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...we threw these people
out the window Red...

474
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...and now they've walked
back in the front door Green.

475
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I'll tell you what the environmental
movement is in this country.

476
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It is the modern home...

477
00:32:16,514 --> 00:32:21,508
...of the socialist-slash-communist
movement in America.

478
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This bill is Green on the outside
and inside it's deep communist Red.

479
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<i>The further down the road somebody</i>
<i>gets in terms of their commitment...</i>

480
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...behaviorally and ideologically
with a social group, a tribe--

481
00:32:56,221 --> 00:32:58,985
"Our tribe doubts climate change.
That's what we do."

482
00:32:59,124 --> 00:33:02,184
Whether you care or not,
your tribe believes a bunch...

483
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:06,091
...of other things that you also believe,
so you buy the package.

484
00:33:08,933 --> 00:33:12,528
I am Michael Shermer,
director of The Skeptic Society.

485
00:33:12,704 --> 00:33:15,298
We investigate the paranormal,
pseudoscience...

486
00:33:15,507 --> 00:33:18,032
...and cults and claims
of all kinds between.

487
00:33:18,209 --> 00:33:20,268
<i>Some people call us debunkers...</i>

488
00:33:20,445 --> 00:33:24,745
...but there's a lot of bunk that needs
debunking and that's part of our job.

489
00:33:24,916 --> 00:33:28,079
When I say, "Where's the spacecraft?"
You say, "They hid it."

490
00:33:28,253 --> 00:33:30,278
Your whole case is based
on anecdotes.

491
00:33:30,455 --> 00:33:34,118
You gotta have a piece of the spacecraft,
as I've always said.

492
00:33:34,292 --> 00:33:36,419
Bring back one of those probes.

493
00:33:36,594 --> 00:33:38,425
We did one on Holocaust deniers.

494
00:33:38,596 --> 00:33:41,121
Vaccinations,
"Do Vaccines Cause Autism?"

495
00:33:41,299 --> 00:33:43,665
We've done many issues
on climate change.

496
00:33:43,835 --> 00:33:46,531
<i>I became skeptical</i>
<i>of the environmental movement...</i>

497
00:33:46,671 --> 00:33:49,640
...when a lot of the predictions
they made in the '70s--

498
00:33:49,808 --> 00:33:53,107
When I was in college
and taking classes in these subjects.

499
00:33:53,278 --> 00:33:56,270
--it was clear they weren't coming true.
They exaggerated.

500
00:34:01,286 --> 00:34:04,084
Sometime in the next 15 years,
the end will come.

501
00:34:04,255 --> 00:34:07,918
An utter breakdown of the capacity
of the planet to support humanity.

502
00:34:08,093 --> 00:34:10,789
And when civilization collapses
on this earth...

503
00:34:10,962 --> 00:34:15,422
...as it will within this decade,
it's going to hit the U.S. first.

504
00:34:17,068 --> 00:34:20,868
<i>Rain forests would disappear</i>
<i>and we'd run out of oil, and all that.</i>

505
00:34:21,072 --> 00:34:23,131
<i>Overpopulation will destroy the Earth.</i>

506
00:34:23,308 --> 00:34:26,141
<i>And billions of people</i>
<i>would be starving to death...</i>

507
00:34:26,311 --> 00:34:28,779
<i>...because we don't have food</i>
<i>to feed them.</i>

508
00:34:31,649 --> 00:34:34,482
None of that happened,
It didn't even remotely happen.

509
00:34:41,092 --> 00:34:43,583
<i>By the late '90s,</i>
<i>the global warming thing...</i>

510
00:34:43,728 --> 00:34:46,094
<i>...it became kind of</i>
<i>a secular apocalypse...</i>

511
00:34:46,231 --> 00:34:50,292
<i>...sort of a millenarianism for liberals.</i>

512
00:34:50,468 --> 00:34:53,164
It's not just a prediction,
it was like, "Oh, boy.

513
00:34:53,338 --> 00:34:57,035
Disaster is coming, and we,
the chosen ones, well, we were right.

514
00:34:57,208 --> 00:35:00,541
We'll come out the other side
and say, 'See, we were right."'

515
00:35:00,712 --> 00:35:03,806
So I was a climate skeptic
for several decades, actually.

516
00:35:03,982 --> 00:35:05,506
<i>But data trumps politics.</i>

517
00:35:05,683 --> 00:35:08,652
<i>In the end,</i>
<i>you have to follow the data.</i>

518
00:35:09,888 --> 00:35:13,483
<i>I read, you know, all the leading books</i>
<i>and scientific papers.</i>

519
00:35:13,658 --> 00:35:17,651
<i>I'm trained enough to realize</i>
<i>what the data actually show.</i>

520
00:35:18,530 --> 00:35:21,727
<i>I thought,</i>
<i>"Oh, my God, this stuff is real."</i>

521
00:35:21,900 --> 00:35:23,925
<i>Take all the politics out...</i>

522
00:35:24,135 --> 00:35:26,126
...the Earth is getting warmer...

523
00:35:26,271 --> 00:35:28,671
...and we're the cause,
no question about it.

524
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:32,401
So this isn't the greatest hoax
ever sold to the American people?

525
00:35:32,577 --> 00:35:35,740
No, climate change is not
the greatest hoax ever sold to us.

526
00:35:35,914 --> 00:35:39,509
But people on the right,
they really think it is, even Libertarians.

527
00:35:39,684 --> 00:35:44,087
<i>I go to this Libertarian conference every</i>
<i>summer, Freedom Fest in Las Vegas.</i>

528
00:35:50,228 --> 00:35:52,696
The Cato Institute
is a Libertarian think tank.

529
00:35:52,864 --> 00:35:55,697
We're dedicated to free markets
and individual liberty.

530
00:35:55,867 --> 00:35:58,165
Freedom from government,
limited government.

531
00:35:58,303 --> 00:36:01,363
The Heartland Institute believes
warming is not man-made.

532
00:36:01,539 --> 00:36:05,532
This is our event today. James Taylor
is with The Heartland Institute.

533
00:36:05,710 --> 00:36:07,109
-Okay.
-Who is he debating?

534
00:36:07,278 --> 00:36:09,746
He is debating Mr. Shermer...

535
00:36:09,914 --> 00:36:12,940
...who is--
He writes for <i>Skeptic Magazine</i>...

536
00:36:13,117 --> 00:36:16,553
...but James Taylor
is doing the skeptic side today.

537
00:36:16,721 --> 00:36:20,248
We'll see what happens at the debate.
Yeah, we'll go to that.

538
00:36:20,425 --> 00:36:25,453
They think of me as some liberal crazy,
conspiracy-- Putting together this con--

539
00:36:25,630 --> 00:36:27,689
This made-up story
about climate change.

540
00:36:27,832 --> 00:36:31,461
I'm like, "I used to be on your side.
All I did was look at the data."

541
00:36:33,137 --> 00:36:36,072
<i>I've been Libertarian</i>
<i>my whole adult life.</i>

542
00:36:36,241 --> 00:36:39,768
Since I read <i>Atlas Shrugged</i> in college,
like everybody else here.

543
00:36:39,944 --> 00:36:42,435
I prefer to read
<i>The Wall Street Journal...</i>

544
00:36:42,614 --> 00:36:44,104
...and ignore <i>The NY Times...</i>

545
00:36:44,282 --> 00:36:47,479
...because <i>The Journal</i> tells me
what I like to know is true.

546
00:36:47,652 --> 00:36:50,849
So what flipped me
was just sort of looking at the data...

547
00:36:51,022 --> 00:36:54,014
...and all the new data
that had come in the early 2000s.

548
00:36:54,225 --> 00:36:57,592
Ninety-nine percent
of the world's glaciers are retreating.

549
00:36:57,762 --> 00:37:01,630
<i>Why don't people change their minds</i>
<i>when new data comes in about climate?</i>

550
00:37:01,799 --> 00:37:03,767
Because it isn't about the data.

551
00:37:03,935 --> 00:37:06,836
It's about me being
a consistent tribal member...

552
00:37:07,005 --> 00:37:10,771
...and showing to my fellow tribe
members that you can count on me.

553
00:37:10,942 --> 00:37:15,379
The whole global warming debate
is based upon your team...

554
00:37:15,547 --> 00:37:17,139
-...starting out--
-"My team."

555
00:37:17,315 --> 00:37:20,307
Yeah, your team. Starting out
by making the declaration...

556
00:37:20,485 --> 00:37:23,045
...that carbon dioxide
causes temperature change.

557
00:37:23,254 --> 00:37:24,881
First, it's not fifty-fifty.

558
00:37:25,056 --> 00:37:28,753
It's not like half of scientists say this
and the other half say that.

559
00:37:28,893 --> 00:37:31,953
Almost none of them
say what my opponent says.

560
00:37:32,130 --> 00:37:35,566
-That's a lie.
-No, none. I showed you the chart. No.

561
00:37:35,767 --> 00:37:38,395
-Ninety-nine percent of scientists--
-That's a lie!

562
00:37:38,570 --> 00:37:40,902
You can repeat it,
but it won't make it true.

563
00:37:41,072 --> 00:37:43,836
Ninety-nine percent
have said that it's real.

564
00:37:44,008 --> 00:37:46,533
-That is a bold-faced lie.
-No, it is not.

565
00:37:49,814 --> 00:37:52,806
<i>When I go into these debates,</i>
<i>it feels like I'm going...</i>

566
00:37:52,984 --> 00:37:56,317
<i>...into a <i>Twilight Zone</i> episode.

567
00:37:57,989 --> 00:38:00,321
<i>You know, where black is white,</i>
<i>up is down...</i>

568
00:38:00,491 --> 00:38:03,790
<i>...and everything is just the opposite</i>
<i>of what you think it is.</i>

569
00:38:05,663 --> 00:38:10,066
Two parallel worlds
that exist side by side.

570
00:38:12,070 --> 00:38:16,871
And each of us
has a counterpart in this world.

571
00:38:17,041 --> 00:38:19,566
Carbon dioxide increases
have followed--

572
00:38:19,744 --> 00:38:23,874
<i>Whenever I deal with climate deniers,</i>
<i>it's almost like a mirrored reality.</i>

573
00:38:24,682 --> 00:38:27,515
<i>I put up the slide showing</i>
<i>the Earth getting warmer...</i>

574
00:38:27,685 --> 00:38:29,949
...and the other guys put up
the same slide:

575
00:38:30,121 --> 00:38:31,816
"The Earth is getting cooler."

576
00:38:31,956 --> 00:38:34,083
Temperatures now
are not abnormally warm.

577
00:38:34,258 --> 00:38:35,919
They're abnormally cool.

578
00:38:36,761 --> 00:38:40,595
Another dimension?
Another world parallel to ours?

579
00:38:40,765 --> 00:38:42,198
You call that rational?

580
00:38:44,102 --> 00:38:46,070
<i>When you look</i>
<i>at climate scientists...</i>

581
00:38:46,237 --> 00:38:49,035
<i>...we know who they are,</i>
<i>they work in science labs.</i>

582
00:38:50,074 --> 00:38:52,634
<i>On the other side,</i>
<i>people are not scientists.</i>

583
00:38:52,844 --> 00:38:53,970
Global warming....

584
00:38:54,145 --> 00:38:57,205
<i>Or if they are scientists,</i>
<i>they're not climate scientists.</i>

585
00:38:57,382 --> 00:38:59,850
<i>They're a political, ideological group...</i>

586
00:38:59,984 --> 00:39:03,886
...that just mines the data
that somebody else gets...

587
00:39:04,055 --> 00:39:09,127
...and cherry-picks data that fits
what they already want to be true.

588
00:39:09,394 --> 00:39:13,592
<i>An international group of scientific</i>
<i>experts said in no uncertain terms...</i>

589
00:39:13,765 --> 00:39:15,596
...global warming is real...

590
00:39:15,767 --> 00:39:20,261
...and it's almost certainly caused
by what we humans do to this planet.

