrid." You know, "Come on."

1093
01:05:21,377 --> 01:05:25,291
<i>That's a useful ball and Mayer's
first time ball was meant for Sulzer</i>

1094
01:05:25,337 --> 01:05:29,809
<i>and that wasn't a bad one either
and Sulzer gets in here for Grasshoppers!</i>

1095
01:05:29,857 --> 01:05:33,851
<i>And well, don't say Forest weren't warned.</i>

1096
01:05:34,897 --> 01:05:39,847
Yeah, it was very, very close.
I think it was only like one each,

1097
01:05:39,977 --> 01:05:43,573
<i>it might have been two one to us
with very little time to go.</i>

1098
01:05:43,897 --> 01:05:49,017
<i>There are three minutes
to go and Forest badly want the third goal.</i>

1099
01:05:49,417 --> 01:05:53,013
<i>Here's Gemmill! Archie Gemmill!</i>

1100
01:05:53,697 --> 01:05:57,532
And we nicked two in the last minute to
make it really four-one convincing.

1101
01:05:57,737 --> 01:06:00,855
Gave us a real platform to go over there.

1102
01:06:01,177 --> 01:06:05,569
<i>And boy did we not need those goals?
Really did. They gave us a torrid time.</i>

1103
01:06:05,697 --> 01:06:07,689
<i>I think they scored a penalty
after about 20 minutes.</i>

1104
01:06:07,897 --> 01:06:12,050
<i>Sulzer versus Shilton.
Yes! Grasshoppers one-nothing...</i>

1105
01:06:12,097 --> 01:06:15,568
It was very, very hostile
surprisingly, for me, in Zurich.

1106
01:06:15,737 --> 01:06:21,176
I didn't expect the Swiss to be as volatile
as they were on the night.

1107
01:06:21,257 --> 01:06:24,887
<i>It was hard work out
playing there. It really was.</i>

1108
01:06:25,057 --> 01:06:28,846
John would get the ball on the left hand
side, as he was entitled to get it,

1109
01:06:28,897 --> 01:06:34,017
<i>because he was a genius. My job was
to try and get into the back post.</i>

1110
01:06:34,297 --> 01:06:38,894
I'm doing all these runs back and
forward there. No one has noticed these.

1111
01:06:38,937 --> 01:06:42,897
I'm every bit as tired as, as they are,
where you're doing the work down there,

1112
01:06:43,057 --> 01:06:46,607
but I have to do all this, called doggies
in the game. So Clough and Taylor

1113
01:06:46,737 --> 01:06:50,526
<i>were roaring at me in this game against
Grasshoppers to get into the penalty area.</i>

1114
01:06:50,577 --> 01:06:53,137
...<i>with the cross,
O'Neill! Yes!</i>

1115
01:06:53,257 --> 01:06:56,091
<i>Well, that has shocked the crowd here.</i>

1116
01:06:56,217 --> 01:06:59,813
They were full of praise for me getting
into the penalty area in the first place,

1117
01:06:59,937 --> 01:07:03,931
right into the penalty box, but I think
they were particularly pleased themselves

1118
01:07:03,977 --> 01:07:08,096
that they had told me to get in there
and said that if they hadn't done,

1119
01:07:08,137 --> 01:07:11,130
I might not have done it. I would
have done, 'cause that's what I did.

1120
01:07:24,617 --> 01:07:25,607
I know you always try

1121
01:07:25,737 --> 01:07:28,457
and keep your feet on the ground
at this club, but are you not beginning

1122
01:07:28,497 --> 01:07:32,411
to think about the possibility of really
winning the European Cup outright now?

1123
01:07:33,137 --> 01:07:37,450
We, we always, we always think of
winning any competition we're in.

1124
01:07:37,577 --> 01:07:41,014
It suits us actually to be playing the
Germans in one sense of the word,

1125
01:07:41,137 --> 01:07:45,609
because I think they play nearest to English
football out of anybody that we know.

1126
01:07:45,657 --> 01:07:49,492
Erm, how they'll compare to Liverpool, I
don't quite know. I don't think they'll be

1127
01:07:49,537 --> 01:07:53,326
as good as Liverpool, 'cause I think
Liverpool are as good a side in Europe

1128
01:07:53,457 --> 01:07:55,847
as they have proved in the last two years.

1129
01:07:55,977 --> 01:07:57,536
So, from your point of view,

1130
01:07:57,657 --> 01:07:59,808
what worries would
you have playing Cologne?

1131
01:07:59,977 --> 01:08:04,654
The build up to the game, it's England
against Germany, so it's, it's gonna be, er,

1132
01:08:04,697 --> 01:08:05,813
<i>nip and tuck.</i>

1133
01:08:05,857 --> 01:08:10,329
Cologne were the best team in Germany
and favourites to win the title

1134
01:08:10,457 --> 01:08:12,176
<i>after Real Madrid had gone out.</i>

1135
01:08:12,337 --> 01:08:16,331
<i>You're playing in the semi-final
of the European Cup</i>

1136
01:08:16,457 --> 01:08:18,130
<i>and it's moments like this here
that you thought,</i>

1137
01:08:18,177 --> 01:08:21,853
"Well I wonder how Puskas and Di Stefano and
all those players all felt about matches."

1138
01:08:21,897 --> 01:08:26,210
<i>It is essential you do well at
home. All is not lost if you don't win</i>

1139
01:08:26,337 --> 01:08:30,854
by a two, or three, four goal margin, but
it is essential you put up a good display

1140
01:08:30,977 --> 01:08:33,572
and take a lead to the opposition's camp.

1141
01:08:33,697 --> 01:08:40,046
And the one thing we'll have to conquer, and
we didn't do it against Zurich was our nerves.

1142
01:08:40,537 --> 01:08:44,975
I don't think on the night I've ever been
so ready to play football.

1143
01:08:45,057 --> 01:08:50,894
Peter had gone to see Cologne play
and he said, "Listen, don't fear them."

1144
01:08:51,017 --> 01:08:56,536
I think the English player pound for pound,
temperament wise, skill wise, physical wise,

1145
01:08:56,657 --> 01:08:59,172
I think is the best in the world,
without a shadow of a doubt.

1146
01:08:59,257 --> 01:09:00,930
He said,
"The two things I look at,

1147
01:09:01,097 --> 01:09:02,690
<i>"Can they head the ball?
They can't head the ball.</i>

1148
01:09:02,737 --> 01:09:05,206
"Are they quick? No.

1149
01:09:05,257 --> 01:09:07,408
"They've got no pace in the team."
He said, "We'll murder them."

1150
01:09:07,577 --> 01:09:10,172
<i>It's Kanaka,
Muller is free over the far side.</i>

1151
01:09:10,217 --> 01:09:12,413
Has he seen him?
Yes he has.

1152
01:09:12,457 --> 01:09:16,610
I started the game as a left back
and Archie Gemmill got injured,

1153
01:09:16,737 --> 01:09:18,694
I went into midfield and Frank came on.

1154
01:09:18,737 --> 01:09:20,376
And we were all over the
place, defensively.

1155
01:09:20,737 --> 01:09:22,091
<i>Our normal game is you know,</i>

1156
01:09:22,257 --> 01:09:25,409
we'll hustle the opposition,
we'll rush them off their feet.

