1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:20,585 - Tommie, would you explain 4 00:00:20,716 --> 00:00:22,718 to the people of America exactly 5 00:00:22,848 --> 00:00:24,720 what you did and why you did it? 6 00:01:00,582 --> 00:01:04,847 - For 50 years everyone has viewed 7 00:01:06,805 --> 00:01:08,981 that fist as black power. 8 00:01:27,478 --> 00:01:30,873 It was from a youth who believed that 9 00:01:31,003 --> 00:01:35,878 it was a stand for human rights from a black man. 10 00:02:34,676 --> 00:02:36,634 - A single image has the power to change the 11 00:02:36,765 --> 00:02:38,810 world by proving to you that something's possible. 12 00:02:45,513 --> 00:02:48,255 I first saw the image of Tommie's salute 13 00:02:48,385 --> 00:02:50,474 in a civil rights history book when I was in high school. 14 00:02:50,561 --> 00:02:51,649 And it made such an impact on me 15 00:02:51,780 --> 00:02:54,043 that I had a small picture of it taped 16 00:02:54,174 --> 00:02:56,524 to the lower corner of my iMac in the studio. 17 00:02:56,654 --> 00:02:58,134 And a friend of mine walked in and then he said, 18 00:02:58,265 --> 00:03:00,136 "Coach Smith, do you wanna meet him?" 19 00:03:00,267 --> 00:03:01,920 Now, I didn't know if Tommie was alive, 20 00:03:02,007 --> 00:03:03,618 but coach is only a name that you call someone 21 00:03:03,705 --> 00:03:05,446 who you actually know who's been your coach. 22 00:03:05,576 --> 00:03:08,275 So I booked two tickets right then. 23 00:03:08,405 --> 00:03:10,668 And then we flew out to go see Tommie at his home. 24 00:03:10,799 --> 00:03:12,583 When we got there, Tommie shook my head at the door, 25 00:03:12,670 --> 00:03:14,803 graciously, sat me on his couch, 26 00:03:14,933 --> 00:03:17,545 put in a VHS tape and played the race 27 00:03:17,675 --> 00:03:19,416 and narrated everything he was thinking to me 28 00:03:19,547 --> 00:03:22,027 step by step all the way through the win, 29 00:03:22,158 --> 00:03:23,812 and to the victory stand. 30 00:03:28,338 --> 00:03:29,774 But there's nothing that you regret? 31 00:03:29,905 --> 00:03:30,732 - No. 32 00:03:30,862 --> 00:03:31,515 - I had to ask. 33 00:03:31,602 --> 00:03:32,951 - Yeah, you had to ask. 34 00:03:33,082 --> 00:03:34,214 - That's how you get real stories. 35 00:03:34,344 --> 00:03:36,868 - Yeah. 36 00:03:36,999 --> 00:03:39,001 Is there anything you regret about that moment? 37 00:03:39,131 --> 00:03:41,438 - Yeah, well, no. 38 00:03:41,569 --> 00:03:44,267 But I can give you a reason why it could have been very 39 00:03:44,354 --> 00:03:46,965 fatally regretful, and it is, 40 00:03:47,096 --> 00:03:50,055 is me having to do it at all. 41 00:03:50,186 --> 00:03:52,623 - The real content of any kind of 42 00:03:52,754 --> 00:03:55,887 revolutionary thrust lies in the principles 43 00:03:56,018 --> 00:03:57,628 and the goals that you're striving for. 44 00:03:57,715 --> 00:03:59,369 Not in the way you reach them. 45 00:03:59,500 --> 00:04:02,503 - I do not approve of violence, 46 00:04:02,633 --> 00:04:05,419 whether it is perpetrated by racists 47 00:04:05,506 --> 00:04:07,464 or whether it's perpetrated by Negros. 48 00:04:07,551 --> 00:04:11,033 - We want freedom by any means necessary. 49 00:04:11,163 --> 00:04:14,123 We want justice by any means necessary. 50 00:04:14,210 --> 00:04:16,821 We want equality by any means necessary. 51 00:04:16,908 --> 00:04:18,867 - We were dealing with equality. 52 00:04:18,997 --> 00:04:21,173 We were dealing with racism. 53 00:04:21,304 --> 00:04:24,046 We were dealing with being a part, 54 00:04:24,176 --> 00:04:28,311 but not have having a voice. 55 00:04:28,442 --> 00:04:32,402 And it needed capsulated for me, with my running. 56 00:04:32,489 --> 00:04:36,580 My running became my voice. 57 00:04:38,190 --> 00:04:39,017 - at the second, 58 00:04:39,148 --> 00:04:40,280 Tommie smith moving up. 59 00:04:42,499 --> 00:04:45,110 - Being an all American in high school, in basketball, 60 00:04:45,241 --> 00:04:48,897 football, and track, there were a lot of schools after me, 61 00:04:49,027 --> 00:04:52,248 but I was recruited for basketball. 62 00:04:52,335 --> 00:04:54,990 In fact the basketball coach came down to my home, 63 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:56,426 came inside of the house. 64 00:04:56,557 --> 00:04:58,341 That didn't happen to the Smith family. 65 00:04:58,472 --> 00:05:01,170 A white man coming into our house? 66 00:05:01,301 --> 00:05:02,476 But I thought it was admirable 67 00:05:02,606 --> 00:05:04,260 for him coming and doing this. 68 00:05:04,391 --> 00:05:06,218 So I chose San Jose because of that. 69 00:05:08,133 --> 00:05:10,484 Speech city, 1968, 70 00:05:10,614 --> 00:05:13,922 we were some bad men. 71 00:05:14,009 --> 00:05:18,230 In fact, in this picture there's about six world records. 72 00:05:20,885 --> 00:05:21,973 - Smith begins to pour it on, 73 00:05:22,104 --> 00:05:23,366 and forges to the front. 74 00:05:23,497 --> 00:05:24,802 He literally flies toward the tape. 75 00:05:26,064 --> 00:05:27,283 - Coming out of high school. 76 00:05:27,414 --> 00:05:28,110 I didn't know nothing. 77 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:29,329 I was just running. 78 00:05:30,765 --> 00:05:33,507 I wanted to go to the Olympic games 79 00:05:33,637 --> 00:05:36,553 because so many great athletes had gone before. 80 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:39,600 As far as the athletic community is concerned, 81 00:05:39,730 --> 00:05:43,604 I am preparing myself for the Mexico feat. 82 00:05:45,301 --> 00:05:46,563 The number of races I had to run 83 00:05:46,694 --> 00:05:47,564 to get on the Olympic team 84 00:05:47,695 --> 00:05:49,610 was every race I ran in college. 85 00:05:52,613 --> 00:05:55,050 So you got hundreds of races you're running 86 00:05:55,180 --> 00:05:57,313 before you make the Olympic team. 87 00:05:59,968 --> 00:06:02,187 Thousands of people at the beginning of the year 88 00:06:02,318 --> 00:06:04,538 came down to three people. 89 00:06:04,668 --> 00:06:09,238 Lee Evans, John Carlos, and me. 90 00:06:10,979 --> 00:06:12,415 - How do you feel the US can come out 91 00:06:12,546 --> 00:06:15,418 in the 200 meters in Mexico city? 92 00:06:15,549 --> 00:06:18,247 - I think the field we had two days ago 93 00:06:18,378 --> 00:06:20,597 is one of the greatest fields that the world has ever known. 94 00:06:22,773 --> 00:06:24,471 And I think we can duplicate it in Mexico city. 95 00:06:28,779 --> 00:06:29,954 Coming out of high school 96 00:06:30,085 --> 00:06:33,218 and going to San Jose state opened my eyes 97 00:06:33,349 --> 00:06:36,396 to a lot of things going on around me. 98 00:06:38,354 --> 00:06:40,574 Black athletes were expected 99 00:06:40,704 --> 00:06:43,359 to perform and shut up 100 00:06:43,490 --> 00:06:47,102 but I wanted to do something different. 101 00:06:47,232 --> 00:06:49,670 So I could serve those who didn't have a platform. 102 00:06:49,757 --> 00:06:51,323 Politics is a part of everything. 103 00:06:51,411 --> 00:06:52,194 And athletics is no exception. 104 00:06:55,110 --> 00:06:57,373 Lee Evans approached me one day on campus and says 105 00:06:57,504 --> 00:06:59,506 "Smith, Smith, you haven't been come to the meetings." 106 00:06:59,593 --> 00:07:00,332 And I said, "Lee, what meetings?" 107 00:07:03,248 --> 00:07:05,773 He said, "Harry Edwards having meetings on campus, 108 00:07:05,860 --> 00:07:09,864 black athletes, possible boycott by the Olympic team. 109 00:07:09,994 --> 00:07:11,866 - we're not talking about a few metals. 110 00:07:11,996 --> 00:07:13,650 We're not talking about the Olympics. 111 00:07:13,781 --> 00:07:14,608 We're not out to destroy the United States in Olympics. 112 00:07:14,695 --> 00:07:17,262 We're talking about human rights. 113 00:07:17,393 --> 00:07:20,701 - It was the Olympic Project for Human Rights. 114 00:07:22,398 --> 00:07:24,095 It was about freedom. 115 00:07:24,226 --> 00:07:25,096 The cry for freedom. 116 00:07:26,794 --> 00:07:30,362 Why should we participate for a country 117 00:07:30,493 --> 00:07:34,018 and 100% effort and come back to our homes, 118 00:07:34,149 --> 00:07:36,194 and are denied some of the rights 119 00:07:36,281 --> 00:07:38,327 that should be given us legally. 120 00:07:40,068 --> 00:07:40,590 - You think the boycott 121 00:07:40,721 --> 00:07:42,505 will change all of this? 122 00:07:42,592 --> 00:07:44,072 - I won't say the boycott will change all this. 123 00:07:44,202 --> 00:07:45,421 Civil rights didn't change all this, 124 00:07:47,205 --> 00:07:50,687 but I will say it's one straw in the hay 125 00:07:50,818 --> 00:07:52,428 that will be pulled out and make the stack lighter. 126 00:07:54,952 --> 00:07:56,606 - Tom, when will come a determination, 127 00:07:56,737 --> 00:07:57,738 whether you, Lee Evans, and others 128 00:07:57,825 --> 00:08:02,264 will or will not boycott the Olympics. 129 00:08:03,744 --> 00:08:06,964 - I wish I could tell you 130 00:08:07,095 --> 00:08:09,227 - In the last meeting the boycott was called off. 131 00:08:10,402 --> 00:08:12,056 We decided that each athlete 132 00:08:12,143 --> 00:08:13,580 would represent themselves according to how they felt 133 00:08:13,710 --> 00:08:15,495 the country represented them. 134 00:08:15,625 --> 00:08:17,627 I would say the boycott is off. 135 00:08:17,758 --> 00:08:18,672 - Now, what about other things 136 00:08:18,802 --> 00:08:20,717 that might happen in Mexico city? 137 00:08:20,848 --> 00:08:22,502 - All I can say is you can expect almost anything. 138 00:09:12,856 --> 00:09:16,077 I had a lot of thinking to do. 139 00:09:16,164 --> 00:09:18,993 We carried a lot of emotion going down to Mexico. 140 00:09:38,490 --> 00:09:42,016 There were so many, many people in the stadium. 141 00:09:42,146 --> 00:09:44,671 I had never experienced that site before. 142 00:09:48,326 --> 00:09:50,894 - It was an extremely volatile time. 143 00:09:55,725 --> 00:09:59,686 - A far more violent time than people realized. 144 00:10:02,514 --> 00:10:03,646 - But now the troops are coming 145 00:10:03,733 --> 00:10:07,041 and you can hear what is sounds like. 146 00:10:07,171 --> 00:10:09,609 - There had been some shooting incidents 147 00:10:09,739 --> 00:10:13,047 involving students and police in Mexico city. 148 00:10:13,177 --> 00:10:16,267 and the Olympics were simply part of it. 149 00:10:19,619 --> 00:10:24,449 - There's three races: trials, the semis, and the finals. 150 00:10:24,580 --> 00:10:25,320 These are the three races that I ran in Mexico City. 151 00:10:26,974 --> 00:10:30,281 Trials was a good race in terms of 152 00:10:30,412 --> 00:10:32,240 coming out of the blocks, getting started good. 153 00:10:35,591 --> 00:10:37,593 Second race was a bit more formal. 154 00:10:40,857 --> 00:10:42,729 I worked harder on the turn. 155 00:10:47,298 --> 00:10:50,693 I crossed the finish line, winning the race, 156 00:10:50,824 --> 00:10:55,089 and I felt a sharp pain in the groin area, a sharp pain. 157 00:11:01,225 --> 00:11:02,574 I thought I had been shot. 158 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:08,624 But I looked down and I saw no blood. 159 00:11:08,755 --> 00:11:11,409 then I said, "Oh, it's a strained muscle." 160 00:11:15,065 --> 00:11:18,765 So I realized that I had a chance still, I had a chance but, 161 00:11:18,895 --> 00:11:23,204 I needed to ice it because that same day we ran the finals. 162 00:11:25,293 --> 00:11:26,860 So we ran the semis and the finals in the same day. 163 00:11:26,990 --> 00:11:29,863 - And another highlight of our shows 164 00:11:29,993 --> 00:11:31,691 will be the 200 meter finals featuring Tommie Smith, 165 00:11:31,821 --> 00:11:34,824 John Carlos and Larry Questad. 166 00:11:34,955 --> 00:11:36,130 The first show at seven eastern time, 167 00:11:36,260 --> 00:11:38,654 six central and again at eight Eastern 168 00:11:38,785 --> 00:11:40,264 and seven central. 