591
00:39:21,472 --> 00:39:25,169
<i>The IPCC is the Intergovernmental</i>
<i>Panel on Climate Change...</i>

592
00:39:25,376 --> 00:39:29,506
<i>...and it literally consists of thousands</i>
<i>of professional climate scientists...</i>

593
00:39:29,681 --> 00:39:31,808
<i>...from all over the world.</i>

594
00:39:31,983 --> 00:39:34,918
<i>And then we have the NIPCC.</i>

595
00:39:35,086 --> 00:39:39,079
<i>You can say "Not IPCC."</i>
<i>We call it "nip-ick."</i>

596
00:39:39,257 --> 00:39:41,987
<i>We reached the opposite conclusion.</i>

597
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:46,460
I want to-- I want to stress that
we didn't add any new scientific work.

598
00:39:48,032 --> 00:39:50,000
They present themselves
as scientific.

599
00:39:50,168 --> 00:39:53,660
They use graphics to make them
look like the scientific reports...

600
00:39:53,838 --> 00:39:55,601
...they're trying to discredit.

601
00:39:55,773 --> 00:40:00,938
This is a report produced by the National
Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

602
00:40:01,112 --> 00:40:05,481
And here is the mirror of that
produced by the Cato Institute.

603
00:40:10,822 --> 00:40:15,020
<i>They've adopted the exact</i>
<i>same page layout and design.</i>

604
00:40:19,063 --> 00:40:23,966
<i>If you're a congressman, how do you tell</i>
<i>the difference between this and this one?</i>

605
00:40:24,802 --> 00:40:27,635
And that's the point of this deception.

606
00:40:28,740 --> 00:40:30,731
This is kind of an extended summary.

607
00:40:30,942 --> 00:40:33,035
-It's called a synthesis report.
-Yeah.

608
00:40:33,211 --> 00:40:37,671
The actual IPCC report
is about so thick.

609
00:40:37,849 --> 00:40:40,875
And how thick is your NIPCC report?

610
00:40:41,052 --> 00:40:42,952
Same.

611
00:40:43,087 --> 00:40:45,385
-It's same.
-You're as thick as they are?

612
00:40:45,556 --> 00:40:48,753
We strictly use the same thickness.

613
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:51,326
So it's 97 percent of them
and one of you.

614
00:40:51,963 --> 00:40:55,262
There's hundreds of us,
hundreds, thousands of us.

615
00:40:55,466 --> 00:40:59,197
Look, 31,000 scientists
and engineers...

616
00:40:59,370 --> 00:41:02,897
...signed a statement to the contrary
to what you just read.

617
00:41:03,074 --> 00:41:05,167
-The Oregon Petition?
-Yes.

618
00:41:06,711 --> 00:41:10,044
<i>The Oregon Petition claims</i>
<i>to be signed by climate scientists...</i>

619
00:41:10,214 --> 00:41:13,980
<i>...who disagree with the mainstream</i>
<i>view of the scientific community.</i>

620
00:41:14,118 --> 00:41:17,281
If you actually look at it,
what you find is in many cases...

621
00:41:17,488 --> 00:41:19,251
...they aren't scientists at all.

622
00:41:21,259 --> 00:41:23,784
<i>Somebody put on there</i>
<i>the Spice Girls.</i>

623
00:41:25,396 --> 00:41:27,796
<i>Somebody else put on there</i>
<i>Michael J. Fox.</i>

624
00:41:29,300 --> 00:41:31,427
<i>Even Charles Darwin made the list.</i>

625
00:41:32,804 --> 00:41:35,364
And in fact the claim
was so obviously false...

626
00:41:35,540 --> 00:41:38,373
...the National Academy
took the unprecedented step...

627
00:41:38,543 --> 00:41:42,104
...of publicly disavowing this petition.

628
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,805
More than 31,000 scientists
signed a petition....

629
00:41:45,016 --> 00:41:47,382
<i>And yet, it gets cited</i>
<i>and it gets repeated.</i>

630
00:41:47,552 --> 00:41:49,747
More than 31,000 scientists....

631
00:41:49,921 --> 00:41:54,824
More than 31,000 American scientists
rejecting global warming alarmism.

632
00:41:55,893 --> 00:41:59,954
<i>They give the impression that it's a very</i>
<i>big network with lots of scientists.</i>

633
00:42:00,131 --> 00:42:01,792
But if you look closely...

634
00:42:01,966 --> 00:42:05,732
...you see it's a small number of people,
really just a handful.

635
00:42:06,838 --> 00:42:08,271
Hey, Fred.

636
00:42:08,439 --> 00:42:11,670
<i>It's kind of an amazing accomplishment</i>
<i>when you think of it...</i>

637
00:42:11,843 --> 00:42:16,405
<i>...that such a small group of people have</i>
<i>an enormous impact on public opinion.</i>

638
00:42:16,581 --> 00:42:20,915
<i>So that more than half the American</i>
<i>people think that the science isn't settled.</i>

639
00:42:27,458 --> 00:42:30,256
Reach out and touch another one.
This one here? Okay.

640
00:42:30,428 --> 00:42:33,329
Jason's card. Take a look at that.
Try and remember it.

641
00:42:33,497 --> 00:42:37,160
Don't tell me what it is.
I just want you to tell me when you see it.

642
00:42:37,335 --> 00:42:42,432
<i>As a magician I work hard to prevent my</i>
<i>audience from seeing through the trick.</i>

643
00:42:42,607 --> 00:42:45,576
A lot of people think
the hand is quicker than the eye.

644
00:42:45,710 --> 00:42:50,773
It's not really true. It's just the eye sees
a lot of things the mind never notices.

645
00:42:50,948 --> 00:42:52,472
Having trouble, I can tell.

646
00:42:52,650 --> 00:42:55,619
What card are you looking for,
maybe I can help. What?

647
00:42:55,786 --> 00:42:58,687
The four of--? Really?
Was it really the four of hearts?

648
00:42:58,856 --> 00:43:02,348
-It's under my cocktail. Show it to them.
-No, it's not.

649
00:43:02,526 --> 00:43:04,494
Yeah.

650
00:43:05,963 --> 00:43:07,225
Yeah.

651
00:43:07,398 --> 00:43:12,802
And now maybe if you watch it enough
times with the benefit of a recording...

652
00:43:12,970 --> 00:43:15,461
<i>...maybe you figure out the trick.</i>

653
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:19,701
I don't want you to tell me what it is,
I want you to tell me when you see it.

654
00:43:19,877 --> 00:43:24,143
But if you actually see the method,
once you see that, you won't un-see it.

655
00:43:24,315 --> 00:43:28,752
Then you can see me
put it there time and time again.

656
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:32,378
Once revealed, never concealed.

657
00:43:37,361 --> 00:43:40,330
<i>It sort of comes back</i>
<i>to that idea of a playbook, right?</i>

658
00:43:40,498 --> 00:43:42,659
<i>What shape is it gonna take next?</i>

659
00:43:42,833 --> 00:43:45,324
But look at this, see? See, there's this.

660
00:43:45,503 --> 00:43:49,997
<i>As science started catching up</i>
<i>to the flame-retardant chemical makers...</i>

661
00:43:50,174 --> 00:43:52,165
...their tactics got even bolder.

662
00:43:52,343 --> 00:43:54,641
Senate Bill 1-4-7.

663
00:43:54,779 --> 00:43:59,148
<i>In 2011, a bill was up</i>
<i>that would have changed the rule...</i>

664
00:43:59,283 --> 00:44:03,242
<i>...so companies didn't have to add</i>
<i>pounds of flame retardants to furniture.</i>

665
00:44:03,421 --> 00:44:05,582
Firefighters get cancer
at alarming rates.

666
00:44:05,756 --> 00:44:10,216
<i>There were firefighters</i>
<i>arguing that the rule didn't work.</i>

667
00:44:10,394 --> 00:44:14,888
<i>There were breast-feeding mothers</i>
<i>arguing they don't want it in babies' milk.</i>

668
00:44:15,066 --> 00:44:18,968
<i>Public health officials saying this isn't</i>
<i>good for us. I wanted to see...</i>

669
00:44:19,170 --> 00:44:20,865
...what does the other side say?

670
00:44:21,038 --> 00:44:23,097
Hi, I'm Dr. David Heimbach.

671
00:44:23,274 --> 00:44:25,765
<i>The real star-witness</i>
<i>was the burn surgeon.</i>

672
00:44:25,943 --> 00:44:28,969
And I've actually gotten
a Compassion Award...

673
00:44:29,180 --> 00:44:30,977
...from the Dalai Lama last year.

674
00:44:31,182 --> 00:44:35,676
He told this sad and dramatic story.

675
00:44:35,820 --> 00:44:38,482
A 7-week-old baby was in a crib...

676
00:44:38,689 --> 00:44:41,988
...laying on a fire-retardant mattress...

677
00:44:42,193 --> 00:44:45,287
...on a non-fire retardant pillow.

678
00:44:45,463 --> 00:44:48,762
Mom put a candle in the crib...

679
00:44:48,933 --> 00:44:53,393
...candle fell over,
the baby sustained a 50-percent burn.

680
00:44:53,571 --> 00:44:55,903
The entire upper half
of her body was burned.

681
00:44:56,073 --> 00:45:01,238
Now, this is a tiny, little person, no bigger
than my Italian greyhound at home.

682
00:45:01,412 --> 00:45:03,437
She ultimately died...

683
00:45:03,614 --> 00:45:07,414
...after about three weeks
of pain and misery in the hospital.

684
00:45:07,585 --> 00:45:11,021
I literally heard a gasp
when he told the story about this baby.

685
00:45:11,222 --> 00:45:13,087
He had the room in his hand.

686
00:45:13,257 --> 00:45:14,246
-Price?
-No.

687
00:45:14,425 --> 00:45:15,653
Price, no. Emerson?

688
00:45:15,826 --> 00:45:21,230
<i>When David Heimbach finished</i>
<i>speaking, you knew the bill would fail.</i>

689
00:45:22,466 --> 00:45:23,000
Okay, can I tuck you in?

690
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:24,228
Okay, can I tuck you in?

691
00:45:24,368 --> 00:45:29,328
<i>I remember flying back to Chicago and</i>
<i>seeing my boys sleeping in their cribs...</i>

692
00:45:29,507 --> 00:45:32,874
<i>...and I'm thinking,</i>
<i>"Why would any mother...</i>

693
00:45:33,044 --> 00:45:37,037
<i>...put a candle in her baby's crib?"</i>

694
00:45:39,750 --> 00:45:42,685
<i>I got back to the newsroom,</i>
<i>what I talked to Sam about:</i>

695
00:45:42,853 --> 00:45:44,844
<i>"So, what have they argued</i>
<i>in the past?</i>

696
00:45:45,022 --> 00:45:48,514
<i>When have these bills come up before?</i>
<i>Did Dr. Heimbach show up?"</i>

697
00:45:48,692 --> 00:45:49,818
Last month I won a...

698
00:45:51,362 --> 00:45:55,059
...Unsung Heroes of Compassion
Award from the Dalai Lama.

699
00:45:55,266 --> 00:45:57,461
<i>Sure enough,</i>
<i>Heimbach had testified...</i>

700
00:45:57,635 --> 00:46:00,468
...and he told different stories
about babies...

701
00:46:00,638 --> 00:46:02,765
...who burned to death in candle fires.

702
00:46:02,907 --> 00:46:05,467
Tell you about a child
I took care of in April...

703
00:46:05,643 --> 00:46:09,272
...about a 9-week-old baby,
about the size of a teddy bear....

704
00:46:09,413 --> 00:46:11,881
<i>And that's when Sam and I</i>
<i>sat down, we're like:</i>

705
00:46:12,049 --> 00:46:15,018
"We got three babies
who died in candle fires...

706
00:46:15,186 --> 00:46:18,917
...all treated at Dr. Heimbach's hospital.
We gotta find those babies."

707
00:46:22,693 --> 00:46:24,991
<i>So I called</i>
<i>the medical examiner's office.</i>

708
00:46:25,162 --> 00:46:29,929
Asked them to run a computer program of
18 years of deaths of babies or toddlers...