1157
01:09:25,537 --> 01:09:28,211
But, I didn't realise
how good Cologne were on the break.

1158
01:09:28,257 --> 01:09:30,408
<i>They're the quickest team
we've ever played,</i>

1159
01:09:30,537 --> 01:09:32,768
and the pitch has not
bothered them one jot.

1160
01:09:32,937 --> 01:09:35,406
I think we almost gave a
collective look over to Taylor.

1161
01:09:35,537 --> 01:09:38,371
As if to say, "What are you on about?"

1162
01:09:39,457 --> 01:09:42,097
<i>Through ball for Glowacz.</i>

1163
01:09:42,137 --> 01:09:45,767
<i>Glowacz being chased by Needham,
that's a good ball into Van Gool.</i>

1164
01:09:45,897 --> 01:09:47,934
<i>Good drive and a goal!</i>

1165
01:09:47,977 --> 01:09:49,093
<i>Yes!</i>

1166
01:09:50,057 --> 01:09:53,494
<i>Van Gool, and that is a dramatic goal.</i>

1167
01:09:54,297 --> 01:09:56,050
<i>And once again Cologne break,</i>

1168
01:09:56,097 --> 01:09:58,896
<i>and the long striding
Herbert Neumann has a look,</i>

1169
01:09:58,937 --> 01:10:01,497
<i>and finds Van Gool and he's all right.</i>

1170
01:10:01,617 --> 01:10:04,496
<i>It's one against one, Van
Gool against Shilton</i>

1171
01:10:04,617 --> 01:10:07,655
<i>and now it's Muller to
score goal number two.</i>

1172
01:10:07,777 --> 01:10:11,293
<i>Oh, my goodness me,
Forest are in real trouble.</i>

1173
01:10:11,417 --> 01:10:12,817
Two-nil down, that was a shock.

1174
01:10:13,577 --> 01:10:15,728
You know, maybe we're not as good
as we think we are.

1175
01:10:15,777 --> 01:10:18,451
<i>We've chucked everything at them,
but we're two-nil down.</i>

1176
01:10:18,497 --> 01:10:21,649
<i>Two break aways,
and I was just in a daze really.</i>

1177
01:10:22,577 --> 01:10:24,296
And there was just so much
going on in the game,

1178
01:10:24,417 --> 01:10:25,567
it was end to end.

1179
01:10:25,657 --> 01:10:27,011
It was gonna be a goal,
it was going to be a goal.

1180
01:10:27,137 --> 01:10:31,848
Everything that,
that you thought football could be.

1181
01:10:33,297 --> 01:10:34,936
<i>I think Roger Van Gool went through,</i>

1182
01:10:34,977 --> 01:10:36,809
<i>and he clipped it just wide of the post.</i>

1183
01:10:36,857 --> 01:10:39,167
'Cause we would have been
dead and buried at three, I'm sure.

1184
01:10:39,337 --> 01:10:41,294
<i>He's in for a chance...</i>

1185
01:10:41,337 --> 01:10:43,693
<i>Oh, and he's just wide!</i>

1186
01:10:43,817 --> 01:10:46,377
<i>And he holds his head in his hands.</i>

1187
01:10:48,497 --> 01:10:51,012
Again, all we need is one goal
and we'll get back in the match.

1188
01:10:55,057 --> 01:10:56,969
<i>Needham...</i>

1189
01:10:57,657 --> 01:10:59,614
<i>And it's looking for Birtles!</i>

1190
01:10:59,657 --> 01:11:02,616
<i>And that was a beautiful goal
from Garry Birtles.</i>

1191
01:11:02,657 --> 01:11:04,376
We got a goal back just before half time.

1192
01:11:04,697 --> 01:11:07,815
...<i>scored his first
European Cup goal against Liverpool.</i>

1193
01:11:07,857 --> 01:11:09,894
<i>Two-one now to Cologne.</i>

1194
01:11:10,217 --> 01:11:11,731
I scored a goal.

1195
01:11:11,857 --> 01:11:14,167
<i>Good chip...
Birtles knocks it down...</i>

1196
01:11:14,217 --> 01:11:16,686
<i>And Bowyer scores the goal!</i>

1197
01:11:17,977 --> 01:11:21,175
<i>Beautifully constructed
goal for Ian Bowyer.</i>

1198
01:11:21,337 --> 01:11:24,250
<i>This man of all parts, man of all seasons.</i>

1199
01:11:24,657 --> 01:11:25,977
<i>It's two-two.</i>

1200
01:11:26,257 --> 01:11:28,374
John Robertson believe it, or not,
scored with a header.

1201
01:11:29,657 --> 01:11:32,411
<i>Here's Woodcock... McGovern...</i>

1202
01:11:32,537 --> 01:11:34,335
<i>There goes Birtles...</i>

1203
01:11:36,377 --> 01:11:37,697
<i>Turns and oh, it's great!</i>

1204
01:11:37,817 --> 01:11:39,376
<i>And a superb goal!</i>

1205
01:11:39,497 --> 01:11:41,056
<i>John Robertson!</i>

1206
01:11:42,057 --> 01:11:43,571
He never heads a goal in his life,

1207
01:11:43,697 --> 01:11:46,371
and he's dived full length,
diving header, in the bottom corner.

1208
01:11:46,497 --> 01:11:47,772
So you think,
"Something's happening here."

1209
01:11:48,377 --> 01:11:51,893
<i>What a fantastic goal by John Robertson.</i>

1210
01:11:52,057 --> 01:11:56,768
<i>Three-two Nottingham Forest.
17 minutes into the second half.</i>

1211
01:11:58,457 --> 01:12:02,770
<i>Cologne wants to make a substitution
and bring on their Japanese international.</i>

1212
01:12:05,297 --> 01:12:08,574
<i>I hadn't really had a lot to do,
even though I'd let two goals in.</i>

1213
01:12:08,737 --> 01:12:10,569
I remember he got the ball
on the edge of the box

1214
01:12:10,617 --> 01:12:13,530
towards the end of the game
and he turned and hit a shot...

1215
01:12:17,737 --> 01:12:19,729
...and I was expecting it to skid.

1216
01:12:21,777 --> 01:12:24,895
<i>Oh! Oh, my goodness me!</i>

1217
01:12:24,937 --> 01:12:27,736
<i>What a way to come on as a substitute.</i>

1218
01:12:32,297 --> 01:12:34,289
<i>It's a bad goal to give away.</i>

1219
01:12:34,417 --> 01:12:35,817
<i>It's a terrible moment.</i>

1220
01:12:35,937 --> 01:12:38,657
But from the position
that we were in at two-nil,

1221
01:12:38,977 --> 01:12:41,048
we would have taken the three-three.

1222
01:12:41,897 --> 01:12:43,616
Just couldn't believe it.
Absolutely gutted.

1223
01:12:43,657 --> 01:12:50,097
I am content with this result. I think
it is a good basis for the next leg.

1224
01:12:50,457 --> 01:12:53,131
<i>A three-three draw,
in one of the best atmospheres</i>

1225
01:12:53,177 --> 01:12:56,295
<i>I think I ever remember
playing at The City Ground.</i>

1226
01:12:56,737 --> 01:12:58,410
Just an incredible atmosphere that night.

