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Everyone is intimidated by a shark. Become
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<i>We will begin the session now.</i>

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<i>You will remain aware
of everything that goes on.</i>

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<i>Okay.</i>

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<i>We're going to find
an incident in your life</i>

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<i>you have an exact record of.</i>

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<i>Then by sending you through it
at the time it happened,</i>

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<i>we're going to reduce it.</i>

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<i>We will reduce the pain.</i>

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<i>Go to the beginning
of that incident.</i>

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<i>Tell me what's happening.</i>

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<i>Well, these things get all so...</i>

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<i>I joined in 198...</i>

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<i>It was a bunch of young kids,
like I was young...</i>

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<i>We were all very heated,
very excited about this.</i>

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<i>Can you recall a time
when you were happy?</i>

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<i>I think the first time I saw
Hubbard, and I was in awe...</i>

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<i>We did, because you thought
we were doing good.</i>

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<i>I mean, so you had
some gratification.</i>

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<i>I felt a tremendous amount
of relief.</i>

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<i>I got the answers for everything</i>

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<i>within the religion.</i>

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<i>What are you most afraid of?</i>

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<i>It was dark.
3:00 in the morning,</i>

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<i>there's a knock
on the hotel-room door.</i>

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<i>Stop! I'll say whatever
you want,</i>

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<i>I'll write up anything
that you want.</i>

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<i>I flipped out.
I started punching holes
in the walls.</i>

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<i>Things didn't seem quite right.</i>

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<i>And you just feel
so foolish at that point.</i>

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<i>Do you have a secret
you're afraid I'll find out?</i>

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<i>Yes. Yes.</i>

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<i>Go to the beginning
of that incident.</i>

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<i>Okay, all right.</i>

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<i>Tell me about it.</i>

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<i>I was 21 years old,</i>

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<i>living in London,
Ontario, Canada.</i>

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I wanted to be
a documentary filmmaker.

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And someone had told me

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about what they called...
They said, "there's this cult

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"in New York
called scientology,"

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which I'd never heard of.

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"And if you give them
all your money,

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"they'll make anything
possible in your life."

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<i>And about six months later,
i was walking down the street.</i>

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<i>This guy was there
selling books.</i>

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<i>And I realized
they were all the same book...</i>

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"Dianetics,"

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which again,
i had never heard of.

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He handed me one
and asked me to look at it.

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He was talking.
I wasn't really listening
to him.

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I opened the cover
and it said...

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Stamped on the inside page,
it said "church of scientology."

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And I said,
"take me there."

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<i>All right.
All right, here we go.</i>

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<i>I'm not a great multitasker.</i>

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You know, and if I feel
like doing something,
that's what I do.

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And, uh, I was into this shit,

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and I was becoming an auditor.

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Like, I was in scientology
probably four months,

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and I had done more
than John Travolta had done,

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and he'd been there
for 85 years or some shit.

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My agents called, you know,
"you got an audition."

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"Eh, fuck it, I don't really..."
You know what I mean?

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I was on...
I'm on a spiritual adventure,

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and this was like, "whoa,
this is an interesting road."

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You know?

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So, uh, what was the question?

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<i>So tell me,
how was it you first
got involved in scientology?</i>

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<i>Well, I was introduced to it
by some friends.</i>

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I don't know if they said it
or if it was just talked about

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by others that
they had super powers.

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And I... I was, like,
really young,

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but I thought, "I'd like
to have super powers!"

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But also I had done so much...

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Political-social work.

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<i>So this really looked like...
That it was a solution</i>

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<i>to handling a lot
of the world's problems.</i>

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<i>Instead of trying
to handle things en masse,</i>

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you could deal with it
person by person,

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make each person better,
and thus the world would
get better and surer.

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Well, thank you very much,

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and welcome
to our whole new world.

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It's a world where
the operative phrase reads...

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"Exceeding all expectations,

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"transcending all parameters,

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"extending the boundaries
beyond any boundary,

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"not to mention
godspeed, lightning speed,

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"and a quantum leap
in sheer rapidity of progress
up the bridge."

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<i>We're out to make every life
extraordinary.</i>

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And if by chance
it ever seems laborious
or a sacrifice,

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then you are looking
at the offramps instead
of the highway.

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You are missing
the signpost up ahead,

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the one that reads,
"next stop, infinity."

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<i>Probably my favorite concept
of scientology</i>

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is a world without criminality,

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a world without war,
and a world without insanity.

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And I know of no other group

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that their goals are that clear.

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Look, I don't...
You name me another philosophy,

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religion, or technology

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that one of its main goals...
Besides the three
i mentioned earlier...

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Where joy
is the operative concept.

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These are the times now, people.

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Okay? These are the times
we will all remember.

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Were you there?

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What did you do?

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So what do you say?
Can we clean this place up?

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Yeah!

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Okay.
Because we're counting on you.

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Okay?

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All right?
To lrh!

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Hip-hip...
Hooray!

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Hip-hip...
Hooray!

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Hip-hip...
Hooray!

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<i>Scientology is such a subject
of fascination for people.</i>

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How did you get engaged
in the story?

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Well, I've always
been interested in religions

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and why people believe
one idea rather than another.

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<i>I've studied Jonestown,
radical islam.</i>

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<i>They're oftentimes
good-hearted people...</i>

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Idealistic, but full of
a kind of crushing certainty

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that eliminates doubt.

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You know, my goal
wasn't to write an exposã©.

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It was simply
to understand scientology,

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trying to understand
what people get out of it.

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You know, why do they
go into it in the first place?

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<i>I was
interested in intelligent
and skeptical people</i>

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<i>who are drawn
into a belief system</i>

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<i>and wind up acting
on those beliefs</i>

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<i>in ways they never
thought they would.</i>

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<i>The church of scientology
turned out to be</i>

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<i>two offices
above a woolworth's store.</i>

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He asked me,
"what's ruining your life?"

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I said, "oh, I'm in love.

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"I'm in love with this woman.
It's impossible.

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"I don't know what to do.
I need some help."

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And he said,
"we can help you with that."

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I said, "really?"
"Yes."

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<i>And I ran home and got her,
and I said, "we have to
sign up for this.</i>

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<i>"It sounds really good.
It could save
our relationship."</i>

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<i>So we both signed up
the next day to do a course,</i>

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<i>which I think cost $50.</i>

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<i>The thing that absolutely got me</i>

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<i>and stayed with me forever</i>

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<i>was the very first thing
i read when you open
the course pack,</i>

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<i>and it said...
I'm paraphrasing...</i>

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<i>"Don't believe any of this.
If it works for you, great.</i>

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<i>"If it doesn't, discard it."</i>

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I was troubled by the fact
that they called it a religion,

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but I figured,
"oh, it's some tax scam.
It's fine with me.

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"I don't really care about that
as long as it works."

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The first exercise,
after you do all this reading
and stuff like that,

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is this thing called
o-t-t-r-0,

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which is basically,
you stand... you sit

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just like this, eyes closed,

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three feet away
from somebody who's
doing the same thing,

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and you basically confront them.

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You know?

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And in scientology lingo,

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I went exterior.

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Exteriorizing
is what they call it.

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You know, you leave your body.

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So it was a... transcendent
experience for me.,

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and that made me go,
"holy fucking shit,

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"this is... wow."

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I was reading books,
going to lectures,
and going to things...

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Different events
at the mission... at the local
Santa Clara mission.

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And then I knew
i wanted to join the sea org

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<i>and get really involved
as soon as I could,</i>

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<i>which would
be right out of high school.</i>

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<i>Sea org
is the most fraternal order
of the organization.</i>

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<i>It's people who really,
really believe in the cause</i>

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<i>and sign
a billion-year contract,</i>

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which I did when I was...
You know, as soon as I could.

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I left skid marks getting
to that billion-year contract.

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<i>You thought
you were doing something good,</i>

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<i>to have a positive effect
on all of mankind.</i>

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That's what Howard says.

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Everything you do for endless
trillions of years

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depends on what you do
here and now within
scientology.

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<i>I began to ask this question,</i>

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<i>"what is man?"
And I found, oddly enough,</i>

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<i>that nobody could tell me
what man was.</i>

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<i>What did he consist of?
Where was he going?</i>

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<i>What was he doing?</i>

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To really know life,
you've got to be part of life.

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You must get down and look.

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You must get into
the nooks and crannies
of existence,

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the... you have to rub elbows

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with all kinds and types of men

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before you can finally
establish what he is.

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And you in fact did this?

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Yes, I've slept
with bandits in Mongolia,

195
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and I've hunted with, uh,

196
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pygmies in the Philippines.

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Matter of fact,
I've studied 21 different
primitive races,

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including the white race.

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<i>And my conclusions were</i>

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that man is a spiritual being

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that was pulled down
to the material,

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<i>the fleshly interests,</i>

203
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<i>to an interplay in life
that was, in fact,</i>

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<i>too great for him to confront.</i>

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<i>And I concluded, finally,</i>

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<i>that he needed a hand.</i>

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<i>To understand scientology,</i>

208
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<i>you have to understand
the life and mind
of its inventor,</i>

209
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<i>l. Ron Hubbard.</i>

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<i>Hubbard was a prolific writer.</i>

211
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<i>He actually holds
the "guinness book
of world records"</i>

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<i>for the number of books
published...</i>

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<i>More than 1,000.</i>

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<i>Hubbard got his start
in the depression writing
Pulp Fiction,</i>

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<i>named for the cheap paper used.</i>

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<i>Writers were paid
a penny a word,</i>

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<i>so hey had to write a lot
to make money.</i>

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<i>Hubbard hammered away so fast</i>

219
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<i>on long rolls of butcher paper</i>

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<i>that he used to drop sweat
on his typewriter.</i>

221
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<i>Hubbard's career took off
when he began to write
for a magazine</i>

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<i>called "astounding
science fiction."</i>

223
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<i>Along with authors
like Isaac Asimov
and Robert Heinlein,</i>

224
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<i>Hubbard wrote stories
with a sense of mission...</i>

225
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<i>To get man to the stars.</i>

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<i>He found his true mã©tier
in science fiction.</i>

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And a lot of what scientology is

228
00:11:47,503 --> 00:11:50,103
<i>he had previously written about
in the form</i>

229
00:11:50,143 --> 00:11:51,973
<i>of his science fiction.</i>

230
00:11:52,013 --> 00:11:55,033
<i>He had the ability
to fabricate these
amazing tales,</i>

231
00:11:55,063 --> 00:11:59,702
<i>and he transported
those imaginary stories</i>

232
00:11:59,732 --> 00:12:02,372
<i>into his theology.</i>

233
00:12:08,542 --> 00:12:12,332
<i>After Pearl Harbor,
Hubbard took command
of a sub chaser,</i>

234
00:12:12,362 --> 00:12:15,162
<i>but he was still a man
prone to invention.</i>

235
00:12:15,202 --> 00:12:18,532
<i>He would write that he sunk
two Japanese subs,</i>

236
00:12:18,552 --> 00:12:20,841
<i>but, in fact,
just off the coast of Oregon,</i>

237
00:12:20,871 --> 00:12:23,541
<i>he opened fire on what
turned out to be a log</i>

238
00:12:23,561 --> 00:12:25,561
<i>and dropped most of
his depth chargers</i>

239
00:12:25,591 --> 00:12:28,812
<i>on underwater magnetic rocks.</i>

240
00:12:28,852 --> 00:12:31,381
<i>When he accidentally shelled
a Mexican island,</i>

241
00:12:31,401 --> 00:12:34,571
<i>he was relieved of his command.</i>

242
00:12:36,321 --> 00:12:37,551
<i>After the war,</i>

243
00:12:37,571 --> 00:12:39,101
<i>Hubbard ended up in Los Angeles</i>

244
00:12:39,161 --> 00:12:43,560
<i>where he settled in
with a small group
of seekers and visionaries.</i>

245
00:12:43,580 --> 00:12:46,610
A guy named Jack Parsons,
a fascinating man,

246
00:12:46,660 --> 00:12:50,161
<i>was one of the founders
of the jet-propulsion
laboratory.</i>

247
00:12:50,201 --> 00:12:53,671
<i>And there's actually
a crater on the moon
named after Jack.</i>

248
00:12:53,701 --> 00:12:56,540
<i>He was a significant
scientific figure,</i>

249
00:12:56,570 --> 00:12:58,840
but he was also the head honcho

250
00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:00,210
in this black magic cult.

251
00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:02,740
<i>It was called the o.T.O.,</i>

252
00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:05,250
<i>or the ordo templi orientis.</i>

253
00:13:05,260 --> 00:13:08,969
<i>They followed the teachings
of aleister crowley,</i>

254
00:13:09,019 --> 00:13:13,220
<i>a famous sexual magic figure
in england.</i>

255
00:13:13,260 --> 00:13:16,560
<i>Parsons had a mansion
in Pasadena.</i>

256
00:13:16,610 --> 00:13:18,439
<i>They would have ceremonies,</i>

257
00:13:18,479 --> 00:13:21,149
<i>and they were seeking
some sort of goddess figure</i>

258
00:13:21,199 --> 00:13:22,929
<i>that he could impregnate</i>

259
00:13:22,949 --> 00:13:25,569
<i>in order to create
the antichrist.</i>

260
00:13:25,619 --> 00:13:30,318
<i>Hubbard moved in
and became Parsons' assistant.</i>

261
00:13:31,408 --> 00:13:33,569
<i>One night,
this beautiful redhead</i>

262
00:13:33,609 --> 00:13:36,739
<i>named Marjorie Cameron
showed up at the door.</i>

263
00:13:36,779 --> 00:13:40,159
<i>She was perfectly
willing to engage
in this sexual ritual</i>

264
00:13:40,219 --> 00:13:43,628
<i>in order, supposedly,
to produce the antichrist.</i>

265
00:13:43,668 --> 00:13:45,838
<i>She and Jack
eventually got married.</i>

266
00:13:45,888 --> 00:13:49,218
<i>That happened after Hubbard
ran off with Jack's girlfriend,</i>

267
00:13:49,258 --> 00:13:51,088
<i>Sara Northrup.</i>

268
00:13:52,228 --> 00:13:53,429
<i>Scientology and Hubbard</i>

269
00:13:53,459 --> 00:13:54,958
<i>would later refuse
to acknowledge</i>

270
00:13:54,978 --> 00:13:56,978
<i>his relationship with Sara.</i>

271
00:13:57,018 --> 00:13:59,428
<i>But we uncovered
Sara's own recollections</i>

272
00:13:59,468 --> 00:14:01,598
<i>of her time with Hubbard.</i>

273
00:14:03,438 --> 00:14:06,207
<i>He was 13 years older
than I was.</i>

274
00:14:06,237 --> 00:14:08,487
<i>I thought
he was a great war hero,</i>

275
00:14:08,577 --> 00:14:12,147
<i>a captain of a ship
that had been downed
in the pacific.</i>

276
00:14:12,157 --> 00:14:14,418
<i>And he was weeks on a raft,</i>

277
00:14:14,448 --> 00:14:16,318
<i>and he'd been blinded
by the sun,</i>

278
00:14:16,348 --> 00:14:18,497
<i>and his back had been broken.</i>

279
00:14:18,537 --> 00:14:20,647
<i>All these things
were complete lies,</i>

280
00:14:20,667 --> 00:14:22,917
<i>but I didn't know it
at the time.</i>

281
00:14:22,957 --> 00:14:25,227
<i>I believed every word of it.</i>

282
00:14:25,257 --> 00:14:28,677
<i>If only Sara had seen
Hubbard's military records.</i>

283
00:14:28,707 --> 00:14:30,596
<i>In a 900-page file,</i>

284
00:14:30,626 --> 00:14:34,296
<i>Hubbard's activities are laid
out in extraordinary detail.</i>

285
00:14:34,336 --> 00:14:36,997
<i>Hubbard told people
that he had been blinded
and crippled</i>

286
00:14:37,017 --> 00:14:39,467
<i>during the war,
and the practices
that would form</i>

287
00:14:39,507 --> 00:14:42,676
<i>the basis of scientology
had cured him.</i>

288
00:14:42,696 --> 00:14:44,946
<i>But his records show
that his only wounds</i>

289
00:14:44,976 --> 00:14:48,116
<i>were mild arthritis
and conjunctivitis.</i>

290
00:14:51,686 --> 00:14:54,115
<i>We had this terrible fight,</i>

291
00:14:54,155 --> 00:14:56,856
<i>and he told me he was going
to commit suicide</i>

292
00:14:56,876 --> 00:14:58,856
<i>if I didn't marry him.</i>

293
00:14:58,876 --> 00:15:01,076
<i>I really believed him,</i>

294
00:15:01,126 --> 00:15:03,546
<i>so we got married.</i>

295
00:15:05,745 --> 00:15:09,715
<i>We spent the winter
in that lighthouse on the lake
in the poconos.</i>

296
00:15:09,755 --> 00:15:11,665
<i>I remember one awful night,</i>

297
00:15:11,705 --> 00:15:14,165
<i>when I was asleep
and he was out typing...</i>

298
00:15:14,205 --> 00:15:16,874
<i>And he hit me
across the side of the head</i>

299
00:15:16,894 --> 00:15:18,505
<i>with a .45...</i>

300
00:15:18,545 --> 00:15:21,015
<i>Because I was smiling
in my sleep,</i>

301
00:15:21,045 --> 00:15:23,725
<i>and he said I was thinking
about somebody else.</i>

302
00:15:23,765 --> 00:15:26,185
<i>I got up, left the house,</i>

303
00:15:26,215 --> 00:15:28,484
<i>and walked
on the ice of the lake.</i>

304
00:15:28,514 --> 00:15:30,684
<i>I was terrified.</i>

305
00:15:30,724 --> 00:15:32,484
<i>He always said
that he would kill me</i>

306
00:15:32,524 --> 00:15:34,824
<i>rather than let me leave him.</i>

307
00:15:37,824 --> 00:15:40,664
<i>The only good thing
i got from Ron</i>

308
00:15:40,694 --> 00:15:42,914
<i>was my baby.</i>

309
00:15:48,534 --> 00:15:50,334
<i>We moved
to Elizabeth, New Jersey,</i>

310
00:15:50,374 --> 00:15:52,743
<i>and he started
writing "dianetics."</i>

311
00:15:52,763 --> 00:15:54,873
<i>The book was conceived</i>

312
00:15:54,913 --> 00:15:57,243
<i>and he started
working on it in 1950.</i>

313
00:15:57,263 --> 00:16:01,604
<i>He said many times
that the only way to make
any real money</i>

314
00:16:01,634 --> 00:16:03,214
<i>was to have a religion.</i>

315
00:16:03,254 --> 00:16:06,773
<i>That's essentially
what he was trying to do
with "dianetics"...</i>

316
00:16:06,803 --> 00:16:09,973
<i>Get a religion where
he could have an income</i>

317
00:16:10,023 --> 00:16:12,393
<i>and the government wouldn't
take it away from him</i>

318
00:16:12,423 --> 00:16:14,563
<i>in the form of taxes.</i>

319
00:16:18,532 --> 00:16:20,762
<i>"Dianetics" was
an immense success.</i>

320
00:16:20,782 --> 00:16:23,623
<i>From the moment
it was published in 1950,</i>

321
00:16:23,653 --> 00:16:27,872
<i>it swept through America
and other countries
around the world.</i>

322
00:16:27,912 --> 00:16:30,992
This book...
That's the background
of all of this.

323
00:16:31,042 --> 00:16:32,292
That's what started
all the trouble.

324
00:16:32,332 --> 00:16:36,712
<i>We expected this to sell
about 6,000 copies,</i>

325
00:16:36,752 --> 00:16:39,781
<i>and it hit the top
of the bestseller list
of "the New York times"</i>

326
00:16:39,801 --> 00:16:42,421
<i>and just stayed there,
month in, month out.</i>

327
00:16:42,472 --> 00:16:44,622
It was like
i started an avalanche.

328
00:16:44,642 --> 00:16:47,622
<i>The modern science
of mental health"</i>

329
00:16:47,642 --> 00:16:51,681
is considered to be
the fundamental text,

330
00:16:51,731 --> 00:16:56,371
which is the foundation
upon which all else is built.

331
00:16:58,171 --> 00:17:00,441
<i>One of the theories
of "dianetics"</i>

332
00:17:00,471 --> 00:17:04,141
is to discover these things
that are very traumatic

333
00:17:04,161 --> 00:17:05,941
or have been very upsetting
to you,

334
00:17:05,981 --> 00:17:08,951
<i>and if you can observe</i>

335
00:17:08,981 --> 00:17:11,171
<i>exactly what happened,</i>

336
00:17:11,201 --> 00:17:14,151
<i>the power of that incident</i>

337
00:17:14,171 --> 00:17:16,200
to influence you today

338
00:17:16,260 --> 00:17:18,510
is removed.

339
00:17:19,660 --> 00:17:21,760
<i>The concept of "dianetics"</i>

340
00:17:21,790 --> 00:17:24,760
<i>is that you have
two sides of your mind.</i>

341
00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:27,260
<i>There is the analytical side,</i>

342
00:17:27,300 --> 00:17:29,600
<i>which is a perfect computer.</i>

343
00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:32,170
It remembers everything.
It's flawless.

344
00:17:32,220 --> 00:17:34,190
<i>It never makes a mistake.</i>

345
00:17:34,220 --> 00:17:36,670
<i>And then there's
a reactive side.</i>

346
00:17:36,690 --> 00:17:40,029
<i>And this is where
all your neuroses, anxieties,</i>

347
00:17:40,059 --> 00:17:41,309
<i>and fears are stored.</i>

348
00:17:41,349 --> 00:17:44,679
<i>And where do they come from?
They come from engrams.</i>

349
00:17:44,699 --> 00:17:47,900
<i>An engram is like a memory.</i>

350
00:17:47,950 --> 00:17:49,820
<i>A man has
an automobile accident.</i>

351
00:17:49,860 --> 00:17:51,569
<i>He has a picture
of an automobile accident.</i>

352
00:17:51,619 --> 00:17:53,519
<i>He has all the sensations
of having been hurt</i>

353
00:17:53,539 --> 00:17:56,189
in the automobile accident.
It takes him a long time
to recover,

354
00:17:56,209 --> 00:17:58,209
because he's still wearing
the automobile accident.

355
00:17:58,249 --> 00:17:59,459
<i>If you said,
"hey, why don't you take</i>

356
00:17:59,499 --> 00:18:01,669
<i>"this automobile accident
and throw it away?"</i>

357
00:18:01,699 --> 00:18:03,218
<i>Well, all of a sudden,
he recovers</i>

358
00:18:03,248 --> 00:18:05,248
<i>from the automobile accident,
naturally,</i>

359
00:18:05,298 --> 00:18:07,549
<i>because the thing that's
keeping it impressed upon him</i>

360
00:18:07,589 --> 00:18:10,009
<i>and his body is his mind.</i>

361
00:18:12,179 --> 00:18:15,008
<i>An auditor is a practitioner
in scientology.</i>

362
00:18:15,058 --> 00:18:17,708
He listens and he computes.

363
00:18:17,728 --> 00:18:20,068
<i>We have a meter.</i>

364
00:18:20,098 --> 00:18:22,388
<i>A meter simply shows</i>

365
00:18:22,398 --> 00:18:24,858
<i>where an individual
is aberrated.</i>

366
00:18:24,888 --> 00:18:28,107
<i>The e-meter is
a very powerful instrument.</i>

367
00:18:28,157 --> 00:18:30,528
<i>It's one-third
of a lie detector.</i>

368
00:18:30,558 --> 00:18:34,558
<i>A lie detector would also
measure your respiration
and pulse.</i>

369
00:18:34,578 --> 00:18:37,078
<i>There's two cans</i>

370
00:18:37,118 --> 00:18:38,667
<i>and there's electrical wires</i>

371
00:18:38,697 --> 00:18:40,867
<i>carrying an undetectable
amount of current</i>

372
00:18:40,907 --> 00:18:43,287
<i>into a meter
with a needle on it.</i>

373
00:18:43,337 --> 00:18:45,877
<i>According to the church
of scientology,</i>

374
00:18:45,907 --> 00:18:49,047
<i>it actually detects
the mass of your thoughts,</i>

375
00:18:49,077 --> 00:18:51,517
although there's no evidence
that thoughts have mass.

376
00:18:51,547 --> 00:18:53,917
The current
passes through your body,

377
00:18:53,937 --> 00:18:57,937
<i>and as your mental mass
increases,</i>

378
00:18:57,967 --> 00:19:01,187
<i>so does the resistance
to the circuit.</i>

379
00:19:01,227 --> 00:19:04,976
<i>So the auditor will
ask you a question,</i>

380
00:19:05,026 --> 00:19:07,306
"tell me about
an upset with your mother."

381
00:19:07,366 --> 00:19:09,146
"What's truly bothering you
about being with, you know,

382
00:19:09,196 --> 00:19:11,287
"with your wife's behavior?
What is it?"

383
00:19:11,317 --> 00:19:12,937
"Why are you upset today?"

384
00:19:12,957 --> 00:19:15,536
"Well, I had a fight
with my wife."

385
00:19:15,566 --> 00:19:17,286
"Well, I can see."

386
00:19:17,326 --> 00:19:19,206
"That there...
Was that the same thought?"

387
00:19:19,246 --> 00:19:20,376
"Say that again."

388
00:19:20,406 --> 00:19:24,206
<i>And gradually, the needle
will have less response.</i>

389
00:19:24,246 --> 00:19:27,325
<i>And in that manner,
you discharge the emotion.</i>

390
00:19:27,385 --> 00:19:30,785
<i>Then you're asked to go back
to earlier incidents</i>

391
00:19:30,805 --> 00:19:32,806
<i>that were like that.</i>

392
00:19:32,836 --> 00:19:35,126
<i>And you might say,
"well, my mother spoke to me</i>

393
00:19:35,136 --> 00:19:37,305
<i>"in the same
scolding tone of voice."</i>

394
00:19:37,345 --> 00:19:39,505
And you recount that story,

395
00:19:39,565 --> 00:19:42,795
<i>and eventually,
you discharge the emotion.</i>

396
00:19:42,815 --> 00:19:45,965
<i>And that's very much
like freudian therapy.</i>

397
00:19:45,985 --> 00:19:48,604
<i>But with scientology,</i>

398
00:19:48,634 --> 00:19:50,934
<i>then they'll ask further.</i>

399
00:19:50,974 --> 00:19:53,935
<i>"Well, that's as far back
as I go."</i>

400
00:19:53,995 --> 00:19:55,495
Well, maybe not.