709
00:46:30,101 --> 00:46:33,662
<i>...where Dr. Heimbach</i>
<i>had his hospital and practice.</i>

710
00:46:34,371 --> 00:46:37,204
<i>There was not any death of any child...</i>

711
00:46:37,374 --> 00:46:40,707
<i>...that matched</i>
<i>Dr. Heimbach's description.</i>

712
00:46:41,612 --> 00:46:44,877
I thought the best thing to do
was just to call him at home.

713
00:46:46,183 --> 00:46:51,712
<i>I said, "Those kids you talked about,</i>
<i>did they all die in your hospital?"</i>

714
00:46:51,889 --> 00:46:56,189
And he said,
"It wasn't factual, it was anecdotal."

715
00:46:56,360 --> 00:47:00,524
And he said, "Listen, the details
don't matter. The principle matters."

716
00:47:00,698 --> 00:47:03,599
I go, "What's the principle?"
He says, "The principle...

717
00:47:03,767 --> 00:47:07,533
...is flame retardants work." I said,
"That's not what you testified."

718
00:47:07,905 --> 00:47:10,703
And he said,
"Well, I wasn't under oath."

719
00:47:10,875 --> 00:47:14,709
Were either one of you paid for your
time here in opposition to the bill?

720
00:47:14,879 --> 00:47:16,039
Citizens for Fire Safety.

721
00:47:16,213 --> 00:47:17,237
Okay, thank you.

722
00:47:17,414 --> 00:47:20,906
Citizens for Fire Safety
are paying for my trip here, yes.

723
00:47:21,085 --> 00:47:26,489
<i>Records showed that they paid</i>
<i>Dr. Heimbach $2 40,000.</i>

724
00:47:26,657 --> 00:47:29,888
So who is
Citizens for Fire Safety, right?

725
00:47:30,060 --> 00:47:33,052
<i>What they were claiming was,</i>
<i>they were a broad coalition.</i>

726
00:47:33,564 --> 00:47:37,933
<i>Their website had this picture</i>
<i>of five smiling kids holding...</i>

727
00:47:38,102 --> 00:47:41,230
<i>...a hand-drawn banner</i>
<i>with the words "Fire Safety" on it...</i>

728
00:47:41,405 --> 00:47:43,464
<i>...and there was a heart dotting the I.</i>

729
00:47:43,641 --> 00:47:47,475
<i>Turns out, that in California, that if</i>
<i>you have fewer than 50 members...</i>

730
00:47:47,645 --> 00:47:53,140
...in your trade group, you have
to disclose who your members are.

731
00:47:55,252 --> 00:47:59,086
<i>Who were the members? The members</i>
<i>were the three largest makers...</i>

732
00:47:59,256 --> 00:48:02,748
<i>...of flame retardants in the world.</i>
<i>All that was in that group.</i>

733
00:48:02,927 --> 00:48:05,452
So there was no question...

734
00:48:05,629 --> 00:48:08,189
...Citizens for Fire Safety
was a front group.

735
00:48:09,533 --> 00:48:14,129
<i>The story came out,</i>
<i>and Citizens for Fire Safety folded.</i>

736
00:48:14,305 --> 00:48:17,399
<i>And the law changed.</i>
<i>So now companies can make furniture...</i>

737
00:48:17,541 --> 00:48:19,270
<i>...without flame retardants.</i>

738
00:48:19,443 --> 00:48:23,209
<i>But that took two years</i>
<i>of investigating.</i>

739
00:48:24,782 --> 00:48:29,412
<i>Citizens for Fire Safety was pretending</i>
<i>to be looking out for consumers...</i>

740
00:48:29,553 --> 00:48:33,353
<i>...when in reality it was looking out</i>
<i>for the interests of its funders.</i>

741
00:48:34,692 --> 00:48:37,684
<i>How many other groups are out there</i>
<i>doing the same thing?</i>

742
00:49:01,485 --> 00:49:04,477
<i>In the 1980s, after I had testified,</i>
<i>I decided to...</i>

743
00:49:06,323 --> 00:49:08,985
...bail out of the public aspect
of this problem...

744
00:49:09,159 --> 00:49:12,356
...because I was very uncomfortable
in that role.

745
00:49:13,364 --> 00:49:16,458
<i>And I thought,</i>
<i>as the story becomes clearer...</i>

746
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:19,694
<i>...we will then take the actions</i>
<i>that are needed.</i>

747
00:49:19,870 --> 00:49:25,069
By the year 2000, it had become so clear
that we were not doing anything.

748
00:49:28,712 --> 00:49:32,478
<i>The science has become so clear.</i>

749
00:49:33,384 --> 00:49:37,514
<i>The things that we predicted</i>
<i>are actually happening...</i>

750
00:49:37,688 --> 00:49:41,556
<i>...and some of them are even</i>
<i>happening faster than we thought.</i>

751
00:49:41,725 --> 00:49:44,057
<i>The ice cap has shrunk 23 percent.</i>

752
00:49:44,228 --> 00:49:46,628
<i>The ice is already 50 percent smaller.</i>

753
00:49:46,797 --> 00:49:50,733
-<i>Every state in the U.S. set a heat record.</i>
-<i>Driest year in half a century.</i>

754
00:49:50,901 --> 00:49:52,698
<i>Massive Arizona wildfire....</i>

755
00:49:52,870 --> 00:49:56,237
<i>This storm may be the strongest</i>
<i>tropical cyclone on Earth...</i>

756
00:49:56,407 --> 00:49:58,637
-<i>...to make landfall.</i>
-<i>A category five...</i>

757
00:49:58,809 --> 00:50:02,905
<i>...and that is only because</i>
<i>there are no categories above five.</i>

758
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:06,572
<i>We know as much about</i>
<i>how the climate works...</i>

759
00:50:06,750 --> 00:50:10,083
<i>...as doctors know about</i>
<i>how your body works.</i>

760
00:50:12,656 --> 00:50:17,923
<i>The scientific method is, you have to</i>
<i>continually reassess your conclusions.</i>

761
00:50:18,095 --> 00:50:22,327
<i>As soon as there's new data, you ask,</i>
<i>"How does that affect my interpretation?"</i>

762
00:50:22,533 --> 00:50:24,967
<i>And you're open-minded.</i>

763
00:50:25,135 --> 00:50:28,901
What we're up against is people
who have a preferred answer...

764
00:50:29,073 --> 00:50:32,531
...and so then they take
the position of a lawyer.

765
00:50:32,676 --> 00:50:36,407
They're going to defend their client,
and they will only present you...

766
00:50:36,580 --> 00:50:39,310
...with the data that favors their client.

767
00:50:41,151 --> 00:50:44,245
<i>As the scientific community</i>
<i>coalesces around believing...</i>

768
00:50:44,421 --> 00:50:48,653
...climate change is underway, it's at that
moment that we see the think tanks...

769
00:50:48,826 --> 00:50:53,058
...moving into the media environment
and trying to argue the opposite.

770
00:51:02,573 --> 00:51:05,838
<i>In the missile age, it is vital</i>
<i>to try to picture in advance...</i>

771
00:51:06,009 --> 00:51:07,499
<i>...how crises might develop.</i>

772
00:51:08,846 --> 00:51:11,144
<i>So the idea behind a think tank</i>
<i>is to think.</i>

773
00:51:11,315 --> 00:51:14,443
<i>One early example of a think tank</i>
<i>is the RAND Corporation...</i>

774
00:51:14,618 --> 00:51:16,643
<i>...which was set up to give advice...</i>

775
00:51:16,820 --> 00:51:20,119
<i>...about how to solve problems</i>
<i>that the military faced.</i>

776
00:51:20,290 --> 00:51:24,124
I find it difficult to see how we could
say it was an air-dropped weapon.

777
00:51:24,294 --> 00:51:27,627
<i>What is of use is if you have</i>
<i>an independent group who can...</i>

778
00:51:27,798 --> 00:51:30,130
<i>...look at data,</i>
<i>work through the issue of...</i>

779
00:51:30,300 --> 00:51:32,894
<i>...what would solutions</i>
<i>to that problem look like.</i>

780
00:51:33,103 --> 00:51:35,901
Is there a capability of tracking them?
I don't know.

781
00:51:36,473 --> 00:51:39,909
<i>It devolves into something</i>
<i>that's highly partisan...</i>

782
00:51:40,110 --> 00:51:43,671
<i>...and has made up its mind</i>
<i>in advance what the answer is.</i>

783
00:51:49,119 --> 00:51:53,681
<i>So what we begin to see is think tanks</i>
<i>taking up climate change as an issue...</i>

784
00:51:53,857 --> 00:51:58,692
<i>...but not from the point of view of science</i>
<i>but from the point of view of the politics.</i>

785
00:51:59,897 --> 00:52:04,891
<i>And one of the first groups to do that</i>
<i>is the George C. Marshall Institute.</i>

786
00:52:14,778 --> 00:52:16,905
<i>I work on motorcycles.</i>

787
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:19,844
<i>Either the bike starts and runs right,</i>
<i>or it doesn't.</i>

788
00:52:20,017 --> 00:52:23,384
And if it doesn't, there's no weaseling
your way out of the fact.

789
00:52:26,290 --> 00:52:29,748
And I like that about it.
You might say the BS quotient is low.

790
00:52:30,694 --> 00:52:35,256
Unless you're working on Harleys, in
which case it can actually be pretty high.

791
00:52:42,739 --> 00:52:46,869
<i>I got myself</i>
<i>into a PhD program at Chicago.</i>

792
00:52:47,044 --> 00:52:50,673
<i>So when I finished, I got a phone call</i>
<i>from a former teacher...</i>

793
00:52:50,814 --> 00:52:52,975
<i>...who informed me about this job...</i>

794
00:52:53,183 --> 00:52:55,743
...at the Marshall Institute.

795
00:52:56,453 --> 00:53:00,082
And, you know, the salary was huge.

796
00:53:01,492 --> 00:53:05,223
<i>At Marshall Institute, coming into it</i>
<i>knowing that they were sort of...</i>

797
00:53:05,395 --> 00:53:08,387
<i>...on the skeptical side</i>
<i>of the global warming stuff...</i>

798
00:53:08,565 --> 00:53:12,433
...you know, I was more or less
down with that.

799
00:53:12,603 --> 00:53:15,902
At the same time that I started,
there was a new president.

800
00:53:16,573 --> 00:53:18,939
<i>O'Keefe was a different kind</i>
<i>of animal.</i>

801
00:53:19,109 --> 00:53:22,943
<i>He had come</i>
<i>from sort of the business world...</i>

802
00:53:23,113 --> 00:53:25,081
<i>...so he had a different mentality.</i>

803
00:53:25,249 --> 00:53:27,615
He liked to mention
that he knew Karl Rove.

804
00:53:27,784 --> 00:53:31,982
So in other words, he's plugged-in
and he's an operator.

805
00:53:32,155 --> 00:53:38,094
It's an incredibly complex subject,
and it's really about politics...

806
00:53:38,262 --> 00:53:40,526
...and political control...

807
00:53:40,731 --> 00:53:46,226
...and control of economic means
of production.

808
00:53:46,370 --> 00:53:48,861
Climate is just a mechanism.

809
00:53:49,873 --> 00:53:52,000
I'm pleased to be part
of your program...

810
00:53:52,175 --> 00:53:55,542
...and you're in the offices
of the George C. Marshall Institute.

811
00:53:57,014 --> 00:53:58,811
A small science-policy think tank.

812
00:53:58,982 --> 00:54:01,143
Is Marshall actually doing science?

813
00:54:01,318 --> 00:54:03,183
No, we're not doing science.

814
00:54:03,987 --> 00:54:08,287
<i>What I try to do is make sure</i>
<i>our work reaches decision makers...</i>

815
00:54:08,458 --> 00:54:10,289
<i>...reaches people in the media...</i>

816
00:54:10,460 --> 00:54:14,328
...so that we are part of shaping
the public policy debate.

