1 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:12,074 Everyone is intimidated by a shark. Become a Card Shark AMERICASCARDROOM.COM 2 00:00:46,918 --> 00:00:49,002 Marina, Marina. Up. 3 00:00:54,248 --> 00:00:57,467 Wow! This looks so beautiful! 4 00:01:01,968 --> 00:01:05,488 Everybody, move around in your positions. Marcus, come closer to Marina. 5 00:01:24,956 --> 00:01:29,556 That's good, guys. Stay right there. Perfect. Eyes back. Stay with me in the eye. 6 00:01:46,087 --> 00:01:48,145 You know what is interesting? 7 00:01:48,175 --> 00:01:51,598 After 40 years of people thinking you're insane 8 00:01:51,628 --> 00:01:54,186 and you should be put in mental hospital, 9 00:01:54,216 --> 00:01:58,515 you finally actually get all these acknowledgements. 10 00:01:59,585 --> 00:02:02,765 It takes such a long time to take you seriously. 11 00:02:02,795 --> 00:02:07,481 There. Right there. Right there. Don't move anything. Right there. 12 00:02:09,449 --> 00:02:11,703 It's a long way. 13 00:02:12,721 --> 00:02:15,971 Welcome to the Arts portion of our program. Kind of the highbrow part. 14 00:02:16,001 --> 00:02:19,552 In fact, it's the Museum of Modern Art, this exhibit we're talking about. 15 00:02:19,582 --> 00:02:22,627 But it might raise your eyebrows is what this one might do 16 00:02:22,657 --> 00:02:23,971 in addition to being highbrow. 17 00:02:24,001 --> 00:02:26,498 You have to decide if it's highbrow or not. Monica Morales went to see it. 18 00:02:26,528 --> 00:02:29,819 There are 3 pieces in particular that are nude. Here's the first one. 19 00:02:29,849 --> 00:02:33,286 It's called "Imponderabilia" by artist Marina Abramovic. 20 00:02:34,589 --> 00:02:36,574 - The name of the artist is Marina? - Marina. Yeah. 21 00:02:36,604 --> 00:02:38,862 - Her last name. - Don't know. 22 00:02:38,892 --> 00:02:42,294 - Abramovic. - OK, right. - Like, you know, Eastern European. 23 00:02:42,324 --> 00:02:45,274 - You did tell me once, yes. - Marina Abramovic. 24 00:03:44,606 --> 00:03:48,386 Ladies and Gentlemen, do not run. Do not run. Thank you. 25 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:07,370 I want whatever pass you have. 26 00:04:52,530 --> 00:04:56,341 My mother dressed me as a devil when I was 4 years old for the little party 27 00:04:56,371 --> 00:05:00,364 My first party ever. Everybody was dressed very happy. 28 00:05:00,394 --> 00:05:04,659 In the princesses and cowboys. And I was looking so miserable 29 00:05:04,689 --> 00:05:06,822 just... really 30 00:05:06,852 --> 00:05:10,652 little kid with a very sad, black devil dress with the two horns. 31 00:05:15,511 --> 00:05:19,761 I have no idea why she dressed me as a devil. I think that marked my life. 32 00:05:20,705 --> 00:05:23,905 - So we are re-creating this image. - Eyes back at me. 33 00:05:24,843 --> 00:05:27,734 Only 60 years later! 34 00:05:28,231 --> 00:05:32,559 I mean, after the show, I have to put some more attention to sex in my life. 35 00:05:32,589 --> 00:05:34,499 So I have to really look for it. 36 00:05:34,529 --> 00:05:37,526 If I put advertising like that, do you think that will... 37 00:05:37,556 --> 00:05:40,006 that will, uh, attract some, some guys? 38 00:05:43,242 --> 00:05:48,242 Semi-intellectual, artist on the top of her career, looking for the single male. 39 00:05:50,513 --> 00:05:51,767 Ok. 40 00:05:54,658 --> 00:05:57,857 So basically you are looking at many Marinas. 41 00:05:57,887 --> 00:06:01,865 You're looking the Marina who is product of the two partisan parents 42 00:06:04,105 --> 00:06:08,657 two national heroes, no limits, will power. Any aim she put in the front of her. 43 00:06:10,831 --> 00:06:14,756 And then, right next to this one, you have the other one 44 00:06:14,786 --> 00:06:19,062 who is like a little girl, who, you know, mother never give her enough love, and 45 00:06:19,092 --> 00:06:24,202 very vulnerable and unbelievably disappointed and sad. 46 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:30,060 And there is another one who have this kind of spiritual wisdom 47 00:06:30,649 --> 00:06:33,682 and can go above all that. 48 00:06:35,803 --> 00:06:38,353 And this is actually my favorite one. 49 00:06:46,023 --> 00:06:48,925 Stop there. Come towards me a bit. 50 00:06:52,239 --> 00:06:53,839 This side on the line. 51 00:06:54,049 --> 00:06:55,920 He have to make from over... 52 00:06:55,950 --> 00:07:00,887 Oh, he's there. Hello? We can... we can... Ok. 53 00:07:01,049 --> 00:07:03,585 Now we have to start. 54 00:07:04,049 --> 00:07:07,018 - I guess that was the... - Yeah, yeah. Does look cooler. 55 00:07:07,048 --> 00:07:09,698 - OK. And then back to here. - Yeah, yeah. 56 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:13,860 But here I have 10 pieces already. Which is plenty. 57 00:07:15,181 --> 00:07:17,331 Yeah, but it's whether they work. 58 00:07:18,934 --> 00:07:23,084 I love your name, August. It's amazing. Do you have a brother September? 59 00:07:24,302 --> 00:07:27,113 No, but who is writing the text? 60 00:07:27,914 --> 00:07:30,659 - That would be Klaus and his team. - That be Klaus. - Yeah. 61 00:07:30,689 --> 00:07:32,961 - All right. So... - I'll just be putting it on the wall. 62 00:07:32,991 --> 00:07:37,174 Oh, that's great to know. I like Times. Just to tell you of the letter set. 63 00:07:37,204 --> 00:07:40,093 And I like Russian type of letter setting. 64 00:07:40,123 --> 00:07:42,826 - But we can choice together some things. - OK, great. 65 00:07:42,856 --> 00:07:44,852 - OK. That's great. - Thank you. All right. 66 00:07:44,882 --> 00:07:46,841 It's too red, everything. 67 00:07:49,273 --> 00:07:52,973 Well, we talked about, uh, making it black and white yesterday. 68 00:07:53,005 --> 00:07:55,810 Yeah, you know, there will be color, actually. - OK. 69 00:07:56,352 --> 00:07:59,060 One time in my life I would like to show everything. 70 00:07:59,090 --> 00:08:02,088 What it takes you to make art and to be an artist. 71 00:08:02,185 --> 00:08:04,087 How much correspondence, how much e-mails, 72 00:08:04,117 --> 00:08:06,185 how much faxes, how much letters, 73 00:08:06,215 --> 00:08:08,613 how much plane tickets, how much... 74 00:08:08,643 --> 00:08:10,759 All this structure is just enormous. 75 00:08:10,789 --> 00:08:14,377 What is actually physical work which has nothing to do with creativity 76 00:08:14,407 --> 00:08:16,396 but just administration. 77 00:08:18,115 --> 00:08:20,165 Marina Abramovic's office. Ehi. 78 00:08:21,403 --> 00:08:23,715 In MoMA, I have whole sixth floor. Wow. 79 00:08:23,745 --> 00:08:26,609 Which is big deal, I tell you. It's big deal. - Unbelievable. 80 00:08:26,639 --> 00:08:29,973 I feel pain in my back already just to think about. 81 00:08:30,003 --> 00:08:33,019 So it start chronological. So this is the beginning, you know. 82 00:08:33,049 --> 00:08:35,239 It's the beginning, my early work. You know... 83 00:08:35,269 --> 00:08:38,049 this work is, it's called "Artist Is Present." 84 00:08:38,182 --> 00:08:42,730 So only is focusing on performance where artist is literally present. 85 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:45,853 Doesn't include my transitory objects, doesn't include my sound pieces 86 00:08:45,883 --> 00:08:48,570 doesn't include my, uh, objects, uh, with crystals. 87 00:08:48,910 --> 00:08:52,509 Just performance. Pure performance. It's all about performance. 88 00:08:52,539 --> 00:08:56,036 If we have the video, we don't, we don't show anything except video, you know. 89 00:08:56,066 --> 00:08:57,331 It's very radical. 90 00:08:57,361 --> 00:09:01,357 So for me, it's like that's why the show in MoMA is historical for me, important, 91 00:09:01,387 --> 00:09:04,435 to really put the kind of things in the right place. 92 00:09:04,465 --> 00:09:07,315 Because performance never been regular form of art. 93 00:09:07,345 --> 00:09:09,327 It's been alternative since I was born. 94 00:09:09,357 --> 00:09:13,435 So I want to really to be real form of art and respect. Before I die. 95 00:09:15,980 --> 00:09:18,841 Bye. And you. Kiss. 96 00:09:20,689 --> 00:09:22,634 So let's start with the exhibition. 97 00:09:22,664 --> 00:09:25,876 You are re-performing your own performance? - No, new piece. 98 00:09:25,906 --> 00:09:28,221 - You're... you're making... - I'm making new piece. 99 00:09:28,251 --> 00:09:31,538 - One new piece or several new pieces? - Just one new piece. "Artist Is Present." 100 00:09:31,568 --> 00:09:33,996 And all the rest are people re-performing my... 101 00:09:34,026 --> 00:09:35,926 my... 5 historical pieces. 102 00:09:37,029 --> 00:09:40,751 And so I think your first performance was also in a museum 103 00:09:41,969 --> 00:09:42,828 in Belgrade. 104 00:09:42,858 --> 00:09:43,858 Is that... 105 00:09:44,350 --> 00:09:48,083 - No, you know, it's actually... - No, but, but what kind of venues... 106 00:09:51,835 --> 00:09:55,987 And Marina, the element of sound is imminent in "Relation in Movement" 107 00:09:57,427 --> 00:10:00,827 where you were driving a van around a square for 16 hours 108 00:10:01,129 --> 00:10:03,192 and shouting numbers through a megaphone. 109 00:10:03,222 --> 00:10:07,388 Yeah. - You substituted your persona with that of a prostitute, yeah? 110 00:10:07,682 --> 00:10:10,851 And, "Rhythm 2" where you took psychoactive drugs 111 00:10:10,955 --> 00:10:14,194 to challenge social attitudes toward female mental illness. 112 00:10:14,224 --> 00:10:17,706 And "Rhythm 5, " where you lay inside a wooden 5-pointed star 113 00:10:17,931 --> 00:10:21,220 set on fire and then fainted from the lack of oxygen. 114 00:10:22,788 --> 00:10:27,580 Now these pieces, you have often been threatened and threatened your own body, 115 00:10:27,719 --> 00:10:30,529 and I know you're probably sick of these questions 116 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:33,270 but I just want to touch on it briefly before we can move on. 117 00:10:33,300 --> 00:10:35,958 There is only one question I didn't hear since 10 years: 118 00:10:35,988 --> 00:10:37,202 Why is this art? 119 00:10:37,538 --> 00:10:40,463 This is, was the main question since I start performances, 120 00:10:40,493 --> 00:10:44,321 people asking me, and I could not take it. And now actually I'm missing it, like... 121 00:10:44,351 --> 00:10:47,633 nobody ask me, why is not art? Because maybe it's my age so they, 122 00:10:47,663 --> 00:10:50,764 they kind of get it finally or they just pretend to get it. 123 00:10:50,794 --> 00:10:55,687 If you're alternative when you're young, when you're 18 and 19 and 20, 124 00:10:55,717 --> 00:10:59,717 and you're still alternative with 29 and you're alternative with the 30. 125 00:10:59,747 --> 00:11:02,965 And you're alternative with the 40. And you're alternative with the 50. 126 00:11:02,995 --> 00:11:07,231 But excuse me, I am 63. I don't want to be alternative anymore! 127 00:11:10,003 --> 00:11:14,711 Many people think of her as the grandmother of performance art. 128 00:11:18,610 --> 00:11:21,510 Art must be beautiful. Artist must be beautiful. 129 00:11:25,345 --> 00:11:29,645 Performance emerged in the sixties as a result of a challenge to painting. 130 00:11:31,071 --> 00:11:34,571 Whatever it was, it was not something you hung on the wall. 131 00:11:45,261 --> 00:11:47,962 It's a form of art where the medium is the body. 132 00:11:50,182 --> 00:11:53,033 In the case of Marina, she used the human body 133 00:11:54,087 --> 00:11:57,087 to make statements can sometimes be quite violent. 134 00:11:58,847 --> 00:12:01,381 Can sometimes be provocative. 135 00:12:02,627 --> 00:12:04,698 She is directly and boldly... 136 00:12:05,789 --> 00:12:07,489 challenging an audience. 137 00:12:10,709 --> 00:12:13,059 What is at the heart of her artworks 138 00:12:14,537 --> 00:12:16,287 is the shared experience 139 00:12:17,483 --> 00:12:19,760 of the audience 140 00:12:19,790 --> 00:12:21,495 and the performer. 141 00:12:24,590 --> 00:12:27,190 Many of Marina's works are interventions. 