1227
01:12:58,617 --> 01:13:02,770
<i>I honestly felt,
when I've come in, that I'd played in</i>

1228
01:13:04,337 --> 01:13:07,933
just about the most
atmospheric game imaginable.

1229
01:13:08,617 --> 01:13:10,609
<i>I must admit though,
it was a bit embarrassing,</i>

1230
01:13:10,697 --> 01:13:12,689
<i>the next morning
when I picked the newspaper up,</i>

1231
01:13:12,817 --> 01:13:16,333
and the headline went,
"Japanese sub sinks Shilton."

1232
01:13:16,697 --> 01:13:19,087
Despite us, you know,
managing to get back into the game

1233
01:13:19,137 --> 01:13:21,606
and drawing the game,
because they've scored three away goals,

1234
01:13:21,657 --> 01:13:24,252
we've got to go and win, in Cologne.

1235
01:13:41,777 --> 01:13:44,849
We're despondent obviously,
not going to Cologne with a lead,

1236
01:13:44,977 --> 01:13:46,969
but far from out of any competition.

1237
01:13:47,017 --> 01:13:49,293
This is where Cloughy comes into his own.

1238
01:13:49,337 --> 01:13:51,488
He says, "Listen, this
game is not over yet."

1239
01:13:51,537 --> 01:13:54,848
He says, "Don't anybody be so silly
to think we're out of this.

1240
01:13:54,977 --> 01:13:56,457
"We'll go there and win."

1241
01:13:56,657 --> 01:13:59,331
I hope anybody's not stupid enough
to write us off.

1242
01:13:59,497 --> 01:14:00,817
<i>And that was it.</i>

1243
01:14:00,857 --> 01:14:03,008
A lingering stare into the camera,

1244
01:14:03,057 --> 01:14:05,367
just to make sure everybody's got it,
you know?

1245
01:14:05,497 --> 01:14:07,375
<i>I really thought he meant it.</i>

1246
01:14:07,417 --> 01:14:09,568
<i>And he kept on saying it to us.</i>

1247
01:14:09,697 --> 01:14:11,131
<i>"We'll win out there. No problem."</i>

1248
01:14:11,217 --> 01:14:12,810
We always think we can win.

1249
01:14:12,857 --> 01:14:14,814
Genuinely, we always think we can win.

1250
01:14:14,857 --> 01:14:20,057
And the way they defended
having got two goal start,

1251
01:14:20,097 --> 01:14:22,089
they didn't over impress us either.

1252
01:14:22,217 --> 01:14:24,095
It was always, "You're better than them."

1253
01:14:24,217 --> 01:14:27,688
It made you feel a million dollars you
know, "We are better than the opposition."

1254
01:14:27,737 --> 01:14:29,330
We did believe we could get a result.

1255
01:14:29,377 --> 01:14:31,494
We're gonna win this game.
We're gonna go through to the final.

1256
01:14:31,537 --> 01:14:33,893
That's the only language
they understand, sir.

1257
01:14:33,937 --> 01:14:36,008
You see, they don't like it up 'em,
they do not like it up 'em.

1258
01:14:48,417 --> 01:14:51,569
You don't think
it'll go wrong then, like it did at home.

1259
01:14:51,617 --> 01:14:53,051
By hell, I hope not!

1260
01:14:53,217 --> 01:14:55,607
I've had enough of three
goals going past us

1261
01:14:55,737 --> 01:14:58,855
to last me to the next five years,
let alone the next match.

1262
01:15:03,097 --> 01:15:05,612
<i>The referee,
Nicola Serenier of Romania,</i>

1263
01:15:05,737 --> 01:15:07,569
<i>gets the second leg under way,</i>

1264
01:15:07,697 --> 01:15:11,771
<i>with Forest commencing a straightforward,
if not simple task.</i>

1265
01:15:12,137 --> 01:15:15,050
<i>They need their 13th away win of the season</i>

1266
01:15:15,097 --> 01:15:17,134
<i>and they have 90 minutes to achieve it.</i>

1267
01:15:17,257 --> 01:15:21,774
By the time that we got to Germany,
we felt that if we don't concede early,

1268
01:15:21,817 --> 01:15:24,127
we will, we can win this game.

1269
01:15:25,097 --> 01:15:26,292
<i>Muller...</i>

1270
01:15:26,457 --> 01:15:29,928
They had a chance really early on,
with a boy called Dieter Muller.

1271
01:15:29,977 --> 01:15:31,616
- And he missed the target.
<i>- Oh!</i>

1272
01:15:31,737 --> 01:15:34,457
Again, it's a cup match
and you need all the rub of the green.

1273
01:15:34,497 --> 01:15:35,613
We were under the cosh.

1274
01:15:35,737 --> 01:15:37,808
<i>It's all about concentration
at the highest level.</i>

1275
01:15:37,937 --> 01:15:40,452
If you switch off,
lose concentration for a second,

1276
01:15:40,497 --> 01:15:42,170
you get torn apart.

1277
01:15:42,297 --> 01:15:43,777
They only needed the draw,

1278
01:15:43,817 --> 01:15:46,616
<i>or one-one or two-two,
was still good enough for them.</i>

1279
01:15:46,737 --> 01:15:49,571
I'm not sure that they knew after a while,
what to do themselves

1280
01:15:49,617 --> 01:15:52,849
and I think that we sensed
that uncertainty about them

1281
01:15:52,977 --> 01:15:54,297
<i>during the course of the match.</i>

1282
01:15:54,417 --> 01:15:57,569
<i>It put a doubt in their minds,
you know."How shall we approach this?</i>

1283
01:15:57,617 --> 01:16:00,655
<i>"We're at home, shall we go
and play our usual game,</i>

1284
01:16:00,697 --> 01:16:03,769
<i>"where we have to take the initiative
and attack teams,</i>

1285
01:16:03,817 --> 01:16:07,606
<i>"and risk conceding a goal, or shall
we just sit back and keep it tight?"</i>

1286
01:16:07,657 --> 01:16:10,092
<i>And sometimes those things
can play on people's minds.</i>

1287
01:16:10,137 --> 01:16:13,335
I've seen it happen many,
many times in two-leg football.

1288
01:16:13,377 --> 01:16:16,654
<i>O'Neill!
Oh, he really thumped that.</i>

1289
01:16:17,657 --> 01:16:21,776
<i>Really got hold of that Martin O'Neill
and came in very sharply.</i>

1290
01:16:22,617 --> 01:16:23,971
<i>As we reach half time...</i>

1291
01:16:24,137 --> 01:16:27,528
<i>Forest in going for the victory
that they must have,</i>

1292
01:16:28,697 --> 01:16:31,849
<i>got to guard against
leaving themselves too bare at the back.</i>

1293
01:16:31,977 --> 01:16:34,173
<i>The game swings from one end, to the other.</i>

1294
01:16:34,297 --> 01:16:38,814
<i>But they've got to gamble because
they need the victory, Cologne don't.</i>

1295
01:16:39,017 --> 01:16:41,532
<i>And he hits it straight at Shilton.</i>

1296
01:16:41,897 --> 01:16:45,174
<i>We played well
as a unit who had to defend</i>

1297
01:16:45,297 --> 01:16:48,893
when we needed to defend, but we still
had that ability to get a goal.