817
00:54:16,033 --> 00:54:20,697
<i>I think a lot of people who get into that</i>
<i>think tank world start out as intellectuals...</i>

818
00:54:20,871 --> 00:54:23,635
<i>...but, you know,</i>
<i>in the mixing pot of Washington...</i>

819
00:54:23,807 --> 00:54:26,469
<i>...arguments become weapons.</i>

820
00:54:26,643 --> 00:54:30,135
Part of this was gathering arguments
that were already out there...

821
00:54:30,314 --> 00:54:32,976
...they weren't always compatible
with one another.

822
00:54:33,150 --> 00:54:36,313
Sometimes the argument was that,
"The Earth is not warming."

823
00:54:36,486 --> 00:54:41,014
We don't see a warming
of the atmosphere in the last 50 years.

824
00:54:41,191 --> 00:54:45,093
<i>At another time the argument would be,</i>
<i>"Well, yes, the Earth is warming...</i>

825
00:54:45,295 --> 00:54:47,991
<i>...but it's not due to human activities."</i>

826
00:54:48,165 --> 00:54:51,999
The fact that glaciers are melting
does not mean that the cause is human.

827
00:54:52,169 --> 00:54:54,194
It only means that it's getting warmer.

828
00:54:54,371 --> 00:54:57,534
<i>At another time the argument would be,</i>
<i>"Yes, it is warming...</i>

829
00:54:57,708 --> 00:55:02,168
<i>...and it's due to human activities, but</i>
<i>the cost of doing something about it...</i>

830
00:55:02,346 --> 00:55:04,610
<i>...would be ruinous for society."</i>

831
00:55:04,815 --> 00:55:07,545
Of course there is a human influence
on climate.

832
00:55:07,718 --> 00:55:09,709
We've known it for a decade or more.

833
00:55:09,886 --> 00:55:12,719
If they go ahead
and regulate CO2 as a pollutant...

834
00:55:12,889 --> 00:55:16,552
...it will basically stop economic growth
in the United States.

835
00:55:16,727 --> 00:55:19,821
And this is what many
of the enviros want.

836
00:55:24,368 --> 00:55:27,269
<i>The occasion for me finally quitting...</i>

837
00:55:27,437 --> 00:55:30,201
<i>...was that I got a call</i>
<i>from somebody...</i>

838
00:55:30,374 --> 00:55:36,438
<i>...who was updating</i>
<i>a directory of lobbyists...</i>

839
00:55:38,882 --> 00:55:42,579
<i>...and they wanted to know</i>
<i>if Bill O'Keefe...</i>

840
00:55:42,753 --> 00:55:46,450
...was indeed the president
of the George C. Marshall Institute.

841
00:55:46,623 --> 00:55:50,582
I said, "Yeah, but why are you asking?

842
00:55:50,761 --> 00:55:54,390
Why--? Is he part of this directory?"
And they said, "Yes."

843
00:55:55,666 --> 00:56:01,298
<i>I confronted O'Keefe and said,</i>
<i>"Are you a registered lobbyist?"</i>

844
00:56:01,471 --> 00:56:03,666
<i>And he got extremely angry.</i>

845
00:56:03,874 --> 00:56:08,868
<i>I tried to get him to tell me, if he was,</i>
<i>who his clients were. He wouldn't tell me.</i>

846
00:56:10,580 --> 00:56:12,275
<i>And when you went to Marshall...</i>

847
00:56:12,449 --> 00:56:17,386
...were you still connected in any way
to the petroleum business?

848
00:56:18,588 --> 00:56:22,490
I think I had--
Yes, I had an oil company as a client.

849
00:56:22,659 --> 00:56:27,392
So were you a lobbyist
when you went to work for Marshall?

850
00:56:27,531 --> 00:56:30,432
I was still registered as a lobbyist.

851
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:34,195
That seemed
utterly preposterous to me...

852
00:56:34,404 --> 00:56:36,304
...that you would have...

853
00:56:36,473 --> 00:56:41,342
...as the president of a think tank
a guy who's a registered lobbyist.

854
00:56:41,511 --> 00:56:45,971
It's just the whole pretense of the place
goes out the window at that point.

855
00:56:46,450 --> 00:56:49,180
<i>And so we had sort of a blowup</i>
<i>and I quit.</i>

856
00:56:51,421 --> 00:56:56,449
<i>So for me, at least, there's more</i>
<i>real thinking going on in a bike shop...</i>

857
00:56:56,626 --> 00:56:59,060
<i>...than there was in the think tank.</i>

858
00:57:00,030 --> 00:57:03,363
If you were hired by
a Greenpeace organization to figure out...

859
00:57:03,533 --> 00:57:07,867
...how to present climate as a problem,
what would you--?

860
00:57:08,038 --> 00:57:11,940
-What would you suggest to them?
-They couldn't afford me.

861
00:57:14,211 --> 00:57:17,544
At the same time
O'Keefe is a lobbyist for ExxonMobil....

862
00:57:18,982 --> 00:57:22,884
When I was at Greenpeace, we looked
into who was funding these think tanks.

863
00:57:24,755 --> 00:57:27,053
And you started to find ExxonMobil...

864
00:57:27,224 --> 00:57:29,259
<i>...and the Koch brothers</i>
<i>and the Southern Company.</i>

865
00:57:29,259 --> 00:57:30,521
<i>...and the Koch brothers</i>
<i>and the Southern Company.</i>

866
00:57:30,694 --> 00:57:35,324
ExxonMobil has been a major funder
of climate change disinformation.

867
00:57:36,666 --> 00:57:39,032
<i>They funded</i>
<i>over 30 different organizations...</i>

868
00:57:39,202 --> 00:57:40,999
<i>...that promoted disinformation...</i>

869
00:57:41,171 --> 00:57:44,038
<i>...or misleading information</i>
<i>about climate change.</i>

870
00:57:44,975 --> 00:57:47,068
<i>Nobody's gonna believe ExxonMobil.</i>

871
00:57:47,244 --> 00:57:51,613
But if they can say it through somebody
else who seems independent...

872
00:57:51,782 --> 00:57:53,682
...there's power in that for them.

873
00:57:53,850 --> 00:57:57,081
<i>Myron Ebell is Director of Energy</i>
<i>and Global Warming Policy...</i>

874
00:57:57,254 --> 00:57:59,279
<i>...for Competitive Enterprise</i>
<i>Institute.</i>

875
00:57:59,489 --> 00:58:02,549
<i>Senior fellow and science director</i>
<i>of Heartland Institute.</i>

876
00:58:02,726 --> 00:58:06,628
-<i>The idea that cooling....</i>
-<i>It creates a new cast of characters.</i>

877
00:58:06,797 --> 00:58:10,893
<i>These people who become well-known</i>
<i>for casting doubt on global warming.</i>

878
00:58:11,067 --> 00:58:14,628
-<i>Dr. Marlo Lewis, a senior fellow....</i>
-<i>What these institutes do...</i>

879
00:58:14,805 --> 00:58:18,536
...is they promote their own "experts"
as contrary experts...

880
00:58:18,708 --> 00:58:22,610
...who give you the "other side"
of the issue, and journalists fall for it.

881
00:58:22,779 --> 00:58:26,647
-Fall for it lock, stock, and barrel.
-<i>Let's talk to a couple of experts.</i>

882
00:58:26,817 --> 00:58:29,217
-<i>Joining us....</i>
-<i>Scientists will be invited...</i>

883
00:58:29,386 --> 00:58:32,446
<i>...to explain the science</i>
<i>and then against the scientist...</i>

884
00:58:32,622 --> 00:58:36,422
<i>...they will have a so-called expert</i>
<i>from a think tank.</i>

885
00:58:36,593 --> 00:58:39,562
And so the public is presented
with dueling experts.

886
00:58:39,729 --> 00:58:43,460
<i>Steven Zebiak is General Director</i>
<i>of International Research Institute...</i>

887
00:58:43,633 --> 00:58:45,658
<i>...and Climate and Society at Columbia.</i>

888
00:58:45,836 --> 00:58:49,033
<i>James Taylor is a senior fellow</i>
<i>at the Heartland Institute.</i>

889
00:58:49,172 --> 00:58:51,834
<i>If you actually ask</i>
<i>what are their credentials...</i>

890
00:58:52,042 --> 00:58:54,636
...the answer's often very little,
sometimes none.

891
00:58:54,811 --> 00:58:59,839
In college, I majored in government.
I also took atmospheric science courses.

892
00:59:02,185 --> 00:59:04,983
That makes me well-positioned
to bring together...

893
00:59:05,155 --> 00:59:10,058
...all the aspects of this debate because
it's scientific, it's economic, it's political.

894
00:59:12,462 --> 00:59:17,559
<i>There are think tanks that do nothing</i>
<i>but crank out op-ed pieces every day.</i>

895
00:59:18,101 --> 00:59:21,935
<i>If you start tracking them, you'll see</i>
<i>it's the same handful of people...</i>

896
00:59:22,105 --> 00:59:25,074
<i>...that just keep pumping out</i>
<i>this material.</i>

897
00:59:25,842 --> 00:59:29,869
<i>Some of these so-called experts,</i>
<i>they become go-to people.</i>

898
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:33,641
<i>A handful of them turn out</i>
<i>to be very, very good at it.</i>

899
00:59:36,453 --> 00:59:39,980
The global warming alarm spread
by Al Gore and the United Nations...

900
00:59:40,156 --> 00:59:42,147
...is in utter scientific collapse.

901
00:59:42,325 --> 00:59:45,488
We've gone 18 years without global
warming according to data.

902
00:59:45,662 --> 00:59:49,655
Akin to medieval witchcraft where we
blame witches for controlling weather.

903
00:59:49,966 --> 00:59:53,800
<i>You were described as the godfather</i>
<i>of climate change denying.</i>

904
00:59:53,970 --> 00:59:57,098
-<i>The mastermind of the whole</i>-- <i>Yes.</i>
-<i>Yeah. Yeah.</i>

905
00:59:57,240 --> 01:00:00,141
What do you call yourself?
Are you...?

906
01:00:02,646 --> 01:00:04,876
What do I call myself?

907
01:00:07,217 --> 01:00:10,243
I guess I'm an environmental journalist
on some level.

908
01:00:10,420 --> 01:00:14,117
After the Greens out there finish puking
after hearing me say that...

909
01:00:14,257 --> 01:00:16,623
...I will say, that's how I started.

910
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:18,751
And will, to the best of my ability--

911
01:00:20,163 --> 01:00:23,155
<i>I was a volunteer for Ronald Reagan</i>
<i>in 1980, at age 12.</i>

912
01:00:23,333 --> 01:00:24,732
When you were growing up...

913
01:00:24,901 --> 01:00:27,836
-...you were a door-to-door salesman?
-Yeah.

914
01:00:30,140 --> 01:00:32,665
<i>I learned so much</i>
<i>from door-to-door sales.</i>

915
01:00:32,842 --> 01:00:35,333
<i>I did gutter cleaning.</i>

916
01:00:35,512 --> 01:00:38,379
<i>You learn then</i>
<i>what communication tactics worked...</i>

917
01:00:38,548 --> 01:00:40,345
<i>...and what didn't.</i>

918
01:00:40,517 --> 01:00:43,645
How did you meet Rush Limbaugh?

919
01:00:43,787 --> 01:00:47,018
Rush Limbaugh I met in 1991.

920
01:00:47,190 --> 01:00:48,452
Our man in Washington...

921
01:00:48,658 --> 01:00:52,059
...an ever more and more
popular part of this show.

922
01:00:52,228 --> 01:00:53,889
<i>There he is sneaking in.</i>

923
01:00:54,064 --> 01:00:57,591
I used to hang out at the men's room
at these events...

924
01:00:57,767 --> 01:01:01,168
<i>...so I'd guarantee</i>
<i>I'd get just about every big name.</i>

925
01:01:01,304 --> 01:01:03,795
As the night went on,
they'd be drinking more...

926
01:01:03,974 --> 01:01:06,408
...so you'd always get
much better interviews.

927
01:01:06,576 --> 01:01:07,941
Women should deny sex...

928
01:01:09,312 --> 01:01:11,940
...until we clean up this planet.
Not all women.