142 00:12:29,201 --> 00:12:32,429 When she did "Rhythm 0" in Naples, with the objects 143 00:12:32,459 --> 00:12:35,209 and people could use the objects against her. 144 00:12:35,789 --> 00:12:37,969 That is like the Stanford Experiment, right? 145 00:12:37,999 --> 00:12:40,549 That is kind of a scientific experiment 146 00:12:40,899 --> 00:12:42,699 that reveals human nature. 147 00:12:43,507 --> 00:12:46,557 But what is art other than revealing human nature? 148 00:12:47,767 --> 00:12:51,484 It's like a murder mystery. It's like a Hitchcock. Is she going to get murdered? 149 00:12:51,571 --> 00:12:52,921 There the gun is. 150 00:12:53,847 --> 00:12:57,316 What's going to happen? Who's walking in? Who's walking out? 151 00:12:57,963 --> 00:13:00,819 The veneer of civilization is very thin. 152 00:13:01,866 --> 00:13:05,666 And what's absolutely terrifying is how quickly a group of people 153 00:13:06,827 --> 00:13:10,227 will become bestial if you give them permission to do so. 154 00:13:11,150 --> 00:13:15,619 And some of Marina's early performances were about that. 155 00:13:16,269 --> 00:13:19,225 It's playing with that edge of the knife... 156 00:13:19,870 --> 00:13:22,370 that allows her to create the intensity... 157 00:13:24,390 --> 00:13:27,304 of the performances that makes them transcendent. 158 00:14:04,865 --> 00:14:07,590 Basically, it's the workshop called "Cleaning the House" 159 00:14:07,620 --> 00:14:10,069 and it's preparation for the show in MoMA. 160 00:14:10,099 --> 00:14:12,574 Let's cut together. As fast as we can. 161 00:14:12,604 --> 00:14:15,604 Because we have to cut all this, put in the soup 162 00:14:16,140 --> 00:14:17,240 before 2:00. 163 00:14:17,494 --> 00:14:19,597 My generation artist not performing anymore. 164 00:14:19,627 --> 00:14:21,954 I'm one of the maybe two or 3 still left. 165 00:14:22,158 --> 00:14:25,334 And I was thinking, I, is my task to make history straight. 166 00:14:25,855 --> 00:14:30,105 So when I now asked to make a perspective on the performance work in MoMA, 167 00:14:30,903 --> 00:14:34,544 I was really thinking that it would be important for me to let it go 168 00:14:34,574 --> 00:14:35,999 also for my own ego 169 00:14:36,029 --> 00:14:39,660 and give 5 historical pieces to other younger artists to be re-perform. 170 00:15:13,454 --> 00:15:16,404 So now they're coming and I am cooking the soup. 171 00:15:20,581 --> 00:15:24,034 She said something like, we're not going to eat or speak for 3 days. She's like: 172 00:15:24,064 --> 00:15:28,538 you'll hate me at the time but you'll love me forever after and do whatever I want. 173 00:15:29,081 --> 00:15:31,616 What do you look so worry about? 174 00:15:31,646 --> 00:15:33,746 She wants us to fast for 3 days 175 00:15:34,540 --> 00:15:38,454 and she's mentioned some other exercises that we'll be doing. 176 00:15:39,352 --> 00:15:41,737 Like, I'm going with my instincts on this 177 00:15:41,767 --> 00:15:44,236 and it feels right to trust her. 178 00:15:44,757 --> 00:15:46,998 So you can make your last phone call. 179 00:15:47,028 --> 00:15:48,421 Last phone call. 180 00:15:48,845 --> 00:15:52,194 You know, you'll be free for 3 days. It's amazing. 181 00:15:52,224 --> 00:15:55,121 - So what's, what's happening? - We'll let you know later. Don't worry. 182 00:15:55,151 --> 00:15:58,613 - It doesn't matter. - It's... it's just a little bit different. 183 00:15:58,643 --> 00:16:02,752 They can take this experience and can do everything they want with their own life. 184 00:16:03,932 --> 00:16:06,434 But probably they will hate me anyway. 185 00:16:06,602 --> 00:16:08,093 At least in the beginning. 186 00:16:08,266 --> 00:16:10,011 Is very simple structure, you know, 187 00:16:10,300 --> 00:16:12,866 and the whole idea is to slow down, 188 00:16:13,109 --> 00:16:17,307 to slow down with your body and your mind into zero gravity 189 00:16:17,427 --> 00:16:18,675 if it's possible. 190 00:16:18,705 --> 00:16:21,175 So, you know, the first ritual will be to wake up 191 00:16:21,205 --> 00:16:24,397 and do some simple exercises like, like a kind of, 192 00:16:24,427 --> 00:16:27,827 you know, little jumping and little bit of the energy releasing. 193 00:16:27,857 --> 00:16:30,945 I will show it to you. It's very simple. And then we go to the river. 194 00:16:30,975 --> 00:16:34,428 Anybody who have a problem with nudity, please take a swimming suit... 195 00:16:34,458 --> 00:16:35,608 one bikini... 196 00:16:35,876 --> 00:16:39,253 one side, two sides, whatever you want, or naked. I don't care. 197 00:16:39,489 --> 00:16:43,902 The purpose of this whole thing is that they really have to perform 3 months, 198 00:16:43,932 --> 00:16:47,297 which is very big, um, kind of obligation. 199 00:16:48,397 --> 00:16:51,397 So they have to create their own charismatic space 200 00:16:51,856 --> 00:16:55,118 and for that you, you have to consider some training. 201 00:16:58,726 --> 00:17:01,259 The proposition here is just empty yourself. 202 00:17:03,055 --> 00:17:05,697 Be able to be in a present time. 203 00:17:07,869 --> 00:17:09,984 Put your mind here and now. 204 00:17:12,021 --> 00:17:14,241 And then something emotional open. 205 00:17:14,271 --> 00:17:17,539 And that's what we are looking for in this work. 206 00:17:18,554 --> 00:17:21,936 In performance, you have to have emotional approach. 207 00:17:23,558 --> 00:17:27,738 It's a kind of direct energy dialogue with the public and the performer. 208 00:17:33,357 --> 00:17:37,507 And if you're performing in that way, that you're there, at least 100 percent, 209 00:17:39,164 --> 00:17:42,214 there is emotional moment arrive to everybody. 210 00:17:43,188 --> 00:17:46,466 There's no way out. Everybody feel it. 211 00:17:48,348 --> 00:17:51,155 Artist have to be warrior. 212 00:17:51,601 --> 00:17:55,751 Have to have this determination and have to have the stamina to conquer, 213 00:17:56,841 --> 00:18:01,046 not just new territory but also to conquer himself 214 00:18:03,120 --> 00:18:05,107 and his weaknesses. 215 00:18:06,871 --> 00:18:10,063 So doesn't matter what kind of work you are doing as an artist, 216 00:18:10,093 --> 00:18:14,313 the most important is from which state of mind you're doing what you're doing. 217 00:18:18,956 --> 00:18:21,976 And performance is all about state of mind. 218 00:18:41,300 --> 00:18:42,300 So... 219 00:18:43,909 --> 00:18:44,726 wait and see. 220 00:19:09,625 --> 00:19:12,690 Marina Abramovic: The Artist Is Present" means... 221 00:19:12,831 --> 00:19:14,231 that from March 9 222 00:19:15,376 --> 00:19:16,897 to May 31... 223 00:19:17,512 --> 00:19:20,234 whenever you enter the museum during opening hours, 224 00:19:20,264 --> 00:19:24,103 it may be at 9:30 in the morning or at 5:00 in the afternoon... 225 00:19:24,133 --> 00:19:25,633 she will be present. 226 00:19:27,584 --> 00:19:30,002 How I imagine "Artist Is Present" in Atrium, 227 00:19:30,032 --> 00:19:32,945 I actually imagine more like a kind of... 228 00:19:33,196 --> 00:19:34,255 film set. 229 00:19:36,437 --> 00:19:38,372 There is a huge square of light. 230 00:19:38,477 --> 00:19:42,471 And just that square, you know, like "Lost in Translation" in some way. 231 00:19:42,702 --> 00:19:45,681 In the middle of that square is placed a table and two chairs. 232 00:19:45,864 --> 00:19:47,907 It's so simple. It's like nothing there. 233 00:19:47,937 --> 00:19:50,541 It's just a artist sitting like mountain, you know. 234 00:19:50,571 --> 00:19:53,342 I want to be just like a rock there. Only 3 months. 235 00:19:53,802 --> 00:19:56,610 And looking you in the eyes. 236 00:19:57,662 --> 00:20:01,412 We are talking 3 months. Every single day. 237 00:20:02,030 --> 00:20:04,265 If you are performing 3 months, 238 00:20:04,295 --> 00:20:06,709 it's really performance become life itself. 239 00:20:10,938 --> 00:20:13,510 People don't understand that the hardest thing is to... 240 00:20:13,540 --> 00:20:16,440 actually do something which is close to nothing. 241 00:20:17,447 --> 00:20:20,865 It's demanding all of you because there's no story anymore to tell, 242 00:20:20,895 --> 00:20:23,218 there's no objects to hide behind. 243 00:20:23,248 --> 00:20:25,618 There's nothing. It's just your pure presence. 244 00:20:25,648 --> 00:20:28,974 You have to rely on your own energy and nothing else. 245 00:20:29,576 --> 00:20:30,776 7 1/2 hours. 246 00:20:31,265 --> 00:20:32,967 6 days a week. 247 00:20:34,647 --> 00:20:35,697 Motionless. 248 00:20:37,631 --> 00:20:38,631 Wow! 249 00:20:39,612 --> 00:20:41,312 I have nothing to say. 250 00:20:42,213 --> 00:20:43,269 No comment. 251 00:20:43,791 --> 00:20:44,927 Only respect. 252 00:20:46,007 --> 00:20:49,007 I could imagine it being unbearable to sit there. 253 00:20:50,177 --> 00:20:51,477 She's gonna try. 254 00:20:54,977 --> 00:20:57,477 I don't know whether it's going to work. 255 00:20:57,852 --> 00:20:59,152 Can I show you? 256 00:20:59,399 --> 00:21:03,406 When she had this idea, I said, "Oh, God, she's going to kill herself." 257 00:21:03,638 --> 00:21:08,086 And I said, "Marina, I don't know if I want to have "the responsibility 258 00:21:08,190 --> 00:21:11,230 of having "given you the permission to do that. 259 00:21:13,254 --> 00:21:15,519 Think about it for two days." 260 00:21:15,691 --> 00:21:19,148 And then she called me the next morning, she said, "I can do that." 261 00:21:20,551 --> 00:21:23,643 The moment that Klaus Biesenbach came with the title of the show 262 00:21:23,673 --> 00:21:25,161 "Artist Is Present, " 263 00:21:25,191 --> 00:21:28,679 it was like a destiny. Click, like right away. Artist Is Present. 264 00:21:28,709 --> 00:21:30,271 There's no anyway out. 265 00:21:30,375 --> 00:21:33,482 I wanted to show you. I mean, isn't this fantastic? 266 00:21:33,795 --> 00:21:35,729 - It's the aesthetic... - No one will ever see it except... 267 00:21:35,759 --> 00:21:39,477 And it's nothing to do with the museum, not to get flooded for sure. 268 00:21:41,162 --> 00:21:44,342 I mean, maybe I don't use it at all. I just have to... 269 00:21:44,372 --> 00:21:47,707 Oh, I'm very much counting on you never using it. You promised. 270 00:21:47,737 --> 00:21:50,856 No, because, because is, it's like the whole idea about, you know, security... 271 00:21:50,886 --> 00:21:52,810 Men don't get it. So I think it's fine. 272 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:55,888 He doesn't want to hear... to deal with reality. 273 00:21:55,918 --> 00:21:58,609 No, I think that's fine. I think that's a brilliant solution. 274 00:21:58,855 --> 00:22:03,207 I have no idea why I have to do harder and harder, it's like something in me. 275 00:22:03,312 --> 00:22:05,876 You know, I can perfectly make retrospective, 276 00:22:05,906 --> 00:22:08,062 36 people re-performing my piece. 277 00:22:08,564 --> 00:22:10,616 We have wonderful dinner, celebration, 278 00:22:10,646 --> 00:22:12,757 go home and work is done. 279 00:22:12,861 --> 00:22:15,052 But why I have to do this? 280 00:22:15,082 --> 00:22:17,503 This is like my, my cross, I am carrying it. 281 00:22:17,533 --> 00:22:21,905 It's insane. So, God help me to finish this one. 282 00:22:28,124 --> 00:22:31,798 When you're watching a Marina Abramovic performance, 283 00:22:31,902 --> 00:22:36,902 you are engaging with her physical presence, which is very striking. 284 00:22:38,202 --> 00:22:42,402 The clear evidence that she has a lot of physical stamina and strength, 285 00:22:42,992 --> 00:22:45,742 which the public and its presence gives her, 286 00:22:48,173 --> 00:22:51,142 but clearly, physically, it's innate. She can take... 287 00:22:51,906 --> 00:22:55,013 sitting still or doing very little or... 288 00:22:55,117 --> 00:22:58,267 whatever she's doing in the performance for long periods of time. 289 00:22:58,297 --> 00:23:00,160 Which most people cannot. 290 00:23:05,341 --> 00:23:08,962 So, my both parents are national heroes from the Tito time, 291 00:23:08,992 --> 00:23:12,567 you know, in the Second World War in ex-Yugoslavia. 