1298
01:16:50,657 --> 01:16:52,694
<i>Cologne in their fifth European semi-final.</i>

1299
01:16:52,817 --> 01:16:55,013
<i>They've never been further.</i>

1300
01:16:55,137 --> 01:16:57,413
<i>And here,
we get the chance for the corner kick.</i>

1301
01:16:57,537 --> 01:17:00,371
We might not be able to force
that many great openings

1302
01:17:00,497 --> 01:17:03,376
during the course of the match,
this is an opportunity.

1303
01:17:03,497 --> 01:17:04,851
<i>They look a little bit worried.</i>

1304
01:17:04,977 --> 01:17:07,890
John Robertson took the corner
and chipped it into the near post.

1305
01:17:08,057 --> 01:17:10,413
Garry Birtles has just got
in front of the defender...

1306
01:17:11,257 --> 01:17:13,897
And I headed the thing into the net.

1307
01:17:13,937 --> 01:17:16,372
<i>There's Bowyer!
Yes, he's done it!</i>

1308
01:17:16,417 --> 01:17:19,091
One-nil, that's all we need.
One goal's enough for us.

1309
01:17:19,897 --> 01:17:21,934
I actually misheaded it,
but don't tell anybody.

1310
01:17:22,057 --> 01:17:24,208
...<i>played in so many places
for Nottingham Forest.</i>

1311
01:17:24,337 --> 01:17:25,566
You can sense that victory.

1312
01:17:32,537 --> 01:17:38,249
Holding on to the last 20 minutes, erm,
was something that I felt

1313
01:17:38,377 --> 01:17:41,017
<i>we were as strong as
any side in Europe to do.</i>

1314
01:17:41,057 --> 01:17:43,208
<i>The referee looking at his watch,</i>

1315
01:17:43,257 --> 01:17:47,410
<i>and Nottingham Forest are
in the European Cup Final.</i>

1316
01:17:47,457 --> 01:17:49,733
<i>Having beaten Liverpool,</i>

1317
01:17:49,857 --> 01:17:53,567
<i>they've carried on from there
to keep the English flag in the final,</i>

1318
01:17:53,697 --> 01:17:54,926
<i>for the third year running.</i>

1319
01:17:54,977 --> 01:17:58,095
That one-nil win in Cologne to me,

1320
01:17:58,137 --> 01:18:01,414
was as important as any game
we played in Europe.

1321
01:18:02,537 --> 01:18:05,928
It's what it meant, you know,
every round was a new adventure.

1322
01:18:05,977 --> 01:18:09,254
Every round it was the furthest,
obviously, that the club had ever been.

1323
01:18:09,377 --> 01:18:13,257
...<i>by Ian Bowyer
in the 64th minute of the match.</i>

1324
01:18:13,617 --> 01:18:17,816
It was unreal. It was unreal. It was...
Everybody was living in a dream.

1325
01:18:17,937 --> 01:18:20,771
<i>Two or three seasons before,
we were in the second division.</i>

1326
01:18:21,257 --> 01:18:22,486
Mid-table, second division team.

1327
01:18:23,177 --> 01:18:26,773
It's, you know, it's just unheard of.
It really is fairy-tale stuff.

1328
01:18:29,457 --> 01:18:30,652
<i>He's done it!</i>

1329
01:18:30,777 --> 01:18:31,972
After we played in Nottingham,

1330
01:18:32,017 --> 01:18:33,815
not many people thought
we were going to do it,

1331
01:18:33,977 --> 01:18:35,297
but I did.

1332
01:18:35,417 --> 01:18:37,090
Deep down you were still sure?

1333
01:18:37,137 --> 01:18:40,448
Well I said to you after the match,
that anybody who thought

1334
01:18:40,577 --> 01:18:42,614
we were out of this
competition were stupid.

1335
01:18:42,657 --> 01:18:44,489
I hope he doesn't mean us!

1336
01:18:57,297 --> 01:19:00,529
I thought to myself, "Well that's
it, I'm playing in a cup final."

1337
01:19:07,137 --> 01:19:09,493
<i>I always remembered
the European Cup Final in 1960.</i>

1338
01:19:09,617 --> 01:19:12,212
<i>Real Madrid versus, er, Eintract Frankfurt.</i>

1339
01:19:12,337 --> 01:19:16,650
<i>Dominguez, Marquitos, Pachin,
Vidal, Santamaria, Zarraga, Canario,</i>

1340
01:19:16,697 --> 01:19:18,848
Del Sol, Di St�fano, Puskas, Gento.

1341
01:19:18,977 --> 01:19:20,331
And Puskas scoring four.

1342
01:19:22,017 --> 01:19:25,852
I thought European Cups were for him,
and people like him.

1343
01:19:25,897 --> 01:19:28,492
<i>I'm from Glasgow
and I played in the streets</i>

1344
01:19:28,537 --> 01:19:32,372
and never ever in my lifetime did I ever
think I'd get to a European Cup Final.

1345
01:19:32,537 --> 01:19:34,654
<i>God, you think
you could be European champions.</i>

1346
01:19:34,697 --> 01:19:36,370
It's something you dream about.

1347
01:19:39,217 --> 01:19:40,412
<i>We were favourites, you know.</i>

1348
01:19:40,537 --> 01:19:45,896
<i>Going into it, the pressure was on us
and, you know, it was gonna be a real test.</i>

1349
01:19:46,017 --> 01:19:49,215
<i>It's difficult
to remember your actual feelings,</i>

1350
01:19:49,257 --> 01:19:51,817
<i>because you're kind of
thinking about, okay,</i>

1351
01:19:51,857 --> 01:19:53,655
<i>we're going to Munich
for the European Cup Final.</i>

1352
01:19:53,697 --> 01:19:56,690
<i>First thing I wanna make sure is
that I'm in the side.</i>

1353
01:19:56,737 --> 01:19:58,330
Am I gonna be playing?

1354
01:19:58,377 --> 01:20:00,255
Because there's always
competition for places.

1355
01:20:05,217 --> 01:20:08,733
<i>I think it was something like
our 70th game, or something, of the season.</i>

1356
01:20:09,537 --> 01:20:12,894
And we only had a squad of 15 or 16,
you know, erm...

1357
01:20:14,057 --> 01:20:18,017
All this resting players
and picking a totally different team

1358
01:20:18,057 --> 01:20:21,095
<i>for one game after the other, that was...
That never happened in those days.</i>

1359
01:20:21,217 --> 01:20:27,407
<i>This rotation business that
we have, erm... It wasn't for us.</i>

1360
01:20:27,457 --> 01:20:31,610
You became massively disappointed
if you were left out for a minute.

1361
01:20:31,737 --> 01:20:33,615
<i>You became every bit as disappointed,</i>

1362
01:20:33,737 --> 01:20:36,696
<i>if you were ever taken off
in a game as well too, you know.</i>

1363
01:20:36,737 --> 01:20:38,091
You've gotta play in finals.

1364
01:20:38,137 --> 01:20:41,926
If you're not playing in it,
then no point in celebrating.

1365
01:20:41,977 --> 01:20:43,616
<i>All right, you're happy for everybody,</i>

1366
01:20:43,737 --> 01:20:46,730
<i>but if you're not actually playing in it,
then you're not part of it.</i>

1367
01:20:46,777 --> 01:20:48,769
We knew Trevor was gonna play.