929
01:01:12,115 --> 01:01:15,084
You decided to go to work
for Senator James Inhofe.

930
01:01:15,251 --> 01:01:18,482
-Wow, you're jumping. Okay.
-Your energy--

931
01:01:18,688 --> 01:01:22,556
I thought this was Marc Morano, my life.
No. Oh, okay.

932
01:01:24,294 --> 01:01:28,993
-Catastrophic global warming is a hoax.
-<i>I got a call from Inhofe's office...</i>

933
01:01:29,199 --> 01:01:32,794
...to be the new communications
director. It was the lowest point...

934
01:01:32,969 --> 01:01:37,303
...when I started, in June 2008,
for global warming skeptics.

935
01:01:47,017 --> 01:01:50,282
<i>If you look at the 10 hottest years</i>
<i>ever measured...</i>

936
01:01:50,453 --> 01:01:53,013
<i>...they've all occurred</i>
<i>in the last 14 years...</i>

937
01:01:53,223 --> 01:01:56,158
<i>...and the hottest of all was 2005.</i>

938
01:01:57,827 --> 01:02:00,125
Al Gore's film--
I'd just watched the movie.

939
01:02:00,296 --> 01:02:03,231
I watched it the week
before I started the job.

940
01:02:04,834 --> 01:02:08,361
<i>It was poised to win awards.</i>
<i>Later, he won the Nobel Prize for it.</i>

941
01:02:08,538 --> 01:02:11,166
So we decided for Inhofe
to go on the offensive.

942
01:02:11,341 --> 01:02:13,741
NASA scientist
and alarmist James Hansen--

943
01:02:13,877 --> 01:02:17,836
He's NASA's vocal man-made-
global-warming-fear soothsayer--

944
01:02:18,014 --> 01:02:20,847
He'd say almost anything
you asked him to say.

945
01:02:21,017 --> 01:02:24,680
On some levels, it was not so much
directly talking about science...

946
01:02:24,854 --> 01:02:27,755
...but it was going after
the scientists themselves?

947
01:02:27,891 --> 01:02:30,951
I mean, that was a change
that you brought to Inhofe.

948
01:02:31,127 --> 01:02:33,288
Yes, in fact we went after...

949
01:02:33,463 --> 01:02:36,057
...James Hansen
and Michael Oppenheimer...

950
01:02:36,266 --> 01:02:38,200
...and had a lot of fun with it.

951
01:02:39,636 --> 01:02:41,570
<i>We mocked and ridiculed Hansen.</i>

952
01:02:41,771 --> 01:02:44,399
<i>I couldn't believe they let me do this.</i>

953
01:02:47,544 --> 01:02:50,877
<i>I did a two-part, 10,000-word,</i>
<i>scathing critique on Hansen.</i>

954
01:02:52,549 --> 01:02:57,179
I'm not gonna question his scientific work,
but in terms of his influencing the public.

955
01:02:57,353 --> 01:03:00,789
And actually his scientific work
isn't really in question...

956
01:03:00,924 --> 01:03:04,223
...it's more of his public claims
and publicity and interviews.

957
01:03:04,394 --> 01:03:08,592
<i>I still felt restrained,</i>
<i>so I started doing what I call...</i>

958
01:03:08,798 --> 01:03:10,698
<i>... "the underground newsletters"...</i>

959
01:03:10,867 --> 01:03:14,098
...which went much further
than anything else, had more fun...

960
01:03:14,304 --> 01:03:17,034
...more humor, wit, sarcasm,
and sometimes nastiness.

961
01:03:17,207 --> 01:03:19,937
That went out and became
the basis for Climate Depot.

962
01:03:23,546 --> 01:03:25,878
<i>This is the new media's new world.</i>

963
01:03:26,049 --> 01:03:30,008
<i>This is an office where you rent it</i>
<i>as you need it, but we all know...</i>

964
01:03:30,186 --> 01:03:33,587
<i>...most of the work happens</i>
<i>on the road or in your home office.</i>

965
01:03:33,756 --> 01:03:37,248
They find no evidence
of a human fingerprint in that drought.

966
01:03:38,328 --> 01:03:41,320
<i>A lot of it's done in a taxicab</i>
<i>heading to, you know...</i>

967
01:03:41,464 --> 01:03:45,093
<i>...Fox News or CNN studio,</i>
<i>or even on the runway in an airplane.</i>

968
01:03:45,268 --> 01:03:48,032
James Hansen,
I call him NASA's resident ex-con...

969
01:03:48,204 --> 01:03:52,140
...is inspiring these people
to potential acts of eco-terrorism.

970
01:03:54,077 --> 01:03:56,409
Communication is about sales.
Keep it simple.

971
01:03:56,579 --> 01:04:00,208
People will fill in the blank with their own,
I hate to say biases...

972
01:04:00,383 --> 01:04:02,214
...but with their own perspective.

973
01:04:02,385 --> 01:04:05,786
<i>A global environmental organization</i>
<i>that'll police the world.</i>

974
01:04:07,123 --> 01:04:09,921
<i>Think of the</i>-- <i>Our own EPA,</i>
<i>that speaks French.</i>

975
01:04:10,093 --> 01:04:13,426
I'm not a scientist, although I do
play one on TV occasionally.

976
01:04:13,596 --> 01:04:15,587
Okay, hell, more than occasionally.

977
01:04:15,765 --> 01:04:18,734
Joining me, Bill Nye the Science Guy
and Marc Morano.

978
01:04:18,902 --> 01:04:22,394
<i>You go up against a scientist,</i>
<i>most of them...</i>

979
01:04:22,572 --> 01:04:26,736
...are gonna be in their own little,
policy-wonk world or area of expertise.

980
01:04:26,910 --> 01:04:31,973
So you look in the ice
and you find bubbles of trapped gas--

981
01:04:32,148 --> 01:04:35,879
Very arcane, very hard to understand,
hard to explain...

982
01:04:36,019 --> 01:04:38,180
...and very boring.

983
01:04:38,388 --> 01:04:41,118
Bottom line, new study
in <i>Nature,</i> peer-reviewed...

984
01:04:41,291 --> 01:04:43,885
...no change in U.S. drought
in the last 80 years.

985
01:04:44,027 --> 01:04:45,995
Bottom line,
a new study out shows--

986
01:04:46,162 --> 01:04:49,928
You can't be afraid of the absolute
hand-to-hand combat, metaphorically.

987
01:04:50,099 --> 01:04:53,000
You've gotta name names,
you gotta go after individuals.

988
01:04:53,169 --> 01:04:57,003
You can't just go after a system.
I think that's what I enjoy the most...

989
01:04:57,173 --> 01:05:00,802
...is going after the individuals,
where something lives or dies.

990
01:05:04,013 --> 01:05:08,416
<i>As a scientist, you're trained to defend</i>
<i>the science that you do.</i>

991
01:05:08,551 --> 01:05:10,781
<i>What you don't expect</i>
<i>is to have people...</i>

992
01:05:10,954 --> 01:05:13,821
...threaten you with all kinds
of dire consequences...

993
01:05:13,990 --> 01:05:18,017
...for continuing to do the research
that you do.

994
01:05:19,229 --> 01:05:25,168
<i>I was contacted by the IPCC</i>
<i>to act as convening lead author...</i>

995
01:05:25,335 --> 01:05:30,739
<i>...for one chapter</i>
<i>of the second assessment report.</i>

996
01:05:30,940 --> 01:05:35,240
<i>That final sentence,</i>
<i>"The balance of evidence suggests...</i>

997
01:05:35,445 --> 01:05:38,243
<i>...a discernible human influence</i>
<i>on global climate"...</i>

998
01:05:38,448 --> 01:05:42,179
<i>...was finalized</i>
<i>at the end of November, 1995.</i>

999
01:05:42,352 --> 01:05:47,380
I had no idea that my life
would be so dramatically changed...

1000
01:05:47,557 --> 01:05:48,956
...by that one sentence.

1001
01:05:49,726 --> 01:05:52,456
These are a few e-mails...

1002
01:05:52,595 --> 01:05:56,087
...from a large number of e-mails
that I received.

1003
01:05:56,266 --> 01:06:00,760
"Yeah, you-- You arrogant,
fucking piece-of-crap con man.

1004
01:06:00,970 --> 01:06:03,530
I hope you are hung
by your pathetic, little neck.

1005
01:06:03,706 --> 01:06:06,834
I'd love nothing more than
to beat you with a large stick...

1006
01:06:07,010 --> 01:06:09,706
...you shit-eating Yank. Go die."

1007
01:06:09,879 --> 01:06:14,714
It's possible I posted Santer's e-mail
in the early days of Climate Depot.

1008
01:06:14,884 --> 01:06:17,375
He's far from the only one
I've done that to.

1009
01:06:17,553 --> 01:06:21,512
"You're an effing terrorist,
you and your colleagues...

1010
01:06:21,691 --> 01:06:25,024
...ought to be fed to the pigs,
along with your whole families."

1011
01:06:26,396 --> 01:06:30,560
"How come no one has beat
the living piss out of you yet?

1012
01:06:30,733 --> 01:06:35,193
I was hoping I would see the news
and you committed suicide."

1013
01:06:35,371 --> 01:06:38,932
"You stupid bitch. I would like
to see you convicted and beheaded.

1014
01:06:40,810 --> 01:06:44,610
If you have a child, then women
in the future will be even more leery...

1015
01:06:44,781 --> 01:06:49,013
...of lying to get ahead when they see
your baby crying next to the guillotine."

1016
01:06:49,152 --> 01:06:52,212
Sometimes it's one a week.
When your e-mail address...

1017
01:06:52,388 --> 01:06:57,655
...gets posted online at Morano's website,
it's 200 or more in a day.

1018
01:06:57,827 --> 01:07:02,025
Well, I think the most disturbing e-mails
and letters were ones that...

1019
01:07:02,165 --> 01:07:04,224
...suggest there will be harm to you...

1020
01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:06,834
...direct physical harm to you
and your family.

1021
01:07:07,036 --> 01:07:09,061
I don't know what his complaint is--

1022
01:07:09,238 --> 01:07:13,072
-I'll give you the philosophy behind it.
-Yeah, that's more important.

1023
01:07:13,242 --> 01:07:15,676
Is he ready?
This is one of my favorite topics.

1024
01:07:15,845 --> 01:07:20,339
In fact, I got on <i>ABC Nightly News</i>
just because I posted e-mails.

1025
01:07:20,550 --> 01:07:21,847
I did a whole segment.

1026
01:07:22,051 --> 01:07:24,849
The public is appropriately angry
at these scientists.

1027
01:07:25,054 --> 01:07:28,854
No one's advocating violence,
but it is refreshing to see...

1028
01:07:29,058 --> 01:07:31,549
...these scientists hear from the public.

1029
01:07:31,694 --> 01:07:35,323
I think people should be thanking me.
I was doing a service.

1030
01:07:35,498 --> 01:07:39,332
People go, "Oh, your death threats."
I get death threats. I enjoy them.

1031
01:07:39,502 --> 01:07:42,869
It was one of the healthiest things
that could have happened...

1032
01:07:43,072 --> 01:07:44,369
...in the climate debate.

1033
01:07:44,574 --> 01:07:47,844
I make no apologies.
I still do it. I enjoy doing it.

1034
01:07:51,314 --> 01:07:54,772
Every time we see the world
beginning to act on the science...

1035
01:07:54,951 --> 01:07:57,852
...we see some kind of attack
designed to undermine it.