292 00:23:13,744 --> 00:23:15,848 I had a such a terrible... 293 00:23:15,969 --> 00:23:18,400 real control at home, which I hated. 294 00:23:18,653 --> 00:23:21,603 Everything was like, um, disciplined, scheduled. 295 00:23:21,848 --> 00:23:24,225 I was trained to be soldier, literally. 296 00:23:24,255 --> 00:23:27,839 My mother would even wake me in the middle of the night if my bed was not straight 297 00:23:27,869 --> 00:23:31,430 because I am sleeping too messy. I mean, that kind of insanity. 298 00:23:31,574 --> 00:23:33,232 It was no love there, you know. 299 00:23:33,262 --> 00:23:37,129 I never remember my mother kissing me or holding me in any possible way. 300 00:23:37,159 --> 00:23:40,233 And much later in my life when I ask her: "But why, you know, you never kiss me? 301 00:23:40,263 --> 00:23:42,649 She was so surprised at the question. She said: 302 00:23:42,679 --> 00:23:45,316 "Of course, I didn't kiss you, not to spoil you." 303 00:23:45,346 --> 00:23:47,963 And she really didn't spoil me but... 304 00:23:48,067 --> 00:23:51,726 On other side, it was the grandmother who was loving and always there 305 00:23:51,756 --> 00:23:54,825 and she was spiritual and spending all the time in the church, 306 00:23:54,855 --> 00:23:57,843 and I was with her when I was a child because most of them was doing... 307 00:23:57,873 --> 00:24:00,373 political career, never had time for me. 308 00:24:00,635 --> 00:24:03,590 So there's a kind of strange mixture between spirituality 309 00:24:03,620 --> 00:24:05,873 and that Communist discipline. 310 00:24:06,030 --> 00:24:08,834 Looking now back, it was very important to me 311 00:24:08,938 --> 00:24:12,779 and actually, this is what make me what I am now. 312 00:24:21,478 --> 00:24:24,886 Nice to meet you. You are welcome to Florence. 313 00:24:25,473 --> 00:24:28,961 I went to this, bathroom in aeroport, 314 00:24:29,419 --> 00:24:31,820 and there was a fantastic discovery. 315 00:24:31,925 --> 00:24:35,490 Two pages with illustrations: 316 00:24:35,594 --> 00:24:39,368 "How to wash the hands by water and soap." 317 00:24:39,582 --> 00:24:43,604 It's, "Come lavare i mani con acqua e sapone." 318 00:24:44,756 --> 00:24:45,756 Brilliant. 319 00:24:48,745 --> 00:24:51,045 Today we are here for the important 320 00:24:52,625 --> 00:24:54,463 Lorenzo Magnifico award 321 00:24:54,868 --> 00:24:56,895 to Marina Abramovic. 322 00:24:56,925 --> 00:24:58,975 Thank you. Thank you very much. 323 00:24:59,626 --> 00:25:01,840 So I need the microphone. All right. 324 00:25:04,339 --> 00:25:07,730 And now, you know, I was thinking last I would give a lecture. 325 00:25:07,834 --> 00:25:11,205 And I don't feel in this occasion getting prize to give a lecture. 326 00:25:11,235 --> 00:25:14,802 I would like to actually have a more dialogue with the public. 327 00:25:14,832 --> 00:25:18,332 And before I do this, I would like to read you my manifest. 328 00:25:21,586 --> 00:25:24,986 So, my manifest, I think I wrote really out of my heart 329 00:25:26,947 --> 00:25:29,797 and is also is actually funny in the same time. 330 00:25:31,284 --> 00:25:32,384 But is true. 331 00:25:32,936 --> 00:25:35,936 An artist should not lie to himself or to others. 332 00:25:42,788 --> 00:25:46,326 An artist should not steal ideas from the other artist. 333 00:25:46,594 --> 00:25:51,044 An artist should not compromise for themselves or in regard to the art market. 334 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,290 An artist should not kill another human being. 335 00:26:02,665 --> 00:26:05,997 An artist should not make themselves into an idol. 336 00:26:06,202 --> 00:26:09,370 An artist relation to his love life... 337 00:26:14,117 --> 00:26:15,889 No, love life, love... amore. 338 00:26:20,327 --> 00:26:22,007 I apologize... 339 00:26:26,222 --> 00:26:29,955 An artist should avoid falling in love with another artist. 340 00:26:30,451 --> 00:26:34,346 An artist should fall, avoid to falling in love with another artist. 341 00:26:34,376 --> 00:26:38,326 An artist should fall, avoid to falling in love with another artist. 342 00:26:47,703 --> 00:26:51,253 The very first moment we met was when she came to Amsterdam. 343 00:26:53,370 --> 00:26:56,201 She was to do a performance. 344 00:26:56,716 --> 00:26:59,576 I met her just before that one. 345 00:27:00,437 --> 00:27:02,777 The performance was called "Thomas Lips." 346 00:27:02,881 --> 00:27:06,561 It came down to that she would cut a pentagram in her stomach 347 00:27:06,665 --> 00:27:09,924 with a razor blade and she would whip herself. 348 00:27:11,285 --> 00:27:14,469 And I said, "No, no, maybe not." 349 00:27:14,614 --> 00:27:17,064 Afterwards, I start nursing her wounds. 350 00:27:18,832 --> 00:27:21,932 I didn't lick her wounds but I cared for the wounds 351 00:27:22,326 --> 00:27:25,364 and cleaned it and, you know, put something on it. 352 00:27:25,766 --> 00:27:28,216 And I think that was the crucial point. 353 00:27:30,679 --> 00:27:34,169 At the time we met, there was immediately a fascination. 354 00:27:34,415 --> 00:27:37,316 Type-wise, character-wise, personality-wise, 355 00:27:37,346 --> 00:27:40,745 the work we had been doing singularly, she and me. 356 00:27:42,292 --> 00:27:45,804 You know, there was a recognition like you have found a lost brother or a lost sister 357 00:27:45,834 --> 00:27:47,284 or something like this. 358 00:27:47,314 --> 00:27:50,398 Plus, that we were born on the same day, November the 30th, 359 00:27:50,428 --> 00:27:52,228 both Sagittarius. Obvious. 360 00:27:53,426 --> 00:27:55,670 You know, destiny brought us together. 361 00:27:57,759 --> 00:28:01,309 I really loved him, I mean, loved him like more than myself. 362 00:28:03,201 --> 00:28:06,263 And for me, was when we start working together, this was forever. 363 00:28:06,293 --> 00:28:10,022 I was thinking, this is the relation, this is work and it will never stop. 364 00:28:10,218 --> 00:28:15,052 It was like two twins connected with the, with the body together, and soul. 365 00:28:16,711 --> 00:28:18,761 We were lovers, we were friends 366 00:28:20,038 --> 00:28:21,438 we were performers 367 00:28:22,222 --> 00:28:23,677 all at once. 368 00:28:24,028 --> 00:28:26,267 And our love was always on top of it. 369 00:28:29,017 --> 00:28:33,167 I think Marina and Ulay's relationship is one of the great love stories. 370 00:28:33,959 --> 00:28:37,659 Marina is very hardcore and she had met someone who was equally 371 00:28:37,784 --> 00:28:40,434 prepared to go to any lengths for his art. 372 00:28:41,294 --> 00:28:45,245 And that must have impressed her enormously because she had met her equal. 373 00:28:49,016 --> 00:28:51,588 When Marina and Ulay came together and started 374 00:28:51,618 --> 00:28:54,205 the group of works known as the Relation Works, 375 00:28:54,294 --> 00:28:57,494 there had been nothing like it in performance before. 376 00:28:58,862 --> 00:29:03,200 We would engage our bodies in a confrontational way 377 00:29:03,304 --> 00:29:06,745 we wanted to get to the point about male/female conflicts, 378 00:29:07,304 --> 00:29:09,890 traumatic experiences about relation. 379 00:29:10,192 --> 00:29:14,160 Afterwards, often we were black and blue. 380 00:29:14,190 --> 00:29:14,994 But it didn't hurt. 381 00:29:35,777 --> 00:29:39,471 Our 12 years that was as intensive and as heavy 382 00:29:39,625 --> 00:29:42,675 as powerful as other people's whole life, I guess. 383 00:29:45,722 --> 00:29:50,202 We went through so many stages: falling in love, having this relation of 12 years. 384 00:29:50,433 --> 00:29:52,795 Now we are talking 23 full years 385 00:29:52,942 --> 00:29:56,442 that we are able first time ever to be under the same roof. 386 00:29:59,985 --> 00:30:01,806 Ulay should be here at 2:00. 387 00:30:01,962 --> 00:30:06,113 The first time that Ulay comes in in this specific apartment in New York 388 00:30:08,090 --> 00:30:11,486 Never here, never Upstate. They've been separate since many years 389 00:30:11,516 --> 00:30:14,266 so we are getting together to talk about it. 390 00:30:16,020 --> 00:30:19,784 And I have no idea what will come out but be for sure interesting. 391 00:30:20,417 --> 00:30:21,417 For sure. 392 00:30:24,837 --> 00:30:25,837 Hello. 393 00:30:27,525 --> 00:30:29,470 - How you doing? - Doing fine. 394 00:30:31,650 --> 00:30:34,214 I've just been with psychoanalyst. 395 00:30:34,244 --> 00:30:36,650 Dr. Glimour. Very special lady. 396 00:30:37,389 --> 00:30:39,380 Really strict. I like strict. 397 00:30:39,410 --> 00:30:41,894 I mean, she doesn't have uniform, but almost. 398 00:30:42,324 --> 00:30:45,782 So she told me emotionally, I am not doing so bad. 399 00:30:46,030 --> 00:30:48,890 I should go more into my childhood, 400 00:30:49,621 --> 00:30:53,272 look into the patterns not to repeat for the next relationship. 401 00:30:53,794 --> 00:30:57,672 I told her about Ulay and she think maybe it's going to be easy... 402 00:30:58,384 --> 00:30:58,978 maybe not 403 00:30:59,095 --> 00:31:01,467 the whole thing. You know, we don't know. 404 00:31:01,497 --> 00:31:03,647 OK, let me have a glass of water. 405 00:31:05,888 --> 00:31:09,283 We both are in third act of our life. 406 00:31:11,051 --> 00:31:13,692 There's no other moment, you know, to get closer 407 00:31:13,722 --> 00:31:15,533 and somehow forgive each other. 408 00:31:15,563 --> 00:31:19,414 To really kind of peacefully, find OK, 409 00:31:19,722 --> 00:31:22,572 it was really horrible and painful and hateful 410 00:31:22,716 --> 00:31:26,101 and everything else together. But it was creative at the same time 411 00:31:26,131 --> 00:31:28,554 and we should just forgive each other. 412 00:31:30,458 --> 00:31:31,836 Are you in the wrong building? 413 00:31:31,866 --> 00:31:34,403 - No, it's the... - The Performing Garage is right here. 414 00:31:34,433 --> 00:31:36,001 - No, this is my building. - Hi, dear. - How are you? 415 00:31:36,031 --> 00:31:39,277 What shall I call you? "The Grandmother of Performance Art?" 416 00:31:39,307 --> 00:31:42,179 - Or "the Diva of Performance Art?" - No, come in, come in. 417 00:31:42,209 --> 00:31:43,959 I think I still love her. 418 00:31:44,408 --> 00:31:48,047 I can live with it. I'm happy I do, rather than hating her. 419 00:31:48,348 --> 00:31:49,574 So this my loft. 420 00:31:50,568 --> 00:31:54,170 - This is Davide. Davide you know? - No shit. - My assistant. - Hi, Davide. 421 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:55,739 You met before, no? 422 00:31:55,769 --> 00:31:58,629 - Yeah, I think up in the office, isn't it? - Yes. 423 00:31:58,659 --> 00:32:01,553 And you were the one who sends the e-mails? - I do. 424 00:32:01,583 --> 00:32:04,863 Davide is young artist. And good one, too. From Torino. 425 00:32:04,967 --> 00:32:07,950 - David-ay. - Yeah, not David. - Davide. - Davide. 426 00:32:08,235 --> 00:32:11,381 - So, how you doing? - I am doing fine. Look at me. 427 00:32:11,574 --> 00:32:12,441 Totally. 428 00:32:12,471 --> 00:32:14,471 If I can be of help, pleasure. 429 00:32:16,074 --> 00:32:19,524 If I can do something for her, pleasure. Depends what, but 430 00:32:20,201 --> 00:32:22,651 you know, speaking now, yes, of course. 431 00:32:23,296 --> 00:32:26,249 I can do only two things. Help, or be good. 432 00:32:26,457 --> 00:32:29,965 It's an amazing place, Davide. Are you often here, Davide? 433 00:32:30,070 --> 00:32:31,784 Yes, pretty pretty often here, yes. 434 00:32:31,814 --> 00:32:35,262 Yeah, I would, I would try to do the same, ya. It's a great place. 435 00:32:35,292 --> 00:32:37,628 Maybe she still loves me. I don't know. 436 00:32:38,446 --> 00:32:41,869 We will figure out tomorrow something. Tomorrow after tomorrow. 437 00:32:41,981 --> 00:32:43,164 And maybe... 438 00:32:43,827 --> 00:32:46,149 put a finger on her teeth. 439 00:32:47,086 --> 00:32:48,196 Put a finger on her teeth? 