1368
01:20:48,817 --> 01:20:51,377
That was the first game in Europe
that he was eligible for.

1369
01:20:51,417 --> 01:20:52,771
<i>There was no doubt that he was gonna play.</i>

1370
01:20:52,897 --> 01:20:54,616
<i>I've got something
to thank UEFA for,</i>

1371
01:20:54,657 --> 01:21:00,096
because the rules permitted anyone
that signed when I signed,

1372
01:21:00,217 --> 01:21:04,257
during the season, if the team progressed
to the final, they could play in the final.

1373
01:21:04,417 --> 01:21:07,728
<i>Myself, Martin O'Neill
and Archie, Archie Gemmill,</i>

1374
01:21:07,777 --> 01:21:09,973
had all had niggling injuries.

1375
01:21:10,097 --> 01:21:11,929
<i>Nothing serious, but niggling injuries.</i>

1376
01:21:11,977 --> 01:21:17,257
I got injured in the first leg of
the semi-final, and he said to me,

1377
01:21:17,297 --> 01:21:22,452
"If you get yourself fit son,
you'll play in the final. If you're not..."

1378
01:21:22,577 --> 01:21:25,092
<i>I got myself fit.</i>

1379
01:21:25,857 --> 01:21:28,133
The three of us were training
and we were all looking at each other

1380
01:21:28,177 --> 01:21:30,772
<i>because we all knew
we had a chance of playing.</i>

1381
01:21:30,817 --> 01:21:33,969
<i>I could play left back,
and Ian Bowyer would be in midfield,</i>

1382
01:21:34,097 --> 01:21:37,295
<i>and Trevor would be wide on the right,
and that would be the team.</i>

1383
01:21:37,417 --> 01:21:39,852
I never knew that I was
gonna play in that final,

1384
01:21:39,977 --> 01:21:41,855
<i>up until the day of the game.</i>

1385
01:21:41,977 --> 01:21:45,971
<i>Clough actually
walked past me, and quietly said to me,</i>

1386
01:21:46,097 --> 01:21:47,770
<i>"I was gonna have
a game of tennis with you today,</i>

1387
01:21:47,817 --> 01:21:49,376
<i>"but you're playing tomorrow."</i>

1388
01:21:49,497 --> 01:21:50,647
Quietly.

1389
01:21:50,777 --> 01:21:52,496
<i>Martin could
look at the team and think well,</i>

1390
01:21:52,617 --> 01:21:53,971
<i>"Trevor's gonna play, so I won't be there.</i>

1391
01:21:54,137 --> 01:21:57,653
<i>"Well I could play in central midfield
and Ian Bowyer could play at left back."</i>

1392
01:21:57,817 --> 01:21:59,012
And Archie was thinking the same,

1393
01:21:59,137 --> 01:22:03,211
"Well I can play in midfield
and Ian Bowyer can play left back."

1394
01:22:03,777 --> 01:22:06,337
<i>And fortunately, he had picked me.</i>

1395
01:22:07,697 --> 01:22:11,373
<i>Both players
have told the manager they're 100% fit.</i>

1396
01:22:11,497 --> 01:22:15,889
<i>He says, "Well, that's great news,
because you're both on the bench."</i>

1397
01:22:16,497 --> 01:22:20,047
When he announced the team
and I wasn't in it,

1398
01:22:20,977 --> 01:22:24,049
<i>there were very harsh words said by both.</i>

1399
01:22:24,857 --> 01:22:28,737
He went with Frank,
'cause Frank was closer to fitness.

1400
01:22:28,857 --> 01:22:32,009
Archie and Martin were
devastated, obviously.

1401
01:22:32,137 --> 01:22:34,527
Archie so bad that he
left the club, you know.

1402
01:22:34,657 --> 01:22:36,694
He didn't play another game for Forest.

1403
01:22:36,817 --> 01:22:39,730
He got rid of me the following season,
to Birmingham.

1404
01:22:44,537 --> 01:22:46,893
<i>I would have been devastated.</i>

1405
01:22:47,017 --> 01:22:50,374
I mean, I was really sorry for the two lads
'cause you know, I like them both,

1406
01:22:50,497 --> 01:22:53,012
but you know, that's life really.

1407
01:23:01,377 --> 01:23:03,209
<i>I was very fortunate.</i>

1408
01:23:03,257 --> 01:23:08,412
You know, to have that opportunity
of making my debut in Europe,

1409
01:23:08,457 --> 01:23:10,369
in a European competition, in the final.

1410
01:23:46,617 --> 01:23:49,610
You have to remember, again, I came in '73

1411
01:23:49,657 --> 01:23:54,448
where Forest's average attendance would be
something, only like 12,000 or 13,000,

1412
01:23:54,577 --> 01:23:58,617
and there were 20,000 people
who'd made the journey to Munich.

1413
01:23:59,617 --> 01:24:02,291
<i>So many tales
about people getting to the final.</i>

1414
01:24:02,337 --> 01:24:06,126
<i>My own brother, you know,
he worked for Rolls Royce.</i>

1415
01:24:06,177 --> 01:24:08,976
He jumped a cargo plane in Bristol.

1416
01:24:09,497 --> 01:24:11,295
<i>I've been surprised, you know,</i>

1417
01:24:11,337 --> 01:24:15,126
<i>in years gone by
just at how many football supporters,</i>

1418
01:24:15,177 --> 01:24:16,850
<i>not necessarily
Nottingham Forest supporters,</i>

1419
01:24:16,977 --> 01:24:19,173
<i>who actually came to
support Nottingham Forest.</i>

1420
01:24:19,297 --> 01:24:24,656
<i>People hitching, people cycling,
people going to these European matches.</i>

1421
01:24:24,697 --> 01:24:27,257
And I think the city grew up with the team.

1422
01:24:27,297 --> 01:24:28,651
The weather was fabulous.

1423
01:24:28,777 --> 01:24:32,657
I'm sure there were literally hundreds
of Nottingham people

1424
01:24:32,697 --> 01:24:36,168
<i>that slept in the grounds
of the Olympic Stadium in Munich.</i>

1425
01:24:36,337 --> 01:24:37,612
<i>As we look round the stadium now,</i>

1426
01:24:37,657 --> 01:24:39,808
<i>we can see that they're outnumbering
the supporters of Malmo.</i>

1427
01:24:39,937 --> 01:24:41,815
<i>Something like two to one.</i>

1428
01:24:41,857 --> 01:24:44,929
They are very conscious, as I said,
that they carry the torch,

1429
01:24:44,977 --> 01:24:49,290
and they intend to be the third English
side to win this European Cup.

1430
01:24:49,337 --> 01:24:50,691
And that will be a record.

1431
01:24:50,817 --> 01:24:54,049
<i>We're all sat about,
waiting for the last one to come down.</i>

1432
01:24:54,177 --> 01:24:55,896
<i>And that last one was Garry Birtles.</i>

1433
01:24:56,017 --> 01:24:58,054
<i>Garry comes down and he's not shaving,</i>

1434
01:24:58,177 --> 01:25:01,215
<i>he's got a couple of days growth,
or whatever, again.</i>

1435
01:25:02,017 --> 01:25:03,815
<i>And Brian Clough said to him...</i>

1436
01:25:03,857 --> 01:25:05,849
"What's that on your face?"
I said, "What do you mean?"