169 00:11:40,395 --> 00:11:42,832 Chris Schenkel reporting from Mexico city. 170 00:11:42,963 --> 00:11:47,271 - This 1968 Olympic games in Mexico city 171 00:11:47,402 --> 00:11:49,883 was the first Olympic games in the history 172 00:11:50,013 --> 00:11:53,800 of the Olympics that was shown live around the world. 173 00:11:53,930 --> 00:11:57,455 So anything that happened in those games, 174 00:11:57,542 --> 00:11:59,153 they saw it firsthand. 175 00:12:08,336 --> 00:12:09,772 I watched the athletes', 176 00:12:09,903 --> 00:12:12,470 fastest men in the world there before my eyes. 177 00:12:12,557 --> 00:12:14,168 I'm the world record holder, but I'm injured. 178 00:12:16,474 --> 00:12:20,914 Fear is different for different people. 179 00:12:23,177 --> 00:12:26,920 My strength is my attitude of I can do this. 180 00:12:28,748 --> 00:12:29,574 And I crawled into the blocks, 181 00:12:33,143 --> 00:12:34,623 got my "on our marks" start. 182 00:12:38,801 --> 00:12:41,848 On your marks. 183 00:12:41,978 --> 00:12:43,632 Get set! 184 00:12:43,763 --> 00:12:45,939 Silence. 185 00:12:46,069 --> 00:12:49,246 My whole life kind of poured out 186 00:12:49,333 --> 00:12:52,119 all these hundreds of races that I ran to get there. 187 00:12:52,206 --> 00:12:53,555 And the gun sounded. 188 00:12:56,253 --> 00:12:57,385 - Here's Questad, it's a good start. 189 00:12:57,515 --> 00:13:00,475 And Carlos, as usual has burst out of the blocks. 190 00:13:00,605 --> 00:13:03,521 - First five steps I was in fifth or sixth place. 191 00:13:05,741 --> 00:13:08,788 Once we straighten up, then this was the real deal. 192 00:13:10,702 --> 00:13:12,443 I said, "Okay, this is it." 193 00:13:12,574 --> 00:13:13,575 And I started moving. 194 00:13:15,707 --> 00:13:17,927 High knees, raised shoulder, raise arms, 195 00:13:18,058 --> 00:13:19,320 started working more than any other 196 00:13:19,450 --> 00:13:20,974 race I had ran in my life. 197 00:13:21,104 --> 00:13:22,758 - Right now it's Carlos and Smith. 198 00:13:22,845 --> 00:13:23,628 And here comes Tommie Smith. 199 00:13:23,759 --> 00:13:24,542 - Then I heard the announcer say 200 00:13:24,673 --> 00:13:25,195 "And Tommie Smith has done it!" 201 00:13:25,326 --> 00:13:27,067 Then my arms went up. 202 00:13:27,197 --> 00:13:29,765 - Smith has done it, with his hands in the air. 203 00:13:47,348 --> 00:13:50,220 My next move would be immortalized in history 204 00:13:52,048 --> 00:13:54,442 because I knew something had to be done. 205 00:14:03,973 --> 00:14:06,976 After the race, we marched off, 206 00:14:07,107 --> 00:14:08,673 down in the dungeon where the athletes 207 00:14:08,804 --> 00:14:10,937 were processed to come out and receive their awards. 208 00:14:14,375 --> 00:14:17,465 - We want equality by any means necessary. 209 00:14:21,730 --> 00:14:24,994 - It is said, stop, look and listen. 210 00:14:25,125 --> 00:14:26,561 And most of all, wait, love will appear. 211 00:14:29,390 --> 00:14:30,608 - I do not approve of violence. 212 00:14:34,221 --> 00:14:38,225 - I had that in my system to rely on. 213 00:14:38,355 --> 00:14:40,444 The understanding that you are here for a reason, 214 00:14:40,575 --> 00:14:42,620 you've got to find out what it is yourself. 215 00:14:44,796 --> 00:14:46,102 - We're not out to destroy 216 00:14:46,233 --> 00:14:47,234 the United States in the Olympics. 217 00:14:47,364 --> 00:14:48,670 We're talking about human rights. 218 00:14:51,107 --> 00:14:52,717 - You gotta move to 219 00:14:52,848 --> 00:14:55,633 a purpose that you can understand. 220 00:15:01,813 --> 00:15:04,381 - We knew that at some point 221 00:15:04,512 --> 00:15:06,949 there was going to be a demonstration 222 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:10,213 by the African American athletes. 223 00:15:10,300 --> 00:15:12,346 We didn't know who, didn't know when. 224 00:15:12,476 --> 00:15:16,089 But those of us that were covering the event, 225 00:15:16,219 --> 00:15:17,786 were ready for anything at any time. 226 00:15:20,397 --> 00:15:21,181 The stadium was packed. 227 00:15:22,834 --> 00:15:25,837 The whole mood of the arena. 228 00:15:28,101 --> 00:15:29,754 There was a tension in the air. 229 00:15:33,236 --> 00:15:34,629 It was a very powerful night. 230 00:15:38,241 --> 00:15:40,417 It was a very controversial night. 231 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:49,861 - It had to be silent because there was no time to talk. 232 00:15:52,952 --> 00:15:55,258 My daddy used to do a prayer every night 233 00:15:55,389 --> 00:15:58,044 before going to bed, 234 00:15:58,174 --> 00:16:02,483 "Our father, which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name." 235 00:16:04,528 --> 00:16:06,617 And that's what I took to the victory stand with me. 236 00:16:06,748 --> 00:16:11,057 I was not afraid because of that prayer of protection. 237 00:16:23,156 --> 00:16:25,158 John Carlos and I were together then 238 00:16:25,288 --> 00:16:28,988 because we identified the need to stand together, 239 00:16:29,118 --> 00:16:30,902 make a stand. 240 00:16:32,817 --> 00:16:34,776 I turned to the flag. 241 00:16:34,906 --> 00:16:39,041 John turned. My fist went to the sky, 242 00:16:39,172 --> 00:16:41,870 my head bowed, and John followed. 243 00:17:59,904 --> 00:18:01,341 - I was at home. 244 00:18:01,471 --> 00:18:06,128 But I remember it like it was yesterday. 245 00:18:08,304 --> 00:18:12,700 I saw this tall, young, African American man 246 00:18:14,441 --> 00:18:17,444 standing up straight, holding his hand high. 247 00:18:17,531 --> 00:18:18,923 He gave us all hope. 248 00:18:20,664 --> 00:18:22,797 He helped us all come to that point, 249 00:18:22,927 --> 00:18:24,886 "So I too can do something. 250 00:18:25,016 --> 00:18:27,671 I too can make a contribution." 251 00:18:33,982 --> 00:18:36,289 - Exactly an hour on the hour after Tommie started talking, 252 00:18:36,376 --> 00:18:37,899 His wife, Delois cut him off and said, 253 00:18:38,029 --> 00:18:38,900 "Tommie, shut up. 254 00:18:39,030 --> 00:18:40,771 Glenn, why are you here? 255 00:18:40,902 --> 00:18:41,903 Tommie will talk all night long if you let him. 256 00:18:42,033 --> 00:18:43,731 But we need to know why you're here." 257 00:18:46,734 --> 00:18:48,127 And I said, "Look, I'm a conceptual artist. 258 00:18:48,257 --> 00:18:49,606 I'm not here to pitch you anything. 259 00:18:49,693 --> 00:18:50,912 But I have an observation, if I may." 260 00:18:53,436 --> 00:18:55,003 And I said, "It strikes me that you live 261 00:18:55,134 --> 00:18:56,570 in a bit of a time bubble. 262 00:18:56,700 --> 00:18:57,701 I was born after that happened. 263 00:18:57,832 --> 00:18:59,964 So for me it's always been a symbol, 264 00:19:00,095 --> 00:19:01,183 but for you it's very personal." 265 00:19:02,924 --> 00:19:04,404 You shook my hand with that hand, 266 00:19:04,534 --> 00:19:05,579 you brush your teeth with that hand, 267 00:19:05,709 --> 00:19:06,928 you drive with that hand. 268 00:19:07,058 --> 00:19:08,277 But the rest of us, 269 00:19:08,408 --> 00:19:10,105 we just know the hand up in the air. 270 00:19:10,236 --> 00:19:12,281 So what if we could collaborate on a project 271 00:19:12,412 --> 00:19:13,369 that functions in the now: allowing you 272 00:19:13,500 --> 00:19:15,937 to be a witness for the first time 273 00:19:16,067 --> 00:19:17,591 of this rich history that you've created." 274 00:19:19,419 --> 00:19:20,724 At that point they said, "What's next?" 275 00:19:20,855 --> 00:19:22,422 And I said, "Why don't you come to my studio in LA, 276 00:19:22,552 --> 00:19:24,989 and I'll take the arm off your body." 277 00:19:25,120 --> 00:19:26,469 And they said, "Whoa! What are you talking about?" 278 00:19:26,556 --> 00:19:27,949 I said, "No, I'm just going to make a cast of it. 279 00:19:28,079 --> 00:19:29,211 And then we'll sit with it. 280 00:19:29,342 --> 00:19:31,126 And we'll figure out what to make." 281 00:19:42,485 --> 00:19:43,443 When the cast of Tommie's arm came out. 282 00:19:43,573 --> 00:19:45,880 The first thing he did, was he pointed 283 00:19:46,010 --> 00:19:47,577 at this area of his arm and said, 284 00:19:47,708 --> 00:19:49,100 "Do you know what that is son?" 285 00:19:49,231 --> 00:19:50,798 I said, "No, what is that, sir?" 286 00:19:50,928 --> 00:19:52,713 He said, "That's a class muscle." 287 00:19:52,843 --> 00:19:54,367 I said, "What do you mean?" 288 00:19:54,497 --> 00:19:56,760 He said, "You only get that from picking cotton." 289 00:20:00,416 --> 00:20:02,592 - When you are picking cotton, 290 00:20:02,723 --> 00:20:05,421 you pick it from a boll. 291 00:20:05,552 --> 00:20:08,337 And the boll, before it's ready to pick, it opens up. 292 00:20:08,424 --> 00:20:10,818 You reach down in the boll, 293 00:20:10,948 --> 00:20:13,777 pick the cotton out and you proceed to the next boll. 294 00:20:15,866 --> 00:20:18,869 If you can do two hands at once or two rolls at once, 295 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:20,610 that's how you got a lot of cotton. 296 00:20:22,395 --> 00:20:23,918 Some days as a kid, I had a good day. 297 00:20:25,267 --> 00:20:28,357 A good day is 220 pounds. 298 00:20:30,054 --> 00:20:33,449 A phenomenal day is around 300 pounds, 299 00:20:33,536 --> 00:20:37,888 and that's $3 a hundred, back in the day that was $9. 300 00:20:42,153 --> 00:20:43,633 There was a science to picking cotton. 301 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:46,419 That's why some people pick 50 pounds a day 302 00:20:46,506 --> 00:20:48,290 and some people pick 300 pounds a day. 303 00:20:53,817 --> 00:20:55,863 - He told me that when he was on the victory stand, 304 00:20:55,993 --> 00:20:58,344 he flexed it to let everyone know 305 00:20:58,474 --> 00:21:01,216 that even if you pick cotton, you were up there with him. 306 00:21:10,486 --> 00:21:11,922 In order for that protest to actually work, 307 00:21:12,053 --> 00:21:14,403 he had to win, right? 308 00:21:14,534 --> 00:21:16,100 If he doesn't make it, what is he gonna do? 309 00:21:16,231 --> 00:21:18,581 He's gonna protest in the, you know, fifth place? 310 00:21:18,712 --> 00:21:20,975 So he had to win. 311 00:21:21,062 --> 00:21:22,498 He had to be great. 312 00:21:22,629 --> 00:21:27,024 - It speaks of so much strength and humanity. 313 00:21:27,111 --> 00:21:29,897 And just the sense of empathy of, 314 00:21:30,027 --> 00:21:32,247 obviously being incredible at his craft 315 00:21:32,378 --> 00:21:34,293 and being so successful. 316 00:21:34,423 --> 00:21:37,034 But then to take that moment, 317 00:21:37,165 --> 00:21:38,645 there's such depth in that moment. 318 00:21:38,775 --> 00:21:41,300 And it's just like, that's a hero. 319 00:21:41,430 --> 00:21:43,084 - What other opportunities are there like this? 320 00:21:43,214 --> 00:21:44,346 If you're at a political rally, 321 00:21:44,433 --> 00:21:45,608 they already expect you to be militant 322 00:21:45,739 --> 00:21:47,349 or expect you to be... 323 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:51,919 He snuck the entire globe with a good right hand, 324 00:21:52,963 --> 00:21:53,964 and then they fell down. 325 00:21:56,097 --> 00:21:58,665 - The United States leads the Olympics in medal awards 326 00:21:58,795 --> 00:22:01,798 and is just about Supreme in the sprint races. 327 00:22:01,929 --> 00:22:05,106 Thanks to men like Tommie Smith and John Carlos. 328 00:22:05,236 --> 00:22:07,674 Yesterday they came in first and third 329 00:22:07,804 --> 00:22:09,937 in the 200 meter dash. 330 00:22:10,067 --> 00:22:12,896 And then stood on the victory platform with bowed heads, 331 00:22:13,027 --> 00:22:17,292 wearing black socks and gloves in a racial protest. 332 00:22:17,423 --> 00:22:20,382 - In 1968, there were no regularly scheduled 333 00:22:20,469 --> 00:22:22,776 black TV shows on network TV, 334 00:22:22,863 --> 00:22:27,520 except for news reports about riots and black militancy. 