440 00:32:48,226 --> 00:32:51,276 Yeah, that means to make something sensitive. Yeah. 441 00:33:02,044 --> 00:33:05,505 Marina, are you nervous about the show at the MoMA? Or are you not nervous? 442 00:33:05,535 --> 00:33:07,893 Incredibly. I'm always nervous even if I give a speech. 443 00:33:07,923 --> 00:33:10,335 - I sit in the toilet for days. - Good. 444 00:33:10,710 --> 00:33:14,509 If I'm not nervous, then I'm nervous why I'm not nervous. 445 00:33:16,453 --> 00:33:18,022 And when you are sitting in the chair 446 00:33:18,052 --> 00:33:20,073 are you going to move on the chair a little bit, 447 00:33:20,103 --> 00:33:22,650 leaning backwards and forwards, or you... 448 00:33:23,364 --> 00:33:25,508 planning on staying in the exact same position? 449 00:33:25,538 --> 00:33:27,362 Exact same position. Not moving at all. 450 00:33:27,392 --> 00:33:29,800 Just looking straight. What are you looking at right there? 451 00:33:29,830 --> 00:33:31,451 Anybody who sit in front of me. 452 00:33:31,481 --> 00:33:33,382 Oh, there's another chair in front of you. 453 00:33:33,412 --> 00:33:36,307 Yeah, because anybody from audience can sit as long as they want. 454 00:33:36,337 --> 00:33:37,518 In front of you. 455 00:33:37,548 --> 00:33:40,598 And it's between 11,000 and 15,000 people at MoMA, so... 456 00:33:41,067 --> 00:33:43,557 it's just The Gaze. 457 00:33:48,119 --> 00:33:52,191 Marina seduces everybody she ever meets. 458 00:33:52,684 --> 00:33:55,458 But that's not the case for me because I went through that process 459 00:33:55,488 --> 00:33:57,188 and now we are divorced. 460 00:33:57,252 --> 00:33:59,372 We are great friends, but we are divorced. 461 00:33:59,402 --> 00:34:02,826 So she would never try to seduce me, because we are divorced. 462 00:34:08,087 --> 00:34:11,187 With Marina, I always try to subtract the performer 463 00:34:12,479 --> 00:34:15,240 from the person I have a working relationship with. 464 00:34:15,487 --> 00:34:17,951 And I try to deal with her as if she was a sculpture. 465 00:34:17,981 --> 00:34:20,652 I look at her work as if it was an object. 466 00:34:21,981 --> 00:34:24,805 I try to be incredibly matter-of-fact with her 467 00:34:24,835 --> 00:34:29,835 because I don't want her "performance persona" to get into the way. 468 00:34:32,242 --> 00:34:35,419 Because with Marina, she's never not performing. 469 00:34:43,212 --> 00:34:45,112 Marina, you don't need this? 470 00:34:46,363 --> 00:34:47,599 You sure? 471 00:34:50,168 --> 00:34:51,301 He makes the wine disappear. 472 00:34:51,331 --> 00:34:54,918 I can teach you one that you can also do that's fun. 473 00:35:05,514 --> 00:35:08,880 I just meet recently somebody that so many people told me 474 00:35:08,910 --> 00:35:12,697 I should meet, I should meet, and that just happened in MoMA, and 475 00:35:12,727 --> 00:35:15,961 so we came here and had, uh, a little drink. 476 00:35:16,065 --> 00:35:18,752 And it's this quite interesting, you know, guy. 477 00:35:18,782 --> 00:35:21,050 He's a magician, David Blaine. 478 00:35:26,043 --> 00:35:28,174 He was thinking we can maybe do something, 479 00:35:28,204 --> 00:35:31,799 during that my... my, ... performance in MoMA. 480 00:35:32,165 --> 00:35:36,546 You know there's always those axes in the glass in case of emergency, you know. 481 00:35:36,793 --> 00:35:40,243 So, I was thinking if somehow I got into using this alco... 482 00:35:40,338 --> 00:35:43,674 this substance that she has, and gagging her face with it, 483 00:35:43,704 --> 00:35:46,038 and people would think it was pretty strange. 484 00:35:46,068 --> 00:35:49,206 And then breaking the glass open and then taking an axe 485 00:35:49,236 --> 00:35:50,603 and just gutting her. 486 00:35:50,633 --> 00:35:53,508 And then come emergency, they put a blanket over me, 487 00:35:53,576 --> 00:35:57,849 blood all over the place. And you know, the police come, take him to prison. 488 00:35:57,879 --> 00:36:01,991 She's laying there and the exhi... the whole exhibition is over. 489 00:36:02,354 --> 00:36:05,413 And people, they don't know what happened...was accident, not accident? 490 00:36:05,443 --> 00:36:08,427 Questioning, you know, maybe reality is not reality. 491 00:36:08,457 --> 00:36:12,684 - And I'll just hack her violently. - You've done this before? 492 00:36:13,177 --> 00:36:14,177 No. 493 00:36:16,281 --> 00:36:18,317 If I do it twice, it's an illusion. 494 00:36:18,347 --> 00:36:21,947 But when you do it one time, it's... it's crazy. 495 00:36:22,051 --> 00:36:26,151 I mean, the amazing thing is, Marina, that it's going to be in at MoMA. 496 00:36:27,250 --> 00:36:30,976 Those people are the perfect people to do it to. - Absolutely 497 00:36:31,006 --> 00:36:32,159 Yeah. You know. 498 00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:37,500 - What do you really think? - I think it's a really bad idea. 499 00:36:37,965 --> 00:36:38,899 Why? 500 00:36:38,929 --> 00:36:42,845 Because he's a really interesting guy and he does amazing things. 501 00:36:43,357 --> 00:36:45,750 But the fact of the matter is, you know 502 00:36:45,780 --> 00:36:48,547 some people culturally call people like that magicians 503 00:36:48,577 --> 00:36:51,643 but I am sure he would prefer to be called an illusionist. 504 00:36:51,904 --> 00:36:54,333 And that really tells you all you need to know. 505 00:36:54,363 --> 00:36:58,028 Your work doesn't have anything to do with illusionism. It's all real. 506 00:36:58,386 --> 00:37:01,870 And to make the connection between those two bodies of work in MoMA 507 00:37:01,900 --> 00:37:03,818 on the occasion of the most important show 508 00:37:03,848 --> 00:37:07,003 you've made to date in your career would be a disaster. 509 00:37:07,033 --> 00:37:09,873 I think it's completely the wrong thing to do. Totally wrong. 510 00:37:09,903 --> 00:37:12,590 I would oppose it with every fiber of my being. 511 00:37:12,620 --> 00:37:15,170 - How about that? - Done! You're right. 512 00:37:15,512 --> 00:37:18,240 - I accept. - Done. - Ok, thanks. 513 00:37:18,270 --> 00:37:22,501 We've worked with 9 galleries now. And now Marina is such a giant. 514 00:37:23,005 --> 00:37:26,390 But Sean is the one that came when no one wanted to deal with... 515 00:37:26,568 --> 00:37:31,021 all the blurry problem... problems of having a performer artist in a... 516 00:37:31,644 --> 00:37:34,452 in a gallery context. 517 00:37:34,684 --> 00:37:36,478 Let me ask you a question. 518 00:37:36,704 --> 00:37:39,118 If you, if you do blue or, or... or red 519 00:37:40,669 --> 00:37:43,319 which you would choose? 520 00:37:43,349 --> 00:37:45,999 - Like, like first feeling you had. - Red. 521 00:37:47,519 --> 00:37:50,691 Klaus just choose blue but, but everybody want red. 522 00:37:51,212 --> 00:37:54,283 Obviously, performance is by its very nature ephemeral. 523 00:37:54,313 --> 00:37:56,915 So, what we did was that we very carefully selected 524 00:37:56,945 --> 00:37:59,356 one photograph to represent each performance 525 00:37:59,386 --> 00:38:02,757 and then we made those into editions and we sold them. 526 00:38:03,288 --> 00:38:04,417 That looks amazing. 527 00:38:04,447 --> 00:38:07,446 And we did them in very small editions. 528 00:38:07,871 --> 00:38:10,676 You have to remember this is 20-odd years ago, so... 529 00:38:11,073 --> 00:38:14,523 we were selling them for between $ 2,000 and $ 5,000 each. 530 00:38:15,781 --> 00:38:19,786 And now, you know, they're, they're very sought after and if you could find them 531 00:38:19,816 --> 00:38:22,676 they would be between $ 25,000 and $ 50,000 each. 532 00:38:22,706 --> 00:38:24,293 There's a certain drama to those pieces. 533 00:38:24,323 --> 00:38:26,587 The model that we created for Marina 534 00:38:26,617 --> 00:38:29,331 and the way that we created the market for her 535 00:38:29,361 --> 00:38:31,970 has become something of a standard 536 00:38:32,374 --> 00:38:34,524 that other people have looked at. 537 00:38:34,554 --> 00:38:35,750 So there's that. 538 00:38:48,763 --> 00:38:50,681 In the 70s with Ulay 539 00:38:50,711 --> 00:38:54,008 we took this such a radical decision to just live in the car. 540 00:38:54,306 --> 00:38:58,221 We don't need to pay telephone bills, electricity bills, rent bills. 541 00:38:58,579 --> 00:39:00,300 And we didn't have no money at all. 542 00:39:00,330 --> 00:39:03,364 But we didn't want to do anything else but performing. 543 00:39:03,394 --> 00:39:06,627 Igor, this is the van where I live. 544 00:39:07,466 --> 00:39:10,458 I live all this time and, 545 00:39:10,954 --> 00:39:14,581 two days ago, you said: "How cute!" And I said: "Cute is when it's in a museum 546 00:39:14,611 --> 00:39:17,607 but it was tough life. It was not cute at all." 547 00:39:18,074 --> 00:39:19,444 So, let's go inside. 548 00:39:20,427 --> 00:39:22,961 I didn't see this car for more than 30 years. 549 00:39:23,066 --> 00:39:24,928 And when arrive in the museum, 550 00:39:24,958 --> 00:39:27,807 it hits me completely unexpected like in my stomach. 551 00:39:28,330 --> 00:39:32,480 It was something that, that like an entire past life just rushing to me. 552 00:39:34,433 --> 00:39:36,010 We have to go in the countryside. 553 00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,940 We have to live with shepherds, milk the goats. 554 00:39:39,218 --> 00:39:41,909 We have to go with the empty bottle with mineral water 555 00:39:42,033 --> 00:39:44,777 and borrow gasoline on the stations. 556 00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:48,660 I knew every shower in every gasoline station in Europe. 557 00:39:48,827 --> 00:39:51,577 Anyway, I am very sentimental about this van. 558 00:39:53,331 --> 00:39:55,695 Oh, God. It really breaks my heart. 559 00:39:55,725 --> 00:39:57,631 Looking at this car inside. And how... 560 00:39:58,033 --> 00:39:59,252 really... 561 00:39:59,282 --> 00:40:03,033 how much belief and hope and innocence our life, 562 00:40:03,136 --> 00:40:05,192 you know, was dealing with in that time. 563 00:40:05,222 --> 00:40:07,822 This is incredible happy time of my life... 564 00:40:08,556 --> 00:40:09,412 in this place. 565 00:40:10,098 --> 00:40:13,438 It was everything I always wanted. The man I loved, and... 566 00:40:13,468 --> 00:40:16,177 and work together and be radical and 567 00:40:16,483 --> 00:40:18,834 not making any compromise whatsoever. 568 00:40:21,122 --> 00:40:23,322 And Two of us, and the dog and... 569 00:40:23,517 --> 00:40:24,667 and Universe. 570 00:40:25,511 --> 00:40:27,411 Show me that incredible road 571 00:40:28,140 --> 00:40:30,072 from living there to here. 572 00:40:30,967 --> 00:40:32,399 It's been long way. 573 00:40:36,185 --> 00:40:38,685 I have to go and put the show together. 574 00:40:39,581 --> 00:40:41,185 I have no time. 575 00:40:43,153 --> 00:40:46,053 Marina was knitting sweaters for the both of us. 576 00:40:46,405 --> 00:40:50,805 I was repairing the car. I drove the car all the time. Marina couldn't drive. 577 00:40:52,409 --> 00:40:56,929 So it was really basic, basic, basic, basic. Like modern nomads. 578 00:40:57,672 --> 00:40:59,423 But it was the best time. 579 00:40:59,803 --> 00:41:03,562 And from that, we got a lot of energy, a lot of power. 580 00:41:08,475 --> 00:41:11,525 - So this is Hudson River? - This is Hudson, yeah. 581 00:41:12,300 --> 00:41:14,350 Straight ahead. Red light stop. 582 00:41:18,575 --> 00:41:20,716 Green light go. 583 00:41:20,956 --> 00:41:24,153 Let's stop right here somewhere because I would like to drive now. 584 00:41:24,183 --> 00:41:28,383 It's my historical moment. I'm going to drive you. First time in my life. 585 00:41:28,596 --> 00:41:30,596 I'm willing to sit beside you. 586 00:41:36,629 --> 00:41:37,629 Wow, Ulay. 587 00:41:39,616 --> 00:41:42,519 We would never think it would come to this point. 588 00:41:42,549 --> 00:41:43,455 Ever. 589 00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:48,980 - Do we have light? - To the right. 