1036
01:07:59,288 --> 01:08:03,884
<i>1995, the IPCC comes out with its</i>
<i>second assessment report that says...</i>

1037
01:08:04,093 --> 01:08:06,527
<i>...yes, there's climate change.</i>
<i>What do we get?</i>

1038
01:08:06,696 --> 01:08:11,133
<i>Massive attack on Ben Santer,</i>
<i>who's the lead author of the key chapter.</i>

1039
01:08:11,300 --> 01:08:14,963
<i>In the second case, before the run-up</i>
<i>to the Kyoto negotiations...</i>

1040
01:08:15,138 --> 01:08:18,198
<i>...when it looked like the world</i>
<i>was going to agree...</i>

1041
01:08:18,374 --> 01:08:19,966
<i>...we had the Oregon Petition.</i>

1042
01:08:21,511 --> 01:08:23,843
<i>It's a completely discredited document...</i>

1043
01:08:24,013 --> 01:08:26,982
<i>...nevertheless, it did a lot of damage.</i>

1044
01:08:28,117 --> 01:08:31,484
<i>Third time, Copenhagen.</i>
<i>Finally, we're gonna get an agreement.</i>

1045
01:08:31,654 --> 01:08:34,350
<i>The U.S. is on board.</i>
<i>Obama has gone to Copenhagen.</i>

1046
01:08:34,524 --> 01:08:36,492
<i>What do we get? Climategate.</i>

1047
01:08:36,659 --> 01:08:39,423
A new scandal
that's burning up the Net these days...

1048
01:08:39,629 --> 01:08:42,826
...that began with e-mails
that were stolen--

1049
01:08:42,999 --> 01:08:46,264
<i>Suddenly, we see this release</i>
<i>of stolen e-mails.</i>

1050
01:08:46,436 --> 01:08:49,269
<i>Lines taken out of context</i>
<i>to make it seem as if...</i>

1051
01:08:49,439 --> 01:08:52,431
<i>...scientists were involved</i>
<i>in nefarious activities.</i>

1052
01:08:52,642 --> 01:08:55,577
People started saying,
"What's going on in Copenhagen?"

1053
01:08:55,745 --> 01:08:58,737
This is the upper echelon
of the U.N. It's been exposed...

1054
01:08:58,915 --> 01:09:02,544
...as the best science that politics
and activists can manufacture.

1055
01:09:02,718 --> 01:09:06,051
My initial reaction with the Climategate,
I thought, "Okay...

1056
01:09:06,222 --> 01:09:09,214
...gosh, I hope I didn't flip
at the wrong point there.

1057
01:09:09,392 --> 01:09:11,257
Maybe this is all baloney."

1058
01:09:11,427 --> 01:09:14,726
<i>When you actually read the e-mails</i>
<i>in context, you go, "Okay...</i>

1059
01:09:14,897 --> 01:09:18,697
<i>...he's not actually saying what</i>
<i>Rush Limbaugh said he was saying."</i>

1060
01:09:18,868 --> 01:09:22,463
There's been three investigations
into Climategate, where they had...

1061
01:09:22,672 --> 01:09:26,267
...independent committees go through
every e-mail. There was nothing.

1062
01:09:26,442 --> 01:09:29,411
<i>They were trying</i>
<i>to find yet new ways to weaken...</i>

1063
01:09:29,579 --> 01:09:32,377
<i>...this growing international accord.</i>

1064
01:09:32,548 --> 01:09:35,881
All they have to do is slow down action.

1065
01:09:36,953 --> 01:09:40,116
Gridlock is the greatest friend
a global warming skeptic has.

1066
01:09:40,289 --> 01:09:43,986
That's all you really want.
There's no legislation we're championing.

1067
01:09:44,193 --> 01:09:46,957
We're the negative force,
just trying to stop stuff.

1068
01:09:47,129 --> 01:09:49,893
It's all about distraction,
it's all about confusion.

1069
01:09:50,066 --> 01:09:53,593
It's about preventing you from looking
where the action really is...

1070
01:09:53,769 --> 01:09:55,259
...which is in the science.

1071
01:10:07,450 --> 01:10:11,716
Misdirection is the use
of the little lie to sell the big lie.

1072
01:10:11,854 --> 01:10:16,120
The big lie and the floating lady,
the classic levitation illusion...

1073
01:10:16,292 --> 01:10:20,353
<i>...is the mechanism that's used</i>
<i>to make the woman rise.</i>

1074
01:10:20,530 --> 01:10:24,330
<i>The little lie is the passing of the hoop.</i>

1075
01:10:24,500 --> 01:10:26,434
<i>The floating raises your skepticism.</i>

1076
01:10:26,602 --> 01:10:28,968
<i>There must be a wire.</i>
<i>There must be threads.</i>

1077
01:10:29,138 --> 01:10:30,628
<i>There must be something.</i>

1078
01:10:30,806 --> 01:10:37,177
<i>And then the hoop is used</i>
<i>to specifically undo that. Cancel that.</i>

1079
01:10:37,346 --> 01:10:40,440
So, really, misdirection is about focus.

1080
01:10:40,616 --> 01:10:43,642
It's not so much about directing away
or misdirecting...

1081
01:10:43,819 --> 01:10:45,150
...it's about direction.

1082
01:10:45,321 --> 01:10:49,382
It's about bringing your attention
to something that engages you.

1083
01:10:49,559 --> 01:10:53,362
And then, you don't see
anything else in the frame.

1084
01:11:06,342 --> 01:11:10,836
<i>The tobacco companies knew</i>
<i>they have to appeal to something more...</i>

1085
01:11:11,013 --> 01:11:13,709
...basic than this intellectual pursuit
of science.

1086
01:11:13,883 --> 01:11:15,908
How do you do it?
Do it with freedom.

1087
01:11:16,085 --> 01:11:19,020
<i>That's the way freedom dies.</i>
<i>Today it's smoking.</i>

1088
01:11:19,188 --> 01:11:21,315
<i>But what will they try to regulate next?</i>

1089
01:11:21,490 --> 01:11:25,187
<i>What will they try to regulate next?</i>
<i>What we can say? What we can read?</i>

1090
01:11:25,361 --> 01:11:29,024
<i>I don't want Big Brother breathing</i>
<i>down my neck telling me what to do.</i>

1091
01:11:29,198 --> 01:11:31,359
<i>Not just for smokers</i>
<i>but for nonsmokers...</i>

1092
01:11:31,534 --> 01:11:34,298
<i>...and all others</i>
<i>who want to live their lives...</i>

1093
01:11:34,437 --> 01:11:37,838
<i>...making their own decisions,</i>
<i>not having them made for them...</i>

1094
01:11:38,007 --> 01:11:41,670
<i>...by the benevolent bureaucracy</i>
<i>of Washington wisdom or these other</i>--

1095
01:11:41,844 --> 01:11:44,608
<i>By turning it into an abstract issue</i>
<i>of freedom...</i>

1096
01:11:44,814 --> 01:11:47,681
<i>...and moving it away</i>
<i>from their corporate interests...</i>

1097
01:11:47,850 --> 01:11:52,116
<i>...they can get people behind it.</i>
<i>Who can possibly be against freedom?</i>

1098
01:11:52,321 --> 01:11:54,812
What happened was,
these other companies...

1099
01:11:54,957 --> 01:11:59,053
...and other industries realized, like:
"Hey, this is a pretty good idea."

1100
01:12:04,433 --> 01:12:08,597
<i>Everywhere you turn, somebody</i>
<i>is telling us what we can't eat.</i>

1101
01:12:08,771 --> 01:12:12,935
<i>Do you ever feel like you're</i>
<i>always being told what not to do?</i>

1102
01:12:13,109 --> 01:12:15,270
<i>These people tell us where to work...</i>

1103
01:12:15,444 --> 01:12:18,277
...how many children to have,
how much energy to use...

1104
01:12:18,447 --> 01:12:20,074
...how much water we can--

1105
01:12:20,249 --> 01:12:23,082
On global warming,
you see the same thing happening.

1106
01:12:23,252 --> 01:12:28,485
For literally decades, David Koch
has been just a tireless defender...

1107
01:12:28,658 --> 01:12:31,092
...of our economic
and individual freedoms.

1108
01:12:31,260 --> 01:12:33,421
I'd like to introduce
to you David Koch...

1109
01:12:33,596 --> 01:12:36,224
...our chairman
at the Americans for Prosperity.

1110
01:12:41,103 --> 01:12:46,939
<i>Koch Industries is heavily invested</i>
<i>in coal, oil, tar sands.</i>

1111
01:12:47,109 --> 01:12:50,101
<i>They are some of the biggest polluters</i>
<i>in the country...</i>

1112
01:12:50,279 --> 01:12:52,179
...received the largest fines.

1113
01:12:53,883 --> 01:12:57,410
<i>They needed an army of people</i>
<i>to fight against regulation...</i>

1114
01:12:57,586 --> 01:13:00,384
<i>...in the name of freedom.</i>

1115
01:13:00,790 --> 01:13:05,022
Good afternoon,
fellow freedom fighters!

1116
01:13:05,461 --> 01:13:09,522
<i>The group, Americans for Prosperity,</i>
<i>is holding a nationwide...</i>

1117
01:13:09,699 --> 01:13:11,462
...<i>hot-air balloon tour.</i>

1118
01:13:11,634 --> 01:13:14,694
<i>They're spreading a message</i>
<i>of global warming alarmism...</i>

1119
01:13:14,904 --> 01:13:17,805
<i>...lost jobs, higher taxes,</i>
<i>and less freedom.</i>

1120
01:13:17,973 --> 01:13:21,272
Over eight years ago,
we launched Americans for Prosperity...

1121
01:13:23,612 --> 01:13:27,605
...and the goal behind it
was to provide grassroots support...

1122
01:13:27,783 --> 01:13:30,115
...at the local and state level...

1123
01:13:30,286 --> 01:13:32,982
...to push free-market policies.

1124
01:13:34,790 --> 01:13:38,157
<i>And we have just over two million</i>
<i>people who've taken action.</i>

1125
01:13:38,928 --> 01:13:41,021
<i>We now have an army too.</i>

1126
01:13:42,465 --> 01:13:46,333
Do you try to figure out
if the science is real or not?

1127
01:13:46,502 --> 01:13:50,063
-Or you don't even think of that?
-No. We're on the economic side.

1128
01:13:50,239 --> 01:13:51,228
Howdy.

1129
01:13:51,440 --> 01:13:55,376
<i>We study what they'll do to American</i>
<i>people in the name of global warming.</i>

1130
01:13:55,544 --> 01:13:58,513
They won't drill for oil.
Guys, let's get moving here.

1131
01:13:58,681 --> 01:14:02,583
Come on, it's not a really hard--
Not a really hard decision. Let's--

1132
01:14:02,752 --> 01:14:05,744
For a long time it was just,
hey, <i>An Inconvenient Truth...</i>

1133
01:14:05,955 --> 01:14:10,016
...and all these polar bears that seemed
to be drowning and horrible things...

1134
01:14:10,192 --> 01:14:13,184
...that seemed to be happening.
A lot of Americans said:

1135
01:14:13,362 --> 01:14:15,387
"Gosh. That seems like a bad thing."

1136
01:14:15,564 --> 01:14:18,761
But then, through the education efforts
of a lot of groups...

1137
01:14:18,968 --> 01:14:21,334
<i>...like Americans for Prosperity</i>
<i>and others...</i>

1138
01:14:21,504 --> 01:14:24,871
...Americans began going,
"Wait, I'll pay more for everything.

1139
01:14:25,040 --> 01:14:27,008
It means a little bit less freedom."

1140
01:14:27,176 --> 01:14:29,736
<i>I think the American public</i>
<i>has moved our way.</i>

1141
01:14:29,912 --> 01:14:32,039
<i>The polls confirm that.</i>

1142
01:14:32,214 --> 01:14:34,580
<i>We want to make sure</i>
<i>that both parties know...</i>

1143
01:14:34,750 --> 01:14:37,920
<i>...we'll hold them accountable.</i>
<i>Republicans, too, absolutely.</i>

1144
01:14:42,391 --> 01:14:45,383
Should I think of you as a liberal,
a conservative, or...?

1145
01:14:45,561 --> 01:14:48,121
Pretty conservative
is how you should think of me.

1146
01:14:49,632 --> 01:14:52,226
Ninety-three American Conservative
Union Rating...

1147
01:14:52,401 --> 01:14:55,495
...100 percent Christian Coalition,
National Right to Life.

1148
01:14:55,638 --> 01:15:00,405
With your help,
we can reclaim the Congress.