401
00:19:55,525 --> 00:19:59,745
<i>The auditor might say,
"something just registered
on the meter.</i>

402
00:19:59,785 --> 00:20:01,284
<i>"What was that?"</i>

403
00:20:01,314 --> 00:20:03,644
<i>"I had an image
in my mind."</i>

404
00:20:03,664 --> 00:20:05,364
<i>"Well, what was the image?"</i>

405
00:20:05,414 --> 00:20:07,084
<i>"It was a barn."</i>

406
00:20:07,124 --> 00:20:09,624
<i>"Are you inside the barn?
Go back to that image.</i>

407
00:20:09,654 --> 00:20:12,503
<i>"Okay, open the door.
What do you see?"</i>

408
00:20:12,543 --> 00:20:16,594
<i>"Well, it looks like
19th century France."</i>

409
00:20:18,764 --> 00:20:21,134
<i>You walk outside and you see</i>

410
00:20:21,164 --> 00:20:23,804
<i>the people dressed
in their costumes,</i>

411
00:20:23,884 --> 00:20:26,853
<i>and the e-meter is
saying this is real.</i>

412
00:20:26,893 --> 00:20:28,503
<i>This is a real memory.</i>

413
00:20:28,523 --> 00:20:32,143
<i>It's just as real
as those other memories
that you had.</i>

414
00:20:33,693 --> 00:20:36,393
<i>Beautiful little soft needle,
and everything's good.</i>

415
00:20:36,453 --> 00:20:40,533
Needle's rising, which means
he's getting, you know,

416
00:20:40,573 --> 00:20:43,403
thinking a lot.
The needle just, like,
goes "pfft,"

417
00:20:43,453 --> 00:20:45,493
<i>like a lot of shit blows away.</i>

418
00:20:45,523 --> 00:20:49,412
The theta bop,
which is a very quick little
thing like, "doo doo doo,"

419
00:20:49,462 --> 00:20:51,662
which means exteriorization.

420
00:20:53,212 --> 00:20:56,803
<i>When you come out
of an auditing session,</i>

421
00:20:56,833 --> 00:20:59,423
you feel euphoric.

422
00:20:59,473 --> 00:21:03,052
That confessional nature
makes you feel better.

423
00:21:03,092 --> 00:21:05,762
Somebody would say,
"oh, you're going
to have a session."

424
00:21:05,812 --> 00:21:07,762
I would feel better
just hearing that.

425
00:21:07,812 --> 00:21:10,882
<i>Man is asleep.</i>

426
00:21:10,902 --> 00:21:13,051
<i>He is hypnotized.</i>

427
00:21:13,071 --> 00:21:16,321
<i>Now in scientology,
reverse the process,</i>

428
00:21:16,351 --> 00:21:18,822
<i>and you'll make him wake up.</i>

429
00:21:18,852 --> 00:21:21,572
<i>Such a man
becomes un-brainwashed,
you might say.</i>

430
00:21:21,612 --> 00:21:23,321
<i>He becomes unhypnotized.</i>

431
00:21:23,361 --> 00:21:25,391
<i>This sounds, Mr. Hubbard,
in a sense,</i>

432
00:21:25,411 --> 00:21:28,951
<i>like an extension
of psychology
or psychiatry.</i>

433
00:21:29,001 --> 00:21:32,581
Oh, no, psychiatry
has to do with the insane,

434
00:21:32,621 --> 00:21:35,540
and we have nothing to do
with the insane whatsoever.

435
00:21:35,590 --> 00:21:37,840
Is this is a form
of psychoanalysis?

436
00:21:37,870 --> 00:21:39,921
No, psychoanalysis,
they lay back and...

437
00:21:39,961 --> 00:21:43,511
Don't associate scientology
with such people.

438
00:21:43,551 --> 00:21:46,930
That's terrible.
That's bad manners, you know?

439
00:21:46,970 --> 00:21:50,600
<i>When l. Ron Hubbard
first wrote "dianetics,"</i>

440
00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:54,300
<i>he thought it was
a tremendous psychological
breakthrough,</i>

441
00:21:54,360 --> 00:21:56,720
<i>so much so
that he would be recognized.</i>

442
00:21:56,760 --> 00:22:01,780
<i>He wrote letters to
the American psychological
association.</i>

443
00:22:01,810 --> 00:22:05,600
<i>They couldn't make heads
or tail of his ideas.</i>

444
00:22:05,620 --> 00:22:07,780
To them, it was like
psychological folk art.

445
00:22:07,820 --> 00:22:11,319
<i>For instance,
he would talk about "clear."</i>

446
00:22:11,369 --> 00:22:13,989
<i>That means that the individual</i>

447
00:22:14,039 --> 00:22:16,129
<i>has erased his reactive mind...</i>

448
00:22:16,159 --> 00:22:18,499
<i>His unconscious mind is gone...</i>

449
00:22:18,549 --> 00:22:20,799
And he is totally alert

450
00:22:20,829 --> 00:22:22,799
and totally capable.

451
00:22:22,839 --> 00:22:26,119
Once you've taken away
all these traumatic memories,

452
00:22:26,139 --> 00:22:28,759
from this life
and previous ones,

453
00:22:28,789 --> 00:22:30,259
then you are clear.

454
00:22:30,289 --> 00:22:33,089
Someone who had
a perfect memory,

455
00:22:33,129 --> 00:22:35,978
who was never ill.

456
00:22:36,008 --> 00:22:37,728
Your eyesight would be better.

457
00:22:37,768 --> 00:22:39,928
We tested people
before scientology processing

458
00:22:39,968 --> 00:22:41,768
and after
scientology processing,

459
00:22:41,798 --> 00:22:44,489
and uniformly found
that their IQ had raised.

460
00:22:44,519 --> 00:22:46,568
<i>We are making such individuals,</i>

461
00:22:46,608 --> 00:22:50,278
<i>we're making them regularly,
and we're making
them routinely.</i>

462
00:22:52,278 --> 00:22:55,078
<i>An overt act
is an effort to individuate.</i>

463
00:22:55,118 --> 00:22:57,827
<i>It is a withhold of oneself...</i>

464
00:22:57,867 --> 00:22:59,817
<i>Ron gave lectures everywhere</i>

465
00:22:59,837 --> 00:23:03,838
<i>for large amounts of money,
and money just started
pouring in.</i>

466
00:23:03,878 --> 00:23:06,128
<i>I mean, these people were paying</i>

467
00:23:06,158 --> 00:23:09,178
<i>$500 apiece in the 1950s</i>

468
00:23:09,208 --> 00:23:11,177
<i>for training
in "dianetics."</i>

469
00:23:11,217 --> 00:23:13,927
<i>I felt that he was stealing
from people</i>

470
00:23:13,967 --> 00:23:16,187
<i>and that he was
hoodwinking them.</i>

471
00:23:16,217 --> 00:23:19,187
<i>All the business of sitting,
holding hands,</i>

472
00:23:19,217 --> 00:23:22,506
<i>and putting
all these false memories
into people's minds...</i>

473
00:23:22,526 --> 00:23:24,897
<i>Then they would finally
come along and say,</i>

474
00:23:24,947 --> 00:23:27,857
<i>"oh, yes,
i can remember it all."</i>

475
00:23:31,817 --> 00:23:34,686
<i>We were surrounded
by sycophants.</i>

476
00:23:34,706 --> 00:23:38,536
<i>He began to believe
that he was a savior and hero,</i>

477
00:23:38,576 --> 00:23:42,046
<i>that he really was
this God figure.</i>

478
00:23:44,866 --> 00:23:46,626
<i>He was absolutely convinced</i>

479
00:23:46,666 --> 00:23:50,336
<i>that he had the cure
for the psychological ills
of mankind,</i>

480
00:23:50,366 --> 00:23:54,036
<i>and that the only reason
that it wasn't being propagated
far and wide</i>

481
00:23:54,076 --> 00:23:56,706
<i>was that the medical profession
had a vested interest</i>

482
00:23:56,726 --> 00:23:59,175
<i>in keeping people sick.</i>

483
00:23:59,205 --> 00:24:01,175
<i>I think he was afraid
that some psychiatrists</i>

484
00:24:01,215 --> 00:24:03,645
<i>would pop him
into an institution.</i>

485
00:24:03,685 --> 00:24:07,936
<i>He degenerated into
a really paranoid,</i>

486
00:24:07,986 --> 00:24:10,715
<i>terrifying person.</i>

487
00:24:10,735 --> 00:24:12,775
<i>Sara threatened to leave Hubbard</i>

488
00:24:12,825 --> 00:24:14,405
<i>unless he got psychiatric help.</i>

489
00:24:14,445 --> 00:24:17,225
<i>He responded
by kidnapping their baby</i>

490
00:24:17,245 --> 00:24:19,245
<i>and taking her to Cuba.</i>

491
00:24:19,275 --> 00:24:21,834
<i>He was incapable
of taking care of her,</i>

492
00:24:21,864 --> 00:24:25,004
so he put her in the charge
of a mother and daughter

493
00:24:25,034 --> 00:24:27,114
who were both mentally retarded.

494
00:24:27,174 --> 00:24:29,505
And they apparently kept her
in some kind of cage.

495
00:24:29,545 --> 00:24:33,504
<i>He called me and told me
that he had killed her.</i>

496
00:24:33,544 --> 00:24:36,244
<i>He said he had cut her
into little pieces</i>

497
00:24:36,284 --> 00:24:38,014
<i>and dropped the pieces
in a river,</i>

498
00:24:38,044 --> 00:24:40,134
<i>and it was my fault.</i>

499
00:24:40,184 --> 00:24:43,134
<i>Then he'd call me back
and say that she
was still alive.</i>

500
00:24:43,184 --> 00:24:46,273
<i>And this went on and on and on.</i>

501
00:24:46,303 --> 00:24:49,103
<i>When Hubbard came back
to the U.S.,</i>

502
00:24:49,143 --> 00:24:51,444
<i>Sara persuaded him
to agree to a divorce</i>

503
00:24:51,474 --> 00:24:53,724
<i>and give her custody
of their daughter.</i>

504
00:24:53,764 --> 00:24:55,694
<i>When I left him, he cleaned out</i>

505
00:24:55,734 --> 00:24:57,143
<i>all the joint bank accounts</i>

506
00:24:57,203 --> 00:25:00,283
<i>so that I wouldn't
have any money.</i>

507
00:25:00,373 --> 00:25:03,483
<i>Hubbard soon lost
all his money, too.</i>

508
00:25:03,543 --> 00:25:06,793
<i>"Dianetics" proved
to be a passing fad,
like the hula hoop.</i>

509
00:25:06,823 --> 00:25:09,462
<i>But Hubbard still had
his imagination.</i>

510
00:25:09,492 --> 00:25:11,743
<i>So he repackaged the ideas
of "dianetics"</i>

511
00:25:11,783 --> 00:25:14,333
<i>into a religion
called scientology.</i>

512
00:25:16,333 --> 00:25:18,633
<i>Hubbard added more science
and more structure.</i>

513
00:25:18,673 --> 00:25:21,422
<i>Along with the e-meters
came a payment plan.</i>

514
00:25:21,452 --> 00:25:25,262
<i>Every step to "clear"
had a price tag.</i>

515
00:25:25,312 --> 00:25:27,722
How would you describe
your business model?

516
00:25:27,762 --> 00:25:31,012
Rapacious.

517
00:25:31,062 --> 00:25:33,402
It's all about making money.

518
00:25:33,432 --> 00:25:36,402
<i>Hubbard, from the beginning,
knew that</i>

519
00:25:36,442 --> 00:25:39,842
<i>people would pay
for this counseling
at a pretty good clip,</i>

520
00:25:39,872 --> 00:25:43,661
and so he continued
to come out with more
and more levels.

521
00:25:43,691 --> 00:25:47,581
<i>The real money
was in paying for these
higher and higher courses.</i>

522
00:25:47,611 --> 00:25:49,611
<i>They were getting
into thousands of dollars.</i>

523
00:25:49,651 --> 00:25:51,921
<i>Those prices
kept going up and up.</i>

524
00:25:51,951 --> 00:25:54,702
<i>That's really
where scientology begins</i>

525
00:25:54,752 --> 00:25:56,791
to create this indoctrination,

526
00:25:56,821 --> 00:25:58,661
is, "it's Hubbard
that came up with that,

527
00:25:58,671 --> 00:26:01,171
"only Hubbard,
and you have to
be a part of our group

528
00:26:01,211 --> 00:26:04,631
"to get
that spiritual satisfaction
you were looking for."

529
00:26:04,681 --> 00:26:06,501
The Hubbard college
of scientology,

530
00:26:06,521 --> 00:26:09,970
qualifications division,
department of certifications
and awards

531
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,840
does hereby certify
that Anthony a. Phillips

532
00:26:12,850 --> 00:26:15,141
has obtained the state of clear.

533
00:26:17,061 --> 00:26:20,280
<i>As more members
paid for Hubbard's bridge
to total freedom,</i>

534
00:26:20,310 --> 00:26:23,900
<i>the church's coffers
swelled with hundreds
of millions of dollars.</i>

535
00:26:23,980 --> 00:26:26,850
<i>From the beginning,
Hubbard tried to shelter
that revenue</i>

536
00:26:26,870 --> 00:26:28,740
<i>from any government taxes.</i>

537
00:26:28,790 --> 00:26:30,819
<i>The founding church
of scientology</i>

538
00:26:30,859 --> 00:26:34,289
<i>attempted in 1967 to get
a court determination</i>

539
00:26:34,329 --> 00:26:36,660
<i>that it was exempt
from federal taxation</i>

540
00:26:36,700 --> 00:26:40,200
<i>on the basis
that it was a nonprofit
religious organization.</i>

541
00:26:40,220 --> 00:26:43,379
<i>A federal court denied
the founding church
tax exemption,</i>

542
00:26:43,419 --> 00:26:47,869
<i>saying that some
of the church's earnings
from 1955 to 1959</i>

543
00:26:47,889 --> 00:26:51,809
<i>were used for
the personal benefit
of private individuals...</i>

544
00:26:51,839 --> 00:26:54,209
<i>L. Ron Hubbard
and family.</i>

545
00:26:54,229 --> 00:26:58,349
<i>"Abc news" has repeatedly
requested interviews
with Mr. Hubbard.</i>

546
00:26:58,379 --> 00:27:00,849
<i>We have been told
that he is unavailable.</i>

547
00:27:17,468 --> 00:27:20,068
<i>It was very exciting.</i>

548
00:27:20,108 --> 00:27:24,458
It was that heady mix
of emotion and belief,

549
00:27:24,508 --> 00:27:27,678
and it's...
You get stuck to it.

550
00:27:27,708 --> 00:27:31,717
It's so strong
that it sticks you like glue,

551
00:27:31,747 --> 00:27:33,977
and there's no way
you can get away from it.

552
00:27:35,047 --> 00:27:37,147
<i>I was deeply convinced</i>

553
00:27:37,187 --> 00:27:39,588
<i>that we were going
to save the world.</i>

554
00:27:39,618 --> 00:27:44,137
I considered myself
tremendously fortunate

555
00:27:44,197 --> 00:27:46,227
to be in that position.

556
00:27:47,777 --> 00:27:50,267
<i>Out of the blue one day,</i>

557
00:27:50,287 --> 00:27:52,147
<i>I received this envelope</i>

558
00:27:52,197 --> 00:27:55,606
<i>with an invitation
to join the sea project.</i>

559
00:27:55,616 --> 00:27:58,136
<i>It was completely confidential.</i>

560
00:27:58,176 --> 00:28:00,907
<i>I wasn't to tell anyone
about it,</i>

561
00:28:00,947 --> 00:28:04,627
<i>and I was so ecstatic.</i>

562
00:28:04,667 --> 00:28:07,466
<i>Here was a chance
to work with Hubbard.</i>

563
00:28:07,496 --> 00:28:09,996
<i>And I signed, "yes!"</i>

564
00:28:10,056 --> 00:28:14,116
I was on my way
to the greatest adventure
in my life.

565
00:28:14,136 --> 00:28:19,005
<i>We had an overnight flight
to Las Palmas in
the Canary Islands,</i>

566
00:28:19,055 --> 00:28:22,766
<i>where we found,
at about 6:00 in the morning,</i>

567
00:28:22,796 --> 00:28:26,066
<i>we were taxied down to a dock.</i>

568
00:28:26,096 --> 00:28:28,816
<i>We had to climb up
this rickety ladder,</i>

569
00:28:28,856 --> 00:28:31,105
<i>all the way up to the ship,</i>

570
00:28:31,135 --> 00:28:33,605
<i>and we couldn't believe
this was where we were going.</i>

571
00:28:33,645 --> 00:28:36,945
<i>This ship was a rusty hulk.</i>

572
00:28:36,975 --> 00:28:40,445
<i>I was given a dirty
old jumpsuit to get into,</i>

573
00:28:40,485 --> 00:28:44,245
<i>missing one arm
and the other one was
almost half torn off,</i>

574
00:28:44,285 --> 00:28:48,455
<i>and put to work.
We had to scrub the ship
and clean out the ship,</i>

575
00:28:48,485 --> 00:28:52,095
<i>which was arduous,
strenuous work,</i>

576
00:28:52,125 --> 00:28:53,794
<i>in the heat.</i>

577
00:28:53,824 --> 00:28:56,014
<i>Hubbard came
to the ship every day,</i>

578
00:28:56,044 --> 00:29:00,134
<i>smoking cigarettes
and surveying his kingdom.</i>

579
00:29:00,184 --> 00:29:02,834
<i>After dinner,
he'd come and join us</i>

580
00:29:02,854 --> 00:29:05,054
<i>on the well deck.</i>

581
00:29:05,104 --> 00:29:07,334
There he was, you know,
right amongst us,

582
00:29:07,354 --> 00:29:09,144
talking to us.

583
00:29:09,174 --> 00:29:12,894
<i>He would be
his most magnificent self</i>

584
00:29:12,944 --> 00:29:15,284
<i>at those times.</i>

585
00:29:15,314 --> 00:29:18,853
<i>He'd lean back,
he'd look up at the cosmos,</i>

586
00:29:18,863 --> 00:29:22,233
<i>and he'd point out galaxies</i>

587
00:29:22,283 --> 00:29:24,123
<i>and constellations,</i>

588
00:29:24,153 --> 00:29:27,044
<i>and he'd say,
"the fifth invaders
are up there,</i>

589
00:29:27,074 --> 00:29:29,963
<i>"and this is how they dressed
and this is how they talk.</i>

590
00:29:29,993 --> 00:29:32,583
<i>"And see that blip
across the sky over there?"</i>

591
00:29:32,633 --> 00:29:36,533
<i>He'd point it out,
and we were all,
"yes, we see it, we see it."</i>

592
00:29:36,553 --> 00:29:38,883
<i>He'd say, "and that's one
of their space vessels..."</i>

593
00:29:38,923 --> 00:29:42,372
<i>And there was... the fourth
invader force was here.</i>

594
00:29:42,392 --> 00:29:45,092
<i>The fifth invader force came in.</i>

595
00:29:45,142 --> 00:29:49,093
<i>And the name
of this solar system
is space station 33.</i>

596
00:29:49,143 --> 00:29:51,812
<i>The fourth invader force
had been there</i>

597
00:29:51,852 --> 00:29:54,102
<i>for God knows how many
skillion years,</i>

598
00:29:54,152 --> 00:29:55,572
<i>had been sitting down...</i>

599
00:29:55,652 --> 00:29:57,932
<i>And we'd sit there, spellbound.</i>

600
00:29:57,992 --> 00:30:01,272
<i>You could hear a pin drop
on that ship.</i>

601
00:30:01,322 --> 00:30:05,991
<i>He had us emotionally
captured and held</i>

602
00:30:06,031 --> 00:30:09,582
right there
in the palm of his hand
where he wanted us.

603
00:30:09,612 --> 00:30:11,872
He had us right there.

604
00:30:13,842 --> 00:30:15,501
<i>In the early '60s,</i>

605
00:30:15,541 --> 00:30:18,201
<i>Hubbard was
under investigation
in various countries.</i>

606
00:30:18,241 --> 00:30:21,171
<i>His solution was to take
to the high seas.</i>

607
00:30:21,211 --> 00:30:24,341
<i>He made himself commodore
of a fleet of three ships,</i>

608
00:30:24,381 --> 00:30:26,281
<i>a scientology Navy.</i>

609
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:29,101
<i>To crew the vessels,</i>

610
00:30:29,131 --> 00:30:30,751
<i>he created the sea organization.</i>

611
00:30:30,771 --> 00:30:33,051
<i>The members of
this so-called sea org</i>

612
00:30:33,091 --> 00:30:35,471
<i>would become
the church's clergy.</i>

613
00:30:35,521 --> 00:30:38,221
<i>They began going
from port to port</i>

614
00:30:38,261 --> 00:30:41,140
in the mediterranean,
show up for a few days,

615
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,610
and then go off... sail off
in some other direction.

616
00:30:43,650 --> 00:30:46,100
And a very enterprising reporter

617
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,270
for Grenada television
in britain

618
00:30:48,290 --> 00:30:49,601
tracked him down...

619
00:30:49,621 --> 00:30:51,370
Slate one, take one.

620
00:30:51,410 --> 00:30:53,410
<i>That's one
of the very few instances</i>

621
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,410
<i>where Hubbard has actually
appeared on camera.</i>

622
00:30:57,580 --> 00:30:59,630
What are you actually doing

623
00:30:59,660 --> 00:31:01,500
on this ship now?

624
00:31:01,550 --> 00:31:04,619
I am studying
ancient civilizations,

625
00:31:04,639 --> 00:31:08,049
trying to find
what happened to them,

626
00:31:08,089 --> 00:31:10,589
finding out why they went...

627
00:31:10,630 --> 00:31:14,290
Into a decline, why they died.

628
00:31:14,310 --> 00:31:18,309
<i>Hubbard believed that
he had lived various lives</i>

629
00:31:18,349 --> 00:31:22,319
<i>in the mediterranean area
as a venetian prince,</i>

630
00:31:22,349 --> 00:31:24,649
as an Italian prince.

631
00:31:24,689 --> 00:31:26,518
As a matter of fact,
it's quite interesting

632
00:31:26,578 --> 00:31:29,308
that exercises can be conducted,

633
00:31:29,328 --> 00:31:32,159
which demonstrate conclusively
that there are memories

634
00:31:32,199 --> 00:31:34,279
which exist prior to this life.

635
00:31:34,319 --> 00:31:37,749
<i>He had buried treasure
all around the coastline,</i>

636
00:31:37,789 --> 00:31:42,338
<i>and he wanted to go find
all these caches of treasure.</i>

637
00:31:42,368 --> 00:31:45,628
<i>We were all very heated,
very excited about this.</i>

638
00:31:45,658 --> 00:31:48,998
<i>Whatever was his whim, we did.</i>

639
00:31:49,028 --> 00:31:50,957
We would have died
for the old man.

640
00:31:52,267 --> 00:31:53,668
<i>Don't you wake up sometimes</i>

641
00:31:53,688 --> 00:31:56,298
<i>in the middle of the night
and think to yourself,</i>

642
00:31:56,338 --> 00:31:58,638
<i>"well, I've been on this ship
with a whole lot</i>

643
00:31:58,668 --> 00:32:01,168
<i>"of scientologists
who believe I'm fantastic..."</i>

644
00:32:01,188 --> 00:32:03,107
They don't believe
I'm fantastic.

645
00:32:03,137 --> 00:32:07,857
If you saw the number of times
they don't follow my orders...

646
00:32:08,947 --> 00:32:11,677
<i>Lrh started to devise</i>

647
00:32:11,697 --> 00:32:14,617
<i>a system of penalties
or punishments</i>

648
00:32:14,657 --> 00:32:16,237
<i>or what he called ethics.</i>

649
00:32:16,287 --> 00:32:19,157
<i>And one of the penalties
for the auditors</i>

650
00:32:19,187 --> 00:32:21,377
<i>making mistakes
in their auditing sessions</i>

651
00:32:21,407 --> 00:32:23,577
<i>was to be tossed overboard.</i>

652
00:32:23,627 --> 00:32:26,246
"You have done such and such
and such and such,

653
00:32:26,296 --> 00:32:28,886
<i>"and we commit your errors
to the deep."</i>

654
00:32:28,916 --> 00:32:32,166
<i>And then just pushed overboard.</i>

655
00:32:32,216 --> 00:32:35,387
<i>30 feet, 35 feet,</i>

656
00:32:53,025 --> 00:32:56,395
do you ever think that
you might be quite mad?

657
00:32:56,405 --> 00:32:58,726
Oh, yes!

658
00:32:58,746 --> 00:33:02,165
The one man in the world
who never believes he's mad

659
00:33:02,195 --> 00:33:04,415
is the madman.

660
00:33:23,455 --> 00:33:26,454
<i>So we got married a year
and a half after we joined</i>

661
00:33:26,484 --> 00:33:29,054
<i>and moved to California.
I wanted to be a writer,</i>

662
00:33:29,094 --> 00:33:31,454
<i>and my wife...
She was studying scientology.</i>

663
00:33:31,494 --> 00:33:33,994
<i>We had a baby right away,
and the only people</i>

664
00:33:34,034 --> 00:33:36,094
<i>we knew there
were scientologists.</i>

665
00:33:36,134 --> 00:33:38,733
I was working
as a furniture mover
during the day

666
00:33:38,763 --> 00:33:41,434
and writing spec scripts
at night.

667
00:33:41,474 --> 00:33:44,104
<i>Then on the weekends, I'd be,
you know, doing some auditing.</i>

668
00:33:44,124 --> 00:33:45,904
<i>Can you recall a time
when you were happy?</i>

669
00:33:45,954 --> 00:33:47,274
<i>There was
a social aspect to it too.</i>

670
00:33:47,294 --> 00:33:48,743
<i>You got to hang out with people.</i>

671
00:33:48,773 --> 00:33:51,773
<i>And there were some
interesting people,
nice people.</i>

672
00:33:51,793 --> 00:33:54,074
These are all people
who are looking to improve
their life.

673
00:34:16,272 --> 00:34:18,742
<i>While Hubbard was hiding
from public view,</i>

674
00:34:18,772 --> 00:34:21,803
<i>he was very active
in directing the operations
of the church,</i>

675
00:34:21,823 --> 00:34:23,942
<i>particularly in Hollywood.</i>

676
00:34:23,982 --> 00:34:26,442
This was just after
the haight-ashbury era.

677
00:34:26,482 --> 00:34:29,112
<i>And what scientology
was selling itself is,</i>

678
00:34:29,152 --> 00:34:31,582
<i>"get high
without drugs."</i>

679
00:34:31,622 --> 00:34:34,832
<i>It was a place
where people went
and explored ideas,</i>

680
00:34:34,872 --> 00:34:37,671
<i>and you would often see
famous people...</i>

681
00:34:37,711 --> 00:34:40,961
<i>Leonard Cohen,
members of the grateful dead,</i>

682
00:34:40,991 --> 00:34:42,712
<i>rock Hudson.</i>

683
00:34:42,762 --> 00:34:45,382
<i>So they built
the celebrity centre.</i>

684
00:34:45,432 --> 00:34:49,001
<i>The idea was to draw in
these famous entertainers</i>

685
00:34:49,021 --> 00:34:53,101
<i>and use them as pitchmen
for the religion.</i>

686
00:34:53,141 --> 00:34:54,941
In an industry like Hollywood,

687
00:34:54,971 --> 00:34:58,641
where stardom is such...
Such an illusive quality,

688
00:34:58,681 --> 00:35:02,710
<i>scientology would offer
a route to maybe feel
a little bit more secure.</i>

689
00:35:02,750 --> 00:35:05,821
<i>And when you're
trying to break in,
you're also dealing with</i>

690
00:35:05,851 --> 00:35:07,531
relentless rejection.