335 00:22:27,650 --> 00:22:31,132 You know, Black power, kill whitey, you know, fuck the pigs 336 00:22:32,873 --> 00:22:34,527 Black panthers 337 00:22:34,657 --> 00:22:36,790 So all that to white America is scary as hell. 338 00:22:38,748 --> 00:22:40,402 - The fact that the Olympics 339 00:22:40,533 --> 00:22:41,969 where Tommie and John Carlos raised their fist 340 00:22:42,099 --> 00:22:43,536 was the first that was broadcast live 341 00:22:43,666 --> 00:22:48,192 means that it was the first time. 342 00:22:48,279 --> 00:22:49,585 There was a chance for that to happen 343 00:22:49,716 --> 00:22:53,241 in unsuspecting Americans' homes. 344 00:22:53,372 --> 00:22:55,504 You're in their living room. 345 00:22:55,635 --> 00:22:57,071 They didn't invite you in their living room. 346 00:22:57,201 --> 00:22:58,159 They didn't know what you were gonna do. 347 00:22:58,289 --> 00:22:59,334 They don't need to know you. 348 00:22:59,465 --> 00:23:00,814 But there you are. 349 00:23:00,944 --> 00:23:02,598 You're smack dab in front of their couch 350 00:23:02,685 --> 00:23:04,600 while they're in their sweat pants, watching you. 351 00:23:04,687 --> 00:23:07,255 - This was a symbol of defiance 352 00:23:07,386 --> 00:23:10,476 in the middle of a event where 353 00:23:10,563 --> 00:23:13,087 people are looking for blatant patriotism. 354 00:23:13,217 --> 00:23:14,741 And so when he does this, 355 00:23:14,871 --> 00:23:18,266 he electrifies this discussion because he says, 356 00:23:20,181 --> 00:23:21,965 "What is a patriot? 357 00:23:22,096 --> 00:23:23,880 What is patriotism? 358 00:23:24,011 --> 00:23:26,753 Is patriotism protesting oppression? 359 00:23:26,883 --> 00:23:27,928 Is patriotism blind allegiance 360 00:23:28,058 --> 00:23:30,539 to a country despite everything?" 361 00:23:34,891 --> 00:23:36,850 - People don't wanna talk about difficult issues 362 00:23:36,980 --> 00:23:40,462 and stains in our past that as a country 363 00:23:40,593 --> 00:23:42,159 that we don't wanna talk about. 364 00:23:42,246 --> 00:23:44,423 And we don't wanna reconcile. 365 00:23:44,553 --> 00:23:47,861 - What Tommie did is not environmental activism. 366 00:23:47,991 --> 00:23:50,254 It's not about save the African children 367 00:23:50,341 --> 00:23:51,647 in some far distant land. 368 00:23:51,778 --> 00:23:52,996 It's a whole different thing 369 00:23:53,127 --> 00:23:54,694 to square up with white supremacy. 370 00:23:57,174 --> 00:23:59,612 - I see it as an even bigger act of patriotism 371 00:23:59,742 --> 00:24:03,137 because you are laying bare 372 00:24:03,267 --> 00:24:05,400 for the whole world to see 373 00:24:05,531 --> 00:24:07,576 what you feel your country can do better. 374 00:24:07,707 --> 00:24:09,578 - Disruption doesn't make everybody happy. 375 00:24:09,709 --> 00:24:11,450 It doesn't make everybody feel good. 376 00:24:11,580 --> 00:24:13,887 And most athletes today, 377 00:24:14,017 --> 00:24:16,759 the reason they don't risk more 378 00:24:16,890 --> 00:24:19,675 is because they're afraid of the disruption 379 00:24:19,806 --> 00:24:21,198 of what it causes. 380 00:24:23,157 --> 00:24:25,812 - When you see something that is not right, 381 00:24:25,942 --> 00:24:30,207 not fair, not just, you have a moral obligation 382 00:24:31,948 --> 00:24:34,385 to say something to and do something. 383 00:24:34,516 --> 00:24:36,866 Sometime 384 00:24:36,997 --> 00:24:40,261 you literally have to put your body on the line. 385 00:24:42,785 --> 00:24:44,352 - You saw them on that stand. 386 00:24:44,483 --> 00:24:45,658 And you said, "These guys for all of the bravery, 387 00:24:45,788 --> 00:24:46,528 they're gonna get feedback 388 00:24:46,659 --> 00:24:48,530 and it's not gonna be good. 389 00:24:48,661 --> 00:24:52,273 These great young men, what happens to them now? 390 00:24:55,319 --> 00:24:56,886 - When Tommie and John came off, 391 00:24:58,366 --> 00:25:01,195 I probably heard more boos 392 00:25:01,325 --> 00:25:03,502 in a stadium than I've ever heard 393 00:25:03,632 --> 00:25:07,593 over any incident before or since. 394 00:25:07,723 --> 00:25:11,510 There was an unbelievable negative reaction. 395 00:25:14,991 --> 00:25:18,212 - I looked up and raised my fist again. 396 00:25:22,129 --> 00:25:25,959 I wanted them to know that it was not a mistake. 397 00:25:33,444 --> 00:25:36,012 - I went down into the basement 398 00:25:36,099 --> 00:25:37,405 because I knew that the athletes, 399 00:25:37,536 --> 00:25:38,798 when they left the award stand, 400 00:25:38,928 --> 00:25:42,497 came off and walked through the door. 401 00:25:42,628 --> 00:25:47,067 I locked the door behind me so that no one else 402 00:25:48,721 --> 00:25:51,419 was coming through that door until I 403 00:25:51,506 --> 00:25:54,814 had interviewed Tommie and John. 404 00:25:56,903 --> 00:25:59,470 The interview went on three and a half minutes maybe. 405 00:25:59,601 --> 00:26:01,647 And what I remember most of all 406 00:26:01,734 --> 00:26:04,824 was how calm Tommie Smith was. 407 00:26:04,954 --> 00:26:07,914 And then I heard the unmistakable voice of 408 00:26:08,044 --> 00:26:10,656 "This Howard Cosell, ABC. 409 00:26:10,743 --> 00:26:12,962 I demand that you open that door." 410 00:26:14,007 --> 00:26:15,312 I knew it was coming. 411 00:26:15,443 --> 00:26:16,226 - Tommie, would you explain 412 00:26:16,357 --> 00:26:17,576 to the people of America 413 00:26:17,663 --> 00:26:19,969 exactly what you did and why you did it? 414 00:26:21,449 --> 00:26:22,668 - First of all, Howard, 415 00:26:22,798 --> 00:26:24,234 I would like to say I'm very happy 416 00:26:24,365 --> 00:26:27,020 to have won the gold medal, here in Mexico city. 417 00:26:27,150 --> 00:26:31,590 The right glove that I wore on my right hand, 418 00:26:33,374 --> 00:26:37,204 signified the power within black America. 419 00:26:37,334 --> 00:26:41,687 The left glove, my teammate, John Carlos, 420 00:26:43,819 --> 00:26:46,735 wore in his left hand made an arc my right hand, 421 00:26:46,866 --> 00:26:50,217 to his left hand also signify black unity. 422 00:26:51,914 --> 00:26:53,002 The scarf that was worn around my neck, 423 00:26:54,177 --> 00:26:56,527 signified blackness. 424 00:26:56,658 --> 00:26:59,095 John Carlos and me wore socks, 425 00:26:59,226 --> 00:27:03,447 Black socks without shoes to also signify our poverty. 426 00:27:05,667 --> 00:27:09,018 This is the motivation, the symbolism of what you did. 427 00:27:09,149 --> 00:27:11,412 Now, do you think you represented 428 00:27:11,542 --> 00:27:14,458 all black athletes in doing this? 429 00:27:14,589 --> 00:27:16,896 I represented black America. 430 00:27:19,812 --> 00:27:23,511 I'm very proud to be a black man, 431 00:27:23,642 --> 00:27:25,426 as I said earlier, 432 00:27:25,556 --> 00:27:27,167 and also to have won a gold medal. 433 00:27:27,254 --> 00:27:31,650 And this, I thought that I could represent my people 434 00:27:33,216 --> 00:27:35,218 by letting them know that 435 00:27:35,349 --> 00:27:36,916 I'm proud to be a black man. 436 00:27:38,569 --> 00:27:40,702 - Subsequent to that. 437 00:27:40,833 --> 00:27:43,531 I leave looking for a pay telephone 438 00:27:43,662 --> 00:27:46,055 because in those days you would put down a few thoughts, 439 00:27:46,186 --> 00:27:49,493 but you transcribed it back to Chicago's American. 440 00:27:51,452 --> 00:27:54,107 - "Smith and Carlos looked like 441 00:27:54,237 --> 00:27:57,806 a couple of black-skinned stormtroopers, 442 00:27:57,937 --> 00:28:00,679 holding aloft their black-gloved hands 443 00:28:00,809 --> 00:28:02,332 during the playing of the National Anthem. 444 00:28:04,073 --> 00:28:07,555 It's destined to go down as the most unsubtle 445 00:28:07,686 --> 00:28:09,905 demonstration in the history of protests. 446 00:28:12,038 --> 00:28:15,781 They should have avoided the awards ceremony all together. 447 00:28:19,001 --> 00:28:21,351 - Brent Musburger was not talking about Star Wars. 448 00:28:21,482 --> 00:28:23,527 Brent Musburger was talking about Hitler. 449 00:28:23,614 --> 00:28:24,528 And he was making a false equivalency. 450 00:28:24,659 --> 00:28:26,879 He was channeling America's hate 451 00:28:26,966 --> 00:28:29,316 toward the Nazis to Tommie and John. 452 00:28:31,231 --> 00:28:33,233 - I didn't know about this until late nineties, 453 00:28:33,363 --> 00:28:34,625 early two thousands. 454 00:28:34,756 --> 00:28:36,018 I was stunned, because that's not 455 00:28:36,105 --> 00:28:38,891 the Brent Musburger I grew up with. 456 00:28:39,021 --> 00:28:40,066 - Folks, I've had the best seat in the house. 457 00:28:40,196 --> 00:28:41,502 Thanks for sharing it. 458 00:28:41,632 --> 00:28:43,243 I'll show you down the road. 459 00:28:43,373 --> 00:28:45,811 - If you did a Mount Rushmore of sports broadcasters, 460 00:28:45,941 --> 00:28:47,508 Brent Musburger is right there. 461 00:28:49,945 --> 00:28:53,514 During these moments, be careful about what you say 462 00:28:53,644 --> 00:28:56,822 because they could live in history in a way 463 00:28:56,952 --> 00:29:00,390 that could make you really ashamed and people never forget. 464 00:29:08,181 --> 00:29:11,097 - You learn, especially as you grow older, 465 00:29:11,227 --> 00:29:15,449 how words can be so hurtful so that you really 466 00:29:18,147 --> 00:29:22,456 do have to be more careful than I was that night 467 00:29:23,718 --> 00:29:27,896 in 1968, a thoughtless- 468 00:29:28,027 --> 00:29:29,202 - Did you apologize to Tommie? 469 00:29:29,332 --> 00:29:31,639 - Yeah, basically I said, yeah. 470 00:29:31,770 --> 00:29:33,554 Yeah, I'm sorry for that. 471 00:29:34,685 --> 00:29:37,514 I said I was young and dumb. 472 00:29:37,645 --> 00:29:39,734 And I never, ever should have gone there. 473 00:29:41,518 --> 00:29:45,653 But immediately, Tommie and John felt the wrath. 474 00:29:47,916 --> 00:29:49,222 - I had said that if there were any demonstrations 475 00:29:49,352 --> 00:29:51,093 at the Olympic games by anyone, 476 00:29:51,180 --> 00:29:53,574 the participants would be sent home. 477 00:29:53,704 --> 00:29:54,662 - The black power disciples, 478 00:29:54,793 --> 00:29:56,446 Tommie Smith and John Carlos, 479 00:29:56,577 --> 00:29:58,535 the Olympic 200 meters gold and bronze medalist 480 00:29:58,622 --> 00:29:59,928 have been suspended 481 00:30:00,059 --> 00:30:01,190 by the United States Olympic Committee, 482 00:30:01,321 --> 00:30:03,323 and given 48 hours to leave Mexico. 483 00:30:04,715 --> 00:30:06,326 - After the race, 484 00:30:06,456 --> 00:30:09,720 we received a call asking us to come to the USOC 485 00:30:12,332 --> 00:30:14,638 headquarters and bring our medals with us. 486 00:30:14,769 --> 00:30:15,683 - News men tried to get comment 487 00:30:15,814 --> 00:30:17,380 from Lee Evans, the sprinter. 488 00:30:17,511 --> 00:30:19,600 ABC's Ray Falk, couldn't get any comment 489 00:30:19,730 --> 00:30:22,777 even from the wife of sprinter John Carlos. 490 00:30:22,864 --> 00:30:24,866 Carlos personally told newsmen to keep away. 491 00:30:24,997 --> 00:30:25,867 - Leave me alone, okay? 492 00:30:25,954 --> 00:30:27,826 I'm asking you the last time. 493 00:30:27,956 --> 00:30:31,090 - We did not return our medals. 494 00:30:31,220 --> 00:30:32,613 Those medals belonged to us. 495 00:30:34,397 --> 00:30:36,573 We arrived in Los Angeles and there were 496 00:30:36,704 --> 00:30:38,575 a huge crowd of people. 497 00:30:38,706 --> 00:30:41,100 We could see that on the way in. 498 00:30:41,230 --> 00:30:42,536 They took us off the plane, 499 00:30:42,623 --> 00:30:44,233 took us to some backdoor 500 00:30:44,364 --> 00:30:45,669 and boarded another plane headed to San Jose. 501 00:30:48,585 --> 00:30:51,545 Once we landed in San Jose, it was just the opposite. 502 00:30:51,675 --> 00:30:55,766 No one there to welcome us home. 503 00:31:10,259 --> 00:31:12,740 When I returned home from Mexico city, 504 00:31:12,871 --> 00:31:16,222 I had a no job and I knew why, 505 00:31:16,352 --> 00:31:17,701 because of the victory stand. 