590 00:41:49,091 --> 00:41:51,338 - No, do we have light? - Yeah, the light is on. 591 00:41:51,368 --> 00:41:53,898 - Oh, that is great. - I put the light on already. 592 00:41:53,928 --> 00:41:56,428 Is the brake down? Oh, brake is up. 593 00:41:56,458 --> 00:42:00,104 - Brake is up. Now it is down. - Thank you. I knew something was wrong. 594 00:42:03,992 --> 00:42:05,894 Let's go. Let's ride. 595 00:42:06,657 --> 00:42:08,775 You're going to be my hands now. 596 00:42:09,271 --> 00:42:13,169 Yeah, I was afraid so. Turn to the right a little more. 597 00:42:13,564 --> 00:42:17,264 Little more. Stop, stop. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, go, go, go, go. 598 00:42:17,294 --> 00:42:19,408 It's perfect. Perfect. Just perfect. 599 00:42:21,247 --> 00:42:22,297 Go further. 600 00:42:23,198 --> 00:42:26,220 One meter you can go, or we have to go through this door. 601 00:42:27,226 --> 00:42:31,316 Well, well, I'm a little shaky but I'm, you know, 602 00:42:31,550 --> 00:42:33,345 shaken but very much taken. 603 00:42:34,104 --> 00:42:35,604 OK, from 1-10, Ulay, 604 00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:38,887 - what do you think? 5? 605 00:42:38,917 --> 00:42:39,704 More. 606 00:42:39,734 --> 00:42:40,550 - 6? 607 00:42:40,580 --> 00:42:41,356 - More. 608 00:42:42,212 --> 00:42:44,812 - OK, we go for 7 1/2. - No, we go for 7. 609 00:42:45,083 --> 00:42:48,130 Yeah, we go for 7. 7 is a good number. 610 00:42:48,790 --> 00:42:49,459 Great. 611 00:42:57,850 --> 00:42:59,913 - Well done. - Well done. - Abramovic. 612 00:42:59,943 --> 00:43:00,993 Abramovic. 613 00:43:01,110 --> 00:43:03,110 Yeah, you, you work like hell. 614 00:43:03,243 --> 00:43:05,904 - That's the only thing I know. - That's true. 615 00:43:05,934 --> 00:43:08,934 I'm going to make zucchini sauce, with this pasta. 616 00:43:09,794 --> 00:43:13,444 Our relation was very much to do with the really male/female 617 00:43:13,895 --> 00:43:16,166 kind of separation of the duties. 618 00:43:16,196 --> 00:43:18,125 He would do everything with this external world 619 00:43:18,155 --> 00:43:21,438 you know, getting grants, finding the money, going to the bank. 620 00:43:21,557 --> 00:43:24,753 And I would do cleaning, washing, and taking care of the dog. 621 00:43:24,862 --> 00:43:27,799 And I remember when we split, I didn't have a bank account. 622 00:43:27,829 --> 00:43:30,029 I had no idea how that all worked. 623 00:43:30,577 --> 00:43:33,666 Took me a long time to learn everything from the zero. 624 00:43:34,459 --> 00:43:36,642 - And you have opener? - Yes. 625 00:43:37,193 --> 00:43:40,133 After our more simplistic life 626 00:43:40,589 --> 00:43:42,054 she became very ambitious. 627 00:43:42,084 --> 00:43:45,462 Both in the work and in the manifestation of her ambition. 628 00:43:45,617 --> 00:43:49,071 Meaning image and wealth. 629 00:43:51,259 --> 00:43:54,209 And I maybe went in a more stable, straight line 630 00:43:54,385 --> 00:43:55,735 after separation. 631 00:43:55,895 --> 00:43:59,106 And she climbed a huge mountain 632 00:43:59,893 --> 00:44:01,606 with a lot of success. 633 00:44:02,433 --> 00:44:05,614 Maybe it sounds strange, but I don't have the time to do this effort 634 00:44:05,770 --> 00:44:06,797 to make this... 635 00:44:07,927 --> 00:44:08,993 possible... 636 00:44:09,153 --> 00:44:10,203 for myself. 637 00:44:11,110 --> 00:44:13,693 But anyhow, I don't have to make it possible for myself, 638 00:44:13,723 --> 00:44:15,887 I'm just going to marry her. 639 00:44:16,727 --> 00:44:19,077 Is this OK if I make a little bit... 640 00:44:20,906 --> 00:44:22,709 - spicy? - Yes. 641 00:44:22,843 --> 00:44:24,360 Pepperoncini? 642 00:44:24,419 --> 00:44:27,119 There are not so many artists, I believe... 643 00:44:28,046 --> 00:44:29,316 who are working so hard, 644 00:44:30,029 --> 00:44:31,847 like Marina does. 645 00:44:31,951 --> 00:44:33,751 But she is always very... 646 00:44:34,168 --> 00:44:35,833 very elegant. 647 00:44:37,155 --> 00:44:38,155 And ... 648 00:44:38,696 --> 00:44:41,619 And I look... I look like a worker in the field. 649 00:44:41,649 --> 00:44:44,399 Of course I am a worker in the field of art. 650 00:44:44,602 --> 00:44:47,552 But I look like a worker but I do much less work. 651 00:44:50,456 --> 00:44:52,706 So, you know, you know what I mean. 652 00:44:54,641 --> 00:44:55,841 I'm just lazy. 653 00:45:01,193 --> 00:45:04,243 "Nightsea Crossing" consisted of a man and a woman 654 00:45:04,273 --> 00:45:06,643 sitting opposite each other on two chairs. 655 00:45:06,778 --> 00:45:08,230 Sitting motionless 656 00:45:08,365 --> 00:45:09,365 silent. 657 00:45:11,388 --> 00:45:12,388 Fasting. 658 00:45:14,458 --> 00:45:16,208 What it mainly was about, 659 00:45:16,543 --> 00:45:19,668 tremendous dislikes in Western society. 660 00:45:20,651 --> 00:45:22,951 Inactivity, inaction is discredited. 661 00:45:24,501 --> 00:45:28,319 Silence is discredited. And fasting is discredited. 662 00:45:28,423 --> 00:45:32,019 So these are the 3 things which could upset people pretty much, 663 00:45:32,049 --> 00:45:36,669 especially when you went for 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 664 00:45:37,185 --> 00:45:40,046 13, 14, 15, 16 days. 665 00:45:40,660 --> 00:45:43,559 Inactive, silent, fasting, 666 00:45:43,589 --> 00:45:45,959 absolutely motionless, 667 00:45:46,063 --> 00:45:47,913 which is almost impossible. 668 00:45:51,523 --> 00:45:55,255 We did "Nightsea Crossing" for 90 days, non-consecutive days. 669 00:45:55,373 --> 00:45:56,952 Once I stood up. 670 00:45:58,689 --> 00:45:59,839 I had enough. 671 00:46:02,205 --> 00:46:04,372 Woman can sit better than man 672 00:46:04,402 --> 00:46:05,852 because of anatomy. 673 00:46:07,149 --> 00:46:09,249 And I got up after 13 or 14 days 674 00:46:10,335 --> 00:46:11,685 because my ribs... 675 00:46:12,282 --> 00:46:14,532 were pushing so hard on my spleen 676 00:46:15,043 --> 00:46:17,688 that I went to the hospital and they said: 677 00:46:17,718 --> 00:46:19,968 "Well, you should stop fasting." 678 00:46:21,306 --> 00:46:24,075 I lost then already 24 pounds. 679 00:46:24,244 --> 00:46:26,113 So that was... 680 00:46:26,143 --> 00:46:29,007 just over the limit, I think, on my part. 681 00:46:29,126 --> 00:46:30,376 Once. 682 00:46:32,777 --> 00:46:34,915 One of the reasons that he said that he could not sit, 683 00:46:34,945 --> 00:46:37,413 he was so skinny that he was sitting on his bones 684 00:46:37,443 --> 00:46:39,438 and it was just penetrating through his skin. 685 00:46:39,468 --> 00:46:41,879 OK, Yogi guys do the same. But he didn't. 686 00:46:41,909 --> 00:46:44,826 So anyway, and then he said, "You have to stand up 687 00:46:44,856 --> 00:46:47,281 because performance can't be without me." 688 00:46:47,364 --> 00:46:49,212 And I, I didn't see the reason. 689 00:46:49,391 --> 00:46:52,249 That's why in this "Nightsea Crossing" I'm continue. 690 00:46:52,279 --> 00:46:54,119 I always... I'm continue, 691 00:46:54,149 --> 00:46:55,899 but there is empty chair. 692 00:47:08,176 --> 00:47:11,585 I never have had a relation with a woman, 693 00:47:11,817 --> 00:47:13,322 neither with a man, 694 00:47:13,450 --> 00:47:15,939 of such a degree of... 695 00:47:16,083 --> 00:47:17,828 symbiotic quality. 696 00:47:18,175 --> 00:47:20,575 So 12 years, well, we were burning up. 697 00:47:28,970 --> 00:47:31,085 The Marina-Ulay collaboration, 698 00:47:31,410 --> 00:47:34,641 in a simple, direct and profound way, 699 00:47:35,411 --> 00:47:37,611 expressed the male-female dynamic 700 00:47:38,890 --> 00:47:41,690 and then reaches this kind of epic conclusion 701 00:47:42,529 --> 00:47:44,930 with the walk on the Great Wall of China... 702 00:47:45,029 --> 00:47:46,899 called "The Lovers." 703 00:47:47,357 --> 00:47:49,172 It's beyond operatic 704 00:47:49,202 --> 00:47:50,602 in its proportion. 705 00:47:54,278 --> 00:47:55,537 "The Lovers, " 706 00:47:56,017 --> 00:47:59,367 in which Marina and Ulay walked the Great Wall of China, 707 00:48:00,229 --> 00:48:01,762 was an epic. 708 00:48:02,801 --> 00:48:05,894 The 3 months process of walking... 709 00:48:05,924 --> 00:48:07,772 towards each other... 710 00:48:09,083 --> 00:48:10,251 very simple, 711 00:48:10,813 --> 00:48:12,197 really pared down, 712 00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:14,710 and extraordinary in its clarity. 713 00:48:20,154 --> 00:48:23,884 This was the last of their Relation Works. 714 00:48:26,463 --> 00:48:27,637 And, of course, 715 00:48:27,667 --> 00:48:30,711 the way the Great Wall walk ended... 716 00:48:30,741 --> 00:48:32,641 was with their splitting up. 717 00:48:37,233 --> 00:48:40,687 We very soon become this great art couple 718 00:48:40,887 --> 00:48:43,914 and everybody was projecting like a perfect image. 719 00:48:43,944 --> 00:48:46,173 In reality, he was not happy with his position 720 00:48:46,203 --> 00:48:50,046 and somehow the more better pieces we'd been doing in the performance, 721 00:48:50,216 --> 00:48:53,567 the worse our relation will get in private. 722 00:48:54,865 --> 00:48:57,996 And later on, it's like his interest was different than my interest 723 00:48:58,026 --> 00:49:00,286 and he was really kind of experiencing life, 724 00:49:00,316 --> 00:49:02,666 go for drinking, go for the drugs. 725 00:49:02,889 --> 00:49:07,030 And then he became unfaithful, which was very hard for me. 726 00:49:08,272 --> 00:49:10,337 We were monogamous. 727 00:49:10,367 --> 00:49:12,062 Till a certain point 728 00:49:12,166 --> 00:49:16,031 when the tightness of that ideology 729 00:49:16,061 --> 00:49:17,611 started to unravel, 730 00:49:18,477 --> 00:49:19,627 started to... 731 00:49:21,342 --> 00:49:22,994 disintegrate a little bit. 732 00:49:24,484 --> 00:49:26,903 Then she had at the same time... 733 00:49:26,933 --> 00:49:29,767 a sexual adventure with somebody like I had. 734 00:49:30,757 --> 00:49:31,995 The same time. 735 00:49:32,817 --> 00:49:35,867 Except she did it with a friend of ours. I didn't. 736 00:49:36,237 --> 00:49:37,237 Wow. 737 00:49:37,542 --> 00:49:39,392 I shouldn't have said that. 738 00:49:45,373 --> 00:49:48,528 Took us about 8 years of negotiations to get permission 739 00:49:48,558 --> 00:49:50,060 to walk the Chinese Wall, 740 00:49:50,090 --> 00:49:52,883 and during the negotiations, many times he had to take a trip to China. 741 00:49:52,913 --> 00:49:54,537 And she was a translator. 742 00:49:54,939 --> 00:49:58,942 And when we finished Chinese walk, he told me that she was pregnant. 743 00:49:59,046 --> 00:50:01,993 And he asked me, "What I should do?" And I said, "What you should do..." 744 00:50:02,023 --> 00:50:04,973 you know, I leave and you do whatever you want." 745 00:50:05,831 --> 00:50:07,882 So, they married. 746 00:50:09,234 --> 00:50:13,149 It is like, you know, like it began. It ended like it began. 747 00:50:13,179 --> 00:50:16,331 It began like this and it ended like this. 748 00:50:18,465 --> 00:50:19,515 That's all. 749 00:50:24,430 --> 00:50:26,377 After I split with Ulay 750 00:50:26,407 --> 00:50:29,207 it was the most dramatic moment of my life. 751 00:50:29,337 --> 00:50:32,443 I remember writing in my diary, I was 40, 752 00:50:32,853 --> 00:50:34,853 I was fat, ugly, and unwanted. 753 00:50:35,945 --> 00:50:39,922 And I said, God, I lost man I love and I lost my work 754 00:50:39,952 --> 00:50:41,427 because it was working together. 755 00:50:41,457 --> 00:50:43,691 It was nothing there. It was empty. 756 00:50:43,956 --> 00:50:47,453 And I was like, new beginning or I am going to totally, you know, 757 00:50:47,483 --> 00:50:50,033 go down and destroy myself in depression. 758 00:50:52,163 --> 00:50:56,413 And this was the moment that I went first time get some money in Paris 759 00:50:56,504 --> 00:50:59,386 and I bought first designer clothes. 760 00:50:59,723 --> 00:51:02,318 And I felt so good. I went to hairdresser, 761 00:51:02,626 --> 00:51:04,776 I went to the pedicure, manicure. 