1437
01:25:05,897 --> 01:25:08,014
He said, "Round your chin."

1438
01:25:08,177 --> 01:25:12,217
"When I sweat and I've had a shave,
you know, I get really sore,

1439
01:25:12,377 --> 01:25:14,687
"and it irritates me and it distracts me."

1440
01:25:14,817 --> 01:25:17,696
"Get upstairs, and get it shaved off now!"

1441
01:25:17,737 --> 01:25:20,377
"Five minutes, otherwise
you're not playing."

1442
01:25:21,537 --> 01:25:22,812
He was back within five minutes.

1443
01:25:22,857 --> 01:25:26,055
He's got a piece of paper here,
piece of paper there, piece of paper there.

1444
01:25:26,697 --> 01:25:28,848
It was lucky
he hadn't cut his throat really.

1445
01:25:29,017 --> 01:25:30,497
<i>I think that was done purposely.</i>

1446
01:25:30,537 --> 01:25:32,210
<i>He can see how nervous you are.</i>

1447
01:25:32,337 --> 01:25:35,250
<i>Said, "Right I've gotta take him out
of the situation he's in at the moment.</i>

1448
01:25:35,377 --> 01:25:37,050
<i>"Just take his mind off it."</i>

1449
01:25:37,097 --> 01:25:38,850
Again, great man management.

1450
01:25:38,897 --> 01:25:41,731
<i>We talked,
I was gonna say very little.</i>

1451
01:25:41,777 --> 01:25:44,736
<i>We talked, in fact,
not at all about the opposition.</i>

1452
01:25:44,777 --> 01:25:47,087
What an atmosphere.
What a time.

1453
01:25:47,537 --> 01:25:51,087
<i>You know, the pitch was magnificent.
Everything was magnificent.</i>

1454
01:25:51,217 --> 01:25:53,049
<i>It's called the Foehn.</i>

1455
01:25:53,177 --> 01:25:56,534
<i>And it's a hot wind that
comes down from the mountains</i>

1456
01:25:56,577 --> 01:25:59,695
<i>that changes the atmosphere
a little bit and stuff like that.</i>

1457
01:25:59,737 --> 01:26:01,774
And it was a really sticky night.

1458
01:26:02,457 --> 01:26:05,211
<i>And I just felt that, you know,</i>

1459
01:26:05,257 --> 01:26:09,888
I had to justify my selection,
by playing at an extra level.

1460
01:26:10,457 --> 01:26:12,733
...<i>with Nottingham Forest</i>

1461
01:26:12,777 --> 01:26:17,932
<i>about to get
the 24th European Cup Final underway.</i>

1462
01:26:19,137 --> 01:26:23,529
<i>Attacking the goal to the right
and lining up with two forwards,</i>

1463
01:26:23,577 --> 01:26:26,649
<i>although Robertson was out on the far side.</i>

1464
01:26:27,097 --> 01:26:28,656
<i>Here's Birtles...</i>

1465
01:26:29,937 --> 01:26:34,216
The land of the giants they were. All
over six foot, managed by an Englishman.

1466
01:26:34,257 --> 01:26:37,091
Very well organised.
Really difficult to break down.

1467
01:26:39,097 --> 01:26:42,056
I think they had one half chance
when, on a rare attack,

1468
01:26:42,097 --> 01:26:46,137
Kenny Burns, who was magnificent,
made a rare error

1469
01:26:46,177 --> 01:26:47,657
<i>when he misheaded a header back to me,</i>

1470
01:26:47,777 --> 01:26:49,655
<i>and one of their players got in between us.</i>

1471
01:26:49,777 --> 01:26:52,975
<i>Burns...
Oh he's given it away to Kinnvall!</i>

1472
01:26:53,017 --> 01:26:55,612
<i>And rescued by Shilton.</i>

1473
01:26:55,697 --> 01:26:58,610
<i>Kenny Burns definitely in two minds then.</i>

1474
01:26:59,177 --> 01:27:01,646
<i>Woodcock again, full of industry.</i>

1475
01:27:03,617 --> 01:27:05,654
<i>That's McGovern's shot!</i>

1476
01:27:08,217 --> 01:27:10,573
<i>The most cleanly hit shot of the night.</i>

1477
01:27:10,657 --> 01:27:14,810
Well, I remember the ball being
played out wide to John Robertson.

1478
01:27:14,857 --> 01:27:18,294
<i>And I was probably a good 40 yards
you know, from goal.</i>

1479
01:27:18,417 --> 01:27:23,537
I felt as if that was the first time
in the half, or up until that point,

1480
01:27:24,137 --> 01:27:28,051
<i>where I got a ball
from longer than five, 10 yards away.</i>

1481
01:27:28,577 --> 01:27:30,853
And it nearly went out of play.
I nearly never kept it in.

1482
01:27:31,177 --> 01:27:34,170
Malmo had doubled up on him,
so they put two players on him.

1483
01:27:34,257 --> 01:27:36,408
<i>The two players were very close together.</i>

1484
01:27:36,497 --> 01:27:38,329
Well, this is my chance,
I'll have a go here.

1485
01:27:38,377 --> 01:27:40,937
If he goes past the full back, which,

1486
01:27:41,017 --> 01:27:45,216
there was a good chance he will do,
and delivers a ball and I'm not there,

1487
01:27:45,337 --> 01:27:48,694
I'm gonna get another, you know,
dressing down from Brian Clough,

1488
01:27:48,777 --> 01:27:51,167
<i>which, you don't need too many of them.</i>

1489
01:27:51,217 --> 01:27:52,412
<i>Got there and again,</i>

1490
01:27:52,537 --> 01:27:56,850
not looking, or picking anything,
just trying to clip it in there.

1491
01:27:58,617 --> 01:28:00,256
<i>And I was gonna go for it.</i>

1492
01:28:00,377 --> 01:28:04,417
<i>You can see me on the picture,
sort of hang back a little bit.</i>

1493
01:28:04,537 --> 01:28:05,857
<i>'Cause if I'd have gone for it,
I'd have missed it,</i>

1494
01:28:05,937 --> 01:28:07,849
<i>because it was too much pace,
I'd have put it wide.</i>

1495
01:28:11,217 --> 01:28:13,288
<i>Robertson...</i>

1496
01:28:29,817 --> 01:28:33,049
The million pounds is
forgotten immediately.

1497
01:28:33,737 --> 01:28:35,933
Because record breaking fee...

1498
01:28:36,297 --> 01:28:39,096
<i>Scored a goal in the European Cup Final.</i>

1499
01:28:39,577 --> 01:28:42,775
The best moment
in my footballing career, by far.