506 00:31:20,661 --> 00:31:24,360 - Many people think that change just happens. 507 00:31:24,491 --> 00:31:27,668 That people make gestures and go on with their lives. 508 00:31:27,798 --> 00:31:29,975 But the reality is that change 509 00:31:30,105 --> 00:31:33,848 doesn't happen in America without sacrifice, without loss. 510 00:31:33,979 --> 00:31:37,765 And in some ways, Tommie bore the burden 511 00:31:37,896 --> 00:31:40,811 of being the symbol of change. 512 00:31:44,511 --> 00:31:48,863 - The only job I could get was at all American Pontiac. 513 00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:51,518 There was a large sign out front, 514 00:31:51,648 --> 00:31:54,782 come and see olympian, Tommie Smith. 515 00:31:54,869 --> 00:31:57,045 I would have to put all my little red bow tie 516 00:31:57,132 --> 00:31:58,699 and come out front, "Hi, I'm Tommie Smith. 517 00:31:58,829 --> 00:31:59,656 How are you?" 518 00:31:59,787 --> 00:32:01,180 As if I was a salesman. 519 00:32:01,267 --> 00:32:05,749 But my job was detailing and washing cars. 520 00:32:07,534 --> 00:32:08,622 I was there. 521 00:32:08,752 --> 00:32:10,232 So people would come in 522 00:32:10,363 --> 00:32:12,234 and identify themselves with Tommie Smith. 523 00:32:12,365 --> 00:32:13,757 And I would go back out in the back 524 00:32:13,888 --> 00:32:15,716 and continue washing cars. 525 00:32:18,110 --> 00:32:21,852 One day I received a call from Bill Walsh, 526 00:32:21,983 --> 00:32:23,898 who was a wide receiver quarterback coach 527 00:32:23,985 --> 00:32:24,812 for the Cincinnati Bengals. 528 00:32:26,988 --> 00:32:29,034 His question was, would I like to try out for the team? 529 00:32:30,774 --> 00:32:32,994 He knew I still had my 200 meter speed. 530 00:32:35,301 --> 00:32:37,346 I caught one pass that year against the Oakland Raiders. 531 00:32:40,262 --> 00:32:42,699 I caught the ball and then lights out. 532 00:32:45,746 --> 00:32:49,271 Separated shoulder, two squad cars showed up. 533 00:32:51,056 --> 00:32:52,405 Dropped me off in front of the hospital. 534 00:32:54,146 --> 00:32:57,714 Got a call, "Tommie, you've been cut." 535 00:33:01,457 --> 00:33:06,114 A year or so after, I finally got a call 536 00:33:06,245 --> 00:33:10,597 and the person who wanted to talk to me was Jack Scott, 537 00:33:11,598 --> 00:33:13,034 who just got the job 538 00:33:13,165 --> 00:33:16,211 as athletic director at Oberlin college. 539 00:33:16,342 --> 00:33:19,171 It didn't take me long to pack up. 540 00:33:19,301 --> 00:33:23,088 - This is Oberlin college in Oberlin, Ohio. 541 00:33:23,218 --> 00:33:27,614 It was the first white institution to admit Black students. 542 00:33:27,744 --> 00:33:31,966 Now it has a brand new program which is headed up by a man 543 00:33:32,097 --> 00:33:34,838 who has called himself a populist radical 544 00:33:34,925 --> 00:33:37,058 and has written a book called the athletic revolution. 545 00:33:37,145 --> 00:33:39,582 His name is Jack Scott. 546 00:33:39,713 --> 00:33:42,846 - He said, I need an assistant athletic director 547 00:33:42,977 --> 00:33:45,284 and someone to coach track 548 00:33:45,414 --> 00:33:47,373 and to start a women's basketball program. 549 00:33:47,503 --> 00:33:50,071 - Oberlin college has as its new 550 00:33:50,158 --> 00:33:53,161 assistant director of athletics, Tommie Smith. 551 00:33:53,292 --> 00:33:55,729 Do you think you've changed since 68? 552 00:33:55,859 --> 00:33:57,035 Have you grown less militant? 553 00:33:59,950 --> 00:34:01,735 - What does militant mean? 554 00:34:01,865 --> 00:34:02,562 - Don't spar with me. 555 00:34:02,692 --> 00:34:04,651 We're not going back to 68. 556 00:34:04,781 --> 00:34:09,482 - I moved to Oberlin and started the job, very happy. 557 00:34:09,612 --> 00:34:11,527 One day I decided to get a haircut. 558 00:34:13,529 --> 00:34:17,011 I jumped in my car and had to go across the tracks. 559 00:34:17,142 --> 00:34:19,187 So I'm sitting up there with two, three other brothers 560 00:34:19,318 --> 00:34:19,927 sitting up there and they was talking. 561 00:34:20,014 --> 00:34:21,972 I was enjoying the conversation. 562 00:34:22,103 --> 00:34:25,280 I'm sitting toward the window, looking out, 563 00:34:25,367 --> 00:34:26,760 and a car pulls up next to my car. 564 00:34:28,501 --> 00:34:32,592 Two men got out of the car, looked into my car. 565 00:34:33,941 --> 00:34:34,942 They were wearing trench coats. 566 00:34:37,205 --> 00:34:41,079 They walked over to the barbershop and opened the door. 567 00:34:41,209 --> 00:34:44,256 And I said, "Oh man, Mexico was a long time ago. 568 00:34:44,386 --> 00:34:45,822 Now they're bothering me again." 569 00:34:45,953 --> 00:34:47,998 So they walked in, they came in. 570 00:34:48,129 --> 00:34:49,609 "Is there a Tommie Smith here?" 571 00:34:49,739 --> 00:34:53,439 Now, the guys in the shop didn't know who Tommie Smith was. 572 00:34:53,526 --> 00:34:56,094 So I said, "Tommie, you better speak up." 573 00:34:56,224 --> 00:34:58,313 I said, "I'm Tommie Smith." 574 00:34:58,444 --> 00:35:00,620 And one of the guys kind of leaned up against the wall, 575 00:35:00,750 --> 00:35:02,970 "Can we see you outside?" 576 00:35:03,101 --> 00:35:04,711 I looked at my watch and I said, 577 00:35:04,841 --> 00:35:06,495 "Well, I'm due for a haircut. 578 00:35:06,626 --> 00:35:08,410 Meet me at my office in an hour." 579 00:35:10,108 --> 00:35:12,936 And he said, "Where is your office?" 580 00:35:13,067 --> 00:35:14,982 And I responded by saying, 581 00:35:15,069 --> 00:35:18,290 "you found me in a barbershop cross the tracks. 582 00:35:18,420 --> 00:35:18,986 And you don't know who I'm office is? 583 00:35:21,510 --> 00:35:24,731 You know where my office is." 584 00:35:24,818 --> 00:35:26,776 After my haircut, I jumped in my Belvedere 585 00:35:26,863 --> 00:35:28,996 and drove back to my office. 586 00:35:29,127 --> 00:35:30,911 Parked the car, went upstairs, 587 00:35:31,041 --> 00:35:32,391 and they were sitting at my office door. 588 00:35:32,521 --> 00:35:34,567 I didn't tell them where my office was. 589 00:35:34,697 --> 00:35:36,351 They said, "Well, we wanna talk to you 590 00:35:36,482 --> 00:35:38,658 about a case that we've been working on for years. 591 00:35:38,788 --> 00:35:41,182 Do you know, Patty Hearst?" 592 00:35:41,313 --> 00:35:43,706 And I said, "Who?" 593 00:35:43,837 --> 00:35:47,667 And they asked me, "Well, who is your boss?" 594 00:35:47,797 --> 00:35:49,625 And I said, "Jack Scott." 595 00:35:49,756 --> 00:35:51,671 - Jack and Mickey Scott are writers 596 00:35:51,758 --> 00:35:54,108 and critics of the big time sports establishment. 597 00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:55,849 They were also apparently suspected 598 00:35:55,979 --> 00:35:57,938 of harboring Pettie Hearst in a rented farmhouse 599 00:35:58,068 --> 00:36:00,027 in Pennsylvania last summer. 600 00:36:00,158 --> 00:36:01,333 Rather than co-operating- 601 00:36:01,463 --> 00:36:04,336 - They later reveal that they were FBI agents. 602 00:36:07,730 --> 00:36:10,907 Jack Scott got fired and I was next in line. 603 00:36:16,043 --> 00:36:17,479 - All over the country. 604 00:36:17,610 --> 00:36:19,046 There's these trials that begin happening, 605 00:36:19,177 --> 00:36:21,701 of big groups of black people 606 00:36:21,831 --> 00:36:24,138 who are activists being scooped up 607 00:36:24,225 --> 00:36:27,054 as part of conspiracies to overthrow the government, 608 00:36:27,141 --> 00:36:29,883 shoot police, blow up buildings, 609 00:36:30,013 --> 00:36:31,450 and almost every case, 610 00:36:31,580 --> 00:36:33,930 their association was tangential at best. 611 00:36:36,150 --> 00:36:38,544 So Tommie was a victim of a fear of radical thought. 612 00:36:52,122 --> 00:36:53,776 - So many of Tommie's dreams 613 00:36:53,907 --> 00:36:57,127 had to be altered because of that gesture. 614 00:36:57,215 --> 00:36:59,347 Obviously it was hard for him economically. 615 00:36:59,478 --> 00:37:01,915 His athletic career was in essence over, 616 00:37:02,002 --> 00:37:05,484 but you never saw Tommie say, let me take that back. 617 00:37:05,571 --> 00:37:07,399 - We have seen somebody who wanted to be a professional 618 00:37:07,529 --> 00:37:09,444 athlete for a long time. 619 00:37:09,531 --> 00:37:11,490 We saw their career taken from them in real time. 620 00:37:11,620 --> 00:37:15,711 And we're still arguing about whether or not it was taken. 621 00:37:17,583 --> 00:37:19,541 - It is my contention and I could be wrong 622 00:37:21,369 --> 00:37:23,415 that Colin Kaepernick does not understand 623 00:37:23,545 --> 00:37:25,460 the big picture of his country. 624 00:37:25,591 --> 00:37:29,116 - It takes a lot for a guy who was making a lot of money, 625 00:37:29,247 --> 00:37:31,336 which is what everybody seems to judge somebody by, 626 00:37:31,466 --> 00:37:34,077 to put it on the line for people who he does not know, 627 00:37:34,208 --> 00:37:36,254 who he owes nothing to, 628 00:37:36,384 --> 00:37:37,342 but for him to say somethings not right 629 00:37:37,472 --> 00:37:39,735 and I'm gonna do something about it, 630 00:37:39,866 --> 00:37:41,520 and to do something where at the end of the day 631 00:37:41,650 --> 00:37:43,783 people will remember him for that more than sports. 632 00:37:43,913 --> 00:37:46,438 Which is the most important thing in the world. 633 00:37:46,568 --> 00:37:48,875 - Is he taking any of the finances that he's made, 634 00:37:49,005 --> 00:37:51,486 the $19 million he's making per year. 635 00:37:51,617 --> 00:37:54,533 Is he using any of that to leverage that celebrity 636 00:37:54,663 --> 00:37:56,578 and that monetary gain that he's making 637 00:37:56,709 --> 00:37:58,798 in America to help those communities, 638 00:37:58,928 --> 00:38:00,103 to help those families? 639 00:38:00,234 --> 00:38:00,974 I don't see it happening Gretta. 640 00:38:01,104 --> 00:38:03,106 And that's why this entire thing 641 00:38:03,237 --> 00:38:05,718 has rubbed me the wrong way. 642 00:38:05,848 --> 00:38:08,068 - Listen, you had a president of the United States 643 00:38:08,198 --> 00:38:10,897 who'd used basically the authority, 644 00:38:11,027 --> 00:38:14,117 and the majesty of the state 645 00:38:14,248 --> 00:38:17,033 to threaten the NFL into keeping 646 00:38:17,164 --> 00:38:18,774 this guy out of earning a living 647 00:38:18,905 --> 00:38:21,124 that he had been training for since he was a kid. 648 00:38:23,518 --> 00:38:24,998 - I think just me and Colin is really interesting. 649 00:38:25,128 --> 00:38:26,652 Juxtaposed next to each other. 650 00:38:26,782 --> 00:38:29,045 And he's still out of a job and still kind of 651 00:38:29,132 --> 00:38:31,309 a pariah in that way. 652 00:38:31,439 --> 00:38:34,268 Whereas I've kind of come out on the other end 653 00:38:34,399 --> 00:38:35,878 and now it's seen as a really positive thing, 654 00:38:36,009 --> 00:38:37,967 but I also think it's really glaring from society 655 00:38:38,098 --> 00:38:41,144 of just how much we sort of prop up white privilege. 656 00:38:41,275 --> 00:38:43,233 And yet I'm talking about the exact same things 657 00:38:43,364 --> 00:38:44,452 in a lot of ways that Colin is, 658 00:38:44,539 --> 00:38:45,714 but we look very different 659 00:38:45,845 --> 00:38:47,237 and we sort of speak about it 660 00:38:47,368 --> 00:38:48,500 in a little bit different way. 661 00:38:48,630 --> 00:38:50,284 So why all of a sudden am I, 662 00:38:51,981 --> 00:38:53,461 why am I okay? 663 00:38:53,592 --> 00:38:54,636 And why is everything okay for me? 664 00:38:54,767 --> 00:38:56,638 And people are really on board with it now 665 00:38:56,725 --> 00:38:58,553 and yet we still can't wrap our heads around 666 00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:00,425 what Colin is doing and the impact that he has. 667 00:39:02,383 --> 00:39:04,298 - They want to erase 668 00:39:04,429 --> 00:39:07,432 Colin Kaepernick's presence from the NFL. 669 00:39:10,826 --> 00:39:13,176 That's a key part of Tommie Smith's story 670 00:39:13,307 --> 00:39:15,091 that people don't really understand 671 00:39:15,222 --> 00:39:17,050 is that after that Olympics, 672 00:39:17,137 --> 00:39:20,183 it didn't just end with, "Oh, they got sent home." 673 00:39:20,270 --> 00:39:22,969 He was ostracized from society. 