691
00:35:07,571 --> 00:35:09,451
And something
that helps you stay focused

692
00:35:09,491 --> 00:35:12,040
and feel that
you're improving yourself

693
00:35:12,070 --> 00:35:15,580
and becoming more clear,
you can see the appeal of that.

694
00:35:15,630 --> 00:35:20,410
The beliefs and practices
that I have studied
in scientology

695
00:35:20,470 --> 00:35:23,249
have been invaluable to me.

696
00:35:23,299 --> 00:35:25,330
Have you ever met Ron Hubbard?

697
00:35:25,390 --> 00:35:29,170
I'd love to.
I'd be honored, because
i think he's so brilliant.

698
00:35:32,810 --> 00:35:35,179
<i>So when I worked
at the celebrity centre,</i>

699
00:35:35,209 --> 00:35:38,509
I would just, you know,
recruit various people.

700
00:35:38,549 --> 00:35:42,649
<i>Like Priscilla Presley
and of course John Travolta.</i>

701
00:35:42,689 --> 00:35:45,769
<i>Johnny... he came,
he started on course,</i>

702
00:35:45,819 --> 00:35:48,359
and he was so fun
and outrageous.

703
00:35:48,389 --> 00:35:51,629
<i>And he just made a party
wherever he was.</i>

704
00:35:51,659 --> 00:35:53,909
<i>John Travolta was a young actor</i>

705
00:35:53,949 --> 00:35:57,229
<i>in his very first movie.</i>

706
00:35:57,249 --> 00:35:59,588
<i>He was a troubled young man,</i>

707
00:35:59,618 --> 00:36:01,088
<i>and he was looking for help.</i>

708
00:36:01,118 --> 00:36:05,118
<i>A fellow actor gave him
a little bit of scientology
counseling.</i>

709
00:36:05,178 --> 00:36:06,928
<i>She gave him a copy
of "dianetics,"</i>

710
00:36:06,958 --> 00:36:09,209
and he was transported by this.

711
00:36:09,249 --> 00:36:10,578
He would go out
on his auditions,

712
00:36:10,598 --> 00:36:12,078
and no matter
what he went out for,

713
00:36:12,098 --> 00:36:14,928
<i>he would get it.</i>

714
00:36:14,968 --> 00:36:17,268
<i>A band-aid commercial,
right away he booked that.</i>

715
00:36:17,308 --> 00:36:18,768
<i>Now the army starts you...</i>

716
00:36:18,808 --> 00:36:20,308
<i>He was booking everything,</i>

717
00:36:20,358 --> 00:36:22,607
<i>and then he went up
for a series.</i>

718
00:36:22,637 --> 00:36:24,107
Of course, he books it.

719
00:36:24,147 --> 00:36:26,647
And it's a big series...
"Welcome back, kotter."

720
00:36:26,697 --> 00:36:28,448
Up your nose with a rubber hose!

721
00:36:30,448 --> 00:36:32,448
<i>In the late '70s and early '80s,</i>

722
00:36:32,488 --> 00:36:36,137
<i>John Travolta
was scientology's
biggest star.</i>

723
00:36:36,167 --> 00:36:40,037
<i>Spanky was assigned to be
travolta’s key contact
with the church,</i>

724
00:36:40,077 --> 00:36:43,677
<i>and she helped out
with producers, fans,
and the press.</i>

725
00:36:43,717 --> 00:36:46,816
<i>They became close,
and when spanky got married,</i>

726
00:36:46,846 --> 00:36:48,546
<i>Travolta was there.</i>

727
00:36:48,586 --> 00:36:51,487
<i>When Johnny first
got into scientology,</i>

728
00:36:51,517 --> 00:36:53,637
he didn't even believe in
himself that much.

729
00:36:53,677 --> 00:36:56,227
<i>But he got injected
with a lot of confidence,</i>

730
00:36:56,257 --> 00:36:58,636
<i>and then you get
this phobia inducement</i>

731
00:36:58,676 --> 00:37:01,756
<i>that "if I leave,
it's all going to go
down the tubes."</i>

732
00:37:01,796 --> 00:37:03,846
When you're in the organization,

733
00:37:03,896 --> 00:37:06,066
all the good that happens to you

734
00:37:06,096 --> 00:37:07,796
is because of scientology,

735
00:37:07,816 --> 00:37:10,856
and everything that doesn't,
that isn't good, is your fault.

736
00:37:12,406 --> 00:37:15,636
<i>They sell it all
in the beginning as something
quite logical.</i>

737
00:37:15,656 --> 00:37:18,276
<i>Everything makes sense.</i>

738
00:37:18,316 --> 00:37:20,746
And you're going up
what they call the bridge,

739
00:37:20,786 --> 00:37:22,865
you're dong this auditing,
and this is good.

740
00:37:22,915 --> 00:37:25,085
And the next one,
well, it's not quite as good.

741
00:37:25,115 --> 00:37:27,955
It didn't quite make sense
to you, but...

742
00:37:27,985 --> 00:37:30,785
You know, you've already
paid for the next one,
so you'll do that one.

743
00:37:32,845 --> 00:37:35,655
<i>The bridge...
It's a metaphor.</i>

744
00:37:35,675 --> 00:37:38,165
You start here
at the bottom of the bridge

745
00:37:38,185 --> 00:37:40,015
and then you go to the top,
so where it is...

746
00:37:40,045 --> 00:37:42,185
It's an awareness scale.

747
00:37:42,215 --> 00:37:45,464
<i>You start down here
and you're not aware
of anything,</i>

748
00:37:45,504 --> 00:37:48,024
<i>then you go up here
and you're a lot more aware</i>

749
00:37:48,054 --> 00:37:50,694
<i>of who you are,</i>

750
00:37:50,724 --> 00:37:55,145
your spirituality,
your relationship to others.

751
00:37:55,185 --> 00:37:58,314
<i>A person is supposed to
become more able</i>

752
00:37:58,354 --> 00:38:00,064
<i>as they go up the bridge.</i>

753
00:38:00,114 --> 00:38:04,184
<i>And then there are
the ot levels...</i>

754
00:38:04,204 --> 00:38:05,874
<i>Operating thetan.</i>

755
00:38:05,904 --> 00:38:08,024
<i>And a thetan
is a spiritual being.</i>

756
00:38:08,044 --> 00:38:10,523
<i>That's the soul of the person.</i>

757
00:38:10,543 --> 00:38:13,163
<i>And what level, over time,
did you achieve?</i>

758
00:38:13,193 --> 00:38:15,864
Ot eight.
That's the highest there is.

759
00:38:15,884 --> 00:38:18,384
You can't get any higher
than ot eight.

760
00:38:18,424 --> 00:38:20,223
From the beginning,
you hear these stories

761
00:38:20,253 --> 00:38:23,053
people tell of these abilities
they've been able to gain.

762
00:38:23,093 --> 00:38:26,713
It was always talked about,
the people who were ot
could read your mind,

763
00:38:26,723 --> 00:38:29,313
and they could
move objects at will,

764
00:38:29,343 --> 00:38:33,352
and they could...
They were cause over matter,
energy, space, and time,

765
00:38:33,382 --> 00:38:36,233
so it sounded damn good to me.

766
00:38:36,273 --> 00:38:38,723
I mean, I thought,
"wow, this is great."

767
00:38:38,743 --> 00:38:42,943
<i>I finally get to ot three,</i>

768
00:38:42,993 --> 00:38:44,912
<i>and they give me
the secret materials,</i>

769
00:38:44,942 --> 00:38:46,612
<i>which I've been hearing about
all this time.</i>

770
00:38:46,662 --> 00:38:48,662
<i>They're handwritten by Hubbard.</i>

771
00:38:48,702 --> 00:38:51,252
<i>You have to keep them
in a locked briefcase,</i>

772
00:38:51,282 --> 00:38:53,332
<i>be very cautious,
because they always said,</i>

773
00:38:53,372 --> 00:38:55,372
<i>"if this gets out,
it's dangerous to people.</i>

774
00:38:55,402 --> 00:38:59,542
<i>"It could actually
do them harm if they
are not adequately prepared."</i>

775
00:39:00,842 --> 00:39:03,242
And I read it.

776
00:39:03,262 --> 00:39:05,542
And...

777
00:39:05,582 --> 00:39:07,761
It doesn't make any sense.

778
00:39:07,801 --> 00:39:10,721
This gobbled story
that didn't make sense.

779
00:39:10,771 --> 00:39:14,801
I remember for
one fleeting second thinking,
"maybe it's an insanity test.

780
00:39:14,861 --> 00:39:16,611
"Maybe if you believe this,
they kick you out.

781
00:39:16,641 --> 00:39:19,861
"You know, maybe that's it."
That, of course,
is not the case.

782
00:39:19,891 --> 00:39:23,201
They talk about, you know,
the fact that the earth
was created

783
00:39:23,231 --> 00:39:25,561
in such-and-such trillions
of years ago,

784
00:39:25,601 --> 00:39:28,821
and this guy...
Space guy...

785
00:39:28,871 --> 00:39:31,620
Galactic overlord...
This was a prison planet,

786
00:39:31,660 --> 00:39:34,370
and people being
caught, captured,

787
00:39:34,410 --> 00:39:36,080
and being brought
to planet earth...

788
00:39:36,110 --> 00:39:39,501
And put them in volcanoes
and blowing them up
with a-bombs.

789
00:39:39,551 --> 00:39:41,301
Whoa!

790
00:39:41,331 --> 00:39:43,780
I studied geography in school.

791
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:47,120
Those volcanoes didn't exist
75 million years ago.

792
00:39:47,140 --> 00:39:50,290
And we have these lost souls
all over us

793
00:39:50,310 --> 00:39:52,460
and we have
to get rid of them,
and I'm going,

794
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:56,349
"what... the fuck
are you talking about?

795
00:39:56,399 --> 00:39:58,979
"I mean, I'm down
for the self-help stuff.

796
00:39:59,019 --> 00:40:00,520
"I'm down for...
Okay, I can be clear.

797
00:40:00,570 --> 00:40:03,070
"I can get rid of
the negative emotions.

798
00:40:03,100 --> 00:40:04,300
"But what the fuck is this?"

799
00:40:07,489 --> 00:40:10,409
<i>When you get
to the upper levels
of scientology,</i>

800
00:40:10,449 --> 00:40:12,499
the creation myth
is explained to you.

801
00:40:12,529 --> 00:40:17,029
<i>The story is that
75 million years ago,</i>

802
00:40:17,089 --> 00:40:19,648
<i>people lived in a world
very much like the world</i>

803
00:40:19,668 --> 00:40:22,289
<i>of America in the 1950s.</i>

804
00:40:22,319 --> 00:40:24,509
<i>People, at that particular
time and space,</i>

805
00:40:24,539 --> 00:40:26,959
<i>were walking around
in clothes which looked</i>

806
00:40:26,989 --> 00:40:30,708
<i>very remarkably like
the clothes they wear
in this very minute.</i>

807
00:40:30,768 --> 00:40:34,328
<i>And the cars they drove
looked exactly the same,</i>

808
00:40:34,348 --> 00:40:37,888
<i>and they walked down streets
that looked like these streets.</i>

809
00:40:37,938 --> 00:40:40,308
<i>It was a very similar world</i>

810
00:40:40,338 --> 00:40:41,638
<i>and similar problems,</i>

811
00:40:41,678 --> 00:40:43,978
<i>one of which was overpopulation.</i>

812
00:40:44,028 --> 00:40:45,728
<i>They had elected a fellow</i>

813
00:40:45,778 --> 00:40:48,678
<i>by the name of xenu
to the supreme ruler.</i>

814
00:40:48,698 --> 00:40:50,778
<i>There was a tyrannical overlord</i>

815
00:40:50,818 --> 00:40:53,518
<i>of the galactic confederacy
named xenu.</i>

816
00:40:53,538 --> 00:40:57,237
<i>In order
to resolve this problem
of overpopulation,</i>

817
00:40:57,287 --> 00:40:58,707
<i>he called people in,</i>

818
00:40:58,737 --> 00:41:01,207
<i>ostensibly for tax audits,</i>

819
00:41:01,247 --> 00:41:04,498
<i>and had them frozen
with injections</i>

820
00:41:04,528 --> 00:41:06,527
<i>of glycol to their heart.</i>

821
00:41:06,547 --> 00:41:09,167
<i>Boxed them up in boxes,
threw 'em into space planes...</i>

822
00:41:09,197 --> 00:41:12,087
<i>DC-8 airplane
is the exact copy</i>

823
00:41:12,137 --> 00:41:15,087
<i>of the space plane of that day.</i>

824
00:41:15,137 --> 00:41:19,176
<i>They were flown to
the prison planet, teegeeack...</i>

825
00:41:19,206 --> 00:41:20,676
<i>It's actually
the planet earth...</i>

826
00:41:20,706 --> 00:41:25,597
<i>And these frozen bodies
were then dropped
into volcanoes.</i>

827
00:41:25,687 --> 00:41:27,817
<i>And then they set off
hydrogen bombs</i>

828
00:41:27,857 --> 00:41:29,856
<i>on the top of each volcano.</i>

829
00:41:29,886 --> 00:41:32,156
<i>And their disembodied spirits...</i>

830
00:41:32,186 --> 00:41:33,986
<i>These are called thetans...</i>

831
00:41:34,026 --> 00:41:36,946
<i>Floated out,
and they were captured</i>

832
00:41:36,996 --> 00:41:40,116
<i>and forced to sit
in front of movie screens.</i>

833
00:41:40,166 --> 00:41:43,695
<i>With a 3d, super colossal,
motion picture.</i>

834
00:41:43,735 --> 00:41:45,745
They were shown images...

835
00:41:45,785 --> 00:41:48,036
<i>Implants,
as Hubbard would have it.</i>

836
00:41:48,086 --> 00:41:49,756
<i>Every man is shown crucified,</i>

837
00:41:49,786 --> 00:41:52,426
<i>so is the psychiatrist
shown crucified.</i>

838
00:41:52,456 --> 00:41:54,175
<i>And that's how he gets away
with what he gets away with.</i>

839
00:41:54,215 --> 00:41:57,375
<i>He electric-shocks people.</i>

840
00:41:57,435 --> 00:42:00,245
<i>And when a child is born,</i>

841
00:42:00,265 --> 00:42:03,635
<i>a thetan will leap inside
the child's body</i>

842
00:42:03,685 --> 00:42:07,085
<i>at that very instant,
and it becomes like
the child's soul.</i>

843
00:42:07,105 --> 00:42:10,445
<i>More than one thetan
might crowd into the body...</i>

844
00:42:10,475 --> 00:42:13,265
<i>Hundreds, or thousands, might.</i>

845
00:42:13,275 --> 00:42:15,315
They're the source
of all of our neurosis,

846
00:42:15,365 --> 00:42:16,864
fears, and anxieties.

847
00:42:18,904 --> 00:42:20,934
<i>Then you are
on the e-meter,</i>

848
00:42:20,954 --> 00:42:22,314
<i>by yourself, now.</i>

849
00:42:22,374 --> 00:42:23,784
<i>You're soloing.</i>

850
00:42:23,824 --> 00:42:27,204
<i>You're supposed
to scan, mentally,</i>

851
00:42:27,244 --> 00:42:29,624
<i>from your top of your head
to your toes,</i>

852
00:42:29,664 --> 00:42:33,714
to see if you can locate
any alien beings.

853
00:42:33,744 --> 00:42:37,114
And when you do,
you tell them to go away.

854
00:42:37,134 --> 00:42:40,783
<i>I kept on trying to audit.</i>

855
00:42:40,803 --> 00:42:45,143
<i>I could not figure out
how I could have</i>

856
00:42:45,173 --> 00:42:48,393
all these spirits
of dead people
attached to me,

857
00:42:48,433 --> 00:42:50,234
inside me, on me.

858
00:42:50,264 --> 00:42:52,293
I was clear.

859
00:42:52,313 --> 00:42:54,853
For God's sake, I was clear.

860
00:42:54,903 --> 00:42:57,023
People actually have breakdowns,

861
00:42:57,073 --> 00:42:58,483
you know, nervous breakdowns,

862
00:42:58,523 --> 00:43:01,023
because they spend
so much time thinking

863
00:43:01,073 --> 00:43:04,072
<i>about being infested
by these creatures.</i>

864
00:43:04,112 --> 00:43:08,282
<i>If you're
really believing that,
it can drive you crazy.</i>

865
00:43:19,592 --> 00:43:22,342
<i>Those years of introspection</i>

866
00:43:22,382 --> 00:43:26,132
eventually led me
to sincerely considering

867
00:43:26,162 --> 00:43:29,931
that I was so bad,

868
00:43:29,971 --> 00:43:34,472
that I couldn't confront
how bad I was.

869
00:43:34,512 --> 00:43:37,062
I didn't know it at the time,

870
00:43:37,112 --> 00:43:40,311
but a depression set in
that was with me for years,

871
00:43:40,341 --> 00:43:43,361
<i>and the worst thing was</i>

872
00:43:43,401 --> 00:43:47,571
<i>that lrh kept ordering me
to more auditing.</i>

873
00:43:47,621 --> 00:43:51,151
<i>I had to find swords
that were stuck in me...</i>

874
00:43:51,191 --> 00:43:53,291
Hypothetical swords,

875
00:43:53,321 --> 00:43:56,531
imaginary swords that
were causing all this pain.

876
00:43:56,541 --> 00:43:59,461
<i>This auditing went on and on.</i>

877
00:43:59,501 --> 00:44:01,251
<i>It wasn't doing any good.</i>

878
00:44:01,301 --> 00:44:03,700
<i>I should have been left alone.</i>

879
00:44:03,720 --> 00:44:07,050
<i>But everything
that I took offense with,</i>

880
00:44:07,090 --> 00:44:09,810
<i>I rationalized
almost immediately.</i>

881
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:11,610
<i>I had to.</i>

882
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:15,510
I could not continue
in this game of scientology

883
00:44:15,550 --> 00:44:19,600
without explaining away
what he was doing.

884
00:44:19,650 --> 00:44:24,150
<i>It got to be a way of believing,</i>

885
00:44:24,190 --> 00:44:28,409
<i>and every one of us
got into that.</i>

886
00:44:28,439 --> 00:44:32,409
<i>It was part of the mind control.</i>

887
00:44:32,449 --> 00:44:36,120
<i>It was part of
the cultic manipulation.</i>

888
00:44:36,170 --> 00:44:39,449
<i>He was the master
who did it to us,</i>

889
00:44:39,499 --> 00:44:43,669
<i>and we took it on
and then we did it
to ourselves.</i>

890
00:44:43,709 --> 00:44:46,339
<i>And I learned from it,</i>

891
00:44:46,379 --> 00:44:49,549
that I would never ever again,

892
00:44:49,599 --> 00:44:52,208
you know, go...
Do the bidding of a tyrant.

893
00:45:02,428 --> 00:45:05,788
<i>Hubbard questioned
his own sanity</i>

894
00:45:05,828 --> 00:45:08,898
<i>and actually wrote a letter
to the veteran's administration</i>

895
00:45:08,928 --> 00:45:10,768
<i>asking for psychiatric help</i>

896
00:45:10,788 --> 00:45:14,197
<i>that he seems
never to have been given.</i>

897
00:45:14,237 --> 00:45:18,288
I think
that his whole creation
of scientology

898
00:45:18,328 --> 00:45:20,608
really was a form
of self-therapy.

899
00:45:20,628 --> 00:45:23,798
<i>If he were just a fraud,
then at some point,</i>

900
00:45:23,828 --> 00:45:25,748
<i>he would have
taken the money and run,</i>

901
00:45:25,778 --> 00:45:27,167
<i>but he never did that.</i>

902
00:45:27,217 --> 00:45:29,967
<i>He spent much of his day
on the e-meter,</i>

903
00:45:29,997 --> 00:45:32,117
<i>trying to understand
what was going on</i>

904
00:45:32,137 --> 00:45:33,957
<i>inside his own mind.</i>

905
00:45:35,677 --> 00:45:37,587
<i>Hubbard became
increasingly paranoid</i>

906
00:45:37,627 --> 00:45:40,127
<i>that a powerful thetan
had infected his body</i>

907
00:45:40,147 --> 00:45:42,097
<i>and that regular auditing</i>

908
00:45:42,127 --> 00:45:44,847
<i>wasn't strong enough
to make it leave.</i>

909
00:45:44,897 --> 00:45:46,597
<i>When Larry Wright
was researching his book,</i>

910
00:45:46,637 --> 00:45:49,267
<i>he videotaped an interview
with a scientologist</i>

911
00:45:49,307 --> 00:45:52,656
<i>who was asked
to help Hubbard
expel the thetan.</i>

912
00:45:52,686 --> 00:45:55,106
He was having, uh, problems

913
00:45:55,146 --> 00:45:58,196
getting rid of a bt...
Body thetan...

914
00:45:58,246 --> 00:46:00,917
<i>So he wanted me
to build a machine,</i>

915
00:46:00,947 --> 00:46:03,446
<i>and basically
blow the thetan away,</i>

916
00:46:03,496 --> 00:46:04,866
<i>just get him out of there.</i>

917
00:46:04,916 --> 00:46:07,506
Blow him out.
And also kill the body.

918
00:46:09,876 --> 00:46:11,826
Basically, yeah.
Yeah.

919
00:46:13,295 --> 00:46:14,995
<i>But I didn't want to kill him.</i>

920
00:46:15,025 --> 00:46:16,895
<i>I just wanted to scare him.</i>

921
00:46:16,925 --> 00:46:21,015
So I had read some books
about Nikola tesla and stuff,

922
00:46:21,055 --> 00:46:23,356
<i>and I figured maybe
buildin' a tesla coil</i>

923
00:46:23,386 --> 00:46:26,105
<i>would probably be
the best route to go.</i>

924
00:46:27,775 --> 00:46:29,475
<i>I had little electrodes</i>

925
00:46:29,505 --> 00:46:31,395
<i>that you hook it up
to the e-meter,</i>

926
00:46:31,445 --> 00:46:32,505
<i>so when he's on the cans,</i>

927
00:46:32,525 --> 00:46:34,645
<i>then, uh, he would
just flip the button,</i>

928
00:46:34,685 --> 00:46:37,844
<i>and it would do its thing.</i>

929
00:46:41,034 --> 00:46:43,525
As far as I know.
He blew up my e-meter.

930
00:46:43,535 --> 00:46:45,205
Burned it up.

931
00:46:47,875 --> 00:46:50,544
Scientology really is a journey

932
00:46:50,574 --> 00:46:52,994
into the mind
of l. Ron Hubbard.

933
00:46:53,034 --> 00:46:56,214
<i>And the further you get into it,</i>

934
00:46:56,254 --> 00:46:59,554
<i>the more like
l. Ron Hubbard
you become.</i>

935
00:47:06,644 --> 00:47:10,184
Thank you.

936
00:47:10,234 --> 00:47:14,983
In 1980, lrh moved off the lines

937
00:47:15,023 --> 00:47:18,153
so that he could
continue his writings

938
00:47:18,193 --> 00:47:21,353
and researches
without any distractions.

939
00:47:23,943 --> 00:47:28,943
He has now moved on
to his next ot...

940
00:47:29,003 --> 00:47:31,503
Level of ot research.

941
00:47:31,533 --> 00:47:34,903
This level is beyond anything
any one of us ever imagined.

942
00:47:34,923 --> 00:47:37,702
This level is in fact done

943
00:47:37,742 --> 00:47:40,572
in an exterior state,

944
00:47:40,592 --> 00:47:43,012
meaning that it is done
completely exterior

945
00:47:43,042 --> 00:47:45,012
from the body.

946
00:47:45,052 --> 00:47:47,912
At this level of ot,

947
00:47:47,932 --> 00:47:49,382
the body is nothing more

948
00:47:49,422 --> 00:47:52,082
than an impediment
and encumbrance

949
00:47:52,102 --> 00:47:54,972
to any further gain as an ot.

950
00:47:57,142 --> 00:47:58,892
Thus...

951
00:48:00,281 --> 00:48:03,261
Thus, at 2000 hours,

952
00:48:03,281 --> 00:48:06,531
Friday, the 24th of January,

953
00:48:06,571 --> 00:48:08,282
a.D. 36,

954
00:48:08,322 --> 00:48:10,322
l. Ron Hubbard
discarded the body

955
00:48:10,372 --> 00:48:12,491
he had used in this lifetime

956
00:48:12,541 --> 00:48:16,631
for 74 years,
10 months, and 11 days.

957
00:48:16,661 --> 00:48:18,911
Although you may feel grief,

958
00:48:18,951 --> 00:48:22,751
understand that he did not,
and does not now.

959
00:48:25,590 --> 00:48:29,291
<i>Hubbard died
of a stroke in 1986,</i>

960
00:48:29,311 --> 00:48:32,221
<i>but he left no plan
for succession.</i>

961
00:48:32,261 --> 00:48:34,981
<i>The ambitious David Miscavige
stepped forward,</i>

962
00:48:35,010 --> 00:48:37,800
<i>and by bending arms
and making deals,</i>

963
00:48:37,820 --> 00:48:39,460
<i>took control of the church</i>

964
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:42,400
<i>and installed
a new generation
of lieutenants.</i>

965
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:44,100
We want to make sure

966
00:48:44,140 --> 00:48:47,609
that all of us end cycle
on this completely,

967
00:48:47,659 --> 00:48:50,780
so we can get on with the job

968
00:48:50,810 --> 00:48:52,640
that is ahead of us.

969
00:48:52,660 --> 00:48:56,370
<i>The first time I met
Miscavige was in '83.</i>

970
00:48:56,420 --> 00:48:58,200
He was a guy
running back and forth

971
00:48:58,250 --> 00:49:01,669
between Hubbard
and the property
in hemet in a van...

972
00:49:01,709 --> 00:49:05,039
Back and forth,
delivering messages.

973
00:49:05,089 --> 00:49:07,679
<i>Worked my way
through the organization.</i>

974
00:49:07,709 --> 00:49:10,209
<i>Miscavige would
come down to Florida,</i>

975
00:49:10,259 --> 00:49:12,009
<i>where I was running the place,</i>

976
00:49:12,049 --> 00:49:15,129
<i>and we slowly
but surely became friends.</i>

977
00:49:15,169 --> 00:49:18,369
By 2001,
i was working directly
for Miscavige.

978
00:49:19,309 --> 00:49:21,439
<i>We'd sit and drink
a bottle of scotch,</i>

979
00:49:21,479 --> 00:49:23,708
<i>and I'd hear
everything he had to say
about the church,</i>

980
00:49:23,738 --> 00:49:26,408
<i>and about the people involved,
from his perspective.</i>

981
00:49:26,448 --> 00:49:29,698
And honestly, it was...
It was, uh, horrifying.
It was scary.

982
00:49:29,728 --> 00:49:32,349
<i>In scientology,
there was a concept</i>

983
00:49:32,369 --> 00:49:35,518
<i>that 98% of the people
are good and 2% are evil.</i>

984
00:49:35,538 --> 00:49:38,158
<i>Well, he worked very hard
to convince me</i>

985
00:49:38,188 --> 00:49:39,788
that it was
the other way around.