1500
01:28:42,897 --> 01:28:45,332
<i>It was just the most magical feeling,
you know?</i>

1501
01:28:45,417 --> 01:28:47,886
<i>To see that ball hit the back of the net.</i>

1502
01:28:49,737 --> 01:28:52,457
<i>Francis, another good run.</i>

1503
01:28:52,577 --> 01:28:55,251
<i>Comes from behind Birtles
and here's Robertson!</i>

1504
01:28:55,297 --> 01:28:57,289
<i>And he hits the post!</i>

1505
01:29:08,417 --> 01:29:11,251
<i>Fifteen seconds now,
we make it on the watch,</i>

1506
01:29:11,337 --> 01:29:13,408
<i>to win it by the only goal.</i>

1507
01:29:14,697 --> 01:29:16,609
<i>Not seen too much of this sort of thing
from Anderson,</i>

1508
01:29:16,697 --> 01:29:18,928
<i>just one to remember in the first half.</i>

1509
01:29:18,977 --> 01:29:23,017
<i>But it doesn't matter any more,
Nottingham Forest have done it!</i>

1510
01:29:32,657 --> 01:29:33,977
<i>They don't mind about the score.</i>

1511
01:29:34,137 --> 01:29:35,810
<i>They're only concerned about the fact,</i>

1512
01:29:35,937 --> 01:29:39,977
<i>that the European Cup
has come to Nottingham Forest.</i>

1513
01:30:05,857 --> 01:30:09,976
<i>As John McGovern,
who came off a park pitch in Hartlepool</i>

1514
01:30:10,657 --> 01:30:14,048
<i>to follow Brian Clough
to all his clubs, except one.</i>

1515
01:30:15,257 --> 01:30:18,489
<i>Coming up to receive the trophy
that has many famous names on it,</i>

1516
01:30:18,577 --> 01:30:20,330
<i>from Real Madrid forward.</i>

1517
01:30:20,417 --> 01:30:24,411
Well my dad died when I was 11.
He never saw me play football.

1518
01:30:26,497 --> 01:30:29,774
<i>When I received the cup,
people said I wasn't smiling.</i>

1519
01:30:29,857 --> 01:30:33,328
I was kind of smiling
but wasn't really over joyous.

1520
01:30:33,777 --> 01:30:35,848
That was the first thing
that came into my head,

1521
01:30:35,937 --> 01:30:37,257
I wish my dad was here...

1522
01:30:37,617 --> 01:30:40,177
<i>The trophy at the moment,
dwarfing John McGovern.</i>

1523
01:30:40,257 --> 01:30:43,534
<i>Larry Lloyd, who left Liverpool
rather hastily perhaps,</i>

1524
01:30:43,617 --> 01:30:45,051
<i>was in the wilderness for some time,</i>

1525
01:30:45,177 --> 01:30:49,888
<i>smiles as John McGovern
holds the European Cup aloft.</i>

1526
01:30:50,537 --> 01:30:55,248
<i>And the aims of Brian Clough
and Peter Taylor achieved,</i>

1527
01:30:55,377 --> 01:30:57,528
<i>but I'm sure they're not
gonna rest on their laurels.</i>

1528
01:30:57,617 --> 01:31:01,213
<i>That's one of their great secrets,
they don't do anything of that nature.</i>

1529
01:31:01,297 --> 01:31:05,689
<i>They will be planning for the future now,
to hold onto it.</i>

1530
01:31:06,297 --> 01:31:09,210
<i>John Robertson has been turned
from an also stroll,</i>

1531
01:31:09,297 --> 01:31:12,734
<i>into an international player
by Clough and Taylor.</i>

1532
01:31:13,217 --> 01:31:15,049
<i>Trevor Francis just going through.</i>

1533
01:31:15,137 --> 01:31:18,733
<i>Francis, who's gone a very,
very long way tonight</i>

1534
01:31:18,817 --> 01:31:21,377
<i>to justify the money paid for him.</i>

1535
01:31:24,217 --> 01:31:26,095
<i>What's it like
playing under Clough and Taylor?</i>

1536
01:31:26,217 --> 01:31:28,732
<i>They did promise you
that they'd give you trophies.</i>

1537
01:31:28,817 --> 01:31:29,887
What can I say?

1538
01:31:29,937 --> 01:31:31,417
You know,
I've been here three and a half months,

1539
01:31:31,457 --> 01:31:33,767
and it's worked out perfectly.

1540
01:31:33,937 --> 01:31:35,257
Peter Taylor,
you and Brian Clough

1541
01:31:35,297 --> 01:31:37,732
have won so many things,
but how does last night rate,

1542
01:31:37,817 --> 01:31:39,456
<i>the European Cup?</i>

1543
01:31:39,577 --> 01:31:42,137
Well first of all, Gary,
we've accomplished what we came for.

1544
01:31:42,257 --> 01:31:44,328
We're bringing the cup back, number one.

1545
01:31:44,417 --> 01:31:46,648
<i>It sunk in
as soon as we got off the plane really</i>

1546
01:31:46,737 --> 01:31:49,013
<i>at East Midlands Airport, you know?</i>

1547
01:31:49,097 --> 01:31:51,134
The crowd were fantastic.

1548
01:31:51,257 --> 01:31:52,657
John,
you've won so many trophies

1549
01:31:52,777 --> 01:31:54,416
under Brian Clough and Peter Taylor,

1550
01:31:54,497 --> 01:31:56,409
what's this one like
compared with all the others?

1551
01:31:56,457 --> 01:31:58,130
A little bit heavier.

1552
01:31:58,257 --> 01:32:00,249
Obviously very nice to win.

1553
01:32:00,297 --> 01:32:01,936
<i>But how do you cope with all this success?</i>

1554
01:32:02,017 --> 01:32:03,337
<i>I mean, do you just take it in your stride?</i>

1555
01:32:03,417 --> 01:32:05,773
<i>Because, I think most people
are staggered at the success</i>

1556
01:32:05,817 --> 01:32:07,934
that Nottingham Forest
have had in such a short time.

1557
01:32:08,017 --> 01:32:10,691
Well that's due to the management,
you know?

1558
01:32:10,777 --> 01:32:13,611
We've obviously got good management
and we've got good players.

1559
01:32:13,697 --> 01:32:16,007
<i>We work hard at our jobs
and we get the results.</i>

1560
01:32:17,297 --> 01:32:21,371
<i>I'd spent, sort of,
11, 12 years in the lower divisions,</i>

1561
01:32:21,457 --> 01:32:24,336
<i>but when I got to do all this,
I was really mature.</i>

1562
01:32:24,457 --> 01:32:26,847
I could take it all in and enjoy it.

1563
01:32:26,977 --> 01:32:30,288
Some of the younger kids, I don't think
actually knew what was going on.

1564
01:32:30,377 --> 01:32:32,050
<i>You know, it was just happening to them.</i>

1565
01:32:32,137 --> 01:32:35,289
We all met at Home Pierrepoint,
the water sports centre.

1566
01:32:35,377 --> 01:32:37,733
<i>Some four miles from the city centre.</i>

1567
01:32:37,817 --> 01:32:41,447
So we've gone about
a mile and a half from Home Pierrepoint,

1568
01:32:41,497 --> 01:32:42,977
we hadn't seen a soul.

1569
01:32:43,017 --> 01:32:46,294
We're coming into West Bridgford
and of course there's no one about.

1570
01:32:46,377 --> 01:32:48,130
Nobody around,
this is gonna be embarrassing.

1571
01:32:49,417 --> 01:32:54,856
Robbo and Larry actually got off the bus
and jogged down the road to a bus stop.

1572
01:32:54,977 --> 01:32:57,253
They were the first two
that actually waved to the bus.