762 00:51:05,206 --> 00:51:06,500 I was like, wow. 763 00:51:06,832 --> 00:51:09,369 Wow, so what is, like, price for this kind of jacket? 764 00:51:09,399 --> 00:51:11,552 This is unpayable. You can't pay this. 765 00:51:12,011 --> 00:51:15,444 Price... the price of couture, they start from 8,000 to... 766 00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:18,536 can go to 200,000 300,000 400,000 Euro. 767 00:51:18,566 --> 00:51:20,893 - Depends. - Yeah, depends on the pieces. 768 00:51:20,929 --> 00:51:24,773 And all this stuff, you know, I made all this work. I, I'm fine. 769 00:51:24,941 --> 00:51:27,191 Why not feel good and wanted again? 770 00:51:27,761 --> 00:51:31,297 And, and since then, I really say, "Oh, God, I really love fashion." 771 00:51:31,327 --> 00:51:34,453 And, and it was a kind of secret desire. 772 00:51:34,862 --> 00:51:36,737 I mean, this looks amazing. 773 00:51:37,151 --> 00:51:39,323 What do you think? Really. Wow. 774 00:51:40,444 --> 00:51:44,004 Being a performance artist in the seventies to mid-eighties is poverty. 775 00:51:44,580 --> 00:51:46,056 Point. Full-stop. 776 00:51:47,915 --> 00:51:51,540 Bye-bye, extremes. 777 00:51:54,432 --> 00:51:57,682 After we broke off, she got into theater productions 778 00:51:58,825 --> 00:52:00,525 because there was money. 779 00:52:04,318 --> 00:52:07,618 Bye-bye, Ulay! 780 00:52:10,519 --> 00:52:14,779 I mean, the new works of her, a highly formalist aesthetic. 781 00:52:18,452 --> 00:52:21,652 So she clearly had made a step to the theater world. 782 00:52:23,305 --> 00:52:24,949 Very much staged. 783 00:52:25,170 --> 00:52:27,026 With theatrical touch to it. 784 00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:36,618 Marina is a much more theatrical, a much more emotional, a much more... 785 00:52:37,859 --> 00:52:39,285 dramatic artist... 786 00:52:40,049 --> 00:52:42,286 than this show shows. 787 00:52:45,830 --> 00:52:50,105 The risk at the MoMA exhibition will be... 788 00:52:50,865 --> 00:52:54,101 how far it goes into being theatrical. 789 00:52:56,434 --> 00:52:58,559 Marina often says there's a difference: 790 00:52:58,589 --> 00:53:01,745 when you perform, you have a knife and it's your blood; 791 00:53:02,234 --> 00:53:05,430 when you are acting, it's ketchup and you don't cut yourself. 792 00:53:06,941 --> 00:53:09,298 If we lose that in the MoMA performance, 793 00:53:09,328 --> 00:53:12,593 if it's just a fake knife and ketchup, then we lost. 794 00:53:24,481 --> 00:53:26,181 I've been in bed 6 days. 795 00:53:28,611 --> 00:53:30,451 In bed, that's it. 796 00:53:32,781 --> 00:53:36,634 Shit, shit, shit, shit. I didn't leave this bed since 6 days now. 797 00:53:38,118 --> 00:53:40,132 I was so desperate, I was taking everything. 798 00:53:40,162 --> 00:53:42,512 Anything anybody bring me, I take it. 799 00:53:42,958 --> 00:53:45,122 But then I discovered this syrup with Codeine. 800 00:53:45,152 --> 00:53:46,730 This is amazing stuff. 801 00:53:47,226 --> 00:53:50,411 I never take drugs but the Codeine really makes you happy. 802 00:53:50,687 --> 00:53:52,755 I slept like a baby yesterday, actually, 803 00:53:52,785 --> 00:53:55,383 With a smile through all night on my face. 804 00:53:56,377 --> 00:53:57,259 Like idiot. 805 00:53:58,323 --> 00:54:00,049 Anyway, there I am. 806 00:54:00,359 --> 00:54:01,908 I think red is very good here, 807 00:54:01,938 --> 00:54:04,053 because I always think that red gives strength. 808 00:54:04,083 --> 00:54:07,733 So if I have red color, red bed sheets, red shawl, red pajama, 809 00:54:08,597 --> 00:54:11,097 red oranges, I, I maybe get better soon. 810 00:54:14,256 --> 00:54:15,011 OK. 811 00:54:16,956 --> 00:54:18,378 That was my monologue. 812 00:54:28,477 --> 00:54:30,177 How are you doing today? 813 00:54:30,581 --> 00:54:33,525 Shit hit the fan, that's how. 814 00:54:35,810 --> 00:54:37,939 I'm really freaking out. There's no show. 815 00:54:37,969 --> 00:54:39,643 We're, we're getting ready. 816 00:54:39,812 --> 00:54:42,662 Is it possible for Marina to see a projection? 817 00:54:42,734 --> 00:54:44,780 Let me see one projection. Any kind. 818 00:54:44,810 --> 00:54:47,137 - We don't have power. - Huh? - We don't have power. 819 00:54:47,167 --> 00:54:50,480 And we don't even have the source to play them on anyway. 820 00:54:50,510 --> 00:54:53,361 Or the players. Sorry. Not yet. 821 00:54:54,504 --> 00:54:56,815 There's nothing. There's nothing. 822 00:54:56,845 --> 00:55:00,378 I mean, it's 5 days before the show. Looks like there's no show. 823 00:55:01,199 --> 00:55:03,699 What makes me most nervous is this room. 824 00:55:04,630 --> 00:55:07,233 The walls are not even in place. 825 00:55:08,217 --> 00:55:10,813 - Can we start rehearsals? - Yeah. -That's the most important. 826 00:55:10,843 --> 00:55:12,553 Can we get everybody there? 827 00:55:12,583 --> 00:55:13,962 Please come. Hello. 828 00:55:13,992 --> 00:55:16,623 Ahhh... yes, fine. Come. 829 00:55:19,184 --> 00:55:22,634 So can we sit down two seconds? I wanted to see everybody. 830 00:55:24,984 --> 00:55:25,984 Ok 831 00:55:31,472 --> 00:55:32,360 Hello. 832 00:55:33,204 --> 00:55:37,154 It's so different than our workshop in the countryside, I tell you. 833 00:55:37,184 --> 00:55:38,226 I'm going through hell. 834 00:55:38,256 --> 00:55:41,435 And you know, one thing is so important to be open about all this shit 835 00:55:41,465 --> 00:55:44,930 because it's like I can't pretend now I am in Zen shit, but I am not 836 00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:49,110 And also, you know, I didn't even have personal contact with any of you. 837 00:55:49,358 --> 00:55:53,160 I have to trust you with my life, for this show, for this 3 months. 838 00:55:53,190 --> 00:55:55,692 There's no other way. Because it's like, you know... 839 00:55:55,722 --> 00:55:59,422 I have to be really, have all my energy to make my own piece, 840 00:56:00,067 --> 00:56:02,617 knowing that everything is fine upstairs. 841 00:56:10,614 --> 00:56:13,577 Thank you very much for coming to MoMA tonight. 842 00:56:13,886 --> 00:56:17,149 I'm the curator for the Marina Abramovic retrospective. 843 00:56:18,162 --> 00:56:20,967 And that said, I would like to introduce Marina. 844 00:56:30,402 --> 00:56:32,843 So... Thank you very much to Marina. 845 00:56:32,873 --> 00:56:36,101 We thought we should open the podium for questions. 846 00:56:36,366 --> 00:56:39,576 One last chance to ask her something directly, 847 00:56:39,817 --> 00:56:42,226 otherwise you have to wait until June. 848 00:56:43,203 --> 00:56:47,377 I suggest it's so late, let's have 3 real good questions. 849 00:56:48,433 --> 00:56:50,255 - And at least one personal. 850 00:56:50,285 --> 00:56:52,072 - How do we know that before? 851 00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:57,820 Personal question. You seem happy. Are you? 852 00:57:00,206 --> 00:57:02,079 Depends. 853 00:57:02,336 --> 00:57:06,586 You know, so what I can say, I just... I'm very happy that I am by myself 854 00:57:06,992 --> 00:57:10,978 because who I can live with to do this next 3 months what I want to do. 855 00:57:11,095 --> 00:57:13,422 There's no human being who will stay with me. 856 00:57:13,452 --> 00:57:16,952 Because I, because I'm like in a military drill, you know. 857 00:57:17,199 --> 00:57:19,782 I'm in this real complete concentration 858 00:57:19,812 --> 00:57:21,812 about doing this 3 months' work. 859 00:57:21,842 --> 00:57:24,677 Because it looks like simple, I'm just in Atrium 860 00:57:24,707 --> 00:57:27,935 and having one position and a chair. But it's not like that. 861 00:57:27,965 --> 00:57:31,454 It's extremely difficult because you have to really be like a mountain. 862 00:57:31,484 --> 00:57:34,597 I want to create some kind of stillness in the middle of the... 863 00:57:34,627 --> 00:57:36,127 of the, of the hell. 864 00:57:36,250 --> 00:57:39,502 And... and for that, I have to be in right state of mind, 865 00:57:39,532 --> 00:57:42,178 so I have to restrict myself with everything. 866 00:57:42,208 --> 00:57:44,207 And it's winter. 867 00:57:44,237 --> 00:57:46,564 When I come out, it's going to be summer. 868 00:57:46,757 --> 00:57:49,761 Because that will be 31st of May. 869 00:57:55,020 --> 00:57:57,121 Marina is one of the most significant artists 870 00:57:57,151 --> 00:57:59,847 of the second part of the 20th century. 871 00:58:00,828 --> 00:58:03,988 What is so amazing about Marina is that she's really, you know... 872 00:58:04,018 --> 00:58:06,768 invents situations where nobody has been yet. 873 00:58:06,985 --> 00:58:08,477 Her practice is extreme. 874 00:58:08,507 --> 00:58:10,757 54 between Fifth and Sixth, please. 875 00:58:12,249 --> 00:58:15,143 In New York, tens if not hundreds of thousands of people 876 00:58:15,173 --> 00:58:18,277 will be invited to make an experience they've never made before. 877 00:58:26,090 --> 00:58:28,886 MoMA is the most significant context in the world 878 00:58:28,972 --> 00:58:31,398 for any living artist to make a show. 879 00:58:38,348 --> 00:58:42,552 I really see the chance that the performance art become mainstream art. 880 00:58:42,861 --> 00:58:46,840 And with this kind of show in the Museum Modern Art what never happened before, 881 00:58:47,087 --> 00:58:48,637 it's the big chance. 882 00:58:49,689 --> 00:58:52,439 That incredible feeling of responsibility... 883 00:58:52,834 --> 00:58:56,332 for performance in general. It's not just for myself. 884 00:59:00,653 --> 00:59:03,453 I'm feeling like Marie Antoinette going to... 885 00:59:04,580 --> 00:59:06,080 to cut her head off. 886 00:59:06,910 --> 00:59:09,634 The inability to keep going, 887 00:59:10,069 --> 00:59:12,236 the potential of giving up 888 00:59:12,626 --> 00:59:15,576 will become part of the performance if it occurs. 889 00:59:16,265 --> 00:59:18,237 It could be a fiasco. 890 00:59:18,380 --> 00:59:20,250 I mean, there are no rules. 891 00:59:25,745 --> 00:59:29,577 "The Artist Is Present" is a hugely courageous piece. 892 00:59:30,127 --> 00:59:32,722 Because it's a piece that can fail. 893 00:59:36,390 --> 00:59:37,790 Klaus... 894 00:59:38,170 --> 00:59:39,170 I love you. 895 00:59:40,096 --> 00:59:42,416 - Is this OK? - You look beautiful. 896 00:59:42,855 --> 00:59:43,855 Thank you. 897 01:00:37,851 --> 01:00:39,911 That was, uh, 5 years living. 898 01:00:42,508 --> 01:00:43,661 5 years living. 899 01:00:45,722 --> 01:00:47,022 Isn't it great? 900 01:00:47,549 --> 01:00:48,649 Yeah. It is. 901 01:01:14,977 --> 01:01:18,385 Yeah. That's the other one. 902 01:01:19,624 --> 01:01:21,224 They are simultaneous. 903 01:05:14,537 --> 01:05:17,820 Now, Ulay is not there. Now there is no life's partner. 904 01:05:18,964 --> 01:05:21,714 Now the audience is, in quotes, "her lover." 905 01:07:18,257 --> 01:07:21,318 You've been a very bad girl. A very... 906 01:07:21,470 --> 01:07:24,620 Well, that was Beyonce in a new video with Lady Gaga. 907 01:07:24,909 --> 01:07:28,554 And Sandy Rios does not like Lady Gaga's latest video. 908 01:07:28,794 --> 01:07:31,268 This should be outlawed. It should be banned, personally. 909 01:07:31,298 --> 01:07:33,505 There is a limit to what we should tolerate. 910 01:07:33,535 --> 01:07:37,224 You know, I find it interesting because you've got this Lady Gaga video out now 911 01:07:37,254 --> 01:07:41,593 and, and literally in today's "New York Post, " there's an article about... 912 01:07:42,007 --> 01:07:44,959 this exhibit at the Metropolitan Museum of Art 913 01:07:45,764 --> 01:07:49,057 where daring patrons squeeze through two live nude performers 914 01:07:49,473 --> 01:07:53,073 alternating couples, opposite and same-sex, who stand in a narrow doorway 915 01:07:53,103 --> 01:07:57,619 of the new exhibit, which is by some Yugoslavian-born provocateur. 916 01:07:58,151 --> 01:08:02,137 As you listen to the sound of this woman's constant, guttural screaming and moaning. 