1149
01:15:00,576 --> 01:15:03,306
<i>I represented the 4th District</i>
<i>of South Carolina...</i>

1150
01:15:03,512 --> 01:15:08,108
<i>...which is probably the reddest district</i>
<i>in the reddest state in the nation.</i>

1151
01:15:09,084 --> 01:15:11,917
<i>When I was first in Congress,</i>
<i>I was a complete denier.</i>

1152
01:15:12,087 --> 01:15:15,648
I said, "That's hooey, absolute nonsense.
Al Gore's imagination."

1153
01:15:15,825 --> 01:15:20,524
I just that knew if it was coming from
the other team, it had to be wrong.

1154
01:15:23,599 --> 01:15:25,533
<i>I got on the science committee...</i>

1155
01:15:25,668 --> 01:15:30,731
<i>...and had the opportunity to go</i>
<i>to Antarctica twice, actually.</i>

1156
01:15:31,740 --> 01:15:34,072
<i>I saw the evidence in the ice core.</i>

1157
01:15:34,243 --> 01:15:37,144
<i>You can pull it up</i>
<i>and examine the CO2 levels.</i>

1158
01:15:37,313 --> 01:15:38,974
<i>They were really stable.</i>

1159
01:15:39,148 --> 01:15:42,811
And then coinciding with the
industrial revolution, there's an uptick.

1160
01:15:42,985 --> 01:15:47,979
<i>The chemistry is real clear, that you're</i>
<i>changing the chemistry of the air.</i>

1161
01:15:48,157 --> 01:15:50,557
So I decided,
really right then and there...

1162
01:15:50,693 --> 01:15:53,287
...I'm gonna go back
and I'm gonna do something.

1163
01:15:55,097 --> 01:15:57,622
Madam Speaker,
what I'd like to say tonight...

1164
01:15:57,800 --> 01:16:00,826
...is that there is a need to act--

1165
01:16:01,003 --> 01:16:03,699
And to come together
to find a solution...

1166
01:16:03,873 --> 01:16:07,809
...that breaks our addiction to oil,
that creates new energy jobs...

1167
01:16:07,977 --> 01:16:09,569
...and that cleans up the air.

1168
01:16:09,712 --> 01:16:11,703
That was to my great peril...

1169
01:16:11,881 --> 01:16:15,180
...with the Tea Party coming
and the Great Recession happening.

1170
01:16:19,989 --> 01:16:23,083
<i>Tim Phillips is helping to organize</i>
<i>some protest parties.</i>

1171
01:16:23,225 --> 01:16:25,853
It's a genuine grassroots uprising.

1172
01:16:26,028 --> 01:16:29,395
Groups like Americans For Prosperity,
we're organizing.

1173
01:16:31,667 --> 01:16:35,501
There's a tide of doubt that comes out
of the Great Recession...

1174
01:16:35,671 --> 01:16:38,663
...where we started to doubt
every institution, you know.

1175
01:16:39,174 --> 01:16:41,802
Along comes some people
that see the opportunity.

1176
01:16:41,977 --> 01:16:44,673
Coming up next is
a global warming tax.

1177
01:16:44,847 --> 01:16:47,338
It's a pretty cold night
in April here, right?

1178
01:16:48,484 --> 01:16:51,317
<i>Americans For Prosperity has</i>
<i>been amazingly effective.</i>

1179
01:16:51,487 --> 01:16:56,424
They're able to organize
that discontent.

1180
01:16:56,625 --> 01:16:59,025
In the name of Al Gore-ism.

1181
01:16:59,194 --> 01:17:03,221
And by the way, can we just talk
about Al Gore for a moment?

1182
01:17:05,434 --> 01:17:09,564
If you see Republicans
becoming sympathetic...

1183
01:17:09,738 --> 01:17:15,267
...to carbon tax, do you view it as
your job to knock those guys out?

1184
01:17:15,444 --> 01:17:17,639
Well, we hold both parties accountable.

1185
01:17:17,780 --> 01:17:20,442
We don't always see eye to eye,
do we, Newt?

1186
01:17:20,649 --> 01:17:25,518
No, but we do agree our country must
take action to address climate change.

1187
01:17:25,688 --> 01:17:29,920
The facts of global warming
demand our urgent attention.

1188
01:17:30,092 --> 01:17:31,787
We have had climate change.

1189
01:17:31,961 --> 01:17:34,452
Clearly, humans have something
to do with it.

1190
01:17:34,663 --> 01:17:37,461
<i>I remember in the mid-2000s,</i>
<i>so many Republicans...</i>

1191
01:17:37,666 --> 01:17:42,194
...they had a lot of the same tenets of faith
that Democrats still many have today.

1192
01:17:42,371 --> 01:17:45,169
Well, I think the risks
of climate change are real.

1193
01:17:45,307 --> 01:17:47,707
I think human activity
is contributing to it.

1194
01:17:47,876 --> 01:17:50,674
Those days are over.
Few Republicans play that game.

1195
01:17:50,813 --> 01:17:52,405
A lot of Democrats bailed too.

1196
01:17:52,581 --> 01:17:55,209
You have Newt Gingrich
at the beginning of '08...

1197
01:17:55,384 --> 01:17:57,682
...on the couch with Nancy Pelosi.

1198
01:17:57,820 --> 01:18:00,880
<i>And by the end of 2008....</i>

1199
01:18:01,056 --> 01:18:03,581
Do you believe
in man-made global warming?

1200
01:18:03,759 --> 01:18:05,249
I don't think we know.

1201
01:18:06,962 --> 01:18:12,923
My view is that we don't know what's
causing climate change on this planet.

1202
01:18:13,102 --> 01:18:18,734
George, the idea that carbon dioxide
is harmful to our environment...

1203
01:18:18,907 --> 01:18:20,807
...is almost comical.

1204
01:18:20,976 --> 01:18:23,774
We've run TV ads
in Republican states...

1205
01:18:23,946 --> 01:18:26,471
...with Republican senators,
like South Carolina.

1206
01:18:28,083 --> 01:18:29,744
Sit down!

1207
01:18:42,131 --> 01:18:44,759
What happened in your election?

1208
01:18:45,467 --> 01:18:46,991
Well, it wasn't even close.

1209
01:18:47,169 --> 01:18:50,832
Bob Inglis ran into a buzz saw
of voter frustration with incumbents.

1210
01:18:51,006 --> 01:18:53,474
<i>Inglis lost every county in the district.</i>

1211
01:18:53,642 --> 01:18:57,009
<i>He is a seasoned congressman</i>
<i>going down to a huge defeat tonight.</i>

1212
01:19:09,992 --> 01:19:14,190
Are we--? Is there not cell phone
reception? Where are we?

1213
01:19:16,031 --> 01:19:17,794
Can you hear me now?

1214
01:19:18,767 --> 01:19:23,466
Did Price brief you on the climate views
of this radio show?

1215
01:19:23,639 --> 01:19:24,663
No.

1216
01:19:24,840 --> 01:19:27,274
All right, well,
we better find that out, huh?

1217
01:19:27,409 --> 01:19:30,071
We can turn on the radio,
see what he's saying.

1218
01:19:44,393 --> 01:19:50,923
We're after-- The target audience
is red-state Republicans.

1219
01:19:51,100 --> 01:19:54,831
And so I think we found some...

1220
01:19:55,003 --> 01:19:57,665
-...in Mississippi.
-<i>From SuperTalk Mississippi....</i>

1221
01:19:57,840 --> 01:20:00,900
Eight-o-two. We go on at 8:08.

1222
01:20:01,076 --> 01:20:05,945
<i>Paul Gallo, a shining example</i>
<i>of the Fairness Doctrine as it should be.</i>

1223
01:20:06,115 --> 01:20:09,516
<i>You think polar bears are in trouble?</i>
<i>No, they're not in trouble.</i>

1224
01:20:09,685 --> 01:20:12,916
<i>In some cases, we've got</i>
<i>more polar bears than we've ever had.</i>

1225
01:20:13,088 --> 01:20:16,683
<i>We got polar-bear problems out there</i>
<i>in some cases.</i>

1226
01:20:23,432 --> 01:20:27,266
Former South Carolina GOP
Representative Bob Inglis...

1227
01:20:27,436 --> 01:20:29,768
...is urging conservatives
to stop denying...

1228
01:20:29,938 --> 01:20:32,532
...humans are contributing
to global warming.

1229
01:20:32,708 --> 01:20:35,233
I don't understand.
How do you come up with this?

1230
01:20:35,410 --> 01:20:39,471
Because to me, every fiber in my body
is saying you're a conservative.

1231
01:20:39,648 --> 01:20:41,946
You can't believe this,
that conservatives--

1232
01:20:42,117 --> 01:20:47,214
You're asking me, as a dyed-in-the-wool
native-born Mississippian...

1233
01:20:47,389 --> 01:20:51,155
...will die here and blessed to do so...

1234
01:20:51,360 --> 01:20:54,921
...to believe that humans are responsible
for global warming...

1235
01:20:55,097 --> 01:20:56,792
...and we must admit that.

1236
01:20:56,965 --> 01:20:58,159
Mic's yours, sir.

1237
01:20:58,367 --> 01:21:01,666
The challenge here is
it's a conversation started by liberals.

1238
01:21:01,870 --> 01:21:05,237
What we're used to, as conservatives,
is they gin up hysteria...

1239
01:21:05,407 --> 01:21:08,672
...and then they drive through regulations
and tax increases...

1240
01:21:08,877 --> 01:21:10,071
...and grow government.

1241
01:21:10,245 --> 01:21:16,241
And so it's natural that we respond
with, "No, we don't wanna do that."

1242
01:21:16,952 --> 01:21:20,012
But what if we had
a different conversation?

1243
01:21:20,189 --> 01:21:21,520
It's all about economics.

1244
01:21:21,690 --> 01:21:25,023
You're taxing something
you want more of, which is income...

1245
01:21:25,194 --> 01:21:30,154
...and you're not taxing something
you maybe want less of, which is CO2.

1246
01:21:30,332 --> 01:21:33,665
Why do we need to be talking
about the global-warming tax again?

1247
01:21:33,835 --> 01:21:37,965
Because if you believe in taking care
of this part of Eden that's left...

1248
01:21:38,140 --> 01:21:41,632
-...and if you believe in creation care--
-Now you're confusing me.

1249
01:21:41,810 --> 01:21:45,610
Now you're saying you do believe
that we are, as humans...

1250
01:21:45,781 --> 01:21:47,214
...creating global warming.

1251
01:21:47,416 --> 01:21:50,908
-We are part-and-parcel responsible.
-Yes.

1252
01:21:51,053 --> 01:21:54,284
I don't believe that humans
are creating this, because--

1253
01:21:54,456 --> 01:22:01,157
And neither do, apparently,
a vast majority of climatologists out there.

1254
01:22:01,697 --> 01:22:03,358
-I was tracking--
-That humans--

1255
01:22:03,532 --> 01:22:07,559
I was tracking with you until that last part.
You're wrong on that last part.

1256
01:22:07,736 --> 01:22:09,931
Good luck to you.
It was good meeting you.

1257
01:22:10,072 --> 01:22:12,040
-Good to talk with you.
-Lots to do...

1258
01:22:12,207 --> 01:22:15,074
...in the final two segments
coming up next.

1259
01:22:15,244 --> 01:22:18,236
<i>Okay, lots to do</i>
<i>in the final two segments....</i>

1260
01:22:18,447 --> 01:22:20,540
-We'll put you down as undecided.
-Sorry?

1261
01:22:20,716 --> 01:22:23,844
-We'll put you down as undecided.
-I don't think so.

1262
01:22:26,054 --> 01:22:28,682
Okay, Perez, we are ready to roll.

1263
01:22:28,857 --> 01:22:32,156
<i>And as for climate change,</i>
<i>we're in the middle of it right now.</i>

1264
01:22:32,327 --> 01:22:34,158
<i>It's called winter into spring.</i>

1265
01:22:34,329 --> 01:22:37,355
<i>For him to say that we need</i>
<i>to change the conversation...</i>

1266
01:22:37,532 --> 01:22:40,968
<i>...is to cave in to these liberals</i>
<i>and their way of thinking.</i>

1267
01:22:41,103 --> 01:22:42,900
<i>When they're wrong, they're wrong.</i>

1268
01:22:43,071 --> 01:22:45,335
I can't take this.
Can we get out of here?