1573
01:32:58,977 --> 01:33:02,812
- Hello?
- There's people, there's people!

1574
01:33:03,337 --> 01:33:05,249
There's bloody people!

1575
01:33:27,617 --> 01:33:29,848
<i>We went all over the place
and we saw people</i>

1576
01:33:29,897 --> 01:33:32,366
that you'd never seen for years and years,
coming out to celebrate.

1577
01:33:32,457 --> 01:33:34,369
<i>It was just a fantastic time.</i>

1578
01:33:34,417 --> 01:33:39,776
Well it's amazing how much football means
to people's lives, at times, you know?

1579
01:33:40,377 --> 01:33:44,417
<i>Women, babies, babies with strips on,
the flags are going.</i>

1580
01:33:44,537 --> 01:33:49,373
That's when it you know,
I realised what this means to the people.

1581
01:33:49,457 --> 01:33:50,686
<i>It brought tears to my eyes.</i>

1582
01:33:50,737 --> 01:33:54,128
I had the most emotional time
I've ever had in football.

1583
01:33:59,417 --> 01:34:01,374
Larry Lloyd,
what do you think of this reception?

1584
01:34:01,457 --> 01:34:05,053
Unbelievable. I didn't think there were
this many people in Nottingham.

1585
01:34:05,097 --> 01:34:06,213
Are you enjoying yourself?

1586
01:34:06,257 --> 01:34:10,490
Absolutely unbelievable, it's, you know,
it's difficult to describe, you know?

1587
01:34:10,577 --> 01:34:14,253
These people are tremendous.
Over you know... Beautiful, beautiful.

1588
01:34:17,217 --> 01:34:20,733
Well, that's the moment
where the significance

1589
01:34:20,817 --> 01:34:22,615
of what you've achieved really hits home.

1590
01:34:23,937 --> 01:34:26,736
<i>You know, so many people.</i>

1591
01:34:26,777 --> 01:34:30,327
<i>Euphoria,
everybody was just overtaken.</i>

1592
01:34:30,417 --> 01:34:32,010
You know, we'd put Nottingham on the map.

1593
01:34:32,097 --> 01:34:35,977
It's my town, it's my city,
and I want to be part of it.

1594
01:34:37,257 --> 01:34:42,935
<i>I can't put any words.
You know? It was just, just brilliant.</i>

1595
01:34:42,977 --> 01:34:45,936
<i>Brilliant.
I can't put it any plainer than that.</i>

1596
01:34:46,017 --> 01:34:50,773
You know, you're very...
What's the word, very humble.

1597
01:34:51,417 --> 01:34:53,010
<i>Hey, I like being a hero, all right?</i>

1598
01:34:53,097 --> 01:34:54,929
<i>People waving out to me,
when I'm walking around.</i>

1599
01:34:55,017 --> 01:34:57,452
I like people coming up to me,
when I'm having a pint.

1600
01:34:57,537 --> 01:35:00,655
"All right, Larry, can I buy you a pint?"
"Well, yeah, yeah you can if you want."

1601
01:35:00,777 --> 01:35:02,291
I didn't mind that at all.

1602
01:35:02,337 --> 01:35:03,612
<i>It was a great time,</i>

1603
01:35:03,697 --> 01:35:07,327
<i>and I would like to think all the supporters
had the time of their life as well.</i>

1604
01:35:07,457 --> 01:35:08,652
I think they went with us.

1605
01:35:08,777 --> 01:35:11,053
They were on that journey with us,
make no mistake.

1606
01:35:42,057 --> 01:35:44,572
<i>You know,
for a team to get promotion</i>

1607
01:35:44,657 --> 01:35:47,172
<i>into what is now the Premier League,
the old first division,</i>

1608
01:35:47,257 --> 01:35:50,728
and then end up doing what we did,
two European Cups.

1609
01:35:51,337 --> 01:35:52,487
It'll never happen again.

1610
01:35:52,577 --> 01:35:55,490
<i>That goes down as
possibly one of the greatest achievements,</i>

1611
01:35:55,537 --> 01:35:57,017
I would say in world football.

1612
01:35:57,057 --> 01:35:58,696
<i>It was a fantastic time,</i>

1613
01:35:58,817 --> 01:36:01,173
<i>and obviously we're talking about it
now 35 years on,</i>

1614
01:36:01,217 --> 01:36:05,496
it's a great achievement and I hold
the medals very dear to my heart.

1615
01:36:38,217 --> 01:36:40,209
<i>They were brilliant together.</i>

1616
01:36:40,257 --> 01:36:43,375
<i>Besides a massive knowledge of the game
they were great company,</i>

1617
01:36:43,457 --> 01:36:46,450
and they could make you laugh.
They were brilliant people.

1618
01:36:52,577 --> 01:36:55,217
<i>There was a change
when that man stepped into Nottingham.</i>

1619
01:36:55,297 --> 01:36:58,927
And it was almost like getting on a train
and just not getting off.

1620
01:37:57,617 --> 01:38:00,371
<i>You can talk and talk
and talk and talk about your profession,</i>

1621
01:38:00,457 --> 01:38:02,972
<i>but you have to go out and do it.</i>

1622
01:38:03,017 --> 01:38:04,974
<i>You know, there's no point
in just talking about it,</i>

1623
01:38:05,017 --> 01:38:06,656
<i>and trying to convince people you're right.</i>

1624
01:38:06,817 --> 01:38:09,457
<i>You have to give them the example
and then talk about it.</i>

1625
01:38:09,977 --> 01:38:14,972
And we feel we should have a voice
in running our industry, and I mean ours.

1626
01:38:15,057 --> 01:38:18,368
I don't mean mine, I mean ours.
'Cause football belongs to everybody.

1627
01:40:47,777 --> 01:40:50,292
Were you strong in a
defensive wall, Martin?

1628
01:40:50,377 --> 01:40:52,289
I can imagine you in the wall
with your glasses on,

1629
01:40:52,377 --> 01:40:56,451
sort of flinching a little bit, like Benzema
did, or were you... Did you stand strong?

1630
01:40:56,497 --> 01:40:58,693
Well, that's very nice of
you to say this, here.

1631
01:40:58,817 --> 01:41:00,729
I actually didn't wear
glasses when I was...

1632
01:41:00,817 --> 01:41:02,888
No, I did not...

1633
01:41:02,977 --> 01:41:05,811
So, what you're seeing now
is an older gentleman.

1634
01:41:05,857 --> 01:41:08,133
But, I did actually play
the game at one time.

1635
01:41:08,177 --> 01:41:10,817
- Yes.
- Fabio wasn't terribly sure that I did...

1636
01:41:12,297 --> 01:41:15,051
You know, I had to remind him
that despite the fact,

1637
01:41:15,137 --> 01:41:17,049
that there's two World Cup winners here,

1638
01:41:17,137 --> 01:41:20,050
actually when it comes to
the Champions League...

1639
01:41:20,177 --> 01:41:22,169
- Yeah.
- Used to be called the European Cup,

1640
01:41:22,257 --> 01:41:23,327
I've won two of them.

1641
01:41:23,377 --> 01:41:26,211
I'd just like to know
how many you two have won?

1642
01:41:27,305 --> 01:41:33,266
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