917 01:08:02,167 --> 01:08:05,274 That they say is art! And it's at MoMA! 918 01:08:11,904 --> 01:08:14,841 They want to film the galleries. No. Do we have an interview? No. 919 01:08:14,871 --> 01:08:19,521 I sent them the statement and our still images, like 4 images from the exhibition. 920 01:08:19,551 --> 01:08:21,352 You know, we're not trying to stop the coverage. 921 01:08:21,382 --> 01:08:23,960 We're just not going to have a circus going on. 922 01:08:23,990 --> 01:08:25,077 Inside. 923 01:09:44,942 --> 01:09:48,335 Friday we had some... some, you know, 924 01:09:48,365 --> 01:09:50,464 weirdos but... we were expecting it. 925 01:09:51,943 --> 01:09:56,402 It's a definite... some people is starting to understand that it's possibly a stage. 926 01:09:56,432 --> 01:10:00,114 You know, possibly an important window. 927 01:10:00,144 --> 01:10:02,150 The problem of the day was 928 01:10:02,180 --> 01:10:05,300 that we established a signal of emergency for Marina. 929 01:10:05,330 --> 01:10:07,482 So if she raise her hand... 930 01:10:07,709 --> 01:10:09,509 It could mean many things, 931 01:10:09,659 --> 01:10:12,867 but essentially it means, please ask the person that is sitting with me to leave 932 01:10:13,109 --> 01:10:14,374 - for some reason. - Yes. 933 01:10:14,404 --> 01:10:17,145 I don't feel comfortable. I am scared. I don't feel well. 934 01:10:17,280 --> 01:10:19,802 Many different reasons. Yeah. 935 01:10:20,845 --> 01:10:24,780 This thing that she's like sort of cleaning the, cleaning the thing. 936 01:10:24,810 --> 01:10:26,114 And then boom! 937 01:10:26,144 --> 01:10:28,944 It's like It reconnect and it's only for you. 938 01:10:29,476 --> 01:10:32,562 So each and every one, had like a clean 939 01:10:32,592 --> 01:10:35,142 unique and personal contact with Marina. 940 01:10:35,938 --> 01:10:37,592 Boom. Like a magnet. 941 01:10:52,706 --> 01:10:56,193 What is so beautiful about the MoMA performance... 942 01:10:57,393 --> 01:11:01,234 she's treating, actually, every human being she is encountered 943 01:11:01,453 --> 01:11:04,533 with the same attention and same respect. That's pretty shocking. 944 01:11:04,740 --> 01:11:07,570 And some people are... shocked by this 945 01:11:07,681 --> 01:11:11,681 and some people anyways think they deserve this attention, 946 01:11:11,865 --> 01:11:14,361 and they are finally where they should be. 947 01:11:14,836 --> 01:11:17,485 And others fall in love with her. 948 01:11:26,141 --> 01:11:30,437 There's so many different reasons why people come to sit in front of me. 949 01:11:34,432 --> 01:11:36,692 Some of them, they're angry. Some of them curious. 950 01:11:36,722 --> 01:11:39,444 Some of them just want to know what happen. 951 01:11:43,111 --> 01:11:44,735 Some of them... 952 01:11:44,765 --> 01:11:46,620 they're really open 953 01:11:46,803 --> 01:11:49,216 and you feel incredible pain. 954 01:11:51,231 --> 01:11:53,381 So many people have so much pain. 955 01:11:59,395 --> 01:12:02,852 When they're sitting in the front of me, it's not about me anymore. 956 01:12:05,834 --> 01:12:09,820 It's very soon, I'm just the mirror of their own self. 957 01:12:40,873 --> 01:12:44,638 Somebody told me the other day that for most masterpieces, 958 01:12:44,700 --> 01:12:47,350 people stand in front of it for 30 seconds. 959 01:12:47,433 --> 01:12:49,292 "Mona Lisa"... 30 seconds. 960 01:12:49,684 --> 01:12:52,323 People come and sit here all day. 961 01:12:58,589 --> 01:13:01,164 The world is moving so fast now. 962 01:13:01,915 --> 01:13:04,220 People barely have an attention span at all. 963 01:13:05,058 --> 01:13:07,803 She slows everybody's brain down. 964 01:13:09,009 --> 01:13:12,209 She asks us to stay there for quite a length of time, 965 01:13:12,644 --> 01:13:14,982 which we are not used to doing. 966 01:13:17,774 --> 01:13:21,070 She transforms us as a result. 967 01:13:32,438 --> 01:13:35,874 Marina's an artist that visualizes time. 968 01:13:37,487 --> 01:13:41,336 Using her body in the space with the audience. 969 01:13:44,511 --> 01:13:47,401 By the mere duration she brings time 970 01:13:47,736 --> 01:13:49,091 in as a weight. 971 01:13:49,749 --> 01:13:52,565 The weight on the performer's shoulders, 972 01:13:54,915 --> 01:13:58,115 taking a piece out of the performer's life as a value. 973 01:14:02,943 --> 01:14:05,551 Time is not an ephemeral just rushing by. 974 01:14:08,833 --> 01:14:10,283 Just imagine... 975 01:14:11,023 --> 01:14:12,023 time... 976 01:14:12,408 --> 01:14:15,709 as an unbearably large object you cannot move. 977 01:14:15,739 --> 01:14:17,816 And you are caught in. 978 01:15:37,042 --> 01:15:40,842 The performance is finished. We are closing the space. Thank you. 979 01:15:44,989 --> 01:15:46,351 We're closed. Thank you. 980 01:15:47,042 --> 01:15:49,296 - We open at 10:30 tomorrow. - My, my last one. 981 01:15:49,326 --> 01:15:51,629 No, no, no. Come back tomorrow. Be with me. 982 01:15:51,659 --> 01:15:54,759 - Come back tomorrow, OK? - You give me a chance? 983 01:15:54,836 --> 01:15:57,038 When you come back tomorrow, we'll talk about it. 984 01:15:57,068 --> 01:15:59,256 - You'll give me a chance. - No, I'm not give you a chance. 985 01:15:59,286 --> 01:16:01,838 - We'll talk about it tomorrow. - You said so. - No, I didn't say so. 986 01:16:01,868 --> 01:16:04,629 - I've got my witness. - Ladies, let's, let's move. 987 01:16:05,297 --> 01:16:08,430 You OK? You want me to get a wheelchair? 988 01:16:08,460 --> 01:16:10,536 No, no. My foot's asleep. 989 01:16:11,551 --> 01:16:13,350 It's coming back. Just give me a couple seconds. 990 01:16:13,380 --> 01:16:17,133 - OK. Hi, Tony. - I was sitting on the ground a long time. 991 01:16:54,723 --> 01:16:57,078 Kids, this is about limit. 992 01:16:59,117 --> 01:17:00,869 Even for me. 993 01:17:08,361 --> 01:17:09,161 Oh, God. 994 01:17:17,942 --> 01:17:21,247 It was strange today. I had this enormous pain 995 01:17:21,277 --> 01:17:23,821 but at the same time when announcement arrive, 996 01:17:24,352 --> 01:17:26,340 I was thinking it was, it was mistake. 997 01:17:26,370 --> 01:17:29,218 It was incredibly... I was expecting another 3 hours. 998 01:17:29,602 --> 01:17:32,007 I was thinking it was so short. 999 01:17:32,284 --> 01:17:33,712 I don't know. 1000 01:17:33,773 --> 01:17:35,538 - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Today. 1001 01:17:36,405 --> 01:17:38,069 I saw her having pain. 1002 01:17:38,099 --> 01:17:41,746 I saw and heard the guards saying that they are worried. 1003 01:17:42,353 --> 01:17:45,888 So, I say, "If you think you ruin your health; 1004 01:17:46,060 --> 01:17:48,213 "if you think you damage your body, 1005 01:17:48,879 --> 01:17:50,979 then I offer you officially now 1006 01:17:52,515 --> 01:17:53,672 to end the performance." 1007 01:17:53,702 --> 01:17:56,095 So, so painful. 1008 01:17:58,761 --> 01:18:02,846 She just say, "No, it would never be an option." So she was like... 1009 01:18:03,438 --> 01:18:06,994 not even considering it, not even listening to the end of my sentence. 1010 01:18:07,024 --> 01:18:10,611 She was just saying, "No, I would never, never consider this." 1011 01:18:36,752 --> 01:18:40,352 There is pain, but the pain is like a kind of keeping secret. 1012 01:18:41,853 --> 01:18:44,659 The moment you really go through the door of pain 1013 01:18:44,689 --> 01:18:46,939 you enter to another state of mind. 1014 01:18:53,252 --> 01:18:56,763 This feeling of beauty and unconditional love and this feeling of... 1015 01:18:56,793 --> 01:19:00,493 there is no kind of borders between your body and environment. 1016 01:19:02,380 --> 01:19:05,701 And you start having this incredible feeling of lightness... 1017 01:19:06,009 --> 01:19:07,689 and harmony with yourself 1018 01:19:08,678 --> 01:19:12,514 It's something become like a, like a holy. I can't explain. 1019 01:19:18,254 --> 01:19:22,075 And that other state of mind is exactly what public start feeling 1020 01:19:22,162 --> 01:19:24,524 that something is different. 1021 01:19:49,355 --> 01:19:51,712 Performance is all about state of mind. 1022 01:20:01,247 --> 01:20:03,532 The public is like a dog. 1023 01:20:03,562 --> 01:20:05,698 They can feel insecurity, they can feel fear, 1024 01:20:05,728 --> 01:20:07,828 they can feel you are not there. 1025 01:20:09,282 --> 01:20:12,978 So the idea is how you can bring performer and the audience 1026 01:20:13,591 --> 01:20:16,541 in the same state of consciousness, here and now. 1027 01:21:55,848 --> 01:21:58,469 - Would you... - Take this table. 1028 01:21:58,499 --> 01:22:01,499 - Would you move it with me? - Can I put this down? 1029 01:22:04,920 --> 01:22:07,652 What is under the, the feet? What is under it? 1030 01:22:08,591 --> 01:22:09,741 It's nothing. 1031 01:22:10,027 --> 01:22:11,751 It's just a little glue to keep it in position. 1032 01:22:11,781 --> 01:22:13,866 Stay, Marina. Don't move. 1033 01:22:24,064 --> 01:22:27,436 It's so interesting that I could not do without table in the first two months. 1034 01:22:27,466 --> 01:22:30,155 I need to have structure. I need to have the table. 1035 01:22:30,185 --> 01:22:33,311 And the table have to kept there until I really got to the point 1036 01:22:33,341 --> 01:22:37,091 - that I actually don't need the table. - Let's switch it off. 1037 01:22:39,463 --> 01:22:41,902 And once this table is removed, 1038 01:22:41,932 --> 01:22:44,716 - it's so much more direct. - I'm, I'm gonna open it for you. 1039 01:22:44,746 --> 01:22:47,657 How do you feel about it? What do you think is the difference? 1040 01:22:47,687 --> 01:22:50,695 The difference is that there is no buffer from security point of view 1041 01:22:50,725 --> 01:22:53,115 there is no buffer between two of them. 1042 01:22:53,145 --> 01:22:55,686 You know, like if somebody is going to do something 1043 01:22:55,716 --> 01:22:58,409 there's nothing preventing someone from doing something. 1044 01:22:58,439 --> 01:23:02,185 That's the only thing I feel but we're just going to instruct everyone 1045 01:23:02,215 --> 01:23:06,466 that has to sit in front of her that you cannot move, touch or do anything. 1046 01:23:10,095 --> 01:23:13,595 She makes herself so much more vulnerable. It's so much more direct. 1047 01:23:14,000 --> 01:23:17,969 There's no obstacle between her and the audience. So she was right. 1048 01:23:18,698 --> 01:23:20,578 Priest doesn't need the cross. 1049 01:24:53,001 --> 01:24:54,941 - Put your numbers out. - What is this? 1050 01:24:54,971 --> 01:24:58,711 This is the self-imposed number system for Marina Abramovic. 1051 01:25:00,754 --> 01:25:02,204 We are almost done. 1052 01:25:02,879 --> 01:25:04,868 You said this in April, too. 1053 01:25:06,029 --> 01:25:09,856 These are details. You cannot grab a few minutes here and there. 1054 01:25:10,777 --> 01:25:13,124 - Few minutes? - What's one month, year, 1055 01:25:13,228 --> 01:25:16,128 - one week here, one week there. - You bastard! 1056 01:25:17,023 --> 01:25:20,314 - Don't need to concentrate on the... - On the details. - The details. 1057 01:25:20,344 --> 01:25:21,913 - You need to... - Big picture. 1058 01:25:21,943 --> 01:25:25,013 - Keep focused on the big picture. - That's right. 1059 01:25:28,358 --> 01:25:29,558 OK, I am fine. 1060 01:25:31,881 --> 01:25:33,144 You're fine? 1061 01:25:36,388 --> 01:25:39,838 The museum is now open. Walk! Walk, please! Walk! Walk. 1062 01:25:50,336 --> 01:25:53,786 - I think I'm 5? - She's 5, I'm 4. 1063 01:25:54,909 --> 01:25:55,909 Allora 1064 01:25:56,123 --> 01:25:58,885 One... Two... Three 1065 01:26:05,998 --> 01:26:09,758 I stand in the line several days, and I didn't get...get in. 1066 01:26:09,788 --> 01:26:11,839 - You've been sitting there? - Yeah, yeah. 1067 01:26:11,869 --> 01:26:15,500 When? - Yesterday I was there at 5:00 in the morning. I didn't make it. 1068 01:26:16,421 --> 01:26:17,518 It's very... 1069 01:26:18,905 --> 01:26:21,091 now at the end, it's very competitive. 