674 00:39:36,069 --> 00:39:40,247 - A lot of families have been hurt because they did less. 675 00:39:40,378 --> 00:39:42,075 Mothers and daughters and sisters and brothers 676 00:39:42,162 --> 00:39:45,295 have been beaten, lynched, or even worse 677 00:39:45,426 --> 00:39:47,907 because they were the color they are, not what they said. 678 00:39:51,171 --> 00:39:55,567 So yes, I regret that my family had to go through that, 679 00:39:55,697 --> 00:39:59,135 but there was no other way it could have been done. 680 00:40:03,662 --> 00:40:07,143 Several times, my mother received feces in the mail, 681 00:40:09,711 --> 00:40:11,800 or dead animals in the mail, or very, 682 00:40:11,931 --> 00:40:14,673 very disrespectful notes in the mail because of me. 683 00:40:20,026 --> 00:40:24,900 I know that the stress my mother felt 684 00:40:25,031 --> 00:40:28,382 because of what I represented in Mexico city, 685 00:40:29,992 --> 00:40:31,994 caused her heart attack. 686 00:40:33,561 --> 00:40:34,736 I know that that's a fact. 687 00:40:34,867 --> 00:40:36,695 I know that's a fact. 688 00:40:42,483 --> 00:40:44,006 My mother's death was my fault. 689 00:40:48,446 --> 00:40:50,491 All the stress she went through, 690 00:40:50,578 --> 00:40:53,189 knowing that one of her kids was in trouble. 691 00:41:04,070 --> 00:41:08,291 There were times when I would feel myself dropping. 692 00:41:17,170 --> 00:41:21,391 I would try to get out of myself and wonder, 693 00:41:21,522 --> 00:41:23,611 how lonely am I? 694 00:41:29,051 --> 00:41:33,447 People are individuals, and everyone 695 00:41:35,493 --> 00:41:37,407 is alone in their own head. 696 00:41:47,330 --> 00:41:48,636 Talking about lonely? 697 00:41:48,767 --> 00:41:51,552 I was lonely inside and outside then 698 00:41:51,639 --> 00:41:53,032 because there was nothing. 699 00:41:56,383 --> 00:42:00,779 Me and my wife sat in this sparsely furnished house. 700 00:42:05,697 --> 00:42:07,655 I met Denise at San Jose state. 701 00:42:12,181 --> 00:42:13,269 Well, we got married two years after I met her. 702 00:42:16,795 --> 00:42:18,013 Kevin came along. 703 00:42:18,144 --> 00:42:21,147 He was six months old when I was in Mexico. 704 00:42:25,368 --> 00:42:27,370 I wanted to be just a regular old dad. 705 00:42:27,501 --> 00:42:30,025 And that's where I failed. 706 00:42:33,376 --> 00:42:34,203 Got a divorce later on. 707 00:42:34,334 --> 00:42:35,422 I became a single dad. 708 00:42:35,553 --> 00:42:36,554 I had Kevin with me at Oberlin. 709 00:42:41,950 --> 00:42:45,911 I met Denise Kyle while I was at Oberlin. 710 00:42:49,958 --> 00:42:52,787 We got married and we came back to California. 711 00:42:55,964 --> 00:42:59,011 We had one girl and three boys. 712 00:42:59,141 --> 00:43:00,969 The first one is Danielle. 713 00:43:01,056 --> 00:43:03,189 The boy is Anthony. We called him Tony. 714 00:43:03,319 --> 00:43:04,364 The other one is Timothy. 715 00:43:04,494 --> 00:43:06,235 We called him Timmy. 716 00:43:06,366 --> 00:43:07,410 Then there's Joseph. 717 00:43:07,541 --> 00:43:08,063 We called him Joey. 718 00:43:15,244 --> 00:43:17,464 I tried very hard to be a dad, 719 00:43:19,335 --> 00:43:23,209 but there was one person that I forgot. 720 00:43:23,339 --> 00:43:24,514 Denise Smith. 721 00:43:27,605 --> 00:43:30,216 She didn't get the attention that she should have gotten. 722 00:43:33,567 --> 00:43:36,570 I was moved out of the house, down the street, 723 00:43:38,441 --> 00:43:40,574 I had no money to buy furniture. 724 00:43:40,705 --> 00:43:44,970 So the holder of 11 world records slept on the floor. 725 00:43:46,841 --> 00:43:48,234 Ooh. 726 00:43:51,193 --> 00:43:54,501 But sometime, I didn't cry for myself, 727 00:43:56,329 --> 00:43:57,547 but it's the pain. 728 00:43:59,811 --> 00:44:04,337 Not so much the sadness, it's just pain of sadness 729 00:44:04,467 --> 00:44:05,338 which I worked so hard for, 730 00:44:05,468 --> 00:44:06,861 and it blew up in my face. 731 00:44:10,473 --> 00:44:12,475 And it was so hard that it destroyed what I loved. 732 00:44:14,695 --> 00:44:17,916 I had roaches for roommates. 733 00:44:18,046 --> 00:44:21,136 And sometimes I ran inside 734 00:44:21,267 --> 00:44:24,357 and met my buddy which was my little wine bottle 735 00:44:24,487 --> 00:44:25,619 sitting in the refrigerator. 736 00:44:27,882 --> 00:44:28,883 - Smith has done it. 737 00:44:29,014 --> 00:44:30,842 With his hands in the air. 738 00:44:30,972 --> 00:44:35,368 - Sometimes we would get mixed up in being on film, 739 00:44:35,498 --> 00:44:39,807 with something in reality, which you really wanna be, 740 00:44:40,721 --> 00:44:44,159 you can't. 741 00:44:44,290 --> 00:44:48,381 It was around that time I met my wife, the Delois. 742 00:44:50,557 --> 00:44:52,994 - We were home having some dinner 743 00:44:53,125 --> 00:44:54,474 and we had some wine 744 00:44:54,604 --> 00:44:59,044 and we were talking, and he got very emotional. 745 00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:07,574 He got very, very angry. 746 00:45:12,318 --> 00:45:16,409 And he started to yell and he broke a few chairs. 747 00:45:18,063 --> 00:45:19,412 He climbed aboard the glass table, 748 00:45:21,196 --> 00:45:22,154 and he fell through the table. 749 00:45:26,898 --> 00:45:30,640 He cut his finger, he cut his arm. 750 00:45:36,908 --> 00:45:38,344 He's so worked up. 751 00:45:38,474 --> 00:45:39,432 He's so out of it. 752 00:45:39,562 --> 00:45:41,521 He's just so not him. 753 00:45:41,651 --> 00:45:43,958 It was not Tommie. 754 00:45:46,395 --> 00:45:48,571 - I told Delois to get out of the house, 755 00:45:50,312 --> 00:45:53,141 go to your mother's house, get out. 756 00:45:54,969 --> 00:45:56,231 - That's when he smeared the blood 757 00:45:56,362 --> 00:45:57,842 all over the floor, 758 00:45:57,929 --> 00:46:02,063 and he wrote information on the walls, 759 00:46:02,150 --> 00:46:04,892 in the family room that was unreadable. 760 00:46:29,090 --> 00:46:29,787 - In the back of my mind, 761 00:46:29,917 --> 00:46:31,005 I was writing a letter. 762 00:46:32,615 --> 00:46:34,530 That's my memory now. 763 00:46:43,104 --> 00:46:43,975 I was writing a letter, 764 00:46:44,105 --> 00:46:45,498 and I wanted it on the outside 765 00:46:45,628 --> 00:46:46,978 all started writing on the outside wall. 766 00:46:47,108 --> 00:46:48,718 I had blood everywhere. 767 00:46:53,071 --> 00:46:54,681 Next thing I heard was bam, bam, bam, 768 00:46:54,812 --> 00:46:56,552 on the door, "Police, police." 769 00:46:58,641 --> 00:46:59,599 I thought it was a dream. 770 00:47:02,776 --> 00:47:03,821 I hit rock bottom. 771 00:47:06,998 --> 00:47:09,174 - I did not recognize him. 772 00:47:10,740 --> 00:47:13,004 His eyes had turned gold. 773 00:47:14,222 --> 00:47:16,050 He was just extremely quiet. 774 00:47:16,181 --> 00:47:20,881 Just quiet for like a day or two. 775 00:47:20,968 --> 00:47:22,752 And I would get food and I'd feed him. 776 00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:25,712 He'd sit in the garage in a chair, 777 00:47:25,843 --> 00:47:27,148 had a big chair inside the garage. 778 00:47:27,235 --> 00:47:28,671 He'd just sit there and he would rock. 779 00:47:28,802 --> 00:47:29,847 He wouldn't say much. 780 00:47:32,501 --> 00:47:33,633 I got him, we got in the car. 781 00:47:36,201 --> 00:47:40,074 I drove all the way to Lemoore, California 782 00:47:41,815 --> 00:47:44,774 to take him back home, back to his roots. 783 00:47:49,301 --> 00:47:53,479 He was sitting in the passenger seat 784 00:47:53,566 --> 00:47:57,657 and he was looking around like he had never seen Lemoore. 785 00:48:05,012 --> 00:48:05,621 - It was the coolest ride ever had. 786 00:48:05,752 --> 00:48:08,363 I mean, it was really a cool. 787 00:48:08,494 --> 00:48:10,888 All trees looked new, the to road looked new. 788 00:48:10,975 --> 00:48:12,237 Everything was new. 789 00:48:15,022 --> 00:48:16,676 - At that point, he seemed to kind of perk up. 790 00:48:18,983 --> 00:48:23,509 - I was born in Texas in 1944. 791 00:48:23,639 --> 00:48:28,209 We moved to California in 1951. 792 00:48:31,038 --> 00:48:34,041 I remember the bus pulling up and I saw little huts. 793 00:48:34,172 --> 00:48:36,000 That was the labor camp. 794 00:48:38,393 --> 00:48:41,875 Came to California on that labor bus on credit. 795 00:48:42,006 --> 00:48:45,574 So we had to pick cotton to pay for our passage. 796 00:48:45,705 --> 00:48:47,968 Then we were allowed to move off of the camp. 797 00:48:51,232 --> 00:48:53,452 We moved to Lemoore a year or so 798 00:48:53,582 --> 00:48:54,975 after we came to California. 799 00:48:58,022 --> 00:49:00,459 We moved to a little house on stilts. 800 00:49:00,589 --> 00:49:02,940 No running water, no bathroom, nothing, just a house. 801 00:49:06,508 --> 00:49:10,077 My dad was a very strong man 802 00:49:10,208 --> 00:49:12,819 in terms of his intuitiveness to survive. 803 00:49:15,778 --> 00:49:17,606 Daddy would work 12 hours a day on the night shift 804 00:49:17,737 --> 00:49:19,086 in the irrigation fields 805 00:49:19,217 --> 00:49:20,479 and work eight hours a day at school 806 00:49:20,609 --> 00:49:21,436 because he was a janitor. 807 00:49:23,961 --> 00:49:24,918 Mother was a very quiet woman. 808 00:49:26,615 --> 00:49:28,313 Ma would go out and sit on front porch, 809 00:49:28,443 --> 00:49:29,749 opened the screen doors. 810 00:49:31,229 --> 00:49:32,056 Bam. 811 00:49:32,186 --> 00:49:32,708 And I sit there. 812 00:49:32,839 --> 00:49:33,535 "Hey boy." 813 00:49:33,666 --> 00:49:34,710 "Hey Ma" 814 00:49:34,797 --> 00:49:35,755 Sit on the front porch. 815 00:49:35,885 --> 00:49:36,799 And I was swinging my feet. 816 00:49:36,930 --> 00:49:38,236 Oh, for five minutes. 817 00:49:38,323 --> 00:49:40,064 And she would be rocking. 818 00:49:43,197 --> 00:49:46,331 And I had 11 brothers and sisters. 819 00:49:46,461 --> 00:49:48,333 Willy Jewel, Jame Richard, 820 00:49:48,463 --> 00:49:52,641 George, Lucille, Sally, Hattie, 821 00:49:52,728 --> 00:49:55,644 Tommie, and that's me y'all. 822 00:49:55,775 --> 00:50:00,214 Ernie, Mary, Gladys, Liz, and Eugene. 823 00:50:05,828 --> 00:50:08,788 - The love and what he knew then brought him back. 824 00:50:10,572 --> 00:50:12,444 - Now reborn like, you know? 825 00:50:14,359 --> 00:50:17,101 She had to take me back to my beginnings 826 00:50:17,188 --> 00:50:18,189 or something I could latch on to. 827 00:50:18,319 --> 00:50:19,364 'Cause I had lost it here. 828 00:50:21,583 --> 00:50:22,410 - Did you think you were done? 829 00:50:22,541 --> 00:50:23,977 - Yeah. 830 00:50:24,108 --> 00:50:24,978 - Did you think you were gonna die? 831 00:50:25,109 --> 00:50:26,806 - I thought that. But worse than that, 832 00:50:26,936 --> 00:50:29,374 I thought I'd go missing and found dead. 833 00:50:36,076 --> 00:50:40,385 - So after we got back I said, "There has to be a change." 834 00:50:42,691 --> 00:50:45,999 God knows if he had stayed any longer, 835 00:50:46,086 --> 00:50:47,392 he would not be here today. 836 00:50:48,741 --> 00:50:49,524 And I know that. 837 00:51:01,754 --> 00:51:05,236 - I retired and I wanted me a place 838 00:51:05,366 --> 00:51:07,803 of solace, quietness, no contact. 839 00:51:11,329 --> 00:51:13,505 I relocated to Stone Mountain, Georgia. 840 00:51:14,723 --> 00:51:15,507 - So let freedom ring. 841 00:51:17,596 --> 00:51:21,252 Let freedom ring from the curvaceous slopes of California! 842 00:51:21,382 --> 00:51:24,429 But not only that, let freedom ring 843 00:51:24,559 --> 00:51:27,867 from Stone Mountain of Georgia! 