986
00:49:39,828 --> 00:49:43,078
2.5% were okay
and the rest were
very evil and bad.

987
00:49:43,128 --> 00:49:46,377
And somehow,
they'd all been dumped
on that base

988
00:49:46,417 --> 00:49:48,047
so they could be around him.

989
00:49:48,087 --> 00:49:50,247
He was...
He was extremely paranoid.

990
00:49:50,297 --> 00:49:54,058
So, Marty, is Miscavige
a true believer?

991
00:49:54,088 --> 00:49:54,632
Uh, yes.

992
00:49:58,877 --> 00:50:01,147
<i>He has to continue to believe,</i>

993
00:50:01,177 --> 00:50:02,947
<i>because if he looks
at it rationally</i>

994
00:50:02,977 --> 00:50:05,417
<i>and he sees that it is as I say,</i>

995
00:50:05,447 --> 00:50:07,187
<i>it will destroy him.</i>

996
00:50:07,217 --> 00:50:09,397
You know,
he'll just realize that...

997
00:50:09,437 --> 00:50:12,936
Because he's done
a lot worse than I've done.

998
00:50:12,986 --> 00:50:15,827
He's abused people
on a personal level,

999
00:50:15,857 --> 00:50:19,747
um, as a... as a...
That's how he got to the top,

1000
00:50:19,777 --> 00:50:22,776
and that's how
he stayed at the top.

1001
00:50:22,836 --> 00:50:25,196
<i>At the age of 11,</i>

1002
00:50:25,236 --> 00:50:28,456
<i>David Miscavige
joined the church
with his parents.</i>

1003
00:50:28,506 --> 00:50:31,456
<i>As a child, his ambition
caught Hubbard's eye.</i>

1004
00:50:31,506 --> 00:50:33,705
<i>So when Hubbard wanted
to become a filmmaker,</i>

1005
00:50:33,745 --> 00:50:36,546
<i>Miscavige was
his assistant cameraman.</i>

1006
00:50:36,576 --> 00:50:38,176
<i>An auditing prodigy,</i>

1007
00:50:38,216 --> 00:50:40,646
<i>he claimed scientology
cured his asthma.</i>

1008
00:50:40,686 --> 00:50:44,436
<i>He became a sort of
general contractor
for the church,</i>

1009
00:50:44,476 --> 00:50:46,605
<i>and was soon named
action chief...</i>

1010
00:50:46,635 --> 00:50:49,305
<i>The man who did
whatever needed doing
for a church</i>

1011
00:50:49,355 --> 00:50:51,755
<i>that developed
a scary reputation</i>

1012
00:50:51,775 --> 00:50:53,565
<i>for attacking its critics.</i>

1013
00:50:53,595 --> 00:50:55,275
<i>Scientology has been
in the headlines</i>

1014
00:50:55,315 --> 00:50:56,786
<i>off and on for 25 years now,</i>

1015
00:50:56,816 --> 00:50:59,595
<i>almost since the time
it was founded as a religion.</i>

1016
00:50:59,615 --> 00:51:01,815
<i>Scientology's story
is one of a church</i>

1017
00:51:01,875 --> 00:51:04,705
<i>embittered by what
it perceives as harassment.</i>

1018
00:51:04,745 --> 00:51:06,035
<i>We're talking about attacks</i>

1019
00:51:06,075 --> 00:51:07,945
from multi-billion dollar
media conglomerates,

1020
00:51:07,965 --> 00:51:11,464
<i>world governments...
Real powers of the world.</i>

1021
00:51:11,494 --> 00:51:14,164
They take enemies
very seriously.

1022
00:51:14,214 --> 00:51:15,884
This comes right out
of Hubbard's own policies

1023
00:51:15,914 --> 00:51:18,955
from the '60s,
saying, "we never defend,
we always attack."

1024
00:51:18,975 --> 00:51:20,974
<i>And they have followed it
ever since.</i>

1025
00:51:21,004 --> 00:51:22,284
<i>They call it "fair game,"</i>

1026
00:51:22,304 --> 00:51:25,424
<i>and anybody who criticizes
scientology is fair game.</i>

1027
00:51:25,464 --> 00:51:26,974
Whatever you're told,

1028
00:51:27,014 --> 00:51:28,894
whatever needs to be done,

1029
00:51:28,934 --> 00:51:31,434
if it's against the law,
it doesn't matter.

1030
00:51:31,484 --> 00:51:33,813
<i>The best example is,
in the mid '70s,</i>

1031
00:51:33,853 --> 00:51:37,603
<i>scientologists were
walking in to these
department of justice offices</i>

1032
00:51:37,633 --> 00:51:41,444
and IRS offices
and taking documents
out by the yard.

1033
00:51:41,474 --> 00:51:43,694
<i>The FBI raided
the church of scientology...</i>

1034
00:51:43,744 --> 00:51:45,913
<i>The largest raid
in FBI history
at that time.</i>

1035
00:51:45,943 --> 00:51:48,413
Oh my God.
The building
is filled with FBI,

1036
00:51:48,453 --> 00:51:50,203
and they're...
They're taking things.

1037
00:51:50,253 --> 00:51:51,983
<i>It was craziness.</i>

1038
00:51:52,003 --> 00:51:55,423
<i>Clearly, l. Ron Hubbard
was in charge of all of that,</i>

1039
00:51:55,453 --> 00:51:57,522
but he was only named
an unindicted co-conspirator.

1040
00:51:57,552 --> 00:51:59,452
<i>And Mary sue Hubbard,
Hubbard's wife,</i>

1041
00:51:59,492 --> 00:52:02,713
<i>she went to prison,
10 others went to prison.</i>

1042
00:52:02,763 --> 00:52:05,263
This was where
i cut my teeth.
I was in my early 20s,

1043
00:52:05,303 --> 00:52:06,963
<i>Miscavige was in his early 20s.</i>

1044
00:52:07,003 --> 00:52:08,712
<i>We were taking over
for this group</i>

1045
00:52:08,772 --> 00:52:11,552
that had created
the largest domestic
espionage operation

1046
00:52:11,602 --> 00:52:13,192
in the history
of the United States.

1047
00:52:13,222 --> 00:52:14,692
They were breaking into offices,

1048
00:52:14,722 --> 00:52:17,472
framing people.
This is the activities
of a church?

1049
00:52:17,512 --> 00:52:18,972
There was a guy who,
uh, you know,

1050
00:52:19,012 --> 00:52:21,031
was a reporter
for "the LA times,"

1051
00:52:21,061 --> 00:52:22,362
whose dog was poisoned

1052
00:52:22,402 --> 00:52:24,612
while he was working
on a scientology story.

1053
00:52:24,652 --> 00:52:26,872
<i>Again and again
while reporting the story,</i>

1054
00:52:26,902 --> 00:52:29,792
<i>we met many former members
who describe scientology</i>

1055
00:52:29,822 --> 00:52:33,191
<i>as a dangerous and deeply
paranoid organization.</i>

1056
00:52:33,211 --> 00:52:35,961
They hired private detectives
to harass people.

1057
00:52:35,991 --> 00:52:37,381
I have been sued twice.

1058
00:52:37,411 --> 00:52:38,631
Financial ruin.

1059
00:52:38,661 --> 00:52:39,831
Years of harassment.

1060
00:52:39,881 --> 00:52:41,701
Their homes broken into,
have them beaten.

1061
00:52:41,721 --> 00:52:44,831
We chased her around.
We followed her
to the airport.

1062
00:52:44,891 --> 00:52:47,221
Gotten ahold of
personal phone records.

1063
00:52:47,251 --> 00:52:49,641
Slashed their tires,
break their car windows.

1064
00:52:49,671 --> 00:52:52,011
I was locked
in a chicken wire cage.

1065
00:52:52,041 --> 00:52:55,510
Dangerous, horrifying,
terrifying fraud.

1066
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:57,350
A nightmare.

1067
00:52:57,380 --> 00:52:59,310
Many of their stories
are corroborated

1068
00:52:59,350 --> 00:53:02,680
in sworn court testimony
by up to a dozen other people.

1069
00:53:02,720 --> 00:53:04,401
Are they all lying?

1070
00:53:04,441 --> 00:53:05,601
They sat in a room,

1071
00:53:05,661 --> 00:53:07,060
they figured out
what they were going to say...

1072
00:53:07,070 --> 00:53:09,910
<i>My position,
as the spokesperson,</i>

1073
00:53:09,940 --> 00:53:13,360
was to evade the question,

1074
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:15,450
or sleaze around some way,

1075
00:53:15,500 --> 00:53:17,450
or give what
was an acceptable answer,

1076
00:53:17,500 --> 00:53:19,579
or something
that I believed at the time.

1077
00:53:19,619 --> 00:53:21,539
Please welcome
Mr. Mike rinder.

1078
00:53:28,580 --> 00:53:30,929
<i>Because scientology is perceived</i>

1079
00:53:30,959 --> 00:53:33,679
and conceived by scientologists

1080
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:37,049
as being the salvation
for mankind,

1081
00:53:37,089 --> 00:53:39,889
you can have people that lie

1082
00:53:39,919 --> 00:53:42,758
with a very straight face

1083
00:53:42,778 --> 00:53:45,308
if they believe
that what they are doing

1084
00:53:45,358 --> 00:53:48,099
is protecting
the church of scientology.

1085
00:53:48,119 --> 00:53:49,359
L. Ron Hubbard says,

1086
00:53:49,399 --> 00:53:51,599
"we do not find critics
of scientology

1087
00:53:51,619 --> 00:53:53,029
"who do not
have criminal pasts."

1088
00:53:53,069 --> 00:53:55,288
Do you believe that?
Sure.

1089
00:53:55,318 --> 00:53:57,868
People who oppose you
are undoubtedly criminals?

1090
00:53:57,908 --> 00:53:59,318
I believe that, yeah.

1091
00:53:59,378 --> 00:54:01,878
You know, there isn't
and hasn't been

1092
00:54:01,908 --> 00:54:04,578
any effort
which has been taken to,

1093
00:54:04,608 --> 00:54:06,457
quote,
"silence critics."

1094
00:54:06,497 --> 00:54:08,468
"No, that doesn't happen.

1095
00:54:08,498 --> 00:54:10,998
"Oh, we would never do that."

1096
00:54:11,088 --> 00:54:12,998
But according to many insiders,

1097
00:54:13,058 --> 00:54:14,918
Hubbard was growing
more and more vindictive

1098
00:54:14,958 --> 00:54:16,418
toward those
who stood in his way.

1099
00:54:16,458 --> 00:54:21,347
<i>He created what he called
the rehabilitation
project force.</i>

1100
00:54:21,397 --> 00:54:24,097
<i>The rpf was what we called it.</i>

1101
00:54:24,127 --> 00:54:25,427
It was the prison camp,

1102
00:54:25,467 --> 00:54:27,017
where you'd go
for re-indoctrination.

1103
00:54:27,067 --> 00:54:29,937
<i>It was on the 7th floor</i>

1104
00:54:29,967 --> 00:54:31,987
<i>of the Hollywood headquarters,</i>

1105
00:54:32,027 --> 00:54:35,157
<i>a confined space
to rehabilitate members</i>

1106
00:54:35,197 --> 00:54:37,647
<i>who might be harboring
subversive thoughts.</i>

1107
00:54:37,657 --> 00:54:39,827
<i>Spanky was sent to the rpf</i>

1108
00:54:39,867 --> 00:54:41,696
<i>when she objected
to the way the church</i>

1109
00:54:41,746 --> 00:54:44,116
<i>had denied medical treatment
to her boss.</i>

1110
00:54:44,146 --> 00:54:46,536
<i>I went thinking, of course,</i>

1111
00:54:46,586 --> 00:54:48,166
<i>this is a big mistake.</i>

1112
00:54:48,206 --> 00:54:50,757
And then I got there,
and there were like
200 of us.

1113
00:54:50,787 --> 00:54:53,706
<i>So much of the exec strata
of the organization there</i>

1114
00:54:53,756 --> 00:54:55,706
<i>hit the skids simultaneously.</i>

1115
00:54:55,766 --> 00:54:59,466
<i>Rpf stands for
rehabilitation project force.</i>

1116
00:54:59,546 --> 00:55:02,796
It is a program
that is exclusively

1117
00:55:02,836 --> 00:55:05,515
for the benefit
of sea organization members.

1118
00:55:05,555 --> 00:55:08,025
If they are stressed out,

1119
00:55:08,055 --> 00:55:09,835
if they're not doing well
on their job,

1120
00:55:09,855 --> 00:55:13,106
<i>have them do
menial-type work,</i>

1121
00:55:13,146 --> 00:55:16,896
<i>and five hours a day of auditing</i>

1122
00:55:16,946 --> 00:55:19,285
<i>and scientology training.</i>

1123
00:55:19,315 --> 00:55:20,905
It's a fabulous program.

1124
00:55:20,955 --> 00:55:23,375
We were working...
Cross my heart...

1125
00:55:23,405 --> 00:55:25,655
30 hours on, three hours off.

1126
00:55:25,695 --> 00:55:27,025
Doing, like, hard labor,

1127
00:55:27,045 --> 00:55:29,194
like having wire brushes
on windowsills,

1128
00:55:29,214 --> 00:55:30,964
and sanding
and sanding and sanding.

1129
00:55:30,994 --> 00:55:32,325
Breathing paint fumes.

1130
00:55:32,365 --> 00:55:34,535
<i>The regular crew
would eat first,</i>

1131
00:55:34,545 --> 00:55:36,335
<i>and then we'd get what was left.</i>

1132
00:55:36,365 --> 00:55:38,215
<i>It was kinda like table scraps.</i>

1133
00:55:38,255 --> 00:55:41,034
<i>There was mattresses
out there on the roof,</i>

1134
00:55:41,054 --> 00:55:43,534
<i>and they were wet
and soggy and gross.</i>

1135
00:55:43,554 --> 00:55:45,474
<i>And if you got to sleep
for three hours,</i>

1136
00:55:45,514 --> 00:55:48,974
<i>sometimes you'd just have to
up there and crash out.</i>

1137
00:55:50,484 --> 00:55:52,914
<i>And I had a young child
at that time,</i>

1138
00:55:52,954 --> 00:55:55,284
<i>who was 10 months old
when I went to the rpf.</i>

1139
00:55:55,324 --> 00:55:57,184
<i>She got taken
and put in the cadet org,</i>

1140
00:55:57,224 --> 00:55:59,994
<i>the organization
for the children.</i>

1141
00:56:00,024 --> 00:56:03,774
And then I...
I got pregnant

1142
00:56:03,824 --> 00:56:05,743
<i>when I was in the rpf.</i>

1143
00:56:05,783 --> 00:56:09,063
<i>So now I'm sanding walls,
eating table scraps,</i>

1144
00:56:09,083 --> 00:56:13,503
<i>pregnant,
and worrying myself sick
about my child.</i>

1145
00:56:13,533 --> 00:56:15,834
<i>In spanky's time, the children</i>

1146
00:56:15,874 --> 00:56:17,843
<i>of sea org members
were separated</i>

1147
00:56:17,873 --> 00:56:19,923
<i>from their parents
and raised in the cadet org</i>

1148
00:56:19,963 --> 00:56:21,793
<i>to remove all distractions</i>

1149
00:56:21,843 --> 00:56:24,343
<i>from their parent's
ultimate responsibility,</i>

1150
00:56:24,383 --> 00:56:26,343
<i>to clear the planet.</i>

1151
00:56:26,383 --> 00:56:29,962
<i>Sea org members
were often pressured
to have abortions,</i>

1152
00:56:30,022 --> 00:56:32,252
<i>because the church
viewed "getting children"</i>

1153
00:56:32,272 --> 00:56:34,752
<i>as an unpractical burden.</i>

1154
00:56:34,772 --> 00:56:36,943
<i>Initially, you're like,
"this is absurd.</i>

1155
00:56:36,973 --> 00:56:38,113
<i>"This is nuts."</i>

1156
00:56:38,143 --> 00:56:41,892
And then you kinda
settle in and go, "well...

1157
00:56:41,932 --> 00:56:46,432
"Obviously, I need
to deal with something

1158
00:56:46,452 --> 00:56:48,102
"that I'm not facing.

1159
00:56:48,122 --> 00:56:49,822
"So perhaps this is...

1160
00:56:49,872 --> 00:56:51,901
"They're doing this
to make me better."

1161
00:56:55,831 --> 00:56:58,492
<i>There are so many
bizarre stories that you...</i>

1162
00:56:58,552 --> 00:57:00,752
<i>Just hard to believe stuff.</i>

1163
00:57:00,782 --> 00:57:02,782
They asked
if I could arrange
a private screening

1164
00:57:02,802 --> 00:57:04,171
of "Saturday night fever."

1165
00:57:06,141 --> 00:57:07,891
<i>And I was like, "what?"</i>

1166
00:57:07,921 --> 00:57:09,621
<i>"I had disappeared
from this man's life.</i>

1167
00:57:09,641 --> 00:57:11,341
<i>"I abandoned him,</i>

1168
00:57:11,391 --> 00:57:13,791
"and now you
want me to arrange
a private screening?

1169
00:57:13,811 --> 00:57:15,181
"What are you..."

1170
00:57:15,231 --> 00:57:17,961
I said,
"is there anything else?
Maybe a Beatles reunion?"

1171
00:57:20,351 --> 00:57:22,931
<i>Travolta had been wondering
where spanky was.</i>

1172
00:57:22,971 --> 00:57:24,321
<i>When she was sent to the rpf,</i>

1173
00:57:24,351 --> 00:57:27,520
<i>she was not allowed
to contact him
or anyone else.</i>

1174
00:57:27,570 --> 00:57:29,640
<i>But now,
under the watch of a guard,</i>

1175
00:57:29,660 --> 00:57:32,640
<i>she was permitted
to call travolta’s assistant.</i>

1176
00:57:32,660 --> 00:57:35,980
She said we could
use John's personal print
of the film,

1177
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:38,751
<i>under one condition...
That you will see John.</i>

1178
00:57:38,791 --> 00:57:40,700
<i>I was so excited.</i>

1179
00:57:40,750 --> 00:57:44,490
<i>I hadn't had dialogue
with him for many months.</i>

1180
00:57:44,510 --> 00:57:46,880
<i>We had the screening
of the film,</i>

1181
00:57:46,930 --> 00:57:48,340
<i>and on the next night,</i>

1182
00:57:48,380 --> 00:57:51,129
<i>I was supposed
to have dinner with Johnny.</i>

1183
00:57:51,159 --> 00:57:52,829
And after the screening,

1184
00:57:52,849 --> 00:57:55,719
I was abruptly told
i wasn't going to see him,

1185
00:57:55,769 --> 00:57:57,639
and I needed to call and cancel.

1186
00:57:57,689 --> 00:58:02,510
He was truly angry
at me for... for...

1187
00:58:02,530 --> 00:58:05,609
For having allowed this abuse
of myself, you know,

1188
00:58:05,649 --> 00:58:09,279
and for having that...
So little of myself...

1189
00:58:11,069 --> 00:58:14,039
That I would allow
this degree of degradation,

1190
00:58:14,069 --> 00:58:17,188
and, and um...
And...

1191
00:58:17,208 --> 00:58:18,988
And he was my good friend,

1192
00:58:19,028 --> 00:58:22,409
and I knew that he was
telling me the truth.

1193
00:58:22,459 --> 00:58:26,828
<i>Those words were
such a wakeup call for me.</i>

1194
00:58:26,868 --> 00:58:30,028
<i>And I went over there,
to the cadet org.</i>

1195
00:58:30,048 --> 00:58:31,748
There were so many
sick children in there,

1196
00:58:31,838 --> 00:58:33,968
and my daughter
was very, very ill...

1197
00:58:34,008 --> 00:58:38,008
Burning up with fever,
completely neglected,

1198
00:58:38,038 --> 00:58:40,557
in a urine-soaked crib.

1199
00:58:40,597 --> 00:58:43,378
Her eyes were
so filled with mucus,

1200
00:58:43,398 --> 00:58:45,728
they were welded shut.

1201
00:58:45,768 --> 00:58:48,268
She had fruit flies on her body.

1202
00:58:48,318 --> 00:58:51,717
And I just...
I couldn't bear it.

1203
00:58:51,737 --> 00:58:54,327
I just went,
"no, mmm-mmm, I'm done."

1204
00:58:54,357 --> 00:58:58,057
I mean, I just knew
i could make these choices
for me.

1205
00:58:58,077 --> 00:59:00,027
I could decide
to give up my life

1206
00:59:00,067 --> 00:59:01,996
and do this to help the world,

1207
00:59:02,036 --> 00:59:04,287
but I couldn't
make these choices
for my children.

1208
00:59:04,337 --> 00:59:06,447
I just had to get her out.

1209
00:59:08,407 --> 00:59:11,507
<i>I told them
that I was having problems
with my pregnancy,</i>

1210
00:59:11,547 --> 00:59:13,546
<i>and I needed to use the phone,</i>

1211
00:59:13,576 --> 00:59:15,376
<i>so they sent
a bodyguard with me.</i>

1212
00:59:15,416 --> 00:59:19,296
<i>I called one of the few
non-scientologists I knew,</i>

1213
00:59:19,346 --> 00:59:22,096
a wonderful woman who happened
to work for John Travolta.

1214
00:59:22,136 --> 00:59:24,687
<i>I said,
"meet me at this address."</i>

1215
00:59:24,717 --> 00:59:26,516
<i>I gave her a time and I hung up.</i>

1216
00:59:26,556 --> 00:59:29,526
<i>I go up to my daughter's room,
and I wrapped her up.</i>

1217
00:59:31,476 --> 00:59:34,566
And there's
that bodyguard with me.

1218
00:59:34,616 --> 00:59:36,696
<i>I said,
"oh, my sister-in-law
is in that car</i>

1219
00:59:36,736 --> 00:59:39,095
<i>"and she's gonna
take the baby to the doctor."</i>

1220
00:59:39,115 --> 00:59:40,535
He said, "well,
has this been approved?"

1221
00:59:40,565 --> 00:59:43,115
"Of course
it was approved!"

1222
00:59:43,155 --> 00:59:45,625
<i>She's in my arms,
and I got in the car.</i>

1223
00:59:45,655 --> 00:59:48,326
<i>My friend,
she just nods her head.</i>

1224
00:59:49,875 --> 00:59:52,165
<i>Boom! With that,
i pull my leg in,
shut that door.</i>

1225
00:59:52,215 --> 00:59:54,465
<i>She hits the locks,
and we drive.</i>

1226
00:59:54,495 --> 00:59:56,085
<i>And people are yelling my name,</i>

1227
00:59:56,115 --> 00:59:58,135
<i>saying, "spanky, no! No!"</i>

1228
00:59:58,165 --> 01:00:00,225
<i>I mean, just freaked out.</i>

1229
01:00:00,255 --> 01:00:02,134
<i>I'm thinkin' "I'm a dead person,</i>

1230
01:00:02,174 --> 01:00:04,594
<i>"something terrible
is gonna happen to me."</i>

1231
01:00:04,644 --> 01:00:06,474
<i>I was just so frightened</i>

1232
01:00:06,514 --> 01:00:09,675
<i>that they would come
to fetch me up.</i>

1233
01:00:14,704 --> 01:00:15,934
<i>One of the turning points</i>

1234
01:00:15,974 --> 01:00:18,334
<i>in travolta’s relationship
with the church</i>

1235
01:00:18,374 --> 01:00:21,994
is when he understood
what was happening to spanky,

1236
01:00:22,024 --> 01:00:24,474
he didn't do anything about it.

1237
01:00:24,493 --> 01:00:27,243
I know that
he certainly got exposed

1238
01:00:27,283 --> 01:00:30,254
to the fact
that not everything
was on the up and up.

1239
01:00:30,284 --> 01:00:32,914
Why that wasn't sufficient
for him to leave,

1240
01:00:32,954 --> 01:00:35,034
I don't know.

1241
01:00:35,094 --> 01:00:39,993
I often wonder what...
What could possibly
keep him there?

1242
01:00:40,013 --> 01:00:41,263
<i>Can you recall an incident</i>

1243
01:00:41,293 --> 01:00:43,523
<i>which occurred
when your mother
looked younger?</i>

1244
01:00:43,563 --> 01:00:48,212
<i>An auditor learns to
keep notes contemporaneously</i>

1245
01:00:48,272 --> 01:00:50,603
<i>as he is doing a session,</i>

1246
01:00:50,633 --> 01:00:54,023
<i>about every detail
of the person's life,</i>

1247
01:00:54,053 --> 01:00:55,943
<i>back to birth and beyond.</i>

1248
01:00:55,973 --> 01:00:58,443
<i>If you do the whole program,</i>

1249
01:00:58,483 --> 01:01:01,012
<i>you end up with
up to a file cabinet full</i>

1250
01:01:01,032 --> 01:01:04,952
<i>of pre-clear folders
on notations about your life,</i>

1251
01:01:04,982 --> 01:01:07,982
<i>your thoughts,
and your considerations
about your life.</i>

1252
01:01:08,022 --> 01:01:10,402
It's the most intimate detail.

1253
01:01:10,453 --> 01:01:13,202
<i>You're always encouraged,
you're always threatened,</i>

1254
01:01:13,242 --> 01:01:18,162
<i>to disclose more
and more and more.
And all of it's recorded.</i>

1255
01:01:18,192 --> 01:01:19,632
<i>All of this material,</i>

1256
01:01:19,662 --> 01:01:22,212
<i>which is represented to you
to be held sacrosanct...</i>

1257
01:01:22,252 --> 01:01:24,801
<i>In fact, any information</i>

1258
01:01:24,831 --> 01:01:27,551
<i>that might do some harm
to the organization,</i>

1259
01:01:27,591 --> 01:01:30,041
gets unclassified automatically

1260
01:01:30,061 --> 01:01:32,642
and gets reported
to another branch
of the church

1261
01:01:32,682 --> 01:01:34,842
that deals with "ethics."

1262
01:01:40,151 --> 01:01:42,721
<i>Travolta was down in clearwater.</i>

1263
01:01:42,741 --> 01:01:45,071
<i>We'd finished the renovations.</i>

1264
01:01:45,111 --> 01:01:47,410
<i>Every auditing room
had two cameras...</i>

1265
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:50,730
<i>One on the meter,
and one on the guy
getting auditing.</i>

1266
01:01:50,740 --> 01:01:53,911
<i>Miscavige would sit
in this 15x15 room,</i>

1267
01:01:53,951 --> 01:01:55,911
<i>cameras of every session.</i>

1268
01:01:55,951 --> 01:01:57,401
<i>You can flip in between 'em,</i>

1269
01:01:57,421 --> 01:01:59,370
and he was watching
these things.

1270
01:01:59,420 --> 01:02:00,920
And it was
for "training purposes."

1271
01:02:00,950 --> 01:02:02,400
Well, Travolta saw that,

1272
01:02:02,420 --> 01:02:05,340
and he said,
"i will not be videoed."

1273
01:02:05,380 --> 01:02:08,340
So I was there when
they were setting it up,

1274
01:02:08,380 --> 01:02:10,210
and Miscavige was directing it.

1275
01:02:10,250 --> 01:02:12,049
"Get him into a hotel room,

1276
01:02:12,079 --> 01:02:15,680
"hook up secret,
private videos."