1070 01:26:26,343 --> 01:26:29,029 People camping out all night, and waiting, 1071 01:26:29,267 --> 01:26:34,214 it throws open the whole kind of rock star question. Performance star. And... 1072 01:26:35,524 --> 01:26:37,329 basically, a groupie question. 1073 01:26:37,620 --> 01:26:41,823 You know, I think what's fantastically interesting about her work and this work 1074 01:26:42,421 --> 01:26:44,313 is the blank slate aspect of it. 1075 01:26:44,436 --> 01:26:47,536 What it brings out in everyone from the art world, 1076 01:26:47,566 --> 01:26:50,922 people that claim they know the work very well... 1077 01:26:51,026 --> 01:26:53,364 - (Which one is she?) - people that are part of this vocabulary 1078 01:26:53,394 --> 01:26:54,863 and this language 1079 01:26:54,893 --> 01:26:57,048 and then outright strangers. 1080 01:26:57,078 --> 01:27:00,311 And people that come in and go, "Well, why is she doing this?" 1081 01:27:00,341 --> 01:27:04,102 And that's endlessly interesting because what you're really seeing is this 1082 01:27:04,507 --> 01:27:08,326 giant canvas also of projections. 1083 01:27:49,887 --> 01:27:52,569 Marina's connection to the audience 1084 01:27:53,708 --> 01:27:58,179 comes out of this extraordinary lack that she feels, or she felt as a child. 1085 01:28:02,294 --> 01:28:05,363 She desires to be loved, she desires to be needed. 1086 01:28:16,498 --> 01:28:19,315 Marina does have the experience 1087 01:28:19,345 --> 01:28:23,155 that she needs the audience 1088 01:28:23,428 --> 01:28:24,928 like air to breathe. 1089 01:28:27,944 --> 01:28:30,344 That's the gasoline she is running on. 1090 01:28:31,568 --> 01:28:34,568 She lives for her art. She lives for the audience. 1091 01:28:37,846 --> 01:28:39,196 When I met her... 1092 01:28:40,467 --> 01:28:43,214 I thought: "Oh, God, she's in love with me." 1093 01:28:43,714 --> 01:28:46,064 And it took me a while 1094 01:28:46,237 --> 01:28:49,239 to understand that she is in love with the world. 1095 01:28:49,943 --> 01:28:51,493 So it's not personal. 1096 01:28:51,671 --> 01:28:53,936 "Don't take it personal. I'm in love with the world. 1097 01:28:53,966 --> 01:28:56,082 I'm not in love only with you." 1098 01:28:57,266 --> 01:29:00,316 I realize she is repeating this misunderstanding 1099 01:29:00,667 --> 01:29:03,590 with every single person in the atrium. 1100 01:29:23,859 --> 01:29:25,109 You OK, Mom? 1101 01:29:27,455 --> 01:29:29,115 What's the matter? 1102 01:29:29,723 --> 01:29:31,473 I'm OK. I'm proud of you. 1103 01:29:36,009 --> 01:29:38,459 I don't know if the public idolize me. 1104 01:29:38,673 --> 01:29:42,523 It's, it's their own thing how they project, but it's not my aim. 1105 01:29:43,174 --> 01:29:47,124 It's like, you know, if you come to the certain point of your career 1106 01:29:47,563 --> 01:29:50,564 you are idolized, you have the money and you are famous, 1107 01:29:50,594 --> 01:29:53,747 but this is not the aim of the art. It's just a side effect. 1108 01:29:56,510 --> 01:29:58,110 It's like a B-product. 1109 01:29:59,460 --> 01:30:00,860 I love B-product! 1110 01:30:11,167 --> 01:30:15,015 In a way, like, everybody's around, and you're kind of aware of them, but... 1111 01:30:16,295 --> 01:30:18,902 the connection with Marina is so strong that it doesn't... 1112 01:30:18,932 --> 01:30:22,158 - Really pushes it away. - It's... - (Is she acting, do you feel?) 1113 01:30:22,188 --> 01:30:25,389 No, but it's that... I mean, if you say it's acting, it's... 1114 01:30:27,474 --> 01:30:29,982 only thing maybe that's similar is that there are people watching you. 1115 01:30:30,012 --> 01:30:33,094 The sacrifice of oneself for a performance, 1116 01:30:33,124 --> 01:30:36,472 it seems that that's always involved in acting. - Maybe. Maybe. 1117 01:30:36,502 --> 01:30:38,439 - Are you an actor? - Yeah, yeah. 1118 01:30:38,469 --> 01:30:41,569 OK. You have that sense of... you have that presence. 1119 01:30:41,809 --> 01:30:42,947 Yeah, good. 1120 01:30:44,457 --> 01:30:48,107 May I have your attention, please? The museum is now closed. 1121 01:30:48,662 --> 01:30:52,085 Please return your MoMA audio program units to the desk 1122 01:30:52,115 --> 01:30:55,015 on the ground floor and collect your belongings. 1123 01:31:12,889 --> 01:31:17,889 You know that Tunji told me that 750,000 people saw the show? 1124 01:31:18,823 --> 01:31:20,773 This is like almost million! 1125 01:31:22,647 --> 01:31:26,730 I feel like we should prolong it for some month more so we can get the million. 1126 01:31:32,957 --> 01:31:36,405 Let's go. Let's go. This is for the, from the cook? The cook? 1127 01:31:36,435 --> 01:31:39,035 - Yes, yes, yes. - He's genius, this guy. 1128 01:31:42,038 --> 01:31:45,325 Who was this look, look, good-looking Asian man? 1129 01:31:46,683 --> 01:31:48,059 I like him. 1130 01:31:48,878 --> 01:31:53,447 Can we get some telephone numbers here? He was really nice. Sexy. 1131 01:31:54,325 --> 01:31:56,317 We are close to end! 1132 01:31:59,413 --> 01:32:01,335 After I saw Marina's exhibit the first time 1133 01:32:01,365 --> 01:32:04,715 I am, like, really inspired to get into performance art. 1134 01:32:04,770 --> 01:32:08,072 To make my own performance art and to... to do it. 1135 01:32:08,176 --> 01:32:12,045 And I feel like being here is actually, like, kind of a piece in itself, like... 1136 01:32:12,075 --> 01:32:14,636 dedicating this much commitment to her. 1137 01:32:17,419 --> 01:32:20,835 We are there, kids. Almost there. 1138 01:32:22,772 --> 01:32:26,622 Next time Saturday, I'm in the country. Which is really something. 1139 01:32:28,975 --> 01:32:31,675 I wish I had a number but I don't have one. 1140 01:32:31,913 --> 01:32:34,519 I came all the way from Australia to sit with Marina. 1141 01:32:34,549 --> 01:32:36,396 Do you need a number? 1142 01:32:42,422 --> 01:32:45,017 I am sad and happy... all together. 1143 01:32:52,525 --> 01:32:56,270 Marina, we're taking you past 53rd so you can see the queue. 1144 01:32:56,300 --> 01:32:57,680 For the last time. 1145 01:32:57,710 --> 01:33:00,415 They started, I think, Wednesday night, or Thursday night. 1146 01:33:00,445 --> 01:33:03,493 One girl had the great idea to come at... 1147 01:33:03,924 --> 01:33:05,623 around 10 P.M. 1148 01:33:05,784 --> 01:33:06,853 What? God. 1149 01:33:06,883 --> 01:33:10,197 And then for the day after, people just don't, they don't leave the place. 1150 01:33:10,227 --> 01:33:12,557 People that are like, they are up to sit. 1151 01:33:12,587 --> 01:33:16,044 They just get out of the museum and sit in front until the morning. 1152 01:33:33,710 --> 01:33:36,689 My God, this is amazing. This is the last day, you know. 1153 01:33:37,199 --> 01:33:39,886 I don't think anybody imagined... this. 1154 01:33:40,184 --> 01:33:43,611 What time is now? What time? It's now 10:13... 10:15. 1155 01:33:43,715 --> 01:33:46,281 - Can, can we do the chairs? - Sure. - We can do the chairs. 1156 01:33:46,311 --> 01:33:49,333 We already... we are already planning. I know what to do. 1157 01:33:49,509 --> 01:33:52,513 I'll give ya a piece of paper and then we'll do 15-minute intervals. 1158 01:33:52,543 --> 01:33:54,789 You'll just go out, tap the person on the shoulder 1159 01:33:54,819 --> 01:33:56,408 and tell them their time is expired. 1160 01:33:56,438 --> 01:33:58,235 Your time is up. Performance is over. 1161 01:33:58,265 --> 01:34:00,330 The museum is not going to open until 10:30. 1162 01:34:00,360 --> 01:34:02,469 But we are going to let 40 people in. 1163 01:34:02,791 --> 01:34:05,789 If you are not planning to sit in front of Marina, you don't have to come in now 1164 01:34:05,819 --> 01:34:09,580 You can wait until we open the museum so that we can give enough people... 1165 01:34:43,399 --> 01:34:46,534 21 times sitting with Marina has this powerful meaning 1166 01:34:47,328 --> 01:34:50,467 Were you expecting to be transformed or did you just 1167 01:34:50,497 --> 01:34:52,540 No, it was just, when I saw it the first time, I came 1168 01:34:52,570 --> 01:34:54,934 and, you know, wanted to experience it and then, 1169 01:34:54,964 --> 01:34:57,334 you know, everything, everything happened. 1170 01:35:29,770 --> 01:35:31,170 Get him back down. 1171 01:35:36,400 --> 01:35:40,791 We have come to sit with Marina, Whore of Babylon, and confess. 1172 01:35:41,551 --> 01:35:45,225 Speech superfluous, pure form against pure form, 1173 01:35:45,721 --> 01:35:48,368 the reflection of an emptiness full of value. 1174 01:35:48,870 --> 01:35:52,706 We have come as the last spectators before the Crucifixion. 1175 01:35:53,281 --> 01:35:55,942 We sit as Apostles at her table. 1176 01:35:56,412 --> 01:35:59,546 And our nonchalance betrays her. 1177 01:36:01,042 --> 01:36:03,525 And look, it's like, it's a matter of time 1178 01:36:03,555 --> 01:36:06,273 before firing someone in the face is gonna be art. 1179 01:36:10,345 --> 01:36:12,812 You're going to sit across from the artist in silence. 1180 01:36:12,842 --> 01:36:15,783 There are no distractions distractions of any sort. 1181 01:36:16,397 --> 01:36:19,738 No gestures, don't speak to the artist, don't move your hands. 1182 01:36:19,768 --> 01:36:22,018 - What's the matter? Are you all right? - Yeah. - You nervous? 1183 01:36:22,048 --> 01:36:23,916 - We've been waiting 16 hours. - OK, well... 1184 01:36:23,946 --> 01:36:25,865 your moment is coming up shortly. 1185 01:36:25,895 --> 01:36:28,135 All right, I'll let you know. Thank you. 1186 01:37:14,982 --> 01:37:16,091 Yep. Let's go. 1187 01:37:20,809 --> 01:37:21,809 Just finish 1188 01:37:21,839 --> 01:37:24,426 OK, we need... we need somebody sitting, please 1189 01:37:24,627 --> 01:37:26,997 Come on, let's go. I know, I know, I know. 1190 01:37:27,599 --> 01:37:30,956 We need to get... the performance needs to continue. Then you've got to wait for Tunji. 1191 01:37:30,986 --> 01:37:33,222 Really? We need... the performance needs to continue. 1192 01:38:33,483 --> 01:38:36,939 I think there's maybe still hope that I'll get upstairs so I'm like, I don't know 1193 01:38:36,969 --> 01:38:39,119 if you guys should be filming me. 1194 01:38:40,072 --> 01:38:41,072 So... 1195 01:38:41,352 --> 01:38:43,214 I would love to just sit across from her. 1196 01:38:43,244 --> 01:38:45,952 I mean, I didn't know it was a rule. I didn't realize. 1197 01:38:45,982 --> 01:38:49,806 And I would have obvi... I would have obeyed the rule if I had known. 1198 01:38:49,836 --> 01:38:52,608 But I wanted it to be spontaneous. I didn't want anybody to know. 1199 01:38:52,638 --> 01:38:55,706 You know, I wanted it to be like my own thing and special with her. 1200 01:38:55,736 --> 01:38:59,141 And I thought in that space, in that square, like, you get your own, 1201 01:38:59,171 --> 01:39:01,891 you know, it's like the, the audience is part of the art. 1202 01:39:01,921 --> 01:39:04,093 You know, and, and, and we bring to it, 1203 01:39:04,123 --> 01:39:08,276 and I just wanted to be as vulnerable to her as she makes herself to everyone else. 1204 01:39:13,331 --> 01:39:16,092 I actually think the exhibition is a self-portrait. 1205 01:39:16,232 --> 01:39:19,783 That's her. There she sits and she gives it all. 1206 01:39:24,032 --> 01:39:26,532 She always talks about the here and now. 1207 01:39:26,859 --> 01:39:31,122 But this piece, the title, "Marina Abramovic: The Artist Is Present" 1208 01:39:31,152 --> 01:39:32,802 that's a self-portrait. 1209 01:39:40,156 --> 01:39:42,406 She did create a charismatic space. 1210 01:39:42,965 --> 01:39:45,675 A little rent in the fabric of the universe 1211 01:39:45,773 --> 01:39:48,607 that was wholly her own that she occupied. 1212 01:39:49,969 --> 01:39:53,269 And she did it in a room filled with many, many people. 1213 01:39:53,421 --> 01:39:56,913 And many, many people felt that charismatic space... 1214 01:39:56,943 --> 01:39:58,093 as a reality. 1215 01:39:59,233 --> 01:40:01,533 That's an extraordinary achievement. 1216 01:40:02,305 --> 01:40:08,555 Support us and become VIP member to remove all ads from www.OpenSubtitles.org