844 00:51:27,997 --> 00:51:30,261 - When Dr. King gave that unbelievable speech 845 00:51:30,391 --> 00:51:32,959 at the March on Washington, 846 00:51:33,090 --> 00:51:34,091 he spoke about Stone Mountain. 847 00:51:36,354 --> 00:51:39,879 Yes, the clan live on stone mountain. 848 00:51:42,751 --> 00:51:47,234 They marched on stone mountain carrying the cross, 849 00:51:47,365 --> 00:51:50,585 dressed in white singing, "Onward Christian Soldiers." 850 00:51:54,415 --> 00:51:56,678 - We're both the cradle of the civil rights movement 851 00:51:56,809 --> 00:51:59,072 and the cradle of the Confederacy. 852 00:51:59,159 --> 00:52:00,813 And we've had to live within that tension. 853 00:52:00,943 --> 00:52:03,555 So for Tommie Smith to decide 854 00:52:03,685 --> 00:52:04,991 that he would buy a home right there, 855 00:52:07,863 --> 00:52:12,129 he was defying the old ghosts of Jim Crow segregation. 856 00:52:14,392 --> 00:52:14,957 He was in a real sense, bringing things full circle. 857 00:52:19,745 --> 00:52:23,009 - Stone Mountain had the KKK. Stone Mountain, 858 00:52:23,096 --> 00:52:25,359 Dr. Martin Luther King, Atlanta, 859 00:52:25,490 --> 00:52:27,448 and I moved right between the both of them 860 00:52:27,579 --> 00:52:28,319 and looked at each other and said, 861 00:52:28,449 --> 00:52:30,408 "This is where I wanna live." 862 00:52:30,538 --> 00:52:33,889 And this home, this house, these trees, 863 00:52:34,020 --> 00:52:35,804 the things that needed doing to this house 864 00:52:35,891 --> 00:52:40,244 reminding me of starting over again and rebuilding something 865 00:52:40,374 --> 00:52:42,246 in a place only a few years 866 00:52:42,333 --> 00:52:44,770 before I moved here, was turmoil. 867 00:52:53,648 --> 00:52:54,519 - But what about when you guys 868 00:52:54,606 --> 00:52:55,694 actually first met? 869 00:52:55,781 --> 00:52:56,782 - Yes. 870 00:52:56,912 --> 00:52:58,218 I went on a date with him 871 00:52:58,349 --> 00:53:00,742 before I even knew who he was. 872 00:53:04,790 --> 00:53:07,445 I was working at Santa Monica college 873 00:53:07,532 --> 00:53:09,621 with the person of records and admission. 874 00:53:11,449 --> 00:53:15,409 And there's this tall guy, white shirt, 875 00:53:18,195 --> 00:53:21,502 blue pants, and a gob of keys. 876 00:53:22,851 --> 00:53:25,637 A whole bunch of keys. 877 00:53:25,767 --> 00:53:27,465 - Look, you guys have both said a lot of keys. 878 00:53:27,552 --> 00:53:28,161 Are we talking about five? 879 00:53:28,292 --> 00:53:29,075 Are we talking about- 880 00:53:29,206 --> 00:53:30,555 - Oh no, it's more like 40. 881 00:53:30,642 --> 00:53:31,599 Yeah. 882 00:53:31,730 --> 00:53:33,079 In my track and field bin, 883 00:53:33,210 --> 00:53:34,994 there were six keys just to get into my shoes. 884 00:53:35,124 --> 00:53:37,475 These were my keys. 885 00:53:37,562 --> 00:53:39,564 So I was sitting down, I turned 886 00:53:39,694 --> 00:53:43,350 and I looked to where I thought her height was, 887 00:53:43,481 --> 00:53:45,222 or height might be. 888 00:53:45,309 --> 00:53:46,484 But I was looking around her belt buckle. 889 00:53:47,746 --> 00:53:49,965 So I just kept looking up. 890 00:53:50,096 --> 00:53:51,228 I said, "Hi, how are you?" 891 00:53:53,404 --> 00:53:54,579 - He just kind of impressed me from the beginning 892 00:53:54,709 --> 00:53:56,145 because he made one statement 893 00:53:56,276 --> 00:53:57,103 that will always stick with me. 894 00:53:59,627 --> 00:54:01,890 He would like to take me out 895 00:54:02,021 --> 00:54:05,416 and have someone to pour us a cup of coffee. 896 00:54:07,331 --> 00:54:09,507 What do you mean pour me a cup of coffee? 897 00:54:09,637 --> 00:54:11,248 I make my own coffee and pour it. 898 00:54:11,378 --> 00:54:13,989 But I thought, "Okay, this is getting good here." 899 00:54:17,254 --> 00:54:18,342 There wasn't much dating. 900 00:54:18,472 --> 00:54:20,909 It was more or less a friendship. 901 00:54:20,996 --> 00:54:23,825 We became friends, very close friends. 902 00:54:28,090 --> 00:54:31,006 I feel a responsibility to maintain a legacy 903 00:54:34,619 --> 00:54:39,058 that will be in perpetuity for Tommie. 904 00:54:39,188 --> 00:54:40,277 - Goodness gracious. 905 00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:46,935 - Somehow a fourth generation, 906 00:54:47,066 --> 00:54:49,198 Japanese American artist 907 00:54:49,329 --> 00:54:51,375 became one of the captains of Tommie Smith's legacy team. 908 00:54:53,812 --> 00:54:56,075 I had Tommie on the top of my vision board. 909 00:54:56,205 --> 00:54:57,816 And as it turns out, 910 00:54:57,903 --> 00:54:59,165 Tom and Dolores had a vision board of their own. 911 00:54:59,296 --> 00:55:00,558 And they had a list of things 912 00:55:00,688 --> 00:55:02,255 that they wanted to try to accomplish 913 00:55:02,386 --> 00:55:04,388 in order to preserve Tommie's legacy. 914 00:55:04,518 --> 00:55:05,780 And so without even knowing what those things were 915 00:55:05,911 --> 00:55:07,391 I signed up to help. 916 00:55:07,521 --> 00:55:09,871 And then she told me what they were. 917 00:55:09,958 --> 00:55:12,396 One, they wanted to meet Oprah. 918 00:55:12,526 --> 00:55:14,441 Two, they wanted to be in the Smithsonian. 919 00:55:14,572 --> 00:55:16,095 And three, they wanted to meet the president. 920 00:55:20,969 --> 00:55:22,493 As it turns out, I've actually 921 00:55:22,623 --> 00:55:24,321 done some work with Oprah in the past. 922 00:55:24,408 --> 00:55:26,279 So I saw her shortly after and I said, 923 00:55:26,410 --> 00:55:28,412 "Oprah, I'm working with Tommie Smith." 924 00:55:28,542 --> 00:55:29,848 And she said, "Tommie Smith, Tommie Smith." 925 00:55:29,978 --> 00:55:31,545 She knew exactly who he was. 926 00:55:31,676 --> 00:55:33,721 And I said, he would really, really like to meet you. 927 00:55:33,852 --> 00:55:35,070 And generously, She said, 928 00:55:35,201 --> 00:55:35,984 "Yeah, sure. 929 00:55:36,115 --> 00:55:36,855 I'll meet him tomorrow." 930 00:55:37,899 --> 00:55:39,684 So I called Tommie and said, 931 00:55:39,814 --> 00:55:41,120 "Tommie, I got you meeting with Oprah in the morning. 932 00:55:41,207 --> 00:55:42,904 I got you tickets, head to the airport right now." 933 00:55:43,035 --> 00:55:44,471 And he said to me, 934 00:55:44,602 --> 00:55:46,691 "Son, I'm too old to get on a plane right now. 935 00:55:46,821 --> 00:55:47,866 I can't meet her tomorrow." 936 00:55:47,996 --> 00:55:48,867 And he passed. 937 00:55:50,999 --> 00:55:52,610 Now, I don't know about you. 938 00:55:52,740 --> 00:55:54,220 But if someone asks me to do three impossible things 939 00:55:54,351 --> 00:55:56,309 and you pass on the first one, 940 00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:58,050 I think I'm off the hook for all three. 941 00:55:58,180 --> 00:55:59,747 Not so much, shortly after 942 00:55:59,878 --> 00:56:01,314 Delois called and said, 943 00:56:01,445 --> 00:56:04,361 "Hey, I wanna remind you you're on the clock." 944 00:56:04,491 --> 00:56:05,840 And I said, "What does that mean?" 945 00:56:05,971 --> 00:56:07,668 And she said, 946 00:56:07,755 --> 00:56:09,627 "We wanna meet the president, not the ex-president." 947 00:56:12,194 --> 00:56:14,153 I called every day for weeks. 948 00:56:14,283 --> 00:56:16,460 Got every answer from no to hell no. 949 00:56:16,590 --> 00:56:18,331 Finally they got tired of hearing my voice and said, 950 00:56:18,462 --> 00:56:21,160 "Hey, if you can get to DC on official business, 951 00:56:21,290 --> 00:56:23,118 we'll tell the president you're in town. 952 00:56:23,205 --> 00:56:25,904 And if he wants to see you, maybe he'll invite you in." 953 00:56:26,034 --> 00:56:27,166 They didn't know I'd just met Dr. Lonnie Bunch. 954 00:56:29,734 --> 00:56:31,692 So I reached out to Dr. Lonnie Bunch, 955 00:56:31,823 --> 00:56:34,608 who at that time was still building the national museum 956 00:56:34,739 --> 00:56:36,741 of African American History and Culture. 957 00:56:36,871 --> 00:56:39,874 And most notably didn't have anything yet from Tommie Smith. 958 00:56:40,005 --> 00:56:42,747 - There is no way that we would do a National Museum 959 00:56:42,877 --> 00:56:44,270 of African American History and Culture 960 00:56:44,401 --> 00:56:46,533 without utilizing that image. 961 00:56:46,664 --> 00:56:49,275 - So we flew to DC with a bag full of free stuff 962 00:56:49,406 --> 00:56:51,886 for the Smithsonian and no invitation to the White House. 963 00:57:01,722 --> 00:57:04,551 - When you walk into our exhibition 964 00:57:04,682 --> 00:57:06,510 on history of African American sport, 965 00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:09,556 you realize that this is a way to understand 966 00:57:09,687 --> 00:57:11,210 the meaning of sport, 967 00:57:11,340 --> 00:57:13,473 both in terms of athletic achievement, 968 00:57:13,604 --> 00:57:16,694 but in terms of what it can mean to the broader society. 969 00:57:23,222 --> 00:57:25,224 How do you make sure that America, 970 00:57:25,311 --> 00:57:28,532 that the world understands what's going on? 971 00:57:28,662 --> 00:57:32,057 And how do you light a match to make change? 972 00:57:37,671 --> 00:57:40,892 What these materials that Tommie has given us does, 973 00:57:41,022 --> 00:57:44,069 is allows us to humanize the moment. 974 00:57:44,199 --> 00:57:47,333 These artifacts really make this story 975 00:57:47,464 --> 00:57:49,335 one that people can relate to, 976 00:57:49,466 --> 00:57:52,207 can understand, and can be motivated by. 977 00:58:01,129 --> 00:58:03,218 It became both a personal moment 978 00:58:03,349 --> 00:58:06,091 and a moment that inspired me to recognize 979 00:58:06,178 --> 00:58:08,006 that while I couldn't use sport 980 00:58:08,136 --> 00:58:09,964 as a way to change America, 981 00:58:10,095 --> 00:58:12,314 I ultimately could use history as my tool, 982 00:58:12,401 --> 00:58:14,055 my weapon to change America. 983 00:58:18,538 --> 00:58:19,670 - The Smithsonian was the official business 984 00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:21,672 that got us to DC that allowed them 985 00:58:21,802 --> 00:58:23,804 to let President Obama know that we were in town. 986 00:58:25,676 --> 00:58:26,981 Tommie had never been to the white house 987 00:58:27,068 --> 00:58:29,854 or I invited to the White house, ever. 988 00:58:33,379 --> 00:58:34,423 - A few hours later, the White House called 989 00:58:34,554 --> 00:58:35,555 and invited us over the next day. 990 00:58:38,993 --> 00:58:40,299 When we were walking up, 991 00:58:40,386 --> 00:58:42,127 I asked Tommie if he ever imagined 992 00:58:42,257 --> 00:58:43,563 walking up to the White House. 993 00:58:46,610 --> 00:58:48,873 - I wasn't that nervous. 994 00:58:49,003 --> 00:58:51,266 I was beyond that point. 995 00:58:51,397 --> 00:58:53,486 But soon as I walked through the other side, 996 00:58:53,617 --> 00:58:55,444 it was a new world. 997 00:58:55,575 --> 00:58:56,358 When I saw him, I saw my family. 998 00:58:59,448 --> 00:59:01,494 A black man, very relaxed. 999 00:59:01,581 --> 00:59:02,669 Kind of looked like me. 1000 00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:03,888 He's six feet, two. 1001 00:59:04,018 --> 00:59:06,368 "Hey Tommie, How are you doing?" 1002 00:59:08,283 --> 00:59:09,502 And I said, "Mr president, I'm doing good. 1003 00:59:09,633 --> 00:59:11,156 And yourself?" 1004 00:59:11,286 --> 00:59:13,811 And he kind of looked at me and looked at Delois. 1005 00:59:15,508 --> 00:59:17,379 - President Obama looked at me and he said, 1006 00:59:17,510 --> 00:59:18,772 "But the rose look pretty good." 1007 00:59:24,865 --> 00:59:26,388 - We walked back into his office 1008 00:59:26,519 --> 00:59:29,566 and he leaned and sit on his desk, 1009 00:59:29,696 --> 00:59:31,568 folded alarms and said, "Everything is good." 1010 00:59:34,832 --> 00:59:36,834 - In preparation to meet President Obama, 1011 00:59:36,964 --> 00:59:39,097 I had made a drawing of a relay race 1012 00:59:39,227 --> 00:59:40,707 with Tommie as the third runner, 1013 00:59:40,838 --> 00:59:42,361 handing the Baton to a fourth runner. 