1277
01:02:16,750 --> 01:02:18,920
<i>There were rumors</i>

1278
01:02:18,940 --> 01:02:20,940
<i>that he was
threatening to leave,</i>

1279
01:02:20,970 --> 01:02:23,859
<i>and another scientologist
told me that he was delegated</i>

1280
01:02:23,889 --> 01:02:28,309
to create a black PR package...
All the damaging material

1281
01:02:28,369 --> 01:02:30,649
they could use against Travolta,

1282
01:02:30,699 --> 01:02:32,949
which came
from his auditing sessions.

1283
01:02:32,989 --> 01:02:35,649
I know this
because I used to do it

1284
01:02:35,709 --> 01:02:39,539
<i>when I was the head
of the office of
special affairs.</i>

1285
01:02:39,579 --> 01:02:41,329
We would put a team of people

1286
01:02:41,379 --> 01:02:44,579
<i>onto going through
all of these pc folders</i>

1287
01:02:44,609 --> 01:02:48,328
<i>and finding things
that they believe.</i>

1288
01:02:48,388 --> 01:02:51,418
<i>By exposing them
or threatening to expose them,</i>

1289
01:02:51,448 --> 01:02:55,058
<i>they will cower the person</i>

1290
01:02:55,088 --> 01:02:58,588
<i>that they're worried about
into silence.</i>

1291
01:02:59,958 --> 01:03:01,428
<i>There is a particular writing</i>

1292
01:03:01,458 --> 01:03:06,068
<i>where Hubbard
is training these office
of special affairs people</i>

1293
01:03:06,098 --> 01:03:10,267
on how, when you use
private information

1294
01:03:10,307 --> 01:03:13,657
to control somebody
to do what you want them
to do,

1295
01:03:13,687 --> 01:03:16,437
and to silence them
from speaking out
against scientology,

1296
01:03:16,477 --> 01:03:19,828
it's really not blackmail,
because you're not
asking for money.

1297
01:03:19,868 --> 01:03:21,778
But you're holding
this secret information

1298
01:03:21,818 --> 01:03:24,117
over the person's head
to silence them.

1299
01:03:24,147 --> 01:03:26,317
<i>As far as Travolta is concerned,</i>

1300
01:03:26,337 --> 01:03:29,657
<i>people say, well, he...
There's all these things
that we know about</i>

1301
01:03:29,677 --> 01:03:31,507
<i>that have been rumored
in the tabloids.</i>

1302
01:03:31,537 --> 01:03:34,346
<i>But in fact,
it's more of
a two-way street.</i>

1303
01:03:34,376 --> 01:03:36,096
You know, he's provided
with an auditor

1304
01:03:36,126 --> 01:03:37,516
whose shoulder he can cry on,

1305
01:03:37,546 --> 01:03:40,517
but he's also
provided with the muscle
of the church,

1306
01:03:40,547 --> 01:03:43,097
<i>in the form of myself
and Mike rinder.</i>

1307
01:03:43,137 --> 01:03:44,307
<i>On many occasions,</i>

1308
01:03:44,337 --> 01:03:46,436
<i>we were sent out
to get with his publicist,</i>

1309
01:03:46,476 --> 01:03:47,636
<i>to get with his lawyer,</i>

1310
01:03:47,676 --> 01:03:50,476
and to help squash
or intimidate these people

1311
01:03:50,506 --> 01:03:52,776
that are making accusations
against him.

1312
01:03:52,816 --> 01:03:54,276
Once that happened,

1313
01:03:54,316 --> 01:03:57,445
I think he was really
the church's captive.

1314
01:03:57,485 --> 01:03:59,235
Mr. John Travolta!

1315
01:04:18,975 --> 01:04:21,535
<i>When they were facing lawsuits
and stuff like that,</i>

1316
01:04:21,555 --> 01:04:22,835
<i>he'd be brought forward,</i>

1317
01:04:22,875 --> 01:04:25,675
<i>and make his testimony
about how great
scientology is.</i>

1318
01:04:25,715 --> 01:04:27,345
<i>He had the opportunity</i>

1319
01:04:27,375 --> 01:04:31,215
to affect
the behavior of the church,
and he chose not to.

1320
01:04:32,984 --> 01:04:35,654
<i>Now I've been a scientologist
for 23 years.</i>

1321
01:04:35,684 --> 01:04:38,024
I've felt like a pioneer
in many... in many ways,

1322
01:04:38,074 --> 01:04:41,574
and I've...
I've seen my efforts
come to fruition...

1323
01:04:41,604 --> 01:04:43,555
In various ways.

1324
01:04:43,575 --> 01:04:46,524
I think very few people
can say that.

1325
01:04:46,584 --> 01:04:49,244
I've... I'm part of a...
Of a frontier in a way,

1326
01:04:49,284 --> 01:04:52,564
you know, that,
that very few people
ever get to be part of.

1327
01:05:26,873 --> 01:05:29,323
Thank you.

1328
01:05:29,373 --> 01:05:31,903
Welcome to church!

1329
01:05:31,942 --> 01:05:35,542
<i>It was the biggest event
in scientology history,</i>

1330
01:05:35,582 --> 01:05:38,992
<i>and of course,
Miscavige wanted to milk it
for everything he had.</i>

1331
01:05:39,052 --> 01:05:41,002
<i>It's this grand, produced thing,</i>

1332
01:05:41,052 --> 01:05:45,471
<i>where it's all
a single person
on a gigantic stage,</i>

1333
01:05:45,501 --> 01:05:48,792
<i>all this sort of Nazi symbolism.</i>

1334
01:05:49,642 --> 01:05:52,622
<i>I clearly recall
getting prepared
for the event</i>

1335
01:05:52,642 --> 01:05:54,432
<i>and Miscavige up in that office,</i>

1336
01:05:54,462 --> 01:05:57,091
<i>you know,
going 18-20 hours a day</i>

1337
01:05:57,131 --> 01:06:00,101
writing this speech,
and thinking to myself,

1338
01:06:00,131 --> 01:06:03,021
"my God, you know?
This is not just

1339
01:06:03,071 --> 01:06:05,691
"a victory celebration,

1340
01:06:05,741 --> 01:06:08,071
"this is a...
This is a coup."

1341
01:06:08,111 --> 01:06:10,611
What we are going to talk about

1342
01:06:10,641 --> 01:06:14,451
is the war to end all wars.

1343
01:06:14,501 --> 01:06:16,951
When you are in scientology,
you are in all the way.

1344
01:06:16,981 --> 01:06:19,370
There's no half in and half out.

1345
01:06:19,420 --> 01:06:22,420
<i>A decade into
Miscavige's leadership,</i>

1346
01:06:22,460 --> 01:06:24,710
<i>a simmering crisis
finally came to a boil.</i>

1347
01:06:24,760 --> 01:06:29,181
<i>For years Hubbard had
insisted that scientology
was a religion</i>

1348
01:06:29,211 --> 01:06:31,260
<i>and should be tax-exempt,</i>

1349
01:06:31,300 --> 01:06:35,000
<i>so he had refused
to pay any taxes.</i>

1350
01:06:35,020 --> 01:06:37,550
We were facing a tax bill

1351
01:06:37,600 --> 01:06:41,140
of over a billion dollars,
and the total assets,

1352
01:06:41,170 --> 01:06:44,729
liquid and material,
and property of the church

1353
01:06:44,779 --> 01:06:47,809
was about a quarter of that
at the time, in the '80s.

1354
01:06:47,859 --> 01:06:52,120
And so just
from a real simple
accounting basis,

1355
01:06:52,150 --> 01:06:53,480
it was life and death.

1356
01:06:53,520 --> 01:06:55,069
If we don't
get exemption, we die.

1357
01:06:55,119 --> 01:06:57,019
If we get it, we survive.

1358
01:06:57,039 --> 01:06:58,909
As lrh said,

1359
01:06:58,959 --> 01:07:01,579
"one certainly
couldn't contest anyone

1360
01:07:01,629 --> 01:07:04,359
"as holy as the commissioner
of the IRS,

1361
01:07:04,379 --> 01:07:08,918
"whom I believe gives God
his orders." Lrh.

1362
01:07:08,968 --> 01:07:10,919
<i>Faced with this crisis,</i>

1363
01:07:10,969 --> 01:07:13,699
<i>David Miscavige
formulated a strategy.</i>

1364
01:07:13,719 --> 01:07:16,759
<i>Think of the nerve that it takes</i>

1365
01:07:16,809 --> 01:07:19,558
to decide to take on a war
with the IRS.

1366
01:07:19,598 --> 01:07:21,428
The church of scientology

1367
01:07:21,478 --> 01:07:23,878
has been crucifying
the federal agency

1368
01:07:23,898 --> 01:07:26,268
for its sins on a regular basis,

1369
01:07:26,318 --> 01:07:28,348
both in and out of courts.

1370
01:07:28,398 --> 01:07:32,018
<i>Thousands of scientologists
all filed lawsuits,</i>

1371
01:07:32,058 --> 01:07:33,218
<i>not just against the IRS,</i>

1372
01:07:33,238 --> 01:07:36,108
<i>but against
individual IRS employees.</i>

1373
01:07:36,158 --> 01:07:38,058
<i>2400 total lawsuits,</i>

1374
01:07:38,078 --> 01:07:40,948
<i>all going at the IRS
at one time.</i>

1375
01:07:40,998 --> 01:07:42,697
It was a litigation nightmare.

1376
01:07:42,737 --> 01:07:45,417
<i>Being Miscavige's
right-hand man,</i>

1377
01:07:45,457 --> 01:07:47,367
<i>I was in charge
of all those efforts.</i>

1378
01:07:47,407 --> 01:07:50,617
<i>We were not only
suing them in every possible
jurisdiction there was,</i>

1379
01:07:50,677 --> 01:07:53,538
we were investigating
the IRS for crimes generally,

1380
01:07:53,598 --> 01:07:55,127
or things that would
offend the public.

1381
01:07:55,177 --> 01:07:57,177
These hearings
into IRS integrity...

1382
01:07:57,217 --> 01:07:58,517
<i>In the late '80s,</i>

1383
01:07:58,547 --> 01:08:00,267
<i>there were hearings
about IRS abuses</i>

1384
01:08:00,297 --> 01:08:01,547
<i>that had nothing to do
with scientology,</i>

1385
01:08:01,587 --> 01:08:02,717
<i>had nothing to do
with nonprofits,</i>

1386
01:08:02,757 --> 01:08:04,137
<i>had nothing to do with churches.</i>

1387
01:08:04,187 --> 01:08:06,266
<i>They had to do
with Joe taxpayer.</i>

1388
01:08:06,306 --> 01:08:09,256
<i>And they we were publishing
these glossy,</i>

1389
01:08:09,276 --> 01:08:10,696
<i>expensive magazines.</i>

1390
01:08:10,726 --> 01:08:13,776
<i>In fact, the exposã©s
of IRS crimes</i>

1391
01:08:13,816 --> 01:08:16,697
were so hated
that possession
of "freedom" magazine

1392
01:08:16,737 --> 01:08:19,646
was banned by IRS officials
in the IRS building.

1393
01:08:21,816 --> 01:08:26,706
There is going to be
a IRS conference
in the catskills.

1394
01:08:26,746 --> 01:08:29,825
Right?
And so we would send a pi,

1395
01:08:29,875 --> 01:08:31,875
<i>find out which hotel
it's gonna be at,</i>

1396
01:08:31,915 --> 01:08:35,116
<i>get down there
during happy hour,
socialize.</i>

1397
01:08:35,136 --> 01:08:38,306
<i>And this guy's tallying
who's drinkin' what.</i>

1398
01:08:38,336 --> 01:08:40,216
And so we go through
freedom of information act

1399
01:08:40,256 --> 01:08:43,505
to find out
that the taxpayers
are paying the bar bill,

1400
01:08:43,555 --> 01:08:45,345
and it's so much money.

1401
01:08:45,395 --> 01:08:46,595
And of course, you know,

1402
01:08:46,625 --> 01:08:48,465
in the scheme of things,
it's nothing.

1403
01:08:48,475 --> 01:08:50,345
But from a PR perspective,
it's everything.

1404
01:08:50,395 --> 01:08:54,434
IRS officials told me to my face

1405
01:08:54,464 --> 01:08:56,905
they weren't interested
in hearing anything

1406
01:08:56,935 --> 01:09:00,825
I had to say
because, and I quote,

1407
01:09:00,855 --> 01:09:02,975
"you are a scientologist.

1408
01:09:02,995 --> 01:09:06,194
"You are a mindless robot."

1409
01:09:06,244 --> 01:09:09,994
Well, those who know me
can imagine my response.

1410
01:09:12,374 --> 01:09:16,204
It was short,
but certainly made the point.

1411
01:09:18,094 --> 01:09:21,924
<i>A negotiation
began to take place</i>

1412
01:09:21,964 --> 01:09:26,214
<i>between the IRS
and the church
of scientology.</i>

1413
01:09:26,264 --> 01:09:28,184
How do you define a religion?

1414
01:09:28,214 --> 01:09:29,803
It's not so easy.

1415
01:09:29,833 --> 01:09:33,933
Why is one body
of thinking a religion

1416
01:09:33,973 --> 01:09:36,443
<i>and another body not?</i>

1417
01:09:36,473 --> 01:09:41,283
<i>The only organization
entitled to make
those distinctions</i>

1418
01:09:41,313 --> 01:09:43,313
<i>is the IRS as an agency...</i>

1419
01:09:43,353 --> 01:09:45,613
<i>Very poorly equipped to do that.</i>

1420
01:09:45,653 --> 01:09:47,403
<i>I mean, they're mainly
accountants and lawyers,</i>

1421
01:09:47,453 --> 01:09:49,203
<i>they're not theologians.</i>

1422
01:09:49,243 --> 01:09:51,873
<i>But it's the only opinion
that matters.</i>

1423
01:09:51,903 --> 01:09:55,162
<i>Once the IRS has decided
that you are a religion,</i>

1424
01:09:55,192 --> 01:09:59,332
<i>then you are protected
by the vast protections</i>

1425
01:09:59,382 --> 01:10:02,003
<i>of the first amendment.</i>

1426
01:10:02,033 --> 01:10:04,882
<i>And, as the saying goes,</i>

1427
01:10:04,922 --> 01:10:08,542
the rest is history.
On October the first, 1993,

1428
01:10:08,552 --> 01:10:11,642
at 8:37 pm
eastern standard time,

1429
01:10:11,672 --> 01:10:14,892
the IRS issued letters
recognizing scientology

1430
01:10:14,932 --> 01:10:17,011
and every one
of its organizations

1431
01:10:17,051 --> 01:10:20,231
as fully tax-exempt!
The war is over!

1432
01:10:27,162 --> 01:10:29,021
<i>The war ended</i>

1433
01:10:29,061 --> 01:10:30,991
<i>because the IRS surrendered.</i>

1434
01:10:31,031 --> 01:10:33,191
<i>It forgave
the billion-dollar tax bill</i>

1435
01:10:33,231 --> 01:10:36,861
<i>and granted scientology
its tax exemption.</i>

1436
01:10:36,901 --> 01:10:39,670
<i>Even Hubbard's novels
were declared religious texts,</i>

1437
01:10:39,700 --> 01:10:42,871
<i>their sales exempt from taxes.</i>

1438
01:10:42,911 --> 01:10:45,291
What happened
is that Fred goldberg,

1439
01:10:45,341 --> 01:10:48,131
who was the IRS commissioner
at that time...

1440
01:10:48,181 --> 01:10:51,011
<i>Miscavige let goldberg know
that if we could find a way</i>

1441
01:10:51,051 --> 01:10:52,550
<i>to get tax-exempt status,</i>

1442
01:10:52,580 --> 01:10:54,410
<i>all those lawsuits
will go away overnight.</i>

1443
01:10:54,430 --> 01:10:55,880
<i>And as we were going
out the door,</i>

1444
01:10:55,920 --> 01:10:58,250
<i>Fred goldberg goes,
"is he serious?"</i>

1445
01:10:58,270 --> 01:10:59,890
<i>And I said, "yeah."</i>

1446
01:10:59,920 --> 01:11:02,090
And he sort of breathed
this sigh of relief,

1447
01:11:02,110 --> 01:11:04,280
kind of nodded, and smiled.

1448
01:11:04,310 --> 01:11:07,060
<i>At the church's victory party,</i>

1449
01:11:07,100 --> 01:11:09,860
<i>Miscavige projected photos
of the church's executives</i>

1450
01:11:09,900 --> 01:11:13,450
<i>celebrating with IRS officials.</i>

1451
01:11:13,490 --> 01:11:16,539
<i>It created
this tremendous juggernaut</i>

1452
01:11:16,569 --> 01:11:21,159
<i>of tight conspiracy
of the membership
that then existed,</i>

1453
01:11:21,209 --> 01:11:24,550
<i>but what it really did
was enable Miscavige</i>

1454
01:11:24,580 --> 01:11:27,829
to milk every last dime

1455
01:11:27,879 --> 01:11:29,669
out of that core membership.

1456
01:11:29,719 --> 01:11:33,799
I am proud to announce
the discrimination is over.

1457
01:11:33,839 --> 01:11:35,719
Your tax dona...

1458
01:11:35,759 --> 01:11:37,789
Deductions on donations
to scientology

1459
01:11:37,809 --> 01:11:41,348
will no longer be disallowed
by the internal revenue service.

1460
01:11:44,228 --> 01:11:46,679
<i>In the '80s,
while Hubbard was in hiding,</i>

1461
01:11:46,739 --> 01:11:50,319
<i>scientology was going through
some very severe litigation,</i>

1462
01:11:50,358 --> 01:11:52,188
<i>in particular,
a lawsuit in Oregon,</i>

1463
01:11:52,238 --> 01:11:53,768
<i>and one in Los Angeles.</i>

1464
01:11:53,828 --> 01:11:56,328
<i>One of them did produce
a $30 million judgment.</i>

1465
01:11:56,358 --> 01:11:58,158
<i>This scared scientology.</i>

1466
01:11:58,198 --> 01:12:00,078
<i>They realized
they were vulnerable.</i>

1467
01:12:00,118 --> 01:12:01,528
And so they
asked scientologists,

1468
01:12:01,578 --> 01:12:03,777
"okay, give us
a few thousand dollars.

1469
01:12:03,817 --> 01:12:06,037
<i>"You'll get a nice ribbon
or something.</i>

1470
01:12:06,087 --> 01:12:08,158
<i>"You're not gonna get
any courses from it."
And this was new,</i>

1471
01:12:08,168 --> 01:12:10,158
<i>the idea that you would
give them money</i>

1472
01:12:10,178 --> 01:12:12,338
<i>just to defend against lawsuits.</i>

1473
01:12:12,378 --> 01:12:13,678
<i>And that grew and grew.</i>

1474
01:12:13,708 --> 01:12:16,507
Now scientologists
are constantly

1475
01:12:16,547 --> 01:12:19,847
under intense pressure
just to hand money over.

1476
01:12:19,887 --> 01:12:22,437
They pitch themselves
as being the underdog,

1477
01:12:22,467 --> 01:12:27,056
as being the victim.
And you identify with that.

1478
01:12:27,106 --> 01:12:28,677
But then they start
hitting you up

1479
01:12:28,687 --> 01:12:30,807
for bigger donations,
and bigger... and I got
a lot of pressure.

1480
01:12:30,847 --> 01:12:34,057
And I think
i donated another $250,000
to them under pressure.

1481
01:12:34,117 --> 01:12:35,677
They really know how to do it.

1482
01:12:35,697 --> 01:12:38,066
They really know how to do it,
and he just was after me
and after me.

1483
01:12:38,116 --> 01:12:40,316
And they said,
"we're under attack, Paul."

1484
01:12:40,356 --> 01:12:42,456
This one guy who donated
$25 million,

1485
01:12:42,486 --> 01:12:44,856
for no... you know,
just straight donation,

1486
01:12:44,876 --> 01:12:47,286
to this...
To the scientology war chest.

1487
01:12:50,026 --> 01:12:51,796
<i>Churches are tax-exempt</i>

1488
01:12:51,826 --> 01:12:54,886
<i>because they're supposed
to provide a public good.</i>

1489
01:12:54,916 --> 01:12:57,046
<i>To prove that good to the IRS,</i>

1490
01:12:57,086 --> 01:12:59,506
<i>churches aren't supposed
to hoard their money.</i>

1491
01:12:59,536 --> 01:13:03,505
<i>They're supposed to spend it
on services for the faithful.</i>

1492
01:13:03,545 --> 01:13:06,675
<i>Under this pretense,
the church had made
massive investments</i>

1493
01:13:06,725 --> 01:13:08,765
<i>in tax-free real estate
all over the world.</i>

1494
01:13:08,815 --> 01:13:11,486
<i>And when it comes
to labor costs,</i>

1495
01:13:11,516 --> 01:13:15,185
<i>they are almost free.</i>

1496
01:13:15,215 --> 01:13:17,265
The Max I got paid, you know,

1497
01:13:17,325 --> 01:13:20,055
on a weekly basis was 50 bucks,

1498
01:13:20,075 --> 01:13:22,025
um, for 28 years.

1499
01:13:22,075 --> 01:13:25,394
Sea org workers
take home something

1500
01:13:25,414 --> 01:13:28,994
between six and 40 cents
an hour.

1501
01:13:29,034 --> 01:13:32,735
So if you've got
very low labor costs,

1502
01:13:32,755 --> 01:13:36,924
no taxes to pay,
and wealthy people
giving you donations,

1503
01:13:36,954 --> 01:13:41,594
<i>you can see why
scientology has amassed
huge piles of money.</i>

1504
01:13:41,624 --> 01:13:43,074
<i>How much are they worth?</i>

1505
01:13:43,094 --> 01:13:45,434
<i>This was a bit of a mystery,
but just recently,</i>

1506
01:13:45,464 --> 01:13:47,744
<i>I obtained tax records
that scientology</i>

1507
01:13:47,764 --> 01:13:49,583
<i>does have to turn in.</i>

1508
01:13:49,603 --> 01:13:52,083
<i>Three of the main entities
of scientology...</i>

1509
01:13:52,103 --> 01:13:53,774
<i>And there are 20
or 30 of them...</i>

1510
01:13:53,804 --> 01:13:56,254
<i>But the top three,
just on their own,</i>

1511
01:13:56,274 --> 01:13:59,944
<i>have a book value
of $1.5 billion.</i>

1512
01:14:01,233 --> 01:14:04,403
It's stunning how much money
a nonprofit

1513
01:14:04,433 --> 01:14:05,983
has been able to amass.

1514
01:14:16,613 --> 01:14:20,583
It is a crime
that we've given them
religious recognition

1515
01:14:20,613 --> 01:14:22,283
and that
they can hide behind it.

1516
01:14:22,303 --> 01:14:24,472
<i>Meanwhile, you got
very good people in there,</i>

1517
01:14:24,502 --> 01:14:26,952
<i>and their lives
are being destroyed.</i>

1518
01:14:26,972 --> 01:14:28,892
<i>When I started this story,</i>

1519
01:14:28,922 --> 01:14:32,262
<i>I stumbled across
an FBI investigation
of the church.</i>

1520
01:14:32,292 --> 01:14:35,133
<i>They were investigating
human trafficking.</i>

1521
01:14:35,143 --> 01:14:38,232
<i>It seemed that people
were being confined
against their will.</i>

1522
01:14:38,262 --> 01:14:41,772
<i>There were lots
of reports of people
being physically abused,</i>

1523
01:14:41,802 --> 01:14:44,942
and the exploitation
of labor and child labor.

1524
01:14:44,972 --> 01:14:49,021
All of these things
were questions that
the FBI had.

1525
01:14:49,081 --> 01:14:51,691
<i>While that investigation
was going on,</i>

1526
01:14:51,741 --> 01:14:54,861
<i>a case was being heard
in Colorado...</i>

1527
01:14:54,911 --> 01:14:57,782
<i>The headleys,
who were suing the church</i>

1528
01:14:57,822 --> 01:15:01,501
<i>for many
of these same violations.</i>

1529
01:15:01,541 --> 01:15:04,171
<i>And the court ruled in that case</i>

1530
01:15:04,211 --> 01:15:06,791
<i>that these are all
essentially practices</i>

1531
01:15:06,831 --> 01:15:09,961
<i>that are protected
by the religious clause</i>

1532
01:15:10,001 --> 01:15:12,660
<i>of the first amendment.</i>

1533
01:15:12,680 --> 01:15:14,180
Once that ruling came out,

1534
01:15:14,220 --> 01:15:16,470
the FBI dropped
its investigation.

1535
01:15:16,500 --> 01:15:20,971
I think it was an indication
that the church is protected.

1536
01:15:21,021 --> 01:15:24,360
Before ending cycle
completely on the IRS,

1537
01:15:24,390 --> 01:15:27,030
there is one thing
i do wish to do.

1538
01:15:27,060 --> 01:15:30,180
Sir. Done.

1539
01:16:27,038 --> 01:16:28,758
<i>The "we stand tall" thing...</i>

1540
01:16:28,788 --> 01:16:31,538
<i>This again was part
of this whole IRS thing.</i>

1541
01:16:31,578 --> 01:16:34,038
<i>And Miscavige kind of
had this song composed</i>

1542
01:16:34,078 --> 01:16:36,347
<i>by the musician group
they had up at the studio.</i>

1543
01:16:36,377 --> 01:16:38,297
<i>He was trying
to turn this into...</i>

1544
01:16:38,347 --> 01:16:41,187
This was a result of the power
of this movement...

1545
01:16:50,397 --> 01:16:52,397
Which was such bullshit,

1546
01:16:52,427 --> 01:16:55,117
<i>because it was
all about control.</i>

1547
01:16:55,147 --> 01:16:59,096
<i>When he got absolute control,
he went absolutely bonkers.</i>

1548
01:17:11,996 --> 01:17:13,796
<i>You know, most religions
are tax-exempt</i>

1549
01:17:13,836 --> 01:17:15,796
<i>and many have beliefs
and practices</i>

1550
01:17:15,836 --> 01:17:19,056
<i>that in the modern context
would be considered strange.</i>

1551
01:17:19,086 --> 01:17:20,666
Is scientology any different?

1552
01:17:20,726 --> 01:17:22,006
I mean, if you go to a Christian

1553
01:17:22,055 --> 01:17:24,926
or a Jew or a Muslim,
and ask them,

1554
01:17:24,956 --> 01:17:26,456
"what do you believe?",

1555
01:17:26,476 --> 01:17:28,096
they can basically describe

1556
01:17:28,126 --> 01:17:31,146
the most important parts
of their religion

1557
01:17:31,186 --> 01:17:32,766
in a minute or two.

1558
01:17:32,796 --> 01:17:34,465
Well, what does
a scientologist believe?

1559
01:17:34,485 --> 01:17:37,235
You need to be in scientology
for seven or eight years,

1560
01:17:37,275 --> 01:17:39,635
and in for a couple hundred
thousand dollars,

1561
01:17:39,655 --> 01:17:41,695
before you finally
learn this backstory

1562
01:17:41,745 --> 01:17:43,605
of xenu the galactic overlord.