1269
01:22:45,507 --> 01:22:49,273
It's so easy to fall back into the:
"The weather always changes."

1270
01:22:49,478 --> 01:22:51,469
Yeah.

1271
01:22:51,613 --> 01:22:54,605
It's a battleship, Bob.
It takes a while to turn around.

1272
01:22:54,783 --> 01:22:56,341
That's right.

1273
01:23:02,491 --> 01:23:08,191
<i>I mean, it's not just a head thing.</i>
<i>This is very much a heart issue.</i>

1274
01:23:09,498 --> 01:23:12,296
<i>It's not the science that's affecting us.</i>

1275
01:23:12,501 --> 01:23:14,867
I mean, the science is pretty clear.

1276
01:23:15,037 --> 01:23:18,734
It's something else
that's causing this rejection.

1277
01:23:21,777 --> 01:23:25,804
<i>Many conservatives, I think,</i>
<i>see action on climate change...</i>

1278
01:23:26,014 --> 01:23:29,381
<i>...as really an attack on a way of life.</i>

1279
01:23:32,621 --> 01:23:36,216
<i>The reason that we need</i>
<i>the science to be wrong...</i>

1280
01:23:36,391 --> 01:23:41,021
<i>...is otherwise,</i>
<i>we realize that we need to change.</i>

1281
01:23:43,298 --> 01:23:45,789
<i>That's really a hard pill to swallow...</i>

1282
01:23:45,967 --> 01:23:49,459
<i>...that the whole way I've created my life</i>
<i>is wrong, you're saying?</i>

1283
01:23:49,638 --> 01:23:52,106
<i>That I shouldn't have this house</i>
<i>in the suburb?</i>

1284
01:23:52,274 --> 01:23:57,576
<i>I shouldn't be driving this car</i>
<i>that I take my kids to soccer?</i>

1285
01:23:58,413 --> 01:24:02,816
<i>And you're not gonna tell me</i>
<i>to live the way that you want me to live.</i>

1286
01:24:04,152 --> 01:24:06,643
And along comes some people
sowing some doubt...

1287
01:24:06,822 --> 01:24:10,451
...and it's pretty effective
because I'm looking for that answer.

1288
01:24:10,625 --> 01:24:13,685
I want it to be
that the science is not real.

1289
01:24:20,702 --> 01:24:22,829
<i>Top U.S. oil company ExxonMobil...</i>

1290
01:24:23,004 --> 01:24:25,472
<i>...and Russia's Rosneft</i>
<i>have signed a deal...</i>

1291
01:24:25,640 --> 01:24:28,666
<i>...to develop oil and gas reserves</i>
<i>in the Russian Arctic.</i>

1292
01:24:32,381 --> 01:24:35,009
<i>One of the reasons</i>
<i>this deal is now possible...</i>

1293
01:24:35,183 --> 01:24:39,586
...is the human-induced global warming
that has rolled the ice back.

1294
01:24:40,288 --> 01:24:45,783
<i>It's warmer in the Arctic</i>
<i>than it's been in at least 40,000 years.</i>

1295
01:24:45,961 --> 01:24:48,521
<i>And yet there's ExxonMobil</i>
<i>looking at that...</i>

1296
01:24:48,697 --> 01:24:51,791
<i>...thinking they can drill more.</i>

1297
01:24:52,701 --> 01:24:57,638
The very thing they paid groups
to tell us wouldn't happen...

1298
01:24:57,806 --> 01:25:00,104
...has now benefited them.

1299
01:25:00,242 --> 01:25:03,109
We could be into the hundreds
of billions of dollars...

1300
01:25:04,846 --> 01:25:08,612
...over the life of developing
all of the potential prospects up there.

1301
01:25:08,750 --> 01:25:11,719
<i>We now know</i>
<i>they were using climate change...</i>

1302
01:25:11,887 --> 01:25:16,517
<i>...as a source of insight</i>
<i>into exploration.</i>

1303
01:25:18,627 --> 01:25:24,429
<i>There's a point at which you realize</i>
<i>you are part of the losing end of a hustle.</i>

1304
01:25:25,133 --> 01:25:26,896
And it can make you feel very sad.

1305
01:25:27,068 --> 01:25:29,832
And I know many environmentalists
who feel very sad.

1306
01:25:30,005 --> 01:25:32,030
Each of you solemnly swear that....

1307
01:25:33,141 --> 01:25:37,544
<i>But at some point,</i>
<i>the public catches up with you.</i>

1308
01:25:37,712 --> 01:25:40,408
<i>The legal system catches up with you.</i>

1309
01:25:40,582 --> 01:25:44,245
An extraordinary punishment for
the country's big cigarette companies.

1310
01:25:44,419 --> 01:25:46,785
A federal judge said they lied...

1311
01:25:46,955 --> 01:25:51,016
...and they have to take out ads
and admit it publicly.

1312
01:25:51,193 --> 01:25:52,956
<i>Specifically, they have to say...</i>

1313
01:25:53,161 --> 01:25:56,062
<i>...they "deliberately deceived</i>
<i>the American public...</i>

1314
01:25:56,231 --> 01:26:01,692
<i>...about the dangers of cigarettes"</i>
<i>and they designed them to be addictive.</i>

1315
01:26:03,438 --> 01:26:05,770
<i>We know the truth</i>
<i>about the harms of tobacco.</i>

1316
01:26:05,941 --> 01:26:09,775
<i>And the tobacco industry has been</i>
<i>prosecuted for its illegal activities.</i>

1317
01:26:09,945 --> 01:26:12,937
So that's the good news, right?
The truth has come out...

1318
01:26:13,114 --> 01:26:16,242
...and people who deserve
to be punished have been punished.

1319
01:26:16,418 --> 01:26:18,409
The bad news is that it took 50 years.

1320
01:26:20,989 --> 01:26:23,253
<i>If we look at the case</i>
<i>of climate change...</i>

1321
01:26:23,425 --> 01:26:25,620
<i>...we can imagine that eventually...</i>

1322
01:26:25,794 --> 01:26:28,820
<i>...people will come to understand</i>
<i>the scientific evidence.</i>

1323
01:26:28,997 --> 01:26:32,330
<i>But the problem is,</i>
<i>we don't have 50 years.</i>

1324
01:26:34,436 --> 01:26:38,736
<i>Climate change is happening,</i>
<i>it's underway, and it's not reversible.</i>

1325
01:26:40,342 --> 01:26:44,210
<i>As sea level rises and hurricanes</i>
<i>become more intense, people get killed.</i>

1326
01:26:44,346 --> 01:26:46,576
<i>Their houses and communities</i>
<i>get destroyed.</i>

1327
01:26:46,748 --> 01:26:51,515
<i>Think about heat waves and droughts</i>
<i>that ruin agricultural communities.</i>

1328
01:26:51,720 --> 01:26:56,714
<i>These are problems that it will require</i>
<i>government intervention to address.</i>

1329
01:26:59,961 --> 01:27:02,521
<i>The great irony of the story to me...</i>

1330
01:27:02,731 --> 01:27:07,031
<i>...is that people who don't like big</i>
<i>government are going to get more of it.</i>

1331
01:27:08,503 --> 01:27:11,529
<i>And we're gonna see</i>
<i>more money being spent...</i>

1332
01:27:11,740 --> 01:27:15,267
<i>...on dealing with the aftermath</i>
<i>of these disasters.</i>

1333
01:27:17,245 --> 01:27:20,976
<i>There will be billions of dollars</i>
<i>in real-estate losses.</i>

1334
01:27:21,149 --> 01:27:25,347
<i>But more than that, people will die.</i>

1335
01:27:26,454 --> 01:27:28,513
That's why it matters.

1336
01:27:28,690 --> 01:27:30,749
That's why this is meaningful for us...

1337
01:27:30,892 --> 01:27:33,827
...not just for polar bears
or people in Bangladesh.

1338
01:27:37,832 --> 01:27:40,767
<i>That's why so many people</i>
<i>in the scientific community...</i>

1339
01:27:40,902 --> 01:27:43,769
...are really starting to talk
in very worried tones.

1340
01:27:43,905 --> 01:27:46,772
There's a growing sense
in the scientific community...

1341
01:27:46,908 --> 01:27:51,046
...that we're running out of time
to prevent a train wreck.

1342
01:27:54,182 --> 01:27:57,777
<i>Our parents did not know</i>
<i>the things they were doing...</i>

1343
01:27:57,919 --> 01:28:01,821
<i>...were going to have</i>
<i>major consequences for young people...</i>

1344
01:28:01,990 --> 01:28:04,390
<i>...and future generations.</i>

1345
01:28:04,559 --> 01:28:08,586
<i>But we cannot say that.</i>
<i>We can only pretend that we don't know.</i>

1346
01:28:10,365 --> 01:28:13,232
<i>If we warm up the planet</i>
<i>a few degrees...</i>

1347
01:28:13,401 --> 01:28:17,030
<i>...we're talking about eventual</i>
<i>sea-level rise of tens of meters...</i>

1348
01:28:17,205 --> 01:28:20,106
...which would wipe out
all the coastal cities.

1349
01:28:37,325 --> 01:28:40,522
<i>If the ice sheets begin to disintegrate...</i>

1350
01:28:40,695 --> 01:28:44,131
<i>...then by that time,</i>
<i>you've passed a tipping point...</i>

1351
01:28:44,332 --> 01:28:46,459
...so that it's....

1352
01:28:46,635 --> 01:28:50,731
You're going to get consequences
that are out of our control.

1353
01:28:52,474 --> 01:28:55,534
<i>I've been arrested, I think, four times.</i>

1354
01:28:57,345 --> 01:29:00,337
<i>We should be going</i>
<i>and beating on the president's desk...</i>

1355
01:29:00,482 --> 01:29:03,246
<i>...telling him, "We have a problem."</i>

1356
01:29:08,256 --> 01:29:11,248
You don't have to accept things
the way they are.

1357
01:29:11,426 --> 01:29:13,656
There are things we can do to change.

1358
01:29:15,664 --> 01:29:19,259
<i>The lie is that we can't do it,</i>
<i>that we can't innovate.</i>

1359
01:29:19,434 --> 01:29:24,167
<i>We gotta keep relying</i>
<i>on petroleum, coal....</i>

1360
01:29:24,372 --> 01:29:27,170
<i>We gotta have just those things.</i>

1361
01:29:27,375 --> 01:29:29,366
<i>Why?</i>

1362
01:29:30,378 --> 01:29:32,175
To be in this situation...

1363
01:29:32,380 --> 01:29:36,510
...where those fossil fuels
are imperiling our future...

1364
01:29:36,685 --> 01:29:38,744
...and future generations...

1365
01:29:38,920 --> 01:29:43,016
...and we're not accountable for that...

1366
01:29:43,191 --> 01:29:46,490
...that really becomes a moral problem.

1367
01:29:48,830 --> 01:29:51,765
<i>We're leaving our children</i>
<i>and grandchildren a legacy...</i>

1368
01:29:51,933 --> 01:29:54,493
<i>...of people who failed to lead.</i>

1369
01:29:55,003 --> 01:29:59,838
People who, when it came their time
to be awakened...

1370
01:30:00,008 --> 01:30:01,441
...they slept.

1371
01:30:02,711 --> 01:30:07,705
<i>We didn't have enough faith in the future</i>
<i>that could be brought about...</i>

1372
01:30:07,916 --> 01:30:10,009
<i>...so we just gave up.</i>

1373
01:30:11,653 --> 01:30:14,713
<i>We couldn't rise to higher things.</i>

1374
01:30:16,424 --> 01:30:19,552
I don't wanna be a part of that.
I wanna be a part of saying:

1375
01:30:19,728 --> 01:30:23,289
"No, we did rise to it. You bet we did."

1375
01:30:24,305 --> 01:30:30,465
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