1014 00:59:44,537 --> 00:59:47,453 - I wrote an inscription on the back of the picture. 1015 00:59:47,540 --> 00:59:52,066 I wrote,"I can only imagine the length of passage, 1016 00:59:52,197 --> 00:59:56,767 but most importantly, the Baton was not dropped. 1017 00:59:56,854 --> 00:59:59,900 Congrats on a successful number eight." 1018 01:00:02,555 --> 01:00:06,428 - Maybe a week after we had visited with him, 1019 01:00:06,515 --> 01:00:09,257 he spoke the same words about the journey 1020 01:00:11,346 --> 01:00:15,176 that Tommie had written on the back of that painting. 1021 01:00:26,448 --> 01:00:28,668 - Hope in the face of difficulty, 1022 01:00:28,799 --> 01:00:31,932 hope in the face of uncertainty, 1023 01:00:32,063 --> 01:00:34,805 the audacity of hope. 1024 01:00:34,935 --> 01:00:37,808 America, You've vindicated that hope 1025 01:00:37,938 --> 01:00:39,548 these past eight years. 1026 01:00:41,333 --> 01:00:43,552 And I'm ready to pass the baton 1027 01:00:43,683 --> 01:00:46,381 and do my part as a private citizen. 1028 01:00:46,512 --> 01:00:47,774 So this year, in this election- 1029 01:00:47,905 --> 01:00:48,557 - Just hearing him say it, 1030 01:00:48,688 --> 01:00:49,950 it was just so emotional. 1031 01:00:50,037 --> 01:00:52,736 I just remember tearing up. 1032 01:00:55,782 --> 01:00:57,218 - Now, I'm not claiming that 1033 01:00:57,349 --> 01:00:59,090 there's any correlation between Tommie Smith 1034 01:00:59,220 --> 01:01:00,613 writing to President Obama, 1035 01:01:00,744 --> 01:01:02,136 that the baton has not been dropped. 1036 01:01:02,267 --> 01:01:03,790 And president Obama later talking 1037 01:01:03,877 --> 01:01:05,792 about passing the baton, but it did happen. 1038 01:01:14,932 --> 01:01:16,324 I don't know if Tommie realized it, 1039 01:01:16,455 --> 01:01:17,935 but he created a masterful work of performance art. 1040 01:01:20,415 --> 01:01:21,721 The thought that went into his salute 1041 01:01:21,852 --> 01:01:23,331 is very similar to how artists try 1042 01:01:23,418 --> 01:01:26,160 to make meaningful symbols. 1043 01:01:26,900 --> 01:01:27,466 Rarely are they as successful as Tommie was. 1044 01:01:45,571 --> 01:01:46,615 I approach the world with the lens 1045 01:01:46,746 --> 01:01:48,792 that everyone can be an artist. 1046 01:01:48,922 --> 01:01:51,751 And so for me, Tommie was always an artist 1047 01:01:51,838 --> 01:01:53,797 who is in the form of an athlete. 1048 01:01:53,884 --> 01:01:56,016 And that's why his gestures of expression 1049 01:01:56,147 --> 01:02:00,325 and that salute what was a performance piece. 1050 01:02:18,386 --> 01:02:19,953 Yeah, this is part of the series 1051 01:02:20,084 --> 01:02:22,782 where I took out the word angry 1052 01:02:22,913 --> 01:02:26,917 the black athlete, all sequentially. 1053 01:02:27,047 --> 01:02:29,180 And the interesting thing about removing a text, 1054 01:02:29,310 --> 01:02:30,572 because if you read this and it says 1055 01:02:30,703 --> 01:02:33,837 the black athlete, that's one thing. 1056 01:02:33,924 --> 01:02:36,535 If you read it and it says, The angry athlete, 1057 01:02:36,665 --> 01:02:38,580 that's a whole other thing. 1058 01:02:38,711 --> 01:02:42,454 If you're the angry black, that's an even third thing. 1059 01:02:44,238 --> 01:02:45,892 And if you read it and all the texts was gone, 1060 01:02:46,023 --> 01:02:47,764 and it just tells you that's a whole thing. 1061 01:02:49,678 --> 01:02:51,985 That salute created an image so powerful 1062 01:02:52,116 --> 01:02:53,726 that it flattened the man that made it. 1063 01:02:56,337 --> 01:02:58,209 My project with Tommie now 1064 01:02:58,339 --> 01:02:59,950 has been to re-dimensionalize the man 1065 01:03:00,037 --> 01:03:03,257 from the flattened image into a complex character 1066 01:03:03,388 --> 01:03:04,606 that we can all know and learn from. 1067 01:03:14,573 --> 01:03:18,577 19.83 is a full scale recreation of the Olympic podium 1068 01:03:18,707 --> 01:03:20,448 that Tommie Smith, Peter Norman, 1069 01:03:20,579 --> 01:03:23,277 and John Carlos once stood, but plated in gold. 1070 01:03:23,364 --> 01:03:25,584 When it's in a museum and it's lit properly, 1071 01:03:25,714 --> 01:03:28,543 it actually casts reflections on the wall behind it, 1072 01:03:28,674 --> 01:03:31,459 framing the space where the three men once stood. 1073 01:03:31,546 --> 01:03:32,939 It really creates an aura of presence 1074 01:03:33,070 --> 01:03:34,985 in a space that's empty, 1075 01:03:35,115 --> 01:03:37,422 encouraging viewers to stand up and fill their shoes. 1076 01:03:47,388 --> 01:03:49,303 The invisible man is a sculpture 1077 01:03:49,434 --> 01:03:52,916 inspired by how Tommie story was erased from history. 1078 01:03:53,046 --> 01:03:54,656 When you look at the sculpture from behind, 1079 01:03:54,787 --> 01:03:57,007 it appears to be a typical monument to Tommie Smith, 1080 01:03:57,137 --> 01:03:58,486 fist up in the air. 1081 01:03:58,573 --> 01:03:59,792 But when you walk around it, 1082 01:03:59,879 --> 01:04:02,316 since the front face is a mirrored surface, 1083 01:04:02,447 --> 01:04:04,797 it brings in and reflects the world around it 1084 01:04:04,928 --> 01:04:06,843 causing the whole sculpture to vanish in plain sight. 1085 01:04:19,856 --> 01:04:22,902 - When I returned home from Mexico city, 1086 01:04:23,033 --> 01:04:27,254 I personally needed someone on the other side of the bridge 1087 01:04:31,955 --> 01:04:32,956 to hold a hand out. 1088 01:04:39,571 --> 01:04:40,572 - You can stop. 1089 01:04:41,703 --> 01:04:42,748 Open your eyes. 1090 01:04:59,460 --> 01:05:00,635 - Bridge over troubled waters. 1091 01:05:02,159 --> 01:05:06,032 That's what I envisioned when I saw it 1092 01:05:06,163 --> 01:05:09,993 because of those hundreds of arms, my arm. 1093 01:05:11,690 --> 01:05:14,345 A wave like a bridge, like water. 1094 01:05:16,869 --> 01:05:20,525 The arm that caused so much change. 1095 01:05:34,278 --> 01:05:36,715 Bridge was the centerpiece of our exhibition. 1096 01:05:36,845 --> 01:05:38,456 But I had an idea for one last sculpture 1097 01:05:38,586 --> 01:05:40,066 that I wanted to make. 1098 01:05:40,197 --> 01:05:41,676 Something that had never been done before, 1099 01:05:41,807 --> 01:05:43,417 but I needed some outside help to make it. 1100 01:05:47,987 --> 01:05:49,684 Well, thank you so much for taking this call. 1101 01:05:49,771 --> 01:05:51,730 - Yeah, of course. 1102 01:05:51,860 --> 01:05:53,253 - My name is Glenn Kaino, 1103 01:05:53,340 --> 01:05:55,212 and I've been working in collaboration 1104 01:05:55,342 --> 01:05:57,692 with the Olympic champion, Tommie Smith 1105 01:05:57,823 --> 01:06:01,348 for several years now on a bunch of different art projects. 1106 01:06:01,435 --> 01:06:04,090 And on more than one occasion in the studio, 1107 01:06:04,177 --> 01:06:07,093 Tommie has mentioned that he's never been on the cover 1108 01:06:07,224 --> 01:06:09,095 of a Wheaties box. 1109 01:06:09,226 --> 01:06:12,446 So we had a crazy idea that we would call you guys. 1110 01:06:12,577 --> 01:06:13,926 - For sure. 1111 01:06:14,057 --> 01:06:15,493 - And see if we could try to get him 1112 01:06:15,623 --> 01:06:17,843 on the cover of a Wheaties box, really as a surprise. 1113 01:06:17,930 --> 01:06:20,672 - Aww, you gave me goosebumps. 1114 01:06:20,802 --> 01:06:21,847 - All of us got goosebumps when he said it. 1115 01:06:21,978 --> 01:06:23,675 - With certain things at sports culture 1116 01:06:23,805 --> 01:06:25,503 that meant something. 1117 01:06:25,633 --> 01:06:27,461 It was like Wheaties box, cover of Sports Illustrated. 1118 01:06:27,592 --> 01:06:29,376 If you look through the history of the Wheaties box, 1119 01:06:29,507 --> 01:06:32,945 the biggest, most talented, most famous athletes 1120 01:06:33,076 --> 01:06:35,121 have been on this box. 1121 01:06:35,252 --> 01:06:37,819 Wheaties was considered to be really 1122 01:06:37,950 --> 01:06:40,126 a symbol of Americana. 1123 01:06:40,257 --> 01:06:42,215 If you made the cover of this box, 1124 01:06:42,346 --> 01:06:44,739 that means everybody in this country loved you. 1125 01:07:01,930 --> 01:07:02,627 - How are you doing? 1126 01:07:02,714 --> 01:07:03,932 - Hi. 1127 01:07:04,063 --> 01:07:05,586 - James Momon from General Mills. 1128 01:07:05,717 --> 01:07:06,457 Nice to meet you. 1129 01:07:08,111 --> 01:07:08,720 General Mills. - Yeah, General Mills. 1130 01:07:08,807 --> 01:07:09,808 - The makers of Wheaties. 1131 01:07:10,809 --> 01:07:11,940 - Okay. 1132 01:07:12,071 --> 01:07:13,638 - I got something for you here. 1133 01:07:13,768 --> 01:07:14,769 - Me? 1134 01:07:14,900 --> 01:07:17,598 - Yes, you, Mr. Tommie Smith. 1135 01:07:17,729 --> 01:07:19,687 I want to present you with your own Wheaties box today. 1136 01:07:22,516 --> 01:07:25,737 We heard that you have always had a dream 1137 01:07:25,867 --> 01:07:27,695 of being on this box. 1138 01:07:27,782 --> 01:07:30,002 We wanted to make sure that you had the opportunity 1139 01:07:30,089 --> 01:07:33,179 to see your face and likeness on this box. 1140 01:07:33,310 --> 01:07:35,616 Wheaties is the brand of champions, 1141 01:07:35,747 --> 01:07:38,793 and you represent that both on the track as well as off. 1142 01:07:38,924 --> 01:07:40,839 Hopefully this is a small token 1143 01:07:40,926 --> 01:07:42,275 of the legacy that you've led. 1144 01:07:46,410 --> 01:07:47,367 Take a look. 1145 01:07:51,806 --> 01:07:52,894 There you go. 1146 01:07:52,981 --> 01:07:54,374 There you go. 1147 01:07:54,505 --> 01:07:55,071 Congratulations. 1148 01:08:10,564 --> 01:08:11,217 You can turn the back. 1149 01:08:11,348 --> 01:08:12,479 Look at the back. 1150 01:08:13,524 --> 01:08:16,004 Yeah, we've got some copy on the back too. 1151 01:08:18,964 --> 01:08:23,186 - Wow. 1152 01:08:23,316 --> 01:08:25,927 - Thank you, it's an honor, it's an honor. 1153 01:08:26,058 --> 01:08:27,015 - Ah boy, I tell you. 1154 01:08:29,148 --> 01:08:30,932 "He's a track and field athlete 1155 01:08:31,063 --> 01:08:34,675 that held the world record in nine different events 1156 01:08:34,762 --> 01:08:39,071 simultaneously and broke 13 world records in those events." 1157 01:08:39,202 --> 01:08:40,725 This is my box. 1158 01:08:40,855 --> 01:08:41,769 - I just wanna get close- 1159 01:08:41,900 --> 01:08:43,554 - You wanna - 1160 01:08:43,684 --> 01:08:45,121 - Tommie raised his arm during the national Anthem 1161 01:08:45,251 --> 01:08:47,297 in a courageous moment of prayer 1162 01:08:47,427 --> 01:08:50,474 that he intended to be a symbol of power for all people 1163 01:08:50,604 --> 01:08:53,738 to rally around in the struggle for human rights. 1164 01:08:53,868 --> 01:08:55,131 The image of his salute sparked 1165 01:08:55,261 --> 01:08:56,306 great controversy at the time, 1166 01:08:56,436 --> 01:08:58,743 but has since been regarded as one 1167 01:08:58,873 --> 01:09:00,788 of the most iconic and important images 1168 01:09:00,919 --> 01:09:02,050 of the past 100 years. 1169 01:09:02,181 --> 01:09:05,576 Tommie's intention was to unite the world 1170 01:09:05,706 --> 01:09:08,144 to fight together in the struggle for equality 1171 01:09:08,274 --> 01:09:10,015 and his work continues today with his foundation 1172 01:09:10,146 --> 01:09:12,322 that helps young people ensuring 1173 01:09:12,452 --> 01:09:14,324 they have the opportunity to get the education. 1174 01:09:14,454 --> 01:09:16,848 If they want to compete like him 1175 01:09:16,978 --> 01:09:19,067 at the highest levels in sports. 1176 01:09:19,198 --> 01:09:20,286 - Very well put. 1177 01:09:20,417 --> 01:09:21,461 Very wall put. 1178 01:09:25,465 --> 01:09:28,207 - Art can be a sort of portal 1179 01:09:28,338 --> 01:09:30,949 for accessing the stories of others 1180 01:09:31,036 --> 01:09:34,648 and bring to light the voices that are often unheard. 