1563
01:17:43,645 --> 01:17:45,524
Now, if you were told that
on day one,

1564
01:17:45,574 --> 01:17:47,525
how many people would join?

1565
01:17:47,585 --> 01:17:49,245
But if they were
upfront about it,

1566
01:17:49,285 --> 01:17:50,865
I'd have more respect for them.

1567
01:17:50,915 --> 01:17:52,615
But it's that sort of
bait and switch

1568
01:17:52,655 --> 01:17:54,755
that people are told,
"oh, it's an applied philosophy

1569
01:17:54,785 --> 01:17:56,825
"to help you
with your communication."

1570
01:17:56,845 --> 01:17:58,504
Oh, yeah?

1571
01:17:58,544 --> 01:18:00,824
So why is tom cruise
paying 1,000 bucks

1572
01:18:00,844 --> 01:18:03,994
to have invisible aliens
pulled out of his body?

1573
01:18:12,474 --> 01:18:14,274
<i>What happens when
your zone of influence</i>

1574
01:18:14,304 --> 01:18:15,804
<i>is the global stage?</i>

1575
01:18:15,844 --> 01:18:20,274
<i>How much must one do
to call themselves
a scientologist?</i>

1576
01:18:20,314 --> 01:18:23,343
<i>How much so that
when their head
hits the pillow,</i>

1577
01:18:23,363 --> 01:18:25,483
they can live with themselves,

1578
01:18:25,513 --> 01:18:28,234
knowing they did
all they could do?

1579
01:18:28,284 --> 01:18:30,574
That is our final story
this evening.

1580
01:18:30,624 --> 01:18:34,243
It's a story that affects
every scientologist,

1581
01:18:34,293 --> 01:18:38,463
for all of us
are the beneficiaries
of what he presents.

1582
01:18:40,383 --> 01:18:43,083
<i>Tom cruise was the guy.</i>

1583
01:18:43,133 --> 01:18:47,302
<i>Miscavige and cruise
had been pretty buddy-buddy,</i>

1584
01:18:47,342 --> 01:18:50,423
way back
to "days of thunder."

1585
01:18:50,473 --> 01:18:54,473
<i>He was on the set with him,
he went skydiving with him,</i>

1586
01:18:54,513 --> 01:18:57,842
<i>was hangin' out with him
all the time.</i>

1587
01:18:57,902 --> 01:19:00,552
<i>And that was when
tom first met Nicole.</i>

1588
01:19:00,572 --> 01:19:03,022
<i>He had really fallen for her.</i>

1589
01:19:03,052 --> 01:19:04,352
<i>They got married,</i>

1590
01:19:04,392 --> 01:19:07,442
<i>and this posed
a dilemma for the church,</i>

1591
01:19:07,492 --> 01:19:08,941
<i>because her father</i>

1592
01:19:08,991 --> 01:19:13,162
<i>is a well-known psychologist
in Australia.</i>

1593
01:19:13,202 --> 01:19:15,452
From the church's perspective,
he's the enemy.

1594
01:19:15,502 --> 01:19:17,412
He's a suppressive person.

1595
01:19:17,452 --> 01:19:19,082
How could you ignore me
like this?

1596
01:19:19,122 --> 01:19:20,831
<i>Because Nicole is still</i>

1597
01:19:20,871 --> 01:19:23,421
<i>in a relationship
with her father,</i>

1598
01:19:23,461 --> 01:19:25,741
<i>that makes her dangerous.</i>

1599
01:19:25,761 --> 01:19:29,291
<i>She's a potential
trouble source, pts.</i>

1600
01:19:29,351 --> 01:19:33,101
<i>And because tom
is related to her,</i>

1601
01:19:33,131 --> 01:19:36,551
<i>this all causes trouble
from the church's perspective.</i>

1602
01:19:36,601 --> 01:19:38,471
You have to break that dynamic.

1603
01:19:38,521 --> 01:19:41,591
<i>Nicole... her biggest beef</i>

1604
01:19:41,611 --> 01:19:46,310
<i>was that tom was becoming
increasingly like Dave.</i>

1605
01:19:46,360 --> 01:19:49,100
<i>She really got him
to drift away from the church,</i>

1606
01:19:49,110 --> 01:19:52,981
and tom was not
really actively involved
in scientology

1607
01:19:53,041 --> 01:19:56,740
between '92-ish
all the way up until 2001.

1608
01:19:58,120 --> 01:20:01,880
<i>They were away
for more than a year</i>

1609
01:20:01,910 --> 01:20:04,710
<i>shooting "eyes wide shut"
in the uk.</i>

1610
01:20:04,750 --> 01:20:08,669
And cruise was not in touch
with Miscavige,

1611
01:20:08,719 --> 01:20:11,049
and this drove Miscavige crazy.

1612
01:20:11,089 --> 01:20:13,789
I was assigned to, um,
get him back in.

1613
01:20:13,809 --> 01:20:17,090
And that was coincident with,
and... and I was to facilitate

1614
01:20:17,130 --> 01:20:19,429
the breakup with Nicole Kidman.

1615
01:20:19,459 --> 01:20:21,339
And how'd you do that?

1616
01:20:21,399 --> 01:20:23,979
Uh, well,
through a lot of auditing.

1617
01:20:24,019 --> 01:20:27,599
<i>And every session
i ever gave to tom cruise...</i>

1618
01:20:27,639 --> 01:20:31,688
<i>And there was dozens
upon dozens of them
over a three-year period...</i>

1619
01:20:31,738 --> 01:20:33,468
<i>I had to write detailed reports</i>

1620
01:20:33,488 --> 01:20:35,989
<i>and send them directly
to David Miscavige.</i>

1621
01:20:36,029 --> 01:20:38,409
<i>I would sit there every night
with our scotch</i>

1622
01:20:38,449 --> 01:20:40,749
and watch and listen
to Miscavige comment

1623
01:20:40,779 --> 01:20:44,448
about cruise's sex life,
and what... yeah,

1624
01:20:44,488 --> 01:20:46,288
how perverted he was.

1625
01:20:46,318 --> 01:20:49,988
<i>Why is he gettin'
daily reports on cruise?</i>

1626
01:20:50,008 --> 01:20:52,508
<i>Miscavige really wanted
to get him back</i>

1627
01:20:52,538 --> 01:20:54,178
<i>into being somebody
that he could use</i>

1628
01:20:54,208 --> 01:20:58,048
to lure people
into scientology
and increase his own status.

1629
01:20:58,098 --> 01:21:00,878
<i>And I was also involved
in the legal team</i>

1630
01:21:00,938 --> 01:21:05,858
<i>and actually
hiring investigators
to investigate Nicole.</i>

1631
01:21:05,888 --> 01:21:07,517
Men have to stick it in
every place they can,

1632
01:21:07,557 --> 01:21:09,557
but for women...
Women, it is just about

1633
01:21:09,607 --> 01:21:11,477
security and commitment...

1634
01:21:11,507 --> 01:21:13,777
<i>Tom wanted to know exactly
who she was talking to,</i>

1635
01:21:13,817 --> 01:21:16,617
<i>and so he wanted
to tap her phone.</i>

1636
01:21:16,647 --> 01:21:20,537
If you men only knew.

1637
01:21:20,567 --> 01:21:22,037
When I reported that day
to Miscavige,

1638
01:21:22,067 --> 01:21:25,357
I reported it,
like, "i mean, he wants
to tap her phone."

1639
01:21:25,377 --> 01:21:27,657
He said,
"God damn it, get it done."

1640
01:21:27,697 --> 01:21:31,496
<i>And so I arranged,
through the scientology's
consigliere,</i>

1641
01:21:31,526 --> 01:21:34,126
<i>to get a private investigator</i>

1642
01:21:34,166 --> 01:21:36,716
who physically installed
a wiretap on her home.

1643
01:21:36,756 --> 01:21:38,707
And those tapes would come in,

1644
01:21:38,717 --> 01:21:42,176
<i>and I forwarded them
to Dave Miscavige.</i>

1645
01:21:42,226 --> 01:21:44,676
<i>The church then turned
its attention</i>

1646
01:21:44,706 --> 01:21:48,976
to their adopted children,
to turn them against
their mother

1647
01:21:49,016 --> 01:21:52,066
<i>and make sure
that the custody went to tom.</i>

1648
01:21:54,405 --> 01:21:58,235
<i>Tommy Davis, he was my liaison</i>

1649
01:21:58,275 --> 01:22:01,576
who had to do all the things
that are required

1650
01:22:01,606 --> 01:22:02,996
to please tom cruise

1651
01:22:03,026 --> 01:22:05,745
while he was being put through
the scientology hoops by me.

1652
01:22:05,775 --> 01:22:10,285
<i>He also was
part of this whole
reeducation program,</i>

1653
01:22:10,335 --> 01:22:13,455
<i>so that they would conclude
that their mother</i>

1654
01:22:13,505 --> 01:22:15,955
<i>was a suppressive person.</i>

1655
01:22:16,005 --> 01:22:18,174
<i>And that was successful.</i>

1656
01:22:18,204 --> 01:22:20,094
<i>It was all going
according to plan.</i>

1657
01:22:20,124 --> 01:22:22,845
And of course,
Miscavige would really

1658
01:22:22,885 --> 01:22:25,635
pump the oxygen
into that little fire,
you know.

1659
01:22:25,685 --> 01:22:30,084
<i>Miscavige was brilliant
at flaming people's fears,</i>

1660
01:22:30,104 --> 01:22:32,224
<i>and building up their egos.</i>

1661
01:22:34,304 --> 01:22:36,974
<i>So you were
being audited by Marty</i>

1662
01:22:37,024 --> 01:22:39,114
<i>at the same time
he was auditing cruise?</i>

1663
01:22:39,144 --> 01:22:41,423
Oh, yeah, yeah, I was...
Yeah, tom cruise.

1664
01:22:41,443 --> 01:22:43,944
Tom would go in,
and I would go in,
and tom would go in,

1665
01:22:43,984 --> 01:22:46,614
and I would go in,
and so, you know...

1666
01:22:46,654 --> 01:22:49,624
And I had been audited
by the best auditors
on the planet.

1667
01:22:49,654 --> 01:22:51,904
The best auditor, hands down,

1668
01:22:51,944 --> 01:22:54,493
I mean, like...
Like kinda Michael Jordan,

1669
01:22:54,543 --> 01:22:57,163
Wayne gretsky,
kinda auditor is Marty.

1670
01:23:00,833 --> 01:23:02,803
<i>They stole him, you know?</i>

1671
01:23:02,833 --> 01:23:05,953
<i>Tom thinks he's supposed
to be David Miscavige.</i>

1672
01:23:07,643 --> 01:23:10,303
By 2004, tom cruise
was the most gung-ho
scientologist in the world,

1673
01:23:10,343 --> 01:23:12,513
and Miscavige wanted
to recognize him for it.

1674
01:23:12,563 --> 01:23:15,293
<i>He called it
the freedom medal of valor</i>

1675
01:23:15,313 --> 01:23:18,852
<i>and they put together
this 35-minute video.</i>

1676
01:23:18,902 --> 01:23:23,772
<i>Ias freedom medal
of valor winner, tom cruise!</i>

1677
01:23:23,802 --> 01:23:26,143
<i>In it, they just
pump up this idea</i>

1678
01:23:26,153 --> 01:23:30,822
<i>that tom cruise
is the ambassador
of scientology to the world.</i>

1679
01:23:30,862 --> 01:23:33,532
<i>He's known as
the biggest movie star ever.</i>

1680
01:23:33,582 --> 01:23:35,312
Tom cruise travels this world,

1681
01:23:35,332 --> 01:23:37,482
<i>meeting with ministers,
ambassadors,</i>

1682
01:23:37,502 --> 01:23:39,082
<i>and the American
state department,</i>

1683
01:23:39,122 --> 01:23:44,121
<i>advancing lrh technology
straight into the corridors
of power.</i>

1684
01:23:44,171 --> 01:23:45,792
It's about improving conditions.

1685
01:23:45,822 --> 01:23:47,962
It allows you to find out
for yourself.

1686
01:23:47,992 --> 01:23:49,472
There's things
that we can do to help.

1687
01:23:49,512 --> 01:23:51,262
They even did a calculation,

1688
01:23:51,302 --> 01:23:53,431
where they figured
between his films

1689
01:23:53,471 --> 01:23:55,501
and all the "opinion leaders"
that he had met

1690
01:23:55,521 --> 01:23:57,131
and all the travel
he had done...

1691
01:23:57,171 --> 01:24:00,021
<i>Tom cruise has introduced
lrh technology</i>

1692
01:24:00,061 --> 01:24:03,670
to over one billion people
of earth.

1693
01:24:03,690 --> 01:24:06,981
<i>No question,
he has been a huge asset
to them.</i>

1694
01:24:07,031 --> 01:24:09,681
<i>Which is why the story
of tom cruise,</i>

1695
01:24:09,701 --> 01:24:14,821
<i>scientologist,
has only just begun.</i>

1696
01:24:14,851 --> 01:24:16,850
I think it's a privilege
to call yourself
a scientologist,

1697
01:24:16,870 --> 01:24:18,710
and it's something
that you have to earn.

1698
01:24:18,740 --> 01:24:20,660
Scientology loves to use
this word "end phenomena."

1699
01:24:20,690 --> 01:24:23,540
Every level
has an end phenomena,

1700
01:24:23,580 --> 01:24:24,880
you know, that you attain,

1701
01:24:24,960 --> 01:24:27,909
<i>and tom cruise shows that.</i>

1702
01:24:27,970 --> 01:24:30,420
<i>That video
with him in the black
turtleneck sweater?</i>

1703
01:24:30,470 --> 01:24:32,220
A scientologist is someone
who can look at the world

1704
01:24:32,250 --> 01:24:34,370
and really see what it is.

1705
01:24:34,390 --> 01:24:37,510
Not only
look at it and see it,
but be able to go,

1706
01:24:37,540 --> 01:24:40,759
poof, and be effective,
and do something about it.

1707
01:24:40,849 --> 01:24:43,679
<i>And he's as arrogant
and as untouchable</i>

1708
01:24:43,719 --> 01:24:45,099
<i>as could possibly be.</i>

1709
01:24:45,149 --> 01:24:48,229
At the same time,
he looks like an utter
crazy paranoiac.

1710
01:24:50,390 --> 01:24:55,029
And, uh...
I know... you know, she...

1711
01:24:55,059 --> 01:24:58,699
They, said, "so, like
have you met an sp?"

1712
01:25:03,068 --> 01:25:05,868
And I looked at her,

1713
01:25:05,898 --> 01:25:08,838
and I thought, "oh,
what a beautiful thing,"

1714
01:25:08,868 --> 01:25:11,539
because maybe one day,
it'll be like that.

1715
01:25:11,579 --> 01:25:13,679
You know what I'm saying?
Maybe one day,

1716
01:25:13,709 --> 01:25:16,548
it will be that...
"Wow. Sp's?"

1717
01:25:16,578 --> 01:25:18,128
Like, they'll just
read about those

1718
01:25:18,178 --> 01:25:20,078
in the history books, you know?

1719
01:25:20,098 --> 01:25:21,968
That's where it takes you.

1720
01:25:22,018 --> 01:25:25,608
That's the end phenomena
of the scientology bridge.

1721
01:25:25,638 --> 01:25:27,717
All scientologists
are full of shit.

1722
01:25:27,757 --> 01:25:29,887
You know, they lie.
"Aw, I'm doing great!

1723
01:25:29,927 --> 01:25:31,778
"You gotta get on seven."

1724
01:25:31,808 --> 01:25:33,778
You know, and they're fucking...

1725
01:25:33,818 --> 01:25:36,198
"I've got a fucking migraine
right now,

1726
01:25:36,228 --> 01:25:39,037
"and I've never
felt so shitty!"

1727
01:25:39,067 --> 01:25:41,437
You know,
that's the fucking life.

1728
01:25:43,787 --> 01:25:46,777
There's nothing
part of the way for me!

1729
01:25:48,947 --> 01:25:50,546
It's just... whoo!

1730
01:25:50,576 --> 01:25:52,376
<i>He drank the kool-aid.</i>

1731
01:25:52,416 --> 01:25:54,877
<i>And in the eyes of Miscavige,</i>

1732
01:25:54,917 --> 01:25:59,467
tom cruise is the perfect
scientology celebrity.

1733
01:25:59,557 --> 01:26:02,336
And nobody's benefited more
from his membership.

1734
01:26:02,386 --> 01:26:05,006
I mean, the amount
of free sea org labor.

1735
01:26:05,056 --> 01:26:08,456
<i>Sea org members make
40 cents an hour,</i>

1736
01:26:08,476 --> 01:26:10,266
<i>and I don't think
there's any way</i>

1737
01:26:10,296 --> 01:26:12,066
tom cruise is not aware of that.

1738
01:26:12,096 --> 01:26:13,436
The church
has done so much for him.

1739
01:26:13,466 --> 01:26:15,656
They tricked out all his cars
and his motorcycles.

1740
01:26:15,686 --> 01:26:19,106
"Oh, I want a new limo."
"We'll build it for you."

1741
01:26:19,136 --> 01:26:22,246
<i>Decked out tom cruise's hangar
in Santa Monica.</i>

1742
01:26:22,276 --> 01:26:26,325
<i>Installed all
the audiovisual stuff
in cruise's home.</i>

1743
01:26:26,365 --> 01:26:28,665
<i>Tom cruise had expressed
this fantasy</i>

1744
01:26:28,695 --> 01:26:32,005
<i>of wanting
to run through a meadow
with Nicole Kidman.</i>

1745
01:26:32,035 --> 01:26:34,335
<i>And so everybody had to work,
and till the soil.</i>

1746
01:26:34,375 --> 01:26:36,626
And then David Miscavige
didn't like it,

1747
01:26:36,706 --> 01:26:39,195
and so the whole thing
had to be ripped up again.

1748
01:26:39,225 --> 01:26:41,505
<i>This was at the gold facility,</i>

1749
01:26:41,545 --> 01:26:43,175
<i>which is this desert facility,</i>

1750
01:26:43,215 --> 01:26:45,595
<i>where this is all kinds
of great stuff,</i>

1751
01:26:45,635 --> 01:26:47,185
<i>if you're tom cruise, you know?</i>

1752
01:26:47,305 --> 01:26:48,885
<i>Wonderful living quarters
and a gym.</i>

1753
01:26:48,935 --> 01:26:51,554
When cruise comes up,
everyone's told in advance,

1754
01:26:51,604 --> 01:26:53,504
"you better have
a fucking smile on your face."

1755
01:26:53,524 --> 01:26:55,604
<i>Everyone had to
call cruise "sir."</i>

1756
01:27:18,464 --> 01:27:21,414
Thank you.

1757
01:27:21,464 --> 01:27:23,384
<i>It's this
side-by-side world.</i>

1758
01:27:23,424 --> 01:27:25,583
<i>There are celebrities
like cruise and Travolta,</i>

1759
01:27:25,633 --> 01:27:27,083
<i>and then, you know,
there are people</i>

1760
01:27:27,143 --> 01:27:30,393
<i>who tell terrible tales
of what happened to them
in the church...</i>

1761
01:27:30,423 --> 01:27:34,923
Being imprisoned
and really horrible
psychological games.

1762
01:27:37,212 --> 01:27:39,513
<i>Tom was in Spain.</i>

1763
01:27:39,553 --> 01:27:43,773
<i>They were opening up
a new scientology church
in Madrid.</i>

1764
01:27:43,823 --> 01:27:46,443
<i>And he was overheard to complain</i>

1765
01:27:46,493 --> 01:27:48,402
that he needed a new girlfriend.

1766
01:27:48,442 --> 01:27:52,412
<i>Soon after that,
a young scientologist
premed student</i>

1767
01:27:52,442 --> 01:27:55,502
<i>named nazanin boniadi...
She was told</i>

1768
01:27:55,532 --> 01:27:58,162
that she was going to get
a special assignment.

1769
01:27:58,202 --> 01:27:59,903
Number of transactions
increase...

1770
01:27:59,923 --> 01:28:02,842
<i>Years later, nazanin became
a successful TV actress</i>

1771
01:28:02,872 --> 01:28:06,262
<i>and she would
have a small part
in a Paul Haggis film.</i>

1772
01:28:06,292 --> 01:28:09,182
<i>But at the time,
she was a dedicated
young scientologist</i>

1773
01:28:09,212 --> 01:28:11,242
<i>who believed
in the church's claims</i>

1774
01:28:11,262 --> 01:28:13,211
<i>for its humanitarian mission.</i>

1775
01:28:13,251 --> 01:28:15,521
<i>In fact,
she set a monthly record</i>

1776
01:28:15,551 --> 01:28:18,771
<i>for selling books
for the church.</i>

1777
01:28:18,801 --> 01:28:22,262
<i>Nazanin may not
speak publicly
about her experiences</i>

1778
01:28:22,272 --> 01:28:25,281
<i>because of an nda
the church pressured her
to sign,</i>

1779
01:28:25,311 --> 01:28:28,591
<i>but I discovered details
from FBI testimony</i>

1780
01:28:28,611 --> 01:28:30,861
<i>regarding her ordeal.</i>

1781
01:28:30,901 --> 01:28:33,401
<i>David Miscavige
assigned nazanin's case</i>

1782
01:28:33,431 --> 01:28:36,040
<i>to a key church official,
Greg wilhere.</i>

1783
01:28:36,070 --> 01:28:38,200
<i>He put her through
a one-month program</i>

1784
01:28:38,240 --> 01:28:43,081
<i>of on-camera interviews,
intensive auditing,
and security checks.</i>

1785
01:28:43,111 --> 01:28:45,301
She was moved
into the celebrity center,

1786
01:28:45,331 --> 01:28:48,780
<i>separated from her family,
and certain problems
were addressed</i>

1787
01:28:48,800 --> 01:28:50,380
<i>during this period of time.</i>

1788
01:28:50,420 --> 01:28:52,720
<i>One was, she had a boyfriend.</i>

1789
01:28:52,750 --> 01:28:56,670
<i>She is handed a transcript
of his auditing session,</i>

1790
01:28:56,730 --> 01:28:59,129
<i>in which he admitted
that he had an affair.</i>

1791
01:28:59,139 --> 01:29:01,179
<i>And so she broke up with him.</i>

1792
01:29:01,229 --> 01:29:03,510
<i>Then wilhere took her
to an orthodontist</i>

1793
01:29:03,570 --> 01:29:04,760
<i>to have her braces removed.</i>

1794
01:29:04,800 --> 01:29:06,930
<i>At burberry and other stores
in Beverly hills,</i>

1795
01:29:06,970 --> 01:29:10,640
<i>he bought her $20,000
worth of clothes.</i>

1796
01:29:10,660 --> 01:29:12,989
<i>At the celebrity centre,
a man who worked</i>

1797
01:29:13,019 --> 01:29:14,569
<i>for cruise's hair stylist</i>

1798
01:29:14,609 --> 01:29:17,639
<i>colored nazanin's hair
to cruise's liking.</i>

1799
01:29:17,659 --> 01:29:19,659
<i>Nazanin was told
that her makeover</i>

1800
01:29:19,699 --> 01:29:22,529
<i>was a part
of the church's
humanitarian mission.</i>

1801
01:29:22,579 --> 01:29:26,989
<i>She had to look
her best for conferences
with world leaders.</i>

1802
01:29:29,369 --> 01:29:32,659
<i>Only after she was flown
first class to New York</i>

1803
01:29:32,679 --> 01:29:34,539
<i>did she discover the actual role</i>

1804
01:29:34,598 --> 01:29:36,878
<i>that the church
wanted her to play.</i>

1805
01:29:36,928 --> 01:29:41,628
<i>She was to be the girlfriend
of scientology's biggest star.</i>

1806
01:29:43,138 --> 01:29:46,359
<i>Within a month,
nazanin was living
with cruise.</i>

1807
01:29:46,388 --> 01:29:48,308
<i>While at his house in Telluride,</i>

1808
01:29:48,338 --> 01:29:49,778
<i>Miscavige came to visit.</i>

1809
01:29:49,808 --> 01:29:51,948
<i>Overcome by a severe headache,</i>

1810
01:29:51,978 --> 01:29:54,848
<i>nazanin had a hard time
understanding Miscavige,</i>

1811
01:29:54,878 --> 01:29:56,378
<i>which infuriated him.</i>

1812
01:29:56,418 --> 01:29:58,847
<i>The next day, cruise,
inches from her face,</i>

1813
01:29:58,867 --> 01:30:01,697
<i>pounded his fist on the table
and screamed at her</i>

1814
01:30:01,737 --> 01:30:03,987
<i>for insulting the head
of the church.</i>

1815
01:30:04,027 --> 01:30:06,357
<i>Two weeks later,
church henchman Tommy Davis</i>

1816
01:30:06,377 --> 01:30:08,908
<i>delivered the news to nazanin...</i>

1817
01:30:08,958 --> 01:30:11,407
<i>The relationship with cruise
was over.</i>

1818
01:30:11,467 --> 01:30:12,747
And they, according to her,

1819
01:30:12,797 --> 01:30:14,967
came to her apartment
with her mom

1820
01:30:14,997 --> 01:30:17,837
and found every photograph
of the two of them together,

1821
01:30:17,867 --> 01:30:20,807
and took them away.
Every scrap, every letter,
everything,

1822
01:30:20,837 --> 01:30:23,586
they...
As if it never existed.

1823
01:30:23,646 --> 01:30:25,596
<i>And she was really upset,</i>

1824
01:30:25,646 --> 01:30:28,307
<i>because she
had been really hurt
by the whole thing.</i>

1825
01:30:28,347 --> 01:30:30,877
<i>And she made the mistake
of telling her friend,</i>

1826
01:30:30,897 --> 01:30:34,236
<i>who immediately went to tell
someone in the church.</i>

1827
01:30:34,266 --> 01:30:36,716
<i>She agreed to do punishments,</i>

1828
01:30:36,736 --> 01:30:38,936
<i>like cleaning out
the public bathrooms</i>

1829
01:30:38,986 --> 01:30:42,026
<i>on her hands and knees
with a toothbrush,</i>

1830
01:30:42,056 --> 01:30:46,775
<i>while other people she knew
were stepping over her.</i>

1831
01:30:46,835 --> 01:30:48,785
She did nothing wrong,
other than tell her friend

1832
01:30:48,835 --> 01:30:51,336
that she was heartbroken,
and this is the way
she was treated?

1833
01:30:53,286 --> 01:30:56,236
<i>The church claims that
Miscavige has no involvement</i>

1834
01:30:56,256 --> 01:30:58,235
<i>in cruise's personal life</i>

1835
01:30:58,255 --> 01:31:02,295
<i>and that the search
for cruise's girlfriend
never existed.</i>

1836
01:31:05,185 --> 01:31:09,105
I wanna tell you something.

1837
01:31:09,135 --> 01:31:12,775
I have never met
a more competent,

1838
01:31:12,805 --> 01:31:15,805
a more intelligent,
a more tolerant,

1839
01:31:15,855 --> 01:31:18,095
a more compassionate being,

1840
01:31:18,115 --> 01:31:23,314
outside of what
I've experienced from lrh.

1841
01:31:23,364 --> 01:31:26,404
And I've met the leaders
of leaders.

1842
01:31:26,434 --> 01:31:28,484
Okay? I've met them all.

1843
01:31:28,534 --> 01:31:29,934
And so I say to you, sir, cob,

1844
01:31:29,954 --> 01:31:32,775
we are lucky to have you
and thank you very much.

1845
01:31:34,114 --> 01:31:36,074
<i>While Miscavige
would do anything</i>

1846
01:31:36,124 --> 01:31:38,244
<i>for the church's
most famous celebrity,</i>

1847
01:31:38,294 --> 01:31:40,164
<i>Miscavige began to turn against</i>

1848
01:31:40,214 --> 01:31:43,164
<i>the sea org's
highest-ranking executives.</i>

1849
01:31:43,214 --> 01:31:46,803
<i>He pretty much
had international management
shut down.</i>

1850
01:31:46,843 --> 01:31:49,093
He was into
this deep paranoia thing

1851
01:31:49,123 --> 01:31:50,643
about everybody is
out to get him.

1852
01:31:50,673 --> 01:31:53,674
He very definitely

1853
01:31:53,734 --> 01:31:56,294
wiped out
that organizational pattern

1854
01:31:56,314 --> 01:31:58,643
in order to be able
to have ultimate power.

1855
01:31:58,683 --> 01:32:00,933
<i>In 2004,</i>

1856
01:32:00,973 --> 01:32:03,983
<i>Miscavige ordered
the top officers
of the sea org</i>

1857
01:32:04,023 --> 01:32:06,273
<i>to the scientology's gold base</i>

1858
01:32:06,303 --> 01:32:07,823
<i>in Southern California.</i>

1859
01:32:07,863 --> 01:32:10,912
<i>He forced them
to live in a pair
of double-wide trailers</i>

1860
01:32:10,942 --> 01:32:13,332
<i>that came to be called
"the hole."</i>

1861
01:32:13,362 --> 01:32:15,333
<i>The doors had bars put on them,</i>

1862
01:32:15,363 --> 01:32:17,663
<i>the windows all had bars
put on them,</i>

1863
01:32:17,703 --> 01:32:20,083
<i>and there was one entrance door</i>

1864
01:32:20,122 --> 01:32:23,252
<i>that a security guard
sat at 24 hours a day.</i>

1865
01:32:23,292 --> 01:32:25,342
<i>They had to stay there,
sleep there.</i>

1866
01:32:25,372 --> 01:32:28,762
<i>It stunk and,
you know, there were ants
crawling around.</i>

1867
01:32:28,792 --> 01:32:31,042
You'd sleep about an hour
or two hours a night.

1868
01:32:31,102 --> 01:32:33,381
Um, you were
in such a mental state

1869
01:32:33,431 --> 01:32:36,102
that you're very controllable,
very suggestible.

1870
01:32:36,132 --> 01:32:38,672
<i>We were told
we needed to come up</i>

1871
01:32:38,692 --> 01:32:41,052
<i>with what
each other's crimes were</i>

1872
01:32:41,112 --> 01:32:42,892
<i>against Miscavige and Hubbard,</i>

1873
01:32:42,942 --> 01:32:44,891
<i>so that we could eventually
get out of the hole.</i>

1874
01:32:44,941 --> 01:32:47,311
<i>Scientology is really good</i>

1875
01:32:47,351 --> 01:32:49,701
at making you think
that you are a scoundrel.

1876
01:32:49,731 --> 01:32:53,121
"Confess your crimes!
Confess your crimes!
What have you done?"

1877
01:32:53,151 --> 01:32:54,231
<i>Fights would break out.</i>

1878
01:32:54,291 --> 01:32:57,071
Miscavige would get me
all riled up.

1879
01:32:57,121 --> 01:32:59,191
And I remember one time,
Mike had done something,

1880
01:32:59,211 --> 01:33:01,041
<i>or not done something,
i don't remember,</i>

1881
01:33:01,081 --> 01:33:02,991
<i>and I was supposed to
go beat him up.</i>

1882
01:33:03,031 --> 01:33:05,241
<i>One executive was made to mop up</i>

1883
01:33:05,301 --> 01:33:07,161
<i>the bathroom floor
with his tongue.</i>

1884
01:33:07,201 --> 01:33:10,030
<i>Another was put into a bucket,</i>

1885
01:33:10,050 --> 01:33:13,000
and pummeled
by some of the women,
and called a lesbian.

1886
01:33:13,040 --> 01:33:16,060
<i>There was a very powerful
air conditioner,</i>

1887
01:33:16,090 --> 01:33:17,541
<i>which blew straight down,</i>

1888
01:33:17,561 --> 01:33:19,640
<i>it was set on maximum cold,</i>

1889
01:33:19,680 --> 01:33:21,810
<i>and a guy was
made to sit in a chair,</i>

1890
01:33:21,850 --> 01:33:23,480
<i>and had water poured on his head</i>

1891
01:33:23,520 --> 01:33:26,770
<i>until he literally turned blue.</i>

1892
01:33:26,820 --> 01:33:28,940
Miscavige slapped me
across the face,

1893
01:33:28,990 --> 01:33:30,720
knocked me on the ground,
kicked me a couple times.

1894
01:33:30,740 --> 01:33:32,989
Flailing fists,
kneeing him in the stomach,

1895
01:33:33,019 --> 01:33:34,489
getting him on the floor.

1896
01:33:34,529 --> 01:33:39,060
And you think,
you want to get up
and retaliate,

1897
01:33:39,080 --> 01:33:42,080
but you also think,
"i got 75 other people

1898
01:33:42,120 --> 01:33:46,419
"who are all likely
to tackle me if I did"...

1899
01:33:46,449 --> 01:33:50,169
And then you got
the sheer shock of it.

1900
01:33:50,209 --> 01:33:52,009
Here's the equivalent
of the pope

1901
01:33:52,039 --> 01:33:54,409
suddenly knocking you
on the ground,

1902
01:33:54,429 --> 01:33:56,008
and you're thinking,

1903
01:33:56,048 --> 01:33:59,769
"i must have
really screwed up."

1904
01:34:01,719 --> 01:34:03,689
<i>It was a poisonous environment.</i>

1905
01:34:03,719 --> 01:34:05,889
<i>People were really frightened.</i>

1906
01:34:05,939 --> 01:34:08,388
<i>And this went on for years.</i>

1907
01:34:08,428 --> 01:34:10,558
This isn't a couple of days.

1908
01:34:10,608 --> 01:34:13,098
<i>The nominal president
of the church,</i>

1909
01:34:13,108 --> 01:34:14,448
<i>this man named heber jentszch,</i>

1910
01:34:14,478 --> 01:34:16,118
<i>he was in there for seven years.</i>

1911
01:34:16,148 --> 01:34:17,698
<i>What is the statement?</i>

1912
01:34:17,738 --> 01:34:19,597
<i>"God helps those
who help themselves."</i>

1913
01:34:19,617 --> 01:34:21,148
Well, in scientology,
we're engaged

1914
01:34:21,208 --> 01:34:22,868
in helping people
help themselves,

1915
01:34:22,908 --> 01:34:26,958
so they can
fully comprehend
and understand God.

1916
01:34:33,797 --> 01:34:35,637
<i>One night,</i>

1917
01:34:35,667 --> 01:34:38,547
<i>Miscavige comes
into the hole with a boom box.</i>

1918
01:34:38,587 --> 01:34:42,057
<i>He said, "I'm gonna
teach you all a lesson.</i>

1919
01:34:42,087 --> 01:34:44,587
"We're all gonna play
musical chairs."

1920
01:34:44,627 --> 01:34:46,227
And musical chairs
is a scientology

1921
01:34:46,257 --> 01:34:48,097
administrative term
for when you move people

1922
01:34:48,127 --> 01:34:51,517
from different posts rapidly,
and you create instability.

1923
01:34:51,567 --> 01:34:52,847
They played the damned music.

1924
01:34:58,026 --> 01:34:59,476
<i>He said, "we're gonna play it</i>

1925
01:34:59,486 --> 01:35:01,656
<i>to 'bohemian rhapsody'
by queen."</i>

1926
01:35:01,696 --> 01:35:03,247
<i>And he emphasized the line...</i>

1927
01:35:05,277 --> 01:35:07,696
"Nothing matters anymore."
And that's your whole attitude,

1928
01:35:07,746 --> 01:35:09,416
that's where you live,
that's who you are.

1929
01:35:09,446 --> 01:35:10,726
Playing that music, and stop it,

1930
01:35:10,756 --> 01:35:12,286
and everyone would
have to grab a chair.

1931
01:35:12,316 --> 01:35:14,316
And there's one person
left standing.

1932
01:35:21,925 --> 01:35:23,875
<i>What Miscavige has warned them</i>

1933
01:35:23,935 --> 01:35:27,136
is that the last person
who remains gets to stay.

1934
01:35:27,166 --> 01:35:28,496
"Everybody else,
you're expelled.

1935
01:35:28,516 --> 01:35:30,215
<i>"You're going to be thrown out
of the sea org."</i>

1936
01:35:30,275 --> 01:35:34,805
These people were fighting
to stay in the hole.

1937
01:35:34,845 --> 01:35:37,845
<i>Throwing people around,
scratching, kicking.</i>

1938
01:35:37,865 --> 01:35:40,815
<i>They're tearing chairs apart,
they're ripping clothing.</i>

1939
01:35:40,845 --> 01:35:42,114
<i>And whatever it took.</i>

1940
01:35:48,075 --> 01:35:51,455
But then nothing happens.

1941
01:35:56,524 --> 01:35:59,794
"Out of the goodness
of my heart, you can stay.

1942
01:35:59,834 --> 01:36:01,994
"But you better come clean.
You better...

1943
01:36:02,034 --> 01:36:04,214
"I better have some good
confessions out of you."

1944
01:36:04,254 --> 01:36:07,884
I... I mean, you...
You know...

1945
01:36:07,924 --> 01:36:11,094
As much as they
get into everything
that you ever think or do,

1946
01:36:11,144 --> 01:36:13,644
they never got into my think
on this score,

1947
01:36:13,684 --> 01:36:16,064
that I would never go to prison.

1948
01:36:16,094 --> 01:36:19,233
And so it was inevitable,
when I got... when I...

1949
01:36:19,263 --> 01:36:21,813
He literally created
this prison camp.

1950
01:36:21,853 --> 01:36:25,853
Um, it was inevitable
that I wasn't gonna
last there.

1951
01:36:31,333 --> 01:36:34,113
It's embarrassing to have
ever been involved with,

1952
01:36:34,163 --> 01:36:35,703
to think about it.

1953
01:36:35,733 --> 01:36:37,783
"God, I can't even believe
I'm talkin' about it."

1954
01:36:37,833 --> 01:36:39,373
But it was bad.

1955
01:36:42,092 --> 01:36:44,442
<i>Let's say the FBI
showed up at the hole,</i>

1956
01:36:44,472 --> 01:36:46,842
and said, "this is the FBI.
We're lettin' everyone out."

1957
01:36:46,872 --> 01:36:49,513
Do you think everyone
would have said, "oh,
thank God, the FBI's here"?

1958
01:36:49,543 --> 01:36:52,262
No. I think that everybody,
one for one,

1959
01:36:52,302 --> 01:36:54,382
would have gone,
"what do you mean?

1960
01:36:54,422 --> 01:36:56,602
"We... we're doing this
voluntarily.

1961
01:36:56,632 --> 01:36:59,102
"We like living
in these conditions."

1962
01:36:59,142 --> 01:37:00,522
Over the past week,

1963
01:37:00,562 --> 01:37:02,302
we've been reporting on
allegations of physical abuse

1964
01:37:02,362 --> 01:37:03,722
inside
the church of scientology.

1965
01:37:03,782 --> 01:37:05,861
We spoke with the ex-wives
of some of the men

1966
01:37:05,891 --> 01:37:07,311
making the claims of abuse.

1967
01:37:07,361 --> 01:37:09,031
<i>I read all of your affidavits.</i>

1968
01:37:09,061 --> 01:37:11,062
Obviously, your ex-husbands
have made charges

1969
01:37:11,102 --> 01:37:12,532
against David Miscavige,

1970
01:37:12,572 --> 01:37:15,282
saying that
they have seen repeated acts
of physical violence

1971
01:37:15,322 --> 01:37:16,571
perpetrated by Mr. Miscavige.

1972
01:37:16,601 --> 01:37:18,701
Is... is any of that true?

1973
01:37:18,741 --> 01:37:21,241
No. No.
Not one ounce of it.

1974
01:37:21,281 --> 01:37:23,911
That's not the character
of Mr. David Miscavige.

1975
01:37:23,941 --> 01:37:27,251
<i>My ex-wife,
Marty rathbun's ex-wife,</i>

1976
01:37:27,281 --> 01:37:30,970
<i>tom de vocht's ex-wife,
that were on "Anderson Cooper,"</i>

1977
01:37:31,050 --> 01:37:33,301
they all came out of the hole!

1978
01:37:33,341 --> 01:37:35,891
They were all sent there
to do that.

1979
01:37:35,921 --> 01:37:38,141
They went back to the hole!

1980
01:37:38,181 --> 01:37:39,930
<i>It's just ridiculous.</i>

1981
01:37:39,960 --> 01:37:42,430
<i>This line
that my ex-wife said...</i>

1982
01:37:42,460 --> 01:37:45,480
I lived with Mike rinder
for over 35 years.

1983
01:37:45,520 --> 01:37:47,770
I know every square inch
of Mike rinder's body.

1984
01:37:47,800 --> 01:37:50,600
She said it
because she was told
to say it by Miscavige.

1985
01:37:50,640 --> 01:37:53,740
And the proof of that is,
when tom de vocht's ex-wife

1986
01:37:53,780 --> 01:37:57,610
<i>then repeated the same thing
over again...</i>

1987
01:37:57,650 --> 01:37:59,660
I know every inch of him.

1988
01:37:59,700 --> 01:38:01,450
<i>You gotta be kidding me!</i>

1989
01:38:01,480 --> 01:38:02,580
Everything that happens

1990
01:38:02,620 --> 01:38:04,449
from the church of scientology
is scripted.

1991
01:38:04,489 --> 01:38:06,499
Don't ever turn
the other cheek and acquiesce,

1992
01:38:06,539 --> 01:38:08,289
hit 'em back.

1993
01:38:08,319 --> 01:38:12,509
Marty rathbun
suddenly went and leapt
on top of Mike rinder

1994
01:38:12,539 --> 01:38:14,290
and fought him to the ground

1995
01:38:14,330 --> 01:38:16,849
and started choking him
and beating him.

1996
01:38:16,879 --> 01:38:18,849
And nothing seems
to have been done about it.

1997
01:38:18,879 --> 01:38:20,769
Mr. Miscavige was not
at the property at the time.

1998
01:38:20,799 --> 01:38:22,269
Do you not have telephones?

1999
01:38:22,299 --> 01:38:23,799
Of course we have telephones.

2000
01:38:23,839 --> 01:38:26,139
I think
you're being quite rude
and quite insulting.

2001
01:38:26,169 --> 01:38:28,338
Here's the bottom line.
Here's the bottom line...

2002
01:38:28,358 --> 01:38:30,888
There is no history
of violence in the church.

2003
01:38:30,948 --> 01:38:33,808
As somebody who ran PR
for the church for a long time,

2004
01:38:33,848 --> 01:38:37,449
do you have any regret
for anything that you did
in that capacity?

2005
01:38:37,489 --> 01:38:39,898
Well, I think the biggest regret

2006
01:38:39,948 --> 01:38:44,368
<i>is when John sweeney
at "panorama" was doing
his program,</i>

2007
01:38:44,408 --> 01:38:46,738
<i>it was the culmination
of a lot...</i>

2008
01:38:46,788 --> 01:38:49,158
<i>I mean, I'd been
in the hole for a year.</i>

2009
01:38:49,198 --> 01:38:52,247
<i>And I ended up
being sent to england.</i>

2010
01:38:52,297 --> 01:38:54,827
<i>Hi, Mike.
He was
constantly going,</i>

2011
01:38:54,867 --> 01:38:58,338
"well, why do you
have private investigators
following me?"

2012
01:38:58,368 --> 01:39:00,468
I'm like...
That never happened!

2013
01:39:00,508 --> 01:39:02,038
Ever, ever happened!

2014
01:39:02,058 --> 01:39:03,587
And of course there were.

2015
01:39:03,637 --> 01:39:05,387
I was following John sweeney.

2016
01:39:05,427 --> 01:39:08,097
Oh, there it is.

2017
01:39:08,147 --> 01:39:11,067
Okay, there we are.

2018
01:39:11,097 --> 01:39:12,767
<i>He's got his camera,</i>

2019
01:39:12,817 --> 01:39:14,566
<i>he's standing there
and he's saying,</i>

2020
01:39:14,606 --> 01:39:18,017
<i>"i want a response.
I have credible witnesses.</i>

2021
01:39:18,057 --> 01:39:22,327
"Did David Miscavige
physically assault you?"

2022
01:39:22,357 --> 01:39:23,577
And I said...

2023
01:39:23,607 --> 01:39:28,076
Those allegations
are absolute, utter rubbish.

2024
01:39:28,166 --> 01:39:30,866
Absolute, utter rubbish.

2025
01:39:30,906 --> 01:39:32,756
You have been assaulted
by Miscavige?

2026
01:39:32,786 --> 01:39:35,166
Many times, many times.

2027
01:39:35,206 --> 01:39:38,205
Perhaps more than anybody else.

2028
01:39:38,245 --> 01:39:42,426
I was now sort of

2029
01:39:42,466 --> 01:39:45,426
at the end of my rope.

2030
01:39:46,886 --> 01:39:50,215
<i>It was a real moment
of clarity for me...</i>

2031
01:39:50,255 --> 01:39:52,585
<i>"I don't want
to be doing this anymore.</i>

2032
01:39:52,605 --> 01:39:54,635
<i>"This is nuts!"</i>

2033
01:39:54,695 --> 01:39:59,365
<i>That was actually
the last thing that I did
before I left.</i>

2034
01:40:09,435 --> 01:40:13,494
<i>So I'd been in scientology
about two and a half years.</i>

2035
01:40:13,544 --> 01:40:15,744
<i>I am kickin' ass.</i>

2036
01:40:15,774 --> 01:40:19,384
I felt like I had gotten out
of the fuckin' trap.

2037
01:40:19,414 --> 01:40:22,085
I didn't have to have a problem.

2038
01:40:22,135 --> 01:40:24,415
<i>I said,
"I'm done with auditing."</i>

2039
01:40:24,455 --> 01:40:27,384
<i>But they insisted
on gettin' me back,</i>

2040
01:40:27,424 --> 01:40:30,144
<i>and said just,
"believe us, believe us,
believe us."</i>

2041
01:40:30,174 --> 01:40:32,894
I got so fucked up.

2042
01:40:32,924 --> 01:40:35,794
I mean, they... they...
I went insane.

2043
01:40:35,814 --> 01:40:38,843
I was, like, stuck somewhere

2044
01:40:38,903 --> 01:40:41,653
in a tiny spot
behind my eyeballs,

2045
01:40:41,683 --> 01:40:44,524
looking this way.

2046
01:40:44,574 --> 01:40:48,024
I mean, I...
I'd never experienced
anything like it.

2047
01:40:48,074 --> 01:40:50,913
10 fuckin' years!

2048
01:40:51,833 --> 01:40:55,413
<i>I was worse than the day
that I walked in.</i>

2049
01:40:55,453 --> 01:40:58,253
It was by design,
'cause they needed to...

2050
01:40:58,283 --> 01:41:00,253
To keep me in there.

2051
01:41:00,283 --> 01:41:01,952
So basically, they had to

2052
01:41:01,992 --> 01:41:04,623
put a whole new case on me,
so they could run it.

2053
01:41:04,663 --> 01:41:08,173
And they just kept tryin'
to fuckin' keep me stuck in.

2054
01:41:08,213 --> 01:41:09,663
It was crazy!

2055
01:41:09,693 --> 01:41:14,802
<i>So I finally said,
"I'm going my way.
You guys go yours."</i>

2056
01:41:14,832 --> 01:41:18,682
I was pissed. I was sad.
I was disillusioned.

2057
01:41:18,722 --> 01:41:21,942
<i>And I thought,
"maybe somebody
could interview me,</i>

2058
01:41:21,972 --> 01:41:24,672
<i>"ask me some questions
about scientology."</i>

2059
01:41:24,692 --> 01:41:28,842
How I got into scientology,
and why I got out.

2060
01:41:28,862 --> 01:41:30,652
Post this two-hour thing,

2061
01:41:30,682 --> 01:41:33,482
and it was the ♪1 thing
on YouTube for two days

2062
01:41:33,532 --> 01:41:35,522
before
it "mysteriously" disappeared.

2063
01:41:35,542 --> 01:41:36,741
The best traps...

2064
01:41:36,791 --> 01:41:39,321
You get a guy to just
keep himself in jail.

2065
01:41:39,361 --> 01:41:42,491
Right? And that's
what scientology does.

2066
01:41:42,531 --> 01:41:44,991
<i>I started getting
all this communication</i>

2067
01:41:45,031 --> 01:41:46,632
<i>because of that video.</i>

2068
01:41:46,662 --> 01:41:49,701
You know,
"you saved my family."

2069
01:41:49,721 --> 01:41:51,671
You know, "you've...
I finally had the courage

2070
01:41:51,701 --> 01:41:53,871
"to leave
after I watched your thing."

2071
01:41:53,891 --> 01:41:58,511
You know?
I mean, like,
there's blood and tears.

2072
01:41:58,561 --> 01:42:00,560
And then I started to find out,

2073
01:42:00,590 --> 01:42:02,880
you know, all the stuff
that was really happening.

2074
01:42:02,900 --> 01:42:05,010
You know, I lost money,
i got fucked,

2075
01:42:05,050 --> 01:42:08,381
but then I found out
about the abuse
in the sea org.

2076
01:42:08,401 --> 01:42:11,390
And I felt like, "fuck me,
i gotta do somethin' about it."

2077
01:42:11,410 --> 01:42:14,160
<i>And I finally
tracked down Marty rathbun.</i>

2078
01:42:14,190 --> 01:42:15,890
<i>Everybody thought he was dead.</i>

2079
01:42:15,910 --> 01:42:18,360
<i>He was in fuckin' Mexico.
And I went down there,</i>

2080
01:42:18,400 --> 01:42:20,400
<i>and I basically
convinced him to talk.</i>

2081
01:42:20,410 --> 01:42:22,230
<i>And, like,
"we gotta do somethin'."</i>

2082
01:42:22,250 --> 01:42:23,869
<i>And then he started his blog.</i>

2083
01:42:27,910 --> 01:42:29,840
<i>There was a beating every day.</i>

2084
01:42:29,870 --> 01:42:31,170
<i>And if it wasn't him doin' it,</i>

2085
01:42:31,210 --> 01:42:35,089
it was from him inciting others
to do it to others.

2086
01:42:35,129 --> 01:42:36,929
I think that it's a cult.

2087
01:42:36,959 --> 01:42:39,349
I'm doin' my own thing,
i want to get on with my life.

2088
01:42:39,379 --> 01:42:41,219
I am telling the truth.

2089
01:42:41,249 --> 01:42:43,469
<i>Suddenly I heard
senior members of the church</i>

2090
01:42:43,519 --> 01:42:45,089
<i>were speaking out,</i>

2091
01:42:45,109 --> 01:42:48,718
so I started to look,
and I started to read.

2092
01:42:48,758 --> 01:42:50,729
And then I started
to reach out to people.

2093
01:42:50,759 --> 01:42:53,899
<i>Two of my daughters are gay,
and told me</i>

2094
01:42:53,929 --> 01:42:57,279
<i>how they'd been treated
within the church.
I didn't know.</i>

2095
01:42:57,369 --> 01:43:00,118
<i>Paul Haggis's daughters
were openly harassed</i>

2096
01:43:00,198 --> 01:43:02,198
<i>by church members for being gay.</i>

2097
01:43:02,238 --> 01:43:04,408
<i>Investigating further,
Haggis discovered</i>

2098
01:43:04,438 --> 01:43:07,538
<i>that church doctrine
viewed homosexuality
as a disease</i>

2099
01:43:07,578 --> 01:43:10,209
<i>that only Hubbard's teachings
could cure.</i>

2100
01:43:10,249 --> 01:43:12,378
<i>And a California
chapter of scientology</i>

2101
01:43:12,418 --> 01:43:15,548
<i>had supported a ban
on gay marriage.</i>

2102
01:43:15,588 --> 01:43:17,748
I can't be part
of an organization

2103
01:43:17,788 --> 01:43:21,058
that doesn't support

2104
01:43:21,088 --> 01:43:23,307
human rights for everyone.

2105
01:43:25,647 --> 01:43:28,977
<i>So I sent a letter
to 25 friends in the church</i>

2106
01:43:29,017 --> 01:43:30,727
<i>that I was resigning.</i>

2107
01:43:30,767 --> 01:43:33,188
<i>And I'd hoped
they'd read this letter</i>

2108
01:43:33,238 --> 01:43:37,607
<i>and be horrified
by the things I'd found out.</i>

2109
01:43:41,657 --> 01:43:44,107
<i>A few days later, I drive home.</i>

2110
01:43:44,147 --> 01:43:46,366
<i>There have to be 10 people
standing in my front yard.</i>

2111
01:43:46,416 --> 01:43:48,746
<i>I recognize them.
They're my friends.</i>

2112
01:43:48,786 --> 01:43:51,646
They said, "Paul,
we need you to tear up
this letter.

2113
01:43:51,666 --> 01:43:53,867
"And we need you
to get all the copies
and tear them up,

2114
01:43:53,917 --> 01:43:55,837
"and resign quietly."

2115
01:43:55,877 --> 01:43:57,956
I said, "i don't do that."
You know?

2116
01:43:57,996 --> 01:43:59,486
"I'm sorry.
I don't do that."

2117
01:43:59,506 --> 01:44:02,256
<i>I sent a copy to Marty rathbun.</i>

2118
01:44:02,296 --> 01:44:04,876
<i>He put it on his blog,
one page on a day,</i>

2119
01:44:04,936 --> 01:44:08,046
<i>and didn't reveal my name
until the Friday.</i>

2120
01:44:08,106 --> 01:44:10,105
<i>Monday morning, I woke up.</i>

2121
01:44:10,135 --> 01:44:14,176
600 of the top newspapers
of the world had it.

2122
01:44:14,196 --> 01:44:16,356
<i>You know, it was in Bulgaria.</i>

2123
01:44:16,396 --> 01:44:20,316
<i>I mean, it was reprinted
in seven languages.</i>

2124
01:44:20,346 --> 01:44:22,815
I went, "oh my God,
what have I done?"

2125
01:44:22,845 --> 01:44:26,285
I mean... it did garner
a lot of interest.

2126
01:44:26,315 --> 01:44:27,905
People will judge you,
one way or the other.

2127
01:44:27,955 --> 01:44:31,355
I figured
people would judge me
as really stupid.

2128
01:44:31,375 --> 01:44:33,694
But then, I was really stupid.