1181 01:09:34,779 --> 01:09:37,042 Or the voices that are often sort of marginalized. 1182 01:09:37,129 --> 01:09:40,698 And something like Tommie's legacy is a legacy 1183 01:09:40,828 --> 01:09:43,353 that is something that's universal. 1184 01:09:43,483 --> 01:09:46,138 It is not something that's just American, right? 1185 01:09:46,269 --> 01:09:48,401 It's something that has so much more 1186 01:09:48,532 --> 01:09:50,316 inspiration for people globally. 1187 01:09:50,403 --> 01:09:51,970 And so the work itself opens up 1188 01:09:52,100 --> 01:09:54,625 that sort of opportunity 1189 01:09:54,755 --> 01:09:56,670 or that possibility to explore that story. 1190 01:10:01,632 --> 01:10:05,331 - For us to open up the exhibition, 1191 01:10:05,462 --> 01:10:08,029 documenting all of our work together 1192 01:10:08,160 --> 01:10:11,685 in Tommie's hometown of Atlanta was very special. 1193 01:10:11,816 --> 01:10:14,601 - Welcome everybody, honored guests, colleagues. 1194 01:10:14,732 --> 01:10:18,649 Let me have the great honor of introducing to you, 1195 01:10:18,779 --> 01:10:21,782 Tommie Smith and Glenn Kaino. 1196 01:10:27,397 --> 01:10:28,224 - One of the things that's 1197 01:10:28,354 --> 01:10:30,269 so great about the project 1198 01:10:30,400 --> 01:10:33,707 is it does make that history dimensional in the present. 1199 01:10:35,753 --> 01:10:38,451 It's what's happening right now. 1200 01:10:38,582 --> 01:10:41,933 We are seeing a whole new cadre of athletes protesting. 1201 01:10:44,370 --> 01:10:45,980 That all goes back to Tommie. 1202 01:10:56,426 --> 01:10:59,037 - When I first saw Colin Kaepernick, 1203 01:10:59,167 --> 01:11:01,692 what he was doing, bowing to his knees, 1204 01:11:01,822 --> 01:11:04,999 that he used that as a platform of peace. 1205 01:11:13,704 --> 01:11:15,923 And when I met the man face to face, 1206 01:11:17,664 --> 01:11:20,276 we talked about what's the idea of sacrifice. 1207 01:11:22,756 --> 01:11:25,368 - There's a lot of consequences that come along with this, 1208 01:11:25,498 --> 01:11:28,501 but this stand wasn't for me. 1209 01:11:28,632 --> 01:11:30,851 This is because I'm seeing things happen 1210 01:11:30,982 --> 01:11:33,158 to people that don't have a voice. 1211 01:11:33,245 --> 01:11:35,639 I can't look in the mirror and see other people 1212 01:11:35,726 --> 01:11:37,336 dying on the street that should have 1213 01:11:37,423 --> 01:11:39,164 the same opportunities that I've had 1214 01:11:39,251 --> 01:11:40,470 and say, "You know what? 1215 01:11:40,600 --> 01:11:41,688 I can live with myself." 1216 01:11:41,819 --> 01:11:43,211 Because I can't, if I just watch. 1217 01:11:47,781 --> 01:11:50,088 - When I decided to kneel alongside Colin Kaepernick, 1218 01:11:50,218 --> 01:11:51,481 it was in support of Colin Kaepernick 1219 01:11:51,611 --> 01:11:54,701 and what he was talking about. 1220 01:11:54,832 --> 01:11:57,138 As an athlete, as someone who has platform 1221 01:11:57,225 --> 01:11:59,489 and has sort of a public image, 1222 01:11:59,619 --> 01:12:02,535 I just feel like this is a way that I can help. 1223 01:12:02,622 --> 01:12:04,842 Maybe I can bring it to people 1224 01:12:04,929 --> 01:12:07,366 who are just never gonna look at Colin Kaepernick, 1225 01:12:07,453 --> 01:12:09,499 are never gonna listen to what he says. 1226 01:12:09,629 --> 01:12:12,023 Or get people to understand and realize 1227 01:12:12,153 --> 01:12:14,939 that it's not just a black and white issue, 1228 01:12:15,026 --> 01:12:17,985 or it's not just, only this community is affected by it 1229 01:12:18,116 --> 01:12:19,030 or not affected by it. 1230 01:12:19,160 --> 01:12:20,901 I think on the whole, 1231 01:12:20,988 --> 01:12:23,077 our society would be much better 1232 01:12:23,208 --> 01:12:25,645 if we actually took the time to reconcile 1233 01:12:25,776 --> 01:12:27,952 what has happened in the past. 1234 01:12:39,485 --> 01:12:40,530 - What we've been doing is looking at the data 1235 01:12:40,660 --> 01:12:42,619 and we know that police somehow 1236 01:12:42,706 --> 01:12:45,099 managed to deescalate, disarm, and not kill 1237 01:12:45,186 --> 01:12:46,144 white people every day. 1238 01:12:47,885 --> 01:12:48,842 So what's gonna happen is we are gonna have 1239 01:12:48,973 --> 01:12:51,584 equal rights and justice in our own country, 1240 01:12:51,671 --> 01:12:54,674 or we will restructure their function and ours. 1241 01:12:57,068 --> 01:12:59,897 Me doing it as I walked off to 1242 01:13:00,027 --> 01:13:01,899 expect or plan to do that, 1243 01:13:02,029 --> 01:13:04,815 but I'm communicating. 1244 01:13:04,945 --> 01:13:06,730 I'm no longer on the mic so I can't communicate verbally. 1245 01:13:06,860 --> 01:13:07,557 I communicate another way, 1246 01:13:07,687 --> 01:13:09,080 which is I love you. 1247 01:13:09,167 --> 01:13:11,125 But to somebody else that might mean 1248 01:13:11,256 --> 01:13:13,911 kill cops or something, cartoonish, 1249 01:13:13,998 --> 01:13:16,348 and ridiculous, and entirely a work of fantasy. 1250 01:13:16,479 --> 01:13:18,002 But both people who experienced that 1251 01:13:18,132 --> 01:13:19,351 believed that to be true. 1252 01:13:19,482 --> 01:13:20,918 So they're seeing an act of aggression 1253 01:13:21,048 --> 01:13:22,354 when it's an act of love. 1254 01:13:22,485 --> 01:13:26,010 They're seeing an act of traitorism 1255 01:13:26,140 --> 01:13:27,620 when he actually means it 1256 01:13:27,707 --> 01:13:29,405 as an act of patriotism. 1257 01:13:29,535 --> 01:13:31,711 Same gesture, two completely different meanings. 1258 01:13:31,842 --> 01:13:36,237 And a gesture was also a real act of faith. 1259 01:13:38,892 --> 01:13:41,286 I think a real faith in the community at large 1260 01:13:41,417 --> 01:13:42,287 is that, "I'm going to jump. 1261 01:13:43,810 --> 01:13:45,769 Really gonna help you catch me." 1262 01:13:45,899 --> 01:13:47,074 What's most important is jumping. 1263 01:13:47,205 --> 01:13:49,120 "I'm going to jump." 1264 01:13:49,250 --> 01:13:51,383 And the failure as a society is when we don't catch them. 1265 01:13:53,733 --> 01:13:56,780 How can we take the best from Tommie Smith 1266 01:13:56,910 --> 01:14:00,566 and not let ourselves neglect the next Tommie smith. 1267 01:14:07,268 --> 01:14:10,141 - Perfect, beautiful. 1268 01:14:12,839 --> 01:14:13,710 Okay so now- 1269 01:14:16,190 --> 01:14:20,630 - I think so often that you have to be creative. 1270 01:14:20,717 --> 01:14:24,329 You have to paint a picture, you have to dramatize it. 1271 01:14:24,416 --> 01:14:25,156 You have to make it real. 1272 01:14:26,766 --> 01:14:29,377 So when you're raising your fist, 1273 01:14:31,684 --> 01:14:35,166 or when you're kneeing, you're protesting. 1274 01:14:38,169 --> 01:14:39,257 You're creating a work of art and people can see it. 1275 01:14:39,387 --> 01:14:40,301 They can feel it. 1276 01:14:42,086 --> 01:14:45,219 We inspire others to follow the drummer. 1277 01:14:48,396 --> 01:14:50,007 - The work that Glenn and Tommie have done 1278 01:14:50,137 --> 01:14:54,707 in taking his fist and turning it into art 1279 01:14:54,838 --> 01:14:58,189 It's bringing us back to a very, very, maybe naive idea. 1280 01:14:58,319 --> 01:15:02,672 Of brotherhood, that we're all in this together. 1281 01:15:04,064 --> 01:15:05,849 Whether you're a Japanese, Black, 1282 01:15:05,936 --> 01:15:08,286 whatever you are, that 1283 01:15:08,416 --> 01:15:11,158 that it doesn't matter who you are, 1284 01:15:11,289 --> 01:15:14,031 it's what you believe and what your values are. 1285 01:15:14,161 --> 01:15:15,989 And the only way to change things 1286 01:15:16,120 --> 01:15:18,818 is to be United through community and brotherhood. 1287 01:15:24,432 --> 01:15:25,999 - A fist can mean so much. 1288 01:15:26,130 --> 01:15:27,131 It can mean power. 1289 01:15:27,261 --> 01:15:29,133 It can mean unity. 1290 01:15:29,263 --> 01:15:32,005 And there are a lot of marginalized groups 1291 01:15:32,136 --> 01:15:34,965 who look at that fist as a beacon of hope. 1292 01:15:39,360 --> 01:15:40,971 - He was speaking for all of us, for all humankind, 1293 01:15:42,407 --> 01:15:44,496 for all people who suffer. 1294 01:15:46,237 --> 01:15:48,674 It's the only way to see what he was doing. 1295 01:15:48,805 --> 01:15:52,330 He was standing up, raising his fist, 1296 01:15:52,417 --> 01:15:56,769 raising his arm to humankind, not just in America, 1297 01:15:59,380 --> 01:16:00,904 but all around the world. 1298 01:16:05,299 --> 01:16:06,431 - Folks always say, "Gosh, I wonder what I would have been 1299 01:16:06,562 --> 01:16:08,172 in the civil rights movement. 1300 01:16:08,302 --> 01:16:09,739 I would have been with Martin Luther King. 1301 01:16:09,869 --> 01:16:10,783 I would have been in that March on Washington." 1302 01:16:10,914 --> 01:16:12,785 Yeah, that looked cool. 1303 01:16:12,916 --> 01:16:14,308 Jim Brown and Muhammad Ali, Bill Russell sitting there. 1304 01:16:14,439 --> 01:16:15,440 "Fuck, yeah. 1305 01:16:15,571 --> 01:16:16,310 If I was a ballplayer back then 1306 01:16:16,441 --> 01:16:18,182 I would have been with them." 1307 01:16:18,269 --> 01:16:19,444 Then is now. 1308 01:16:21,968 --> 01:16:25,189 - I think everybody has a responsibility 1309 01:16:25,319 --> 01:16:26,712 to try to make the world a better place 1310 01:16:26,799 --> 01:16:28,975 in whatever way they can. 1311 01:16:30,586 --> 01:16:32,588 I see the salute as an open door 1312 01:16:32,718 --> 01:16:35,808 for so many people to step outside themselves. 1313 01:16:38,681 --> 01:16:41,422 It's something that I think is living and breathing, 1314 01:16:41,553 --> 01:16:43,381 and hopefully people see it that way 1315 01:16:43,511 --> 01:16:45,426 and take it into their own lives. 1316 01:16:48,995 --> 01:16:51,345 - Tommie has passed the Baton to all of us, 1317 01:16:51,476 --> 01:16:52,738 and now we need to honor that 1318 01:16:52,869 --> 01:16:55,175 and push his message of unity forward. 1319 01:16:55,306 --> 01:16:56,960 He's not only giving us permission 1320 01:16:57,090 --> 01:16:59,789 to stand in salute with him, he's encouraging it. 1321 01:16:59,876 --> 01:17:01,442 It's our time to make that sacrifice. 1322 01:17:01,573 --> 01:17:03,357 It's our time to stand together. 1323 01:17:07,274 --> 01:17:09,146 The invisible man is not so invisible anymore. 1324 01:17:10,887 --> 01:17:12,802 Now our images has filled his frame. 1325 01:17:21,811 --> 01:17:24,814 - For 50 years, people have been putting 1326 01:17:24,944 --> 01:17:29,253 words in my mouth about what that fist meant. 1327 01:17:31,821 --> 01:17:36,390 When I see a group of people, old, young, Black, 1328 01:17:36,521 --> 01:17:39,089 white, different religions, 1329 01:17:39,176 --> 01:17:40,699 putting a fist in the air 1330 01:17:40,830 --> 01:17:43,441 for a positive reasoning forward, 1331 01:17:43,528 --> 01:17:46,139 it makes me proud. Why? 1332 01:17:47,575 --> 01:17:49,534 I know why I did it. 1333 01:17:52,929 --> 01:17:54,365 It meant pride. 1334 01:17:54,495 --> 01:17:55,583 It meant power. 1335 01:17:55,671 --> 01:17:57,455 It means strength. 1336 01:17:57,542 --> 01:18:01,807 It means togetherness or likeness, one as a nation. 1337 01:20:25,559 --> 01:20:28,345 - The first time I saw Tommie's salute 1338 01:20:28,475 --> 01:20:30,173 was the week it happened. 1339 01:20:30,260 --> 01:20:32,001 - I had my father kind of 1340 01:20:32,131 --> 01:20:32,958 narrating and making me understand 1341 01:20:33,089 --> 01:20:34,960 why we're watching it. 1342 01:20:35,047 --> 01:20:35,613 That was now 20 years after it happened, essentially. 1343 01:20:38,572 --> 01:20:39,922 - The first time I saw the image of Tommie, 1344 01:20:40,009 --> 01:20:41,837 I believe I was in high school. 1345 01:20:44,143 --> 01:20:46,189 - I remember my father saying 1346 01:20:46,319 --> 01:20:47,843 it's about time somebody stood up. 1347 01:20:50,236 --> 01:20:53,370 - I feel like it's always been in my memory.