2129
01:44:33,704 --> 01:44:38,365
I was a part of this
for 30 years before
i spoke out.

2130
01:44:38,395 --> 01:44:42,045
<i>I felt deeply ashamed.</i>

2131
01:44:42,085 --> 01:44:46,004
<i>Why didn't I do it earlier?
Why didn't I look earlier?</i>

2132
01:44:48,924 --> 01:44:52,174
<i>People are so indoctrinated,</i>

2133
01:44:52,214 --> 01:44:55,674
and have been in scientology
a really long, long time.

2134
01:44:55,714 --> 01:44:58,684
Or they've grown up in it,
and they don't know
anything else.

2135
01:44:58,714 --> 01:45:03,684
It's so scary to them
to have to start all over,

2136
01:45:03,724 --> 01:45:06,224
and it takes
a really strong person

2137
01:45:06,244 --> 01:45:08,404
to stand up to them and say no.

2138
01:45:10,073 --> 01:45:12,063
<i>In 2009,</i>

2139
01:45:12,083 --> 01:45:15,743
<i>my son was on staff
at the church.</i>

2140
01:45:15,783 --> 01:45:18,504
<i>And "the truth rundown"
came out in the
"St. Pete times,"</i>

2141
01:45:18,534 --> 01:45:21,073
<i>exposing what was going on</i>

2142
01:45:21,093 --> 01:45:25,093
<i>with the beatings,
people in the hole.</i>

2143
01:45:25,123 --> 01:45:26,623
The church was very mad
at my son,

2144
01:45:26,673 --> 01:45:28,463
because he knew
it was going to happen,

2145
01:45:28,513 --> 01:45:30,383
and he didn't tell them.

2146
01:45:30,413 --> 01:45:33,012
And he didn't tell them
because he had a good friend

2147
01:45:33,052 --> 01:45:35,352
<i>that became friends
with Mike rinder</i>

2148
01:45:35,382 --> 01:45:37,272
<i>and Marty rathbun,</i>

2149
01:45:37,302 --> 01:45:40,643
<i>and he believed
what they were saying
in "the truth rundown."</i>

2150
01:45:42,943 --> 01:45:45,062
<i>The church was threatening,</i>

2151
01:45:45,092 --> 01:45:47,892
<i>that he was gonna get declared
a suppressive person</i>

2152
01:45:47,932 --> 01:45:51,312
<i>if he didn't disconnect
from his friend.</i>

2153
01:45:51,372 --> 01:45:53,902
<i>My son, he was raised
a scientologist,</i>

2154
01:45:53,932 --> 01:45:56,291
<i>you know,
and he'd been on staff.</i>

2155
01:45:56,321 --> 01:45:58,151
<i>He made 30 bucks a week.</i>

2156
01:45:58,211 --> 01:45:59,992
<i>He headed up
their boy scout troop.</i>

2157
01:46:00,042 --> 01:46:03,742
He was like
this consummate youth
of scientology.

2158
01:46:03,782 --> 01:46:07,832
<i>The continental justice chief
called him on the phone.</i>

2159
01:46:07,881 --> 01:46:10,281
<i>And it was after that
the declare came down,</i>

2160
01:46:10,301 --> 01:46:12,971
<i>and he was just devastated.</i>

2161
01:46:13,001 --> 01:46:16,891
<i>The church told his friends
everything they could find</i>

2162
01:46:16,921 --> 01:46:21,011
<i>in his pc folder
to ruin his reputation.</i>

2163
01:46:21,061 --> 01:46:23,761
<i>I wrote this petition.</i>

2164
01:46:23,801 --> 01:46:28,571
<i>I tried to put in everything
good that my son had done.</i>

2165
01:46:28,601 --> 01:46:30,151
"Dear Sarah,
thank you for the letter

2166
01:46:30,191 --> 01:46:33,270
"that you sent
regarding the situation
with Nick lister.

2167
01:46:33,310 --> 01:46:38,310
"I cannot approve
that you continue
your connection with Nick."

2168
01:46:38,330 --> 01:46:41,280
No one's gonna tell me
when I can and can't
speak to him.

2169
01:46:41,320 --> 01:46:44,420
No one, but me.

2170
01:46:44,450 --> 01:46:47,590
"Your committee
of evidence findings
and recommendations

2171
01:46:47,620 --> 01:46:50,420
"recommended you
be labeled suppressive,

2172
01:46:50,460 --> 01:46:53,210
"engaging in malicious
rumor mongering

2173
01:46:53,260 --> 01:46:56,849
"to destroy the authority
or repute of higher officers

2174
01:46:56,879 --> 01:47:00,179
"or the leading names
of scientology."

2175
01:47:00,219 --> 01:47:02,349
My husband
was charged with that one,

2176
01:47:02,389 --> 01:47:03,970
because he was telling me

2177
01:47:04,000 --> 01:47:07,009
what he read on the Internet
about David Miscavige.

2178
01:47:07,019 --> 01:47:09,389
They say,
"don't go on the Internet,
don't read.

2179
01:47:09,439 --> 01:47:10,809
"Don't go to these sites."

2180
01:47:10,839 --> 01:47:14,349
From the time that I got in,

2181
01:47:14,369 --> 01:47:18,069
for 30 years, I never read
one critical thing
about scientology.

2182
01:47:18,119 --> 01:47:20,788
<i>When I finally decided
to open my eyes and look,</i>

2183
01:47:20,818 --> 01:47:23,068
<i>I was shocked, just shocked.</i>

2184
01:47:23,118 --> 01:47:25,189
But if you're a member
of the church of scientology,

2185
01:47:25,209 --> 01:47:29,039
and someone in your family,
or a friend, or your spouse,

2186
01:47:29,079 --> 01:47:32,628
is skeptical or critical
of the church of scientology,

2187
01:47:32,668 --> 01:47:35,748
you are supposed to disconnect
yourself from that person...

2188
01:47:35,798 --> 01:47:39,388
<i>Tommy Davis,
who was the spokesperson
for the church,</i>

2189
01:47:39,418 --> 01:47:43,427
he's being asked about
the policy of disconnection.

2190
01:47:43,477 --> 01:47:46,088
Anything that's characterized
as disconnection

2191
01:47:46,148 --> 01:47:48,258
or this kinda thing,
it's just... it's just not true.

2192
01:47:48,318 --> 01:47:50,848
<i>There isn't...
I confronted him
about this.</i>

2193
01:47:50,878 --> 01:47:53,898
And I said,
"Tommy, I don't need
to search outside to ask for...

2194
01:47:53,938 --> 01:47:56,237
"To check research
and see if other...

2195
01:47:56,267 --> 01:47:58,437
"This has happened
to other people.
This happened to my wife.

2196
01:47:58,487 --> 01:48:01,357
"You asked her and me
to disconnect from her parents

2197
01:48:01,397 --> 01:48:03,827
"because of something trivial
they did years ago."

2198
01:48:03,857 --> 01:48:05,827
My wife disconnected from me,

2199
01:48:05,867 --> 01:48:08,917
my daughter, my son, my brother,

2200
01:48:08,947 --> 01:48:10,917
my sister, my mother,

2201
01:48:10,947 --> 01:48:12,747
all of my nieces and nephews.

2202
01:48:12,787 --> 01:48:15,257
And that is the only family
that I have.

2203
01:48:15,287 --> 01:48:17,427
You know, you label
these people suppressive

2204
01:48:17,457 --> 01:48:19,536
so that, you know,
everybody automatically...

2205
01:48:19,576 --> 01:48:21,876
They're discredited,
and they must disconnect
from them.

2206
01:48:21,916 --> 01:48:24,346
And that's how you keep
people in a bubble.

2207
01:48:24,386 --> 01:48:26,846
And that's what they do.
I mean, my son was declared

2208
01:48:26,886 --> 01:48:28,297
because he wouldn't disconnect
from his friend.

2209
01:48:28,357 --> 01:48:30,356
I was declared,
and my husband was declared

2210
01:48:30,386 --> 01:48:32,306
because we wouldn't
disconnect from my son.

2211
01:48:32,356 --> 01:48:34,056
And now guess what happened?

2212
01:48:34,086 --> 01:48:37,896
Everyone connected to us
just scatters to the wind.

2213
01:48:37,926 --> 01:48:40,066
<i>Through all of this time,</i>

2214
01:48:40,096 --> 01:48:43,365
<i>I have a daughter
who's very much
into the church.</i>

2215
01:48:43,395 --> 01:48:46,435
<i>I have a granddaughter</i>

2216
01:48:46,465 --> 01:48:49,906
<i>who's the love of my life,
and who loves her Nana.</i>

2217
01:48:49,936 --> 01:48:52,776
<i>I was planning on talking
to my daughter,</i>

2218
01:48:52,806 --> 01:48:55,875
<i>and trying to tell her
what was really happening.</i>

2219
01:48:55,915 --> 01:48:59,425
She hugged me,
she told me she loved me.

2220
01:48:59,465 --> 01:49:02,515
She said, "i have to
disconnect from you."

2221
01:49:07,894 --> 01:49:11,025
So, um...

2222
01:49:16,865 --> 01:49:20,564
I just was concentrating
on smelling her hair

2223
01:49:20,604 --> 01:49:23,374
and seeing the way she felt,

2224
01:49:23,404 --> 01:49:26,034
touching her skin on my face.

2225
01:49:28,824 --> 01:49:31,714
<i>That's the last time I saw them.</i>

2226
01:49:36,384 --> 01:49:38,384
<i>It really is the crux</i>

2227
01:49:38,424 --> 01:49:42,503
<i>of how controlling
is any religion</i>

2228
01:49:42,553 --> 01:49:44,843
<i>over its adherents,</i>

2229
01:49:44,893 --> 01:49:47,763
<i>and scientology has perfected</i>

2230
01:49:47,793 --> 01:49:51,143
<i>a lot of techniques of control.</i>

2231
01:49:51,183 --> 01:49:54,803
There is no logical explanation

2232
01:49:54,823 --> 01:49:58,433
as to why, other than faith.

2233
01:49:58,493 --> 01:50:00,803
<i>Your future, your eternity,</i>

2234
01:50:00,823 --> 01:50:03,993
<i>all depends on
you going up the bridge.</i>

2235
01:50:04,023 --> 01:50:08,032
<i>It's scary.
It's kinda like
christianity with hell.</i>

2236
01:50:08,082 --> 01:50:10,042
<i>If they don't have the bridge,
they can't go free.</i>

2237
01:50:10,082 --> 01:50:13,983
<i>They don't believe
they can get it anywhere else.</i>

2238
01:50:14,003 --> 01:50:16,033
It's like brainwashing.
Really simple.

2239
01:50:16,093 --> 01:50:18,342
I mean, that's a scary word,

2240
01:50:18,372 --> 01:50:21,262
and it took me a long time

2241
01:50:21,292 --> 01:50:24,342
to come to that conclusion,
that that's what's occurred.

2242
01:50:24,382 --> 01:50:26,852
You take on

2243
01:50:26,882 --> 01:50:30,331
a kind of a...
A matrix of thought

2244
01:50:30,351 --> 01:50:34,851
that is not your own.

2245
01:50:34,892 --> 01:50:37,842
I think that's how i
and other people got involved

2246
01:50:37,862 --> 01:50:39,891
and stuck through it
for so long.

2247
01:50:39,941 --> 01:50:41,981
Because when you're out,
you look at it,

2248
01:50:42,011 --> 01:50:45,561
and you go,
"what the crap
was I thinking," you know?

2249
01:50:45,621 --> 01:50:47,371
It's such a hard thing
when you do wake up.

2250
01:50:47,401 --> 01:50:49,281
You go, "oh my God."

2251
01:50:49,321 --> 01:50:51,790
Because you have this wave
of regrets.

2252
01:50:51,820 --> 01:50:55,910
<i>I just started to think
that maybe my entire life</i>

2253
01:50:55,960 --> 01:50:57,831
<i>has been a lie.</i>

2254
01:50:57,861 --> 01:51:00,331
<i>You just don't see it
happening to you.</i>

2255
01:51:00,361 --> 01:51:03,331
<i>You justify so much.</i>

2256
01:51:03,371 --> 01:51:07,200
Cults, they prey on people,
suggesting that, you know,

2257
01:51:07,220 --> 01:51:09,140
you should be able
to think for yourself

2258
01:51:09,170 --> 01:51:12,920
and then tell you exactly
how you have to think,
or get out.

2259
01:51:12,980 --> 01:51:16,599
And if you get out,
there will be consequences.

2260
01:51:16,649 --> 01:51:18,350
Come on, Marty.
Got anything to say?

2261
01:51:18,380 --> 01:51:20,270
What's your name?
Why don't you answer
his question?

2262
01:51:20,320 --> 01:51:24,020
Beat it. I said get off
my property, boy.

2263
01:51:24,050 --> 01:51:26,940
The real sustained campaign

2264
01:51:26,990 --> 01:51:29,219
began in early 2009

2265
01:51:29,239 --> 01:51:32,939
<i>when I spoke to
the "St. Petersburg times."</i>

2266
01:51:32,999 --> 01:51:36,159
<i>And I'd been hounded
and hunted like wild prey.</i>

2267
01:51:36,199 --> 01:51:39,999
<i>It's a policy of
the office of special affairs</i>

2268
01:51:40,039 --> 01:51:41,919
<i>authored by l. Ron Hubbard.</i>

2269
01:51:41,959 --> 01:51:43,959
<i>When somebody's speaking out
against scientology,</i>

2270
01:51:44,009 --> 01:51:46,569
<i>investigate to find out
who the instigator is.</i>

2271
01:51:46,589 --> 01:51:48,289
I started getting calls
from the church,

2272
01:51:48,349 --> 01:51:52,848
and they're... they're really,
uh, comin' after me.

2273
01:51:52,878 --> 01:51:54,848
They showed up
at my mother's house.

2274
01:51:54,888 --> 01:51:56,768
The feeling in the pit
of your stomach

2275
01:51:56,798 --> 01:51:58,918
knowing that scientology's
chief dirty-tricks pi

2276
01:51:58,938 --> 01:52:01,259
was just
on my mother's front step.

2277
01:52:01,279 --> 01:52:04,028
<i>They've tried to destroy me,
there's no question.</i>

2278
01:52:04,058 --> 01:52:06,308
<i>They create
anonymous websites about me,</i>

2279
01:52:06,358 --> 01:52:08,858
<i>and smear me
with a lot of garbage.</i>

2280
01:52:08,898 --> 01:52:11,278
www.Whoistomdevocht.Com.

2281
01:52:11,318 --> 01:52:13,098
<i>WhoispaulHaggis.Com.</i>

2282
01:52:13,118 --> 01:52:15,487
"Paul Haggis,
the hypocrite of Hollywood."

2283
01:52:15,537 --> 01:52:19,207
"This guy is a sex pervert,"
or "this guy's a drug dealer."

2284
01:52:19,237 --> 01:52:20,958
<i>In the meantime,</i>

2285
01:52:20,988 --> 01:52:24,998
<i>survey carefully
to find out what
he most values and protects.</i>

2286
01:52:25,048 --> 01:52:27,217
<i>Immediately draw up
a three-prong program</i>

2287
01:52:27,247 --> 01:52:29,947
<i>to threaten it effectively.</i>

2288
01:52:29,967 --> 01:52:34,307
I don't value anything
more than Monique.

2289
01:52:34,337 --> 01:52:38,306
<i>That's why this campaign
ended up on our doorstep.</i>

2290
01:52:38,346 --> 01:52:40,146
Was she there?

2291
01:52:40,176 --> 01:52:44,147
<i>I knew they had
their goons around.</i>

2292
01:52:44,177 --> 01:52:49,237
<i>And then the guy
rolls down in window
and I saw the truck.</i>

2293
01:52:49,267 --> 01:52:51,606
And he starts filming, and I go,

2294
01:52:51,636 --> 01:52:53,806
"okay, this is not good."

2295
01:52:53,826 --> 01:52:55,306
What's goin' on?

2296
01:52:55,326 --> 01:52:57,196
Oh, we're just doing
a documentary.

2297
01:52:57,246 --> 01:52:58,446
A documentary?

2298
01:52:58,476 --> 01:53:00,696
Oh, a former scientology deal.

2299
01:53:00,746 --> 01:53:02,865
But it would
probably be a good idea
if y'all went ahead...

2300
01:53:02,915 --> 01:53:04,416
Now that you've gotten
what you need,

2301
01:53:04,446 --> 01:53:05,996
go ahead and leave the area.
Sure.

2302
01:53:06,036 --> 01:53:07,756
Okay?

2303
01:53:07,786 --> 01:53:08,986
<i>I don't know
who these people are.</i>

2304
01:53:09,006 --> 01:53:10,986
<i>I don't know
what they're capable of.</i>

2305
01:53:11,006 --> 01:53:14,325
And now that I have my son...

2306
01:53:14,345 --> 01:53:18,545
<i>I have
a little louisville slugger
i keep next to me.</i>

2307
01:53:18,595 --> 01:53:22,965
<i>It's been a nonstop onslaught,
for five years.</i>

2308
01:53:23,015 --> 01:53:24,466
I told you to leave.
Get out of here.

2309
01:53:24,506 --> 01:53:26,015
Oh no, I'm leaving.

2310
01:53:26,055 --> 01:53:27,475
You can't even
defend yourself
on this can you?

2311
01:53:27,505 --> 01:53:29,005
What's your name?

2312
01:53:29,025 --> 01:53:30,475
I gave you my name, Marty.
What's your name?

2313
01:53:30,525 --> 01:53:32,195
Marty, I gave you my name.

2314
01:53:32,225 --> 01:53:35,315
<i>The people on Marty’s doorstep
were sent by scientology</i>

2315
01:53:35,345 --> 01:53:37,844
<i>because the church
had branded Marty a "squirrel,"</i>

2316
01:53:37,864 --> 01:53:40,364
<i>a term invented by Hubbard
for former members</i>

2317
01:53:40,404 --> 01:53:42,184
<i>who threatened church teachings.</i>

2318
01:53:42,204 --> 01:53:43,854
David Miscavige had you
come all the way from...

2319
01:53:43,874 --> 01:53:45,154
Marty.
San Jose.

2320
01:53:46,495 --> 01:53:47,995
Marty!
Man ♪2: You can't do that.

2321
01:53:48,025 --> 01:53:49,404
You can't do that, Marty!
I just did it.

2322
01:53:49,464 --> 01:53:50,524
No, that's my
personal property, Marty.

2323
01:53:50,544 --> 01:53:52,374
Yeah, that's right.

2324
01:53:52,414 --> 01:53:54,214
I got arrested, man.

2325
01:53:54,244 --> 01:53:57,054
I got arrested for grabbing
this guy's glasses.

2326
01:53:57,084 --> 01:53:58,864
I said, "don't look at her."
You understand that?

2327
01:53:58,884 --> 01:54:00,923
Yeah.
I heard her.

2328
01:54:00,973 --> 01:54:03,423
<i>Of course, the guy had been
stalking Monique for two years.</i>

2329
01:54:03,473 --> 01:54:05,673
<i>He looks like a leering pervert,</i>

2330
01:54:05,713 --> 01:54:08,344
<i>like Norman bates
from "psycho."</i>

2331
01:54:08,384 --> 01:54:11,144
<i>I didn't break his glasses.</i>

2332
01:54:11,184 --> 01:54:14,983
I just removed them
from his... from his face.

2333
01:54:19,073 --> 01:54:22,823
<i>They got it all on videotape
from their surveillance house</i>

2334
01:54:22,863 --> 01:54:25,742
<i>that was filming 24/7, 365,</i>

2335
01:54:25,782 --> 01:54:28,533
<i>for five years,
across the street from us.</i>

2336
01:54:33,933 --> 01:54:36,133
<i>This lawsuit
with Monique rathbun...</i>

2337
01:54:36,173 --> 01:54:38,502
<i>It's a brilliant legal strategy.</i>

2338
01:54:38,542 --> 01:54:40,572
If Marty sues,
the church just says,

2339
01:54:40,592 --> 01:54:41,962
"this is
a first amendment fight.

2340
01:54:42,012 --> 01:54:43,432
"This should not be
in a court of law."

2341
01:54:43,462 --> 01:54:45,012
But Monique
was never in scientology.

2342
01:54:45,052 --> 01:54:49,802
<i>She's suing David Miscavige
and asking to depose him.</i>

2343
01:54:49,852 --> 01:54:53,022
<i>And scientology
will do anything to keep him
out of that situation.</i>

2344
01:54:53,052 --> 01:54:54,772
And the point is, judge,

2345
01:54:54,812 --> 01:54:56,972
if you let me
make my presentation,

2346
01:54:57,022 --> 01:54:58,862
on first amendment law

2347
01:54:58,892 --> 01:55:01,431
that comes from
the United States
supreme court...

2348
01:55:01,451 --> 01:55:03,231
<i>For every court date,</i>

2349
01:55:03,261 --> 01:55:06,061
<i>the church hires a bevy
of high-priced lawyers.</i>

2350
01:55:06,101 --> 01:55:09,071
<i>They are determined
to use every legal trick
in the book</i>

2351
01:55:09,101 --> 01:55:11,322
<i>to keep Miscavige
from having to testify</i>

2352
01:55:11,372 --> 01:55:14,991
<i>about church abuses
or whether the religion
of scientology</i>

2353
01:55:15,041 --> 01:55:17,241
<i>is actually operated
like a business,</i>

2354
01:55:17,281 --> 01:55:21,161
<i>controlled by the whims
of a single individual.</i>

2355
01:55:23,081 --> 01:55:25,970
<i>In 2014, Miscavige celebrated</i>

2356
01:55:26,000 --> 01:55:28,140
<i>the ongoing expansion
of the church,</i>

2357
01:55:28,170 --> 01:55:30,390
<i>but he was hiding
a terrible secret.</i>

2358
01:55:30,420 --> 01:55:31,961
Good evening!

2359
01:55:31,981 --> 01:55:34,011
<i>The church's
active membership
has dropped</i>

2360
01:55:34,061 --> 01:55:35,760
<i>to fewer than 50,000 people,</i>

2361
01:55:35,800 --> 01:55:39,960
<i>yet the financial value
of scientology is soaring.</i>

2362
01:55:39,980 --> 01:55:41,820
How about we just say,

2363
01:55:41,850 --> 01:55:46,860
2013 is the year
we went stratospheric?

2364
01:55:49,809 --> 01:55:51,859
<i>The church is making investments</i>

2365
01:55:51,909 --> 01:55:53,869
<i>and buying
valuable real estate
all over the world.</i>

2366
01:55:53,910 --> 01:55:57,830
<i>That financial clout
gives scientology
enormous power.</i>

2367
01:55:57,870 --> 01:56:00,149
<i>It's a kind of
tax-free shell company</i>

2368
01:56:00,169 --> 01:56:05,039
<i>growing past $3 billion
in assets.</i>

2369
01:56:12,168 --> 01:56:15,499
The church now
no longer has a public face.

2370
01:56:15,519 --> 01:56:17,799
<i>There's no spokespeople,</i>

2371
01:56:17,839 --> 01:56:19,969
<i>they don't do media interviews,</i>

2372
01:56:20,009 --> 01:56:22,719
<i>and that suits Miscavige.</i>

2373
01:56:22,778 --> 01:56:24,978
There is nobody
that he is willing

2374
01:56:25,008 --> 01:56:27,848
to have be
the face of scientology
other than himself,

2375
01:56:27,858 --> 01:56:31,368
but he's afraid to
be interviewed by anybody

2376
01:56:31,398 --> 01:56:34,068
for fear that they're
gonna ask him questions

2377
01:56:34,118 --> 01:56:36,488
that he can't answer,
or doesn't want to answer.

2378
01:56:38,358 --> 01:56:40,908
<i>Where are the checks
and balances on his power?</i>

2379
01:56:40,958 --> 01:56:42,238
<i>There is none.</i>

2380
01:56:42,298 --> 01:56:44,028
So there are two things
that could happen.

2381
01:56:44,048 --> 01:56:48,077
One is, the IRS
would reconsider
its tax exemption.

2382
01:56:48,137 --> 01:56:52,417
<i>The only other thing
is that some of these
celebrity megaphones</i>

2383
01:56:52,467 --> 01:56:54,667
<i>could turn against the church.</i>

2384
01:56:54,707 --> 01:56:58,008
<i>And tom cruise
should be leading
that chorus.</i>

2385
01:57:01,977 --> 01:57:04,977
<i>Is there anything
that you look back on,</i>

2386
01:57:05,017 --> 01:57:07,387
<i>in terms of your own career
in the church,</i>

2387
01:57:07,397 --> 01:57:10,216
<i>and think, "wow,
i wish I hadn't done that?"</i>

2388
01:57:10,236 --> 01:57:13,406
You know, we talked
about karma earlier.

2389
01:57:13,436 --> 01:57:18,027
And, you know,
it still happens that
it's like it's just this...

2390
01:57:18,057 --> 01:57:22,066
I constantly get presented
with who I was,

2391
01:57:22,086 --> 01:57:24,786
and, you know,
and I constantly
don't like what I see,

2392
01:57:24,836 --> 01:57:27,366
and I sort of constantly
keep dying deaths.

2393
01:57:27,406 --> 01:57:29,286
Um, and...

2394
01:57:31,236 --> 01:57:33,406
I don't know how many
more deaths I have left,

2395
01:57:33,426 --> 01:57:36,245
but I... but I...

2396
01:57:36,265 --> 01:57:39,176
But I regret

2397
01:57:39,216 --> 01:57:42,596
and I'm ashamed of, uh...

2398
01:57:44,016 --> 01:57:46,885
The entire experience, you know?

2399
01:57:46,925 --> 01:57:49,105
What I take away from it
is that we...

2400
01:57:49,145 --> 01:57:52,055
We lock up a portion
of our own mind.

2401
01:57:52,095 --> 01:57:56,365
We... we willingly
put cuffs on.

2402
01:57:56,395 --> 01:57:59,945
We willingly avoid things

2403
01:57:59,985 --> 01:58:02,955
that will...
Could cause us pain,

2404
01:58:02,985 --> 01:58:05,735
if we just...
If we looked.

2405
01:58:05,795 --> 01:58:08,155
If we can just
believe something,

2406
01:58:08,215 --> 01:58:10,794
then we don't have to really
think for ourselves, do we?

2407
01:58:10,824 --> 01:58:14,284
And so I can't
damn these people
who aren't coming out,

2408
01:58:14,294 --> 01:58:18,464
or who are hiding
once they come out
because they're ashamed.

2409
01:58:18,504 --> 01:58:20,474
You know, I...

2410
01:58:20,504 --> 01:58:23,424
I... I feel the same shame.

2411
01:58:23,454 --> 01:58:26,844
And I just...
I'm fighting back

2412
01:58:26,894 --> 01:58:31,264
by communicating, you know?
It's a peaceful protest.

2413
01:58:31,294 --> 01:58:35,183
I want the truth to be known,

2414
01:58:35,233 --> 01:58:37,183
and...

2415
01:58:39,023 --> 01:58:40,443
Thank you.

2416
01:58:40,473 --> 01:58:42,174
You're welcome.

2417
01:58:43,305 --> 01:58:49,860
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